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01:32 verisimilitude I didn't, asciilifeform.
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09:15 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
09:15 asciilifeform shinohai: bot fell ?
09:15 asciilifeform !w poll
09:15 watchglass Polling 15 nodes...
09:15 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.021s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680051
09:15 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
09:15 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
09:15 watchglass 108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.038s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273 (Operator: asciilifeform)
09:15 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
09:15 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
09:15 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.083s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
09:15 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
09:15 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680273 (Operator: whaack)
09:15 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.223s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
09:15 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.161s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
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09:31 shinohai $ticker btc usd
09:31 btcinfobot Current BTC price in USD: $48799
09:34 * shinohai is starting to think ircbot is just a -ev operation - costs more $ and headache to constantly run/restart than worth.
~ 56 minutes ~
10:30 asciilifeform shinohai: didja ever genesis full src for that bot ? asciilifeform likely could find why it won't reconnect
~ 28 minutes ~
10:58 shinohai asciilifeform: Same reply as the last 5 times you asked, was published to blog last summer http://btc.info.gf/blog/botworks---ircbot-and-logbot-genesis.html
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11:21 asciilifeform shinohai: maybe i already asked this also, but : http://btc.info.gf/devel/lisp/botworks/ only seems to contain the trinque/ben_vulpes foundational patches. didja ever post the src that corresponds to btcinfobot as it runs today ? i.e. w/ the piece that sucks in exch rates etc ?
11:22 asciilifeform that's where the 'botworks tree' link points
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12:59 verisimilitude Amusingly, people are apparently very concerned about that Bitcoin price drop.
12:59 asciilifeform verisimilitude: lol noobs
12:59 asciilifeform verisimilitude: it's a ~random #
13:00 asciilifeform (for all practical purposes)
13:04 verisimilitude Yes.
13:05 asciilifeform see also.
13:05 snsabot Logged on 2020-08-11 12:16:10 asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, will add that also makes sense if you're privy to the swings of the extraction engine the enemy is running, and can 'buy cheap, sell dear' repeatedly. but i dun expect that any such folx are tuned in.
13:08 asciilifeform a major moving part behind the price swings are the people who run this heat engine -- 1) spread fud re bitcoin 2) 'buy the dip' 3) drum up enthusiasm among morons 4) sell dear 5) goto 1, nao w/ moar coin, extracted from morons on both strokes of the engine piston
13:09 asciilifeform this engine's been whirring for as long as the chrematists have been involved. i.e. since '12 or so.
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14:26 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034495 <<< "Bitcoin down 20%, I HAD 1 BTC AND WOKE UP NOW ONLY 0.8 OMG!!!"
14:26 snsabot Logged on 2021-04-23 12:59:39 verisimilitude: Amusingly, people are apparently very concerned about that Bitcoin price drop.
14:26 asciilifeform lollomatic
14:40 asciilifeform shinohai: if we still had a qntra, i'd make infographic of the engine. as it is, this summary will have to suffice.
14:49 shinohai Sadly, the few that would even understand the likbez infographic are present in this chan, all others are of the above-mentioned "drum up enthusiasm among morons" camp.
14:50 asciilifeform shinohai: the duty of thinking men is to write for thinking men, if stranded on asteroid and no rational hope of meeting any such
14:50 asciilifeform *even if
14:51 shinohai If I learnt anything from #t it's that evangelism is mostly wasted effort.
14:52 * shinohai more of a "fuck you, got mine" person these days.
14:54 asciilifeform shinohai: wasn't wasted effort for, e.g. hitler.
14:55 asciilifeform shinohai: trick is that you gotta offer something more than 'the pleasure of serving hitler' as reward.
14:57 verisimilitude I don't mind screaming into the void with my work, but it's still nice to know I'm not.
14:58 asciilifeform verisimilitude: asciilifeform's been 'screaming into void' since early 2000s. on occasions the void -- answers. to date these haven't been a massive win.
14:59 asciilifeform to meatspace associates, have always said 'i write for archaeologists'.
