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10:57 asciilifeform !w poll
10:57 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
10:57 watchglass : Could not connect!
10:57 watchglass : Could not connect!
10:57 watchglass : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=683874
10:57 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=684092
10:57 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.083s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684092
10:57 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.105s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684092 (Operator: asciilifeform)
10:57 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.130s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684092
10:57 watchglass : Alive: (0.155s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684092
10:57 watchglass : Alive: (0.206s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684092
10:57 watchglass : Alive: (0.216s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=684092 (Operator: whaack)
10:57 watchglass : Alive: (0.278s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684092
10:57 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.245s) V=88888 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=684092
10:57 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.345s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412049 (Operator: jurov)
10:58 watchglass : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: trinque)
10:59 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
10:59 btcinfobot Current BTC price in USD: $43275.86
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11:31 asciilifeform interestingly, wg autoreconnected today, but did not autojoin the chan. (my bots join but do not verify the success.) if anyone knows how to verify result of a join on fleanode, plox to write in.
11:31 asciilifeform this is the 3rd, iirc, such incident to date, since asciilifeform wrote the orig. variant (aug. '19)
11:39 thimbronion WRT freenode's gradual death, what was the objection to running an irc server (or servers) on own boxen with strict firewall settings only allowing whitelisted ips? No drop ins?
11:40 asciilifeform thimbronion: ip whitelist is not only a pain for folx on radio modems & the like, but a joke from security pov
11:41 asciilifeform thimbronion: on top of this, irc as we have it forces either plaintext pw, or sslism, both of which suck
11:43 thimbronion << asciilifeform: re: ips, due to some kind of spoofing or what?
11:43 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 11:40:42 asciilifeform: thimbronion: ip whitelist is not only a pain for folx on radio modems & the like, but a joke from security pov
11:44 asciilifeform thimbronion: aha, trivially
11:55 asciilifeform thimbronion: on the subj of 'gradual death of fleanode' -- for some yrs now it has been owned by nsa. most likely simply for the ease of hijacking simplistic orcish botnets which use irctronic command mechanism. erry once in a while they switch out the front company which 'owns' it.
11:55 asciilifeform overall thing has sucked more or less same since '14. and will prolly live on, while sucking, for decades (like aol 'lives' today, believe or not)
11:56 asciilifeform this is not to propose 'happily live in fleanode 4evah', naturally.
12:03 thimbronion So not a top priority to get off then.
12:05 asciilifeform thimbronion: to a hypothetical genuinely-p2p net -- would happily move. to an ad-hoc micro-fleanode clone that goes down regularly -- not so much
~ 1 hours 23 minutes ~
13:28 billymg asciilifeform: i've got your logger running now. i'm working on some custom styling for it. your html is killing me lol
13:29 asciilifeform billymg: lol what's wrong with it?
13:29 billymg i hope you don't mind me rewriting some of it and submitting a patch. i'm also adding a 'css_file' knob to the config for easy theme switching
13:29 asciilifeform billymg: rewrite as you like, i'ma even mirror (and perhaps use) your variant, if improved
13:30 billymg your current live theme will be preserved as 'classic.css' -- i promise to have it be a pixel-perfect recreation
13:32 asciilifeform billymg: outta curiosity, what, roughly, didja change ?
13:35 billymg asciilifeform: not complete yet, but for instance:
13:36 billymg things like that
13:36 asciilifeform billymg: the most egregious sharp edge i've not had time to sand off, is the channel menu, it could be generated with 1 sql query rather than N, in principle
13:36 asciilifeform iirc ~90% of the load time is spent there
13:37 asciilifeform ( 'gen_chanlist' concretely )
13:38 billymg asciilifeform: cool, i'll take a look at that as well then. for now i just need to do some basics on the html/css side to make it palatable to designers and other frontend monkeys (such as myself)
13:38 asciilifeform likewise the dead/legacy chans really oughta be displayed in a row below the living. but this is secondary.
13:38 asciilifeform aite.
