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00:00 hanbot trinque, /sys fails with "/usr/gnat/vtoolsp1/vtools/cuntoo/build/sys: target is busy." lsof doesn't match anything tho.
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04:41 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900506 <-- I defo wanna make this, can start working on it after I finish the current scheduled items . I'm missing some deadlines myself (got sidetracked by the more urgent need for mirroring gutenberg) and currently working to get back on track
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04:41 a111 Logged on 2019-03-05 18:23 mircea_popescu: btw, spyked lobbes either of you feel like implementing a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900358 thing ?
~ 24 minutes ~
05:05 spyked asciilifeform, is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893396 still available? I'm looking for a small machine to (ab)use for cuntoo install and IMHO this is a good alternative to scavenging the local junkyards for usable hw.
05:05 a111 Logged on 2019-02-07 16:49 asciilifeform: in other cuntooisms : if anyone is short a x64 box to test-fire cuntoo with, asciilifeform has a surplus disposable box, 'lenovo s10-3' , with that same chipset as in x60 etc period ( https://archive.is/Dny84 ) , if anyone in l1 wants, it's yours for the cost of postage ( has a mechanical hdd in it, i fughet of what size )
~ 4 hours 49 minutes ~
09:55 asciilifeform spyked: yours for cost of postage. gpggram to asciilifeform with where you want it sent.
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10:02 asciilifeform meanwhile, in heathendom, usg 'open sores' a famous shitware: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1622885 >> https://archive.is/Nhkkc
10:02 a111 Logged on 2017-03-07 17:44 asciilifeform: in other lulz, nsa has internal clone of ida, 'ghidra'
10:02 * asciilifeform can't be arsed to sacrifice a box to try an' run it, presently
10:04 shinohai Why does this feel like a Roman Pilum ?
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10:32 BingoBoingo Well shinohai, how do you usually use your Pilum to get the feeling you are accustomed to receiving from it?
10:37 shinohai Throw at enemy, laugh as they attempt removal or drop now useless shield.
10:42 BingoBoingo Aite, just wanted to make sure you weren't driving dull side into ground, climbing, and using sharp side as seat. Once again a case of reserve sharp side for enemy.
10:45 trinque hanbot: umount build/sys ?
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10:46 shinohai BingoBoingo: Nah, mine has "Antrorsum hostem" engraved on the sharp end.
10:47 BingoBoingo Ah, first they drop their armor. Next the legionaires put warnings on their own kit.
10:49 shinohai Beware the Ides of March.
10:52 trinque asciilifeform: they totally either-did-or-are-considering-seriously ending the whatever-you-idiots-think-we-do program
10:52 trinque 2019 marketing push for the derps
11:05 asciilifeform trinque: they 'end program' erry ~decade, when $name leaks out, and reorg into $newname
11:05 trinque sure, of cousre
11:05 trinque *course
11:10 diana_coman uhm, asciilifeform BingoBoingo I can't speak in pizarro?
11:10 asciilifeform recall clinton-era 'echelon'
11:10 asciilifeform diana_coman: hm lemme see
11:10 asciilifeform diana_coman: plz try now
11:11 diana_coman thanks!
11:25 BingoBoingo hanbot: Do you anticipate needing a reset on your cuntoo box soon?
11:27 asciilifeform trinque & other people with working cuntoos -- plox to take a look in the #p log and see if you can easily say what the orig. form of the nao-broken symlink looked like -- ty
11:27 asciilifeform mod6 , shinohai , et al ^
11:27 diana_coman asciilifeform, no need and no use for that
11:27 asciilifeform no ?
