#asciilifeform | 2022-03-19

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asciilifeform wouldn't be surprised if were down for coupla min, it's happened before

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hihi

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-12#1084069 << I'm going to retry this build today, fingers crossed it werks

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Logged on 2022-03-12 16:15:43 billymg: crtdaydreams: homework for you if you're interested. scrap your current build attempt and start fresh using that guide. leave comments on the article if you get stuck or find errors

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also, my webshit is www.lambdaspace.xyz

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w/ ftp.lambdaspace.xyz

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Every link is broken.

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It's a start.

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every link is broken because no files are uploaded.

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I'm borderline can't be bothered editing ftpd config to upload shiet

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the can't be bothered meme ain't endearing.

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also you're doing a faux salesman voice thing, stop it pls

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I agree.

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I use no memes; I speak and write correctly, ofttimes without being idiomatic either.

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Half of the latest memes are just ebonics.

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this or nervous chittering being soothed by a circlejerk

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thimbronion recently read: Dark Star Rising - interesting take on memes

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Attempts to tie Trump/Dugin to "chaos magic"

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I remember back in 2016 when idiots on 4chan's /pol/ were worshipping an Egyptian god.

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Kek

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Yes.

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I didn't deign to write its name.

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signpost: er can't be bothered meme?

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also wdym faux salesman voice thing

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back in my PoE days, we used to praise le toucan

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crtdaydreams: yes, the thing where tards on reddit relate by talking about how lazy they are.

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other comment was re: tone on your www

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"gee golly I'm self deprecating, and HOW!" etc

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just write what's in your head, man.

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and if that's in there, bleach first.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081617

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Logged on 2022-03-01 12:09:14 verisimilitude: My favourite Reddit quote is ``I was raped by my wife's boyfriend.''; it's perfect.

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Oh, on the topic of language, consider reading this. I need to update it, but it's fine.

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signpost finds compulsive self-deprecating humor particularly grating, in that it's tacit pleading to not criticize beyond the limits of the "humor"

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anyhow, without such social grooming as this thread, no "mental health" can be had.

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I've thought of several mp jokes, but bit my fingers rather than submit them.

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Yes, it's more fun to criticize others, signpost.

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We may improve our mental health by being here, but that just means most people are insane.

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perhaps also fun, but keeps one from catching the shit accumulating in the other.

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signpost started telling wife "you should be" with a perverse grin when she apologized when unwarranted

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My favourite is telling someone it doesn't matter when hearing variations on ``That's fine.''.

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``It's fine.'' ``It doesn't matter if it's fine.''

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joke is now that she will squirm a little and go "AND I'M NOT SORRY" in the same contexts.

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The ``It doesn't matter if it be fine.'' isn't as smooth.

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verisimilitude: yeah, "It's what I've done."

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all these I take to with sandpaper.

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they're just nervous noise.

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verisimilitude: do you use pirate talk at restaurants?

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bwahaha

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signpost now imagining verisimilitude in the seinfeld pirate shirt

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Yo ho, all together, hoist the torrents high! All together, peers and seeders, never shall we buy!

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thimbronion incidentally started wearing pirate shirts roughly one year ago. many complements were had.

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thimbronion: men peacock far too little in our time.

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No, thimbronion; I just speak in a way which normal people wouldn't realize avoids my complaints with modern English.

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signpost: indeed.

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That article of mine I linked complains about just this. Proper English sounds like pirate speak nowadays.

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signpost has been on the hunt for a suitable hat

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signpost: re redditards: I don't concur with anything that flows from that cesspool. It reeks, literally, figuratively, euphemistically and metaphorically.

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sure, I can tell you want to reject the things wrong with your surroundings.

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just pointing out a few you missed.

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say things here you thought through earnestly and they're likely to mesh with the gears.

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signpost: re hat: a suitable roll of aluminum and 5 minutes and you'd have a nice hat :)

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pffft

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would ruin my reception entirely.

