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00:05 adlai|textonly pestnet log viewer currently has probably incorrect behavior; tail anchor links to current (UTC) day, which is empty, despite the tail link's anchor text referring to a time in UTC yesterday
00:11 billymg adlai|textonly: that is correct, it's a bug
00:11 billymg i have it fixed on my local copy that i'm working on now
00:11 adlai|textonly excellent!
00:13 * adlai|textonly politely stops chasing and casts random noise into a return pointer
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01:10 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/trilema/2018-04-03#1792803 << ty phf
01:10 bitbot (trilema) 2018-04-03 phf: well, since we're testing things http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1231231231231
01:10 verisimilitude elision: the action of joining or merging things
01:11 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-23#1098535 I've already noticed this.
01:11 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-23 18:11:35 adlai|textonly: you might be able to improve sparsity of your word table's stored representation by eliding all short words computable as linear functions of longer words similar to each other.
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02:31 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-23#1098441 << a+++, imho, observation
02:31 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-23 17:05:54 phf: adlai: first one should establish the difference between futurism and engineering
02:34 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-23#1098510 << these give asciilifeform 'flashbacks' of pcb routing nightmares, lol
02:34 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-23 17:46:35 verisimilitude: Look at these pretty things, adlai.
02:35 asciilifeform 'ohnoez, all the diagonals fail min clearance!!'
02:38 verisimilitude Well, I like them.
02:39 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-23#1098433 << well afaik nobody's excavated & properly 'revived' cmucl just yet
02:39 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-23 16:55:14 adlai: this is a particularly bad combobulation of similarities, because SBCL was indeed some sorta 'hostile takeover' (to borrow the capitalist definition of hostility, without bloodshed! only feelings hurt!);
02:41 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-23#1098547 << o thanks :)
02:41 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-23 19:38:36 shinohai: !!v FB4DD4A693A4F0791F6E3E8152CF7E4583B88222E2342BE381A3CD6C3E2A08B1
02:41 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-23#1098491 << applies similarly to verisimilitude's dictionary thing, neh
02:41 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-23 17:38:47 verisimilitude: Ask a designer of vector graphics how he would store a photograph of subway graffiti, adlai.
02:43 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-23#1098542 << they're indeed off, for folx who did not sync their db properly w/ others
02:43 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-23 19:37:26 billymg: asciilifeform: in looking closely at these now, straightforward regex conversion might not work, the indexes are off
02:43 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform's contains full dump from phf's, and afaik errything but the #e crapola from the rest )
02:44 asciilifeform not pestnet, yet, tho
02:44 verisimilitude That was my point, asciilifeform.
02:45 asciilifeform verisimilitude: hm?
02:46 verisimilitude My point was that vector graphics don't get used for photographs of such anymore than Elision would be used for something such as IRC.
02:47 verisimilitude The scale of a message is too small with it.
02:48 verisimilitude ``An ant can carry many times its body weight, so millions of them can perform this bank heist for me.''
02:49 verisimilitude Millions of ants can't carry a safe.
02:52 asciilifeform imho a sane vector format would subsume e.g. djvu and allow for encoding chunks of photocrapola, and basic affine transforms on same
02:53 asciilifeform ( aaand oblig )
02:58 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-23#1098528 << doesn't bother verisimilitude that he can't define new glyphs there for new notations ?
02:58 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-23 18:00:27 verisimilitude: APL existed before the blight, and so was grandfathered into Unicode.
03:02 verisimilitude It does.
03:03 verisimilitude ``I believe creating a programming language which allows for the creation of custom notation will have a similar effect to that interactive languages have had; both qualities must be a part of the system from its inception to properly work, and any attempt to do otherwise is always but a poor emulation.
03:03 verisimilitude It disgusts me that equality, addition, multiplication, and select others are so privileged so as to be given slots in the character sets, whereas other notations aren't made so omnipresent and innate. The decimal digits are included in this disgust; such things shouldn't be embedded into foundations.''