11:28 diana_coman that symlink was previosly made by me
11:28 asciilifeform aaa ok
11:28 asciilifeform nm then
11:28 diana_coman no, it's not the symlink that caused the breakage; it's the botched removal i.e. it did more than remove the symlink
11:29 asciilifeform pretty strange effect, i haven't previously observed anyffin of the kind from removing a symlink
11:29 diana_coman me neither but it's a ...test machine; so it gets all tested, what can I say
11:30 asciilifeform rright -- i suspect there's an undocumented linuxtardation somewhere at the bottom of this
11:30 diana_coman ftr I have otherwise down even what the symlink was pointed at; it's not that the issue per se
11:44 mircea_popescu spyked that works. fwiw i'd keep the look of the thing, manpage-like
11:45 mircea_popescu "Ghidra is a software reverse engineering (SRE) framework developed by NSA's Research Directorate for NSA's cybersecurity mission. " << developed nothing, ida license with serials filed off!!1
11:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: GB of java turd
11:45 mircea_popescu but of course.
11:46 asciilifeform (i.e. quite unlike ida, they actually hired 9000 grunts to try & reimplement... )
11:46 mircea_popescu no fucking way. they "hired" 9000 zeks who were "hired" anyway by virtue of being zeks, to wrap it in crap so "nobody can tell".
11:46 asciilifeform entirely possib; can't currently spare any cycles to find out
11:47 mircea_popescu you know, you can run a ms dos box in a java environment emulated in javascript bytecode!!1
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11:47 mircea_popescu fucking "java". this imbecile fashion to name things after africans already.
11:47 mircea_popescu NOBODY WORTH THE MENTION EVER WAS BLACK. OR EVEN BROWN. GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY, LIES WONT FIX IT!
11:47 mircea_popescu GET TO FUCKING WORK OMFG.
11:49 mircea_popescu in the meantime, things can be called "liguria" and so on.
11:55 diana_coman in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?
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11:57 diana_coman ftr the same setup otherwise compiled and ran perfectly fine the tasks-test
11:58 mircea_popescu unsurprisingly, compiler started diverging from the "obsolete" ie functional exception handler.
11:59 mircea_popescu diana_coman make a post once you fix it, with the list of what / how you fixed.
12:00 diana_coman once I get to the bottom of it, I certainly will; my first thought was exactly that - ugh, meanwhile it's not "supported" anymore or wtf - but so far I have no real clue, I'll need to dig
12:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on my globe, java is near sumatra, and not anywhere near africa..
12:09 asciilifeform y'know, in greater hirohitostan
12:10 asciilifeform ( and it'd suck just as hard if they'd named it 'monaco' instead.. )
12:10 asciilifeform a turd by any other name, would smell as sweet (tm)(r)
12:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900636 << was this in the final linkage step, or earlier (and if then, then in the .cpp pieces ? or ada ? )
12:12 a111 Logged on 2019-03-06 16:55 diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?
12:12 diana_coman asciilifeform, final linkage step
12:13 asciilifeform afaik this can only mean that it is trying to link with a non-sjljistic gcc standard lib
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12:13 asciilifeform diana_coman: can you make a 'hello world' that reproduces this ? ( i.e. without seekrit server coad )
12:14 diana_coman you know, that was what I was trying to ensure on the test server (that it's linking with a sjljistic lib) when the simple removal of a symlink blew up in my face
12:17 diana_coman once I have the test machine in working order again I'll see what's going on there; in the happiest case it was just linking with the wrong thing and so it'll be easily solvable
12:17 asciilifeform aite
12:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nevertheless!!!
12:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no i get. i barfed when encountered 'mali' chipset ( srsly?! mali ? )
12:27 asciilifeform why aint there a chukcha chipset, btw.
12:28 asciilifeform https://archive.is/xqalm#selection-3453.1-3188.203 << oblig.
12:28 asciilifeform + https://archive.is/xqalm#selection-3541.1-3544.1 .
