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| 11:47 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
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btcinfobot |
Current BTC price in USD: $28520.73 |
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asciilifeform |
!w poll |
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watchglass |
Polling 15 nodes... |
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watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: whaack) |
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watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : Could not connect! |
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watchglass |
71.114.46.209:8333 : (pool-71-114-46-209.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.038s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663857 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
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watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663857 |
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watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : Could not connect! |
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watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.146s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663784 |
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watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.197s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663857 |
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watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.276s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=391693 (Operator: jurov) |
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watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.297s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663857 |
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watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.314s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663448 |
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185.85.38.54:8333 : (tlapnet-38-54.cust.tlapnet.cz) Alive: (0.316s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663857 |
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205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=663529 |
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watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : Alive: (0.188s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=663611 |
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watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! |
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185.163.46.29:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! |
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| 12:11 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-31#1027909 >> 'I'm told of how I put others in danger by serving my website without encryption' << these agitprop whines aint about 'encryption', but rather sslism in particular. which is simply the leading brand of nsa-curated trojancrypto. |
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snsabot |
Logged on 2020-12-31 00:53:35 feedbot: http://verisimilitudes.net/2020-12-30 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- Penultimate Philosphical Ponderings |
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| 12:31 |
verisimilitude |
Yes, but for the purposes of the writing, it's close enough. |
| 12:31 |
verisimilitude |
Explaining how SSL isn't even real encryption would undermine the point, or perhaps I'll revise it later. |
| 12:32 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: imho it is a not unimportant detail, that the agitprop comes from folx whose actual aim is to drive functional, publicly-available crypto into extinction (and in fact largely achieved this) |
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| 12:34 |
shinohai |
But muh pki |
| 12:34 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 12:36 |
shinohai |
But srsly the "whereas this nebulous other is expected to do absolutely naught to help itself" describes perfectly the absolute state of things. |
| 12:47 |
verisimilitude |
I'm glad my writing was found to have some value, shinohai. |
| 12:58 |
shinohai |
verisimilitude: I read most of what feedbot spits out here. I've delved into some of your older writings on lisp (hence my WoT rating earlier this year) and have list of links I need to review when time permits. |
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| 13:38 |
verisimilitude |
By the end of the day, I'm going to have all of my 2017 articles in a rewritten state; they were mostly done months back, but I still need to actually upload one. I'd like to rewrite my 2018 articles next. |
| 13:41 |
verisimilitude |
I've recognized I'm going to suffocate under my work unless I start to ``freeze'' most of it, so I'm no longer tempted to revisit it. |
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| 13:56 |
verisimilitude |
IRC is like smoking, right; people acknowledge all of its issues, but do it anyway to socialize. |
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| 13:57 |
verisimilitude |
What's a life without some bad habits? |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: i can think of 'over 9000' worse ways to socialize. |
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trinque |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-31#1027941 << irc with a logger is unmatched in its ability to coherently support a graph of interrelated discourse across time. |
| 14:00 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-12-31 13:56:35 verisimilitude: IRC is like smoking, right; people acknowledge all of its issues, but do it anyway to socialize. |
| 14:01 |
trinque |
I'm sure better hypertextchat could exist, but doesn't. |
| 14:04 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: irc seems like the utmost barbarism -- until one recalls what the heathens live with (more or less the same irc -- but in 'platform' gulags, where e.g. injection of spamola, arbitrary bans, retro-diddling of logs by censors, etc. are routine and have been unremarkable for 2+ decades) |
| 14:05 |
shinohai |
"Use signal, use tor!" |
| 14:05 |
trinque |
yep, although that freenode doesn't currently do much of this is mostly out of poverty rather than it having been designed correctly |
| 14:06 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: fleanode last i saw was ~95% spamola + malware c&c signals , by mass |
| 14:06 |
asciilifeform |
elementarily explained by fact of its operation as nsa 'telescope'. hence minimal interference. |
| 14:07 |
trinque |
still irks trinque not to be sending packets directly to asciilifeform, but focused atm on more elementary rungs of the tech ladder. |
| 14:08 |
