01:09 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: orig txt in eng. ( paste, as the .ru www is under heady ddos ) for your enjoyment. |
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01:09 |
asciilifeform |
'I do not in the least condemn those who have villas in Miami or the French Riviera, who cannot make do without foie gras, oysters or gender freedom as they call it. That is not the problem, not at all. The problem, again, is that many of these people are, essentially, over there in their minds and not here with our people and with Russia. In their opinion – in their opinion! – it is a sign of belonging to the supe |
01:09 |
asciilifeform |
rior caste, the superior race. People like this would sell their own mothers just to be allowed to sit on the entry bench of the superior caste. They want to be just like them and imitate them in everything. But they forget or just completely fail to see that even if this so-called superior caste needs them, it needs them as expendable raw material to inflict maximum damage on our people.' etc |
01:11 |
asciilifeform |
( see also apropos. ) |
01:11 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2018-05-14 asciilifeform: there's a common set of jokes from su, q: 'if only we let germany win, we'd be drinking bavarian! riding in mercedes!' a: '... yes, ride in mercedes. but -- as the leather seat.' |
01:20 |
verisimilitude |
That joke's less funny each time I read it. |
01:25 |
verisimilitude |
It's really tiring seeing people act as if communists, with their higher kill count, be better than national socialists, just because they had different intents. It's a meme. |
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01:25 |
verisimilitude |
``With foreign technical support, the pro-Nazi Kiev regime would have obtained weapons of mass destruction in the foreseeable future and, of course, would have targeted them against Russia.'' |
01:26 |
verisimilitude |
Am I misunderstanding something, or is this ``pro-Nazi Kiev regime'' led by a Jew, asciilifeform? |
01:27 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: supposedly! and, for over9000x moar laffs, famous standup comic, who played role of... accidental president. and who then ran for presidency on a 'peace' ticket |
01:27 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: initially 'peace', then was handed new script. |
01:35 |
verisimilitude |
``Let me add that the seizure of foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies and individuals is also a lesson for domestic businesses that there is nothing as reliable as investing in one’s own country. I personally have said that a number of times.'' |
01:36 |
verisimilitude |
I can think of some issues Russian businesses have had. It would be nice if US businesses would learn this lesson already, or at least stop cutting off air from everyone else. |
01:45 |
verisimilitude |
``We will focus on protecting mothers and children and supporting families with children. We have already made a decision – you know about it – to introduce as of April 1 payments for children aged 8 through 16 in low-income families. The size of the payment will range from 50 to 100 percent of the subsistence minimum for every child. Currently the national average is up to 12,300 rubles. Thus, we will have a uniform system of |
01:45 |
verisimilitude |
It's nice to see Russia and Ukraine agree on valuing women more highly than men. |
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01:46 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: spoiler: the 'pay people (chicken change) to birth' thing didn't work |
01:48 |
verisimilitude |
I can see the US telling TSMC to stop supplying chips to Russia. |
01:48 |
verisimilitude |
``What, you think Russia will protect you from the CCP?'' |
01:50 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: tw is a usg muppet, stopped even before formally ordered |
01:51 |
verisimilitude |
See, I saw it so well it already happened. |
01:59 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
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~ 39 minutes ~ |
02:39 |
verisimilitude |
Do we agree with the perspective of every country seemingly being in major disarray? |
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02:40 |
verisimilitude |
That is, that it feels less like ``Which fighter will win?'' and more like ``Which retarded old man will shit himself to death last?''. |
02:44 |
verisimilitude |
I may have a warped perspective, but every government seems hopelessly incompetent. |
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~ 25 minutes ~ |
03:10 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-17#1085368 << wouldn't load for me, ty! |