03:03 verisimilitude ``This also has a large effect on programming languages. The mathematicians can truly create notation that suits its context. The programmers cannot. I'm unable to include my crest in a text except as an image, yet humanity has a proud tradition of including such things in letters and whatnot. These machines are unable to offer anything grand enough to justify destroying these and other traditions.''
03:06 verisimilitude ``For programming, I seek that same type of freedom of notation Ken Iverson had with APL, but greater.''
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03:40 crtdaydreams vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkRJ0lKz2do
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05:30 verisimilitude I came across some poetry today.
05:30 verisimilitude PĒDĪCĀBŌ EGO VŌS ET IRRVMĀBŌ
05:31 verisimilitude ``I will fuck you in the ass and mouth.''
05:32 verisimilitude Literally: ``I will sodomize, I you, and I will receive fellatio.''
~ 8 hours 15 minutes ~
13:47 shinohai Buenos dias phf
13:47 shinohai $vwap
13:47 busybot The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 39577.43 USD
13:58 phf http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-23#1098485 << heard many variations of that also, "dead will not be there to defend themselves"
13:58 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-23 17:36:18 adlai: does recall, fwiw, mini-sermon in Latin class about "do not speak ill of the dead, because only you are present to defend them"
14:00 phf shinohai: vm got rebooted for maintenace
14:03 phf got drunk on a friend's farm last night, was the first good night for a bonfire out here
14:03 shinohai nice!
14:14 phf христос воскресе
14:25 shinohai Oh hey forgot it was Orthodox Easter.
14:26 phf don't leave me hanging tho, you're supposed to say "воистину воскресе"
14:28 shinohai воистину воскресе! >.>
14:29 shinohai I'll try not to be the perv I'm known for and not tell you what is truly risen.
14:31 phf shinohai: that joke probably existed since about the time of the apostles
14:33 shinohai The apostles sound pretty based then.
14:34 phf definitely more so than modern sorry lot
14:37 shinohai No arguments here. I might have been believer in a different time.
14:41 phf living out in the deplorables land i've had a chance to spend some time with various congregations ("come to our church!" is about equivalent to "let's grab a beer"), and i see now why there's dawkins army, why there's a whole generation of millenials etc. who rejected the faith
14:44 shinohai I live in the US "Bible belt" and everything about Protestantism disgusts me.
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14:45 * shinohai agrees with signpost's view: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-07#1093715
14:45 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-07 16:08:11 dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-01 13:19:47 signpost: this is the truly heretical thing about american protestantism, that it grants peasants the sovereign voice so they can masturbate with it.
14:47 phf one church we were invited to had a morbidly obese woman pastor, while half the men who lived in faith spent their time on missionary work in exotic brown countries. "so you serve christ by going to jamaica for couple of weeks at a time, and your trip is funded by the congregation? hmmmm!"
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14:50 shinohai Can't let the mormons have all the fun.
14:52 phf honestly would be badass if raping and pillaging was involved, but reality is probably banal: get drunk at a local bar, get plenty of attention from local girls, not know what to do with it anyway, but still smh feel empowered, go back to washing african feet by day
14:55 phf the advantage of having many competing frameworks in head: can play them against each other to empower own impotence and inaction
14:59 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098617 << this is hilarious and entirely not what asciilifeform (who apparently moar culturally outta date than previously thought) expected !
14:59 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 10:46:36 phf: one church we were invited to had a morbidly obese woman pastor, while half the men who lived in faith spent their time on missionary work in exotic brown countries. "so you serve christ by going to jamaica for couple of weeks at a time, and your trip is funded by the congregation? hmmmm!"
15:01 * asciilifeform pictured dour, clean-shaven 'fire & brimstone preachers'
15:03 * asciilifeform lives where over9000 'spanish' ex-catholics. various evangelical vans take'em somewhere erry sunday, but not been there
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15:04 shinohai Around here it seems you get churches built in old warehouses, gone are the clean-shaven 'fire & brimstone preachers' and instead blue-hair that preaches by tithing God will pay off your mortgage and buy you new BMW.
15:04 asciilifeform lol!
