00:00 |
asciilifeform |
whereas #1 chumpatronicists interested mainly in 'cash out' (i.e. sell their hodl to a #2 for the proverbial '30 pieces of silver') |
00:01 |
asciilifeform |
anyways none of this is news or afaik esp. audacious conjecture. |
00:09 |
jonsykkel |
are the selfchains meant to be persistent if restart prog? how to update iwthout causing >900 fork? |
00:10 |
jonsykkel |
maby this is what getdata is for |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
jonsykkel: is what getdata's for |
00:10 |
jonsykkel |
i see |
00:11 |
asciilifeform |
(with getdata, you also get the ability to talk 'into a bag' and ejaculate the contents of said bag opportunistically. may come in handy for stations w/ intermittent connectivity...) |
00:12 |
asciilifeform |
likewise you get usenet-style threading (once somebody writes a non-irc-style frontend) |
00:14 |
jonsykkel |
good stuff |
00:15 |
asciilifeform |
well, prospective good stuff. we dun have it yet. |
00:15 |
asciilifeform |
at the rate thimbronion is going , tho, i suspect we'll have it soon. |
00:15 |
jonsykkel |
so i guess upon rebooting after update you would just recursivly getdata backwards until selfchain matches with stored value? |
00:16 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
00:16 |
jonsykkel |
makes sens now |
00:16 |
asciilifeform |
a++ |
00:16 |
asciilifeform |
also gives you a (distributed) log, of a kind |
00:17 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. potentially could have a pest client w/ 'scrollback' a la certain heathen chats |
00:17 |
jonsykkel |
lol |
00:17 |
asciilifeform |
for so long as someone on your pestnet has the old stuff, you'll be able to see it. |
00:17 |
jonsykkel |
very nice |
00:17 |
asciilifeform |
(and, recursively, your peers will too) |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
orthogonally to all of this, asciilifeform was asked (in meatspace) 'can i make an equivalent of old-style moderated group w/ pest?' -- answr is 'you can, if you can find folx who want to inhabit one, simply pick a moderator and peer with him in star topology' |
00:21 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. the pest topology is general enuff to allow emulation of heathen one, if someone needed such a thing. |
00:22 |
asciilifeform |
the beauty is that if the participants get tired of their 'star', they can go and link up among themselves and cut him out. |
00:22 |
jonsykkel |
heh never thoguht of that |
00:22 |
asciilifeform |
lotsa things you could do. |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
is what generality gets you -- folx can do things not necessarily described prior. |
00:23 |
jonsykkel |
beginning to see the light |
00:24 |
* |
asciilifeform would say 'will be interesting when over9000 folx see the light' but chances are we won't find out about it |
00:25 |
jonsykkel |
unless you backdoor it quickly |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
'obfuscated pestron contest'!111 |
00:25 |
jonsykkel |
epic |
00:27 |
asciilifeform |
fwiw asciilifeform suspects that there were folx 'using pest' long before i described it on www, and before thimbronion wrote his pre-pest thing, or even before any of us were wanking re 'gossipd', etc. |
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00:27 |
asciilifeform |
the algo is simply too obvious not to have been implemented somewhere. |
00:28 |
asciilifeform |
simply neither asciilifeform nor other folx tuned in, know'em. and they've never felt the desire to say hello. |
00:28 |
jonsykkel |
ye wouldnt be too surprised if something vaguely similar exists at least |
00:28 |
asciilifeform |
jonsykkel: i'm satisfied that it dun exist publicly. |
00:29 |
jonsykkel |
prolly not as clean spek tho |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
jonsykkel: there's a buncha rubbish moxyware, not discussing it |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
100% usg honeypot |
00:30 |
asciilifeform |
(complete w/ centrally pushed 'updates' to clients etc) |
00:31 |
asciilifeform |
( this equiv.class automatically includes anyffin running on pnojes & similar ) |
00:31 |
jonsykkel |
dont even need centrally pushed depending on users |
00:31 |
asciilifeform |
jonsykkel: yea but it always is, is how lusers admin their softs |
00:31 |
asciilifeform |
'have you updated' |
00:31 |
jonsykkel |
gotta stay secure |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
the very notion that a piece of softs could be permanently finished, afaik srsly discussed publicly only here. |
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00:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-15 21:29:41 asciilifeform: a properly-adaized replacement-trb (i.e. with ZERO traces of derpcoad and demonstrably bug-free) would be what one could call 'permanent software' |
00:34 |
jonsykkel |
i suspect youre right about that |
00:35 |
jonsykkel |
i think djikstra said something about version numbers being nonsense |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
it's a terrifying egowound to the typical derpware author (esp. if addicted to 'feeling significant' -- 'how will i stay at the center of things if a proggy can be finished??!!' ) |
