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01:16 * mircea_popescu is kinda curious to see mocky coming back for air!
~ 8 hours 4 minutes ~
09:20 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859359 << 1950s volkswagen , with its 2 tanks, had the right idea
09:20 a111 Logged on 2018-10-08 00:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859325 << uterly indefensible choice, "we make lappy with ONE battery". all lappies of all time should have had two. so what if smaller two ? hotswappable!
09:21 asciilifeform and interestingly 'hole for 2nd battery' was not entirely unknown item, even in '90s ~crapple~, i have an example ( 'g3 pismo' ) box that took'em
09:22 asciilifeform but today it is only found in super-heaviweights ( e.g. lenovo 500 series ) afaik.
09:22 asciilifeform and yes i'd rather have 2 half-sized batts than 1 large, this is elementary, esp. given that the 'large' are made of N smalls
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09:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the pnoje people called me at ~800hrs to confirm the # ; but apparently there's meat magic involved and it aint live yet ( lessee tomorrow )
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09:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and apparently we get ~80orcbux of demo credit.
09:26 asciilifeform also , for anyone who hadn't rtfm'd , 'tollfree' pnojeism worx only in usa . errybody else gets to call direct to the actual pnoje.
09:26 asciilifeform ( not peculiar to this vendor, apparently is the case for all of'em )
09:38 asciilifeform meanwhile, in heathen lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852860 turns out to be https://archive.is/vs21A : brazilian shitware, mostly for 'd-link' konsoomer routers
09:38 a111 Logged on 2018-09-22 21:17 asciilifeform: in unrelated lulz, 35.198.33.239 - - [22/Sep/2018:17:30:05 -0400] "GET /dnscfg.cgi?dnsPrimary=139.60.162.188&dnsSecondary=139.60.162.201&dnsDynamic=0&dnsRefresh=1 HTTP/1.1" 301 185 "-" "curl/7.52.1" "-"
09:39 asciilifeform ( spoiler : they did not link to the l0gz... )
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10:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859362 << 16 (plain, no bolds) x 80 == 1280 min. horiz. pixels needed for this.
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10:10 a111 Logged on 2018-10-08 00:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859338 << afaik, also made this point. why the fuck bother with anything under 16 bold, what, they've won me at poker ?
10:10 asciilifeform e.g. the x60, has 1024.
10:11 asciilifeform aaand that's if you can coax emacs into not wasting the 1st and last cols.
10:12 asciilifeform granted, 'modern' lappies, with the 16:9 monstrosity, typically do have 1280+ horiz pixels.
10:14 * asciilifeform bbl,teatime
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11:38 BingoBoingo trinque: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859377 >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zj2hP/?raw=true
11:38 a111 Logged on 2018-10-08 03:40 trinque: oh also BingoBoingo, pls to shoot me WU deets again at your convenience.
11:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859385 << precisely!
11:42 a111 Logged on 2018-10-08 13:22 asciilifeform: and yes i'd rather have 2 half-sized batts than 1 large, this is elementary, esp. given that the 'large' are made of N smalls
11:42 mircea_popescu from the anthropology/hoc pov, this is possibly the best example to point to when defending "civilisation had ended prior to 1990" thesis.
11:42 mircea_popescu we routinely do this to eg latins. applies just as well eveywhere.
11:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858956 << this view, sweet as all delusions ever are, nevertheless is not tenable. live code is live code, and that's the only categorical distinction. whether you'd like to eat the spitoon or not is a signal reality's not pulled out pins to capture.
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11:48 a111 Logged on 2018-10-06 17:03 asciilifeform: this worx great for theorems, algos, but not so much for MB of coad soup
11:48 BingoBoingo trinque: Are you calling the auction early or something?
11:50 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo he's with the boy scouts, wants to be prepared.
11:51 trinque nope, which is why I was curious where he got that number. guess if he wants to keep bidding to reach it, by all means!
11:51 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Ah
11:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859386 << how the fuck did they have ~your~ number.
11:51 a111 Logged on 2018-10-08 13:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pnoje people called me at ~800hrs to confirm the # ; but apparently there's meat magic involved and it aint live yet ( lessee tomorrow )
11:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: cc billing #
11:55 mircea_popescu heh
11:56 asciilifeform i'd be quite surprised if called without having told'em where, lol
11:57 mircea_popescu pretty much all the empire shit works by this "only way to get an x is to link an x' to an y' to the x" device. by now it's actually usable as an empire-detecting heuristic.