trinque |
"directly", of course, is relative there. |
| 14:09 |
asciilifeform |
well aha, picture how martian would laff, '2 d00dz w/ industrial fiber straight to their desks, but still for some reason fleanode' |
| 14:13 |
verisimilitude |
Of course, trinque, but I'd rather want for what can be. |
| 14:14 |
verisimilitude |
The martian would be using Urbit for such, right? |
| 14:14 |
trinque |
chortle |
| 14:14 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 14:15 |
trinque |
honestly I've already forgotten how that thing worked, other than "oh, these guys thought pki was fine, just needed more 2010s technohipster on top" |
| 14:16 |
trinque |
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-10-07#1022907 |
| 14:16 |
snsabot |
Logged on 2020-10-07 14:58:18 asciilifeform: PeterL: i won't presume to speak for trinque , but in asciilifeform's conception, the obv. Right Thing would be an item which rides atop ipv4 in the same sense that the latter once rode atop telco grid; and w/ cryptographic routing (i.e. yer address is a pubkey) and ciphration (i.e. messages readable strictly by addressee) . all else -- implementation detail. |
| 14:16 |
verisimilitude |
One of my bigger issues with Urbit, sans the stupid Nock language which exists solely to be an ostensible bottom and then jettisoned away, is how it doesn't abandon ASCII. |
| 14:17 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: it 'worked' as, approx., 'unlambda'-style practical joke, carried a little far (iirc andreessen horowitz , turned out, likes such jokes) |
| 14:17 |
trinque |
it put some printed money in yarvin's pocket, worked. |
| 14:18 |
verisimilitude |
My CHIP-8 MMC targeting has its own 88-entry character set, because it was reasonable, and yet this supposed computing platform for the rest of humanity doesn't. |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
( see also . ) |
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| 14:19 |
verisimilitude |
For any faults, Urbit certainly has some good ideas behind it, and not everything to do with it is fundamentally flawed. |
| 14:20 |
verisimilitude |
I could see myself obtaining some virtual land. |
| 14:20 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: i spent enuff time reading the thing , trying to find out what these were, that in fact won 1 of the orig. prizes from yarvin&co |
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asciilifeform |
but did not find. |
| 14:21 |
asciilifeform |
'what was good, was not original; what was original, was not good'(tm) |
| 14:21 |
verisimilitude |
Oh, while on my mind, this reveals an issue with Urbit's creation myth. |
| 14:22 |
verisimilitude |
That paper from 1978 describes a better form of what Urbit is, which makes it queer that Urbit supposedly had so much thought poured into it. |
| 14:23 |
verisimilitude |
Conveniently, I've never seen any Urbit material give poor Backus any credit. |
| 14:23 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: if yer curious how asciilifeform went in, and then out, of subj, there's a links thread in '16. |
| 14:23 |
snsabot |
(trilema) 2016-08-18 asciilifeform: 1 - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352 << the sale |
| 14:24 |
verisimilitude |
I've read all or most of this, yes. |
| 14:24 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: yarvin was evidently trying to emulate various 'giants of industry' in picking up public materials, giving'em a coat of paint, and then claiming 'inventions' |
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| 14:25 |
asciilifeform |
this 'worked', in a sense, for microshit and crapple, and so 'over 9000' mediocrities erry day try to copy this 'method'. |
| 14:25 |
verisimilitude |
See, my work is original, because I'm doing things nearly no one else cares about. |
| 14:27 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: originality in fact aint difficult (if you shipped w/ the right wetware) . what's difficult is to find any from ~other~ folx, though the noise of 1e9 screeching extrovert poseurs. |
| 14:28 |
verisimilitude |
Normal people are terrible, yes. |
| 14:30 |
verisimilitude |
Dehumanizing most of them is one reasonable way to cope with it. |
| 14:31 |
verisimilitude |
Here's a quote from one of mine articles: I'm perfectly fine with that idea humans hold souls, so long as it be acknowledged others lack them. |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
the simpler construction is that not all that walks is human. |
| 14:32 |
verisimilitude |
That's what dehumanization is. |
| 14:32 |
asciilifeform |
oblig. |
| 14:32 |
trinque |
sure. this ftr is what the web of trust was meant to do, find the humans. |
| 14:33 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 14:34 |
verisimilitude |
I was having a similar discussion earlier. |
| 14:36 |
verisimilitude |
I think I'm intelligent enough, but so many idiots think that. Surely, if I be so intelligent, I should have works which substantiate the opinion. This is part of why I work so hard on my creations. |
| 14:36 |
verisimilitude |
Then I can wonder if I'm actually a fool who thinks himself smart, but have something to point to the idiot would probably be incapable of, and be somewhat reassured. |
| 14:37 |
verisimilitude |
Works prove that one is actually a human. |
| 14:39 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: asciilifeform leaves the weighing an' judgment of his worx, to ~other~ people. cuz the only alternative is an endless stare into own arse, which may be entertaining way to spend one's life for a narcissist; but not for healthy folx |
| 14:40 |
verisimilitude |
I create several things for others, but everything attached to this name exists solely for me, and is but shared. |
| 14:40 |
verisimilitude |
Betraying such narcissism wasn't mine intent, so perhaps I miswrote. |
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asciilifeform bbl:meat |
| 14:51 |
trinque |
verisimilitude: I figure I'm pretty dumb by historical standards, and pretty smart by contemporary standards. |
| 14:51 |
trinque |
either way, I don't give much of a shit. |
| 14:51 |
trinque |
death comes for us all; what one does meanwhile's between him and the gods |
| 14:52 |
trinque |
all of us are bags of shit and salt-water on a tiny planet around tiny sun in whichever backwater of the galaxy (and so on) |
| 14:52 |
trinque |
none of this gives me any sadness; on the contrary it's grounding. |
| 14:53 |
trinque |
who one is, is just an idea rolling around in their gourd with the rest of them. |
| 14:53 |
trinque |
(that's just what a narcissistic sociopath would say!) |
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verisimilitude |
I don't sit around thinking about how smart I believe myself to be, but it's worthwhile to wonder, occasionally. |
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