#trilema | 2019-01-14

asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wl72x/?raw=true

~ 30 minutes ~

08:46

mircea_popescu: this is a mega-point

08:46

yw.

08:50

aand i'ma apply the supplied algo.

09:03

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886522 <<< Thanx, also will report to diana_coman if configuring out bullet has any negative consequences, so far everything renders correctly as far as I can tell.

09:03

Logged on 2019-01-13 20:50 mircea_popescu: nice going shinohai

09:03

Perforemed bare hand exploration, also works.

~ 24 minutes ~

09:27

shinohai, an Ada lib for client-side logging would be quite useful

09:28

bot is in dire need of proper logging and once the new protocol is in place I can see the client itself needing to log stuff

09:28

at the very least, dubious messages if/when it gets them

09:31

I look forward to client updates, also found http://ossasepia.com/2019/01/12/compiling-ada-library-for-use-with-non-ada-main/ quite interesting btw.

09:35

thanks! one of those days I'll get around to write-up the jam stuff for linking the lib with the client too ; at any rate, the linking seems sorted for now - it's Ada code for all the pieces that is missing

09:37

While I'm here, did you guise remove http://minigame.bz/jurov/Eulora-client.git permanently? (Perhaps jurov has copy still hidden away somewhere, I was interested for archival purposes)

09:38

should be in http://minigame.biz/jurov/Eulora-client.git i don't expect anyone deleted it

09:40

I tried cloning, simply times out ( was going to add additional post on subject )

09:42

wasn't that with old versions/unmaintained ?

09:43

diana_coman wth happened there, Trying 161.0.121.247... Connection timed out etc. site got nuked ?

09:43

mircea_popescu, neah, it's that part that I did not move over to the html server because it wasn't up to date really

09:44

but i mean no part of the site responds ?

09:44

oh, is this uy1 being down ?

09:44

? it responds here?

09:44

or uhm, no

09:44

yes, it is uy1 being down

09:45

heh.

09:45

mircea_popescu: .247 is uy1

09:45

asciilifeform BingoBoingo yo, you can't have multi hour outages, wtf.

09:45

asciilifeform: How is the debugging and instrumenting going? Do you need my hands in the rack?

09:46

( I wrote initial post on Friday, minigame.bz wasn't responding then when I did post research - only thing I got was the logs subdomain)

09:46

shinohai multiple layers. it went from .bz to .biz sometime 2017 maybe ?

09:46

jurov used to maintain a git repo (2016 maybe ?) but we're not that git-friendly anyway and he kinda stopped working on it.

09:47

BingoBoingo: yes hands asap plox

09:47

when diana_coman moved over the site to uy, she pruned all the shit that was badly out of date and little hope of being brought back up

09:47

asciilifeform: Aite

09:50

mircea_popescu et al : not a planned outage, at this point i strongly suspect iron issue

09:50

basically we don't have a windows maintainer anymore; and yes, last parts in there were ~2016

09:51

that's nice and all, but meanwhile here i sit talking to people about absent sites yes.

10:00

http://qntra.net/2018/12/trump-makes-end-of-year-push-mattis-out-syria-and-afghanistan-withdrawals-and-shutdown-showdown-over-border-wall/ << in utter lulz : could the democrat party be any less fucking relevant these days ? it's gop-senate vs gop-house and trump.

10:01

bernie sanders is actually more of a player than the entire collected dnc

10:01

ie, pretty much ended as a going concern.

10:02

BingoBoingo: wtf, thing appears to be hung on the grub menu screen

10:13

update : it aint hung, responds, but i have nfi how this thing ever auto-booted in the past -- the boot menu dun seem to have a timeout , wtf

10:14

asciilifeform: In the rack

10:15

Please deliver instructions in #pizarro as I don't know how much log troubleshooting is going to generate

10:15

ok 1s

10:15

well, if you feed it kbd it will turn auto-timer off.

10:16

mircea_popescu: hrm, i switch this off in my installs, but this box is a BingoBoingo creation.

10:16

anyways booted nao, about to instrument.

10:25

update : box is up; loox like BingoBoingo hastily reassembled thing last night without the nic plug properly seated.

10:26

you can do that ?!

10:28

I forgot to plug the ethernet back in

10:29

haste makes waste, lol

10:29

ic

10:32

i'ma cure the asinine grub keyboard thing.

10:33

( who the FUCK thought this was acceptable behaviour )

10:33

desktop use.

