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00:05 mircea_popescu srsly ?
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00:40 mircea_popescu https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+%22mircea+popescu%22&t=ffsb&iax=images&ia=images << in other lulz, i fucking love the results. a buncha dorks and a buncha sluts, what more can you ask for.
~ 22 minutes ~
01:02 mircea_popescu in vaguely related lulz, apparently http://www.playmates.com/ died sometime last year, quietly forgotten by everyone.
01:03 mircea_popescu all these "valuable properties" of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853182 ilk, "online real estate" etc.
01:03 a111 Logged on 2018-09-23 21:16 mircea_popescu: which is eerily similar to what these shits ever sell on an open market, be it myspace, slashdot, or whatever else.
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01:40 mircea_popescu https://www.playboy.com/read/don-t-fall-for-the-gop-s-scapegoating-of-steve-king-1 << domain squatted by Really Angry Pantsuit (tm), amusingly enough. because totally, that's exactly how this game works, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-21#1247708 etcetera.
01:40 a111 Logged on 2015-08-21 23:21 mircea_popescu: "Welcome, kiddo, to how the real world works. You go ahead and place your crazy protest bids way off in the bottom of the sociological order book and scream that someday, SOMEDAY, the market will come down to meet you, and you will be vindicated.
01:40 mircea_popescu we're totally gonna start caring about pantsuit talking points nao!
01:41 mircea_popescu "Jeffrey Smith ‏Verified account @Smith_JeffreyT 3h3 hours ago Jeffrey Smith Retweeted Jon Ossoff
01:41 mircea_popescu The apparent murder of journalist Ahmed Divela is chilling. Ghana is recognized by many, including me, as a vibrant, strong democracy and an example for the continent in many ways. " meanwhile in related lulz.
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06:30 diana_coman trinque, is deedbot down?
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09:28 mircea_popescu * deedbot has quit (*.net *.split) <
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10:37 trinque ty
10:40 asciilifeform guten morgen trinque et al
10:45 mod6 Mornin' #trilema
10:45 BingoBoingo Buen día
10:55 asciilifeform meanwhile, uy1 - alive, temps within range, etc
11:00 mod6 Thx asciilifeform
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12:27 lobbes asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cjnxG/?raw=true
12:28 asciilifeform danke schon, lobbes !
12:40 lobbes gern geschehen
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14:30 asciilifeform meanwhile in iron noose, https://www.chip1stop.com/USA/en/view/dispDetail/DispDetail?partId=SOCI-0000001&cid=SOCIEB << chinese, claims to sell 24core arm box with expandable ecc ram holes. ~1.2k usd.
14:30 asciilifeform afaik this is a 1st.
14:31 asciilifeform ( whether subj item is terraformable rk-style, is yet unknown to asciilifeform )
14:35 mircea_popescu https://metapedia.org/ << in other lulz, i had nfi item even existed. anyone know what "traditional enemies" even means there ?!
14:40 asciilifeform https://archive.is/9NDzd << cached. still can't make heads or tails of it tho.
14:44 mircea_popescu so like wiki-*
14:44 asciilifeform if it was somehow diff from ordinary pediwik, this cannot be determined from the cache
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15:07 mod6 Would be awesome if Pizzaro could sell iron that can run cuntoo + ffa + fg + trb out of the gate [ + others too, i.e. eulora, etc ]
15:07 mod6 If that chinese iron could get the job done for a reasonable rate.. could be pretty good offering.
15:08 asciilifeform mod6: currently much moar pedestrian concern: seems like we have 1st instance of a dead rk.
15:08 mod6 Ah. Hmm. I'll read up in #piz
15:08 asciilifeform mod6: debug log is there
15:11 mod6 ahem: *Pizarro
15:20 asciilifeform mod6: i'ma ship new rk + a few spares to BingoBoingo ( who appears to have solved his orc customs problems ) , but the find is concerning in re the wisdom of installing 9000 of'em
15:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo agreed to house lobbes et al on his personal rk, until the swap is made, he will fill in the details when he gets back to his console
15:20 mod6 *thumbsup*
15:21 mod6 I agree about the re-thinking of the 32 new boards.
