| 00:07 |
verisimilitude |
No, but they've a history of being annoying. |
| 00:12 |
verisimilitude |
An example I've used before, although not one which has actually happened, would be signalling an error if a symbol named NIGGER were ever created. |
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| 00:13 |
verisimilitude |
Signalling an error for the PRC timezone is close. |
| 00:13 |
signpost |
letting peasants stop being religious was a catastrophe. |
| 00:14 |
verisimilitude |
Why is worshipping one Jewish god better than worshipping a different Jewish god? |
| 00:15 |
signpost |
what replaced either was worshipping the state, which is something the critters have been told responds to their feelings. |
| 00:15 |
verisimilitude |
At least the state exists. |
| 00:16 |
signpost |
it does? |
| 00:16 |
signpost |
at any rate, that comment was based upon the interpretation where they put it in for "political" reasons in the 90s |
| 00:17 |
signpost |
another is they got some menorah.mil money at some point. |
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| 00:32 |
billymg |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098755 << shouldn't have had to mess with this anyway, it's off / commented by default (at least that's what i'm seeing, and i didn't have to edit this conf file at all on my recent build without linux-firmware) |
| 00:32 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 17:53:16 signpost: there's a flag called FIRMWARE in there. |
| 00:35 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-12-21#1587491 :D |
| 00:35 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-12-21 asciilifeform: 'MINE -- WORX!111' |
| 00:36 |
billymg |
i got all the pieces of backlinks fully working yesterday (backfill script, bot component, reader component), hopefully have it live later this week |
| 00:39 |
billymg |
signpost: or in /g/ terms: "works on my machine" |
| 00:44 |
billymg |
speaking of forbidden words, looking forward to people testing the limits of elon musk presents twitter and realizing nothing has really changed |
| 00:44 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 00:12:42 verisimilitude: An example I've used before, although not one which has actually happened, would be signalling an error if a symbol named NIGGER were ever created. |
| 00:47 |
billymg |
has anyone else also noticed the shift in media political coverage away from covering so-called "actual" politicians to covering corporate leaders as though they were politicians? |
| 00:47 |
shinohai |
As long as twitter remains good trolling grounds, I don't care. |
| 00:47 |
billymg |
this twitter thing being a good example |
| 00:48 |
signpost |
billymg: yes, or for that matter only certain corporate leaders. worth considering why. |
| 00:48 |
billymg |
and just like broken campaign promises, headlines will read "bezos and tim cook block elon's latest move to allow saying faggot on the platform" |
| 00:49 |
billymg |
"musk slam's bezos saying he will appeal the decision" |
| 00:49 |
billymg |
etc. etc. |
| 00:51 |
billymg |
signpost: my thinking is it helps transition people to the new reality. the corporate leaders have been in control for a while but now plebs get to fight and cheer for their favorite team like in red vs. blue |
| 00:53 |
billymg |
or perhaps the old stuff just wasn't selling anymore |
| 00:54 |
signpost |
dunno that any of it is centrally coordinated. emanates from the values of the culture. |
| 00:55 |
billymg |
not saying it's centrally coordinated, i like asciilifeform's way of putting it, they're playing jazz |
| 00:56 |
verisimilitude |
I don't give a fuck about Twitter. |
| 00:57 |
signpost |
the way I see it, a guy just dropped eleventy billions to keep his meme fanclub. |
| 01:03 |
billymg |
i think it's part of a transition to a new red vs. blue, media coverage of biden vs. whoever will go down while coverage of woke ceos vs. based ceos goes up |
| 01:05 |
billymg |
last election made it obvious votes no longer matter, even superficially, so naturally people will lose interest in that game and need a new struggle to sink energy into |
| 01:17 |
verisimilitude |
Oh, thehorrors. |
| 01:17 |
thehorrors |
Hello |
| 01:18 |
thehorrors |
I finally found it |
| 01:20 |
thehorrors |
I shall like to find out how to become the citizen of the glorious Republic, but it takes time of course as all good things do |
| 01:20 |
verisimilitude |
Come back a few years ago. |
| 01:21 |
verisimilitude |
As far as I know, TMSR no longer exists. |
| 01:21 |
verisimilitude |
Someone here may disagree. |
| 01:21 |
thehorrors |
But the infrastructure is still all there? What happened? |
| 01:22 |
thehorrors |
You are all here, is that not enough? |
| 01:25 |
billymg |
verisimilitude, thehorrors: can't speak for everyone but i agree with signpost on that matter |
| 01:25 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-03-21 18:46:20 signpost: still calls himself ideologically republican. |
| 01:25 |
signpost |
don't be a joiner, thehorrors. |
| 01:25 |
signpost |
who are you, and what brings you by? |
| 01:27 |
thehorrors |
Well, I won't, signpost. Don't like to bother people for no good reason. I just wanted to find the place (and it took some effort) and say hi for now. |
| 01:29 |
thehorrors |
It would be extremely sad for me to find ruin as verisimilitude suggests. |
| 01:30 |
signpost |
are you what, afraid to answer what'd be normal conversation away from your keyboard? |
| 01:34 |
thehorrors |
Sorry, I don't understand |
| 01:35 |
signpost |
I asked you who you are, and why you came. |
| 01:36 |
thehorrors |
I am just a guy who is trying to find out how to participate in the only ecosystem I've found tolerable so far. |
| 01:37 |
signpost |
this is a really cowardly answer, you realize. |
| 01:38 |
thehorrors |
Is that not good enough? You can't expect me to disclose all personal details? No I don't realize |
| 01:38 |
signpost |
yes, the idea that I'd want to interact with someone who can say nothing of himself when introducing himself is preposterous. |
| 01:39 |
signpost |
he's either coyly juvenile, deranged, or dissembling. |
| 01:41 |
signpost |
supposing you're for some reason averse to saying what your mother said when you popped out, who cares about that. |
| 01:41 |
signpost |
that's not typically the most interesting thing about a person, and certain other weird creatures here have the same preference. |
| 01:42 |
thehorrors |
There might be a misunderstanding. I appreciate that. |
| 01:42 |
thehorrors |
Perhaps I am not used to real time communication like this, please forgive me |
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| 01:43 |
thehorrors |
I am an engineer, I am trying to set up a blog and make a few things. I am interested in bitcoin among other things. |
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| 01:44 |
shinohai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098834 << Do you normally communicate via carrier pigeon? |
| 01:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 21:41:23 thehorrors: Perhaps I am not used to real time communication like this, please forgive me |
| 01:44 |
thehorrors |
One thing I am trying to figure out is a good way to communicate with the wider world. I've looked into the billymg's wordpress |
| 01:45 |
signpost |
cool, happened upon his blog, thus read about tmsr? |
| 01:45 |
verisimilitude |
I'm the other weird creature, thehorrors. |