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Bwahahahah

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crtdaydreams: incidentally if you take billymg up on that gentoo project, you'll have a basis atop which you can fix yourself a router that isn't a joke.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085627 << er can you elaborate or is this pure armchair psychology?

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Logged on 2022-03-18 23:26:30 signpost: sure, I can tell you want to reject the things wrong with your surroundings.

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signpost has one here that's based on a similar gentoo on apu2

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if it were "pure armchair psychology" what'd that mean?

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085596 << a view I'm vehemently opposed to. The point here is humility. I quite frankly don't consider myself or any of my past, present and future works to be "intellectual" in the orthodox sense. Someone could wipe their ass with a html printout and I wouldn't bat an eyelid. The content is simple musings and nothing more.

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Logged on 2022-03-18 22:57:27 signpost: "gee golly I'm self deprecating, and HOW!" etc

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paring down the fluff will get you closer to the earnest humility you're going for, then.

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raw .nfo is is then.

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html is overrated

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wasn't the tags, but anyhow.

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I know. The point being I'll simplify the structure to match a simplified and fluff-less content-style.

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on a different subj, has oz finally lifted some of the insanity re: going outside?

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ja. not that it stopped me anyway.

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yeah, didn't figure. here folks have mostly dropped the mask pretense, too.

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seems like even the chinese are tiring of it now.

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dunno abt the ladles and jellyspoons further south though

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they'll need masks when the mustard gas drops

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heh, from chinese visitors?

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nah, from the Taiwanese airdrops on the invasion force

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signpost figures CN stragegy is as asciilifeform puts it http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-16#1085012

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Logged on 2022-03-16 18:57:03 asciilifeform: cn philosophy 'sit by riverside and wait for enemy's corpse to float by' is in action as we speak.

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crtdaydreams: not sure I follow

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*strategy

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i.e. when winnie invades taiwan drop the payloads on incoming landing craft

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dunno though, I have a feeling Taiwan will mostly be an air-superiority battle.

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oh derp, I get it now. regarding the chinese.

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was confused by whomever was "further south"

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maybe, but possibly more to do with missiles than planes.

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further south is melb and syd

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they're probs not outta lockdown

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got it

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this is a population density thing, or politics?

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crtdaydreams: isn't western australia the worst?

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er you mean lockdowns or thread on cn/taiwan

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signpost can't imagine why anyone would be doing 3rd year of lockdown and not tearing off the arms of anything with a uniform.

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had covid, it was fine.

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er I honestly don't know at this point, I pretty much stopped watching ``news'' altogether.

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are you more rural oz then, or more "conservative"? not familiar with the place.

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Last I understood the whole craze was ``dictator Dan(iel Andrews)''

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er politically I think conservative vs liberal is fabricated bullshit intended to ``create an enemy'' in the hopes of rallying a unifying force for the eternal us/vs/them conflict

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look I gave it scare quotes.

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I am more rural though, and on that scale my district would be considered more ``conservative''

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asking what the distinction is in-world, not as I would render it

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got ya

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yeah ok.

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here's the catch tho, in oz nobody __really__ gives a shit who you vote for

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it's nothing like US of A politics where you're dead to me if you voted for Yang gang or whatever

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like aw yeah, you're neighbor voted for libs and you voted for labor. whatever.

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come over for a beer and watch the cricket

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s/you're/your/

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only thing that unifies americans is fear, necessarily including of each other.

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typically further south and towards cities, (especially melb) more labor-oriented ideas the go

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commonwealth nations seem to have vestigial national identity lingering.

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crtdaydreams: it's not different here; politics are more geographical happenstance than choice.

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what do you mean? like the indigenous cultures?

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mmm. of course.

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I'm supposing that having been a more recent part of the british empire has a cultural effect.

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Not sure just ~how~ familiar you are with our politics, but like everything else, it's upside down.

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not at all familiar.

