08:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wl72x/?raw=true |
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~ 30 minutes ~ |
08:46 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this is a mega-point |
08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
yw. |
08:50 |
asciilifeform |
aand i'ma apply the supplied algo. |
09:03 |
shinohai |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886522 <<< Thanx, also will report to diana_coman if configuring out bullet has any negative consequences, so far everything renders correctly as far as I can tell. |
09:03 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-01-13 20:50 mircea_popescu: nice going shinohai |
09:03 |
shinohai |
Perforemed bare hand exploration, also works. |
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09:27 |
diana_coman |
shinohai, an Ada lib for client-side logging would be quite useful |
09:28 |
diana_coman |
bot is in dire need of proper logging and once the new protocol is in place I can see the client itself needing to log stuff |
09:28 |
diana_coman |
at the very least, dubious messages if/when it gets them |
09:31 |
shinohai |
I look forward to client updates, also found http://ossasepia.com/2019/01/12/compiling-ada-library-for-use-with-non-ada-main/ quite interesting btw. |
09:35 |
diana_coman |
thanks! one of those days I'll get around to write-up the jam stuff for linking the lib with the client too ; at any rate, the linking seems sorted for now - it's Ada code for all the pieces that is missing |
09:37 |
shinohai |
While I'm here, did you guise remove http://minigame.bz/jurov/Eulora-client.git permanently? (Perhaps jurov has copy still hidden away somewhere, I was interested for archival purposes) |
09:38 |
mircea_popescu |
should be in http://minigame.biz/jurov/Eulora-client.git i don't expect anyone deleted it |
09:40 |
shinohai |
I tried cloning, simply times out ( was going to add additional post on subject ) |
09:42 |
diana_coman |
wasn't that with old versions/unmaintained ? |
09:43 |
mircea_popescu |
diana_coman wth happened there, Trying 161.0.121.247... Connection timed out etc. site got nuked ? |
09:43 |
diana_coman |
mircea_popescu, neah, it's that part that I did not move over to the html server because it wasn't up to date really |
09:44 |
mircea_popescu |
but i mean no part of the site responds ? |
09:44 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, is this uy1 being down ? |
09:44 |
diana_coman |
? it responds here? |
09:44 |
diana_coman |
or uhm, no |
09:44 |
diana_coman |
yes, it is uy1 being down |
09:45 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
09:45 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: .247 is uy1 |
09:45 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform BingoBoingo yo, you can't have multi hour outages, wtf. |
09:45 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: How is the debugging and instrumenting going? Do you need my hands in the rack? |
09:46 |
shinohai |
( I wrote initial post on Friday, minigame.bz wasn't responding then when I did post research - only thing I got was the logs subdomain) |
09:46 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai multiple layers. it went from .bz to .biz sometime 2017 maybe ? |
09:46 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov used to maintain a git repo (2016 maybe ?) but we're not that git-friendly anyway and he kinda stopped working on it. |
09:47 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: yes hands asap plox |
09:47 |
mircea_popescu |
when diana_coman moved over the site to uy, she pruned all the shit that was badly out of date and little hope of being brought back up |
09:47 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Aite |
09:50 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu et al : not a planned outage, at this point i strongly suspect iron issue |
09:50 |
diana_coman |
basically we don't have a windows maintainer anymore; and yes, last parts in there were ~2016 |
09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
that's nice and all, but meanwhile here i sit talking to people about absent sites yes. |
10:00 |
mircea_popescu |
http://qntra.net/2018/12/trump-makes-end-of-year-push-mattis-out-syria-and-afghanistan-withdrawals-and-shutdown-showdown-over-border-wall/ << in utter lulz : could the democrat party be any less fucking relevant these days ? it's gop-senate vs gop-house and trump. |
10:01 |
mircea_popescu |
bernie sanders is actually more of a player than the entire collected dnc |
10:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, pretty much ended as a going concern. |
10:02 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: wtf, thing appears to be hung on the grub menu screen |
10:13 |
asciilifeform |
update : it aint hung, responds, but i have nfi how this thing ever auto-booted in the past -- the boot menu dun seem to have a timeout , wtf |
10:14 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: In the rack |
10:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Please deliver instructions in #pizarro as I don't know how much log troubleshooting is going to generate |
10:15 |
asciilifeform |
ok 1s |
10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
well, if you feed it kbd it will turn auto-timer off. |
10:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: hrm, i switch this off in my installs, but this box is a BingoBoingo creation. |
10:16 |
asciilifeform |
anyways booted nao, about to instrument. |
10:25 |
asciilifeform |