| 01:46 |
verisimilitude |
I may have misread. |
| 01:46 |
shinohai |
$ticker btc usd |
| 01:46 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $40546.5 |
| 01:46 |
signpost |
sure, and also an example of the nom de plume saying plenty re: "who dis" |
| 01:46 |
thehorrors |
yep, and loper-os and others. One thing still not sure about is Pizzaro - does it still exist? |
| 01:49 |
verisimilitude |
Was mine included in that set, thehorrors? |
| 01:49 |
signpost |
thehorrors: not under that name, but asciilifeform still runs an ISP. that is also his blog, loper-os. |
| 01:51 |
signpost |
anyway thehorrors, was giving you a taste of tmsr culture like you asked! glad you elaborated, and welcome. |
| 01:51 |
* |
signpost bbl |
| 01:55 |
thehorrors |
Oh thank you. Sorry got distrated. No, I understand the immune system |
| 01:55 |
thehorrors |
I think |
| 01:56 |
thehorrors |
I don't have anything in particular to show for now, because it is sort of a chicken and egg problem |
| 01:57 |
thehorrors |
How do you put something out there if you don't know a good way to do it. But how do you find a good way to do it if no one knows who the hell you are |
| 01:58 |
thehorrors |
shinohai: yes, pretty much the pigeons. Never used the IRC you see |
| 01:59 |
verisimilitude |
I just started writing is how I did it. |
| 01:59 |
verisimilitude |
I write for myself before all others. |
| 02:01 |
thehorrors |
verisimilitude, I am not sure I read yours - very likely, what is it called? Yes, I understand, write it and they will read |
| 02:02 |
verisimilitude |
http://verisimilitudes.net |
| 02:02 |
verisimilitude |
Write it and they will ignore it. |
| 02:02 |
verisimilitude |
Write anyway. |
| 02:04 |
shinohai |
Well there you go thehorrors .... you can make first blog post on the technicalities of RFC 2549. |
| 02:05 |
thehorrors |
verisimilitude - I think I missed yours, I'll be honest. But definitely saw your comments here and ther |
| 02:06 |
verisimilitude |
Oh; well read mine, then. |
| 02:07 |
thehorrors |
shinohai: what to write is not exactly the problem, the problem is I don't know if it is safe to write. Maybe I am too scared of nothing |
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| 02:07 |
verisimilitude |
Here's a good start. |
| 02:07 |
verisimilitude |
I'm likely more paranoid, thehorrors, and I still write. |
| 02:08 |
thehorrors |
so you suggest just fuck it? I don't know man. Maybe you are right |
| 02:08 |
verisimilitude |
Nobody wants to read from some wuss. |
| 02:08 |
thehorrors |
I mean asciilifeform writes all kinds of stuff openly |
| 02:09 |
thehorrors |
That's true too |
| 02:09 |
verisimilitude |
Hear that, thehorrors has accused asciilifeform of being a wuss. |
| 02:09 |
thehorrors |
what, no] |
| 02:09 |
verisimilitude |
I'm joking. |
| 02:12 |
thehorrors |
heh, programming poetry, huh? |
| 02:13 |
thehorrors |
Yeah, I am also looking into Ada. |
| 02:14 |
verisimilitude |
It's in the same vein as this. |
| 02:14 |
thehorrors |
One thing I don't understand: a few people seem to be keen on lisp, yet I haven't seen a lisp project in the sphere yet - it's either Ada or... python? |
| 02:15 |
thehorrors |
there are a copule of C programs I've seen for pest I think - but no lisp. |
| 02:16 |
thehorrors |
And the TRB seems to be kept in C++? Is there any interest in lisp/ada bitcoin implementation? Would it make sense? |
| 02:16 |
verisimilitude |
Pest needs to be fast, and it's very rigid. |
| 02:16 |
verisimilitude |
Lisp only gets in the way for such programs. |
| 02:16 |
thehorrors |
Is SBCL not fast enough? |
| 02:16 |
thehorrors |
Also, wouldn't pest benefit from gc? |
| 02:17 |
thehorrors |
I don't know about ada performance yet - just started learning it. Seems a little slow? |
| 02:18 |
verisimilitude |
No. |
| 02:20 |
billymg |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1098864 << i thought like this when i first joined the chan and put up my blog. it's all in your head, no one's going to "cancel" you |
| 02:20 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 02:07:03 thehorrors: shinohai: what to write is not exactly the problem, the problem is I don't know if it is safe to write. Maybe I am too scared of nothing |
| 02:20 |
billymg |
if that's what you meant by whether it's "safe" |
| 02:21 |
thehorrors |
billymg: yeah, I am slowly moving towards accepting that. But not exactly cancelling is my concern |
| 02:21 |
billymg |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1098835 << what kind of engineer? |
| 02:21 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 01:43:46 thehorrors: I am an engineer, I am trying to set up a blog and make a few things. I am interested in bitcoin among other things. |
| 02:22 |
thehorrors |
You see I am interested in cryptography among other things (to further elaborate on signpost's demands for more information) |
| 02:24 |
thehorrors |
Am interested in application of cryptocurrencies - as a medium of exchange. I am quite unhappy with their current state to be honest as well |
| 02:25 |
thehorrors |
Anyways, I have a lot of thoughts on this topic that should probably go into the blog. And no, I am not interested in markets for "illegal" products |
| 02:26 |
shinohai |
The only medium of exchange "cryptocurrencies" serve is to be converted to Bitcoin proper. |
| 02:26 |
billymg |
most folks here only interested in bitcoin, and this variety specifically |
| 02:26 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2021-11-19 16:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable. |
| 02:26 |
thehorrors |
billymg: I am sort of a computer/embedded/software weird mix |
| 02:27 |
thehorrors |
Yeah well you see, I don't think bitcoin and "getting paid" are exactly compatible. I am with him most of the way here |
| 02:28 |
thehorrors |
Pretty much one of my biggest interests is what you quote |
| 02:29 |
billymg |
thehorrors: re: cryptography, you've probably seen asciilifeform's ffa then. if not, sounds like it might be of interest to you |
| 02:29 |
billymg |
thehorrors: why not 'getting paid' in btc? |
| 02:29 |
billymg |
(or paying with btc, similarly) |
| 02:29 |
thehorrors |
It's a big topic, but I don't think bitcoin in its current form is that. Yea, FFA is partially why I started Ada |
| 02:31 |
thehorrors |
I don't think public ledger is any good, for starters. |
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| 02:32 |
thehorrors |
I don't think bitcoin is currency at all actually (or should be) |
| 02:34 |
billymg |
and yet some people and businesses accept it as payment |
| 02:37 |
billymg |
thehorrors: you can search the logs re: tradeoffs of a public ledger but iirc discussions usually conclude with something like "not ideal, but only way to prove no one is inflating the supply" |
| 02:37 |
thehorrors |
I know. But is not more of a commodity? What do you think of its deflationary property? I have doubts. I'll check the logs too |
| 02:38 |
thehorrors |
I have a bad feeling that it will deflate itself to the point of heat death though |
| 02:38 |
thehorrors |
As for the ledger - has Monero been considered (feel free to banish me for blasphemy) |
| 02:39 |
billymg |
thehorrors: no one cares how many zeros to the right of the decimal point there are, if it eventually comes to that because too many people accidentally all their coins |
| 02:40 |
thehorrors |
