| 00:18 |
vex |
on shitcoins: mp alluded to having orchestrated the first dao audit. was he using poetic license here? |
| |
↖ |
| 00:30 |
vex |
fuck I sound like rizzo |
| |
~ 35 minutes ~ |
| 01:06 |
vex |
the coindesk one, not the cocksucker from grease |
| |
~ 13 hours 11 minutes ~ |
| 14:17 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
| 14:17 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $61058.77 |
| 14:17 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
| 14:17 |
watchglass |
Polling 17 nodes... |
| 14:17 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 14:17 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 14:17 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.033s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 14:17 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 14:17 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=707268 |
| 14:17 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=707268 |
| 14:18 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=707219 (Operator: whaack) |
| 14:18 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.235s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268 |
| 14:18 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.305s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707267 |
| 14:18 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.149s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268 |
| 14:18 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.903s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268 |
| 14:18 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.509s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 14:18 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! |
| 14:18 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov) |
| 14:18 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! |
| 14:18 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.230s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268 |
| 14:19 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
| |
~ 1 hours 24 minutes ~ |
| 15:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-28#1062219 << d00d similarly 'alluded to' e.g. derailing the clitler potus campaign. y'know, rather like how 'isis claimed' erry gas explosion in erry arab shithole for yrs |
| 15:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-28 20:18:19 vex: on shitcoins: mp alluded to having orchestrated the first dao audit. was he using poetic license here? |
| 15:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-28#1062218 << asciilifeform aint a subscriber to the mp school of blogging, y'know the one where you post photo of erry meal you eat and the shit you took |
| |
↖ ↖ ↖ |
| 15:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-28 19:28:09 vex: can't wait to see alf's bricklaying... I expect the cnc brickbot is already half built |
| 15:45 |
asciilifeform |
imho it makes for very tedious read. |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 16:08 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Shuffling stuff around, likely to be back |
| 16:08 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: a++ |
| 16:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Meanwhile looking at a Rockchip board laying around lead to seeing http://en.t-firefly.com/news/info/index/id/522.html |
| |
↖ |
| 16:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Apparently the folks who made the boards now make their own rackmount clusters... Or at least advertise making them |
| 16:09 |
* |
asciilifeform has massive stockpile of the classic rk, expects will last rather long time |
| 16:10 |
BingoBoingo |
lol at the audio jack's lable here http://en.t-firefly.com/ueditor/php/upload/image/20200427/1587979260500248.jpg |
| 16:10 |
BingoBoingo |
"phone/recover key" |
| 16:11 |
asciilifeform |
lolwat what key |
| 16:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Right? |
| 16:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Is Chicom board maker leaking that audio jack really is made to leak shit |
| 16:13 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: could be similar to 'pinebook's audio-cum-rs232console thing |
| 16:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Well both run RK chips |
| 16:14 |
asciilifeform |
recall how rs232 on classic rk3328 was a bitch to connect |
| 16:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Yes |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 16:34 |
* |
asciilifeform notices conspicuous lack of advertised price in the linked item |
| 16:35 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. 'enterprisey' scamola. |
| |
~ 1 hours 11 minutes ~ |
| 17:46 |
mats |
https://mudit.blog/cream-hack-analysis |
| 17:51 |
asciilifeform |
'attacker borrowed $1.5b of Yearn’s yUSD vault shares against $2b worth of collateral' << lulzy imaginary sums (typical of genre) |
| 17:51 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 11:00:15 asciilifeform: i.e. the creator of whatever supposed-bug enables the 'ohnoez $xxx mil is gone' (and notice how always reported as an imaginary usd loss, RIAA-style!) |
| 17:52 |
asciilifeform |
( see also ) |
| 17:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-10 11:45:21 asciilifeform: whaack: recall, where they calculated 'losses' by multiplying '# of warez downloads' by what the disk cost |
| 17:52 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. supposed 'worth' of $shitcoin (created by washtrading) multiplied by # supposedly pinched. |
| |
↖ |
| 17:54 |
asciilifeform |
'They can now default and take home a sweet $1b profit.' << lol as if. |
| 18:00 |
mats |
flash loans are interesting |
| 18:01 |
mats |
borrow as much money as you want so long as you pay it back in the same contract |
| 18:01 |
mats |
and oracles everywheres |
| 18:02 |
asciilifeform |
oracles? |
| 18:04 |
mats |
an ethereum api thing that lets contracts get price feeds |
| 18:05 |
asciilifeform |
a |
| 18:05 |
asciilifeform |
mats: from where? |
| 18:08 |
mats |
'oracle providers' i think, so outfits similar to coinmarketcap probably |
| 18:08 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. via www ? |
| 18:08 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders what happens if $gox supplies ('accidentally') arbitrarily diddled #s |
