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03:40 feedbot http://thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iii-with-prep-script/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part III, with Prep Script
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05:48 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900726 <-- incidentally, there is some overlap between logotron web interface and web-based img pastetron: both need www code, which I will genesis as soon as I have a working item
05:48 a111 Logged on 2019-03-06 23:12 mircea_popescu: well eg in lobbes 's case there's also an auction thing, and the archiving bit, and so on ; in spyked's case there's also a lot of rss and so on.
05:50 spyked moreover, the same item will be useful for adding comments to thetarpit's cl blogotron, implementing mp-wp-anti-spam for the same, etc.
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08:09 asciilifeform in other noose, adlai apparently sobered up, and blogs, http://80.244.243.194:7421
08:09 asciilifeform seems to be in medical school or sumthing like.
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09:45 BingoBoingo In other news, power and internet down in Vzla
09:47 BingoBoingo Apparently dam sabotage is involved
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10:41 asciilifeform humanitarian(tm)(r) democratic(tm)(r) sabotage
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11:42 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/03/venezuelas-guri-dam-and-simon-bolivar-hydroelectric-plant-sabotaged-leading-to-blackouts/ << Qntra -- Venezuela's Guri Dam And Simn Bolvar Hydroelectric Plant Sabotaged Leading To Blackouts
11:44 asciilifeform 'US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Maduro’s government only has itself to blame for power shortages in Venezuela, noting sarcastically that “Maduro’s policies bring nothing but darkness.”' << lol!!
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11:44 BingoBoingo That's Madame Secretary
11:45 BingoBoingo Meanwhile local derps trying to statnerd over Uruguay being relatively expensive without a discussion of the Ham scam https://archive.is/DqocT
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12:20 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-november-and-december-1715-part-vi/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of November and December, 1715. - Part VI.
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12:44 hanbot woke up to my latest cuntoo boostrap.sh tryout to find it hanging on this input request: "Gentoo Linux support (GENTOO_LINUX) [Y/n/?] (NEW)", this after "Restart config...". I take it this is some sorta flag, but what am i yes/no-ing here? what kinda question is that?!
12:53 asciilifeform hanbot: i can tell you ~what~ you saw, tho not yet why : the linux kernel make starts asking itemized config q's if it sees sumthing in the given config that dun add up to something 'menuconfig' could have shat out, by its lights ( e.g. a module for $device is enabled, but 1 of its deps aint )
12:53 asciilifeform hanbot: this also happens when you used a config baked for a certain kernel, but then feed it to another (usually moar recent) kernel's make
12:54 asciilifeform it sees sumthing unexpected, and switches to manual derpery
12:55 asciilifeform nao what i do not know, is how this scenario can play out using trinque's cuntoo kit -- iirc he includes both a particular kernel source and a config (for 1 of his irons) that was known to be edible by it
12:56 asciilifeform hanbot: did you perchance hand-tune something in that config prior to building kernel ?
12:57 asciilifeform 'found I could replicate mod6's process of copying the .config file in /usr/src/linux into the cuntoo/config directory' suggests that this build was using a non-trinqueian .config ?
12:57 asciilifeform where did the copied one come from orig.?
12:59 asciilifeform !!up lobbes_field
12:59 deedbot lobbes_field voiced for 30 minutes.
12:59 lobbes_field Fwiw, the same happened to me with all my cuntoo runs that used my own 'custom' kernel config (versus trinque's provided config).
13:00 lobbes_field Ty asciilifeform
13:00 asciilifeform lobbes_field: imho it's an asinine default behaviour of linus's builder ; tho the alternative ( build a ball of ??? that fails to boot ) may be equally asinine
13:01 asciilifeform so he took the 'simpler evil'
13:01 hanbot asciilifeform it's just copied from the .config in /usr/src/linux on the liveusb
13:01 asciilifeform hanbot: that answers it then. that one contains some flag that trinque's kernel has nfi what to do with.
