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09:11 mats i know a few that have gone to vn and ph
~ 36 minutes ~
09:48 asciilifeform mats: did they write back?
09:50 mats one teaches boxing and jiujitsu, the other teaches
09:50 mats english
09:50 asciilifeform mats: popular profession for english folx in orcistans afaik
09:50 asciilifeform mats: but, did they find what they were looking for when escaped, tho?
09:51 asciilifeform (presumably not moved concretely 'so could teach english')
09:54 mats i never asked
09:56 mats i imagine they wanted to trade the us ferris wheel for another one, where they have greater social status on account of foreign-ness and good incomes by local standards
09:57 asciilifeform rright but would think even 1 would brag, 'i finally have 3 chix and own uboat!' etc
09:57 mats they don't have kako money
09:57 asciilifeform moving to orcistans w/out money is... interesting proposition
09:59 mats one has a ~1k/mo medical retirement that should direct deposit for his entire natural life
09:59 asciilifeform a then
09:59 asciilifeform iirc shinohai similar
10:00 asciilifeform then makes sense ( try live in usa on that, lol )
10:00 mats not bad for se asia, but not livable as a gentleman in the us
10:01 mats guy got tired of bouncing and smoking weed during the day
10:04 mats makes me wonder how many malingerers are on the dole in the us, who play up mild ptsd symptoms during checkups every couple years
10:04 mats an excellent scam
10:06 asciilifeform mats: recall the old tlp piece re subj
10:06 asciilifeform 'over9000'
10:11 TomServo billymg: I've been following your gentoo guide (thank you). I'm wondering if you've run into this issue of being unable to compile gnupg-1.4.X with the version of GCC you end up with (11.3.0)?
10:11 asciilifeform wb TomServo
10:11 asciilifeform TomServo: don't count on any sane softs being buildable with gcc >= 5
10:11 TomServo Beyond that, I wonder if the systemd wackamole is too much for my peabrain to handle. Running into the tmpfiles issue as well.
10:11 TomServo Greetings asciilifeform
10:13 asciilifeform TomServo: if you want hygiene, yer moar or less stuck w/ 'dulap gentoo' (or signpost's experimental thing)
10:22 TomServo asciilifeform: I'd like as much hygiene one could hope on a 'daily driver' with xorg - mainly no systemd and able to run a node.
10:27 TomServo billymg omits your gcc >= 5 ban because the stage3 comes with a higher version number, but includes the ban on gnupg >= 2.0.22.
10:29 asciilifeform TomServo: fwiw asciilifeform xorgs on dulap-gentoo
10:30 asciilifeform (thing is orig. based off the gentoo asciilifeform had been using daily for decade and half)
10:31 asciilifeform well, from '16 snapshot. but at that time was still edible.
10:33 billymg hey TomServo
10:35 TomServo Ahoy billymg
10:35 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112464 << "bug" on my part, that guide should probably drop the gnupg >= 2.0.22 ban also. as asciilifeform pointed out, only option for truly hygienic is dulap or pentacle
10:35 bitbot Logged on 2022-07-28 10:27:22 TomServo: billymg omits your gcc >= 5 ban because the stage3 comes with a higher version number, but includes the ban on gnupg >= 2.0.22.
10:36 billymg regarding gcc 4.9, i think you can emerge that even on bleeding edge gentoo, you just need to find an ebuild for it and add it to your local repo
10:38 TomServo billymg: Ah, I see - thank you. Still need to wrap my brain around ebuilds.
10:41 billymg however, some of these questions are making me reconsider the point of that particular guide. i meant it more as a beginner's intro into the basics of gentoo / portage config, but the resulting system won't be completely systemd-free by the time you get to installing xorg, etc. (will be free of "systemd" but not other "systemdisms", such as tmpfiles)
10:41 billymg asciilifeform: i'd love to see your recipe for xorg on dulap
10:43 billymg you will be able to build and run trb though, see http://billymg.com/2022/01/building-trb-on-a-2022-vintage-musl-gentoo/
10:44 billymg if on non-musl, it goes more like: spin up dulap/pentacle chroot -> build static bin
10:46 * billymg has part 2 saved as a draft (where installs xorg), and part 3 (setting up v dev environment) as loose notes
10:47 billymg part 3 is probably where i should include steps for adding gcc 4.9
10:50 billymg i also wrote the guide partially for myself (i've used it twice now for setting up non-mission critical gentoos, and i sometimes reference it for commands i forget)
10:59 TomServo billymg: You're statisfied with gnupg 2.0.22 on these builds? I thought > 1.4 had been corrupted somehow. I haven't gone back through the logs to see why.