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12:53 diana_coman asciilifeform, for completeness, adacore's gnat with --rts=sjlj throws only one undefined reference rather than a bunch; here's the winner: undefined reference to symbol '_Unwind_Resume@@GCC_3.0'
12:57 diana_coman possibly this is just a different mismatch
12:57 asciilifeform ok this is odd, cuz, recall, per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896695 an' http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897234 , it oughta be _Unwind_SjLj_Resume , and not _Unwind_Resume ( the latter is a zcxism! )
12:57 a111 Logged on 2019-02-14 22:56 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/zcx_procs.asm http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/ljmp_procs.asm
12:57 a111 Logged on 2019-02-16 17:53 asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/feb_16_tasks_o.html
12:58 diana_coman o.O so you're saying that apparently gprbuild --RTS=sjlj on adacore's gnat STILL pulls in some zcxism??
12:58 asciilifeform loox like!!
12:58 asciilifeform unless it was the cpp components which did
12:58 * asciilifeform cannot presume to comment re diana_coman's in-house proggy, but as i understand it's sumthing like 80% ancient cpp ?
12:59 diana_coman I think I'll take a break and leave it until I have the smg test box back so at least I don't mess about with all sorts of versions of everything or I'll go nuts
12:59 asciilifeform logical
13:00 asciilifeform diana_coman: BingoBoingo set out for the cellar just nao.
13:00 diana_coman great, thanks
13:14 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900597 << trinque: same, "target is busy". if you wanna try and untangle, i'm at your disposal, but otherwise i'ma have it rebooted
13:14 a111 Logged on 2019-03-06 15:45 trinque: hanbot: umount build/sys ?
13:26 feedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/087-feedparse.html << The Tar Pit -- A feed parser for Common Lisp programs
13:32 spyked mircea_popescu, aite. yeah, their pastebox looks pretty neat.
13:43 spyked asciilifeform, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/udmXj/?raw=true
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13:44 asciilifeform spyked: got it. i'ma get it to the post on sat. at the latest.
13:44 spyked ok, tyvm!
13:44 asciilifeform np
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14:02 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell diana_coman http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NJ0f5/?raw=true
14:02 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
14:03 asciilifeform hanbot : while BingoBoingo is in the cage, do you also want reset ?
14:03 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Your live environment is ready. This is the same live image hanbot has been using. Changes made to the live environment will not persist.
14:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: well, changes made on the actual stationary disk, oughta persist, sorta whole point
14:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plz check that it actually sees the raid
14:05 hanbot asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: well, waiting for trinque --i want to give him an opportunity in case this is interesting.
14:06 BingoBoingo hanbot asciilifeform I can always come back
14:07 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It sees the disks. Unplugging keyboard and monitor from diana_coman's test box
14:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: leave'em in for nao
14:08 asciilifeform err, the kvm, that is
14:08 asciilifeform in case i gotta help massage later tonight
14:11 BingoBoingo Will deploy kvm to S.MG testbox
14:12 BingoBoingo Deployed
14:13 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo
14:13 BingoBoingo Withdrawing
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14:43 diana_coman BingoBoingo, got it, thanks! but ssh is waiting on connecting to box... so far
14:43 lobbesbot diana_coman: Sent 41 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NJ0f5/?raw=true
14:47 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Let me know when you make it in. Just now tested the credentials I sent and there was no perceptible wait.
14:49 diana_coman BingoBoingo, I'm in ; it was hiccup on my side ; thank you
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15:24 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell ben_vulpes mimibot appears to be down
15:24 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
~ 17 minutes ~
15:41 diana_coman BingoBoingo, ready for a reset when you get there
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15:58 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Reset
15:59 diana_coman yaaay!
16:00 BingoBoingo Is it fixed?
16:00 diana_coman working fine; thank you very much BingoBoingo
16:00 BingoBoingo It was no problem at all.
16:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: KVM unplugged and idle
16:04 diana_coman hopefully I won't mess it up again the same way at least
16:05 BingoBoingo In other news, any channel loggers interested in logging #pizarro ?