I also didn't like the whitepaper emphasizing that the PoW must be completely useless - intentionally |
| 02:40 |
thehorrors |
(maybe it was in bmoney - sorry) |
| 02:40 |
thehorrors |
whitepaper's reference anyways |
| 02:41 |
billymg |
thehorrors: the monero creator himself used to hang out here |
| 02:41 |
thehorrors |
which makes it not even a commodity in a real way, but definitionally a fiat |
| 02:42 |
billymg |
more recently tied up with other business |
| 02:42 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2021-08-03 02:13:08 asciilifeform: ok, fluffypony's extradition judgement (txt) is pure gold. rec'd read for erryone tuned in. |
| 02:42 |
thehorrors |
btw, I am just trying to have a discussion, not my intention to attack btc |
| 02:43 |
thehorrors |
I am just trying to really understand its nature and I am skeptical |
| 02:43 |
verisimilitude |
It's fine; I don't think Bitcoin cares. |
| 02:43 |
billymg |
^ |
| 02:44 |
thehorrors |
interesting, I didn't know about fluffypony |
| 02:45 |
verisimilitude |
It figures he would end up being abused. |
| 02:45 |
thehorrors |
But I think Monero is a good step in the right direction with the concealed ledger is all |
| 02:48 |
thehorrors |
anyways, I should stop spamming here and get to goddamn writing finally. But that's the problem isn't it? With cryptocurrency it is very easy to find your balls in a vice |
| 02:49 |
thehorrors |
Because blockchain is approaching the holy grail, and mortals cannot have that |
| 02:49 |
verisimilitude |
Remember to think before writing. |
| 02:50 |
thehorrors |
Hahah, what I am getting ranty huh? |
| 02:50 |
verisimilitude |
Just write; my first article was a masturbation joke. |
| 02:51 |
thehorrors |
I would really like if you pointed out mistakes - one reason I am looking for places like this |
| 02:51 |
verisimilitude |
Sure. |
| 02:54 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098864 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-03-02#1032633 |
| 02:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 22:05:39 thehorrors: shinohai: what to write is not exactly the problem, the problem is I don't know if it is safe to write. Maybe I am too scared of nothing |
| 02:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-03-02 11:49:40 asciilifeform: trinque: re p2p -- asciilifeform will be the 1st to agree, but with caveat : the most effective policeman atm is in ~people's heads~. i.e. folx aint even using the ~old~ p2p nets for anyffing interesting, afaik ; |
| 02:54 |
asciilifeform |
welcome to #a, thehorrors . i'ma assume you know of the logs. |
| 02:55 |
thehorrors |
hi asciilifeform, thank you |
| 02:55 |
* |
asciilifeform hands fulla heathen biz, will let other folx grill the n00b tonight |
| 02:56 |
asciilifeform |
!!key thehorrors |
| 02:56 |
deedbot |
Not registered. |
| 02:56 |
asciilifeform |
^ rec to fix. |
| 02:56 |
asciilifeform |
!!help |
| 02:56 |
deedbot |
http://deedbot.org/help.html |
| 02:56 |
thehorrors |
I know about the logs - do you guys use any client to read them? |
| 02:56 |
asciilifeform |
^ instructions |
| 02:56 |
thehorrors |
yep, I'll get on that |
| 02:56 |
verisimilitude |
He's already well-done, asciilifeform. |
| 02:56 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098905 << iirc monero had a pretty nasty new coin generation bug, arguably obscured by lack of this. |
| 02:56 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 22:29:48 thehorrors: I don't think public ledger is any good, for starters. |
| 02:56 |
asciilifeform |
thehorrors: log pg loads on standard www browsers, incl. e.g. 'lynx' |
| 02:57 |
asciilifeform |
thehorrors: paste the link behind a line (speaker's handle) when answering, as seen above. |
| 02:57 |
asciilifeform |
notation for links also illustrated above -- [link][caption] . |
| 02:57 |
signpost |
assuming this is done without bugs, then one's asking a philosophical question regarding accounts being a public or private matter. |
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| 02:57 |
* |
signpost holds that this being public makes for a better society. |
| 02:58 |
thehorrors |
not following the information about the link |
| 02:58 |
signpost |
business done in the sight of all tends to stay more honest. |
| 02:59 |
signpost |
thehorrors: when you're replying to something, pop the link in here and make direct reference to it. |
| 02:59 |
mats |
anyone have a link to hanbot's short story about the kid with the public key? |
| 02:59 |
mats |
can't remember any relevant keywords or find it on her blog |
| 03:00 |
signpost |
above I said that the worry that speaking freely is unsafe is a policeman in your head. |
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| 03:00 |
asciilifeform |
mats: that one ? |
| 03:01 |
mats |
not that one |
| 03:03 |
mats |
the kid had a predictable passphrase cracked, iirc |
| 03:07 |
mats |
ah, it is that one |
| 03:09 |
thehorrors |
I don't know guys, my client doesn't let me get the link from the nick |
| 03:10 |
jonsykkel |
on the website |
| 03:10 |
asciilifeform |
thehorrors: click the nick, url navigated to is the link |
| 03:10 |
asciilifeform |
thehorrors: yes, on logs www, not from irc client |
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| 03:10 |
thehorrors |
oh duh, I see what you mean now |
| 03:10 |
thehorrors |
got it |
| 03:10 |
thehorrors |
to reply, insert the link from the log |
| 03:11 |
thehorrors |
like this |
| 03:11 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 23:08:54 asciilifeform: thehorrors: yes, on logs www, not from irc client |
| 03:11 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 03:12 |
thehorrors |
it shall be done |
| 03:17 |
thehorrors |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098954 << I appreciate that, but there is a lot to unpack in that philosophy. I think it's an (1) issue of scale and (2) issue of environment |
| 03:17 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 22:56:22 signpost: assuming this is done without bugs, then one's asking a philosophical question regarding accounts being a public or private matter. |
| 03:18 |
thehorrors |
for example, public ledger makes for better society in an environment absent of violent "regulators" |
| 03:18 |
thehorrors |
until then one might argue that it makes for worse society, because it is easier to deal with dissidents |
| 03:19 |
thehorrors |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098961 << I am slowly working on internalizing that |
| 03:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 22:59:06 signpost: above I said that the worry that speaking freely is unsafe is a policeman in your head. |
| 03:25 |
signpost |
we probably need to separate whether we're talking about the state of the currency system, vs attribution of mutations of that state. |
| 03:26 |
signpost |
one can do pretty well concealing the latter on bitcoin if they want. |
| 03:26 |
signpost |
former's necessary to trustlessly confirm that the system works as claimed. |
| 03:27 |
thehorrors |
Concealing - not according to the research I've seen around. It seems like public ledger is just too convenient for analysis |
| 03:28 |
thehorrors |
the trustless system - I agree somewhat, but I have doubts. I am curious about homomorphic encryption |
| 03:29 |
signpost |
having doubts is a good reason to have as much of the system inspectable as possible imho. |
| 03:30 |
thehorrors |
that does not contradict what I am saying though - can it be inspectable in its encrypted state? |