03:10 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-17 21:08:25 asciilifeform: signpost: orig txt in eng. ( paste, as the .ru www is under heady ddos ) for your enjoyment. |
03:12 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-17#1085374 << from over here, looks like both systems failed. |
03:12 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-17 21:24:24 verisimilitude: It's really tiring seeing people act as if communists, with their higher kill count, be better than national socialists, just because they had different intents. It's a meme. |
03:13 |
signpost |
doesn't look like putin's resurrecting communism either. |
03:15 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-17#1085382 << sign of humanity eh? any society that doesn't treat men as expendable ends up drowning in xy weaklings. |
03:15 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-17 21:44:44 verisimilitude: It's nice to see Russia and Ukraine agree on valuing women more highly than men. |
03:15 |
verisimilitude |
Any society that allows women to vote ends up fucking itself to death, as well. |
03:16 |
signpost |
entertains the hell out of me to bring this up to american feminists. "we agree without reservation that more men must die" |
03:16 |
signpost |
made several friends with that one! |
03:16 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: voting doesn't look like it works for anyone. |
03:16 |
verisimilitude |
Not with so many voters, certainly not. |
03:17 |
verisimilitude |
I saw a funny joke, signpost. |
03:17 |
signpost |
problem is we ran that experiment, and over time the standards weaken. |
03:17 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-17#1085389 << yes, it's a dark age. |
03:17 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-17 22:38:51 verisimilitude: Do we agree with the perspective of every country seemingly being in major disarray? |
03:17 |
signpost |
will be remembered as such if anyone left to remember. |
03:18 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: go ahead with the joke |
03:18 |
verisimilitude |
Two feminists are holding signs. One reads ``Kill all men.'', and the other ``Kill all REAL men.'', with the former holder disgusted at the ``trans-exclusionary'' attitude of the latter. |
03:18 |
signpost |
lol |
03:18 |
signpost |
that one's pretty good |
03:18 |
signpost |
somebody called my wife a TERF once, and she had to look it up. |
03:19 |
signpost |
this in response to her believing that males shouldn't be beating the shit out of women in sports. |
03:19 |
signpost |
even if they're castrated. |
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~ 2 hours 35 minutes ~ |
05:54 |
verisimilitude |
I was wondering why an adjective, MAGNIFICVS, was so very irregular in terms of its comparative and superlative forms. |
05:55 |
verisimilitude |
I checked my copy of the OLD and got nothing like the answer from my learning book. |
05:55 |
verisimilitude |
I realized I'd been very skillfully misreading that part of the margin each time. |
05:55 |
verisimilitude |
It's much easier to remember now. |
05:57 |
verisimilitude |
The comparative forms of MVLTĪ are PLŪRĒS and PLŪRA, the superlative PLŪRIMĪ, PLŪRIMAE, and PLŪRIMA. |
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~ 5 hours 5 minutes ~ |
11:03 |
vex |
cdd. it's okay to link your weblog |
11:06 |
vex |
that new cunt sounds pretty, whatchu call it? smooth |
11:08 |
vex |
i'm also in love |
11:09 |
vex |
I think the snow is a trick tho |
11:11 |
* |
vex sends big grins. don't get me wtrong |
11:15 |
vex |
x-m with a microscope |
11:17 |
vex |
you're x sir. embrace it |
11:18 |
vex |
two bitsie glass says yes. I missed a fuckup |
11:19 |
vex |
ye cANNE HANDA MANNNA GRANDA HAMMER |
11:23 |
vex |
SOUNDED BETTER IN MY HEAD |
11:23 |
vex |
and caps still on |
11:28 |
vex |
we'll dye your beard grey yet |
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~ 1 hours 46 minutes ~ |
13:15 |
shinohai |
Is this the same zx2c4 that lurks here? https://www.zx2c4.com/projects/linux-rng-5.17-5.18/ |
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~ 58 minutes ~ |
14:13 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: iirc yes |
14:15 |
mangol |
what's up with vex? |
14:20 |
shinohai |
Your experience with vex will vary by moon phases. |
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~ 42 minutes ~ |
15:02 |
zx2c4 |
shinohai: c'est moi ! |
15:03 |
zx2c4 |
Happy to answer questions about that post if youve got any |
15:04 |
shinohai |
zx2c4: Will dive in yer post this afternoon, someone shared it with me on telegram via HN |
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~ 2 hours 25 minutes ~ |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