15:07 phf asciilifeform: i have some idea that maybe 80s televangelist movement was the final nail in the coffin, because the whole thing is very much competing churches trying to outdo each other in support of various degeneracies
15:09 phf someone else we know had a brief period between pastors at their church, and was telling me how one of the interim pastors "laid it on them" "you know, because he's not going to be permanent here, he could just speak the truth" why would he not speak the truth normally? because otherwise the congregation will go to church next door
15:10 shinohai "I've had enough of this! Karen, find us a church that preaches comforting lies."
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15:46 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098614 << American-style Protestantism is an aberration even by wider Protestant standards.
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15:46 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 10:43:17 shinohai: I live in the US "Bible belt" and everything about Protestantism disgusts me.
15:50 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098624 << apparently a quarter of Latin America now follows American-style Protestantism, spread by American missionaries.
15:50 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 11:02:25 asciilifeform: lives where over9000 'spanish' ex-catholics. various evangelical vans take'em somewhere erry sunday, but not been there
15:53 gregory2 asciilifeform: are we expecting version 0xfa of Pest soon?
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16:21 asciilifeform wb gregory2 !
16:22 asciilifeform gregory2: there's a 0xfa draft but still needs much massage.
16:23 asciilifeform gregory2: still gotta figure out what to do re this notion (on 1 hand, is arguably Right Thing; otoh, would be a severe breaking change, and arguably adds heavy moving part)
16:23 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-26 18:48:29 asciilifeform: thimbronion: current notion, summarized: we bite off 64byte from payload, and get 2 new fields, call'em 'unlock' and 'lock'. lock == h256(errything else in msg, incl. 'unlock', and unrevealed 32byte turd 'S'.); unlock = 'S' from yer previous msg.
16:25 asciilifeform on 'third hand', the existing, in draft, 'fork' mechanism is poorly defined, arguably even braindamaged, and afaik nobody even implemented yet.
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16:25 asciilifeform summary of problem to be solved ftr.
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16:25 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-21 20:44:32 asciilifeform: if a hero arises who comes up with an algo for forcing handles on a multi-level pestnet to actually stay unique -- let's all take off hats & use it
16:26 asciilifeform this afaik is the 1 serious open problem in pestronics (errything else is relatively straightforward afaik)
16:27 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098630 << what's eureich-protestantism like these days ?
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16:27 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 11:45:09 gregory2: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098614 << American-style Protestantism is an aberration even by wider Protestant standards.
16:36 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098639 << that was why I expected 0xfa to come out soon.
16:36 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 12:23:38 asciilifeform: on 'third hand', the existing, in draft, 'fork' mechanism is poorly defined, arguably even braindamaged, and afaik nobody even implemented yet.
16:36 gregory2 in the meantime I was taking care of some personal matters.
16:37 asciilifeform gregory2: do you have a working station on the current pestnet ?
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16:37 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098640 << I will spend some time thinking about this.
16:37 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 12:24:35 asciilifeform: summary of problem to be solved ftr.
16:38 asciilifeform gregory2: at some pt the conversation will move there. so highly rec to get a working station going.
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16:38 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-22 14:23:50 asciilifeform: even if 0 upstream headaches, is gonna have to clean the fans or sumsuch in it eventually. was at one pt gonna set up an offsite spare, but imho at this pt will say 'pestnet is the spare!'
16:38 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098648 << I have a basic Java implementation but haven't yet connected to your network.
16:38 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 12:35:52 asciilifeform: gregory2: do you have a working station on the current pestnet ?
16:39 asciilifeform gregory2: make even in cobol if you prefer, lol
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16:39 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098651 << thanks for informing me.
16:39 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 12:37:11 asciilifeform: gregory2: at some pt the conversation will move there. so highly rec to get a working station going.
16:40 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098655 << a lot of the problems of Java come from coding techniques and framework-design, not the language itself.
16:40 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 12:38:05 asciilifeform: gregory2: make even in cobol if you prefer, lol
16:41 gregory2 I think under disciplined procedural coding, Java is more pleasant than Python.