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00:35 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-17 15:18:33 asciilifeform: near as asciilifeform can tell, the 'dread' is mainly an affliction of folx who were hooked on the drug of 'feeling significant' (typically via bureaucracy) and 'their lying eyes' contradict |
00:35 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-14 11:55:48 asciilifeform: i.e. as soon as perp starts to notice that he's no longer the dominant miner, will 'upgrade' the pow, and the chumps will eat it up (given as they ate a shitcoin to begin with, being chumps) |
00:35 |
vex |
thoughts on pest being bolted to trb asciilifeform? |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
vex: it's an elementary use case once we have it in sumthing other than a snail interp. lang |
00:36 |
asciilifeform |
( see also discussion ) |
00:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-11 10:21:00 thimbronion: asciilifeform: what is your rationale for running trb on top of Pest? Hiding trb nodes w/o tor? |
00:37 |
asciilifeform |
imho is not the easiest nor most interesting use case discussed thus far, but defo belongs on the list. |
00:38 |
vex |
interesting perhaps for a black hashing cartel |
00:38 |
asciilifeform |
arguably only 'comes into its own' once you can make a completely pestronic path to miners, aha |
00:38 |
vex |
block |
00:39 |
asciilifeform |
imho it doesn't make sense to put sweat in it until there's a trb that doesn't verify in o(n^2) and doesn't wedge, lol |
00:39 |
asciilifeform |
atm diddled connectivity aint the main natural enemy of trb noades. |
00:39 |
* |
asciilifeform spent a rather long time under the misconception that it was; presently satisfied that (at the moment) it aint |
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02:07 |
vex |
crtdaydreams: are you parsing the logs? get a napkin my son, I've got some calulations for ya |
02:15 |
* |
vex wants this |
02:15 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-17 10:11:01 shinohai: Montevideo Vice, where BingoBoingo and local sluts bust up pirate tit rings off the coast. |
02:27 |
vex |
With Santiago Segura as The HarbourMaster |
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03:43 |
vex |
did you manange to swap your bullshit out for something useful crtdaydreams? |
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03:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-14 00:42:17 cdd: I'd like to ask (I'm not sure if this is the right channel to ask on) if I could purchase bitcoin in exchange for monero? |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
03:58 |
vex |
shit like this make my olfactory sesors go wild |
04:03 |
vex |
i did like that meta video tho |
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~ 29 minutes ~ |
04:32 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevxZvSJLk8 i'm reminded of katy purry |
04:45 |
vex |
In caffine news /me takes a heavy ristretto or two erry dawn |
04:46 |
vex |
3 moar at breakfast etc |
04:54 |
vex |
verisimilitude, anyone tells ytou you got a problem. show them the door with an open hand |
05:06 |
vex |
only fat cunts have heart problems |
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05:09 |
vex |
mebbe dial back on those bakery treats signpost |
05:10 |
vex |
never tell anyone what to do. i'm the only hypocryte |
05:12 |
vex |
I don't even kn ow what it means; they dont teach the classics in oz |
05:13 |
vex |
I am super keen to test certain newbies arthmetic skills |
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05:14 |
vex |
send somone sensible |
05:26 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O0wp-zJmUE |
05:29 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSMyBm9QMLQ |
05:32 |
signpost |
fak u buddy, fite me |
05:33 |
vex |
nah tx. look here |
05:34 |
vex |
i get off the plane, i get handed a 6 shootewr |
05:34 |
signpost |
well that's just polite. hawaii has the flower necklaces or w/e |
05:34 |
vex |
i won't go there, they take fingerfrints |
05:35 |
signpost |
scan your balls with microwaves too |
05:35 |
vex |
can I get a 6 inch lei? |
05:35 |
signpost |
right in the middle of the distribution; decent odds |
05:36 |
signpost |
anyway I work out *so* I can have the bakery treats |
05:38 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRtvqT_wMeY |
05:39 |
vex |
did they give fluffypony his watch bacvk? |
05:42 |
vex |
i'm thinking prolly yes |
05:46 |
vex |
I love you signpost |
05:49 |
vex |
fwiw my ganja has huge grass hoppers lost in time. stoned forever |
05:50 |
vex |
eaters be stoned as fuck |
05:50 |
vex |
\no pesticides |
06:01 |
vex |
moxie took a lot |
06:03 |
vex |
fight me cunt. phf and I |
06:13 |
vex |
ill stomp your knee backwards |
06:19 |
signpost |
I wish phf would come back and be upset at me trying to rehash philosophy above my paygrade; great times. |
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06:19 |
vex |
right? |
06:19 |
* |
signpost afk, night vex |
06:19 |
vex |
ok. ay why |