17:29 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $41519.47 |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
17:29 |
watchglass |
Polling 15 nodes... |
17:29 |
watchglass |
94.176.238.102:8333 : Could not connect! |
17:29 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.121s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 |
17:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 |
17:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
17:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=727937 |
17:29 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.094s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
17:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=727937 |
17:29 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=727937 (Operator: whaack) |
17:29 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.204s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 |
17:29 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.199s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 |
17:30 |
watchglass |
82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.701s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 |
17:30 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.564s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 |
17:30 |
watchglass |
103.6.212.28:8333 : Alive: (0.505s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=328251 (Operator: whaack) |
17:30 |
watchglass |
75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.494s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 |
17:31 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
17:35 |
whaack |
awt: crossthreading because i don't have new blatta setup, have you tried developing lisp with emacs/swank/slime? |
17:35 |
whaack |
you can use 'evil' mode in emacs to get the vi command bindings, from what i understand |
17:36 |
whaack |
when i was using CL i was using SBCL and the above 3 |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
17:54 |
thimbronion |
whaack: it's been ages since I used emacs/swank/slime. I did the search/archiving work using vim/some lisp plugin. |
17:55 |
thimbronion |
I'm just gonna try out LispWorks and see how well debugging multiple processes works. Could come in very hande for pest dev. |
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~ 40 minutes ~ |
18:35 |
verisimilitude |
Be thimbronion the only (n)vi(m) user here? |
18:39 |
thimbronion |
mp was a vim user. not here, obviously. |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
19:00 |
* |
shinohai also uses vim .... |
19:12 |
mats |
vim master race |
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~ 53 minutes ~ |
20:05 |
signpost |
emacs makes for a perfectly acceptable vim |
20:06 |
* |
signpost is a sick bastard that uses former with evil mode |
20:14 |
crtdaydreams |
echo "setxkbmap -option caps:escape" >> ~/.xinitrc |
20:14 |
crtdaydreams |
or you're a truly sick bastard |
20:22 |
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asciilifeform used vi at various times 'not from a good life' (sysoping boxen where nuffin else present) but not attempted to program with it when had a choice, sees as a brutal ugh |
20:24 |
signpost |
crtdaydreams: defo have escape swapped to capslock. |
20:25 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: vimscript is iirc abominable |
20:28 |
verisimilitude |
I can use ed, but rather wouldn't. |
20:29 |
verisimilitude |
So, why use (n)vi(m)? |
20:42 |
crtdaydreams |
verisimilitude: not asciilifeform, but I did try nvim for a while. It's more of a coad editor than vi/vim with more programming oriented features and plugins. |
20:45 |
crtdaydreams |
ever tried vim bindings verisimilitude? |
20:46 |
crtdaydreams |
I also use ~M-x evil-mode~ |
20:47 |
crtdaydreams |
signpost: would like to know, do you use classic emacs + evil, or a hacked variant i.e. Doom, Spacemacs et cetera. |
20:54 |
verisimilitude |
No. |
20:55 |
crtdaydreams |
try em. it's like 15 min tutorial after you xbps-install vim |
20:56 |
verisimilitude |
No. |
20:58 |
crtdaydreams |
heh, no magick ergonomic kbd is gonna fix the way you use it |
21:02 |
shinohai |
vim is in busybox, therefore errywhere so nyeh |
21:02 |
shinohai |
xD |
21:03 |
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crtdaydreams imo good skill to have when working with systems without emacs |
21:07 |
verisimilitude |
I can use TRAMP. |
21:19 |
signpost |
crtdaydreams: nah, don't need a bunch of bluehairs getting in the way of my emacs config |
21:20 |
signpost |
but I use evil-leader with space as leader, so keymap is similar to spacemacs |
21:20 |
signpost |
didn't need all the hanky additional package management they wrapped emacs in. |
21:22 |
verisimilitude |
I just audit the code and put it in .emacs.d if I want to use it. |