update : box is up; loox like BingoBoingo hastily reassembled thing last night without the nic plug properly seated. |
10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
you can do that ?! |
10:28 |
BingoBoingo |
I forgot to plug the ethernet back in |
10:29 |
asciilifeform |
haste makes waste, lol |
10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ic |
10:32 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma cure the asinine grub keyboard thing. |
10:33 |
asciilifeform |
( who the FUCK thought this was acceptable behaviour ) |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
desktop use. |
10:34 |
asciilifeform |
yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol |
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10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
making linux accessible to senior citizen drivers, whadda ya want |
10:42 |
mod6 |
mircea_popescu: I've only seen behaviour from trb like that when I've had some bad hardware. In particular a suspected bad SSD. I issue the 'getinfo' command and nothing, just hangs. |
10:42 |
BingoBoingo |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886835 << They just don't want anyone booting into the wrong version of Windows |
10:42 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-01-14 15:34 asciilifeform: yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 yeah but the disk is fine. |
10:43 |
mod6 |
My one node I've got now, is still on that bad hardware as I haven't found a new home for it yet. Sometimes, if I just let it "figure itself out", it'll return eventually and be fine. I agree though, would be nice to get to a root cause of this by some form of testing. Hard to mimic the state, regardless. |
10:43 |
mod6 |
And by 'eventually', I mean hours usually. |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
this had ~two weeks. |
10:44 |
mod6 |
Oh, ok. Hmm. Well, thanks for reporting. We need to get to the bottom of that pile of weird. |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
and bad ssd is unlikely to hit ~specifically one~ of multiple instances, as well as it's unlikely to occur while drive has free spare sectors to map to, and besides it'd be a first. drive's fine what. |
10:45 |
mod6 |
Alright, noted. |
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~ 50 minutes ~ |
11:35 |
asciilifeform |
update : uy1 is up, i have realtime log going from it. |
11:35 |
asciilifeform |
inspection of logs on disk turned up nuffin enlightening. |
11:45 |
diana_coman |
funnily enough it seems I even DID port over jurov's page too anyway, lolz; it was just the uy1 down thing |
11:46 |
asciilifeform |
update: aaand ben_vulpes (who is orig builder of UY1) didn't see it fit to build the k10temp kernel mod, so i can get cpu/chipset temps and ps voltages. |
11:46 |
diana_coman |
just not the git |
11:46 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma have to rebuild kernel on UY1 today. |
11:46 |
asciilifeform |
will announce the reboot hour in advance. |
11:46 |
asciilifeform |
anyone have objection ? |
11:47 |
diana_coman |
fine with me |
11:48 |
asciilifeform |
after we get to the bottom of UY1 issue, i'ma make sure that all iron owned by pizarro has asciilifeform-baked kernel in place. |
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11:48 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: good with me. |
11:50 |
asciilifeform |
ty mod6 diana_coman |
11:54 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo et al : also i am getting multi-second ping latencies to pizarro (all boxen) |
11:54 |
asciilifeform |
the debug session has distinct 'mars lander' feel to it |
11:55 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I am seeing much faster pings |
11:56 |
mod6 |
pings to 161.0.121.247 from me are: round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 194.551/195.055/198.219/0.723 ms - 0 packets lost. |
11:57 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: 0.7s is pretty martian |
11:57 |
asciilifeform |
and quite atypical. |
11:58 |
asciilifeform |
well, moar moon than mars. but still. |
11:58 |
asciilifeform |
i am seeing multi-second ssh keystroke delays. |
11:59 |
mod6 |
I don't doubt. That seems off for sure. |
11:59 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm seeing sub 20ms pings to every box I've tried so far except UY1. UY1 is returned sub 40 ms pings |
11:59 |
BingoBoingo |
From habitation module, not the rack |
12:03 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: soon as this is done, i'ma graph the machine temps/voltages. |
12:04 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: plox to keep kvm hoses in until further notice. |
12:09 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: ty, will keep the hoses in until you give the withdrawal order. |
12:12 |
asciilifeform |
ty |
12:23 |
asciilifeform |
ACHTUNG UY1 users : plz prepare for scheduled reset in 30m. |
12:32 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally i was not aware that UY1 uses grub (grub2 no less). grub is fatwa'd on pizarro-owned iron. i'ma correct this omission in a scheduled maintenance after we cure the moar pressing issue in re uy1. |
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~ 23 minutes ~ |
12:55 |
asciilifeform |
attn: rebooting UY1. |
12:56 |
mod6 |
ty for the notice |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
update : sensor reader proggy nao installed on UY1, will set to snapshot erry 30s. |
13:01 |
* |
BingoBoingo can see UY1 hosted sites |
13:06 |
asciilifeform |
so far all sensor readings within range |
13:06 |
asciilifeform |