| 03:32 |
thehorrors |
there is also an issue of "cash", what do you think about that? should bitcoin be "digital cash"? Cash is completely opaque to everyone |
| 03:32 |
signpost |
whether it can, I don't want to live in a world where the power structure is covert. I already have one of those. |
| 03:33 |
thehorrors |
that's a question of how the power structure is formed. That's another topic altogether. For example, one might argue that bitcoin *is* a covert power structure, is it not? |
| 03:34 |
thehorrors |
how *a* power structure is formed, rather |
| 03:34 |
signpost |
that contradicts your complaint that the ledger is public. |
| 03:35 |
thehorrors |
no, not really. Again - it's probably a bigger topic for a different time/medium. These are separate issues what I am trying to say in a nutshell. |
| 03:37 |
signpost |
your resistance to direct communication is annoying. we're not going to be doing the thing where we skitter sideways across categories. |
| 03:37 |
signpost |
the medium here has supported conversations on such topics for years, including this one. it's no barrier. |
| 03:38 |
thehorrors |
Okay, sounds good. I am not trying to be indirect. Let me get into this then |
| 03:38 |
signpost |
right now bitcoin is a form of digital property which appears to be holding value. whether it's a power structure, or has any measurable effect on the totalitarian state is a hypothetical at the moment. |
| 03:38 |
signpost |
please do. |
| 03:39 |
signpost |
I also consider bitcoin itself to be experimental, and as such it's necessary to treat it with utmost suspicion. we're a blip in history of the way into the experiment. |
| 03:41 |
signpost |
it might very well be that a public ledger becomes *more* totalitarian than the bureaucratic state could manage; however, must we rush to assume we've gotten the first layer correct, immediately tack on five more layers of experimental cryptography, each one a long bet? |
| 03:42 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug&chan=all << you might find some interesting conversations here. |
| 03:42 |
signpost |
I don't think anyone thinks bitcoin is perfect, which is the problem, but the solution most people reach for is tacking more shit to the side. |
| 03:44 |
thehorrors |
okay, that's a slightly separate train of thought. On that I would say that the issue is not in currency at all, the solution would ultimately be education, wouldn't you agree? |
| 03:45 |
signpost |
consider that if someone else is saying the things are related, you may be the one lacking the common thread. |
| 03:47 |
asciilifeform |
thehorrors: consider that bitcoin is of interest because solves (such as it does) several problems at once, and with reasonable complexity |
| 03:47 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-05-15 22:15:23 asciilifeform: bitcoin remains a thing because it sorta, partially, solved ~some~ of the problems ('who gets to decide what is a coin?' 'who gets to decide when counts as 'spent' ?' 'what is incentive for participating?') none of the supposedly-competing items proposed any meaningfully different working solutions ( plenty of braindamaged ones tho ) |
| 03:48 |
asciilifeform |
for instance, you can determine mechanically how many coins have been mined, and, similarly, verify that no one is 'magicking' coin outta thin air (i.e. via means other than mining as defined in the protocol) |
| 03:48 |
signpost |
on the subject of totalitarian states, it's not a given that they are destroyed by those working in secret. |
| 03:49 |
signpost |
historically they tend to rot and die, rather than this. |
| 03:49 |
asciilifeform |
( afaik all of the various crackpot schemes suggested for 'increased anonymity' weaken this ability ) |
| 03:49 |
signpost |
perhaps swarmed by meat when near enough to death to be overwhelmed. |
| 03:52 |
thehorrors |
okay so here is my disconnect: one subject is making a "good currency", good means of exchange. Another issue is making a "good economy" - a well working machine of production. And yet another one is to suffocate the tax-collecting state through constructing a parallel economy. |
| 03:53 |
thehorrors |
There are three related but separate topics, that's why I (and you - to me) seem to be jumping around |
| 03:54 |
asciilifeform |
thehorrors: the 'parallel economy' has existed for as long as the tax-collecting state. the aim of bitcoinism is to bring it to yer desk, rather than 'make exist' |
| 03:54 |
thehorrors |
So make it more convenient? |
| 03:55 |
asciilifeform |
from one pov. tho observe that most blackmarket folx do not presently find bitcoin at all convenient, from their pov |
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| 03:56 |
thehorrors |
I also think the black market itself is part of the problem. Folks should trade food and clothes for bitcoin for it to make effect |
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| 03:57 |
signpost |
there's an unspoken political goal here which is providing foundation for what you're discussing. |
| 03:57 |
signpost |
is it to destroy that state? fix it? |
| 03:57 |
thehorrors |
and black market adds stigma. Essentially, bitcoin needs mass adoption for it to be effective to replace the economy |
| 03:57 |
thehorrors |
I don't think you can fix it |
| 03:57 |
signpost |
right, so replace. |
| 03:58 |
signpost |
the only possibility I've ever considered was establishing something which could grow into the space caused by the other thing's death. |
| 03:59 |
thehorrors |
I don't think I understand - can you elaborate? |
| 04:00 |
signpost |
you are not going to shut the thing with nukes off before the thing with nukes shuts itself off. |
| 04:00 |
thehorrors |
okay, sure |
| 04:00 |
signpost |
there is probably not even at that time an opportunity to replace it, but if so, then. |
| 04:04 |
thehorrors |
[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1099018] << I think that because they would be forced to exchange it to state's currency. Which is to say they cannot use it to buy "normal" stuff which to me is pretty much the issue |
| 04:04 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 23:54:15 asciilifeform: from one pov. tho observe that most blackmarket folx do not presently find bitcoin at all convenient, from their pov |
| 04:04 |
signpost |
no need to bracket 'em when using that format, only when adding link text. |
| 04:05 |
thehorrors |
got it |
| 04:05 |
signpost |
but anyway, yeah, I'm not interested in a world ruled by drug cartels, etc. |
| 04:06 |
asciilifeform |
asciilifeform's recipe ftr for 'how to make 'normal stuff' buyable w/ btc' . |
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| 04:06 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-14 19:57:24 asciilifeform: recommends his strategy -- of conducting biz in btc strictly to fill a hodl -- to others, but not under illusion that it is generally applicable |
| 04:06 |
signpost |
and would not want bitcoin changed in such a way that helps them, harms civilized business. |
| 04:08 |
signpost |
lately I've been working on a project to capture a self-hosting linux system as vpatches, so an analogy comes to mind. |
| 04:09 |
signpost |
consider the case of the GNU system, which was intended to be maximally viral into proprietary ones. |
| 04:11 |
signpost |
in service of this political goal, the GNU software was fractally shit-caked in a lovecraftian horror of compatibility layers. |
