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04:21 * jurov has some particle board ceilings on otherwise brick house. it's so incredibly shitty material - when bolted small light LED lamps on it, one fell out later :/
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09:03 asciilifeform meanwhile, uy1 up (1 day + 20h ) , avg temp for last 12 hr : 52C
09:03 asciilifeform current 52.0C cpu, chipset 31.8C
09:07 asciilifeform incidentally : raid verify is set for midnight saturday. which iirc was the time of the first reset.
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09:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'ma include 2 spare raid controllers in the cargo, iirc our spare pile of these was depleted
09:09 asciilifeform ( they are cheap )
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09:26 shinohai !!key diana_coman
09:26 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/E72DCCB73A5E06694C5CD781D5196EE6390F999E.asc
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09:56 billymg hanbot: approved the comment, ty!
09:59 billymg trinque: i made a deposit on sunday in order to cover my pizarro invoice but it's not showing up in my balance yet. i'm not in a hurry but curious about the status of it
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10:18 mircea_popescu evidently raid arrays made out of particle board
10:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That sounds solid. If the cargo is 48 Rockchips 1U of server and 1U+ of spare parts, that's still 4U of material.
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10:40 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887514 << In order of structural value: Spruce (not in the botanical sense), Douglas Fir (also not in the Botanical sense), and Southern Yellow pine are usually the options in contemporary US building. None of these woods like ground contact, and yet all they get to prep them for ground contact is a soak in some copper salts. After 10-20 years when the salts wash out the sill plate will turn into sponge.
10:40 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 02:27 asciilifeform: afaik ~nuffin built from redwood
10:41 BingoBoingo The only reason mod6's sill plate problem is exceptional is someone looked at his sill plate. In USistan most people don't know they have the sill plate problem because they never look.
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10:47 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887550 << You want the kind of expanding anchor that mushrooms into a giant claw on the other side. I don't know what they are called here yet, but in old country "Molly bolt" was the term.
10:47 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 09:21 jurov has some particle board ceilings on otherwise brick house. it's so incredibly shitty material - when bolted small light LED lamps on it, one fell out later :/
10:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's exactly 1 (iron, vs 'winmodem') raid card maker, so it's a 'best horse from glue factory'. has been like this for 20y.
10:48 asciilifeform and imho it's annoying.
10:49 asciilifeform it's 1 of 9000 items that could use a fire lit under the vendor's arse.
10:50 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: no moar than 16 rk can be comfortably fit in 1u.
10:50 BingoBoingo Ah, 36 then
10:50 asciilifeform 36 if we bake 3 of'em, correct
10:51 BingoBoingo Ah, 32 then
10:51 asciilifeform err, 2
10:51 asciilifeform 16 x n .
10:51 mircea_popescu who the fuck builds out of pine.
10:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: amerisads, who.
10:52 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Pine grows fast and is therefore 'cheap'
10:53 asciilifeform phunphakt: bamboo grows wild in washingtonistan.
10:53 asciilifeform i'm surprised they dun build from ~that~ yet.
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10:53 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo but yes, i guess if you put it out there i have no choice but to spell it out : of ~fucking course~ the carpenter "sticks his file in there". it's a sales gimmick, like the new york electrician pointing out to people they gotta pay him a billion to "bring the buildingto spec" because "otherwise he has to report them" because "otherwise he loses his own license". because we're supposed to not notice the whole mob-e
10:53 mircea_popescu ra new york is organized around strong-arming and then charging "for protection" the independent moron, aka hayseed immigrant.
10:54 mircea_popescu and yes mod6 is the mark of all time, always ready to pay for such a superficial and self-evident scam. cuz he's a well bred midwestern man whom you can't help but love (notwithstanding the cockroaches can't help but fleece).
10:55 BingoBoingo Anyways, once the house gets jacked they are going to find more problems where the water wicked up from the sill plate.
10:55 mircea_popescu this reminds me of how gypsy teams "fix cheaply the roof" in the old country.
10:56 BingoBoingo And once they drop the house back down with new wood at best it has another 20 years before someone shanks the sill plate again.
10:56 mircea_popescu except apparently gypsies don't grow fast enough for the us, notwithstanding they marry the girls once they bleed. so the locals build out of pine and then charge to fix it.
10:56 asciilifeform this reminds asciilifeform of that 1 time he went to 'dealership' ( the takata recall, phree new grenad^H^H^Hbags ) . they bring what looks like bill. a : 'waitasec, 10k?! whole bucket not worth 5' monkey:'SUGGESTED repairs'
10:58 asciilifeform sent'em to pound sand. 7yr later, bucket -- still runs (only part changed at all -- dynamo)
10:58 BingoBoingo If you're replacing the sill plate might as well raise the concrete foundation so the sill sits further from gound level and all of a sudden the concrete cabin out in Cerro start to look like a good alternative.
10:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have the converse problem. alternator dies on road, /me takes car back to (otherwise very competent, and very able) independent mechanic who charged 75 an hour for tools and labour to find what needs changing and then install mp's parts (75 CENTS!!!). "why the fuck was not this on the bill ?" "ah, it wasn't really broken yet, still hung on a thread".
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10:58 mircea_popescu "do not fucking ever do that again."
10:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu makes me question the fabled indestructibility of german auto!11
10:59 mircea_popescu you should question the fabled quality of costa rican road.
10:59 mircea_popescu human people regularly shit it on contact.