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Our libs are (not quite but eh) basically the republicans (though not necessarily followers of the trump jeebuz) and the labor are our more progressive oriented force.

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so what you call liberals and what we call liberals are opposites.

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this is at least what it meant. those are more defensible labels.

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yep, understand that.

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Yeah. Though I personally thing labels are pretty constrictive unless we're talking about the greens

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As I say; "If you don't want to vote, just vote for the greens, at least you know your vote won't count for anything!"

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signpost ftr does not believe in democracy, let alone a particular faction.

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^^^

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Anarchy is the default state of humanity.

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i.e. lack of governing body, not necessarily the other political beliefs tied to ``anarchists''

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don't know about that. is everyone in this state equal in power, friends, wealth?

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er, I say that in the sense of "erry man for himself" kinda biz.

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What you refer to is equity.

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sure, so then some form a hierarchy in this chaos, and stomp the others, and anarchy is soon replaced.

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Yup. The cycle of life.

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crtdaydreams does not mean to say that anarchy is good nor bad, nor heirachies or power dynamics.

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signpost would say that relationship is the fundamental unit of civilization, and the quality of the former determines all other aspects.

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interesting. so by that I would assume you value society over economy?

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It is argueable that the transaction is the fundamental unit, and relationship comes after. Vice versa.

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humans aren't fungible, nor are their relationships.

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but a transaction is a kind of relationship.

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A relationship is a kind of transaction.

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It's metacircular.

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go ahead and define the terms then, for me.

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you are perhaps using the word relationship more narrowly than I did.

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A relationship is a human-to-human interaction, it does not have to have a net value, that being an exchange, be it of social merit or otherwise. I.e. I have a relationship with my mother, she loves me unconditionally as either a by product of evolution, god or some unknown force. Be it human will if you want. This is a ``transaction'' but there is no net __exchange__.

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seems perverse to call this a transaction.

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the sun and the earth have a particular relationship. this does not mean they have business with each other.

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i see, you definitely have a much broader definition.

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money is a fine tool but it is not the root of the world.

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no, the transaction is

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but transaction and relationships are one in the same

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or rather, being that it has been made so, the world is dying.

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a transaction does not have to involve money

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think of it this way, a venn diagram

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on one side you have society and the other economy

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if you (quite literally) mathematically find the intersection of the two, we have politics.

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this is still a strange separation, like asking me to say whether I prefer sleeping or digesting.

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the study of economics bases the world off the "transaction" and the study of society bases the world off the "relationship"

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but really, those two constructs are the same thing within the intersection of politics.

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this sounds like one of those nonsense binary political arrangements you were dismissing above.

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well in reality it's the basis of politics.

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if I enter into a transaction with you, this means that we are agreeing to formalize the relationship between ourselves according to a system of rules we denote and demonstrate before others.

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everything in politics revolves around solving socio-economic equations

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we do not have to demostrate or denote those rules before others

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there is a difference between a public and private transaction

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nonsense, the idea that the rules of the private transaction are to be honored is a cultural construct you didn't invent.

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"some people will come beat me if I lie to this person, because if I do he will tell them"

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that sort of thing.

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that's where my point is made.

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that the subjunctive threat is enough just makes us imaginative social creatures.

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there is no difference between relationships and transactions

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a transaction influences and is thus influenced by relationships and vice-versa

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first, words are tools. you cannot make the argument that they simply *have* certain definitions.

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what you can do is work to construct *useful* definitions.

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so the case you must make is why it is useful to me to conflate relationship and transaction.

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earlier I gave a broad definition of relationship, the usefulness of which I can defend at length.

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I then used the definition of one to build a definition of the other. it cannot then be that they're equivalent.

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The way of the Tao

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I intend to fully explain this in an essay.

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With detailed and concise definitions.

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don't know that you're the first to call all relationships transactional.

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my arse sits in the empire that exported that one

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If it makes more sense to you my political view is not on creating hierarchies nor pulling them down. It's making them easier to climb.