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09:09 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066466 << wasn't speaking of "great accomplishments", basic things their parents managed, buying house, raising children, learning a trade, etc |
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09:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-17 15:16:19 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066417 << what did typical plebe 'accomplish', historically? (other than questionable point of breeding) |
09:10 |
punkman |
lulzy piece on "U.S. Agency for Global Media" https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/the-death-of-democracy |
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~ 1 hours 8 minutes ~ |
10:19 |
punkman |
some interesting observations https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/11/15/chinas-ccp-concealed-sars-cov-2-presence-in-china-as-far-back-as-march-2018/ |
10:22 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-18#1066621 << related, popular meme https://imgur.com/a/cf5W2Uf |
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10:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-18 04:09:40 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066466 << wasn't speaking of "great accomplishments", basic things their parents managed, buying house, raising children, learning a trade, etc |
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11:04 |
punkman |
https://wiki.chadnet.org/ |
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13:19 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: nifty mirror. sadly full of 'martian woo', reminiscent of 1990s 'anarchist cookbook' wwws. but at least d00d had the sense to put up a zip, this is rare nowadays. |
13:20 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-18#1066617 << he's still lurking (sporadically?), in fact was the 1 who tipped off asciilifeform re drowned fuhrer |
13:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-18 01:19:12 signpost: I wish phf would come back and be upset at me trying to rehash philosophy above my paygrade; great times. |
13:20 |
PeterL |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-18#1066590 << I had a college professor, skinny fit guy, who died of a heart attack, was only 52 |
13:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-18 00:06:12 vex: only fat cunts have heart problems |
13:21 |
asciilifeform |
( hey phf, can haz plz update of vpatch www w/ thimbronion's proggy ? ) |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-18#1066625 << aha, 'the great theft'. |
13:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-18 05:22:29 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-18#1066621 << related, popular meme https://imgur.com/a/cf5W2Uf |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
( see also ) |
13:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-27 10:49:47 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.) |
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14:18 |
punkman |
"Turkish Lira in freefall, now at above 11 to 1 US$." there goes the lira again |
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14:35 |
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BingoBoingo can see Turks moving towards RU/CN/IR Alliance and dragging NATO axis uncomfortably |
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15:27 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
15:27 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $58007.14 |
15:27 |
asciilifeform |
cheapcoinz!111 |
15:27 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
15:27 |
watchglass |
Polling 17 nodes... |
15:27 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: jurov) |
15:27 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
15:27 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
15:27 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.021s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710292 |
15:27 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
15:27 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Could not connect! |
15:27 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.021s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292 |
15:27 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292 |
15:27 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
15:27 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710292 |
15:27 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.106s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
15:27 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710292 (Operator: whaack) |
15:28 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.165s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292 |
15:28 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.261s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292 |
15:28 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.314s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292 |
15:28 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.596s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292 |
15:29 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
15:34 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, in misc. ex-lulz of ex-#t folx. |