10:59 asciilifeform was about to say, mircea_popescu runs'em in martian conditions
11:00 mircea_popescu last trip did ~50 mi through gravel road. you even have those back in pinehouse lands ?
11:00 asciilifeform not so many in east usa
11:00 asciilifeform moar of a sovok thing
11:01 mircea_popescu i was really contemplating getting the car jacked on those APC tyres they had back in soviet days.
11:01 asciilifeform i used to assume mircea_popescu had a gelandewagen
11:01 asciilifeform that, or sumthing with caterpillars
11:01 mircea_popescu nah
11:02 mircea_popescu http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/east_europe/romania/wheeled_vehicle/tab-77_pcoma/Tab-77_pcoma_wheeled_armoured_vehicle_artillery_observation_post_Romania_Romanian_army_640.jpg << one of these i should get
11:02 mircea_popescu "artillery observation post" my foot, it's jungle adventure vehicle.
11:02 asciilifeform loox ideal for the terrain pictured in mircea_popescu's phototours
11:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's ~= sov БТР-80
11:03 mircea_popescu you know ? maybe the girls recount sometime that night i nearly drove through a washed out road.
11:03 * asciilifeform sings, '...Наш начальник, грозный мужевер, Заставляет спать нас в БТР...'
11:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. tech transferred for i don't recall what economic deal in the 70s
11:04 asciilifeform ( https://archive.is/r3VwB << whole lyrics, for the aficionado, traditional )
11:05 mircea_popescu it's a pretty sweet item, except for one point : its twin engines together less power than bartholomew.
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11:05 mircea_popescu should be at least 7-8x, considering what "redundancy" means and how heavy the shit is.
11:06 asciilifeform sounds like you want a jagdtiger, lol
11:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in other lulz : in 80s ro was actually making the btr-80 for east germany export. because russkis found it cheaper to license than to manufacture, and the ro had stolen it already anyway.
11:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty typical; consider why ro and ddr 'z80' still found in ru fleamarkets
11:08 mircea_popescu (your http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885908 courtly comment, which is factually untrue -- ru 5-6x the headcount, sparked some investigation that turned up a buncha lulz like that. turns out mid 80s soviet was INCREDIBLY weak and complacent, for some fucking reason.)
11:08 a111 Logged on 2019-01-08 18:06 asciilifeform: ( and for all i know, ro actually involved moar 'turkeydollar', as by mircea_popescu's and other accts was 'tighter ship' )
11:09 mircea_popescu it wasn't ~just~ leadership that gave up, let gorby in. i suspect it was just about everyone capitulating by 1985
11:09 asciilifeform from mid-'80s sovok was just short of dead, from industrial pov
11:10 mircea_popescu but it seems a hr sorta death.
11:10 asciilifeform well what else kind of death could it've been -- there wasn't a foreign invasion in '80s
11:10 asciilifeform so noshit 'hr death'
11:10 mircea_popescu machinery. like africa died in the 90s.
11:11 mircea_popescu people exactly 100% as african as before -- but capital investment fell off cliff in 80s and never recovered
11:11 mircea_popescu by '99 -- http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575489
11:11 a111 Logged on 2016-12-01 13:07 asciilifeform: largely because of the 'don't clean the air filter' tale mircea_popescu told asciilifeform et al on the shore in buenos aires
11:12 asciilifeform machines ran for so long as foreign hands were on site to run'em, neh
11:12 asciilifeform so in what sense were they african.
11:12 mircea_popescu well at least to do the maintenance.
11:12 asciilifeform aha
11:12 mircea_popescu in the sense of flying their colorful if meaningless flags.
11:12 asciilifeform my fave is the 1 with kalash
11:12 asciilifeform ( is that still current..? )
11:12 mircea_popescu in what sense was btr russian ? there's only so many ways you can do armored vehicle.
11:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in the sense that drafted in moscow, built in petrozavodsk or wherever, maintained by ru conscripts under whip
11:13 mircea_popescu can you tell this by looking at it ?
11:14 asciilifeform i did just this earlier in thread , neh
11:14 asciilifeform 'hey that's a btr80!'
11:14 mircea_popescu hehe, you did ~the reverse~. you looked at item that looked like the item has to look and went "well, russki is like item does", not "item is like russki does"
11:15 asciilifeform there's 'national colour' to certain designs, e.g. the israelis really like flat, squat tanks for some reason
11:15 asciilifeform but aside from that yes, knife and fork are same errywhere
11:15 mircea_popescu by same token, moon landing is not american, american is moon landing. a moon landing's just like a moon landing is, your lookup table consists of "who did that ?" not of "what'd this doing indicate". without preloaded history, you wouldn't know.
11:16 mircea_popescu replace sputnik for moon landing, same result.
11:16 asciilifeform ok in that sense yea
11:16 mircea_popescu "same reason" being that desert.
11:16 mircea_popescu some*
11:17 asciilifeform funnily enuff i still think of tank (in 'platonic' sense) as a vaguely germanic item, despite being brit invention and sov 'killer app'
11:17 mircea_popescu do you know why ?
11:17 asciilifeform !#s tigerfibel
11:17 a111 10 results for "tigerfibel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tigerfibel
11:17 asciilifeform ^ prolly why
11:17 mircea_popescu i have an alternate theory, but im not sure you wanna hear it.
11:17 asciilifeform let's
11:17 mircea_popescu germans did to platonic tank the wrong thing that you like doing.
11:18 asciilifeform gilding the lily ?