13:45 asciilifeform billymg: see if you can think of a way to make the full chan list, of hypothetically arbitrary length, not spill off screen
13:46 asciilifeform (~without~ scroll bars or anything equivalent, that is)
13:48 billymg asciilifeform: each chan item isn't particularly wide, normally in cases where you have menus with N not-very-wide items they go to the left or right side in a vertical orientation
13:48 asciilifeform ugh
13:48 asciilifeform i use vertical displays, billymg . and ~hate~ horiz. space eaters.
13:49 asciilifeform (and yes on asciilifeform's www, still using such a layout. but strictly from lack of satisfactory replacement.)
13:51 billymg i can't imagine any layout where your www's sidebar is arranged horizontally (without the use of some kind of JS dropdown menus or a ton of scrolling -- or wrapping, where must scroll 3 pages down before actual content starts)
13:52 asciilifeform ugh no ty
13:52 billymg yeah, exactly
13:52 billymg there's a reason it's arranged in a sidebar, because given the physical constraints it's the best layout
13:54 billymg and in your www even without changing the sidebar you could still gain a significant amount of horizontal real estate simply by letting the layout expand to 100% of the viewport width
13:54 billymg but imo that's not necessary either
13:54 billymg when i read a book the pages aren't 3ft wide, and in newspapers the text is arranged into columns
13:55 asciilifeform billymg: i left it as it currently is so as to display correctly on heathen 'wide' displays
13:56 billymg asciilifeform: can use combination of width: 100%; max-width: 1024px; (for example)
13:56 asciilifeform interesting, will try at some pt
13:56 * asciilifeform wonders what browser incompatibilities this'll reveal
13:57 asciilifeform not 1 cssism knob i've touched to date, worx 100% portably
13:57 billymg asciilifeform: sadly this is true
13:58 asciilifeform billymg: this is why historically asciilifeform did his best to avoid the whole subject. it doesn't pay off.
13:58 asciilifeform it is just about impossible to 'have what to show' for the effort.
13:59 asciilifeform and i'm profoundly uninterested in 'oops, chrome released new version, must rewrite' lifestyle.
13:59 asciilifeform btw i stole the original stylesheet from phf.
13:59 asciilifeform (with very minor changes)
14:03 billymg asciilifeform: when i originally started as an intern one still had to support IE6, after that the new stuff is a walk in the park for me, hardly even have to think about it while doing it
~ 55 minutes ~
14:59 verisimilitude Even my very simple CSS has required some changes to accomodate edge cases.
15:00 verisimilitude It disgusted me.
15:04 verisimilitude The companies are giving up on it, and going to ``canvas rendering''.
15:05 verisimilitude Perhaps asciilifeform should consider producing PDFs or having a Gopher hole as well.
15:10 billymg asciilifeform: speaking of inconsistencies, do you see your search bar as centered or left aligned on your currently live logger?
15:10 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 13:57:02 asciilifeform: not 1 cssism knob i've touched to date, worx 100% portably
15:11 billymg i've always seen it centered, but just opened in a different browser and noticed it's left aligned
15:11 asciilifeform billymg: centered
15:11 billymg asciilifeform: do you mind if i ask which browser/version?
15:12 * billymg wonders if anyone else is using a browser that renders it on the left side
15:13 billymg for me it's firefox 78 that's rendering it to the left
15:24 asciilifeform billymg: all i have here is various versions of chrome & chromium
15:25 billymg asciilifeform: ah, got it. and that's what i was using before so never noticed it not centered
15:25 asciilifeform ... and of course 'lynx', which renders correctly (centered)
15:27 billymg asciilifeform: will test there as well
15:27 asciilifeform billymg: ty
15:38 asciilifeform << imho pdf Must Die, it is a simply evil format designed to cripple. that it remains the only printer-edible vector graphics format is a crime of negligence on the part of the browser people, rather than an achievement of pdf perps.
15:38 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 15:05:57 verisimilitude: Perhaps asciilifeform should consider producing PDFs or having a Gopher hole as well.
15:39 asciilifeform as for gopher, i dun use it, wai would i host it ? via what mechanism would e.g. comments work, in a hypothetical neo-gopherism ?