16:43 gregory2 Pest is like a small slice of Urbit's vision done correctly.
16:43 asciilifeform from asciilifeform's pov, the part where the runtime weighs moar than his entire os, lol, is problem. but not aiming to dissuade gregory2, simply will point out that he does not keep java around, and won't be testing a javaistic pestron or other proggy personally
16:43 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098643 << it is not doing very well, but I meant Protestantism in view of history.
16:43 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 12:26:27 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098630 << what's eureich-protestantism like these days ?
16:44 asciilifeform gregory2: dunno what you think it has to do with the urbit 'vision' and its centralized hell
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16:45 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098665 << one of Urbit's main features is an IRC-like system. also, Urbit tried to solve the problem of secure routing.
16:45 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 12:42:44 asciilifeform: gregory2: dunno what you think it has to do with the urbit 'vision' and its centralized hell
16:45 asciilifeform ( observe that it has long ago merged w/ the ether shitcoin incidentally )
16:45 dulapbot (trilema) 2019-01-14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress'
16:46 asciilifeform gregory2: 'solved' by imposing yet-another centralized structure, quite like the reich.dns nonsense
16:47 asciilifeform gregory2: the urbit people from the very start had very deliberate hierarchical wank, sold 'fiefdoms', naturally progressed into a shitcoin
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16:48 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098671 << that is a logical narrative if you regard Feudalism as part of the problem rather than the solution.
16:48 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 12:46:24 asciilifeform: gregory2: the urbit people from the very start had very deliberate hierarchical wank, sold 'fiefdoms', naturally progressed into a shitcoin
16:50 asciilifeform gregory2: see e.g. thread. asciilifeform followed author for many yrs, in fact was given 'share' of the thing as a prize in his mathematical contest, quite familiar with the 'let's make a feudalism' project
16:51 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-06-02 asciilifeform: i bring it up because it was another d00d who advocated 1 set of principles : and implemented a very other in code
16:52 asciilifeform in particular.
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16:52 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-06-02 asciilifeform: my least nonsensical hypothesis is that thiel funded urbit (yes) to make a half-hearted play at 'embrace&extinguish'ing bitcoin
16:53 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-06-02#1665004 << I think this was an inevitable consequence of Silicon Valley funding.
16:53 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-06-02 asciilifeform: ( mr. mold advocated for 'patchwork states', which were -- best as anyone could tell -- a miraculous resurrection of 16th c. italian provinces, somehow balanced in mutual non-nukeability . but in 'urbit' he implemented a reich, with central control and total dependence on the 'palace' )
16:54 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098676 << not a bad theory.
16:54 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 12:51:25 asciilifeform: in particular.
16:55 asciilifeform gregory2: 'neofeudalisms' designed right off the bat to cement existing power structures imho fundamentally uninteresting. (unless yer a thiel or whatever oligarch. in which case uninteresting for a ~different~ reason, that being the fact that 'software doesn't work', from state of the art being liquishit, and 'code is law' pretense collapses at the drop of a
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16:55 asciilifeform hat in every case to date)
16:55 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-10-20 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all
17:01 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2014-10-20#885689 << I need to read through all of Dr Greenspun's postings sometime.
17:01 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-10-20 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all
17:03 asciilifeform in particular, mr.mold's cosmography, where somehow reich is run by bureaucrats, and the thiels etc. are somehow rebelling and worthy of support, 'steve jobs zombie for fuhrer!', is imho laughably mendacious.
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17:03 asciilifeform d00d knows full well who actually runs the reich.
17:04 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098682 << in case anyone here missed this essay: http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/
17:04 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 12:54:30 asciilifeform: gregory2: 'neofeudalisms' designed right off the bat to cement existing power structures imho fundamentally uninteresting. (unless yer a thiel or whatever oligarch. in which case uninteresting for a ~different~ reason, that being the fact that 'software doesn't work', from state of the art being liquishit, and 'code is law' pretense collapses at t
17:04 gregory2 "I am disappointed by those who are characterizing the use of this intentional feature as "theft". I am making use of this explicitly coded feature as per the smart contract terms..."