11:03 billymg TomServo: at some point i just gave up trying to have my daily driver configured to republican standards, and now simply use separate machines for separate tasks
11:06 billymg i still like using gentoo though, to have the ability to build programs with only a minimal set of deps, and set up a graphical environment sans desktop
~ 28 minutes ~
11:35 asciilifeform billymg: sadly asciilifeform never properly wrote recipe for xorg -- will say that it 1) muchly depends on the gpu backend yer using ( asciilifeform -- amd ) ; and 2) consisted of ~month of trial&error, manually emerging package by package with --no-deps and walking the barf tree
11:36 billymg asciilifeform: even includes working browser?
11:37 asciilifeform billymg: 'chromium' (and an ancient ff)
11:37 asciilifeform fwiw closed shitware 'chrome' runs on dulap-gentoo-cum-xorg
11:37 asciilifeform not tried anyffin else (not counting 'lynx' & friends)
~ 49 minutes ~
12:27 signpost TomServo: I rec asciilifeform's dulap. mine's still a baby.
~ 24 minutes ~
12:51 shinohai But it's an *adorable* baby signpost
~ 15 minutes ~
13:06 signpost thing's great, just going to be WIP for a while.
13:12 asciilifeform dulap-gentoo has rather obv. problems (in 'fan mail', 1 fella described it as 'a coprolith', lol) but does work.
~ 3 hours 44 minutes ~
16:57 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-28#1010895 << I turned my Pest station off temporarily, but will start it again soon.
16:57 dulapbot (pest) 2022-07-28 billymg[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-07-27#1112369 << added this yesterday, don't see any packets from you yet though
16:57 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-28#1010897 << that would be great.
16:57 dulapbot (pest) 2022-07-28 billymg[asciilifeform]: i'll try generating some keys for you to peer with bitbot and crawlerbot, might have some luck there (e.g. signpost peered no problem with bitbot, but to this day no luck with this station)
16:59 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112484 << package-management is still an unsolved problem.
16:59 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-28 11:34:54 asciilifeform: billymg: sadly asciilifeform never properly wrote recipe for xorg -- will say that it 1) muchly depends on the gpu backend yer using ( asciilifeform -- amd ) ; and 2) consisted of ~month of trial&error, manually emerging package by package with --no-deps and walking the barf tree
17:02 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-27#1112398 << the SAT seems similar in content to some IQ tests.
17:02 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-27 16:41:34 asciilifeform: for overseas folx -- this re usa 'sat', which features strictly basic arithmetic and english lang
17:04 gregorynyssa in the sense that it is trying to measure general thinking apart from knowledge.
17:14 asciilifeform gregorynyssa: used to be moar olympiady, supposedly.
17:14 asciilifeform today is 'have you got a pulse'
~ 1 hours 29 minutes ~
18:43 vex https://search.savills.com/property-detail/70075ed6-7ec0-4336-b49f-073c7d2e3bd9 no such factory
~ 18 minutes ~
19:01 vex you'd fit a few pick and place lines in there asciilifeform
~ 24 minutes ~
19:26 asciilifeform vex: why?!
19:26 asciilifeform make what? for whom?
19:27 * asciilifeform wonders wtf is rattling around in vex's crankcase
19:29 vex hey, it's a blank canvas.
19:29 asciilifeform for what, vex ??
19:30 asciilifeform go, fill it.
19:30 vex samsung is down the road, mebbe contract for them
19:30 asciilifeform why??
19:30 vex you get 2 years tax free
19:30 vex or build clock radios into spock absorbers for the sa market
19:31 vex samsung might even help you tool up
19:32 asciilifeform vex: can you.. count ? 7e3 x 3.5 == 24.5k$ / mo. for the empty warehouse. add whatever goes in it. does vex know how to make in the black? why aint he there then.
19:32 vex more like 50k
19:32 asciilifeform what didja lose in there, vex ?