| 04:13 |
signpost |
early on, one would've stated the political goal in terms of freedom. |
| 04:13 |
signpost |
at this point, the shitwad is so complex only gigantic, billion dollar corporations control the projects. |
| 04:13 |
signpost |
hilariously the ones that were meant to be disempowered by "Free Software (TM)" |
| 04:14 |
signpost |
is this a failure, and if so why did the failure occur? |
| 04:21 |
thehorrors |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099035 < right, but that thread seems to indicate that (1) you still cannot eat from it which is my problem. (2) the community is a huge part of a working system (my earlier point about education). Crypto-amish will definitely suffocate any system. The deal here is that raw-noncrypto amish in sufficient numbers will suffocate the system just as well. |
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| 04:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 00:04:49 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's recipe ftr for 'how to make 'normal stuff' buyable w/ btc' . |
| 04:23 |
thehorrors |
signpost: so the "fits-in-the-head" currency is sort of what I am reading |
| 04:24 |
thehorrors |
the failure also occured in my view, because they didn't make money - simple as. And gnu introduced huge incentives to make commercial SaaS *all the while* having no mitigation agains SaaS. In my view it's a disaster |
| 04:25 |
signpost |
I don't mean that oss failed; it's everywhere. |
| 04:25 |
signpost |
it failed at its earlier stated political objective. |
| 04:26 |
signpost |
I traded the black box of microsoft for an ever-tangling thicket I could in principle, but not in practice, read and understand. |
| 04:26 |
thehorrors |
It's everywhere, but controlled by big corps, so the fact that it's everywhere doesn't really help me |
| 04:27 |
signpost |
right, I'm just emphasizing "failed on its own terms" |
| 04:27 |
thehorrors |
okay, but are you trying to say that the complexity is to blame? |
| 04:29 |
signpost |
I'm saying that a technological artefact is not separable from the political process that emitted it. |
| 04:29 |
signpost |
when designing a cryptocurrency these are part of the design. |
| 04:30 |
signpost |
that I want to read and understand both the src of the currency and its total state at all times is certainly helped by that model fitting in my head. |
| 04:36 |
thehorrors |
I am not sure I fully agree with you. I think there are feedback loops and the clusterfuck that we witness is ultimately emergent. Okay, suppose a crypto client fits in your head. Still, the only people who can operate upon it meaningfully will be people proficient in software - to the point where they can actually appreciate the simplicity and more importantly - uphold it. |
| 04:37 |
signpost |
so what? I'm telling you what I want, and I did read it. |
| 04:37 |
signpost |
I ask that my doctor know things I do not also, and rely on him for that. |
| 04:38 |
signpost |
is there an implied "normies must the buttcorn" in here? |
| 04:38 |
signpost |
if so why. |
| 04:38 |
thehorrors |
sort of. The same simplicity will invite "normies" who will hack it into oblovion |
| 04:39 |
signpost |
game theory of the protocol seems to have rejected all such attempts. |
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| 04:39 |
thehorrors |
and will make it easier to hijack for corporations as well. Because if you have a codebase that only two people can contribute to, they can safely tell everyone to fuck off |
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| 04:40 |
signpost |
heh, what is this, security by wall of autism? |
| 04:40 |
signpost |
I don't think that's what's securing the chain. |
| 04:40 |
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signpost brb |
| 04:44 |
thehorrors |
if you have something simple, you will have CoC forks after the first sneeze. CoC forks immediately get "sponsored" and marketed, grow out of proportion with features and shiny. Normies will buy that, the original will be left to the people "who get it". The cycle will repeat, with five people using lynx and the rest using firefox. |
| 04:46 |
billymg |
thehorrors: the importance of the prb shithub account is overblown. they can do what they want over there and hodlers are free to continue running older versions of bitcoin, such as trb for example |
| 04:46 |
signpost |
thing's worth like 1T already, hardly lynx. |
| 04:47 |
billymg |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099019 << black market to me just means normal trade between free agents without having to cc nancy pelosi on all transactions > $600. iow 'black market' includes food and clothes |
| 04:47 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 03:56:26 thehorrors: I also think the black market itself is part of the problem. Folks should trade food and clothes for bitcoin for it to make effect |
| 04:47 |
signpost |
and yes, the original consensus rules still work fine, despite all attempts to render it otherwise. |
| 04:48 |
billymg |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099045 << the only thing with bitcoin that the reich works harder to suppress than the exchange rate is the emergence of true p2p markets |
| 04:48 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 04:21:28 thehorrors: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099035 < right, but that thread seems to indicate that (1) you still cannot eat from it which is my problem. (2) the community is a huge part of a working system (my earlier point about education). Crypto-amish will definitely suffocate any system. The deal here is that raw-noncrypto amish in sufficient numbers will suffocate the system just as well. |
| 04:48 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 01:45:54 asciilifeform: i.e. fulfilling reich dictat re damping the exchrate and disrupting organic hawala network formation. |
| 04:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 00:04:49 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's recipe ftr for 'how to make 'normal stuff' buyable w/ btc' . |
| 04:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-19 13:03:00 asciilifeform: the reason why various 2010s 'they'll ban goxes!' prognoses (incl. asciilifeform's) came to nuffin, is that turns out goxes are a very effective instrument of exchrate control, and therefore quite valuable to the reich. |
| 04:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-25 14:19:31 asciilifeform: is half of why reich even tolerates goxes -- to put brakes on the development of proper wotronic trade. |
| 04:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-14 20:07:52 asciilifeform: i.e. you go to yer l1 hawaladar. |
| 04:50 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099065 << this power exists at all times in all men. consider though, if we use mathematics that only 3 people on earth understand as the basis of a currency system, it makes it easier for those 3 people to subtly break the system. |
| 04:50 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 00:38:26 thehorrors: and will make it easier to hijack for corporations as well. Because if you have a codebase that only two people can contribute to, they can safely tell everyone to fuck off |
| 04:50 |
signpost |
this definitely *should* also call into question the use of ECDSA in bitcoin. |