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A smooth gradient if you will.

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I'm still on why I should conflate transaction and relationship.

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oughta clarify that before declaring allegiances to whichever great march.

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Ok. Say a transaction is abstractly an exchange of goods.

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Broadly, goods could be intellectual, physical, immaterial.

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And a relationship is abstractly an exchange of status.

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put the *is* down and make the case for it.

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how is my mother exchanging status for having let me parasitize her to live?

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She could be making transactions that are otherwise impossible because of you, those transactions have a direct influence on her relationships.

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you have to back up before what you feel is self-evident and explain *that*.

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she wants status, what status?

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I was going to explain that.

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Broadly, status refers to a cybernetic interaction with those around her, like neurons in a brain people communicate with the immediate and that information is spread across the whole network (society). Status refers to that weight/bias that she has. I.e. how much influence society (the whole brain) has on her, and how much she has on it.

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she didn't fuck my dad because she wanted social points.

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this is a notion unconsciously absorbed from facebook and co.

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That's too open ended.

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Why did she fuck your dad then?

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Was it biology? Her parents (encouraging her to continue the genealogy or whatever), her friends, financial gain?

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are you familiar with marx's notion of alienation?

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because this is precisely it.

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No.

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modern "last men" in Nietzsche's terms fuck as signaling, theft, anything but the real.

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this does not mean that it was always the case, even if dragging a higher-level symbol like "transaction" is satisfying, in that it makes the alienation inevitable.

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I'll speak of my own relationship. my wife appeals to me in herself, and these qualities that appeal are not rendered into my account to spend.

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they are there in the person and remain.

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Exactly.

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my witnessing them and their effect on me is not a fungible transfer of the qualities into my hand as a tool.

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exactly what

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I don't think I'm equipped to explain myself. Perhaps my formulation is half-baked.

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wb verisimilitude

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For a relationship to be a transaction there does not have to be a fungible exchange.

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you're dispensing with much of the existing context of the word to make it fit here.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085645 My Gopher hole helps constrain me so.

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Logged on 2022-03-18 23:34:10 crtdaydreams: I know. The point being I'll simplify the structure to match a simplified and fluff-less content-style.

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crtdaydreams: if a transaction is not a formalized exchange, there's not much left in the definition.

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signpost: perhaps this can be resumed at a later date, at this point I just sound like schizo.

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I'm fine to park it.

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Perhaps after I've written a few of the essays. One of which you might like; A Criticism of Kazyinsky's Work.

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yep, was going to say that it might be clearer what you're after in long form.

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With predetermined explicity defined definitions that I can refine over the course of a short essay, I should be able to convey my point in transactions == relationships.

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very edgy

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mats with the high impact commentary

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signpost gets himself some tea

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lol

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some men have a tendency to think of relationships transactionally

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I do, when it benefits me.

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mats: I purposely avoided the age interpretation, but it's there eh?

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mats: I'm stating the opposite is also true, transactions are relationship.

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very uninteresting discussion

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I agree.

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well, sorry for wasting your time I guess.

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mats: eh, lazy dismissal of youthful stupidity also uninteresting.

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output of that is all around.

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All anyone ever does with IRC is waste time.

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verisimilitude: by weight, by trying to use it as an amplifier for conceits rather than mechanism to remove them.

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I pity the average log-browser.

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Rephrase that.

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were folks able to burn through each other's stupid ideas without falling back on ^ they might do other than baw that the rectangle ain't entertaining tonight.

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i still read the #b-a logs, its not a waste of time

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depends who is chatting

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This is always my response when someone apologizes for wasting time on IRC.

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mats: not losing sleep over whether you're entertained.

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b-a was a failure, aside entertaining.

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Wasting 45 minutes on trifle discussion of an uninteresting topic an proceeding to get nowhere, in all honesty it would've been better to read HN for those 45 minutes.

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verisimilitude: better?