15:40 asciilifeform (will refrain from asking, e.g. 'and which 3 people will read it')
15:42 asciilifeform << this is being done simply to try to cripple ad filters.
15:42 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 15:04:13 verisimilitude: The companies are giving up on it, and going to ``canvas rendering''.
15:42 asciilifeform ( exactly same thing which motivates google et al's push to 'ssl errywhere' incidentally )
15:43 asciilifeform it's indeed about 'security'... against YOU, the machine owner.
15:46 verisimilitude Yes.
15:48 verisimilitude Some find the idea that encryption being pushed for such couldn't be true; they talk of thwarting corporate and governmental spying, ignoring the certificate authorities entirely.
15:48 asciilifeform verisimilitude: y'know, it dun cost usg much, this nonsense. most of the shills work for phree.
15:49 asciilifeform folx who bought the usg.authored dichotomy, where 'what do you mean, not ssl? then plaintext errywhere?' automatically serve in this army.
15:50 asciilifeform as do any and all supporters of 'pki' as a concept, under whatever pretext.
15:50 verisimilitude I'm careful with how I write; I called them ``Some'' and not ``People''.
15:50 asciilifeform lol
15:52 asciilifeform verisimilitude: it isn't even simply about the cert authorities, but rather a multi-layered shit sandwich, with multi-kilogram 'standards' documents, mandatory null ciphers, ~impossible to implement w/out subtle bugs, regular 'upgrades', and many more
15:52 verisimilitude I don't much care about hiding communications, compared to ensuring authenticity.
15:52 verisimilitude TLS is useless for both.
15:54 verisimilitude My connection to Freenode isn't encrypted, because it's too insignificant to care.
15:55 asciilifeform verisimilitude: just about any even half-serious business requires 'hiding'. ( if you can't pgp addrs/de-pgp pw's -- cannot use my isp, for instance.)
15:57 * asciilifeform bbl.
15:57 verisimilitude How would the idealized Freenode replacement work; would everyone write to a shared key, or write N signed copies?
16:08 asciilifeform verisimilitude: no shared keys.
16:10 asciilifeform verisimilitude: subj has a rather long history. various folx, incl. asciilifeform , proposed various schemes, but so far each of them imho 'worse than nothing', on acct of various fatal flaws.
16:11 * asciilifeform holds that illusory security is considerably worse than none at all.
16:14 * asciilifeform also not very interested in schemes which are narrowly specific to chat, or www replacement. instead interested in general-purpose replacement for tcp, riding on top of existing net but with rsa pubkeys as deliverable addresses, zero knobs that unauthenticated ddosers can expensively push (incl. using captured authentic payloads) and complete opacity of traffic to any third party.
16:14 verisimilitude I agree regarding illusory security.
16:15 asciilifeform the main obstacle currently is that non-leaking rsa is slow on pc.
16:15 snsabot (trilema) 2019-09-06 asciilifeform: ( btw , for thread-completeness -- you need 4096 modexp in < 3.8 ~microsecond~ to eat GB at line-rate. )
16:16 * asciilifeform bbl
16:16 verisimilitude So, once this major work be finished, chat comes easily.
16:17 verisimilitude That would certainly remove the drudgery I was imagining.
~ 29 minutes ~
16:46 verisimilitude I wouldn't be comfortable with an RSA key being directly attached to the Internet; surely it would be feasible to have a configuration with only the public key used to accept or reject blocks for later.
16:47 asciilifeform verisimilitude: verification only req's the signer's pub , in asymmetric crypto
16:47 asciilifeform verisimilitude: only transmission requires (your) privkey
16:47 verisimilitude Yes.
16:48 verisimilitude Alright then.
16:49 verisimilitude I can envision a setup where a GNU/Linux passes blocks to a much older machine holding the private key, over a basic serial line, say.
16:50 asciilifeform verisimilitude: for e.g. pgpism, this is already what most folx do. for realtime applications, not practical
16:50 verisimilitude How is it impractical?