and no peculiarities in log |
13:07 |
asciilifeform |
all fans moving. |
13:08 |
asciilifeform |
cpu temp 45.5C (out of 85 permitted), chipset 30.8 (75 permissible) (i'ma omit further reports on subj for nao, unless thing actually is found to melt) |
13:08 |
feedbot |
http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/14/pizarro-isp-update-january-14-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP Update January 14, 2019 |
13:23 |
asciilifeform |
achtung pizarro subscribers : if 1 of you is running saturation test on the pipe, plz nao & in future ~announce prior~, ty. |
13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
very unlikely anyone's doing such a thing. you're prolly being attacked or w/e. |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it is entirely possible, i have not yet looked in detail. |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
just nao wrapped up setting up realtime voltages/temperatures/etc output. |
13:25 |
asciilifeform |
the req still stands tho. |
13:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if ddos, then nao as good time as any, it hasn't afaik yet been tested, how said pipe behaves under ddos. |
13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
13:27 |
asciilifeform |
so far i've uncovered 0 that would reveal why box reset. but i expect before nightfall to find out, if iron is indeed misbehaving. |
13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
what's the book on that ? |
13:28 |
asciilifeform |
hm? |
13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd like to lay a bet :D |
13:29 |
asciilifeform |
i hate to disappoint mircea_popescu , but i'm all outta sheep for the haruspexy room, so cannot give odds lol |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
now, elsewhere in conveyor : |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886533 << this is not only troo but is how one tests a m-r ( you feed it known liars & known troofers for a particular N and verify output ) |
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13:32 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-01-13 21:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886376 << with some caveats as to how "unrelated" (in the m-r sense of the term) those candidates must be, as it's entirely possible to generate an infinite set of lying witnesses for any composite number. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
which is why mine reads witness as param rather than directly from rng |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
at all times operator must be able to verify that m-r behaves as m-r. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
and indeed the quality of rng is 'jesus bolt' when running m-r in battlefield. |
13:34 |
asciilifeform |
( recall, diana_coman uncovered various lulz re koch's variant ) |
13:35 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma detail this subj in the customary pedantic detail in ch16 article. |
13:36 |
asciilifeform |
( readers should also prepare themselves for following proof of why m-r worx, i'ma not simply cite the lit ) |
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13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
perfect. |
13:39 |
asciilifeform |
re verifications, observe the general pattern in ffaism: i expect any serious user to have a private battery of tests to verify that his, particular, ffa builds, actually conform to the declared behaviours. |
13:39 |
asciilifeform |
incl. the rng ( this is why the thing takes an arbitrary unix path for rng dev ) |
13:40 |
asciilifeform |
( yet aaanother thing that koch didn't give ) |
13:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: observe that you can trivially generate an arbitrary-long sequence of liars for any composite N. |
13:42 |
asciilifeform |
1 interesting maffs problem , is whether you can generate a sequence of witnesses that will tell troof of compositivity for ~any~ externally supplied N , up to given bitness. ( and as i understand this q is isomorphic to bach's generalized-riemann item that diana_coman dug up. ) |
13:43 |
asciilifeform |
we will not be making use of this approach tho ( it relies on conjecture . ) |
13:44 |
asciilifeform |
iirc there's a sequence that nails all composites < 2^64 . so could be handy for primorial generators ( vs. eratosthenes etc ) . |
13:45 |
asciilifeform |
but again , not directly pertinent to ffalogy. |
13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
it is, we had an entire discussion then |
13:46 |
asciilifeform |
i meant bach et al. |
13:47 |
asciilifeform |
asciilifeform's recommended recipe for m-rism still remains 'feed actual rng for witnesses' |
13:54 |
asciilifeform |
( for folx who haven't yet read diana_coman's series -- the theorem diana_coman turned up, turns m-r into a deterministic ('aks but fast') test, iff generalized-riemann ) |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
14:18 |
asciilifeform |
found the old mircea_popescu thread, btw : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722906 |
14:18 |
a111 |
Logged on 2017-10-08 19:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://www.researchgate.net/publication/220161766_Constructing_Carmichael_Numbers_which_are_Strong_Pseudoprimes_to_Several_Bases (guy named arnault gave example of number for which all tests up to ~300 were misleading) |
14:21 |
asciilifeform |
ohai Mocky |
14:22 |
Mocky |
hiya |
14:24 |
asciilifeform |
what's new, Mocky ? |
14:25 |
Mocky |
fingers crossed maybe I get a job offer today |
14:29 |