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crtdaydreams: eh, don't be a coward and react to it. there's nothing there.

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Toughen up, crtdaydreams.

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Not cowardice. Sarcasm.

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mats: those entertaining logs failed at what mormons could pull off, consider.

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crtdaydreams: as he says, toughen up.

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signpost galls at that mormons actually have castles.

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I toughened up, crtdaydreams; why, one of the first things mp did to me was insult me, and now he's dead.

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mormons have had more than 100y to build their empire tho

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verisimilitude: kek

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time, but also working algorithm

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verisimilitude: had no more constructive thumps on the head than from that guy.

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anyway, in other news, https://www.economist.com/technology-quarterly/2022/01/27/synthetic-aperture-radar-is-making-the-earths-surface-watchable-24/7

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anyway "get out of here until you're not a bitch" is how american fathers made a generation of redditards.

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https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/outlooks/93390/ocs-19f-01.pdf "Interdependence of China, United States, and Brazil in Soybean Trade"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=ZdzTRkojzwU "ShmooCon 2014: Controlling USB Flash Drive Controllers: Expose of Hidden Features"

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https://github.com/airbus-seclab/cpu_rec "Recognize cpu instructions in an arbitrary binary file"

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mostly old news tho

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Any of you put a guestbook on your server?

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signpost hasn't seen a guestbook on a website since 90s

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er, no. not that kind of guestbook.

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https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.1918896117 "Why East Asians but not South Asians are underrepresented in leadership positions in the United States"

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hm, they actually mentioned the intepersonal aspects.

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rather than just "systemic racism!"

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shoving all the triggering aside about racism, there's plenty of incompatibility to work around.

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mats: my sense has been that the SA demo is way more comfortable banding together and working ahead.

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signpost has seen whole teams that somehow got away with not hiring a single person outside their ethnicity at $megacorp

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"who would dare say anything"

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signpost to bed, night all

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yes

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over my career i've run into numerous bootlickers at my level who refuse to share salary info, even when i offer it up first

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its always east and se asians, and they often told me some shit about how its confidential and some variation on how they're 'holding their cards close' like its us slaves at a poker table together instead of us as individuals playing heads up with mgmt

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shits weak

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this is why asians are good slaves

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blacks never gave me this lip

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i wonder which firms sell market compensation research for various roles to enable market rate employers to price their comp properly

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i know chief executive sells data for executive comp but i'm not interested in that

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085844 << "Whereas extensive research has examined the "glass ceiling" faced by women, little research has examined the "bamboo ceiling," whereby Asians appear disproportionately underrepresented in leadership positions in the United States."

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Logged on 2022-03-19 00:57:58 mats: https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.1918896117 "Why East Asians but not South Asians are underrepresented in leadership positions in the United States"

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bamboo ceiling

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the woke save at the end is good too: "organizations should understand the differences among different cultural groups and diversify the prototype of leadership"

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we should get in on this boondoggle. i wish organizations would diversify the prototype of productivity and pay me for lisp hacks

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by chance, another woke pearl from an unrelated source: "How can we at least reach consensus that there is a problem?"

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085822 << lol whatcha doing here then ? i dun recall installing any glue traps, can walk whenever

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Logged on 2022-03-19 00:49:18 crtdaydreams: Wasting 45 minutes on trifle discussion of an uninteresting topic an proceeding to get nowhere, in all honesty it would've been better to read HN for those 45 minutes.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085839 << asciilifeform has once used this tool ( reversing a disk controller ) , it sorta work (use with 'binwalk')

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Logged on 2022-03-19 00:56:20 mats: https://github.com/airbus-seclab/cpu_rec "Recognize cpu instructions in an arbitrary binary file"

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085821 << we gota coupla useful artifacts outta that era (v, trb, current wot) tho arguably nothx to the dope-addled maniac or the kilometres of wank

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Logged on 2022-03-19 00:48:49 signpost: b-a was a failure, aside entertaining.