10:34

yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol

10:34

making linux accessible to senior citizen drivers, whadda ya want

10:42

mircea_popescu: I've only seen behaviour from trb like that when I've had some bad hardware. In particular a suspected bad SSD. I issue the 'getinfo' command and nothing, just hangs.

10:42

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886835 << They just don't want anyone booting into the wrong version of Windows

10:42

Logged on 2019-01-14 15:34 asciilifeform: yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol

10:43

mod6 yeah but the disk is fine.

10:43

My one node I've got now, is still on that bad hardware as I haven't found a new home for it yet. Sometimes, if I just let it "figure itself out", it'll return eventually and be fine. I agree though, would be nice to get to a root cause of this by some form of testing. Hard to mimic the state, regardless.

10:43

And by 'eventually', I mean hours usually.

10:43

this had ~two weeks.

10:44

Oh, ok. Hmm. Well, thanks for reporting. We need to get to the bottom of that pile of weird.

10:44

and bad ssd is unlikely to hit ~specifically one~ of multiple instances, as well as it's unlikely to occur while drive has free spare sectors to map to, and besides it'd be a first. drive's fine what.

10:45

Alright, noted.

~ 50 minutes ~

11:35

update : uy1 is up, i have realtime log going from it.

11:35

inspection of logs on disk turned up nuffin enlightening.

11:45

funnily enough it seems I even DID port over jurov's page too anyway, lolz; it was just the uy1 down thing

11:46

update: aaand ben_vulpes (who is orig builder of UY1) didn't see it fit to build the k10temp kernel mod, so i can get cpu/chipset temps and ps voltages.

11:46

just not the git

11:46

i'ma have to rebuild kernel on UY1 today.

11:46

will announce the reboot hour in advance.

11:46

anyone have objection ?

11:47

fine with me

11:48

after we get to the bottom of UY1 issue, i'ma make sure that all iron owned by pizarro has asciilifeform-baked kernel in place.

11:48

asciilifeform: good with me.

11:50

ty mod6 diana_coman

11:54

BingoBoingo et al : also i am getting multi-second ping latencies to pizarro (all boxen)

11:54

the debug session has distinct 'mars lander' feel to it

11:55

asciilifeform: I am seeing much faster pings

11:56

pings to 161.0.121.247 from me are: round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 194.551/195.055/198.219/0.723 ms - 0 packets lost.

11:57

mod6: 0.7s is pretty martian

11:57

and quite atypical.

11:58

well, moar moon than mars. but still.

11:58

i am seeing multi-second ssh keystroke delays.

11:59

I don't doubt. That seems off for sure.

11:59

I'm seeing sub 20ms pings to every box I've tried so far except UY1. UY1 is returned sub 40 ms pings

11:59

From habitation module, not the rack

12:03

BingoBoingo: soon as this is done, i'ma graph the machine temps/voltages.

12:04

BingoBoingo: plox to keep kvm hoses in until further notice.

12:09

asciilifeform: ty, will keep the hoses in until you give the withdrawal order.

12:12

ty

12:23

ACHTUNG UY1 users : plz prepare for scheduled reset in 30m.

12:32

incidentally i was not aware that UY1 uses grub (grub2 no less). grub is fatwa'd on pizarro-owned iron. i'ma correct this omission in a scheduled maintenance after we cure the moar pressing issue in re uy1.

~ 23 minutes ~

12:55

attn: rebooting UY1.

12:56

ty for the notice

12:59

update : sensor reader proggy nao installed on UY1, will set to snapshot erry 30s.

13:01

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BingoBoingo can see UY1 hosted sites

13:06

so far all sensor readings within range

13:06

and no peculiarities in log

13:07

all fans moving.

13:08

cpu temp 45.5C (out of 85 permitted), chipset 30.8 (75 permissible) (i'ma omit further reports on subj for nao, unless thing actually is found to melt)

13:08

feedbot

http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/14/pizarro-isp-update-january-14-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP Update January 14, 2019

13:23

achtung pizarro subscribers : if 1 of you is running saturation test on the pipe, plz nao & in future ~announce prior~, ty.

13:23

very unlikely anyone's doing such a thing. you're prolly being attacked or w/e.

13:24

mircea_popescu: it is entirely possible, i have not yet looked in detail.

13:24

just nao wrapped up setting up realtime voltages/temperatures/etc output.

13:25

the req still stands tho.

13:26

mircea_popescu: if ddos, then nao as good time as any, it hasn't afaik yet been tested, how said pipe behaves under ddos.