14:59 verisimilitude Well, I came across Loper-OS and it influenced me.
15:00 asciilifeform verisimilitude: not always influences in right direction. e.g. gabe laddel dropped out of school and eventually starved to death (iirc).
15:01 verisimilitude I'm no familiar with him.
15:01 asciilifeform subj.
15:05 asciilifeform see also.
15:05 snsabot Logged on 2020-08-12 16:15:46 asciilifeform: edef: the previous young fella who grew up reading asciilifeform's www, went mad and (afaik) died. i'd like to improve the record, with some survivers!
15:06 verisimilitude Well don't worry; I wasn't influenced that much.
15:07 asciilifeform a++
15:08 verisimilitude I didn't come here to be a groupie.
15:09 verisimilitude I like to laugh at the people in startup land; even if I make no money, at least I'm not losing money.
15:21 asciilifeform meanwhile, in not even very vintage lulz of people-who-care-about-exch-rate.
15:21 snsabot Logged on 2020-08-15 16:53:24 kiwi_58: acsiilifeform: i really am happy to answer any question i can grasp the nature of... my original questions were : does anyone have any thoughts on the entire "run to 20k fueled by tether" hypothesis ? and what happens if nyag takes substantial action ? does btc crash ? do the other shitbux clones support a crash ?
15:23 asciilifeform ( and see also... )
15:23 snsabot Logged on 2020-08-16 11:47:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019494 << what i dunget is what means 'harm exch rate'. if tomorrow it's 100 instead of 11k, will you cry? why ?
15:38 verisimilitude I've become much more comfortable with my chording keyboard over the weeks.
15:52 shinohai For thread completeness today: https://twitter.com/savmil3/status/1385519084628967431/photo/1
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16:10 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034530 << you would not cry because either A) you have no bitcoin or B) you are a stoic or C) you have nothing better to do than slave for fiat?
16:10 snsabot Logged on 2021-04-23 15:23:28 asciilifeform: ( and see also... )
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16:35 asciilifeform thimbronion: 'none of above.' attempted to explain in linked thrd & elsewhere.
16:35 snsabot Logged on 2020-08-16 12:58:37 asciilifeform: btc aint interesting or useful 'because it costs 11k $ per'. any more than it was 'because it costs 100 $ per' in '13. but for entirely other reasons, which have 0 to do w/ the exch rates at any point.
16:36 asciilifeform ( and in same thrd, that imho the bubbles are a harmful distraction .)
16:36 snsabot Logged on 2020-08-16 12:55:18 asciilifeform: as for the papercoin-holding speculator scum -- imho the sooner they get the fuck away from btc -- and stay thefuck out -- the better.
16:37 asciilifeform wb trinque
16:37 trinque good afternoon asciilifeform
16:38 asciilifeform trinque: what's new in trinquestan?
16:38 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034538 << exactly right. btc, if it works, will torch the speculators with their own paper money.
16:38 snsabot Logged on 2021-04-23 16:36:22 asciilifeform: ( and in same thrd, that imho the bubbles are a harmful distraction .)
16:38 asciilifeform aaha
16:39 trinque asciilifeform: not much, just took a break from many things, much needed.
16:39 asciilifeform (it either worx or not; did not come with a divine guarantee of monotonic march 'to moon')
16:39 trinque and yourself?
16:40 asciilifeform trinque: megatonne of commercial works. finally approaching point where automated much of the $arduoushorror
16:40 trinque excellent, congrats
16:40 thimbronion asciilifeform: I still don't get it. Like, if you have a bunch such that it's an inconsequential spend to pay living expenses at a certain exchange rate and allow you no longer to slave, wouldn't that be great?
16:42 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034511 << wasn't wasted effort, but we were too poor at the time.
16:42 snsabot Logged on 2021-04-23 14:51:47 shinohai: If I learnt anything from #t it's that evangelism is mostly wasted effort.
16:42 asciilifeform thimbronion: i wouldn't have a sense of 'can stop slaving' unless had, at min., 10x the 'bare necessary' qty.