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Logged on 2020-02-04 22:14:39 asciilifeform: or, for that matter, his (admitted!) cocaine. imho still shows typical effects, even tho supposedly quit.

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BingoBoingo: what is your new job? Also, please run a pestron.

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mats: glassdoor no good?

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!q seen BingoBoingo

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BingoBoingo last seen here on 2022-02-28 12:49:43: In the past month US down ~19% versus Brasil's Real, 5.3% versus Peso Uruguay

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thimbronion, mats : asciilifeform suspects that folx are tight-lipped re pay largely from fear of discovering that they sit on bottom of the scale in given org

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rather than 'ohnoez boss will find out that i blabbed'

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085831 << also, importantly, successful, but not 'too successful' (consider e.g. scientology. 'zero to hero' in <20y, from practical joke to private navy, fbi infiltration and scuttling of all indictments against the org, to... what, today? some yachts & palaces and notmuch else)

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Logged on 2022-03-19 00:52:39 mats: mormons have had more than 100y to build their empire tho

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( see e.g. )

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(trilema) 2016-06-08 asciilifeform: afaik state of the art is 'church-mafia hybrid' model, e.g., scientology

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not that afaik they at any pt had any strategic aims ~other~ than 'moar yachts'

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085864 << lol

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Logged on 2022-03-19 05:46:21 mangol: we should get in on this boondoggle. i wish organizations would diversify the prototype of productivity and pay me for lisp hacks

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17:23

thimbronion: its useful, but anybody can print words there, so not necessarily reliable

17:24

asciilifeform: i dunno, scientology is still strong afaict

17:26

maybe not as strong as the mormons, who have had their own state for a century, plus significant membership in the us ic, international reach and so on

17:29

Scientology is so funny, because it's obviously not true, but the very religious can't explain how that be so without seething about their religion at the same time.

17:30

It boils down to ``my cult is older and has a better reputation''.

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18:15

So what's the deal with discrete logarithms of elliptic curves?

~ 1 hours 54 minutes ~

20:10

Does the Ada runtime properly handle select delay statements, even with a blocking system call; do I need to test this myself?

20:12

I get the feeling it won't.

20:18

It would be nice to be able to use the delay statement, rather than pass the desired delay directly.

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20:37

Apocalyptic

verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085891 << what do you mean ?

20:37

Logged on 2022-03-19 14:15:05 verisimilitude: So what's the deal with discrete logarithms of elliptic curves?

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20:59

I know little of them.

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22:30

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085892 << iirc requires tasks enabled. try it

22:30

Logged on 2022-03-19 16:09:27 verisimilitude: Does the Ada runtime properly handle select delay statements, even with a blocking system call; do I need to test this myself?

22:31

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085887 << dunno, i've been to their 'cathedral' in wash dc and they seemed to be leasing out most of it to misc. riffraff

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Logged on 2022-03-19 13:24:10 mats: asciilifeform: i dunno, scientology is still strong afaict

22:32

there were plasma screens (yes) showing propaganda films, with substantial burn-in

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*

asciilifeform suspects glory days past

22:37

been a while since heard of'em running over critic with bulldozer too

22:37

(trilema) 2016-06-08 asciilifeform: infiltrate fbi, run uppity heretics over with bulldozers at night, etc.

22:38

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085870 << yep, not sorry for any of these, nor the rest.

22:38

Logged on 2022-03-19 11:34:27 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085821 << we gota coupla useful artifacts outta that era (v, trb, current wot) tho arguably nothx to the dope-addled maniac or the kilometres of wank

22:38

was a comment about n00bs, and "wasted time"

22:41

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085898 I'll do that. I'll need to finish what I'm working on, and test it when designing the next package, but I'll get around to it.

22:41

Logged on 2022-03-19 18:29:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-19#1085892 << iirc requires tasks enabled. try it

22:51

asciilifeform: thats pretty normal among church folks

22:52

the place is only fully occupied on sundays

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