11:18 asciilifeform this is actually the traditional narrative re 'tiger'
11:18 mircea_popescu they made it too big, overengineered, "what if i was the last man and this was the last tank" otherwordly consideration.
11:18 asciilifeform right, it's famous cautionary tale for engineer.
11:18 mircea_popescu russkis just went "how about if that abandoned tachanka people take cover to shoot from behind was motorized"
11:20 asciilifeform there's a second half to that parable tho. which is that german tank/mg/various were not only expensive, but complex.
11:20 mircea_popescu of course, in fairness, there's some hidden lulz in there : turns out tank ~seems~ perfect assault weapon, but ~in fact~ is perfect infantry support weapon. which is why t-34 won over both kv and tiger ; and why the best use of tanks came from north africa, where there being no "armored positions to storm", tanks could be used correctly (if uncomprehendingly) by the germans too.
11:20 asciilifeform ( with mechanical object these tend to coincide )
11:21 mircea_popescu i said "overengineered" specifically.
11:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: funnily enuff the lesson was obvious to... hannibal ( who had 'meat tank' )
11:21 mircea_popescu turns out the correct cut lay so close to "don't bother", russki not-even-replaceable-parts accidental constructs were closer than the finely zeiss'd german items
11:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so it was!
11:21 asciilifeform in all fairness 34 had perfectly-replaceable parts.
11:22 mircea_popescu by 1945.
11:22 asciilifeform so much so that in the ukr wars a couple were taken down from monuments, and made to run.
11:22 asciilifeform 44.
11:22 mircea_popescu yeah well.
11:26 asciilifeform interestingly from the light of the 'tiger is a bolix' narrative, it was a quite close match despite the overengineer.
11:27 asciilifeform 1 tiger is said to have been match for 2-3 34. problem for germans is that they brought 5,6 per.
11:27 asciilifeform ( and, recall, the match ended when germany ran out of petrol, rather than tank )
11:30 asciilifeform the especially lulzy aspect of the finale, is that germans themselves invented the faustpatrone , the very same item that makes tank such a limited worth item today
11:30 mircea_popescu this then illustrates a principal line that constructs my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881924 ; to go with other main http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882318 and i think there;s maybe 2 or 3 more and that's it.
11:30 a111 Logged on 2018-12-19 19:31 mircea_popescu: phf i expect the accumulated value of the whole pile of "secrets" is about 0. and i further expect the entire value of the whole bolix stack neatly approximates the value of my stock of pogos.
11:30 a111 Logged on 2018-12-20 00:44 mircea_popescu: ~if~ those people were smart enough to build the item you describe, the ~reasonable expectation~ is they'd have been smart enough to behave ~muchly variant~ from the ~actual way they behaved~ in fields much easier to observe.
11:30 asciilifeform to this i'll say, germany -- lost war; but i still like my 'zeiss' binocular etc.
11:31 asciilifeform ( and mircea_popescu , seems to like his bmw )
11:31 mircea_popescu in any case, the problem in terms of "1 tiger is said to have been match for 2-3 t-34" is already misstated. the point is : marginal war gain per german soldier from tiger was like .1, marginal war gain per soviet soldier from t-34 was like 6.5
11:31 mircea_popescu THIS is what matters. the per capita productivity gain from capital investment.
11:31 mircea_popescu not "whose machine is spiffier".
11:31 asciilifeform the q of 'which machine spiffier' aint even meaningful outside of this frame
11:32 asciilifeform gotta count the losses as well as the gains tho.
11:32 asciilifeform in re the computational spaceheater wars -- the loss tally from 'overflowable arrays' is still a-runnin'.
11:32 mircea_popescu so in this sense, because the t-34 cost 18 units and provided 6.5 to 30 or so sovheads while tiger cost 77 units and provided .1 to 24 naziheads, we can resolve the matter : 18 for 195 vs 77 for 2.4
11:32 mircea_popescu no WONDER they couldn't make the shit fast enough.
11:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform war is specifically this arrangement where you don't count the losses. who's gonna fine the victor for his more expensive tanks in terms of "wildlife-variety" ?
11:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ought not to neglect the (explicit) driver of sov-style tech design : 'Солдат не жалеть, бабы еще нарожают!' (tm)(r)
11:34 mircea_popescu this is why people like engineering for war, too. it's a whole of a lot more fun to make a tank than a water boiler.
11:34 asciilifeform ( attributed to zhukov )
11:34 mircea_popescu right ?
11:36 asciilifeform to take the extreme end of the stick : the best antitank weapon of whole war, was... japan's
11:36 mircea_popescu specific example of why i say war is fun -- not only losses don't count, but their replenishment consists of fucking a buncha women, whether they want to or not.
11:36 asciilifeform 3 metre bamboo stick, with mine, contact detonator.
11:37 mircea_popescu not so clear why best, killed operator half the time
11:37 asciilifeform cuz бабы еще нарожают eh
11:37 asciilifeform ~100% time
11:37 asciilifeform best from pov of enemy materiel : own materiel cost ratio.
11:37 mircea_popescu unbest for japan, they had very much sparta problem -- dead japanese not replaceable through usual process
11:37 mircea_popescu even moreso than dead german.
11:38 mircea_popescu the winner of cockroach war was... cockroach union.
11:38 asciilifeform this problem ended up nailing ~everyone~
11:38 mircea_popescu except for the soviets, the chinese...
11:38 asciilifeform them also.
11:38 asciilifeform only writhed longer.
11:38 mircea_popescu in the end, the result of war is a perverse "cheapest man wins".
