#trilema | 2019-03-25

asciilifeform, o yeah. imagine that! sovok cyanoacrylate, aka aracet (polyvinyl acetate, elmer;s glue).

08:33

http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mp-wp&search= << keks they ended up diverged. normally i'd ask hanbot to regrind, except this is a large patch that needs some reading, so would you mind regrinding it on top of hers billymg ?

08:35

and need i say it is SUCH A FUCKING PLEASURE to read vpatchs.

08:35

i dunno how anyone continues on the old style. it's like.... jesus. it's inconceivable.

08:37

phf, why does http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_remove-tinymce-and-other-crud not look the same as http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_html-comments-enabled ? i want ?inlinep=true FOREVAR!!!!

08:38

i don't give a shit if it makes 50mb pages. for THIS, and i know of no other use (perhaps "full list of comments on blog article"), any length is legitimate use of the mbs.

08:39

billymg

mircea_popescu: sure thing, i'll update to have it patched on top of hanbot's latest

08:39

ty.

08:44

phf, and since i'm doing whining : can there be an alternate mode where lines are always interleaved, like in this beauty ? eg, http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs#selection-5661.0-5158.160 and http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs#selection-5335.0-5158.58 needn't appear that far apart (leaving asi

08:44

de how they needn't appear at all, item wasn't changed -- is it specifically because of whitespace ? because honestly, one extra tab shouldn't produce a "new line of code".).

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09:38

* chonkin (~katyab@c-75-67-100-34.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has left #trilema << keks, too much is too much after all ?

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10:05

meanwhile in the neverending lulz : russia is gonna help venezuela nao.

10:06

must suck to be pantsuit/usgistani true believer these days.

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10:26

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904648 << i still buy good old pva. there's afaik no substitute for it for paper (i.e. b00kz)

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Logged on 2019-03-25 12:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, o yeah. imagine that! sovok cyanoacrylate, aka aracet (polyvinyl acetate, elmer;s glue).

10:26

yes, but as such.

10:27

fwiw the argentine tube contains sumthing visually resembling actual cyanoacrylate. it's simply defective in some subtle way.

10:27

bleached pva!!!

10:27

prolly in fact diluted.

10:28

i suspect working solvent more expensive than the solute in this case lol

10:30

i also thought this.

10:34

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904657 << the classic diff algo, sadly , sees whitespace as 'changed line' (not even sure this is wrong, even, in some sadlangs whitespace is significant) .

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Logged on 2019-03-25 12:44 mircea_popescu: de how they needn't appear at all, item wasn't changed -- is it specifically because of whitespace ? because honestly, one extra tab shouldn't produce a "new line of code".).

10:35

also produces gargantuan patches if you simply move routines , this is a perennial headache to asciilifeform

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asciilifeform brb,teatime

10:38

i'd like this narrowed if not entirely solved.

~ 33 minutes ~

11:12

hey mircea_popescu, i can do your http://trilema.com/2019/get-lost-dumbo/ horror stories one better: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LInbA/?raw=true

11:12

the tales from the underircrypts continue!!!

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ahahaha

11:15

dork's romanian, too.

11:19

oh, there's all sorts. * You have been kicked from #sexe by Aquavelva (Banni: Tu es sur un canal shitlisté ici)

11:20

keks

11:23

but in fairness, also a lot of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0gpZW/?raw=true

11:25

dude, check that shit out. a) romanian is the 2nd language, after pinoy english ? b) hardcore dude, PopaIonel.

11:33

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http://trilema.com/2019/the-truebeliever-socialist/ << Trilema -- The Truebeliever Socialist

11:33

nicoleci, what network is that, anyway ?

11:34

mircea_popescu, undernet

11:34

who was talking to networks besides mod6 btw ? did undernet say anything ?

11:42

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904673 << asciilifeform several times tried his hand at 'what if nonclassical diff', these are in the logs. but mircea_popescu barfed, and i dun even disagree, thus far nobody's thought of a moar human-readable diffism than the traditional one

11:42

Logged on 2019-03-25 14:38 mircea_popescu: i'd like this narrowed if not entirely solved.

11:43

( e.g. say you want to compactly represent moves of blocks of text. nao you need... a stack ? etc )

11:45

shitlisté << lol!

11:53

re diffs -- it ~is~ possible to make a 'any small change WILL result in a small diffism' diff algo. but, i suspect , not possible to make it naked-eye readable. and, conversely, naked-eye readable diff is , i suspect, necessarily ~same as the classical.

11:56

( 1 of the old thrds, for ref, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596596 )

11:56

Logged on 2017-01-05 00:29 asciilifeform: so, one possible diff might be : \4\i'm \+15\quite certainly \80\not fucking learning an aminoacid matrix to be able to use diff i tell you that

12:03

asciilifeform, ok, but leading whitespace ?

12:03

caqn you even give example of lang besides bash where this matters ?

12:03

leading whitespace is syntactic in e.g. python

12:04

meh

12:04

( and lol, cobol, fortran77, etc )

12:05

mircea_popescu, so wait, are you saying that the "black people & crime" thing is purely an internal debate of socialism, pitting the pantsuit against the more progressive TS faction in the attempt to establish "which parts of ideal socialism relate to me more"?

12:05

Logged on 2017-09-30 00:40 mircea_popescu: in a sense, the "fascists" are more progressive than the "progressive"

12:07

that;s exactly what i'm saying.

