09:11 |
mats |
i know a few that have gone to vn and ph |
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09:48 |
asciilifeform |
mats: did they write back? |
09:50 |
mats |
one teaches boxing and jiujitsu, the other teaches |
09:50 |
mats |
english |
09:50 |
asciilifeform |
mats: popular profession for english folx in orcistans afaik |
09:50 |
asciilifeform |
mats: but, did they find what they were looking for when escaped, tho? |
09:51 |
asciilifeform |
(presumably not moved concretely 'so could teach english') |
09:54 |
mats |
i never asked |
09:56 |
mats |
i imagine they wanted to trade the us ferris wheel for another one, where they have greater social status on account of foreign-ness and good incomes by local standards |
09:57 |
asciilifeform |
rright but would think even 1 would brag, 'i finally have 3 chix and own uboat!' etc |
09:57 |
mats |
they don't have kako money |
09:57 |
asciilifeform |
moving to orcistans w/out money is... interesting proposition |
09:59 |
mats |
one has a ~1k/mo medical retirement that should direct deposit for his entire natural life |
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09:59 |
asciilifeform |
a then |
09:59 |
asciilifeform |
iirc shinohai similar |
10:00 |
asciilifeform |
then makes sense ( try live in usa on that, lol ) |
10:00 |
mats |
not bad for se asia, but not livable as a gentleman in the us |
10:01 |
mats |
guy got tired of bouncing and smoking weed during the day |
10:04 |
mats |
makes me wonder how many malingerers are on the dole in the us, who play up mild ptsd symptoms during checkups every couple years |
10:04 |
mats |
an excellent scam |
10:06 |
asciilifeform |
mats: recall the old tlp piece re subj |
10:06 |
asciilifeform |
'over9000' |
10:11 |
TomServo |
billymg: I've been following your gentoo guide (thank you). I'm wondering if you've run into this issue of being unable to compile gnupg-1.4.X with the version of GCC you end up with (11.3.0)? |
10:11 |
asciilifeform |
wb TomServo |
10:11 |
asciilifeform |
TomServo: don't count on any sane softs being buildable with gcc >= 5 |
10:11 |
TomServo |
Beyond that, I wonder if the systemd wackamole is too much for my peabrain to handle. Running into the tmpfiles issue as well. |
10:11 |
TomServo |
Greetings asciilifeform |
10:13 |
asciilifeform |
TomServo: if you want hygiene, yer moar or less stuck w/ 'dulap gentoo' (or signpost's experimental thing) |
10:22 |
TomServo |
asciilifeform: I'd like as much hygiene one could hope on a 'daily driver' with xorg - mainly no systemd and able to run a node. |
10:27 |
TomServo |
billymg omits your gcc >= 5 ban because the stage3 comes with a higher version number, but includes the ban on gnupg >= 2.0.22. |
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10:29 |
asciilifeform |
TomServo: fwiw asciilifeform xorgs on dulap-gentoo |
10:30 |
asciilifeform |
(thing is orig. based off the gentoo asciilifeform had been using daily for decade and half) |
10:31 |
asciilifeform |
well, from '16 snapshot. but at that time was still edible. |
10:33 |
billymg |
hey TomServo |
10:35 |
TomServo |
Ahoy billymg |
10:35 |
billymg |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112464 << "bug" on my part, that guide should probably drop the gnupg >= 2.0.22 ban also. as asciilifeform pointed out, only option for truly hygienic is dulap or pentacle |
10:35 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-07-28 10:27:22 TomServo: billymg omits your gcc >= 5 ban because the stage3 comes with a higher version number, but includes the ban on gnupg >= 2.0.22. |
10:36 |
billymg |
regarding gcc 4.9, i think you can emerge that even on bleeding edge gentoo, you just need to find an ebuild for it and add it to your local repo |
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10:38 |
TomServo |
billymg: Ah, I see - thank you. Still need to wrap my brain around ebuilds. |
10:41 |
billymg |
however, some of these questions are making me reconsider the point of that particular guide. i meant it more as a beginner's intro into the basics of gentoo / portage config, but the resulting system won't be completely systemd-free by the time you get to installing xorg, etc. (will be free of "systemd" but not other "systemdisms", such as tmpfiles) |
10:41 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i'd love to see your recipe for xorg on dulap |
10:43 |
billymg |
you will be able to build and run trb though, see http://billymg.com/2022/01/building-trb-on-a-2022-vintage-musl-gentoo/ |
10:44 |
billymg |
if on non-musl, it goes more like: spin up dulap/pentacle chroot -> build static bin |
10:46 |
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billymg has part 2 saved as a draft (where installs xorg), and part 3 (setting up v dev environment) as loose notes |
10:47 |
billymg |
part 3 is probably where i should include steps for adding gcc 4.9 |
10:50 |
billymg |
i also wrote the guide partially for myself (i've used it twice now for setting up non-mission critical gentoos, and i sometimes reference it for commands i forget) |
10:59 |
TomServo |