11:39 asciilifeform correct. and the opera replayed itself in miniature in the 'killermicro warz'
11:39 BingoBoingo In things that popped up in the spam hoppers: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pSMtK/?raw=true
11:40 mircea_popescu perhaps intuitively this is very much related (in the sense of descending from) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880251
11:40 a111 Logged on 2018-12-12 18:21 mircea_popescu: aanyway. labour allocation is broken and nobody has any better.
11:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc mircea_popescu posted the perl script that shits these at one pt
11:40 mircea_popescu "law firms", lawds have mercy.
11:40 BingoBoingo Still, first LAW alt I've seen
11:41 mircea_popescu what's the idea, nobody ever fucked an ambitious intern, can't imagine what "law firms" are like ?
11:42 BingoBoingo Likely
11:43 BingoBoingo IIrc the lawyering profession in the US isn't employing law school graduates anymore because what's the point of having ambitious interns if they are afraid to fuck them
11:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: last i knew , most of said graduates nowadays , get to take their arse, and its 250k of debt, to work in bureaucracy.
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11:44 asciilifeform where they start at the 50k/y (pre-tax!) rank.
11:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah, those are just the LUCKY ones.
11:45 BingoBoingo From what I've seen Law schools produce a lot of substitute teachers nowadays
11:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i have a distant relative, who 'ivy league'(tm)(r) 'perfect grade' etc etc and ended up as n-th lieutenant prosecutor in some arsehole, prosecuting 'dindus'
11:45 asciilifeform typical, as i understand, path, for these people.
11:46 asciilifeform iirc the 'law schools' were actually sued, for making concrete claims of employability of graduate, and ~lost~, but somehow this was magicked away.
11:47 BingoBoingo I know few lawschool graduates working for firm. A bunch working for local prosecutor or public defender, occasional ventures into private practice. THe one who got a "firm" job left it to do a stint managing East Saint Louis City government.
11:48 hanbot <asciilifeform> i'm surprised they dun build from ~that~ yet. << i met a chick from the architecture dept at the nat'l uni here whose professed goal was to see all places with native bamboo build with it exclusively. possibly the spiders get her first, but otherwise, "coming soon"...
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11:48 asciilifeform hanbot: washingtonistan very muchly belongs having vietnam-style dwellings, on bamboo stilts.
11:48 asciilifeform i hope -- succeeds.
11:49 asciilifeform at one time asciilifeform lived in a block of flat surrounded by bamboo, and would see the shoots erry morning, growing straight from gravel. invariably thought of that old chinese punishment
11:49 BingoBoingo Well swamp. Stilts/Pilings for light structures is all that should be in a swamp
11:50 asciilifeform y'know, where you pin the lucky customer to four stakes, and by next day bamboo grows out of him
11:51 hanbot oh hey i missed that one. yet another reason for pet koala.
11:51 asciilifeform panda, i presume
11:51 hanbot possibly even your raccoons would eat it
11:52 asciilifeform these will eat moar or less anyffin. even drywall.
11:52 asciilifeform the ultimate mouth.
11:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Might as well get some goats and take control of your local Cheesechain
11:53 asciilifeform recently i found that 1 of the trapped ones chewed most of the way through wooden '2x4' plank.
11:53 asciilifeform ( this in re : also mod6's woods! thread )
11:53 hanbot pity these can't be trained
11:54 asciilifeform hanbot: supposedly they can. i wouldn't undertake tho
11:54 asciilifeform some 19th c american circus man even trained grizzly.
11:54 asciilifeform ( not barnum, was some d00d since forgotten )
11:59 asciilifeform unrelatedly ( or maybe not?? ) , asciilifeform found that ch16 is turning into just about a miniature number theory schoolbook, will defo have to be trimmed
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11:59 asciilifeform ( went in that dir on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886905 )
11:59 a111 Logged on 2019-01-14 18:36 asciilifeform: ( readers should also prepare themselves for following proof of why m-r worx, i'ma not simply cite the lit )
11:59 BingoBoingo The fur apparently has some marketable value, but like other things in empire... there is a mess of rules
12:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: sell enuff furs in ameristan, and some Official derp will appear and demand to know where you took'em..
12:00 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887580 "A man can sit in a bamboo house under a bamboo roof, on a bamboo chair at a bamboo table ...."
12:00 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 15:53 asciilifeform: i'm surprised they dun build from ~that~ yet.
12:01 asciilifeform shinohai: recall how edison was genuinely convinced that the fyootoor of furniture was... ferrocement
12:01 asciilifeform lost good % of his moneys in this, in his last yrs
12:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Right. They'll also wank over what kinds of traps. Gotta deal with USG and local conservation police... Gotta plan your havest anticipating how many of what kinds of critters are going to find their way into your traps
12:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: racoon trap interestingly is ~100% species-selective
12:02 asciilifeform requires opposable thumb to set off.
12:02 shinohai Edison would be proud that one can print 3-D house using cement, with furniture built into walls.
12:02 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> shinohai: recall how edison was genuinely convinced that the fyootoor of furniture was... ferrocement << Plenty of people here living the complete ferrocement like without the roof.
12:04 asciilifeform shinohai: iirc they already build this : for 'supermax' prison. but i expect the tech will 'spread to konsoomer', yes
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12:06 BingoBoingo The US isn't Uruguay. The US can't afford to make ferrocement the residential building material. How will the police break in?
12:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: presumably with those demolition charges they already issue'em..