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| 04:54 |
thehorrors |
billymg: okay, agreed, but why is there no food and clothes on the black market? Can I buy a sack of potatoes for bitcoin from a peer? Why is there a trillion market cap and I cannot do dick with my coins except buying some hosting offshore maybe? |
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| 04:55 |
signpost |
grocer typically doesn't accept gold bars either. |
| 04:55 |
thehorrors |
so then bitcoin is not currency |
| 04:55 |
signpost |
I see nowhere on earth that bitcoin is currently being used as common currency. |
| 04:56 |
thehorrors |
right, but that's exactly my problem |
| 04:56 |
signpost |
please state the problem. how are you going to fight the state by buying your latte with btc? |
| 04:57 |
thehorrors |
because I won't pay taxes doing that |
| 04:57 |
signpost |
the thing will literally just come murder you and take what is valuable of yours long before mass tax protest is a tickle in anyone's nutsack. |
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| 04:57 |
thehorrors |
how are you going to fight the state by hodling? |
| 04:57 |
signpost |
did the invention of the internet fight the state? |
| 04:58 |
thehorrors |
right which makes it more attractive to me to have an encrypted ledger |
| 04:58 |
thehorrors |
in a way - for sure |
| 04:58 |
signpost |
you're hoping for a great awakening in the religious sense, and flavoring it with crypto. |
| 04:58 |
thehorrors |
in other ways it helped the state as well (being its own invention) |
| 04:58 |
signpost |
no need, normies can go throw themselves atop the gears today. |
| 04:59 |
thehorrors |
Well I hope for the great awakening irrespective of crypto |
| 04:59 |
signpost |
re: internet consider whether the chinese model would even be possible without it. |
| 04:59 |
signpost |
current chinese surveillance megastate. |
| 05:00 |
thehorrors |
yeah, but would snowden be possible without it? |
| 05:00 |
thehorrors |
chicken and egg I get it |
| 05:00 |
signpost |
whether hope pans out or not, saying the existence of a particular technology does not by itself make the thing happen. |
| 05:00 |
thehorrors |
well I said I don't consider the two connected |
| 05:01 |
signpost |
silk road happened, yet no great psychedelic awakening, etc. |
| 05:01 |
thehorrors |
great awakening is one thing, crypto is another thing. Partially we need crypto as a sort of substitute of the enlightement in hopes that it will enable it |
| 05:01 |
signpost |
your way of trying to partition the world is nonsense. |
| 05:02 |
signpost |
the world is not disconnected in that manner. |
| 05:02 |
billymg |
the last two years killed any hope of "great awakening" for me |
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| 05:03 |
billymg |
whatever bitcoin will carve out, if it can carve anything out, will be niche |
| 05:03 |
signpost |
you miss my point. the existence of a technology does not mean the end you hope for comes out of it. |
| 05:03 |
signpost |
for most people the internet means tiktok |
| 05:04 |
signpost |
hindbrain making mush of the forebrain. |
| 05:05 |
signpost |
our society sucks because the humans in it suck, myself included. therefore the project of interest is sucking less, and from that, other things flow. |
| 05:05 |
verisimilitude |
I believe hope to be an evil. I advise being hopeless instead, billymg. |
| 05:05 |
signpost |
it doesn't suck for lack of a new widget. |
| 05:06 |
signpost |
billymg: ha, I saw you as the other guy! |
| 05:06 |
signpost |
same damned color over here; I must be getting tired. |
| 05:07 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: hope is 100% a character flaw. |
| 05:07 |
signpost |
it's prayer. reality will hear me and bend. |
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| 05:10 |
billymg |
signpost: i think you captured it well here |
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| 05:10 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2021-07-18 20:37:39 signpost: there's something rotten in the soul of man that desires enslavement. |
| 05:11 |
signpost |
a couple more examples of the ideology behind my thoughts on bitcoin. |
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| 05:11 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-20 12:38:12 signpost: would far rather know the ~100 people on earth with whom he can refine his sanity than shotgun his farts to all of twitter |
| 05:11 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-31 23:08:39 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-20#1086086 << tmsr was a machine we were building to do this. |
| 05:11 |
signpost |
billymg: ty |
| 05:12 |
signpost |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046469 << yeah, humans do not wake up one day with a feeling in their butts and agree. |
| 05:12 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2021-07-18 20:41:52 signpost: consider what otehr "mass movements" there'd be if this were possible. |
| 05:12 |
signpost |
it's a process; bitcoin's an innovation in this category, barely understood yet. |
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signpost gotta hit the hay, will be happy to pick up the thread in the morning. |
| 05:13 |
billymg |
i've got these family members, one of whom i set up with a paper wallet back in '15 or so. now the other family member is telling the former "you should put that on coinbase, where it's regulated" |
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| 05:13 |
thehorrors |
good night, signpost, thanks for discussion |
| 05:13 |
signpost |
thehorrors: I appreciate the conversation. |
| 05:13 |
signpost |
yep, night |
| 05:13 |
billymg |
later signpost |
| 05:14 |
billymg |
got a friend like that too, i keep telling him "take it off coinbase", he's smart, he understands the implications, and yet he *chooses* to keep it on coinbase, because that's how you "behave" |
| 05:15 |
thehorrors |
That's said, but sort of reinforces my growing believe that technological fix may not be the answer, or at least a very small part of the answer |
| 05:16 |
billymg |
you can literally show them the open door to their cell and they won't walk out, they prefer the cell |
| 05:17 |
verisimilitude |
Oh, thehorrors, most people are worthless. |
| 05:17 |
thehorrors |
I know that, but I still have hope (unlike you guys apparently) |
| 05:17 |
thehorrors |
hehe |
| 05:22 |
thehorrors |
Anyways, thanks all for the good chats, I hope I'll talk to you again some time. Have hope, goddammit |
| 05:22 |
verisimilitude |
No. |
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| 08:16 |
crtdaydreams |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098749 << booting w/ lilo (and previously with grub) would get a boot hang when mounting boot devices. No particular reason wai so far. I'm just about ready to attempt another reboot. (I complied last night before bed) |
| 08:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 11:44:00 billymg: what do you mean 'hanging at usb'? maybe i or someone else here can help |
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crtdaydreams |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098750 << i7-7700K (8 cores @ 4.5GHz), 19892MiB DDR4 RAM, Nvidia GeForce GT 1030, mobo will have to look up |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 11:45:37 billymg: also what are your specs? cpu/mobo? |
| 08:19 |