13:26

sure.

13:27

so far i've uncovered 0 that would reveal why box reset. but i expect before nightfall to find out, if iron is indeed misbehaving.

13:28

what's the book on that ?

13:28

hm?

13:28

i'd like to lay a bet :D

13:29

i hate to disappoint mircea_popescu , but i'm all outta sheep for the haruspexy room, so cannot give odds lol

13:32

now, elsewhere in conveyor :

13:32

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886533 << this is not only troo but is how one tests a m-r ( you feed it known liars & known troofers for a particular N and verify output )

13:32

Logged on 2019-01-13 21:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886376 << with some caveats as to how "unrelated" (in the m-r sense of the term) those candidates must be, as it's entirely possible to generate an infinite set of lying witnesses for any composite number.

13:33

which is why mine reads witness as param rather than directly from rng

13:33

at all times operator must be able to verify that m-r behaves as m-r.

13:33

and indeed the quality of rng is 'jesus bolt' when running m-r in battlefield.

13:34

( recall, diana_coman uncovered various lulz re koch's variant )

13:35

i'ma detail this subj in the customary pedantic detail in ch16 article.

13:36

( readers should also prepare themselves for following proof of why m-r worx, i'ma not simply cite the lit )

13:38

perfect.

13:39

re verifications, observe the general pattern in ffaism: i expect any serious user to have a private battery of tests to verify that his, particular, ffa builds, actually conform to the declared behaviours.

13:39

incl. the rng ( this is why the thing takes an arbitrary unix path for rng dev )

13:40

( yet aaanother thing that koch didn't give )

13:40

mircea_popescu: observe that you can trivially generate an arbitrary-long sequence of liars for any composite N.

13:42

1 interesting maffs problem , is whether you can generate a sequence of witnesses that will tell troof of compositivity for ~any~ externally supplied N , up to given bitness. ( and as i understand this q is isomorphic to bach's generalized-riemann item that diana_coman dug up. )

13:43

we will not be making use of this approach tho ( it relies on conjecture . )

13:44

iirc there's a sequence that nails all composites < 2^64 . so could be handy for primorial generators ( vs. eratosthenes etc ) .

13:45

but again , not directly pertinent to ffalogy.

13:46

it is, we had an entire discussion then

13:46

i meant bach et al.

13:47

asciilifeform's recommended recipe for m-rism still remains 'feed actual rng for witnesses'

13:54

( for folx who haven't yet read diana_coman's series -- the theorem diana_coman turned up, turns m-r into a deterministic ('aks but fast') test, iff generalized-riemann )

~ 24 minutes ~

14:18

found the old mircea_popescu thread, btw : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722906

14:18

Logged on 2017-10-08 19:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://www.researchgate.net/publication/220161766_Constructing_Carmichael_Numbers_which_are_Strong_Pseudoprimes_to_Several_Bases (guy named arnault gave example of number for which all tests up to ~300 were misleading)

14:21

ohai Mocky

14:22

hiya

14:24

what's new, Mocky ?

14:25

fingers crossed maybe I get a job offer today

14:29

best of luck to ya!

14:29

thx mod6

~ 26 minutes ~

14:56

update re uy1 : 2hrs and no anomalous readings. ( will revisit subj later tonight )

15:02

in other vintage lultidbits, found while digging logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723504

15:02

Logged on 2017-10-09 16:39 asciilifeform: ... it follows that a 0.85sec 4096b modexp is all you need for a reasonable 'rsa phone' item.

~ 1 hours 12 minutes ~

16:14

feedbot

http://qntra.net/2019/01/dna-pioneer-james-watson-stripped-of-chancellor-emeritus-title-over-afropessimism/ << Qntra -- DNA Pioneer James Watson Stripped Of Chancellor Emeritus Title Over Afropessimism

16:20

Latest old man dekulakized

~ 39 minutes ~

17:00

BingoBoingo: ha, i had nfi he still had any epaulettes or buttons to rip off

17:01

Well he had the symbolic "any key" that wasn't connected to anything

17:04

"afropessimism" actually great coinage.

17:05

aka afrorealism..

17:05

never anything else.

17:06

i dunno why they're so butthurt by the ~statistical~ fact. just because average black is going to be dumber than average human doesn't say any one black person's gonna be dumb or anything like that.

17:07

they're not very appreciably butthurt at all by how average whitey's gonna undertest average "azn" aka chinese.