12:07 asciilifeform i expect it'll work in the 'self driving car'(tm) direction instead. 'drm' door locks itself, house now == jail
12:07 asciilifeform police pick up at leisure, when occupant is half-dead from hunger/thirst
12:08 BingoBoingo There's still the problem of making all that ferrocement
12:08 shinohai Coming soon to a ghetto near you: http://archive.is/I07K6
12:08 asciilifeform eh cement is the 1 kind of factory they still have errywhere in usa
12:08 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/amid-partial-shutdown-usg-certifies-security-of-microsoft-outlook-mobile/ << Qntra -- Amid Partial Shutdown USG Certifies "Security" Of Microsoft Outlook Mobile
12:08 asciilifeform shinohai: i see empty pg
12:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure, but cement factory pumps out evil carbon
12:09 shinohai gah, was supposed to be archive of https://singularityhub.com/2018/03/18/this-3d-printed-house-goes-up-in-a-day-for-under-10000/\
12:11 asciilifeform shinohai: the typical wooden hovel folx live inside in usa, costs maybe 1000 in cardboard/presswood. sheep still get sheared via http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887539 .
12:11 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 02:36 asciilifeform: it's hilarious, the hovel i'm in, at least has steel frames. nearby they recently built whole street of 100% cardboard/plastic , 'ONLY low 800s!' reads the billboard. 800k orcbux, that is.
12:11 asciilifeform the '800s' have 0 to do with the cost of the junk they build from.
12:12 BingoBoingo They've got fast food housing here too https://casa.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-459410839-isomodulos-uruguay-todo-en-isopanel-al-mejor-precio-_JM
12:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887720 << this is so.
12:12 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 16:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last i knew , most of said graduates nowadays , get to take their arse, and its 250k of debt, to work in bureaucracy.
12:12 shinohai I live in comfy brick home built in 1950's or so. Feels many times more solid than average McMansion
12:13 asciilifeform shinohai: i fully expect that they ~will~ find how to make the hovels even moar starvation-cheap, whether cement or inkjetted styrofoam or whatnot. and the same folx who pocket 800k nao, will pocket the 1mil they'll mandatorily sell for.
12:14 asciilifeform shinohai: there's maybe half a mil of these on whole continent, and nobody's building any moar of'em
12:14 asciilifeform 'It Would Be Wrong' or sumthing.
12:15 shinohai There was "subdivision" of new constructed homes nearby that had to be abandoned ~3 yrs ago, all were built using sheetrock from China which molded within weeks of being installed.
12:15 asciilifeform betcha the 'lucky' buyers still owe their 800k.
12:15 mircea_popescu as they fucking should.
12:16 mircea_popescu there's no possibility of economic activity outside of human buyer judging things
12:16 mircea_popescu if they abdicate from this, and "just want to", they belong rowing galley.
12:16 asciilifeform the judging does exactly 0, 'lemon market'.
12:19 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> shinohai: there's maybe half a mil of these on whole continent, and nobody's building any moar of'em << My hometown has large swaths of brick single family homes built to house workers for now defunct "my pet goat" condensed milk plant.
12:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform huh ?
12:20 asciilifeform i suppose it's still possible, even in usa, to buy lands far away from city, getting out of 'zoning law', and import white marble from italy and build castle. if yer rockefeller. i dun know rockefeller tho, so i've never set foot in 1 of these and have nfi re what specifically is involved.
12:20 asciilifeform errybody else lives in cardboard.
12:21 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu had an ancient ro piece about this
12:21 mircea_popescu riiight, cuz "organizing labour" in the sense of http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ is perfectly possible but organizing purchasing in the sense of killing the fucking degradation of life and every niggled standing in the way is perfectly impossible.
12:21 mircea_popescu because so spake the goddess or some dumb shit.
12:21 asciilifeform notably, buffett lives in cardboard.
12:21 shinohai I bought specifically because was brick and has actual hardwood floors, none of that composite/laminate shit.
12:22 mircea_popescu i wouldn't believe a single thing pr claims about buffett, seeing how that's the customary treatment for proven liars.
12:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i haven't been to his house, lol, so cannot attest to the troof/disinfo.
12:22 asciilifeform but d00d brags about it. ( or did, last i tuned in )
12:22 mircea_popescu he lives in usg-style hruscheba much like beria did.
12:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i.e. preserved item from pre-war ?
12:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887728 << one of the http://trilema.com/2016/pili/#selection-87.0-87.345 pilis i guess ?
12:25 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 16:48 hanbot: <asciilifeform> i'm surprised they dun build from ~that~ yet. << i met a chick from the architecture dept at the nat'l uni here whose professed goal was to see all places with native bamboo build with it exclusively. possibly the spiders get her first, but otherwise, "coming soon"...
12:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know what celebrity endorsements are ? "eat your gruel, tommy, just like Nigglet McAthlete does!"
12:26 asciilifeform 'buy kasparov-brand chess knife!!'
12:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a point tho! i nearly forgot that buffett ~sells~ cardboard hovels.
12:27 asciilifeform naturally will claim to inhabit one.
12:27 mircea_popescu heh.
12:27 mircea_popescu dat kasparov brand chess knife thing is epic. ima use it.
12:27 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/phantastes-para-leer/ << Trilema -- Phantastes. Para leer.
12:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887746 << not necessarily. try and find such schoolbook online.
12:28 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 16:59 asciilifeform: unrelatedly ( or maybe not?? ) , asciilifeform found that ch16 is turning into just about a miniature number theory schoolbook, will defo have to be trimmed
12:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ru-speaking folk have 0 prob finding whole sovok curriculum on www..
