| 13:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-03-01#1032467 << nostalgic board, from asciilifeform's pov. or, rather, not the board per se (not had that one) but the 'spartan 6', asciilifeform mined his 1st coin on one back in the day |
| 13:02 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2024-03-01 20:06:34 phf[jonsykkel]: there's a version of hdl cadr there, which runs on a pipistrello board, and the core is automatically translated netlists. a project more aligned with goals of tumbleweed/lm-3 would be to port that to a different board that is otherwise still in production, or rewrite the core manu |
| 13:03 |
* |
asciilifeform not looked at the fpga cadr in a while, wonders what chip/board-specific pheatures it makes use of |
| 13:06 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-03-01#1032472 << vlsi is in some ways ~easier~ than fpgaism (not need to sew the thing to fit a particular pile of on-die gadgets -- and the routing fabric b/w them -- just-so) |
| 13:06 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2024-03-01 20:15:20 phf[jonsykkel]: don't have the baggage of trying to figure out vlsi. and then once you have a scheme cpu, building a useful system out of it (bus, peripherals) and on top of it (actual scheme code) is left as an exercise for the reader |
| 13:06 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2023-02-12 12:40:30 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|deedbot|awt]: ( for that matter, historically in fpga marketing lit 'moar gates' has usually meant 'in the form of proprietary on-die appliances' rather than 'bigger sea o'gates' fwiw ) |
| 13:08 |
asciilifeform |
fpga was orig. meant for slow-prototyping of vlsi. ended up used in released products rather by happenstance, as vlsi fab cost 'went to moon' |
| 13:13 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-03-01#1032471 << the painful part ( as phf prolly knew ) aint the scheme core |
| 13:13 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2024-03-01 20:15:04 phf[jonsykkel]: so if the goal is to replicate the scheme cpu path, the output must be something like an input for a foundry. if otherwise you're going to run it on fpga, then it's trivial to construct a scheme "core" yourself of similar complexity to scheme cpu from first principles, because you |
| 13:13 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2023-12-11 18:38:25 asciilifeform[signpost|jonsykkel|billymg]: thing is that they aint an optional luxury. can't bake e.g. reliable ddr2 controller w/out knowing the gate delays and geometry of errything in that thing |
| 13:15 |
asciilifeform |
... it's errything else. esp. if one not wants to use multi-MB of ??? chip-specific liquishit (whether vendor closed liquishit, or 'opensores' ram controller, which equally incomprehensible ~and~ with shite performance) |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
(ditto video, nic, etc) |
| 13:19 |
* |
asciilifeform remembers -- tho can't find thread in o(1) presently -- an episode where asciilifeform , thoroughly tired of that nonsense, went to draw up a board on which 'let's put 1G of fast sram + fpga and be done with it', only to discover that nobody's making standalone srams that could keep up with reasonable fpga clock, a |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
nd for that matter none appeared to exist in any higher densities than in late '90s ! |
| 13:22 |
asciilifeform |
if merely want to reproduce bolix-like box, tho, yes, can make do with 16MB or whatever. but in that case machine is firmly in 'toy' weight class in re practical use |
| 13:27 |
asciilifeform |
(ftr asciilifeform's criterion for 'practical' : box oughta be able to run the design toolchain that baked it. obv. not immediately, but eventually) |
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| 15:31 |
shinohai |
Hello pestnet, long time no type. |
| 15:31 |
asciilifeform |
wb shinohai ! |
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| 18:53 |
signpost |
whelp, corn making all-time highs alongside gold and us stonks is pretty clenchful. |
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| 18:56 |
signpost |
approaching, I mean |
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| 19:48 |
asciilifeform |
wb signpost |
| 19:48 |
signpost |
howdy asciilifeform |
| 19:50 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: doing various things ( see prev ), tho atm mostly meatspace. and you ? |
| 19:50 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2024-03-01 18:24:01 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|signpost|billymg]: freshly outta work and has some time on his hands... |
| 19:50 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2024-03-01 18:49:19 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|signpost|billymg]: dusting off various things, scraping off the cosmoline, shaking out scorpions, etc |
| 19:53 |
asciilifeform |
( for the curious, 1 client bailed, the other -- defunkt, nao running on batteries, in which sufficient charge to go for yrs w/out touching any coin. so asciilifeform catching up on justabout errything ) |
| 19:55 |
signpost |
cool! nice to have some time to think. |
| 19:56 |
asciilifeform |
defo. think + do |
| 19:56 |
signpost |
I've been squeezing out a fat pile of java, but more importantly reading books to my kid. |
| 19:56 |
asciilifeform |
a++ |
| 19:56 |
asciilifeform |
kid 1yo soon ? |
| 19:57 |
signpost |