mod6 |
best of luck to ya! |
14:29 |
Mocky |
thx mod6 |
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~ 26 minutes ~ |
14:56 |
asciilifeform |
update re uy1 : 2hrs and no anomalous readings. ( will revisit subj later tonight ) |
15:02 |
asciilifeform |
in other vintage lultidbits, found while digging logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723504 |
15:02 |
a111 |
Logged on 2017-10-09 16:39 asciilifeform: ... it follows that a 0.85sec 4096b modexp is all you need for a reasonable 'rsa phone' item. |
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~ 1 hours 12 minutes ~ |
16:14 |
feedbot |
http://qntra.net/2019/01/dna-pioneer-james-watson-stripped-of-chancellor-emeritus-title-over-afropessimism/ << Qntra -- DNA Pioneer James Watson Stripped Of Chancellor Emeritus Title Over Afropessimism |
16:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Latest old man dekulakized |
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~ 39 minutes ~ |
17:00 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: ha, i had nfi he still had any epaulettes or buttons to rip off |
17:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Well he had the symbolic "any key" that wasn't connected to anything |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
"afropessimism" actually great coinage. |
17:05 |
asciilifeform |
aka afrorealism.. |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
never anything else. |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno why they're so butthurt by the ~statistical~ fact. just because average black is going to be dumber than average human doesn't say any one black person's gonna be dumb or anything like that. |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
they're not very appreciably butthurt at all by how average whitey's gonna undertest average "azn" aka chinese. |
17:07 |
asciilifeform |
there also butthurt |
17:07 |
asciilifeform |
!#s qntra harvard |
17:07 |
a111 |
3 results for "qntra harvard", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=qntra%20harvard |
17:08 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826418 << item |
17:08 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-06-18 15:51 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/harvard-exposed-systemically-discriminating-against-asian-applicants/ << Qntra - Harvard Exposed Systemically Discriminating Against Asian Applicants |
17:08 |
asciilifeform |
& elsewhere. |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, i guess my unexamined impression is otherwise. |
17:08 |
Mocky |
they think in terms of nanny state policies and what policies statistical facts would imply |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
but hence my objection ? turning a blind eye to all the chowdrys taking over bureaucracy while crying bloody murder over ~explanation~ as to why first black president === worst president ever ? |
17:10 |
mircea_popescu |
something dun wash. |
17:10 |
Mocky |
if they are gonna look at afrofacts, what next, look at femfacts? |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
so somehow "you can't run for city council, you're not 2nd gen azn immigrant" not quite as threatening as "you're fat because you eat too much and never get off ass" ? |
17:12 |
asciilifeform |
the chowdhrys are, as i currently understand, the vaisya/sudra-heavy wave of emigres & their nth gen, largely content with 'middling' ranks, the native usg.brahmin spawn dun want these |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ? |
17:13 |
asciilifeform |
same way they dun want into the academitardia racket ( when asciilifeform grunted in the ranks of said racket, was often the 1 euro face in the group pics.. ) |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, at this juncture i'm starting to suspect attemtping rational analysis is eminently wrong approach, not like it's a rational process. |
17:13 |
asciilifeform |
i was aboutta say |
17:13 |
asciilifeform |
it aint clear to me that 'they think' is a valid hypothesis, period |
17:14 |
asciilifeform |
they , in words of al schwartz, 'hind gut ferment'. they metabolize, but no thinking is necessarily involved |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
set of fashionable howls. |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
cuz they're a buncha fash dorks, what. |
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17:31 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ? << I suspect this is an element of it. |
17:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Then there's the trying to expensively defend cheap respect for "all" |
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~ 41 minutes ~ |
18:22 |
BingoBoingo |
In other updates Pizarro www now has selection js in place when viewing individual blog entries |
18:22 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: confirmed, worx, a++ |
18:25 |
BingoBoingo |
ty for the confirmation |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
in other olds, 'The 256-bit integer q = (2x + 1)(4x + 1) with x = 0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b passes 15 rounds of GMP’s primality test mpz_is_probab_prime_p...' ( Albrecht et al, aug. 2018 , https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/749.pdf / http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3QLGp/?raw=true ) |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
^ spoiler: gmp uses prng for witness gen |
18:47 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: after ffa is fielded, i'ma add gmp etc carmichaelisms to phuctor. |