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11:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859405 << was moar of a 'quantity has a quality all its own'(tm)(r)(stalin) item. nobody's ever loading 5MB of C into head.
11:58 a111 Logged on 2018-10-08 15:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858956 << this view, sweet as all delusions ever are, nevertheless is not tenable. live code is live code, and that's the only categorical distinction. whether you'd like to eat the spitoon or not is a signal reality's not pulled out pins to capture.
11:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and the only way for that to not have to happen is for someone to chisel down the 5mb. because your hallucinated "option" as to whether you load or not load has 0 bearing -- the only question is whether the 5mb run or don't run.
11:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty ordinary. i hear the chinese took it further still, if you want to rent a car there, gotta give'em gsm sim #, to get the latter, passport... etc
11:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not simply 'does it run' but all of the possible states.
11:59 mircea_popescu i mean, is it live somewhere or is it live nowhere.
11:59 mircea_popescu not "does it work" ; "is it executed"
12:00 mircea_popescu as long as it's executed, anywhere, ever at all -- you're fucking loading.
12:00 asciilifeform i suspect there's a subtle thread there that i'm not grasping
12:00 mircea_popescu let's restate :
12:02 mircea_popescu any quantity of code, no matter how large, no matter how gnarly, no matter how repugnant, and NO MATTER ANYTHING ELSE WHATSOEVER -- a) will be loaded in at least one human head, which will probably be yours, if it ever, at all, gets executed by a computer somewhere ; and b) will NOT be loaded in any heads, including yours, if AND ONLY IF it is NEVER, EVER, executed on any box anywhere.
12:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: most of the extant liquishit was never loaded whole into any head. ( just as applicable to winblowz, openssl, crystalspace, etc. )
12:02 asciilifeform if not loaded ~whole~, then not loaded in head.
12:02 mircea_popescu that's the only distinction reality permits : between code that is run, and code that is not run. whether the task of stuffing it in head "is feasible" according to the head in question or any other heads is entirely irrelevant.
12:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because idiots hallucinated the option of "not loading in head", the code in question now works as a sort of digital frontier : whoever loads more faster wins. hence "hackers".
12:03 asciilifeform if coad was never loaded whole into a working head, it is not properly speaking an artificial object in the sense of being designed, but moar of an excretion, i.e. pile of shit
12:03 asciilifeform correct
12:03 mircea_popescu this is irrelevant.
12:03 mircea_popescu there's no escape from the "any live code -- loaded in head" rule, and this is why you even get the "code -- small" tool.
12:04 asciilifeform i dun see how it is not only not irrelevant, but in fact the ~only~ thing that's relevant when encountering a pile of coad.
12:04 asciilifeform i.e. whether it can be approached as a crafted object, or whether it is pile o'shit
12:04 mircea_popescu because the "not loaded in head" thing is illusory. someone somewhere will.
12:04 asciilifeform if pile of shit -- then all that remains is to dig through it, if must, for the gold ring in it.
12:04 asciilifeform or measure it for typhus. etc
12:04 mircea_popescu this thing you call "digging through"... is in fact...
12:05 asciilifeform is to separate into parts that ~may~ be loadable , individually, in head.
12:06 asciilifeform for instance, i did not load bdb into head, and don't intend to try, i dun have the 20 yrs that it'd take.
12:06 mircea_popescu the difference between the bank clerk who "knows how to run excel" and alf, who can produce cp101a, is not, as you think, "has loaded in head ?". because bank girl has, after a fashion, to inept standards, somewhat loaded windows in head. that your loading is better than her loading is true, and that items move from worse to better in hands of republic and from better to worse in hands of empire is also true.
12:07 mircea_popescu nevertheless, there's no such thing as the option of whether to load or to not load. if it runs -- you're loading.
12:07 mircea_popescu you have currently [done a very poor job] of having loaded in head all binary turds used by all proprietary crap you use.
12:08 mircea_popescu and i have done a moderately shitty job of having loaded in head the entire linux backports project.
12:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my profession the saeculum in fact reduces to 'cut'em up and try load into head, sawing through active resistance by orig author'. it is possible to attempt it. and there are other people whose profession is to lift heavy objects in the circus. but they will not be lifting garbage truck.
12:08 mircea_popescu better post http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858801 than pre, it is true, but still.
12:08 a111 Logged on 2018-10-06 14:36 mircea_popescu: "but mp, you don't understand how the world works" "what is the meaning of '''new''' in the context of '''similar enough to old for this scheme to work''' "oh, it doesn't PROMISE to stay that way! this pile just works as long as it does!" "which isn't a promise ? and if it stops working, what, time for linux-backports-compat-compat, a set of scripts to update the set of scripts that updates...?" "YES!"
12:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform whether you manage [to a standard of your satisfaction, or of my satisfaction, or however define] or don't manage has no bearing. it's still getting done.
12:09 mircea_popescu all code that ever runs anywhere is getting loaded in head. there's no way out of this.
12:09 mircea_popescu it's the cornerstone of the human condition.
12:09 asciilifeform either loaded or thrown
12:09 mircea_popescu thrown == not run.
12:09 asciilifeform i dun disagree that that there's the 2 options
12:10 asciilifeform aha not run, once finally cut off with welding torch from the items that are to be run
12:10 asciilifeform possible we dun disagree
12:10 mircea_popescu this is what breaks the imperial brain, too : we stick to our trees being continuous, like blockchain. to zek -- luxury, can not be afforded.
12:11 asciilifeform i suspect that we dun have a point of disagreement re subj; i got stuck on 'run'
12:11 mircea_popescu and so "stuffed windows userland item into head" === large pile of assumption, wsod, jumps over gaps like ballerina. but it's still loaded, if poorly, unreliably, etc. it's loaded.
12:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeh, just taking opportunity to overexplicitly state for teh logs.
12:11 asciilifeform aite
12:12 mircea_popescu (i think trinque especially enjoys reading these)
12:12 asciilifeform let's also recall the fella who ate a boeing.
12:13 mircea_popescu anyway, the whole " Naturally, since these types of morality focus more on abstract concepts rather than the people themselves, expect some rather nasty extremism." http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-71.327-71.472 item has a lot of bearing here : the only way empire mind can make it to the end is through a LOT of jumping across gaps. thus they came up with this doctrine of love, "this makes
12:13 mircea_popescu no sense, but people themselves before abstract concepts!!" aka "if you really loved me you'd buy this house/ring/kid/whatever yo ucan't afford" etc.
12:14 mircea_popescu unremarkably enough, the pantsuit religion is then "the religion of love". cuz god "so loved his children", he gave them windows and asked them to use it.
12:14 asciilifeform the old christian claptrap , that birthed current pantsuit, at least made the creeds explicit
12:14 mircea_popescu (which is ~literally~ what fucking happened, "i was made by people too stupiud to make sense, BELIEVE in me" is the cry the guerre of the stupidgod.)
12:15 asciilifeform current lot of derps seems to make'em up as they go
12:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform everything's explicit to the sufficiently trained eye. as they are unexplicit through confusion to moron today -- so they were 2k years ago. as directly visible to me then, so visible now.
12:16 asciilifeform possibly to sufficiently expert entomologist, the current idjicy is linearly mappable to the older one, even; i have nfi
12:17 mircea_popescu i can't detect ambitiously indolent stupidity has changed in any way since the days we fed them to the lions.
12:18 mircea_popescu notice ~why~ it is random derp uses [ie, acts as if has loaded in head] pile of gnarl like say excel, or "telegram" or "kubinetes" or w/e : FOR LOVE OF BROTHER. "we all do it". but it sucks ? "yes well."
12:18 mircea_popescu community prayer.
12:19 mircea_popescu what exactly is to be deemed the difference between bunch of retards gathering together to worship gappy nonsense in some cave and bunch of retards gethering together to pretend like they know wtf the computer is doing, in some concrete re-enactment of a cave ?
12:20 mircea_popescu because no, the "i know ~exactly~ what the computer is doing" declaration is not optional. exactly like socrates' observation, "the man claiming no political system has political system", exactly so, whatever the claim, to run code on machine equals the declaration of having fully read and thoroughly understood. there's no wiggle room.