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13:02 asciilifeform and, annoyingly, won't say which.
13:02 asciilifeform ( this is to be brought up at linus's impalement )
13:02 hanbot cool.
13:03 asciilifeform the way i handle this , is when building kernel with an older config, i use the menuconfig util, and have it eat the prev config
13:03 asciilifeform then manually walk over the result
13:03 asciilifeform this is prolly not an answr that will make hanbot happy. the only good news is, this only gotta be done 1ce per kernel-iron combo.
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13:05 asciilifeform iirc trinque had an experimental proggy that takes a running kernel's lspci / lsmod output, and diddles an existing config so as to give a kernel that boots on $iron . but afaik not yet published.
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13:05 asciilifeform ( if you were to take trinque's example config, your kernel will boot but will panic when looks for root partition, as it won't find that iron's raid card )
13:06 asciilifeform hanbot: see if you can build using http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf , it is an asciilifeform-sewn config for the specific iron you happen to be on
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13:06 asciilifeform ( trimmed manually )
13:07 asciilifeform all pizarro-owned x86 boxen in the rack, are currently using this config
13:07 hanbot ty asciilifeform, will give it a whirl.
13:07 asciilifeform ( and of course the snsa-operated dulap )
13:07 asciilifeform hanbot: lemme know if you run into barf
13:08 hanbot yup
13:11 asciilifeform hanbot: if it ends up asking you q's , like prev. time, feel free to press 'enter' and let it give the default answers -- they come from the existing config (when available) and from default of the given kernel's (if not) . this generally gives bootable kernel, that you can trim later at your leisure.
13:12 asciilifeform ( i.e. it ~may~ end up containing useless modules, that you will later want to cut out, but ~will~ contain the necessaries given in the supplied config )
13:13 lobbes_field ^^ was the approach I took. Accepted defaults n' manually walked it after I confirmed it booted
13:14 asciilifeform since mircea_popescu is asleep, i'ma 'fill in' for him and note ftr that the necessity for this process is indeed a warcrime of the gnutards, and really not how sane configurator of any kind oughta work
13:14 asciilifeform sadly it's how the current ball o'crapola worx.
13:15 asciilifeform why linus et al did not supply a ready-built http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900938 util, remains a mystery to asciilifeform , just as he found it mystery in '90s
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13:15 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 18:05 asciilifeform: iirc trinque had an experimental proggy that takes a running kernel's lspci / lsmod output, and diddles an existing config so as to give a kernel that boots on $iron . but afaik not yet published.
13:16 asciilifeform the obv hypothesis is that the gnutards ended up happy with the position where 'priesthood' builds kernels and users blindly eat the binaries, etc
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13:46 mod6 hanbot: I did see these questions pop up too while doing the cuntoo bootstrap. This in particular happened to me after I copied my working gentoo kernel from /usr/src/linux/.config to cuntoo/myCopiedConfig, then replaced all of the =m with =y ( sed -i 's/=m/=y/' myCopiedConfig).
13:47 mod6 Anyway, nice write & script!
13:52 mod6 *write up
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17:04 * mircea_popescu waves
17:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-07#1900888 << very best korea flavour to the whole thing.
17:07 a111 Logged on 2019-03-07 23:37 asciilifeform: 'karatekas are cover for nazis' etc
17:08 mircea_popescu "racism is cover for capitalism" ongoing in oither soviet as we speak.
17:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900889 << lost interest at "This panorama scrolls horizontally".
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17:08 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 01:43 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'men alone', https://www.floodgap.com/etc/machines.html
17:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900905 << seitanly.
17:09 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 10:50 spyked: moreover, the same item will be useful for adding comments to thetarpit's cl blogotron, implementing mp-wp-anti-spam for the same, etc.
17:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900912 << check it out, bolivar socialism and roosevelt socialism competing on ye olde marotes, "who brings true light" etcetera.
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17:10 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 16:44 asciilifeform: 'US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Maduro’s government only has itself to blame for power shortages in Venezuela, noting sarcastically that “Maduro’s policies bring nothing but darkness.”' << lol!!