18:47 |
asciilifeform |
would be surprised if it doesn't yield a couple thou lulz. |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
not a bad idea. |
18:48 |
asciilifeform |
there's a 1024bit example in that piece, and coupla others |
18:49 |
asciilifeform |
in other noose, 6hrs of reactor^H^H^Huy1 gauge , and 0 anomalies |
18:51 |
* |
asciilifeform at this rate might end up adding a 7th lcd to the wall.. |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform do you keep a kernel hash or anything that'd expose a case of http://qntra.net/2019/01/el-chapo-allegedly-used-voip-had-sysadmin-flipped-by-criminal-fbi/ ? |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: indeed i do |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
i can't picture that any literate folx don't |
18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
and it's negative ? |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
to date. |
18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
so canary yes, k10temp no ? |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
i like to hash e.g. raid card biosen, etc., also |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: so far all i know is that the thing rebooted without sanction, no fewer than 3x. |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
(in span of 2 day) |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo reports intact seals. |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
even if i turn up nuffin in next day or 2, i'ma have at least 1 moar planned reset, see whether ben_vulpes remembered to enable eccism when he plugged the thing in |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
for some reason it is usually switched off by default on a new bios battery |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
( why , i cannot begin to fathom ) |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
for comparison, the 1 time dulap-III rebooted without sanction, was in may, when BingoBoingo elbowed the mains cable |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
all machines of same type (varying only in ram/disk config) |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
relatedly, asciilifeform has a backburner affair where disasm of the particular 3ware bios , looking for lulz (to date found none, aside from it having a quite bulky cpp runtime lib) |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
so far the old proverb 'на ловца и зверь бежит' dun seem to play out for asciilifeform , somehow hitler dun feel like putting the delish booby catalogue items where asciilifeform's dirty orc hands can get to'em.. |
19:06 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: so far all i know is that the thing rebooted without sanction, no fewer than 3x. << It breathes ever so slightly better than it did before the opening and fan check |
19:06 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: y'know , these things ~do~ like a ~yearly breath of high pressure freon |
19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, man. if i ran a moron empire with delusions of "pen devices" etc, it'd do precisely the sort of inept rebooting. |
19:06 |
asciilifeform |
( in torture room, asciilifeform has an antistatic vacuum thing and other nice things ) |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i dun see wai not to bug upstream, but then again i dun work at reichskanzlei |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"it's not a truck" or similar reasoning. |
19:08 |
asciilifeform |
i've mostly sworn off trying to picture the 'reasoning' |
19:08 |
asciilifeform |
there's ~0 reason to it. |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if we live to bake the fpga router thing, will be interesting to give it a ring buffer that'll hold coupla 100MB of frames, and dump'em to flash upon any unsanctioned reboot of attached irons. |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
oughta trivially capture 'magic packet' (under the old hypothesis that these result in fandango) |
19:12 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma take the chance to highlight the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886752 thing -- on sane iron , there'd be no such thing as a 'oops rebooted but fuck if i tellya why' |
19:12 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-01-14 04:15 mircea_popescu: i'd like a computer where i didn't have this sort of problem. |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
there's no physical or practical reason why the last million or two instructions executed prior to whatever fail, should not be available after |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
( on top of ram contents, etc ) |
19:14 |
asciilifeform |
1 of the 9000 sane things bolix tried, valiantly , to do, within the limitations of the period irons. |
19:16 |
asciilifeform |
( had 'fep', a supervisor cpu thing, but not the 'remote booby' item presently extant in intel irons, but a thing available strictly from console, and 'crash' halted the main cpu and dropped you into it, where you could peek/poke, probe irons, etc ) |
19:16 |
asciilifeform |
fep ran from rom and could not be crashed other than by hand (or when iron is finally smoking, smouldering) |
19:21 |
asciilifeform |
asciilifeform finds it fascinating that even satellites, moon buggies, etc. naodays dun have a 'snapshot state of iron if crash' |
19:21 |
asciilifeform |
evidently it cannot be bought with moneys anymoar |
19:23 |
asciilifeform |