17:04 asciilifeform pretty sure errybody tuned in had read it
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17:04 asciilifeform ( and the pastebin anon piece mp cribbed most of it from )
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17:04 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098692 << it is probably my favorite essay upon that blog.
17:04 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 13:02:56 asciilifeform: pretty sure errybody tuned in had read it
17:04 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098693 << oh the writing was not original?
17:04 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 13:03:14 asciilifeform: ( and the pastebin anon piece mp cribbed most of it from )
17:05 asciilifeform see e.g.
17:05 dulapbot Logged on 2021-02-04 13:56:31 adlai: in case anyone here is foggy on the details: the text of the trilema post about the DAO hack appeared shortly ~after~ the same text appeared on pastebin.com
17:05 gregory2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098687 << of course I took issue with that as well.
17:05 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-24 13:02:09 asciilifeform: in particular, mr.mold's cosmography, where somehow reich is run by bureaucrats, and the thiels etc. are somehow rebelling and worthy of support, 'steve jobs zombie for fuhrer!', is imho laughably mendacious.
17:08 asciilifeform so, gregory2 , where's the appealing bit then? rather obv. imho that mold et al were, right off the bat, serving existing powers under paper-thin mask of 'tech-sexy rebellious alternative'
17:08 dulapbot Logged on 2021-05-24 13:00:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-23#1037440 << reminds me of the czech tale where the princess asks about a suitor : 'is he young?' 'nope, he's old' 'is he at least kind?' 'no, he's the meanest old man alive' 'old and mean! ain't he the ideal groom!'
17:10 gregory2 I did not say that Urbit was appealing, but that Pest might deliver on some of the original expectations of Urbit's following.
17:10 asciilifeform how does 'wanna be a 1st class citizen of the net? 4btc to thiel plox' beat '4btc to iana' ?
17:10 asciilifeform (and in either case 'play ball, or, so sorry, yer cancelled'
17:10 asciilifeform )
17:12 asciilifeform gregory2: observe that pestronics neither promise nor deliver on what asciilifeform suspects was primary appeal of urbitism, 'hey, wanna be a little fuhrer? a gauleiter in our reich? have some serfs under yer boot?' which is 1 reason why you won't be reading about pest on yc, nyt, shitcoin-magazine.
17:13 asciilifeform observe how 'neofeudalists' don't picture selves in role of serf. but rather 'dukes', 'earls', etc
17:13 asciilifeform somebody else, some unspecified rubes, to be the serfs, in all cases.
17:14 asciilifeform ( or sometimes one is offered the nonsensical escherian-architecture of 'feudalism without serfs', even moar lulzily )
17:14 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-19 13:24:32 asciilifeform: phf: from asciilifeform's pov, the notion of 'lord' without subordinates and resource base is fundamentally thin wordplay
17:18 * asciilifeform interested in erosion and, to extent possible, perma-demolition of the power structures. rather than supporting.
17:18 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-19 11:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable.
17:19 asciilifeform ... starting at the obviously accessible, inviting and lubed-up weak point in their armour -- the centralized, curated mockery the lizards have made outta the original internet.
17:19 phf asciilifeform: i got pinged so i don't know the backlog, but that's a drive by snipe at an unresolved point, that ought to be engaged directly, rather than as part of some unrelated strawman
17:21 asciilifeform phf: pinged unintentionally. asciilifeform describing to gregory2 why thinks very little of the 'feudalists'(tm)
17:22 phf fight me, bro
17:22 asciilifeform lol
17:22 * asciilifeform gotta afk in ~10min, to world of trucks, cement, other 'unsexies'
17:23 phf likewise, the weather is too nice, i came to office looking for a pinion seal..
17:23 asciilifeform ha
17:24 asciilifeform phf: pinion of f150 ?
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21:41 verisimilitude I want to have an HTML form which only sends the value of a name=value pair, but it seems I won't be able to have such.
~ 2 hours 15 minutes ~
23:56 crtdaydreams signpost: wondering if way to hook RSS up to bot?
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