17:07

there also butthurt

17:07

!#s qntra harvard

17:07

3 results for "qntra harvard", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=qntra%20harvard

17:08

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826418 << item

17:08

Logged on 2018-06-18 15:51 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/harvard-exposed-systemically-discriminating-against-asian-applicants/ << Qntra - Harvard Exposed Systemically Discriminating Against Asian Applicants

17:08

& elsewhere.

17:08

hm.

17:08

i dunno, i guess my unexamined impression is otherwise.

17:08

they think in terms of nanny state policies and what policies statistical facts would imply

17:09

but hence my objection ? turning a blind eye to all the chowdrys taking over bureaucracy while crying bloody murder over ~explanation~ as to why first black president === worst president ever ?

17:10

something dun wash.

17:10

if they are gonna look at afrofacts, what next, look at femfacts?

17:11

so somehow "you can't run for city council, you're not 2nd gen azn immigrant" not quite as threatening as "you're fat because you eat too much and never get off ass" ?

17:12

the chowdhrys are, as i currently understand, the vaisya/sudra-heavy wave of emigres & their nth gen, largely content with 'middling' ranks, the native usg.brahmin spawn dun want these

17:13

so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ?

17:13

same way they dun want into the academitardia racket ( when asciilifeform grunted in the ranks of said racket, was often the 1 euro face in the group pics.. )

17:13

i dunno, at this juncture i'm starting to suspect attemtping rational analysis is eminently wrong approach, not like it's a rational process.

17:13

i was aboutta say

17:13

it aint clear to me that 'they think' is a valid hypothesis, period

17:14

they , in words of al schwartz, 'hind gut ferment'. they metabolize, but no thinking is necessarily involved

17:14

set of fashionable howls.

17:14

cuz they're a buncha fash dorks, what.

~ 17 minutes ~

17:31

<mircea_popescu> so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ? << I suspect this is an element of it.

17:40

Then there's the trying to expensively defend cheap respect for "all"

~ 41 minutes ~

18:22

In other updates Pizarro www now has selection js in place when viewing individual blog entries

18:22

BingoBoingo: confirmed, worx, a++

18:25

ty for the confirmation

~ 18 minutes ~

18:44

in other olds, 'The 256-bit integer q = (2x + 1)(4x + 1) with x = 0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b passes 15 rounds of GMP’s primality test mpz_is_probab_prime_p...' ( Albrecht et al, aug. 2018 , https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/749.pdf / http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3QLGp/?raw=true )

18:45

^ spoiler: gmp uses prng for witness gen

18:47

mircea_popescu: after ffa is fielded, i'ma add gmp etc carmichaelisms to phuctor.

18:47

would be surprised if it doesn't yield a couple thou lulz.

18:47

not a bad idea.

18:48

there's a 1024bit example in that piece, and coupla others

18:49

in other noose, 6hrs of reactor^H^H^Huy1 gauge , and 0 anomalies

18:51

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asciilifeform at this rate might end up adding a 7th lcd to the wall..

18:52

asciilifeform do you keep a kernel hash or anything that'd expose a case of http://qntra.net/2019/01/el-chapo-allegedly-used-voip-had-sysadmin-flipped-by-criminal-fbi/ ?

18:53

mircea_popescu: indeed i do

18:53

i can't picture that any literate folx don't

18:53

and it's negative ?

18:53

to date.

18:53

so canary yes, k10temp no ?

18:53

i like to hash e.g. raid card biosen, etc., also

18:54

mircea_popescu: so far all i know is that the thing rebooted without sanction, no fewer than 3x.

18:54

(in span of 2 day)

18:54

BingoBoingo reports intact seals.

18:58

even if i turn up nuffin in next day or 2, i'ma have at least 1 moar planned reset, see whether ben_vulpes remembered to enable eccism when he plugged the thing in

18:58

for some reason it is usually switched off by default on a new bios battery

18:58

( why , i cannot begin to fathom )

18:59

for comparison, the 1 time dulap-III rebooted without sanction, was in may, when BingoBoingo elbowed the mains cable

19:00

all machines of same type (varying only in ram/disk config)

19:02

relatedly, asciilifeform has a backburner affair where disasm of the particular 3ware bios , looking for lulz (to date found none, aside from it having a quite bulky cpp runtime lib)

19:05

so far the old proverb 'на ловца и зверь бежит' dun seem to play out for asciilifeform , somehow hitler dun feel like putting the delish booby catalogue items where asciilifeform's dirty orc hands can get to'em..