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12:21 mircea_popescu and the "i have nfi what excel is doing" observation does not reduce to "i have not fully read and thoroughly understood" ; but instead it reduces to "i have read and fully understood -- and i fill overquickly". ie, "i am dumb, easily satisfied and easily amused".
12:22 mircea_popescu which drives the fundamental difference between zek and republican : some people are satisfied before satisfaction is on the table ; some only after. that's all.
12:23 diana_coman !!v E1E5979C4064C1E73632B9D559C847A41914992CC4CC57DED30C0FE73DC3E1A8
12:23 deedbot diana_coman updated rating of Mocky from 1 to 5 << Runs towards scary stuff rather than away from it. Met irl.
12:23 mircea_popescu that might be the record jump. where'd you two meet ?!
12:23 mircea_popescu o wow, in heathrow ?
12:24 diana_coman mircea_popescu, in London; though he did have a weird flight - went back to New York, repaired plane, went back
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12:25 mircea_popescu what's teh dalih habeeb like ?
12:25 mircea_popescu s/dalih/djarib/ but anyway.
12:26 mircea_popescu diana_coman wait, HE repaired the plane ?!
12:29 diana_coman ahahah, no
12:29 diana_coman the great american airlines managed to repair the plane on their own - this time
12:30 diana_coman he's a very nice fellow!
12:30 mircea_popescu this sounds so fucking suspicious lmao. did they leave without all the mocky surveillance ? :D
12:30 asciilifeform lol since when does one repair plane ~after flight back across atlantic~
12:30 asciilifeform it dun make sense
12:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i never heard of this lol. maybe they only got as close as halfway-1.
12:31 asciilifeform 'uhm, turbine's loose, lemme go to the depot 11000km from here'
12:31 mircea_popescu good thing he placed a 30 hour gap there lmao. "what are you going to do in heathrow for that long !? " "fly back and forth repairing planes."
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12:31 mircea_popescu "now pass me that grease bucket"
12:32 diana_coman back from wherever they got but surely not from london, lol! I understood it was the type of "took off, flew a bit, something wrong, going back because can't risk attempting to cross the atlantic"
12:32 diana_coman anyways, he'll surely be able to give details when he gets online
12:32 mircea_popescu "dear belovedly departed passengers, this is your captain speaking. we seem to have taken off without some parts that are kinda needed, so we'll be going back. hopefully."
12:32 diana_coman honestly, this is how it sounded! kind of reason why I asked him what airline was that because it's the first time I hear such a thing
12:33 mircea_popescu "actually, let me correct that : we're going back for sure. precisely how far back is still under trial."
12:33 diana_coman and in which direction, lol
12:34 diana_coman but yes, apparently 30 hours gap great thing
12:34 mircea_popescu only way to fly -- rarely.
12:35 * asciilifeform had that same 30 hrs gap -- in bucharest
12:35 asciilifeform all the speed of dirigible, with none of the comforts!11
12:35 BingoBoingo Nah, see this is the new artisanally diverse aviation. How dare you impose your engineering on these snowflake turbines!
12:35 mircea_popescu i used to connect through frankfurt with a 6ish hour gap for lunch and merriment, back in the days.
12:37 diana_coman on my way back to costa rica I had this connecting flight in Madrid, a few hours gap, had something to eat, no problem
12:37 diana_coman from costa rica, lol
12:37 mircea_popescu but 30 is a diff game altogether. sleepover sorta gap.
12:38 diana_coman yes, I would honestly simply stay a few days in that town then at least, but what can I say
12:38 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/10/usg-and-victims-deny-allegations-of-chinese-ownership-of-their-implanted-servers/ << Qntra - USG And Victims Deny Allegations Of Chinese Ownership Of Their Implanted Servers
12:38 mircea_popescu well, i can say : the town is london, so i can understand why he'd rather sit in airport.
12:38 diana_coman neah, he wanted to visit the town
12:38 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo aaaahahaha epic.
12:39 mircea_popescu make moar comission to study russian spying ynot.
12:39 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ty, fodder for Qntrapressing submitted by alf
12:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845236 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842521 and etc also never happened.