12:08

moreover, check out the similar pattern of reaction to alterity : someone's unimpressed with this "marx" symbol ? must be immaturity! because the only 0-cost explanation of difference would be... "the different hasn't yet matured into us". anything else, profoundly threatening to the narc^Hsocialist.

12:09

0-cost folk are 0-cost folk, what can you do.

12:10

and here i'd've thought self-explanation, assembly, noisemaking etc carried *some* cost.

12:14

socialist accounting of costs is a thing of wonder. obviously no such thing as 0-cost exists in nature, but they're ideal sorta folk.

12:25

asciilifeform, even IF in fact whitespace is meaningful, i still want the lines interlaced rather than chunked blocks i have to scroll up and down for.

12:26

aha. would require a sub-line difftron tho, as i understand.

12:26

i can't readily say what it is i actually want algorithmically, which is why i'm not even certain it can be had. but the scrolling hurts my precious inner child.

12:28

hanbot, it's not even coincidental that the pantsuit used "ts" as in trans-sexualism to liberate themselves from the traditional ("reds") socialist mindset and erupt like puss from a scab.

12:29

because, specifically, reds have a lot more trouble dealing with alterity than blues. the blue has little trouble with alterity because they're mostly mentally retarded, no strong notions of self.

12:29

mircea_popescu: i suspect that to guarantee pleasant-to-read diff, one has to specifically write proggy in certain style, and that the problem aint otherwise solvable in the general case

12:29

in a sense, the children have taken over the insane asylum -- to anyone outside they make just as good mental patients as the older ones ; but inside they move quicker and are more vivacious, which are natural advantages.

12:29

asciilifeform, this may even be, but i'd rather unearth the style than not.

12:31

mircea_popescu: who are in this context 'reds' and 'blues' ? ( presumably not the 2 usg armies mircea_popescu earlier argued have long ago merged into 1 ? )

12:32

asciilifeform, well, in immediate context, the fellow from yest, preoccupied with "violent crime". in general, "republicans" up to 1980s or so.

12:32

but yes, the scab cracked ~synchronously with $america-ended

12:33

the guys to whom assange attempted to leak, basically. the "public opinion", whatever.

12:34

mircea_popescu: the 'preoccupation with crimes' also comes in diff. variants. consider e.g. lafonde, vs the typical ameri-suburbanite who has never so much as personally seen a homo-lafondicus with naked eye but nevertheless fixated , etc

12:35

fair enough.

12:35

how do you say "burghezo-mosieresc" in ru ? term as in "Despre politica externă antinațională a guvernelor burghezo-moșierești din România, în timpul politicii imperialiste de așa-zisă 'neintervenție' "

12:36

that was lenin's identification of the reds in his own party.

12:36

буржуй lol

12:36

( muchly corrupted vs. the orig., but iconic term )

12:36

what, no composed term ?!

12:37

town-and-country-propertyowners or somesuch. bourgeois-and-landholder

12:38

буржуазно-помещичья , i suppose. but pretty strong aura of 'limba de lemn' there

12:39

the archaetypical red army fella , beating up the designated kulak, will say simply буржуй .

12:39

yeah, is what i was going for.

12:40

oblig : 'Всіх панів до ’дної ями, Буржуїв за буржуями Будем, будем бить! Будем, будем бить!'(tm)(r)(pavlo tichina)(ukr)

↖ ↖

12:41

( ~= 'all the landlords down one hole, burzhuy by burzhuy, we will, we will beat, we will, we will beat' )

12:42

meanwhile billymg phf mircea_popescu et al my patch from last night needed a reground, sorry for the pain in the ass. http://thewhet.net/2019/03/mp-wp-patch-for-enabling-html-comments/

12:51

nope, fuck me, still broken. i'm going to have to regrind again, meanwhile i have meattasks in town. this'll be done today.

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14:42

!!up pehbot

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deedbot

pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.

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!A @foo@[foo]; !!!

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asciilifeform: foofoofoo

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!A @foo@[foo]; @bar@[bar]!; @baz@[baz]!; !

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asciilifeform: bazbarfoo

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!A @foo@[foo]; @bar@[bar]!; @baz@[baz]!!; !

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asciilifeform: bazbarfoobarfoo

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!A @foo@[foo]; @bar@[bar]!!; @baz@[baz]!!; !

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asciilifeform: bazbarfoofoobarfoofoo

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feedbot

http://qntra.net/2019/03/usg-leveraging-discord-in-the-home-to-disarm-americans-illinois-moving-ammo-serialization-bill-through-legislature/ << Qntra -- USG Leveraging Discord In The Home To Disarm Americans, Illinois Moving Ammo Serialization Bill Through Legislature

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^ 500 counts of Class A Misdemeanor could be yours for the low price of 19.59 USD and presence in Illinois after January 1st, 2020

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BingoBoingo: iirc california had this prior

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( they're the beta test lab for erry possible usgidjicy afaik )

15:44

Nope, not even California

15:46

California's derp is the gun stamps the case with gun's number

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This is for the ammo to be in illinois, maker has to serialize bullets plus + 0.005 USD tax per bullet so Illinois can bungle a tracking system

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BingoBoingo: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904634

15:48

Logged on 2019-03-25 00:55 asciilifeform: when patient dun seem to even blink from cone insertion , the natural response is to give him bigger cone. i fully expect the process will continue in this vein

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( why not $1M tax ? )

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$1B!!!

15:48

Rather big leap in cone sizes

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