19:06

<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: so far all i know is that the thing rebooted without sanction, no fewer than 3x. << It breathes ever so slightly better than it did before the opening and fan check

19:06

BingoBoingo: y'know , these things ~do~ like a ~yearly breath of high pressure freon

19:06

i dunno, man. if i ran a moron empire with delusions of "pen devices" etc, it'd do precisely the sort of inept rebooting.

19:06

( in torture room, asciilifeform has an antistatic vacuum thing and other nice things )

19:07

mircea_popescu: i dun see wai not to bug upstream, but then again i dun work at reichskanzlei

19:08

"it's not a truck" or similar reasoning.

19:08

i've mostly sworn off trying to picture the 'reasoning'

19:08

there's ~0 reason to it.

19:09

mircea_popescu: if we live to bake the fpga router thing, will be interesting to give it a ring buffer that'll hold coupla 100MB of frames, and dump'em to flash upon any unsanctioned reboot of attached irons.

19:10

oughta trivially capture 'magic packet' (under the old hypothesis that these result in fandango)

19:12

i'ma take the chance to highlight the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886752 thing -- on sane iron , there'd be no such thing as a 'oops rebooted but fuck if i tellya why'

19:12

Logged on 2019-01-14 04:15 mircea_popescu: i'd like a computer where i didn't have this sort of problem.

19:13

there's no physical or practical reason why the last million or two instructions executed prior to whatever fail, should not be available after

19:13

( on top of ram contents, etc )

19:14

1 of the 9000 sane things bolix tried, valiantly , to do, within the limitations of the period irons.

19:16

( had 'fep', a supervisor cpu thing, but not the 'remote booby' item presently extant in intel irons, but a thing available strictly from console, and 'crash' halted the main cpu and dropped you into it, where you could peek/poke, probe irons, etc )

19:16

fep ran from rom and could not be crashed other than by hand (or when iron is finally smoking, smouldering)

19:21

asciilifeform finds it fascinating that even satellites, moon buggies, etc. naodays dun have a 'snapshot state of iron if crash'

19:21

evidently it cannot be bought with moneys anymoar

19:23

apparently this is what you get if there aint a 'lavrentiy pavlovich' in the design loop.

19:25

imho if satellite 'oops it crashed and i cant tellya why', designer oughta get a 1way ticket to its orbit to go and debug..

19:30

meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress'

↖ ↖

19:30

"Buy our vaporware today!"

19:31

'that is not dead which can eternal lie..' or how did it go.

19:31

ohai shinohai

19:31

Heya asciilifeform

19:32

shinohai: nifty eulora piece. yer ahead of asciilifeform in that battlefield, i've yet to attempt building eulora

19:33

I still have nfi why the bullet barf, diana_coman says it has to do with proximity things. Hopefully I'll get some time in game to see if negative effects occur.

19:34

(Also have companion trb piece, but was waiting for mod6 's keccak regrind)

19:34

shinohai: neato. what didja do re trb ?

19:36

Haven't completed build yet since mod6 published, but have tried the old method which unsurprisingly went fantastic.

19:37

Cuntoo is simply a joy to use.

~ 3 hours ~

22:37

/mode #trilema +b *!*@173-26-3-1.client.mchsi.com

~ 39 minutes ~

23:17

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886698 << those poor people, and what they had to do for a logarithm.

23:17

Logged on 2019-01-14 00:36 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-i/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714 - Part I.

23:17

hanbot

well, this is my 3rd iirc restart of znc in two days, slightly more interruption than the problem i started using znc on UY1 to fix posed. looks like no prognosis yet eh?

23:17

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~ 19 minutes ~

23:37

hanbot: when was 'this' plox ?

23:37

box is still up

23:38

hanbot: The investigation is ongoing. Other than the chassis interor being marginally cleaner than before asciilifeform instrumented the machine, answers remain elusive. Per http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/14/pizarro-isp-update-january-14-2019/#selection-13.0-17.315 I am inclined to not charge any Pizarro shared hosting customers for the month of January though I am open to hearing other suggested remedies.

23:38

been up continuously since i set up sensors earlier today, and still alive, with 0 anomalous readings

23:40

hanbot: we dun know yet wtf reset the box ( and it happened no fewer than 3 times, in 2 day span )

23:41

hanbot: today i set up realtime stream of system log + voltages + temperatures + fan rpm to the torture room, was expecting to find thermal problem, so far 0

23:43

hanbot & other subscribers to uy1 : plox to inform asciilifeform asap if you notice ~any~ unusual behaviour on this box ( not only reset , reset will be obvious from here )

23:43

conspicuous bit is various folks having moved their comms aboard uy1

23:44

During palm touch tests before cleaning fans the warmest part of the chasis was near the RAID card, by a margin that though small registered on my skin. Do we have a way to instrument the RAID card.