billymg: You're statisfied with gnupg 2.0.22 on these builds? I thought > 1.4 had been corrupted somehow. I haven't gone back through the logs to see why. |
11:03 |
billymg |
TomServo: at some point i just gave up trying to have my daily driver configured to republican standards, and now simply use separate machines for separate tasks |
11:06 |
billymg |
i still like using gentoo though, to have the ability to build programs with only a minimal set of deps, and set up a graphical environment sans desktop |
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~ 28 minutes ~ |
11:35 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: sadly asciilifeform never properly wrote recipe for xorg -- will say that it 1) muchly depends on the gpu backend yer using ( asciilifeform -- amd ) ; and 2) consisted of ~month of trial&error, manually emerging package by package with --no-deps and walking the barf tree |
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11:36 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: even includes working browser? |
11:37 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: 'chromium' (and an ancient ff) |
11:37 |
asciilifeform |
fwiw closed shitware 'chrome' runs on dulap-gentoo-cum-xorg |
11:37 |
asciilifeform |
not tried anyffin else (not counting 'lynx' & friends) |
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~ 49 minutes ~ |
12:27 |
signpost |
TomServo: I rec asciilifeform's dulap. mine's still a baby. |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
12:51 |
shinohai |
But it's an *adorable* baby signpost |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
13:06 |
signpost |
thing's great, just going to be WIP for a while. |
13:12 |
asciilifeform |
dulap-gentoo has rather obv. problems (in 'fan mail', 1 fella described it as 'a coprolith', lol) but does work. |
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~ 3 hours 44 minutes ~ |
16:57 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-28#1010895 << I turned my Pest station off temporarily, but will start it again soon. |
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16:57 |
dulapbot |
(pest) 2022-07-28 billymg[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-07-27#1112369 << added this yesterday, don't see any packets from you yet though |
16:57 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-28#1010897 << that would be great. |
16:57 |
dulapbot |
(pest) 2022-07-28 billymg[asciilifeform]: i'll try generating some keys for you to peer with bitbot and crawlerbot, might have some luck there (e.g. signpost peered no problem with bitbot, but to this day no luck with this station) |
16:59 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112484 << package-management is still an unsolved problem. |
16:59 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-07-28 11:34:54 asciilifeform: billymg: sadly asciilifeform never properly wrote recipe for xorg -- will say that it 1) muchly depends on the gpu backend yer using ( asciilifeform -- amd ) ; and 2) consisted of ~month of trial&error, manually emerging package by package with --no-deps and walking the barf tree |
17:02 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-27#1112398 << the SAT seems similar in content to some IQ tests. |
17:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-07-27 16:41:34 asciilifeform: for overseas folx -- this re usa 'sat', which features strictly basic arithmetic and english lang |
17:04 |
gregorynyssa |
in the sense that it is trying to measure general thinking apart from knowledge. |
17:14 |
asciilifeform |
gregorynyssa: used to be moar olympiady, supposedly. |
17:14 |
asciilifeform |
today is 'have you got a pulse' |
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18:43 |
vex |
https://search.savills.com/property-detail/70075ed6-7ec0-4336-b49f-073c7d2e3bd9 no such factory |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
19:01 |
vex |
you'd fit a few pick and place lines in there asciilifeform |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
19:26 |
asciilifeform |
vex: why?! |
19:26 |
asciilifeform |
make what? for whom? |
19:27 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders wtf is rattling around in vex's crankcase |
19:29 |
vex |
hey, it's a blank canvas. |
19:29 |
asciilifeform |
for what, vex ?? |
19:30 |
asciilifeform |
go, fill it. |
19:30 |
vex |
samsung is down the road, mebbe contract for them |
19:30 |
asciilifeform |
why?? |
19:30 |
vex |
you get 2 years tax free |
19:30 |
vex |
or build clock radios into spock absorbers for the sa market |
19:31 |
vex |
samsung might even help you tool up |
19:32 |
asciilifeform |
vex: can you.. count ? 7e3 x 3.5 == 24.5k$ / mo. for the empty warehouse. add whatever goes in it. does vex know how to make in the black? why aint he there then. |
19:32 |
vex |
more like 50k |
19:32 |
asciilifeform |
what didja lose in there, vex ? |
19:32 |
asciilifeform |
why aintcha building those 'spock assorbers' ? |
19:33 |
vex |
lol. |
19:33 |
vex |
never been to south america, but i'm guessing the loopholes are really nooses |
19:34 |
asciilifeform |