15mos now, chattering away, knows letters, doing great |
| 19:57 |
asciilifeform |
a! |
| 19:57 |
asciilifeform |
neato |
| 20:00 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: java, as asciilifeform discovered, aint the bottom of the hell, 'thought we hit bottom, but sumbody knocked from below'(tm)(r), did 3+y in gulag where lang for which there aint even one non-buggy compiler |
| 20:01 |
signpost |
oof. yeah, it's a devil I know, and usable for corporate webshits. |
| 20:03 |
asciilifeform |
the 3rd yr was in a penal battallion where 'fix the compiler' etc |
| 20:07 |
* |
signpost scraping together some patterns bv and I used in the last one we sold into reusable tools. |
| 20:11 |
asciilifeform |
selling tools defo over9000x better than 'sell body' indeed |
| 20:12 |
* |
asciilifeform would quite like to sell sumthing reusable at some pt |
| 20:16 |
signpost |
most of the toil in distributed webshits is of the "job creation" variety, where a bunch of 22yo entry level devs smear slightly different representations of the same thing throughout. |
| 20:17 |
signpost |
somebody at big g literally told me when I joined that all I'd ever do is convert between proto formats, lol. |
| 20:17 |
signpost |
truest statement by anyone there! |
| 20:19 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: believe or not, sometimes sea of liquishit even in places where no webshits and no one is 22yo... |
| 20:19 |
asciilifeform |
there wasn't any (well, almost) microshitiana. but at same time the most dysfunctional shithole asciilifeform ever served time in |
| 20:21 |
signpost |
really can't be overstated how bad at management americans are. |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
these were brits fwiw |
| 20:21 |
signpost |
aw well, sadder for them to be at our level. |
| 20:22 |
asciilifeform |
1 day, when they fold, will say which brits, but was a shop asciilifeform guarantees no one's ever heard of, last knew -- not even had a www. |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
of the 'financial' (fiatola strictly) flavour. |
| 20:24 |
asciilifeform |
story rather resembles 1 of signpost's old gigs, where (long gone) founder thought 'we'll fix computing and get mega-edge' but bet on catastrophically wrong horse |
| 20:24 |
signpost |
anyway I figured if I was actually going to keep doing this (this being continuing to try to shave transaction fees out of normies bobbling through life) I'd make a tolerable webshitter. got an item now which dumps a respectable grpc deployment into a clean AWS, wrote a lightweight tool that reads pg schema and shits out a |
| 20:24 |
signpost |
grpc server for same, lispy hooks throughout to change sane defaults. |
| 20:25 |
signpost |
misc other niceties in not much code. |
| 20:25 |
signpost |
heh yeah, mine's still at it! |
| 20:25 |
signpost |
how? dunno, living in a barrel I assume. |
| 20:26 |
asciilifeform |
a, for sumreason asciilifeform thought it ended with his eltsin-style vodka demise |
| 20:26 |
signpost |
drinks like a fish but not dead |
| 20:26 |
signpost |
the fish likes it |
| 20:28 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: the 'sql os' d00d , iirc ? |
| 20:29 |
signpost |
that's him, though he'd have said that sql merely encrufted the coddly beauty. |
| 20:29 |
asciilifeform |
a |
| 20:30 |
* |
asciilifeform open, in principle, to commercial worx featuring sumthing other than 'hold up collapsing walls' nonsense, but 'not holds breath'. aint in any hurry fwiw. |
| 20:30 |
signpost |
wanted a structure editor for query ASTs, and a system which binds result types to arbitrary UI elements, compose UI on the fly. |
| 20:30 |
signpost |
allergic to lisp btw! |
| 20:32 |
signpost |
re: commercial works, I don't even know what I'd field right now. I've had plenty of ideas which would suit a functioning country. |
| 20:34 |
signpost |
my current project is intended to have in place what'd support a commercial effort on the far side of the splat. |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
current kompyooting/softs market is afaik solidly of the variety where 'the mice cried, pricked themselves, but continued to gnaw on the cactus'(tm)(r)(ru) |
| 20:42 |
* |
asciilifeform would e.g. this but has difficulty picturing how could be made +ev |
| 20:42 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2023-05-26 10:39:55 asciilifeform[6]: the 1 and only Right Thing to do with trb is to rewrite it sanely, but that sword is still firmly in the stone and likely to stay there. |
| 20:42 |
dulapbot |
(asciilifeform) 2022-02-19 asciilifeform: 'not quite bitcoin', asciilifeform's demo of adaistic ab-initio mechanisms for hypothetical replacement of trb |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
not even speaking of irons etc. |
| 20:43 |
signpost |
I think it requires the world to crash and reboot first, as many nice things. |
| 20:43 |
* |
signpost has a btc transaction editor he'll do at some point, but not yet. |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
'crashed world' not imho seems like a place where folx ~moar~ willing to pay for softs, of whatever variety, vs current one |
| 20:44 |
signpost |
rebooted into hard money, which will take possibly longer than our lives, possibly not. |
| 20:44 |
signpost |
https://www.tradingview.com/x/2n1ybCTS/ << tea leaves update. orange line is hashRate * blockReward / btcSupply / math.pow(10, 11.7) |
| 20:44 |
signpost |
10^11.7 is plucked from my ass |