12:29 asciilifeform re english folx, slightly harder ( but only slightly )
12:29 BingoBoingo shinohai: Typical condensed milk plant era construction in hometown https://archive.is/YiMUX https://archive.is/HjtFv
12:29 asciilifeform i'ma leave the item in, tho, if mircea_popescu thinks it's a + idea
12:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: we have these here; typically the brickwork is decorative
12:30 asciilifeform observe that it is very easy to tell with naked eye
12:30 asciilifeform ... actual brickwork has butt-end bricks
12:30 asciilifeform decorative -- only side-laid
12:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887760 << what is small prison if not staging area for big prison.
12:31 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 17:04 asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc they already build this : for 'supermax' prison. but i expect the tech will 'spread to konsoomer', yes
12:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, german peasant cargo cults
12:31 asciilifeform i've confronted various (nominally literate) ameri-folx with the brick litmus, was surprised at one pt how many had nfi
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12:32 shinohai it appears homes were slightly better constructed there BingoBoingo ... most "factory worker houses" in smaller towns here are old duplexes, with asbestos siding no less.
12:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887824 << yet you persist believing such a thing as a schoolbook is available to them.
12:34 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 17:31 asciilifeform: i've confronted various (nominally literate) ameri-folx with the brick litmus, was surprised at one pt how many had nfi
12:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly my model of 'available' is off.
12:35 trinque asciilifeform: was hilarious when harvey came through and ripped these brick facades off the suburban wasp nests
12:36 asciilifeform trinque: they scatter like pinyata.
12:36 asciilifeform with the brickwork forming bonus shrapnel.
12:40 trinque I take these to be the people that shouldn't have houses having been given too much, not *their* decay. they're doing better than they've ever been.
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12:40 trinque plenty of rich as hell folks in houston living in concrete and steel, like sensible people do in hurricane zones
12:41 asciilifeform trinque: there's rich folx living in old rocket shafts in nebraska even.
12:41 asciilifeform again i haven't met in person.
12:41 asciilifeform most of usa -- cardboard.
12:41 asciilifeform ( quite unlike, e.g. uruguay )
12:42 asciilifeform at one time it was possible to buy title to old rocket shaft for approx what cardboard house costs.
12:42 asciilifeform ( substantial, as i understand, 'diy project', to make it livable. but some people -- did )
12:43 trinque I wager the uruguayan suburbs are favela-tier
12:43 trinque where the american burbs oughta be.
12:44 asciilifeform trinque: tbf i did not go to the favela. but inside the city walls, the worst dwellings were approx baltimore-type.
12:44 asciilifeform i.e. old brick.
12:45 BingoBoingo <trinque> I wager the uruguayan suburbs are favela-tier << Favelas with a lot of concrete
12:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that's called... hruscheba
12:46 asciilifeform ( orig word was a play on трущоба ( slu
12:46 asciilifeform m, favela )
12:46 asciilifeform + hruschev.
12:47 asciilifeform under whose decree a great many were hastily built
12:47 asciilifeform in ro the shoemaker did similar thing, mircea_popescu described in detail
12:48 BingoBoingo Some samples from Las Piedras http://archive.is/8YA93 http://archive.is/AHfAN
12:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: observe how even to the poorest orcs, it dun occur to build dwelling from cardboards
12:49 asciilifeform they find, somehow , cement mixer, somewhere.
12:51 trinque if they had it, would buy. same reason as when I was in CR there was a huge line of natives for the mcd's and starbucks
12:51 trinque if they had more money, that mcds would sprout a whole suburb of them around it.
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12:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: may recall, at one time asciilifeform was infected with crackpot idea, 'why not buy old stone thing in bmore'. actually went on site, talked to the orcs. concluded that proj was massively -ev, couldnt afford to defend properly.
12:52 trinque I hear hipsters are doing this in detroit these days, not even all getting killed by the natives
12:52 asciilifeform trinque: i was in BingoBoingostan when a 'starbux' opened its first day of biz. queue was iirc kilometre
12:52 BingoBoingo trinque: Here the culture views McDonalds as classy.
12:52 asciilifeform trinque: they're living in cardboard, iirc. new construction in specially-designated reservations.
12:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Starbucks is not classy anymore. It is the low rent knockoff version of McCafe now
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12:53 trinque right, so economics alone are keeping them from the wasp nest neighborhoods, which is my point.
12:53 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> trinque: they're living in cardboard, iirc. new construction in specially-designated reservations. << AHA, Carrasco where the stores have parking lots! Just like US suburbs!
12:55 asciilifeform trinque: the 'next turn of the screw' appears to be... american ver. of sovok 'communal flats'. they're building'em here, near university, to the exclusion of near errything else
12:56 asciilifeform 4-5 rooms share kitchen/toilet/hall, same as in ye olde communist world
12:56 asciilifeform euphemistically labeled 'student' flats
12:56 BingoBoingo AHA, like the Peruana's pension tucked behind a kiosko!
12:56 asciilifeform but good % of the folx signing the leases, are graduates
12:58 asciilifeform interestingly, they're building a tram (!) also. apparently the last lizards who disassembled the original washintonistani trams in 1970s, have finally croaked. ( new tram, however, will go strictly to/from the communal flats and the bureaucratic shitholes where 'employed' )
12:58 BingoBoingo More bottom of the market favela finds http://archive.is/T2QsT http://archive.is/npB22 From here the next step down includes improvised shelters, refrigerator boxes, and actual holes in exterior walls.