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12:39 a111 Logged on 2018-08-28 17:22 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-butthurt-china-wont-share-samples-of-h7n9-flu-virus/ << Qntra - USG Butthurt China Won't Share Samples Of H7N9 Flu Virus
12:39 a111 Logged on 2018-08-17 16:55 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/arrogance-and-shit-comms-system-kill-us-spies-in-china/ << Qntra - Arrogance And Shit Comms System Kill US Spies In China
12:40 * asciilifeform suspects the story is a rich lulzmine with many gold veins yet to appear
12:40 BingoBoingo Well, Russia can't afford to buy USG.blue
12:40 BingoBoingo And China can
12:40 mircea_popescu coming after http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-21#1659977
12:40 a111 Logged on 2017-05-21 13:28 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/rumour-us-cia-lost-most-china-humint-assets-during-hussein-bahamas-administration/ << Qntra - Rumour: US CIA Lost Most China Humint Assets During Hussein Bahamas Administration
12:40 mircea_popescu "mop-up".
12:42 mircea_popescu and, amusingly enough, they're ~still~ all into "multiculti" bs and still not "oh, here's the keys tmsr, lead us out of the shit".
12:43 asciilifeform they like the shit just fine. 'vivir en mierde'(tm)
12:45 mircea_popescu in the immortal words of mr oover, "i say they is not white man."
12:53 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> all code that ever runs anywhere is getting loaded in head. there's no way out of this. << Relatedly in my times here I have met a number of "digital nomads" who use chromebooks as issued by Google and evangelize for them. Rather than "loaded chromeOS into head" they strike me as "leased head to google"
12:54 mircea_popescu precisely. "we're the sinowhores" 5th column.
12:54 BingoBoingo "Geographically independent" and Google tethered
12:55 mircea_popescu whole point of their exercise is "you can be a slave to stupid empire EVEN WITHOUT traditional trappings".
12:56 mircea_popescu a sort of "if you don't like lobotomy with knife -- can have lobotomy with anal dildo. same effect, diff flavour".
12:56 mircea_popescu what's usg if not this "singular effect, choose your paper wrapper"
12:57 BingoBoingo One of the fellows ranted and raved about Masonic conspiracies yet advanced the position "I don't see why anyone would be advantaged by not using GoogleSpyDevice as their 'conputer'"
12:58 mircea_popescu oh he doesn't see ?!
12:59 BingoBoingo I just suggested the next time he's smoking out in his hovel that he watch that Citizen4 Snowden documentary
13:01 BingoBoingo Can't fix stupid, but you can try to drop hints that might lead to stupid making itself suffer
13:03 BingoBoingo His proclaimed project was making a Indian penny labor powered bot for alt-fetlifes
13:06 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: these loltrepreneurs, the folx milling about in 'co-op', fearing mumps, building alt-fetlifes -- what did they live on ?
13:07 asciilifeform couldn't help but wonder
13:08 mircea_popescu college debt.
13:08 asciilifeform they have these in BingoBoingstan?!
13:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: This guy claimed to have an older business partner back in the states, moved on to Patagonia after a month and a half
13:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: This one was gringo
13:08 asciilifeform aaa so extension cord back to usa, lolk
13:08 BingoBoingo Assumed agent or informant
13:09 BingoBoingo He also parroted idiot Uruguayo line about the insecurity
13:09 BingoBoingo And parroted trope about how boring Uruguay is
13:10 asciilifeform lulzy. BingoBoingostan struck me as place where you could , per the chinese proverb, 'send virgin with sack of gold coins from one end to other, and keep both virtue and coin'
13:10 BingoBoingo Depends on how tall the girl is
13:11 BingoBoingo Either way the virtue will be intact, but the shorter she is the greater the chance sack gets grabbed
13:11 asciilifeform lolhow's that ? does mircea_popescu throw ladder down from dirigible to the tall ones?
13:11 asciilifeform ah hm
13:12 BingoBoingo My hypothesis is that the short ones look less capable of pursuing their bag, among other disadvantages
13:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform recall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732326 ? here's what it buys them : mp can't now declare racial fatah upon the little yellow men. because why would i, so they're kindly keeping large numbers of white idiots around to reproduce. as per http://trilema.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/ this isn't even a bad move. so they bought the managing to go around with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859521
13:13 a111 Logged on 2017-11-03 12:41 asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the middle kingdom's 'feed the enemy until he dies of old age' philosophy, so cannot comment
13:13 a111 Logged on 2018-10-08 16:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845236 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842521 and etc also never happened.