23:44

BingoBoingo: it's in the log

23:44

but you know, pattern-seeking primate amidst randomness

23:44

ftr I don't need a month's comp for a few hours of outage, though a few hours of outage does suck.

23:44

outages suck, period

23:45

!#s how many bugs tolerate

23:45

5 results for "how many bugs tolerate", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=how%20many%20bugs%20tolerate

23:45

my fiber has 5-10 minutes of outage in a year, and ~that~ palpably suxx

23:46

the one concerning bit is whether indeed pizarro still owns that box or not.

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trinque: My though on the month is that the money being paid for shared hosting is very real to our customers, and we lack a firm hour count on how many customer uptime hours have been lost.

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mircea_popescu: this q can be asked re any box.

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<mircea_popescu> the one concerning bit is whether indeed pizarro still owns that box or not. << This very much concerns me

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asciilifeform well no, original box had a chain of custody, and a history of predictable behaviour.

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mircea_popescu: fwiw crashism is more typical result of failed diddling than working.

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BingoBoingo: signaling my willingness to pay, not my condoning of the outage.

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this stance is consistent with, inter alia, republican practice -- we moved variously boxes off providers who kept rebooting them "mysteriously"

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mircea_popescu: i can't disagree, and am inclined to move it to cold spare when we get another crate in.

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and the coincidence is there, and glaringly. we know for a fapt inept http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ efforts ~signature move~ is rebootage, much like olde smersh signature move was the clicking on phone line ; and as he points out, buncha people moved their zncs there.

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the sad part tho is that if asciilifeform threw out erry retardix box that ever kernel panicked, would have none left in service

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is this a fact, eg the rockchips ?

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i haven't succeeded in crashing a rockchip yet ( outside from the rotting usb ssd's affair )

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so then as a factual matter, if asciilifeform threw out erry box that rebooted "by itself" for no apparent reason, pizarro would be missing uy1

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but indeed i'd much like to move to a 'near-errybody on rockchips' , ~these~ can approximate the ideal of 'treat irons as toilet paper, discard on 1st sign of rot'

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this is a case where '1024 chickens' wins

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i confess i have nfi what makes you think commodity hardware failed in this case.

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i dun currently have any notion of knowing what, precisely , failed

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outside of hard drives, and capacitors on OVER FIFTEEN YEAR OLD motherbopards, i have not witnessed this wonder myself, of failing hardware.

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i have

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kudos to you, but nevertheless.

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ram, typically

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( why -- i do not know. but ram appears to age, possibly ion migration )

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but the ram in that box is as new as a kitten.

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nope

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hm ?

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the only new iron in the cage is the rk's.

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The solid state drives in UY1 were new

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i'm confused, you bought used ram ? i seem to recall a discussion...

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and disks yes

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mircea_popescu: 100% of the x86 iron in the cage is 2009-11 vintage.

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From what I understand the ram came with the chassis

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weren't you shipping a bunch of new rams to make it ?!

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( can't speak for colo subscribers such as trinque , referring to pizarro irons )

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mircea_popescu: disks

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i guess i must've mixed things.

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ssds are new, no one buys used ssd, it'd be like buying used toiletpaper

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but i mean... so you have ten year old gb ram ?

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and 10yo caps etc

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i never saw a mobo bust a cap and then boot by itself again tho. besides, he'd see a busted cap i imagine.

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I saw no burst caps

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http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 << typical example of when caps.

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they aint always visibly burst, but i'm inclined to think this wasn't the caps.

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( or it wouldn't come back up. )

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so to get this straight, your "most likely explanation" points to... ram failure resulting in kernel panic... twice ?

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(i think the third reboot was actually you guise, or not ?)

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mircea_popescu: jury's still out

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mircea_popescu: 3 unsanctioned, 1 planned reset

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always gotta have a mle, jury can't be out

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imho mle is still thermals.

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ie, a fan stoppedf by itself, and then started working again, by itself ?

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THRICE ?

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not necessarily stopped, but obstructed

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mircea_popescu: keep in mind this was a ben_vulpes-baked box, i never saw inside of it ( dulap-III, dulap-spare, s-mg, s-mg-spare -- i cleaned with own hands )

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