12:59 asciilifeform lol 30 m^2
12:59 asciilifeform like jail
13:00 asciilifeform guten tag, Mocky
13:00 trinque in related cardboardization, the girl and I were looking into live vaccines for hypothetical spawn. apparently they're being phased out by the derps that be.
13:01 Mocky howdy asciilifeform
13:02 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> lol 30 m^2 << Smaller
13:02 asciilifeform trinque: iirc in usa you get to pick b/w 'vaccine is the devil's work' and 'load'im up on errything, incl. some radwaste for good measure'
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13:02 asciilifeform ben_vulpes prolly has the details.
13:02 asciilifeform Mocky: how did the work search go ?
13:03 Mocky instead of an offer for this one prospect I got "one more interview, next week" but still imo looks probable
13:03 asciilifeform trinque: even in BingoBoingostan , asciilifeform had a hell of a time drinking from 'the mumps cup' to the terrified faces of onlookers
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13:04 BingoBoingo The standard for a pension or residencia estudiantil is 1.5-5 bed lengths deep and 3-5 bed widths wide. But unlike apartments they tend to come furnished. With "placares" even.
13:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo recall this ? in that coffee room.
13:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: AHA
13:05 BingoBoingo The mumps outbreak of similar character to US University mumps outbreaks.
13:09 BingoBoingo Here we have an elusive creature. A property offered for rent with hope the person renting it will subdivide it into smaller rentals: http://archive.is/GAXEp
13:10 asciilifeform ... is it also 'hoped' that he'll 'rent out the space in his nostrils' lol
13:11 trinque man I hate people that let materials accumulate like that. oh, that's my palette collection, and here's a single tile, just in case
13:13 BingoBoingo trinque: Much of that was likely accumulated intentionally via dumpster mining
13:15 BingoBoingo This is informative http://trilema.com/2014/colonia-uruguay/#selection-228.1-233.82
13:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887832 << there's some meat on this skeleton, recall chucka burning down sovok wood flooring to make cookpot go
13:20 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 17:40 trinque: I take these to be the people that shouldn't have houses having been given too much, not *their* decay. they're doing better than they've ever been.
13:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887855 << occured already, the heredia-alajuela banzone is entirely this.
13:22 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 17:51 trinque: if they had more money, that mcds would sprout a whole suburb of them around it.
13:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887861 << hysterically enough, mcd actually trying to position itself "upmarket", yes.
13:23 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 17:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Starbucks is not classy anymore. It is the low rent knockoff version of McCafe now
13:23 trinque saw the mcd's and "aw fuck, it's got spores"
13:25 mircea_popescu heh
13:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887877 << this is very much the case ; muchly reminiscent re your point of "why can't i buy just the sanity of vegan" or somesuch.
13:26 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 18:02 asciilifeform: trinque: iirc in usa you get to pick b/w 'vaccine is the devil's work' and 'load'im up on errything, incl. some radwaste for good measure'
13:26 mircea_popescu "organic" maybe it was.
13:26 mircea_popescu the empire of idiots manages to construct two ~equally idiotic non-alternatives out of everything.
13:27 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: In Uruguay it *is* upmarket
13:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-15#1406177 << possibly thread
13:28 a111 Logged on 2016-02-15 17:58 asciilifeform: specifically how there is no place in usa where one can 'i will pay double for non-monsanto but i don't give a fuck about 'gmo' and i sure as fuck don't want to see homeopathic crud in the shop'
13:29 asciilifeform + http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-03#1260587
13:29 a111 Logged on 2015-09-03 01:38 asciilifeform: e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop
13:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall, it's the magick land of 'which can of pepsi wouldja like, left or right'
13:32 asciilifeform there's ~2 ~indistinguishable 'alternatives' to errything.
13:32 asciilifeform conveniently painted in diff colours.
13:40 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/former-mexican-president-enrique-pena-nieto-accused-of-taking-250-million-usd-bribe-by-usg-witness-as-guzman-trial-continues/ << Qntra -- Former Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto Accused Of Taking 250 Million USD Bribe By USG Witness As Guzman Trial Continues
13:41 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-in-dating/#footnote_0_63520 << was upmarket briefly in ro of 1990s also
13:43 mircea_popescu heh, usg basically cannibalizing its foreign service. not being able to defend allies is one thing, but who the fuck is ever going to deal with them again.
13:44 asciilifeform hey last i recall e.g. karzai's $100m monthly 'hercules' crate was openly aired , d00d still on throne
13:50 asciilifeform meanwhile, in entomology dept, https://archive.is/OupVT
13:51 asciilifeform ( and yep it's the defrocked physics d00d from old thread )
13:56 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'm thinking to switch off the raid auto-walk ( http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887553 ) currently, and set it going manually during a maintenance window that we'll announce after folx are seated on the rk.
13:56 a111 Logged on 2019-01-16 14:07 asciilifeform: incidentally : raid verify is set for midnight saturday. which iirc was the time of the first reset.
13:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Aite
13:58 asciilifeform speaking of which, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887330 ! uy1 folx, that means you !
13:58 a111 Logged on 2019-01-15 20:08 asciilifeform: ( invited to pgp ssh key + any particular reqs to BingoBoingo & asciilifeform )
13:58 asciilifeform plox to request accts.
13:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ftr, the samsung ssds are pretty good : i have identical card here, with identical drives, in 3.5yrs of 24/7 operation it corrected a misparitied block ~once~
13:59 asciilifeform ( it walks erry friday )
14:00 asciilifeform ( back when it had mechanical platters, this was a ~monthly occurrence )
14:01 mircea_popescu come to think about it, locklin fits very well in the impudent imbecile gallery, with yarvin, yukowsky and whatall else, 70s to 90s born fleshwastes.
14:03 BingoBoingo Well, Locklin's only had 5 going on 6 years to surrender and yet...
14:05 mircea_popescu surrender ~what~ ?
14:05 mircea_popescu you understand this, yes, there's gotta be something there to surrender, you can't surrender bare swamp.
14:06 BingoBoingo Surrender his determination to imbicil and join a slave galley
14:06 mircea_popescu where he'd be doing exactly the same, plus/minus one red stapler ?
14:06 mircea_popescu seems rather the work of coincidence.
14:07 BingoBoingo Depends where he galleys? He could get aquainted with ball gag lip chafing
14:07 mircea_popescu yeah, there's such demand for middle aged males on that market.
14:11 BingoBoingo If he's pale enough the Saudis or Qataris might take him
14:12 asciilifeform d00d's a defrocked academic, iirc toils in 'hedge funds' etc
14:13 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in local news: Free Bicycles available on the Rambla as a matter of Penal Policy http://archive.is/o6y2V
14:24 mircea_popescu "This last paranthesis also explains why crime fightin' is never a "the people" affair, in case you're curious. It's not some sort of evil conspiracy to keep "the citizens" ("the people" call themselves that when unsure of their footing) from exercising "justice". It's just that practically, left to their own devices, "the people" couldn't care less." or how did that go.
14:29 BingoBoingo Pretty much. They just don't care.
14:30 BingoBoingo They want homeostatsis
14:30 BingoBoingo They preferred 2009's homeostasis to 2019's but...
14:33 mircea_popescu kings/march lords hanging people for poaching venison is so unfair, anyway.
14:38 BingoBoingo Hey, the amount of old woman wailing over their pobre angelitos dying is increasing as the angelitos in question get shot breaking into a man's residence/place of business
14:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it aint as if there were no highwaymen back when marchlord
14:45 asciilifeform ( and funnily enuff, uptick in petty criminality during imperial collapse appears even in apuleius's thing )
14:53 mircea_popescu sure. what, the point was to ensure "no highwaymen" ? the point was to ensure ~no highwaywomen~. and that -- fucking ensured, no taming-of-the-shrew era shrew, howsoever "empowered" etcetera, dared highway.
14:55 asciilifeform iirc there may have been sea pirate female, but dunno how credible the reports.
14:56 mircea_popescu indeed. i believe, factual.
14:57 mircea_popescu vapor pressure, rite. if you hang for piracy as well as highway robbery (1/100 the capital goods costs) competent females will be found in piracy not in highway robbery, because female vapor pressure ~0.
~ 23 minutes ~
15:20 mircea_popescu meanwhile in reverse dirty-old-man-isms, i just bid nude girly dress and go buy me cookies.
15:21 mircea_popescu as opposed to my buying cookies to give girly so she takes her clothes off.
15:25 asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ryJiN/?raw=true << limonov's ditty re fem pirate
15:29 mircea_popescu лугах Ийоркшира keks
~ 3 hours 44 minutes ~
19:14 mircea_popescu shinohai you don't belong to what now ?
19:18 shinohai hmm ?
19:32 shinohai I was afk, not sure what mircea_popescu means.
~ 19 minutes ~
19:51 mircea_popescu * shinohai has quit (Quit: No, I do not belong to The Most Delusional Republic)
19:57 shinohai lmao forgot I had put that there when kakobrekla kept asking why I wasn't over in tmdr xD
~ 29 minutes ~
20:27 feedbot http://thewhet.net/2019/01/perambulating-mp-pretense-vs-pretense/ << The Whet -- Perambulating MP: Pretense vs. Pretense
20:40 mod6 Another loooong day today.
20:40 * mod6 reads up
20:42 hanbot * shinohai has quit (Quit: No, I do not belong to The Most Delusional Republic) << the amusing part being that it'd seem that's the only republic you -do- belong to.
20:48 mircea_popescu ouch.
20:49 shinohai heh
~ 28 minutes ~
21:18 asciilifeform meanwhile uy1 cpu at 52C, raid card at 63 (for the latter, 'critical' mark is 70)
21:19 asciilifeform still waitin' to hear from the znc-on-uy1 people, whether any want a rk acct.
21:20 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: ty for the temp update
21:20 mod6 Thanks for the update asciilifeform
21:20 mod6 Super weird.
21:21 asciilifeform mod6: sadly not weird, these run ridiculously hot
21:21 asciilifeform i have one that avgs 80C here
21:21 asciilifeform ( no eggogs tho, from it... )
21:22 asciilifeform i can't picture why, even, unless these people baked it from ecl or sumthing
21:22 mod6 no, i mean, what's super weird is that it hasn't crashed since we started really looking into it.
21:22 asciilifeform mod6: my current hypothesis is that it'll fall down again when raid walk.
21:23 mod6 kinda typical actually. car makes bad sound while driving it for weeks, when you bring it to the mechanic and explain the sound, he drives it, no sound.
21:23 asciilifeform i'ma 'drive' it till it 'makes sound'.
21:23 mod6 :] *thumbsup*
21:24 asciilifeform would like to , 1st, give the znc people a chance to sit down on rk, if they can be aroused to.
21:26 mod6 sure.
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