vex: for whom hole, for whom -- noose. see e.g. phf's travel notes. |
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19:34 |
vex |
the office space and workers quarters are part of the deal on the rent there |
19:36 |
asciilifeform |
vex: talk to the folx lookin' to turn 1e7$ into 1e8. what's this gotta do with asciilifeform ?? |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
19:54 |
vex |
those numbers sound about right. I was just thinking how you might like vn. |
19:55 |
asciilifeform |
vex: asciilifeform has 0 reason to think he'd like vn |
19:55 |
asciilifeform |
hot, sticky mess, rice kingdom |
19:55 |
vex |
they have those old guys on bicycles who sharpen knives |
19:55 |
asciilifeform |
they had'em on asciilifeform's home world, what of it |
19:55 |
asciilifeform |
saw 1 in timis in '17 also. they're eternal. |
20:02 |
vex |
I've never been much futher east than berlin, I've never seen that part of the world |
20:04 |
asciilifeform |
vex: so go, see. |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
20:21 |
vex |
yeah, I started to feel like I didn't fit in |
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~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~ |
21:25 |
vex |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112523 <don't even need aero to encounter eg. mobbed up serbs |
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21:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-07-28 19:34:03 asciilifeform: vex: for whom hole, for whom -- noose. see e.g. phf's travel notes. |
21:37 |
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vex wonders if he's ever asked before, whether phf has been down under |
21:42 |
vex |
any modern day explorer might land and still find it describable as terra nullius |
21:54 |
vex |
so boring since covid, it's been years since the fishwraps reported a dessicated kraut in the desert. |
21:55 |
vex |
der landcruiser ist kaput, lemme just walk back to town |
22:03 |
vex |
hey shinohai, that'd make super pissen pron |
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22:05 |
vex |
beerhall dream sequence with busty biermaidens |
22:17 |
vex |
helmut wakes up to a freckle face milly alcock lookalike. "you right cunt"? |
22:21 |
vex |
you can see where this is going. asciilifeform has used zophillia too often |
22:23 |
vex |
ie as a generalised descriptor for something completely different |
22:35 |
vex |
as to the question of what's in my crankcase. i run extra bearings. |
22:36 |
vex |
to account for the imbalance |
22:47 |
vex |
i think i'd be an asset in your silcone fab operation |
22:48 |
vex |
in a myriad of ways |
22:56 |
vex |
firstly, I'm goal driven. money is nice but igaf |
22:57 |
vex |
secondly, i'm really good at lateral thinking and motivating cunts |
22:59 |
vex |
thirdly, i've previously invented precesses thate are indispensible |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
vex: as soon as you also invent what to manufacture (and plz not 'cunt plugs for samsung') we'll start.. |
23:02 |
vex |
i only really thought samsung to get financing. |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
lolk |
23:03 |
vex |
nubbins would love those kimchi parties |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112535 << aint heard yet of mobbed up slovenians, for sumreason |
23:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-07-28 21:25:27 vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112523 <don't even need aero to encounter eg. mobbed up serbs |
23:11 |
vex |
me niether. maybe they just keep outta the fishwrap :) |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
nfi |
23:11 |
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asciilifeform considering recon expedition to subj (next summer?) |
23:12 |
vex |
why not sooner? |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
wat's the hurry |
23:13 |
vex |
yolo? |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
lang prep 1st |
23:16 |
vex |
that's jurov's jurisdiction if i'm not mistaken |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
nah , he was in slovakia |
23:16 |
vex |
fuck. cointoss failed |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
in slovenia, was kako |
23:19 |
vex |
where will you go? |
23:19 |
vex |
in slovenia? |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
prolly ljubljana |
23:21 |
vex |
the train goes everywhere I suppose? |
23:24 |
vex |
pls to describe the cheeses when you do go |
23:28 |
vex |
and do take mrs stan to a nudie beach |
23:29 |
vex |
which is prolly a lake or croatia |
23:29 |
vex |
or just the park |
23:30 |
vex |
don't sauna. it's wird |
23:34 |
vex |
doeth slovenia have mild winters? |
23:35 |
vex |
kako isn't about to pop in and fill in the blanks. we aren't exactly friends |
23:41 |
vex |
in fact, considering how there's mention of his wealth, I have a nonzero worry about a price on my head |
23:51 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d27gTrPPAyk |
23:57 |
vex |
nevermind, slovenians have never made it to oz |
23:59 |
asciilifeform |
vex: did say 'recon', not 'beach' neh |