15:21 asciilifeform mod6: note that there is still not afaik anything like a candidate for 'rk, but better'
15:21 mod6 understood.
15:22 asciilifeform it appears that we'll still have to construct a larger rk plant, but they will have to be physically racked in such a way as to be replaceable without taking down whole plant
15:22 asciilifeform this complicates the design of same.
15:23 * asciilifeform looked at erry available rk board on market in last coupla hrs, they are all either of substantially inferior spec, or cost no less than 3x moar per
15:23 mod6 We aught to look at costs of full size env's that would fit the bill for TMSR~ tooling. Then establish how many we would need & charge for to get out of the red.
15:23 asciilifeform mod6: what means 'full size' here ?
15:24 mod6 Envs that have at least 4 logical cores, 8 Gb RAM, and minimum 1Tb ssd.
15:24 asciilifeform mod6: afaik that means 1u x86, given current state of art.
15:25 mod6 I guess I should say, that I'm not sure exactly. But we should do a bunch of anaysis to see what would be the best play for capital allocation.
15:25 asciilifeform and these have monumental cost of transport, as already established.
15:25 asciilifeform is the reason why asciilifeform went with 'pack as much into ea. 1u x86 as physically possible' when init buildout.
15:25 mod6 yeah.
15:26 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/3cRY7#selection-1855.167-1855.241 << in other lulz, notwithstanding the text, there depicted is ~romanian~ (if the soviet-style ro army uniforms didn't make it plain enough) nicolae ciuca.
15:26 mod6 Just some food for thought over the next, say, 72 hours.
15:26 mircea_popescu !#s ciuca
15:26 a111 1 result for "ciuca", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ciuca
15:26 mircea_popescu hmmm... i thought i mentioned the fellow.
15:27 asciilifeform oh ha stalin-era epaulettes etc
15:28 mircea_popescu am i oversensitive or are the dorks actually trying to pass the guy for guler, on the grounds that "what do ustards know" ?
15:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what was the rk problem anyways ?
15:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect that yer right, and the monkeys went 'eh, orcs, what's 1, what's another'
15:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the idle rk that was to house lobbes et al, has turned up dead.
15:34 mircea_popescu as in won't boot ?!
15:34 asciilifeform cpu executes random instruction periodically, with lulzy results
15:34 asciilifeform i'ma post a few sample dumps in a min
15:34 mircea_popescu sounds like a botched fw "upgrade" ?
15:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's no 'fw' on rk.
15:34 mircea_popescu how do we know ?
15:35 asciilifeform ok, let's rephrase, there's no detectable fw on rk.
15:35 asciilifeform it runs instrs from mask rom on boot, then loads my kernel.
15:35 mircea_popescu i have ~never~ heard of a cpu that ~genuinely~ fandango'd instructions. each and EVERY single one of the ~scant few~ dozen cases was stuxnet-like
15:36 asciilifeform i'ma have BingoBoingo send me the retired board via snailmails, possibly we find sumething interesting about it
15:36 asciilifeform i suspect it's straight chinesium
15:36 mircea_popescu how the fuck would this even work, indulge me. arm processor just invents rng opcode ?
15:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'ma post lulzdump for the pleasure of mircea_popescu et al in a min.
15:36 mircea_popescu cool.
15:37 * mircea_popescu pages ave1 too, it'd be a pity to miss such
15:39 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_1.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_2.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_3.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_4.txt
15:40 asciilifeform and in between these actually booted up and ssh-reachable but then panicked in few min
15:40 asciilifeform all 4 .txt are from the serial console uart, if it aint obvious
15:40 asciilifeform initially suspected a dead drive, these produce similar symptoms ( garbage when reading disk ), had BingoBoingo fetch brand-new one from spares stash
15:41 asciilifeform imaged spare -- same res.