21:23 |
signpost |
yep, I don't slurp unsigned shit directly from e.g. melpa either |
21:23 |
signpost |
takes no time to pull the stuff down manually |
21:24 |
verisimilitude |
This is getting increasingly silly. |
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21:26 |
signpost |
peasants have an unsatisfied religious urge. |
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21:26 |
verisimilitude |
The importance of Emacs was made clear to me when I wanted to install something, but none of the package managers were an option. Loading some more code into Emacs was easy, however. |
21:26 |
signpost |
it was a mistake to remove christianity from them. |
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21:26 |
verisimilitude |
They'd just be annoying about that, then. |
21:27 |
signpost |
whole point was systematizing that, keeping it eating from the same place. |
21:27 |
signpost |
now, they go around slurping anything that makes them feel that vestigial sin-shame. |
21:28 |
verisimilitude |
Instead of ``Do you agree that Putin doesn't respect Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity?'', it would be ``Do you agree that Jesus Christ died for your sins?''. |
21:28 |
signpost |
eh even a few generations back nobody listened to them saying anything. |
21:28 |
signpost |
point is to have a confucianism to answer their idiot questions before they ask them. |
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21:28 |
* |
signpost grants a better one could be made, but doesn't see on offer. |
21:30 |
verisimilitude |
There are no idiots in China; I should know, I've watched some Liveleak videos. |
21:31 |
signpost |
lol |
21:32 |
* |
signpost imagines much of chinese traditional (meaning of-long-experience) culture was zilched in the revolution |
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21:32 |
signpost |
just an example of a practical list of rules. |
21:40 |
crtdaydreams |
Time to resurrect second climacs lol. |
21:43 |
signpost |
doesn't bother me what people put their time towards, but existing emacs is fine for my needs. |
21:43 |
* |
signpost has written and fielded a product that used mcclim for UI, wasn't in love with it afterwords. |
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21:44 |
signpost |
the UI was mega-simple, but all I got for my efforts was w/e imaginary cred, at the cost of losing qt which had much more in terms of practical tools. |
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21:55 |
crtdaydreams |
mhm. one of the problems with lisp is no-one can build a sufficiently mature set of libraries that is well-documented, rivals existing libs and well-written. |
21:57 |
crtdaydreams |
it's simply not fungible. Without commercial support most lisp projects are hobbies at best. |
22:04 |
verisimilitude |
I can, but I only do it about that about which I care. |
22:04 |
signpost |
would tweak that slightly. in my experience sbcl and clozurecl were both *quite* useful commercially; however, couldn't rely on 3rd-party libs much at all, yes. |
22:04 |
verisimilitude |
Damn, I didn't proofread well enough. |
22:05 |
crtdaydreams |
bbl |
22:05 |
signpost |
and don't expect to avoid debugging and patching the ones you do use. |
22:05 |
verisimilitude |
I was surprised to see exactly one other doubly-linked list library, and my design is better. |
22:05 |
* |
signpost had a bitch of a time with cl+ssl years back |
22:08 |
signpost |
other items are done, and *benefit* from the lack of mainstream "open source" interest |
22:08 |
signpost |
I've never once been disappointed in hunchentoot. don't touch it; it's done. |
22:11 |
signpost |
looks like that one's actually getting some patches here and there on shithub, but I've got old versions around that work just fine. |
22:20 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085495 << lol!! a++, encore plz |
22:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-18 17:23:43 verisimilitude: This is getting increasingly silly. |
22:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-17 14:44:23 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: difficult to object to this, asciilifeform a++ in favour of over9000x moar of this behaviour, what else could possibly stand a chance of curing ru, cn, et al from reich shitware |
22:21 |
* |
asciilifeform saw in ru noose 'ministry of xyz recs not to update opensoreswares...' |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
picture, 6w ago this'd've been in the realm of asciilifeform's 'science fiction' |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
( apropos, in orc lulz ) |
22:24 |
verisimilitude |
What a brave new world, where a stupid faggot can become known globally for a Github commit. |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