17:11 mircea_popescu most amusing element -- neither of the "parties" involved read as much as a line of ye olde menshevik-bolshevik disputes.
17:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900937 << her script is getting ever more complex lol.
17:13 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 18:03 asciilifeform: this is prolly not an answr that will make hanbot happy. the only good news is, this only gotta be done 1ce per kernel-iron combo.
17:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900954 << seems quite evidently a case of "here in orc cvasirepublic, we rely on implicits to do the job where understanding wtf's going on would have been useful".
17:26 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 18:16 asciilifeform: the obv hypothesis is that the gnutards ended up happy with the position where 'priesthood' builds kernels and users blindly eat the binaries, etc
17:30 asciilifeform guten tag mircea_popescu !
17:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900962 << near as i could tell, subj is a kind of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 , i.e. junkyard dog
17:32 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 22:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900889 << lost interest at "This panorama scrolls horizontally".
17:32 a111 Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
17:33 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900966 << not clear to me that 'isms' are in play : afaik it's moar of the thing where the anglos have same relation to other folx as worm to apple
17:33 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 22:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900912 << check it out, bolivar socialism and roosevelt socialism competing on ye olde marotes, "who brings true light" etcetera.
17:33 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/03/08/ceviche-theory-and-practice/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Ceviche Theory And Practice
17:36 BingoBoingo Venezolana today during spanish class logistics talk made of a point of how maduro was blaming the "Imperialists" for the blackout. I offered that it was almost certainly the imperialists, breaking shit is part of their regime change recipe.
17:37 asciilifeform oh hey BingoBoingo how didja get her out of vuvuzelistan ?
17:37 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: She's still there. Can't help people with things they refuse help for.
17:38 asciilifeform lol she has mains current ? potato battery ?
17:38 BingoBoingo Well, she had about 45 minutes of mains current today
17:38 asciilifeform very korea
17:39 BingoBoingo Well, when you put a third of your generation capacity in the same damn dam...
17:39 asciilifeform ( how do you suppose korea ended up korea )
17:41 BingoBoingo They ate the battery potatoes?
17:41 asciilifeform prior to usg-engineered 'international' blockage, ~north~ was the industrial kr.
17:41 asciilifeform *blockade
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19:51 hanbot so there i am merrily entering choices into the kernel config's endless querying on the tail of my cuntoo installation attempt, and i'm noting down all the modules it asks about that don't appear in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900940 for posterity, during which i ctrl + c on the wrong of the two keyboards i'm handling while trying to copy a module name and bam, make dies, which means kernel configuring dies, which means bootstrap.sh dies,
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19:51 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 18:06 asciilifeform: hanbot: see if you can build using http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf , it is an asciilifeform-sewn config for the specific iron you happen to be on
19:51 hanbot which means i have yet another incomplete cuntoo install with no vpatch and yet no way to start again without another freakin' reboot. it's like walking a tightrope, here i was worried the power'd go out or w/e, but no, fingers got confused after 30m of back and forth, fuck me.
19:52 mircea_popescu hanbot this sounds like EXACTLY what the problem has been, all these years.
19:53 mircea_popescu there's a difference between selecting for intelligent users and selecting for inept hoop jumping acrobatic users -- and "foss" managed to implement the 2nd kind while loudly making postureclaims as to everything under the sun.
19:53 mircea_popescu in this very specific sense, "free and open source" is WAY worse than microsoft apple etc.
19:54 mircea_popescu but no, linux never worked.
19:56 hanbot i dunno, shit's supposed to fail if you do the wrong thing. possibly i'm a moron for making it too easy to do the wrong thing, keyboards oughta be 10ft apart, give second to surgical assistant, whatever. but it is fucking frustrating.
19:57 asciilifeform hanbot: mine are min. of 1m apart always, for this reason. this dun mean that mircea_popescu is wrong tho, re opensores.
