01:32 |
verisimilitude |
I didn't, asciilifeform. |
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09:15 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
09:15 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: bot fell ? |
09:15 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
09:15 |
watchglass |
Polling 15 nodes... |
09:15 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.021s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680051 |
09:15 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
09:15 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
09:15 |
watchglass |
108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.038s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
09:15 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273 |
09:15 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273 |
09:15 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.083s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273 |
09:15 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273 |
09:15 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680273 (Operator: whaack) |
09:15 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.223s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273 |
09:15 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.161s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273 |
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09:31 |
shinohai |
$ticker btc usd |
09:31 |
btcinfobot |
Current BTC price in USD: $48799 |
09:34 |
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shinohai is starting to think ircbot is just a -ev operation - costs more $ and headache to constantly run/restart than worth. |
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~ 56 minutes ~ |
10:30 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: didja ever genesis full src for that bot ? asciilifeform likely could find why it won't reconnect |
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~ 28 minutes ~ |
10:58 |
shinohai |
asciilifeform: Same reply as the last 5 times you asked, was published to blog last summer http://btc.info.gf/blog/botworks---ircbot-and-logbot-genesis.html |
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~ 22 minutes ~ |
11:21 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: maybe i already asked this also, but : http://btc.info.gf/devel/lisp/botworks/ only seems to contain the trinque/ben_vulpes foundational patches. didja ever post the src that corresponds to btcinfobot as it runs today ? i.e. w/ the piece that sucks in exch rates etc ? |
11:22 |
asciilifeform |
that's where the 'botworks tree' link points |
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~ 1 hours 37 minutes ~ |
12:59 |
verisimilitude |
Amusingly, people are apparently very concerned about that Bitcoin price drop. |
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12:59 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: lol noobs |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: it's a ~random # |
13:00 |
asciilifeform |
(for all practical purposes) |
13:04 |
verisimilitude |
Yes. |
13:05 |
asciilifeform |
see also. |
13:05 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-08-11 12:16:10 asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, will add that also makes sense if you're privy to the swings of the extraction engine the enemy is running, and can 'buy cheap, sell dear' repeatedly. but i dun expect that any such folx are tuned in. |
13:08 |
asciilifeform |
a major moving part behind the price swings are the people who run this heat engine -- 1) spread fud re bitcoin 2) 'buy the dip' 3) drum up enthusiasm among morons 4) sell dear 5) goto 1, nao w/ moar coin, extracted from morons on both strokes of the engine piston |
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13:09 |
asciilifeform |
this engine's been whirring for as long as the chrematists have been involved. i.e. since '12 or so. |
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~ 1 hours 17 minutes ~ |
14:26 |
shinohai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034495 <<< "Bitcoin down 20%, I HAD 1 BTC AND WOKE UP NOW ONLY 0.8 OMG!!!" |
14:26 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-23 12:59:39 verisimilitude: Amusingly, people are apparently very concerned about that Bitcoin price drop. |
14:26 |
asciilifeform |
lollomatic |
14:40 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: if we still had a qntra, i'd make infographic of the engine. as it is, this summary will have to suffice. |
14:49 |
shinohai |
Sadly, the few that would even understand the likbez infographic are present in this chan, all others are of the above-mentioned "drum up enthusiasm among morons" camp. |
14:50 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: the duty of thinking men is to write for thinking men, if stranded on asteroid and no rational hope of meeting any such |
14:50 |
asciilifeform |
*even if |
14:51 |
shinohai |
If I learnt anything from #t it's that evangelism is mostly wasted effort. |
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14:52 |
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shinohai more of a "fuck you, got mine" person these days. |
14:54 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: wasn't wasted effort for, e.g. hitler. |