crtdaydreams |
I have a suspicion it's not so much a boot hang perse but rather it's something to do with GPU Drivers. |
| 08:19 |
crtdaydreams |
I.e. (Boots on Integrated Graphics, then fails to transfer screen to GPU) |
| 08:19 |
crtdaydreams |
I'll try knocking out IG in bios first and get back to ya |
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| 08:21 |
crtdaydreams |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098768 << classic |
| 08:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-25 18:55:20 signpost: uh, like, to bootstrap sbcl. |
| 08:22 |
crtdaydreams |
still gets a giggle every time |
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| 09:19 |
crtdaydreams |
aboslutely profound and to a degree poetic excellent thread. save for future reference. |
| 09:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 01:06:14 signpost: it's prayer. reality will hear me and bend. |
| 09:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 01:09:32 billymg: signpost: i think you captured it well here |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 01:09:38 signpost: a couple more examples of the ideology behind my thoughts on bitcoin. |
| 09:22 |
crtdaydreams |
oh lawd. s/aboslutely/absolutely |
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crtdaydreams |
I have thoughts I'd add, but I'm afraid they're not refined enough. Need some more time in the hearth before a second round of quenching. |
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| 13:51 |
shinohai |
$vwap |
| 13:51 |
busybot |
The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 39137.50 USD |
| 13:52 |
shinohai |
Happy CIAGavin made Satoshi vanish day y'all! |
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| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099084 << lotsa potentially lulzy failure modes being masked by the p2pkh thing. and funny how to this day no one afaik baked an rsa alt. (likely from simple fact that shitcoinism is intrinsically braindamaged and no honest people |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
involved w/ subj at all, for fundamental reasons) |
| 14:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 00:48:56 signpost: this definitely *should* also call into question the use of ECDSA in bitcoin. |
| 14:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-20 14:31:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile in eccism olds. |
| 14:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-14 11:56:58 asciilifeform: and given as the entire purpose of a shitcoin is to 'replay history' with perp at the center. |
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asciilifeform |
( aand see also. ) |
| 14:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-04-20 13:53:46 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: whole history of cryptocoinism consists of 1) the original bitcoin client, which ~works 2) variously-sabotaged variants of (1) , sponsored by the enemy 3) 'altcoins', consisting without exception of 'premine scam', where orig. author hopes to get-rich-quick on the backs of army of useful idiots |
| 14:47 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099064 << aand see also. |
| 14:47 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 00:38:18 signpost: game theory of the protocol seems to have rejected all such attempts. |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-12-17 16:37:18 asciilifeform: re upstack , imho important q for any participant to answer ~for himself~, 'does bitcoin work? what does it mean for it to work?' (see also e.g.) |
| 14:49 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099085 << echoing naggum's 'if lisp doesn't win around you, and you wanna know why, look in the mirror' -- what goods/services are you, ~personally~, selling for btc ? nuffin at all ? but like to complain, lol ? |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 00:53:17 thehorrors: billymg: okay, agreed, but why is there no food and clothes on the black market? Can I buy a sack of potatoes for bitcoin from a peer? Why is there a trillion market cap and I cannot do dick with my coins except buying some hosting offshore maybe? |
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asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099092 << recall how and why the 'cash mexicans', who perhaps 90% of the 'asphalt and bricks' physical economy of reich, live ~entirely w/out tax. and largely unmolested. (not to be confused with 'tax protesters', however; i.e. idjit office plankton who try to weasel outta paying [http://logs.nosu |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
chlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-10#1072012][bill]. picture aquarium fish 'protesting'.) |
| 15:00 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 00:56:07 signpost: the thing will literally just come murder you and take what is valuable of yours long before mass tax protest is a tickle in anyone's nutsack. |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-11 08:30:30 asciilifeform: cgra: nobody's in fact abolishing cash, it's an 'unprincipled exception' quite necessary for the reich to function, and attempts to phase it out give similar result to hruschev's idiocy |
| 15:01 |
asciilifeform |
grr |
| 15:01 |
asciilifeform |
... i.e. idjit office plankton who try to weasel outta paying bill. picture aquarium fish 'protesting'.) |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-10 13:27:49 asciilifeform: other thing is that in current-day usa the path from 'gox made you a 1099' to collections takes 4-5y |
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asciilifeform |
bitcoinism does not remove the legwork req'd to 'be cash mexican'; simply allows for teleportation and storage in head of the moolah. |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-14 19:44:07 asciilifeform: sucked largely because vulnerable to lizarding : can't teleport it, or hide it in yer head |
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asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099111 << 'great awakenings' are a disastrous concept per se. 'eternal september'. if you 'want good things', 1st, 2nd, and 9000th order of biz is to find how to keep the bottom ~0.9 of the bell curve the permanent fuck outta what yer doing. |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-26 01:01:35 billymg: the last two years killed any hope of "great awakening" for me |
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asciilifeform |
the folx who 'just want'(tm) and whine about how $protocol hasn't made'em, w/out having to lift a finger, 'rich', or 'fighting the state', or whatever -- and whine, 'pretty pleez, can haz new protocol, that'll grant erry bipedal cattle three wishes??' aint an asset, their 'mass adoption' is worth ~substantially less than nothing~. |
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asciilifeform |
^ agonizingly well-worked subj in the old logs, but imho worth to repeat for n00bz, who 'bitcoin has failed me! where is my yacht' etc |
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thimbronion |
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| 15:59 |
thimbronion |
^ cat. ffs. second I leave and forget to shut my laptop off she turns it off or locks it up. |
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asciilifeform |
lol |