16:51 asciilifeform verisimilitude: carrying e.g. each chat line by hand to the bunker where the machine w/ launch codes lives ?!
16:52 asciilifeform this worx for pgpgrams, where one might receive a handful/day
16:53 asciilifeform serial port is universal favourite, but 'cargo cultistically' imho -- if yer system is porous, it can be owned via serialport just as well as via ethernet; and aside from this, suppose i want to transmit at line rate ? now instead of 1G/s it's 115.2kB/s?
16:54 asciilifeform much of what constitutes 'best practice' -- and not only in 'official' seekoorityism, but in supposedly-'dissident' lit -- is half- usg.fud, half- cargocultism.
16:55 verisimilitude Well, the idea is to have a very simple line protocol, and then just ensure at least the private side is correct.
16:55 asciilifeform verisimilitude: right, but point being that this does not magically take place by using slow modem.
16:55 asciilifeform (and, conversely, is not magically undone, if correctly done, by using a fast one)
16:56 verisimilitude It merely requires a simple line and not, say, USB.
16:57 asciilifeform usb is fundamentally evil.
16:57 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-10 22:35:06 asciilifeform: could spend fucking ~year implementing e.g. even usb1. i did...
16:57 asciilifeform (but again, not 'because fast'.)
16:58 asciilifeform it's one of those false dichotomies crafted by the Enemy.
16:58 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 15:49:37 asciilifeform: folx who bought the usg.authored dichotomy, where 'what do you mean, not ssl? then plaintext errywhere?' automatically serve in this army.
16:59 asciilifeform there's no fundamental reason that ye olde rs232 could not run at multi-Gb/s over optics. the use of gnarly idiocies instead is purely for political reasons.
17:05 verisimilitude Is such RS232 available?
17:06 asciilifeform verisimilitude: where, at corner shop? lol
17:06 asciilifeform it's available when you're designing a machine and os to go with it.
17:07 asciilifeform rs232 tutorial for the innocent. you can do it over anything you like, including flags on a flag pole, or steam whistles, or whatever.
17:07 asciilifeform y'know, like morse.
17:07 asciilifeform it's simply a line protocol.
17:08 asciilifeform ( fwiw the only 1 known to asciilifeform that existed as a soviet 'GOST' standard almost as soon as promulgated in the 'civilized' world.. )
17:11 asciilifeform for reference, the rs232 transmitter in FG.
17:12 asciilifeform ^ buildable via discrete components. lamps, if you like..
17:22 verisimilitude This is fun to imagine, but seems a long ways off.
17:22 verisimilitude Still, it's fun to have grand ambitions.
17:23 verisimilitude I want to replace what passes for text, and asciilifeform wants this grand IP replacement.
17:23 verisimilitude What are the ambitions of the others here?
~ 50 minutes ~
18:14 thimbronion verisimilitude: I want to create an honest online encyclopedia (in English) and build a replacement for google search.
~ 33 minutes ~
18:47 verisimilitude I presume we see Wikipedia as a cess pit, thimbronion.
18:48 thimbronion verisimilitude: it's disgusting.
18:48 verisimilitude I've had a similar fascination with the idea; I figured having a very narrow scope would allow me to write a tiny encyclopedia on those topics I'm an expert on.
18:49 verisimilitude Do keep me updated on the progress of this idea; I may offer help.
18:49 thimbronion verisimilitude: certianly!
18:50 verisimilitude Now, what is the opinion on Yacy?
18:50 thimbronion verisimilitude: I hadn't heard of it
18:54 thimbronion verisimilitude: I think where my concept would differ is where it says "all users are equal"
18:54 verisimilitude I believe I may have learned of it from my logs, but it's a decentralized WWW search.
18:55 verisimilitude Not every Yacy user runs a searching node, I figure.
18:55 verisimilitude There's also as a curiosity.
19:05 asciilifeform << got several entertaining outputs, incl. this..
19:05 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 18:55:52 verisimilitude: There's also as a curiosity.
19:07 asciilifeform verisimilitude: outta curiosity, how didja come across wiby ?