| 20:45 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: to asciilifeform seems like exchrate is primarily a function of how much coin enemy can, at given time, muster for the 'extinguisher'. but whoknows |
| 20:47 |
signpost |
lower bound seems like it exists, though. |
| 20:47 |
signpost |
they should've sent somebody smarter but here I am in the JS on tradingview, lol. |
| 20:48 |
signpost |
it occurred to me that each bitcoin was purchased by the network itself with a certain number of hashes |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
afaik most coin on market aint freshly-mined tho (and hasn't been in many yrs) |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
so that aint the bound |
| 20:51 |
signpost |
most coin doesn't circulate at all, just sits there hodlin |
| 20:51 |
* |
asciilifeform nods |
| 20:51 |
asciilifeform |
exchrate is formed by what ~does~ change hands tho. |
| 20:53 |
signpost |
that'd make me think the newly minted coin has most of the influence. |
| 20:54 |
* |
asciilifeform not has sufficient info to refute or otherwise |
| 20:56 |
* |
asciilifeform would be astonished if 'sell walls' not -- to this day -- consisted primarily of things like this, however |
| 20:56 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-11-08 14:31:50 billymg: every now and then the waterfall is refilled with actual coin as well, handed over not voluntarily, but in a shakedown, e.g. like this recent announcement: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-historic-336-billion-cryptocurrency-seizure-and-conviction |
| 20:59 |
asciilifeform |
so far , pattern seems to be (e.g. 2d ago), exch rate seems to 'go to exponential', then suddenly 'from nowhere' over90000 sell, until quiet again |
| 20:59 |
asciilifeform |
hence asciilifeform's model where 'fire extinguisher' |
| 20:59 |
signpost |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-03-02#1032494 << I was implying here that we're seeing the death of USD. |
| 20:59 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2024-03-02 18:53:47 signpost: whelp, corn making all-time highs alongside gold and us stonks is pretty clenchful. |
| 21:00 |
signpost |
sadly I think part of e.g. today's quiet is that people are buying through the ETFs. |
| 21:00 |
signpost |
(no trad-market on weekends) |
| 21:01 |
asciilifeform |
usd arguably died in '21-22. atm what we've is its shambling corpse |
| 21:01 |
asciilifeform |
*got is |
| 21:01 |
signpost |
ETFs are holding about 4% of all BTC and climbing. |
| 21:01 |
signpost |
that will be a motherfucker of a pig to gut at some point. |
| 21:02 |
asciilifeform |
aaha |
| 21:02 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2024-01-24 17:13:06 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|signpost|billymg]: the coin per se may be present as claimed, but the only thing it can 'do' is to eventually be stolen (in addition to the fact that 'your' paper stake can also be 're-ownered' at any time, on orders from a usg official or similar) |
| 21:03 |
signpost |
if they don't I'll be forced to believe BTC was a USG project. |
| 21:03 |
asciilifeform |
if they don't what..? |
| 21:04 |
signpost |
if they don't use the ETFs in the same manner as gold ETFs have been used. |
| 21:04 |
asciilifeform |
afaik they're working precisely as the au ones worked |
| 21:04 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. diverting fiatola from purchase of actual btc |
| 21:05 |
signpost |
and if in a few months we've got $200k? |
| 21:05 |
signpost |
because another hypothesis is that BTC does a fine job murdering weaker fiats and dollarizing them. e.g. Argentina |
| 21:06 |
asciilifeform |
not impossible, but in asciilifeform's pov will be 'it's 200, but would be 200x if not for the glue traps' etc |
| 21:06 |
signpost |
all the reptiles would have to do to keep stateside plebs in place is shut out non-accredited investors after the next bubble bursts. |
| 21:06 |
asciilifeform |
will for that matter be 200 at some pt, guaranteed ('when sandwich is 200$' e.g.) |
| 21:08 |
asciilifeform |
( the moar proper formulation of the q would be e.g. 'will 1btc == 1000m^2 house in nyc' ) |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
see also . |
| 21:09 |
bitbot |
(asciilifeform) 2021-04-23 asciilifeform: shinohai: wai hilarious? asciilifeform had shoebox of rubles. many orcs remember similar experience. |
| 21:09 |
dulapbot |
(asciilifeform) 2020-05-05 asciilifeform: thimbronion: i watched ruble die as a boy. suddenly had whole sack full of'em, felt 'rich'. until a little later, when noticed it wouldn't buy even candy bar |
| 21:13 |
signpost |
https://www.tradingview.com/x/1LQy29AP/ << I think our department of dirty financial tricks is doing a lot more than just printing. straight up infini-printola looks like this. |
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| 22:21 |
* |
asciilifeform would be interested to see a 'btc vs 1000m^2 in nyc' chart, but can't be arsed to bake it |
| 22:30 |
* |
asciilifeform observes various folxs' fondness for drawing charts, and notes that if said charts had been even accurate even within 10% apriori, rather than after the fact, the chart makers oughta have achieved 2-3 doublings of their 2010s coin pile by nao... |
| 22:30 |
asciilifeform |
*accurate even within |
| 22:32 |
asciilifeform |
this strictly in re charts which suppose a useful relationship b/w time (incl. as expressed by btc difficulty) and exchrate, naturally |