| |
↖ |
| 18:09 |
mats |
it killed the mpex options market |
| 18:09 |
mats |
i dunno how it works really |
| 18:10 |
* |
asciilifeform lulz at 'autonomous, smart' crapola with unattended automatic promisetronium intakes from www |
| 18:13 |
mats |
meanwhile, ethereum goes to all time highs |
| 18:16 |
mats |
i'm starting to come around to the idea that btc and eth could share oxygen for a very long time |
| 18:17 |
mats |
bimetallism endured for almost a century in usa |
| 18:20 |
mats |
depending on the battle among the 'smart contract' stupids ethereum, cardano, solana, etc, considering hedging 1% on the strongest contender in a future bear market |
| |
↖ |
| 18:21 |
mats |
heresy, i know |
| 18:31 |
asciilifeform |
mats: shitcoins prolly aint ever going away entirely aha |
| 18:31 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-28 13:49:55 asciilifeform: shitcoins remain the most reliable scheme for turning over9000 morons' pocket change into some btc, afaik. |
| 18:32 |
mats |
and we are probably many years from a 'crime of 1873' decisively forcing a winner |
| 18:34 |
asciilifeform |
mats: what would count to you as 'winner' ? |
| 18:35 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. already there's exactly 1 coin with deterministic supply, and w/out a central reich controller forcing 'upgrades' periodically |
| 18:37 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. there's bitcoin, and a buncha maggoting on top of it. |
| 18:39 |
mats |
second largest market staying significantly below 10% of btc (or eth, or ...) indefinitely |
| 18:40 |
mats |
ethbtc is at 0.07 atm |
| 18:40 |
asciilifeform |
mats: considering the ease of drumming up a positive notional exch rate for a shitcoin, prolly will continue in this style 4evah |
| 18:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-29 13:52:39 asciilifeform: i.e. supposed 'worth' of $shitcoin (created by washtrading) multiplied by # supposedly pinched. |
| 18:41 |
mats |
too early to call it, now that pimco, pension fund(s), institutions are inching into cryptoassets |
| 18:41 |
asciilifeform |
well into papercrypto. |
| 18:42 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose at some point some hamhanded idjicy by reich (e.g. 'haircutting' deposits held in goxes en masse) could cure (some subset of) goxmorons, in principle. |
| 18:42 |
mats |
some financial plumbers, like NYDIG, enable folks to do their own custody |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
mats: how do you do the 'leverage' margin crapola if you actually hold the keys ? |
| 18:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-05-05 19:59:44 asciilifeform: as a rule, they're entirely happy to buy promisecoin, so can 'leverage' and 'play'. |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
afaik in all of these 'own custody' setups, there's a multisigism where in fact 'your' coin can still be moved by someone != you |
| 18:44 |
mats |
i don't expect shops like pimco or a firefighter's pension fund will do anything riskier than buying cryptoassets |
| 18:45 |
mats |
family offices, hedges more likely to leverage |
| 18:45 |
asciilifeform |
what exactly is there that's riskier than buying (gox-stored!) shitcoin, tho ? |
| 18:45 |
asciilifeform |
shitcoin-perp can decide to 'cash out' (incl. via supposed 'hack') at any time. |
| 18:45 |
mats |
i just said that self custody is possible |
| 18:46 |
mats |
multisig is a legitimate concern, but so is bus factor |
| 18:46 |
asciilifeform |
if 'bus factor' != 1, the coin aint yours. |
| 18:46 |
asciilifeform |
seems elementary imho. |
| 18:47 |
mats |
companies are made out of multiple stakeholders, they can come to their own arrangements over coffee |
| 18:48 |
mats |
maybe (shock!) all the multisig participants trust each other |
| 18:48 |
asciilifeform |
aha, each other, + the softs, + the iron, the sysadmins, the janitors... |
| 18:49 |
asciilifeform |
will be interesting to witness the 1st (publicly admitted) 'we have no idea where the coinz went' carlforcing |
| |
↖ |
| 18:57 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-29#1062280 << not a rare occurence |
| 18:57 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-29 14:08:42 asciilifeform: wonders what happens if $gox supplies ('accidentally') arbitrarily diddled #s |
| 18:58 |
punkman |
I don't see how they will ever solve the oracle problem |
| 18:59 |
punkman |
https://www.longhash.com/en/news/3324/DeFi%E2%80%99s-Oracle-Problem-May-Not-Be-Solvable |
| 18:59 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: they dun need to 'solve' it, folx apparently even knowing this are unable to resist sticking cock in the bear trap. |
| 19:01 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: asciilifeform wrote about this in '12, and errything still 100% holds. |
| 19:03 |
asciilifeform |
the very notion of a solution to this 'problem' is laughable. |
| 19:03 |
punkman |
could say it's the fundamental problem of smartcontract-ism. no way to get data about real world without a trusted party |
| 19:04 |
asciilifeform |
not even to mention the 'trusted' (lol) party of the central controller in a centrally-managed ('upgradeable', uncapped-supply) shitcoin. |
| 19:05 |
asciilifeform |
'ohai btw we're switching from proof-of-work to piece-of-shit next tues. kthx bye' |
| 19:06 |
asciilifeform |
'dao got pwned but that's ok, we'll unhappen it with hardcoded tx blacklist' etc |
| 19:08 |
asciilifeform |
shitcoinism is inevitable , like fungus in a grain silo (and i suspect that if it were possible to invest in the fungus -- some folx would do so) but is exactly in the role of fungus. |
| |
↖ ↖ |
| 19:09 |
asciilifeform |
'grain is up 200% , and fungus also up 200%!' like eth etc |
| 19:12 |
asciilifeform |
'second largest entity!111' |
| |
~ 4 hours 7 minutes ~ |
| 23:19 |
thimbronion |
grr. KEY conflicts with some shitty weechat command. |
| |
↖ |
| |
~ 30 minutes ~ |
| 23:50 |
verisimilitude |
It's a good thing I continually push back writing my review of the Pinebook Pro. |
| 23:50 |
verisimilitude |
Now in addition to the occasional failure of X11 or Wayland or whatever, I can write about how it logged me out and corrupted some of the filesystem. |