15:42 asciilifeform near as i can tell, thing ends up fetching bitrotted blox from disk (ssd stix) and dies, unsurprisingly, at ~rando
15:42 asciilifeform near as i can tell, thing ends up fetching bitrotted blox from disk (ssd stix) and dies, unsurprisingly, at ~random points in first few min of life
15:42 asciilifeform grrr 1s
15:42 mod6 You recently added the thermal module right?
15:43 mircea_popescu so the init doesn't complete
15:43 asciilifeform mod6: BingoBoingo added forced air when we installed disks
15:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on 1 run, completed, death came 30sec into ssh session
15:43 mod6 aka 'rockchip-thermal' or is that in the default kern?
15:43 asciilifeform mod6: that's neither here nor there, it's a cpu temp reader thing
15:43 asciilifeform mod6: i thought you were asking re forced air
15:43 mod6 Just was wondering if that was somehow making the thing barf.
15:43 mircea_popescu hm
15:44 asciilifeform asciilifeform's kernel for rk does not support loadable modules
15:44 asciilifeform and all 5 functioning units are running same.
15:44 mod6 Alright
15:45 mircea_popescu looky : yet in ~every~ case it initializes the ram.
15:45 asciilifeform asciilifeform-baked softs on this unit are identical to the other 5.
15:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not only, it does make it to the kernel
15:45 mircea_popescu that's by far the larger spot. how does this broken cpu get through ddr ?
15:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suspect zapped , somehow, usb controller
15:45 asciilifeform possibly as consequence of cleaning, or of the earlier dud drives ( tho none of other 5 were similarly afflicted )
15:46 asciilifeform i.e. it gets through 1) mask rom 2) load of kernel from sd
15:46 asciilifeform dies when kernel begins to load things off the stick.
15:46 asciilifeform hence why i initially said 'hey, BingoBoingo , loox like another dead stick..'
15:47 asciilifeform notably, a test using the auxiliary (usb2.0) jack returned same result.
15:48 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu or anybody else can think of other interesting tests to conduct on this sad box, i'm all ears.
15:48 asciilifeform a test with independent (from other 5) power supply, also returned same.
15:48 asciilifeform BingoBoingo sweated in the cage for last coupla hrs , tryin' these.
15:51 asciilifeform i asked him to go there when i sat down to make accts for the uy1 people on the thing, and found that : 'ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer'
15:51 asciilifeform previously only ever saw this on boxes with dead disks. what happens there is that sshd eats new connection and then goes to read from hdd and unix eggogs, so it drops
15:52 asciilifeform on reset , thing failed to revv up to pingability at all. so i asked for the uart snake.
15:52 asciilifeform and we went from there.
16:01 asciilifeform i picked rk orig. not even because of price, but specifically cuz it contains, on the pcb itself, nuffin (known to be) writeable, all of state is loaded from sd and afterwards usb. so i dun expect to be able to tell much from autopsy of the unit, when i get it here
16:03 asciilifeform given as the other 5 units of pilot plant are still standing, i suspect straight chinese rot, rather than bomb.
16:03 asciilifeform but cannot specifically show either way atm.
16:05 mircea_popescu well, i'm not sure what your decision tree is like, exactly. but proceeding logically : 1) it can not be the case cpu is sad on rk ; 2) it is not shown that deffect is organic rather than nsatronic ; 3) the selling point of rk is cheapness/disposability. you can afford to throw these away, unlike an adult server board+deckings.
16:06 mircea_popescu now, if indeed per 2 enemy can perma-trash your boxes, then 3 becomes moot.
16:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all of this is troo
16:06 asciilifeform not sure why enemy would start with idle unit rather than, e.g., diana_coman's, tho
16:06 mircea_popescu otherwise, you amply do not care : a box that crashes on diddling is as valuable as an undiddlable box.
16:06 mircea_popescu they are affordable, and so you have a very strong position there.
16:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hence my earlier observation. we still gotta build 2nd plant, but it'll have to be constructed slightly differently, initially i was gonna stack'em
16:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im just saying, that the only serious problem here is if in fact eve can fuck your box by feeding it magic packet
16:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if 'magic packet', then decision tree of enemy is somewhat perplexing, why start with only 1 box ( why not nuke all 6 ? and have asciilifeform chasing dud power supply etc ) , or why not start with a live box.
16:08 mircea_popescu nfi.
16:09 mircea_popescu it certainly could be a failing coupling in usb jack, or somesuch.
16:09 asciilifeform 2 jacks.
16:10 asciilifeform the problem with the whole thing being 'disposable', i.e. housed on 3chips (the cpu, ethernet, and ram, seem to be the only separate crystals on the pcb) , is that nuffin useful can be squeezed from the dud.
16:11 asciilifeform if one supposes 'organic' failure, 1 out of 6 boards smoked in the span of <9 months, is pretty high smoke rate.
16:12 asciilifeform i'd quite like to 'ha, i'ma throw rk, and use $x', but i haven't any lead on a usable $x.
16:12 * BingoBoingo suspects USB controller gone sad, Going to extract sad RK when the fingers are feeling nimbler
16:12 asciilifeform ohai BingoBoingo
16:12 BingoBoingo hai
16:14 * BingoBoingo trying to limit the multitasking
16:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: quite annoyingly, usb controller is on-die peripheral on rk3328.
16:14 asciilifeform so not even possible to 'let's detach from pcb in asciilifeform's torture room and see if dud usb ic'
16:15 mod6 Ah, :/
16:16 asciilifeform mod6: why didja think they were small & cheap. nearly errything is on 1 ic.
16:16 mod6 makes sense.
16:16 mircea_popescu i still don't see the problem, 1 in 6 failure rate ? was the one closest to the suspected hotbox from prev week ?
16:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they're all in a breadbox-sized shelf, quite far from uy1. and with own forced air.
16:17 mircea_popescu logs yu published do look like intermittend ssd failure.
16:17 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's not particularly close. Spent a good chunk of time cleaning it yesterday. This particular one has been iffy since the sad cheep USBs started failing.
16:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ikr?
16:18 mircea_popescu yes.
16:18 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what;s iffy mean here ?
16:18 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Took multiple power cycling to boot up in a way that responds to ping.
16:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc it stood up when we swapped disks the earlier time. but no one's lived in it since.
16:18 diana_coman did this RK died while being unused ? a log search for it shows only something in August last year - new master img deployed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840376
16:18 a111 Logged on 2018-08-08 16:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma test new kernel today, then tomorrow will ask BingoBoingo to power down rk-c and put disk in dulap to i can snap new master img, then it will go into service ( and can reimage BingoBoingo also ) .
16:19 asciilifeform diana_coman: correct
16:19 asciilifeform uninhabited since it disk swap; last housed mod6 ( who moved to a vacant, at the time, unit, when we swapped disks )
16:19 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> uninhabited since it disk swap; last housed mod6 ( who moved to a vacant, at the time, unit, when we swapped disks ) << Uninhabited last housed me.
16:19 asciilifeform ah
16:20 asciilifeform diana_coman's point stands tho, conceivable that it was already rotten even then
16:20 BingoBoingo Is that vacant one because stood up with the vacant RK drive but fought my image.
16:20 asciilifeform so could be 'bathtub curve'
16:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'ma order 3 rk's.
16:21 asciilifeform ( simply for pilot spares, for nao ; others later )
16:21 diana_coman is that repeated power cycle something that was encountered before?
16:21 asciilifeform diana_coman: not iirc. BingoBoingo did you observe this prior ?
16:21 asciilifeform and if so, when
16:22 diana_coman or was it even possible to figure out what required it / what was the underlying issue?
16:22 asciilifeform ( chalked up to dirty contacts ? )
16:22 asciilifeform diana_coman: the problem with these boxes, is that there is essentially 0 meaningful debug possible
16:22 asciilifeform aside from 'it boots' 'it dies'
16:22 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's the behavior we observed with the sad drives. Have not observed this post sad drives on any other RK.