14:55 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: trick is that you gotta offer something more than 'the pleasure of serving hitler' as reward. |
14:57 |
verisimilitude |
I don't mind screaming into the void with my work, but it's still nice to know I'm not. |
14:58 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: asciilifeform's been 'screaming into void' since early 2000s. on occasions the void -- answers. to date these haven't been a massive win. |
14:59 |
asciilifeform |
to meatspace associates, have always said 'i write for archaeologists'. |
14:59 |
verisimilitude |
Well, I came across Loper-OS and it influenced me. |
15:00 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: not always influences in right direction. e.g. gabe laddel dropped out of school and eventually starved to death (iirc). |
15:01 |
verisimilitude |
I'm no familiar with him. |
15:01 |
asciilifeform |
subj. |
15:05 |
asciilifeform |
see also. |
15:05 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-08-12 16:15:46 asciilifeform: edef: the previous young fella who grew up reading asciilifeform's www, went mad and (afaik) died. i'd like to improve the record, with some survivers! |
15:06 |
verisimilitude |
Well don't worry; I wasn't influenced that much. |
15:07 |
asciilifeform |
a++ |
15:08 |
verisimilitude |
I didn't come here to be a groupie. |
15:09 |
verisimilitude |
I like to laugh at the people in startup land; even if I make no money, at least I'm not losing money. |
15:21 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, in not even very vintage lulz of people-who-care-about-exch-rate. |
15:21 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-08-15 16:53:24 kiwi_58: acsiilifeform: i really am happy to answer any question i can grasp the nature of... my original questions were : does anyone have any thoughts on the entire "run to 20k fueled by tether" hypothesis ? and what happens if nyag takes substantial action ? does btc crash ? do the other shitbux clones support a crash ? |
15:23 |
asciilifeform |
( and see also... ) |
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15:23 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-08-16 11:47:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019494 << what i dunget is what means 'harm exch rate'. if tomorrow it's 100 instead of 11k, will you cry? why ? |
15:38 |
verisimilitude |
I've become much more comfortable with my chording keyboard over the weeks. |
15:52 |
shinohai |
For thread completeness today: https://twitter.com/savmil3/status/1385519084628967431/photo/1 |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
16:10 |
thimbronion |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034530 << you would not cry because either A) you have no bitcoin or B) you are a stoic or C) you have nothing better to do than slave for fiat? |
16:10 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-23 15:23:28 asciilifeform: ( and see also... ) |
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~ 25 minutes ~ |
16:35 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: 'none of above.' attempted to explain in linked thrd & elsewhere. |
16:35 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-08-16 12:58:37 asciilifeform: btc aint interesting or useful 'because it costs 11k $ per'. any more than it was 'because it costs 100 $ per' in '13. but for entirely other reasons, which have 0 to do w/ the exch rates at any point. |
16:36 |
asciilifeform |
( and in same thrd, that imho the bubbles are a harmful distraction .) |
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16:36 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-08-16 12:55:18 asciilifeform: as for the papercoin-holding speculator scum -- imho the sooner they get the fuck away from btc -- and stay thefuck out -- the better. |
16:37 |
asciilifeform |
wb trinque |
16:37 |
trinque |
good afternoon asciilifeform |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: what's new in trinquestan? |
16:38 |
trinque |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034538 << exactly right. btc, if it works, will torch the speculators with their own paper money. |
16:38 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-23 16:36:22 asciilifeform: ( and in same thrd, that imho the bubbles are a harmful distraction .) |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
aaha |
16:39 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: not much, just took a break from many things, much needed. |
16:39 |
asciilifeform |
(it either worx or not; did not come with a divine guarantee of monotonic march 'to moon') |
16:39 |
trinque |
and yourself? |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: megatonne of commercial works. finally approaching point where automated much of the $arduoushorror |
16:40 |
trinque |
excellent, congrats |
16:40 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: I still don't get it. Like, if you have a bunch such that it's an inconsequential spend to pay living expenses at a certain exchange rate and allow you no longer to slave, wouldn't that be great? |
16:42 |
trinque |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034511 << wasn't wasted effort, but we were too poor at the time. |
16:42 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-23 14:51:47 shinohai: If I learnt anything from #t it's that evangelism is mostly wasted effort. |