19:57 asciilifeform tho it aint clear to me than the e.g. crapple rituals, make any moar sense
19:58 asciilifeform ( the subj of microshit, i'll spare, tho could expound.. )
19:59 asciilifeform 'killer micro'(tm) never 'worked' arguably.
19:59 asciilifeform most complicated mechanism i ever used that 'works' , in light of mircea_popescu's concept thereof, is.. idk, kalash
20:00 asciilifeform errything else seems to require fiddling.
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20:18 mircea_popescu dude, this "x distance apart" is like the fucking speed bumps. brilliant fucking idea, "how about everyone pays a tax so that some edge cases benefit"
20:18 mircea_popescu fuck that dumb shit.
20:21 mircea_popescu in more practical sense : ctrl-C is broken-by-design, in that it is ambiguously used to either mean "kill this task" or "kill all tasks". note how ctrl-c doesn't kill THE TERMINAL. it needs ctrl-d for that.
20:21 mircea_popescu which is JUST AS BROKEN BY DESIGN. ctrl-d will end a file AND kill a terminal, but not touch a task. ctrl-c will kill n levels of task depth, as in her example, FOUR.
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20:21 mircea_popescu this is fucking stupid all through.
20:22 mircea_popescu time and again we're back to ye olde "oh, line, you mean paragraph" pile of accidentally-grown-never-designed festering sores.
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20:40 asciilifeform whole concept of 'current task' is perlesque liquishit
20:42 asciilifeform e.g. you ctrl-c and it nukes ~child~ of process however many layers deep, as in hanbot's example, and instead of propagating the kill up the tree, 'returns' barf uptree
20:44 asciilifeform witness also, how unitardix makes 0 distinguish b/w operator- and mechanism- initiated processes
20:45 asciilifeform 'ok, ctrl-c? i'll assume you meant the last of the 9000 jobs you just spawned, right'
20:46 asciilifeform hanbot's ctrlc only propagated cuz script was linear.
20:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if some part of the shitstack 'was designed', i cannot say what it was
20:48 asciilifeform it was 'designed' like dog 'designs' turd as it emerges from arse.
20:53 hanbot BingoBoingo please reboot me yetagain, with my compliments to your soles.
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21:26 BingoBoingo hanbot: Is it alright if the reboot waits until morning?
21:29 BingoBoingo Eh, I'm still up. Will put the shoes back on and remember to open the terminal before I take shoes off text walk
21:30 trinque y'all are having hanbot work in a livecd?
21:30 trinque this is cruel even by bdsm standards.
21:30 BingoBoingo It's a gentoo liveusb, but yes it is seeming so
21:33 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900952 << he did, as I've said before http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=localyesconfig
21:33 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 18:15 asciilifeform: why linus et al did not supply a ready-built http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900938 util, remains a mystery to asciilifeform , just as he found it mystery in '90s
21:34 asciilifeform oh hm.
21:34 asciilifeform gotta try this
21:38 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900931 << it's actualy the opposite. kernel makefile found that .config lacked a value for a *new* key present in the trinque-supplied kernel, so asked for a value, suggesting default.
21:38 a111 Logged on 2019-03-08 18:01 asciilifeform: hanbot: that answers it then. that one contains some flag that trinque's kernel has nfi what to do with.
21:49 asciilifeform trinque: outta curiosity, hiw didja deduce this ? afaik barf is same in both scenarios?
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22:04 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yRAfP/?raw=true reset
22:04 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
22:07 trinque asciilifeform: that gentoo-specific patchset question is because these patches are present in "gentoo sources"
22:08 trinque your asking did however send me on a spelunk through scripts/kconfig/conf.c by way of ./scripts/kconfig/Makefile
22:17 hanbot BingoBoingo tyvm!
22:17 lobbesbot hanbot: Sent 13 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yRAfP/?raw=true reset
22:23 trinque this some serious dick-cheese and cum-socks tier c, gotos and all.
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22:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah.
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