herostratus |
22:25 |
verisimilitude |
Sure, but at least he was tortured to death for it. |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085513 << there is a moar fundamental problem -- the lack of a workable and impedance-matched gui lib even in principle on extant os |
22:28 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-18 17:44:03 signpost: the UI was mega-simple, but all I got for my efforts was w/e imaginary cred, at the cost of losing qt which had much more in terms of practical tools. |
22:28 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-04 14:23:38 asciilifeform: the 1 i got furthest with, was qt, with a modified 'qtextedit'. but is dog-slow, flickers, misreads clicks, mishighlights, buggy as all hell |
22:28 |
signpost |
yup, qt sucked ass also. |
22:28 |
signpost |
just differently |
22:28 |
signpost |
poverty vs byzantine hell |
22:28 |
verisimilitude |
UNIX isn't a graphical operating system. |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
( see e.g. asciilifeform's gui saga ) |
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22:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-04 08:47:44 asciilifeform: neither wx, nor qt, nor gtk, permit any such thing, and asciilifeform's many attempts to kludge it into existence led nowhere. |
22:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-03 18:30:39 asciilifeform: fucked with 'wx', 'qt', bought the fucking books, worked through all known public examples of anyffin even vaguely resembling hypertext editors, tried with raw x11, # of misc. horrors. all to 0 useful result. |
22:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-07-03 19:25:16 asciilifeform: went through 3 diff gui libs : native 'gtk' ; 'wxwidgets' ; finally 'qt' . none of'em could do it!! |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: the various 'graphical os' also aint actually programmably graphical, hilariously |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
can't do linked $item in any of'em |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
(w/out writing entire animation stack, font shitter, etc. from 0) |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085504 << they have this baked already, called harvard/nyt complex, and simply moved center from rome, and continuing a wankage from 600y ago w/out skipping a beat |
22:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-18 17:28:04 signpost: point is to have a confucianism to answer their idiot questions before they ask them. |
22:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-18 17:25:48 signpost: it was a mistake to remove christianity from them. |
22:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-28 14:43:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar interesting is the 'big pic' -- the current war in fact started from 4th crusade, and continues episodically in form of various 'drang nach osten' by impoverished western eureichs, who will not give up dream of 'lebensraum' and delish phree minerals from 'unfairly squatted by orcs' 1/6th of planet3 |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085508 << per modern cn, they ditched maladaptive legacy |
22:35 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-18 17:31:20 signpost: imagines much of chinese traditional (meaning of-long-experience) culture was zilched in the revolution |
22:35 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-16 18:46:35 verisimilitude: That really helped them during the Opium Wars, asciilifeform. |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-18#1085496 << they seem rather satisfied, w/ their '8 minute hates' etc., moar so than ever |
22:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-18 17:25:39 signpost: peasants have an unsatisfied religious urge. |
22:38 |
signpost |
eh no, the current peasant religion is evidently unstable |
22:38 |
signpost |
which is why trump's now jesus to the tards on one side, and similiar messianism on other |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
hell, e.g. trostky is still apparently jizzus to somebody |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
jizzi can last for a while |
22:39 |
signpost |
would grant all are unstable given long enough timeline. point was merely that american peasant firmware is garbage given available comparisons. |
22:41 |
signpost |
re: religions of higher strata of caste system, after the miami ru expat thread, and putins speech on the matter, was thinking how much worse it is that to our oligarchs, miami is the whole planet, and home is nowhere. |
22:48 |
verisimilitude |
Hey, www.loper-os.org is down. |
22:50 |
signpost |
works here |
22:51 |
verisimilitude |
Nevermind then. |