19:32 asciilifeform why aintcha building those 'spock assorbers' ?
19:33 vex lol.
19:33 vex never been to south america, but i'm guessing the loopholes are really nooses
19:34 asciilifeform vex: for whom hole, for whom -- noose. see e.g. phf's travel notes.
19:34 vex the office space and workers quarters are part of the deal on the rent there
19:36 asciilifeform vex: talk to the folx lookin' to turn 1e7$ into 1e8. what's this gotta do with asciilifeform ??
~ 17 minutes ~
19:54 vex those numbers sound about right. I was just thinking how you might like vn.
19:55 asciilifeform vex: asciilifeform has 0 reason to think he'd like vn
19:55 asciilifeform hot, sticky mess, rice kingdom
19:55 vex they have those old guys on bicycles who sharpen knives
19:55 asciilifeform they had'em on asciilifeform's home world, what of it
19:55 asciilifeform saw 1 in timis in '17 also. they're eternal.
20:02 vex I've never been much futher east than berlin, I've never seen that part of the world
20:04 asciilifeform vex: so go, see.
~ 17 minutes ~
20:21 vex yeah, I started to feel like I didn't fit in
~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~
21:25 vex http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112523 <don't even need aero to encounter eg. mobbed up serbs
21:25 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-28 19:34:03 asciilifeform: vex: for whom hole, for whom -- noose. see e.g. phf's travel notes.
21:37 * vex wonders if he's ever asked before, whether phf has been down under
21:42 vex any modern day explorer might land and still find it describable as terra nullius
21:54 vex so boring since covid, it's been years since the fishwraps reported a dessicated kraut in the desert.
21:55 vex der landcruiser ist kaput, lemme just walk back to town
22:03 vex hey shinohai, that'd make super pissen pron
22:05 vex beerhall dream sequence with busty biermaidens
22:17 vex helmut wakes up to a freckle face milly alcock lookalike. "you right cunt"?
22:21 vex you can see where this is going. asciilifeform has used zophillia too often
22:23 vex ie as a generalised descriptor for something completely different
22:35 vex as to the question of what's in my crankcase. i run extra bearings.
22:36 vex to account for the imbalance
22:47 vex i think i'd be an asset in your silcone fab operation
22:48 vex in a myriad of ways
22:56 vex firstly, I'm goal driven. money is nice but igaf
22:57 vex secondly, i'm really good at lateral thinking and motivating cunts
22:59 vex thirdly, i've previously invented precesses thate are indispensible
23:01 asciilifeform vex: as soon as you also invent what to manufacture (and plz not 'cunt plugs for samsung') we'll start..
23:02 vex i only really thought samsung to get financing.
23:03 asciilifeform lolk
23:03 vex nubbins would love those kimchi parties
23:09 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112535 << aint heard yet of mobbed up slovenians, for sumreason
23:09 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-28 21:25:27 vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112523 <don't even need aero to encounter eg. mobbed up serbs
23:11 vex me niether. maybe they just keep outta the fishwrap :)
23:11 asciilifeform nfi
23:11 * asciilifeform considering recon expedition to subj (next summer?)
23:12 vex why not sooner?
23:12 asciilifeform wat's the hurry
23:13 vex yolo?
23:15 asciilifeform lang prep 1st
23:16 vex that's jurov's jurisdiction if i'm not mistaken
23:16 asciilifeform nah , he was in slovakia
23:16 vex fuck. cointoss failed
23:17 asciilifeform in slovenia, was kako
23:19 vex where will you go?
23:19 vex in slovenia?
23:20 asciilifeform prolly ljubljana
23:21 vex the train goes everywhere I suppose?
23:24 vex pls to describe the cheeses when you do go
23:28 vex and do take mrs stan to a nudie beach
23:29 vex which is prolly a lake or croatia
23:29 vex or just the park
23:30 vex don't sauna. it's wird
23:34 vex doeth slovenia have mild winters?
23:35 vex kako isn't about to pop in and fill in the blanks. we aren't exactly friends
23:41 vex in fact, considering how there's mention of his wealth, I have a nonzero worry about a price on my head
23:51 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d27gTrPPAyk
23:57 vex nevermind, slovenians have never made it to oz
23:59 asciilifeform vex: did say 'recon', not 'beach' neh
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