16:05 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Well, odd tripwire is odd tripwire
16:05 BingoBoingo withdrawing
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16:30 asciilifeform incidentally, has anyone yet published a ~complete~ log bot kit ? last i knew , all that was trooly genesis'd is http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , which is one-half of a log bot ( the rear half )
16:30 asciilifeform but afaik no one yet published an entire one.
16:31 * asciilifeform for instance would luvv to log #pizarro and #asciilifeform , say, with own hands, but dun currently have time to write a frontend, and finds it peculiar that nobody's seen it fit to genesis theirs, srsly how many times does that 1 proggy gotta be reinvented
16:32 asciilifeform diana_coman: congrats on fix
16:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ty
16:33 diana_coman asciilifeform, thank you
~ 1 hours 33 minutes ~
18:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform afaik both lobbes and spyked are working towards this : http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/11/conveyor-outlook-now-to-feb-2019/#selection-103.0-103.42 and http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html respectively.
18:07 asciilifeform aah neato
18:08 mircea_popescu not being reinvented or anything, just, it's a large thing because of all the trims.
18:08 asciilifeform i still wonder why phf and ben_vulpes didn't take a shot at genesising theirs ( asciilifeform , for instance, posted the phuctor frontend, fwliw )
18:08 asciilifeform if these were available, could stand up a logger in 10min or so..
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18:10 mircea_popescu afaik both the current developments are following code published by trinque that comes off ben_vulpes 's logger. this is perfectly fine, too, and no it's not "10 minutes", again because of all the trims.
18:11 mircea_popescu not sure why phf hadn't, but possibly because it's a finnicky setup on a lispmachine he can't reproduce, ie, the "10 minutes" in that case'd have included a decade's worth of encuntoo-ating whatever cl pile he uses.
18:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the published bot genesis takes care of the irc mechanics and the db write ; what's missing is the wwwistic front end
18:12 mircea_popescu well eg in lobbes 's case there's also an auction thing, and the archiving bit, and so on ; in spyked's case there's also a lot of rss and so on.
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18:13 mircea_popescu but fundamentally yes, the reason the tree's not cut exactly to your measure's that you never cut it yourself.
18:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you look at http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , it aint 'not cut', it's entirely missing any www-display coad
18:14 mircea_popescu tru.
18:14 asciilifeform would have to write it by hand. ( could use phuctor's as a base, but would rather not perpetrate another pythonism.. )
18:15 asciilifeform and asciilifeform is actually sticking to mircea_popescu's admonition to not divert from conveyor contents, so i'ma not do this any time soon
18:15 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes 's display not included i dunno why ; phf's not included for the stated reason, obscure cl machine ; lobbes 's not included because in order to be able to patch it, he had to fix various things first, you were here for the "techniocal debt" discussion last year.
18:15 asciilifeform right
18:16 mircea_popescu which is exactly the point : they're cutting their own trees because they're their own. if you were cutting it, conceivably it'd be with phuctor python, that being yours, and so o.
18:16 mircea_popescu on*
18:18 mircea_popescu anyway, they'd prolly be closer to being done, so you wouldn't find yourself in the position of "no logger for pizarro", except they got sent to do auction bot fixes and gutenberg mirror respectively, if you recall.
18:18 mircea_popescu the costs of these things.
18:19 * mircea_popescu expects ben_vulpes reboots mimi in short order and the matter goes away ; otherwise we'll see wtf to do about this.
18:22 asciilifeform trinque said that ben_vulpes is alive , so i expect he'll reboot .