16:42 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: i wouldn't have a sense of 'can stop slaving' unless had, at min., 10x the 'bare necessary' qty. |
16:42 |
trinque |
I get the sense a few of us are seeing to that. |
16:42 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: at that pt would not so much care about exch rate , either |
16:43 |
trinque |
thimbronion: I am holding til the world flips and denominates itself in btc. |
16:44 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
16:44 |
asciilifeform |
aka victory. |
16:46 |
thimbronion |
trinque: I would do same if I hadn't married poorly. Not gonna kill myself over it. |
16:46 |
trinque |
heck, divorce is only slightly more expensive than cap gains |
16:47 |
trinque |
at any rate, thimbronion say BTC reaches (or USD inflates to) 1M usd |
16:47 |
trinque |
what'd you buy yourself? |
16:47 |
thimbronion |
trinque: just girls and time mostly. Like I said, not selling substanial amounts relative to stack. |
16:49 |
trinque |
I am reminded of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947361 |
16:49 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2019-10-21 mp_en_viaje: self-sufficiency always beats out great wealth on the long term. |
16:50 |
thimbronion |
trinque: it's a problem. I'm sick of coding though. Gotta find something else to do. |
16:50 |
shinohai |
wb trinque ... hope your sabbatical left you refreshed. |
16:52 |
trinque |
yeah, doing fine. hope same for shinohai |
16:54 |
shinohai |
All good here, delightful spring weather and girls that pay for themselves. |
16:54 |
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trinque still with the one, but found the last one that bakes pies for his father's birthday unsolicited, apparently. |
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16:55 |
trinque |
thimbronion: say you cashed out. what happens when that zombie in the wh prints another 5T? |
16:55 |
trinque |
to the mathematics of BTC, nothing happens |
16:56 |
trinque |
I suppose it depends on how much life you think the former has left in it. |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034571 << asciilifeform has 1 of these also |
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16:56 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2021-04-23 16:54:58 trinque: still with the one, but found the last one that bakes pies for his father's birthday unsolicited, apparently. |
16:58 |
thimbronion |
trinque: cashing out is dumb. definitely not doing that. wtf would anyone do with large numbers of dollars even? The logistics alone are ridiculuous if (for what reason I can't fathom) you wanted to keep it in cash. |
17:01 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: unrelatedly, aiming to return to ffaism soonish. (and -- then to port to the suddenly appeared, after asciilifeform waited for decade+ -- 45,000 LUT open fpga board. |
17:01 |
asciilifeform |
) |
17:02 |
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shinohai finds it hilarious that Venezuelans grok concept of exchange in BTC instead of truckloads of el Bolivar fuerte ahead of everyone .... |
17:03 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: ah, that's pretty cool |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: wai hilarious? asciilifeform had shoebox of rubles. many orcs remember similar experience. |
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17:03 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-05-05 19:39:14 asciilifeform: thimbronion: i watched ruble die as a boy. suddenly had whole sack full of'em, felt 'rich'. until a little later, when noticed it wouldn't buy even candy bar |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
'weimar wallpaper.' |
17:03 |
trinque |
necessity, etc |
17:04 |
shinohai |
But did asciilifeform exchange sovereign BTC in exchange for said shoeboxes of Rubles? |
17:04 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: other direction. (and adjusted for the period) -- shoebox to 1 usd. |
17:05 |
shinohai |
USD more used currently in VZ than own currency, yet nice to see BTC users there won't touch it. |
17:05 |
trinque |
incidentally, speaking of projects, got bit-identical builds going for everything *but* gnat itself |
17:05 |
trinque |
still a bunch of ??? going on in that thing. |
17:05 |
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asciilifeform still gotta replicate! |
17:06 |
trinque |
for folks like dpb who were scratching their head at starting with debian to build it, point is to start *many* places and see if one gets same bits. |
17:06 |
trinque |
gentoo is a hard target for that precisely because each operator has his own. |
17:06 |
trinque |
rather, hard for me to target all those; easy for oneself his own |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
17:25 |
dpb |
i don't have my own gentoo. I am using what asciilifeform has graciously made available to be had |
17:26 |
trinque |
the point was rather that you can install the same deps in gentoo that are listed in that bootstrap script, but anyhow. |
17:41 |
feedbot |
http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-06-06 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- Rewritten: Insidious Optimizations II: Machine Text |