apparently this is what you get if there aint a 'lavrentiy pavlovich' in the design loop. |
19:25 |
asciilifeform |
imho if satellite 'oops it crashed and i cant tellya why', designer oughta get a 1way ticket to its orbit to go and debug.. |
19:30 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress' |
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19:30 |
shinohai |
"Buy our vaporware today!" |
19:31 |
asciilifeform |
'that is not dead which can eternal lie..' or how did it go. |
19:31 |
asciilifeform |
ohai shinohai |
19:31 |
shinohai |
Heya asciilifeform |
19:32 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: nifty eulora piece. yer ahead of asciilifeform in that battlefield, i've yet to attempt building eulora |
19:33 |
shinohai |
I still have nfi why the bullet barf, diana_coman says it has to do with proximity things. Hopefully I'll get some time in game to see if negative effects occur. |
19:34 |
shinohai |
(Also have companion trb piece, but was waiting for mod6 's keccak regrind) |
19:34 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: neato. what didja do re trb ? |
19:36 |
shinohai |
Haven't completed build yet since mod6 published, but have tried the old method which unsurprisingly went fantastic. |
19:37 |
shinohai |
Cuntoo is simply a joy to use. |
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~ 3 hours ~ |
22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
/mode #trilema +b *!*@173-26-3-1.client.mchsi.com |
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~ 39 minutes ~ |
23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886698 << those poor people, and what they had to do for a logarithm. |
23:17 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-01-14 00:36 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-i/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714 - Part I. |
23:17 |
hanbot |
well, this is my 3rd iirc restart of znc in two days, slightly more interruption than the problem i started using znc on UY1 to fix posed. looks like no prognosis yet eh? |
23:17 |
lobbesbot |
hanbot: Sent 1 day, 10 hours, and 22 minutes ago: <billymg> mp-wp patches have been updated: http://billymg.com/2019/01/minor-mp-wp-patch-updates/ -- the only \ No newline at end of file strings you should find in .svg refs patch are from before part of the diff (i.e. file diffed had no newline at the end) |
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~ 19 minutes ~ |
23:37 |
asciilifeform |
hanbot: when was 'this' plox ? |
23:37 |
asciilifeform |
box is still up |
23:38 |
BingoBoingo |
hanbot: The investigation is ongoing. Other than the chassis interor being marginally cleaner than before asciilifeform instrumented the machine, answers remain elusive. Per http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/14/pizarro-isp-update-january-14-2019/#selection-13.0-17.315 I am inclined to not charge any Pizarro shared hosting customers for the month of January though I am open to hearing other suggested remedies. |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
been up continuously since i set up sensors earlier today, and still alive, with 0 anomalous readings |
23:40 |
asciilifeform |
hanbot: we dun know yet wtf reset the box ( and it happened no fewer than 3 times, in 2 day span ) |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
hanbot: today i set up realtime stream of system log + voltages + temperatures + fan rpm to the torture room, was expecting to find thermal problem, so far 0 |
23:43 |
asciilifeform |
hanbot & other subscribers to uy1 : plox to inform asciilifeform asap if you notice ~any~ unusual behaviour on this box ( not only reset , reset will be obvious from here ) |
23:43 |
trinque |
conspicuous bit is various folks having moved their comms aboard uy1 |
23:44 |
BingoBoingo |
During palm touch tests before cleaning fans the warmest part of the chasis was near the RAID card, by a margin that though small registered on my skin. Do we have a way to instrument the RAID card. |
23:44 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: it's in the log |
23:44 |
trinque |
but you know, pattern-seeking primate amidst randomness |
23:44 |
trinque |
ftr I don't need a month's comp for a few hours of outage, though a few hours of outage does suck. |
23:44 |
asciilifeform |
outages suck, period |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
!#s how many bugs tolerate |
23:45 |
a111 |
5 results for "how many bugs tolerate", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=how%20many%20bugs%20tolerate |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
my fiber has 5-10 minutes of outage in a year, and ~that~ palpably suxx |
23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
the one concerning bit is whether indeed pizarro still owns that box or not. |
23:46 |
BingoBoingo |
trinque: My though on the month is that the money being paid for shared hosting is very real to our customers, and we lack a firm hour count on how many customer uptime hours have been lost. |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this q can be asked re any box. |
23:47 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> the one concerning bit is whether indeed pizarro still owns that box or not. << This very much concerns me |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform well no, original box had a chain of custody, and a history of predictable behaviour. |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: fwiw crashism is more typical result of failed diddling than working. |
23:47 |
trinque |