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15:53 |
signpost |
philosopher god who recited his classical education on wordpress and produced, near as I can tell, nothing but a life of financialism and porn. |
16:02 |
* |
asciilifeform lulled re the 'no vanity' bit |
16:02 |
asciilifeform |
and 'no avarice' didjaknow. |
16:04 |
signpost |
also first time meatsack was deified. |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
obv.next step!11 |
16:05 |
asciilifeform |
recall, (iirc) jurov suggested to build temple, with bronze mp with cock acolytes could sit on. |
16:05 |
signpost |
lol |
16:06 |
signpost |
this'd be a far better use of his estate (if accessible) than seed funding companies in btc |
16:06 |
signpost |
you know, the real kind. not moving coins from left to right pocket. |
16:07 |
asciilifeform |
fwiw the 4k or so of his hodl i have pubs for, haven't budged. |
16:09 |
* |
signpost could probably walk chain from deedbot if cared, but I believe he was rich. |
16:09 |
signpost |
capital gets put to work, is the point. |
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16:09 |
asciilifeform |
i dun recall anyone alleging that d00d was poor |
16:10 |
signpost |
ah yeah, re: inaccessible. would suck if true. |
16:11 |
asciilifeform |
sux for the chix, a++ for errybody else |
16:12 |
asciilifeform |
btc is sorta like a tontine. |
16:14 |
signpost |
I'm fine with the outcome, but capital wielded correctly makes the whole realm richer too |
16:14 |
asciilifeform |
this goes for all the early hodlers similarly |
16:14 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-17 18:33:01 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066486 << there's imho a quite serious systemic defect in bitcoin (and no, i'm not aware of any possible 'fix') -- the reward structure favours early-adopting morons |
16:15 |
signpost |
yeah, that was why btc needed a republic, since the flaw there's social, not solvable in the money. |
16:15 |
signpost |
the morons are supposed to get squished in human societies. |
16:16 |
asciilifeform |
( see also ) |
16:16 |
asciilifeform |
indeed social. |
16:19 |
* |
asciilifeform saw 'needs republic' as direct consequence of the fact that the tree bitcoin sits on -- the whole komoyooting supporting stack -- being thoroughly rotten. naively imagined that megahodlers would give a damn. |
16:19 |
asciilifeform |
*kompyooting |
16:20 |
signpost |
humans always need the demonstrative crisis, which is why none of them are gods. |
16:21 |
asciilifeform |
'invent parachute on the way down' aha lol |
16:21 |
signpost |
splort |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
instead we get 'Das war ein Befehl! Der Angriff Steiners war ein Befehl! Wer sind Sie, dass Sie es wagen, sich meinem Befehl zu widersetzen? ...' |
16:27 |
signpost |
maybe we invent a social structure that deranges the executive less someday; the proto-american gents punted and built a foil-a-tron. |
16:27 |
* |
signpost bets this works for a while, then fails spectacularly due to counterpressure |
16:28 |
asciilifeform |
fails via bureaucratism |
16:29 |
asciilifeform |
humans at scale seem to have 2 settings, roughly, fuhrer and reddit |
16:29 |
asciilifeform |
bistable -- 1 collapses into the other periodically. |
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16:31 |
signpost |
inflation looks like it worked for the german phase-shift |
16:31 |
* |
asciilifeform must bbl |
16:31 |
signpost |
cya! |
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18:53 |
punkman |
"Bill Gates Says Covid Deaths May Drop to Flu Levels by Mid-2022. [...] He added the world ought to work to eradicate the flu as well in order to reduce threats from future pandemics." |
18:55 |
signpost |
strange kind of person that considers lockdowns a delightful power. |
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20:57 |
asciilifeform |
the most loathesome subspecies of lizard, the 'philanthropist'. |
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22:46 |
asciilifeform |
thinking about this -- it goes back to the boojum -- how wouldja 'put to work' proverbial 1000btc ? say someone brings it to you and 'how wouldja turn this into 3000 for me, that'd justify the risk of letting it leave my brainwallet at all?' |
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22:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-18 11:09:52 signpost: capital gets put to work, is the point. |
22:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-17 18:56:46 asciilifeform: afaik the ~only ways to get hold of the proverbial 1000btc today, is 1) fraud&theft 2) direct access to money printer with which to buy it |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
afaik there's possibly nuffin under the sun which 'yields' moar than simple hodl, even in principle. |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
even without accounting for 'sfyl' 'investments' -- as soon as the coin gets traded for fiatola, immediately gets inflated away, taxed, vig'd, etc |
22:50 |
* |
asciilifeform recalls what happened to the various #b-a era folx who wanted to 'put coin to work' |