19:09 asciilifeform << it's considerably ~simpler~ than the tcp+sslism shitstack
19:09 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 17:23:32 verisimilitude: I want to replace what passes for text, and asciilifeform wants this grand IP replacement.
19:11 asciilifeform << in both cases, i suspect the key is to think about what aspects of the thing being re-created are actually desirable.
19:11 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 18:14:01 thimbronion: verisimilitude: I want to create an honest online encyclopedia (in English) and build a replacement for google search.
19:11 snsabot (trilema) 2013-12-22 asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor
19:11 asciilifeform e.g. does anyone actually ~want~ a 'search engine like google' (even the google circa 1999) ?
19:12 asciilifeform (or, possibly -- would be happier with a wot-curated list of sites by actual people..)
19:13 asciilifeform ( orig. naggum for ref. )
19:23 asciilifeform re 'wiby' -- asciilifeform hit the 'surprise' button coupla dozen times, and somewhat astonished at how many of the outputs are things he already had bookmarked for yrs!
19:23 asciilifeform that theere's the ~real~ www!!
19:31 asciilifeform meanwhile, in unrelated lulz (for trinque) .
19:33 verisimilitude I learned of it on an anonymous forum the creator used.
19:33 verisimilitude Elision is also simpler than Unicode and other such things.
19:34 asciilifeform verisimilitude: unless i catastrophically misunderstand, suffers some of very similar problems as asian unicode -- the requirement of standardizing dictionaries
19:35 verisimilitude As for what's actually desirable, I agree, and a major issue is that people value tangential characteristics a decent solution won't have, in many cases.
19:36 verisimilitude A standardized dictionary is desirable, but not a strict requirement.
19:36 asciilifeform verisimilitude: this is an ancient pestilence in what passes for computing -- skeumorphism for instance.
19:37 asciilifeform verisimilitude: how not required? i thought entire scheme was 'encode words rather than glyphs'
19:37 verisimilitude What passes for text has many useless freedoms, and I mention this, in the article.
19:38 verisimilitude A document could be paired with its dictionary, asciilifeform.
19:38 asciilifeform i'ma emphatically disagree that the freedom to emit a word not found in any dictionary is 'useless'.
19:38 asciilifeform if 'paired with its dictionary' -- reduces to what we have now + extra bulk.
19:38 verisimilitude I already cover that.
19:39 asciilifeform verisimilitude: for my edification, cite where covered ?
19:41 verisimilitude The paragraphs of note are the fifth and thirteenth.
19:43 asciilifeform verisimilitude: an important attribute of compression schemes (which is what this is, nuffin wrong with that, regardless of under what sauce served) is that it gotta ~win in avg. case~
19:43 asciilifeform 'Latin, in particular, could be stored in the dictionary as bases and infinitives, to be declined and conjugated based on an additional code paired with each word. The consequences of this are obvious. Irregular words would need to be noted as such and could be held in the dictionary less efficiently.' << lemme pick on this
19:43 asciilifeform ^ strongly suggests that verisimilitude is not a serious aficionado of eurolangs
19:43 asciilifeform where sometimes highly irregular and thorougly wordstem-mutilating declensions.
19:44 verisimilitude Those could be handled like English, where words are just thrown in, instead of something more elegant.
19:45 asciilifeform verisimilitude: realize, this is the direct equivalent of the case where you .gzip sumthing an' it gets ~heavier~ (statistically inevitable for a good % of inputs)
19:45 verisimilitude In any case, I insist computers should bend to accomodate human language, not vice-versa.
19:46 asciilifeform verisimilitude: it is tempting to agree with this, but natural languages in fact ~suck~ for expressing unambiguous statements.
19:46 verisimilitude Ideally, the cost of the dictionary isn't counted, because it's seperate.
19:46 asciilifeform at the end of the day, all costs count.
19:47 asciilifeform (unless 'separate' means that it lives on mars and martians pay for it..?)
19:47 verisimilitude Well, I may have an early English Elision available to play with soon.
19:47 * asciilifeform will read.