16:22 asciilifeform there's the uart, and that's ~it
16:23 diana_coman yes, I'm scratching here at anything at all; not much I can see otherwise
16:23 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'm all ears, even re the oddest hypothesis anybody can think of.
16:24 diana_coman did this one die with a sad drive too or was it changed before it really died on it?
16:24 BingoBoingo diana_coman: This one died with sad drive as well
16:24 asciilifeform diana_coman: died with sad drive.
16:24 asciilifeform was stood up again with new drive. ( and then ~again~ today with fresh one , of same type as presently used by e.g. diana_coman ), same res.
16:25 diana_coman so at first new drive it required several power cycles but then it seemed fine?
16:25 BingoBoingo residue from sad drive contacts was was removed like on the other RK's
16:25 asciilifeform asciilifeform was gettin' ready to grumble re rotten usb drives in the l0gz today. instead nao grumbles re dead rk..
16:25 BingoBoingo <diana_coman> so at first new drive it required several power cycles but then it seemed fine? << But only with the vacant drive. Not with my RK drive.
16:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i think diana_coman's q is re the time it was stood up with new drive in aug. do you recall any peculiarity re rk-c at end of that ?
16:26 diana_coman I guess it's hard to tell whether it wasn't rotten at that time already; for some reason (what?!) worse than the others aka not just the drive
16:27 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'd luvv to establish an exact time of death for the thing. presently unknown tho.
16:27 diana_coman I suppose it might be worth adding some automated daily check at least connects? gives time of day/whatever? for unused units
16:27 diana_coman so at least you don't get surprises when you need to use them
16:28 asciilifeform diana_coman: once we actually have vacant rk again, i'ma absolutely institute mechanical life tests for'em.
16:28 asciilifeform given as they apparently are made of toiletpaper.
16:28 BingoBoingo It had more drive insertions, removals, and power cycles than the others.
16:29 * asciilifeform nao has mega-headache, will return in ~2hr
16:31 BingoBoingo FWIW the email spam folder has a lot of spam with attachments today. Usual month ~0 of these
16:32 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/cetateni-jurnalisti-si-liceeni-jurnalisti/#selection-77.445-77.1377 << in other lulz, check out the endless list of names of anonymous nobodies.
16:33 mircea_popescu short decade ago, these self-same morons convinced themselves and maybe any dependent preteen children / some dumber than average wives&girlfriends they "run the world", or as close an approximation to that vaunted state as practicable.
16:34 mircea_popescu remarkably no jews there either.
16:44 BingoBoingo !Qlater tell lobbes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nBG6Y/?raw=true
16:44 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
16:47 BingoBoingo If you have been using Pizarro shared hosting your IRC bouncer you are invited to stand up an IRC bouncer on my Rockchip as the vacant Rockchip appears to have failed.
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17:19 lobbes ty BingoBoingo. login successful. Will attempt irssi setup later and report back
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17:19 lobbesbot lobbes: Sent 34 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nBG6Y/?raw=true
17:19 BingoBoingo lobbes ty
17:19 BingoBoingo About to do some errands
17:21 mod6 Sounds good, thanks for your sweat today.
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19:12 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/01/trump-cancels-pantsuit-vacation-party/ << Qntra -- Trump Cancels Pantsuit Vacation Party
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21:37 asciilifeform in other noose, Official mainline linux kernel nao infected with gcc7ism : https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/1022874/
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21:39 asciilifeform ( under guise of supposed cure for 'meltdown' . tldr : not cure, noshit. and 'why don't you want gcc7, terrorist' )
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22:37 mircea_popescu i can't believe their process still includes email.
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23:36 mircea_popescu https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5306605/Millionaire-baronet-Sir-Benjamin-Slade-70-single.html << meanwhile in other lulz, fellow looking for castle training breeder.
23:36 mircea_popescu castle trained*
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