18:24 * asciilifeform finds it interesting that 'bot self-resetting when fleanode pisses into its mouth' is still open problem
18:25 asciilifeform my own bot, and presumably errything else that uses trinque's orig mechanism, is similarly afflicted
18:25 asciilifeform ( not a bite at trinque , i suspect it is genuinely stiff problem , fleanode apparently throws ~random garbage )
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18:45 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/03/newly-documented-intel-speculative-memory-management-bug-affects-all-generations-of-intel-core-cpus-makes-rowhammering-much-easier/ << Qntra -- Newly Documented Intel Speculative Memory Management Bug Affects All Generations Of Intel "Core" CPUs, Makes ROWHAMMERing Much Easier
18:48 asciilifeform ^ loox like theoretically afflicts even the venerable x60-era intels. ( aside from the detail that ddr2 aint, as i currently understand, rowhammerable )
18:50 BingoBoingo More fake speed
18:51 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-110.0-125.164 << oblig fakespeed
18:55 BingoBoingo That was in the "old" days. Intel has moved on to disappearing Quantum bathtubs for catapulting
18:55 asciilifeform ye olde nobusfactory.
18:57 BingoBoingo Well, look a it the other way. Intel has been shipping actual quantum computers for over a decade. Now not quantum in an useful way, and possibly quantum in the worst way, but as quantum in the most commercially relevant way so far.
18:57 asciilifeform lol
18:57 asciilifeform schroedinger's cpu.
19:10 trinque asciilifeform: shape of it as I vaguely recall is that the bot-stuck-away state looks like bot-connected from PoV of bot
19:10 asciilifeform trinque: that's as far as i was able to get when walked through it , aha
19:10 trinque I can't say for sure until I instrument the thing with slime and wait for it to happen
19:10 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/lo-sceicco-bianco/ << Trilema -- Lo sceicco bianco
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19:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform check it out, i wonder why we all only used amds. what suckers we were, and all that.
19:59 asciilifeform but was our proof proofyenuff!!111
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21:37 ben_vulpes noches, todos
21:37 lobbesbot ben_vulpes: Sent 6 hours and 12 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> mimibot appears to be down
21:37 ben_vulpes ty BingoBoingo
21:37 BingoBoingo np ben_vulpes
21:37 BingoBoingo How is Texscadia treating you?
21:38 mod6 howdy
21:42 ben_vulpes for all that the place is nominally filled with capitalists, nobody here drives like time is a rapidly exhausting resource. i seem to have landed in a town largely flavored like portland. nobody knows how to make coffee, and the region doesn't produce much by way of wine. but! where portland was the largest metropolis for a good hundred and fifty miles in any direction (and cavorted with airs to match), this
21:42 ben_vulpes place is the 3rd or 4th largest population-wise and has much more humility and concomittantly a vastly greater depth to the sell-side of pretty much everything.
21:42 ben_vulpes heya mod6
21:47 asciilifeform wb ben_vulpes
21:49 ben_vulpes ty asciilifeform, but it'll be short and i'll dive for some more time yet.
21:52 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you building a house or wat
21:57 ben_vulpes nothing so exciting; simply stacking up a tiny pile of variously purple and pink 'greenbacks' to exchange for sheetrock and buttcorns.
22:08 ben_vulpes either tending to my manorial lands, or carving my fortune out of passing stagecoaches, depending on the day. the glittering court, most elevated discourses, high-octane cultronium etc readily distract me from the husbandry that capitalizes. also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875979 spooked me.
22:08 a111 Logged on 2018-11-29 17:10 Mocky: in truth i do feel like idjit for being old man without the brains to have saved anything. i don't even have a workshop full of shit like asciilifeform
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22:25 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: nuffin wrong with that; so long as also keep in mind http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835153
22:25 a111 Logged on 2018-07-16 17:05 asciilifeform: '...Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal...' etc
22:29 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: since yer buying coinz , can i interest you in another machine purchase for piz ?
22:29 asciilifeform same type as prev.
22:31 mircea_popescu an excellent choice in what to be spooked by, sir.
22:33 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: politely decline, but should the merry bandits catch the tax collector's carriage unawares i know where to place my buy orders.
22:35 asciilifeform hard to picture an easier coin than this, but aite
22:41 ben_vulpes can't buy sheetrock nor coin without waylaying stagecoaches, asciilifeform.
22:42 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: in theory the logs are endlessly educational! in practice, learning takes practice.
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