BingoBoingo: signaling my willingness to pay, not my condoning of the outage. |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
this stance is consistent with, inter alia, republican practice -- we moved variously boxes off providers who kept rebooting them "mysteriously" |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i can't disagree, and am inclined to move it to cold spare when we get another crate in. |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
and the coincidence is there, and glaringly. we know for a fapt inept http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ efforts ~signature move~ is rebootage, much like olde smersh signature move was the clicking on phone line ; and as he points out, buncha people moved their zncs there. |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
the sad part tho is that if asciilifeform threw out erry retardix box that ever kernel panicked, would have none left in service |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
is this a fact, eg the rockchips ? |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
i haven't succeeded in crashing a rockchip yet ( outside from the rotting usb ssd's affair ) |
23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
so then as a factual matter, if asciilifeform threw out erry box that rebooted "by itself" for no apparent reason, pizarro would be missing uy1 |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
but indeed i'd much like to move to a 'near-errybody on rockchips' , ~these~ can approximate the ideal of 'treat irons as toilet paper, discard on 1st sign of rot' |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
this is a case where '1024 chickens' wins |
23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i confess i have nfi what makes you think commodity hardware failed in this case. |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
i dun currently have any notion of knowing what, precisely , failed |
23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
outside of hard drives, and capacitors on OVER FIFTEEN YEAR OLD motherbopards, i have not witnessed this wonder myself, of failing hardware. |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
i have |
23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
kudos to you, but nevertheless. |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
ram, typically |
23:53 |
asciilifeform |
( why -- i do not know. but ram appears to age, possibly ion migration ) |
23:53 |
mircea_popescu |
but the ram in that box is as new as a kitten. |
23:53 |
asciilifeform |
nope |
23:54 |
mircea_popescu |
hm ? |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
the only new iron in the cage is the rk's. |
23:54 |
BingoBoingo |
The solid state drives in UY1 were new |
23:54 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm confused, you bought used ram ? i seem to recall a discussion... |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
and disks yes |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 100% of the x86 iron in the cage is 2009-11 vintage. |
23:54 |
BingoBoingo |
From what I understand the ram came with the chassis |
23:54 |
mircea_popescu |
weren't you shipping a bunch of new rams to make it ?! |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
( can't speak for colo subscribers such as trinque , referring to pizarro irons ) |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: disks |
23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess i must've mixed things. |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
ssds are new, no one buys used ssd, it'd be like buying used toiletpaper |
23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
but i mean... so you have ten year old gb ram ? |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
and 10yo caps etc |
23:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i never saw a mobo bust a cap and then boot by itself again tho. besides, he'd see a busted cap i imagine. |
23:56 |
BingoBoingo |
I saw no burst caps |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 << typical example of when caps. |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
they aint always visibly burst, but i'm inclined to think this wasn't the caps. |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
( or it wouldn't come back up. ) |
23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
so to get this straight, your "most likely explanation" points to... ram failure resulting in kernel panic... twice ? |
23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
(i think the third reboot was actually you guise, or not ?) |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: jury's still out |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 3 unsanctioned, 1 planned reset |
23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
always gotta have a mle, jury can't be out |
23:58 |
asciilifeform |
imho mle is still thermals. |
23:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, a fan stoppedf by itself, and then started working again, by itself ? |
23:58 |
mircea_popescu |
THRICE ? |
23:59 |
asciilifeform |
not necessarily stopped, but obstructed |
23:59 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: keep in mind this was a ben_vulpes-baked box, i never saw inside of it ( dulap-III, dulap-spare, s-mg, s-mg-spare -- i cleaned with own hands ) |
00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
indulge me. so the theory goes that an event with a probability inferior to 1e-4 / day occured three times in two days ? |