16:42 trinque I get the sense a few of us are seeing to that.
16:42 asciilifeform thimbronion: at that pt would not so much care about exch rate , either
16:43 trinque thimbronion: I am holding til the world flips and denominates itself in btc.
16:44 asciilifeform ^
16:44 asciilifeform aka victory.
16:46 thimbronion trinque: I would do same if I hadn't married poorly. Not gonna kill myself over it.
16:46 trinque heck, divorce is only slightly more expensive than cap gains
16:47 trinque at any rate, thimbronion say BTC reaches (or USD inflates to) 1M usd
16:47 trinque what'd you buy yourself?
16:47 thimbronion trinque: just girls and time mostly. Like I said, not selling substanial amounts relative to stack.
16:49 trinque I am reminded of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947361
16:49 snsabot (trilema) 2019-10-21 mp_en_viaje: self-sufficiency always beats out great wealth on the long term.
16:50 thimbronion trinque: it's a problem. I'm sick of coding though. Gotta find something else to do.
16:50 shinohai wb trinque ... hope your sabbatical left you refreshed.
16:52 trinque yeah, doing fine. hope same for shinohai
16:54 shinohai All good here, delightful spring weather and girls that pay for themselves.
16:54 * trinque still with the one, but found the last one that bakes pies for his father's birthday unsolicited, apparently.
16:55 trinque thimbronion: say you cashed out. what happens when that zombie in the wh prints another 5T?
16:55 trinque to the mathematics of BTC, nothing happens
16:56 trinque I suppose it depends on how much life you think the former has left in it.
16:56 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034571 << asciilifeform has 1 of these also
16:56 snsabot Logged on 2021-04-23 16:54:58 trinque: still with the one, but found the last one that bakes pies for his father's birthday unsolicited, apparently.
16:58 thimbronion trinque: cashing out is dumb. definitely not doing that. wtf would anyone do with large numbers of dollars even? The logistics alone are ridiculuous if (for what reason I can't fathom) you wanted to keep it in cash.
17:01 asciilifeform trinque: unrelatedly, aiming to return to ffaism soonish. (and -- then to port to the suddenly appeared, after asciilifeform waited for decade+ -- 45,000 LUT open fpga board.
17:01 asciilifeform )
17:02 * shinohai finds it hilarious that Venezuelans grok concept of exchange in BTC instead of truckloads of el Bolivar fuerte ahead of everyone ....
17:03 trinque asciilifeform: ah, that's pretty cool
17:03 asciilifeform shinohai: wai hilarious? asciilifeform had shoebox of rubles. many orcs remember similar experience.
17:03 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-05 19:39:14 asciilifeform: thimbronion: i watched ruble die as a boy. suddenly had whole sack full of'em, felt 'rich'. until a little later, when noticed it wouldn't buy even candy bar
17:03 asciilifeform 'weimar wallpaper.'
17:03 trinque necessity, etc
17:04 shinohai But did asciilifeform exchange sovereign BTC in exchange for said shoeboxes of Rubles?
17:04 asciilifeform shinohai: other direction. (and adjusted for the period) -- shoebox to 1 usd.
17:05 shinohai USD more used currently in VZ than own currency, yet nice to see BTC users there won't touch it.
17:05 trinque incidentally, speaking of projects, got bit-identical builds going for everything *but* gnat itself
17:05 trinque still a bunch of ??? going on in that thing.
17:05 * asciilifeform still gotta replicate!
17:06 trinque for folks like dpb who were scratching their head at starting with debian to build it, point is to start *many* places and see if one gets same bits.
17:06 trinque gentoo is a hard target for that precisely because each operator has his own.
17:06 trinque rather, hard for me to target all those; easy for oneself his own
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17:25 dpb i don't have my own gentoo. I am using what asciilifeform has graciously made available to be had
17:26 trinque the point was rather that you can install the same deps in gentoo that are listed in that bootstrap script, but anyhow.
17:41 feedbot http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-06-06 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- Rewritten: Insidious Optimizations II: Machine Text
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