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billymg |
crtdaydreams: hrmm, i also have nvidia cards in two of my desktop builds, i found this page useful/straightforward for setting the kernel config correctly |
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| 16:19 |
billymg |
i was on the "nouveau" open source drivers for a while but performance was dog shit and my card isn't powerful enough to make up for that (besides the boxes aren't of the mission critical variety so i didn't mind adding the closed source blobs) |
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billymg |
crtdaydreams: also, i don't know what state your kernel config is in but your specs sound pretty conventional, i wouldn't be surprised if you can boot with a completely unmodified kernel config (save at a minimum enabling nvme support if you're trying to boot off one of those). i mention this in the guide as wel |
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billymg |
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| 17:34 |
verisimilitude |
MPEX cost thirty bitcoins just to join, regardless of the exchange rate; what was the highest exchange rate under which he received such payment, however? |
| 17:47 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: nobody afaik knows for certain. at the time of asciilifeform's review article, was ~600 $. |
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asciilifeform did not subscribe |
| 17:50 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: in '15 raised it to 50, and iirc even once again after that (tho can't seem to find when) |
| 17:50 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-05-15 deedbot-: [Trilema] New MPEx fee - http://trilema.com/2015/new-mpex-fee/ |
| 17:51 |
asciilifeform |
( and eventually lights out ) |
| 17:51 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-06-02 20:18:59 mats: like does mp just not care if nobody ever uses mpex again? got his fees so w/e? i find that hard to believe |
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verisimilitude |
Alright. |
| 17:53 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: was a moar or less overt pyramid. |
| 17:54 |
asciilifeform |
( similar to e.g. mavrodi's series ) |
| 17:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 10:33:42 punkman: " Mavrodi launched another pyramid scheme called MMM-2011, asking investors to buy so-called Mavro currency units. He frankly described it as a pyramid, adding "It is a naked scheme, nothing more ... People interact with each other and give each other money. For no reason!"" |
| 17:54 |
verisimilitude |
Say, asciilifeform, I usually don't ask permission, but I'm thinking about showing someone in some hellhole I find myself occasionally glancing at Pest; this is alright, right? |
| 17:54 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: if you like |
| 17:55 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: dun expect much constructive result from it, tho, imho |
| 17:55 |
verisimilitude |
Don't worry; I made certain to let them know ``no one here deserves to be shown the truly interesting stuff''. |
| 17:55 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: current draft canonical link. |
| 17:55 |
verisimilitude |
Oh, too late. |
| 17:56 |
asciilifeform |
aite |
| 17:56 |
verisimilitude |
I've been using this link. |
| 17:56 |
asciilifeform |
also worx |
| 17:57 |
verisimilitude |
I'm getting ahead of myself, but want an offensive name for my Pest implementation. |
| 17:58 |
verisimilitude |
I'm thinking of calling it ``Genocide'' or naming it after a particular genocide. |
| 17:58 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: say, 'nanking'. |
| 17:58 |
asciilifeform |
lotsa good choices. |
| 17:59 |
verisimilitude |
I was thinking of naming it after the only genocide about which I was taught in school, the Holocaust. A close second is the Holodomor. |
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asciilifeform |
'hohlomor' (derivise ru meme, 'hohol' -- ukr, named for the ponytail they used to wear) |
| 18:00 |
asciilifeform |
*derisive |
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verisimilitude |
I thought to myself, ``Would the former offend adlai, and would the latter offend asciilifeform?''. |
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asciilifeform |
hohlomor imho a++ title |
| 18:01 |
verisimilitude |
I'll consider it. |
| 18:01 |
signpost |
timely even, if going for max offense. |
| 18:02 |
verisimilitude |
I don't want timely offense; I want offense that will cause seething for decades to come. |
| 18:02 |
signpost |
if for high score, bubonic plague iirc trumps all human-initiated cullings. |
| 18:02 |
signpost |
lol |
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signpost thinks hohlomor has both. |
| 18:04 |
signpost |
oooh, plague of justinian was also bubonic. yeah, high score indeed. |
| 18:04 |
asciilifeform |
iirc there's a version that it was typhus |
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signpost |
ah ok |
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| 20:19 |
thehorrors |
!!register http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=c1Ht |
| 20:19 |
deedbot |
9F8CEBA4044E827E50FFBEC1B5D076EC667152F8 registered as thehorrors. |
| 20:19 |
thehorrors |
it is done |
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signpost |
!!v ACEFA40F65B85215AFA45F833721CC1F46B417F23E93EC975EB436E6C1E72585 |
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deedbot |
signpost rated thehorrors 1 << new blood |
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| 23:38 |
thehorrors |
Let me try this |
| 23:39 |
thehorrors |
!!rate signpost 1 [very nice] |
| 23:39 |
deedbot |
Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=FxnQ |
| 23:43 |
verisimilitude |
Think about the authentication, thehorrors. |
| 23:45 |
thehorrors |
I thought it would just figure it out from my nick? Now I am not sure what to do. Do I !!register every time then? |
| 23:47 |
thehorrors |
!!register http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=c1Ht |
| 23:47 |
deedbot |
9F8CEBA4044E827E50FFBEC1B5D076EC667152F8 is already registered as thehorrors. |
| 23:49 |
thehorrors |
!!key thehorrors |
| 23:49 |
deedbot |
http://wot.deedbot.org/9F8CEBA4044E827E50FFBEC1B5D076EC667152F8.asc |
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thehorrors |
!!v 504E83D38482A7AE3897125D3E6C8AC29336C273FD33C41701E382F9B49BACBD |
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deedbot |
thehorrors rated signpost 1 << [very nice] |
| 23:51 |
thehorrors |
hahah |
| 23:53 |
thehorrors |
!!rate verisimilitude 1 Kind to noodz and helpful. Also poetry and masturbation jokes. |
| 23:53 |
deedbot |
Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Z3ud |
| 23:53 |
thehorrors |
hmm is there a better way to do this? |
| 23:53 |
thehorrors |
!!v 1A9D0342CC5A6D99EAC6A8B28C29E6A6E6B1BC351AE65F7257BEC056E8DF2454 |
| 23:53 |
deedbot |
thehorrors rated verisimilitude 1 << Kind to noodz and helpful. Also poetry and masturbation jokes. |
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thehorrors |
* also I didn't realize signpost is trinque. What a strange realization that was. |
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shinohai |
wb thehorrors |
| 23:56 |
dpb |
thehorrors, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world! |
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