19:48 verisimilitude I'm not deterred; I've realized something ugly, and want to stomp it out.
19:48 asciilifeform verisimilitude: what, in your pov here, is the ugly?
19:49 verisimilitude I loathe these common character sets.
19:50 verisimilitude Unicode is already a damned approach; it takes intelligent idiots to create homoglyph attacks.
19:50 verisimilitude Imagine, asciilifeform, text necessarily identifying the language it's in.
19:51 asciilifeform the ones where 'à', 'á', 'â', 'ã', buncha similar garbage are considered separate glyphs, and their significance cannot be inferred from the constituent bits ?
19:51 asciilifeform i'ma readily agree that it's ugly.
19:52 verisimilitude I write more about it here.
19:53 asciilifeform 'it's important to note that UTF-8 was created by Ken Thompson and Rob Pike; unsurprisingly, this pair specifically designed it to have unnecessary qualities specifically for soothing the C language's delicate sensibilities. A placemat is an appropriate venue for such an encoding to have been designed. Both the ASCII NULL and ASCII / characters don't spontaneously appear in UTF-8 for other
19:53 verisimilitude Representing text as words rather than characters is the base I want to build on.
19:53 asciilifeform reasons, purely because this would burden C and POSIX, which are accustomed to being catered to and accomodating nothing.' << entirely troo
19:54 asciilifeform 'it's as if Ken Thompson thought ``I haven't done enough damage.''.' << bahaha
19:56 * asciilifeform will come back to this.
20:01 thimbronion << asciilifeform: this is closer to what I'm working towards
20:01 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 19:12:13 asciilifeform: (or, possibly -- would be happier with a wot-curated list of sites by actual people..)
20:07 * asciilifeform would ideally prefer it -- and ALL other wot operations -- as an integrated system. but would take what can get.
20:07 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 16:14:09 asciilifeform: also not very interested in schemes which are narrowly specific to chat, or www replacement. instead interested in general-purpose replacement for tcp, riding on top of existing net but with rsa pubkeys as deliverable addresses, zero knobs that unauthenticated ddosers can expensively push (incl. using captured authentic payloads) and complete opacity of traffic to any third party.
~ 1 hours 11 minutes ~
21:19 trinque << weird that they intend to rebuild all republican artifacts as they were.
21:19 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-18 19:31:48 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in unrelated lulz (for trinque) .
21:19 trinque as they were didn't work.
21:20 trinque (leaving aside the "use this guy's wot with whom we don't speak", lol)
21:27 asciilifeform trinque: recall, those are the folx trying to get rich by selling e.g. trb, FG, even asciilifeform's junkbin data diode . wainot also trinque's piece...
21:27 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-02 13:26:15 asciilifeform: in other noose, i was a little surprised to learn that jfw's optoisolator product is literally the same kit as my lab bench one. i wouldn't have done that; that thing is pretty fragile.
21:29 asciilifeform iirc the only new bits they had were the rubbish linux and tinyscheme tx encoder (which demanded 2way access to a running trb..)
21:29 asciilifeform + of course vehehery fancy powerpoints w/ mp's face etc
21:31 asciilifeform the business model imho betrayed a kind of childlike naivete -- where to teach elderly anglosaxon 'high net worth' parasites to run a trb noad...
21:32 trinque yep, best of luck with that.
21:33 trinque truly HNW pay other humans to hold, give zero shits how.
21:33 asciilifeform until encounter 'ceausescu's chopper pilot' problem. which is as it oughta be imho.
21:34 trinque at any rate, "wot" that is not a global, distributed protocol is not interesting to me. they can have it.
21:34 asciilifeform ^
21:34 * trinque bbl
21:36 asciilifeform can't speak for other folx, but i find the psychology fascinating. clearly 'larping' an imagined 'upper crust' 'america as it was great-again'. 'like troo ceo, not like dirty lab niggers.' complete with golf.
~ 29 minutes ~
22:05 mats that particular M1 chart has been making the rounds for some time, and its misunderstood every time its reshared
22:08 mats i thought one of those guys started in finance
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