13:13 mircea_popescu and YET not elicit immune response. this is a small thing to buy ?
13:15 asciilifeform i do recall a mircea_popescu thread where ' i dun care how they run the barn, i'ma drink the milk ' or how did it go.
13:17 mircea_popescu well ? the FACT of the matter is that reproduction is -ev. always was, too. so little yellow men wish to participate in the affairs of humanity by essentially taking on the role of the human female ? this is a crime now ? should be hated for attempt to participate as best can ?
13:18 asciilifeform it still aint 100% clear to me for what exactly china needs the white devil. recall when the brits had to hook'em on opium , to buy tea ? ( cn prior would take only gold/silver as payment , and brits were running low )
13:18 mircea_popescu let them credit the fed general acct with as cheap items as can be had in counterparty for it, so the fed extends "college debt" to the above morons, so they have kids and move europe outta the present lulz.
13:19 mircea_popescu yes, it's true, europe is in a rut, beyond ridiculous. this is what europe fucking does, and has been doing, it cycles. yes there's oodlebunches of useless old women about, but already the young cunts are very much oriented upwards.
13:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform for actually doing things worth the mention. that's all.
13:19 asciilifeform i suspect they're quite disappointed with the investment then
13:20 asciilifeform 'hey we bought the beethoven-maker and it dun make no moar beethovens'
13:20 mircea_popescu china -- had gunpowder. white devil -- fired it into forbidden palace. china -- had helicopter. white devil -- flew it. china -- had alchemy, on paper. etc.
13:20 asciilifeform ( recall the ancient tale of the 'money printer machine' scam, where it was preloaded with coupla benjies )
13:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they got time. so do i. it'll make more, eventually.
13:21 mircea_popescu as i say -- the young hussies already are looking for slavery and abjection, in contrast to their stupid mulas and stramulas. from rotherham to anytown, usa, the 15 yo is saying "please, beat, rape and light me on fire -- anything whatsoever but having to talk with my kinmorons."
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13:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wasn't even all 'paper' tho -- recall the enuch vizier d00d, picking up elephants, giraffes, from africa in 1500s on maersk-sized boat
13:22 mircea_popescu and that's pretty much how the upswing cycle begun every other time.
13:22 asciilifeform ( and where next emperor tallied up the ev and ended up ordering ~all~ boats bigger than fisherman's tub, burned... )
13:25 mircea_popescu heh
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14:33 BingoBoingo In other lolz: Diputado del FA advirtió que “nos conviene estar en buenas relaciones” con Bolsonaro
14:33 BingoBoingo Translation: The local commies know they can't stop MBGA
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14:50 diana_coman in other possible interesting things: I got invited to give a talk to students at local uni (Reading, UK) on "bitcoin and blockchain"; personally I'm not all that keen on it but given the recent ideas regarding reach out and all that, I am at least considering this; any input on this is welcome
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14:51 diana_coman ftr the above comes after I pretty much demolished (at a kids' party of all places) the "content" the poor new lecturer had inherited
14:51 mircea_popescu lol.
14:51 mircea_popescu so go, talk, why not. don't put up with any substantial shit, nor with more coincidental shit than you feel like. if they don't like it, they can shove it.
14:52 mircea_popescu have them hook up an irc session to a projector, we can chat during.
14:52 asciilifeform hey , at one time ( pre-tmsr... ) asciilifeform was invited to do talk at... microshit. still regrets not having prepared a trololol and going
14:53 mircea_popescu doesn't even have to be "trololol". things are what they are, the congregation of the weirdos are more than welcome to react however they can think of.
14:54 * asciilifeform envisions sumthing in the vein of hanbot's letter ( hey mod6 , did that ever get sent anywhere yet ? ) but obv the detail is up to diana_coman's skilled hand
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14:54 mircea_popescu im sure she's qualified to lecture on her own.
14:54 asciilifeform iirc was even pro lecturer at one time
14:54 diana_coman from my pov the whole gain if I'm doing this is precisely in giving at least students the *chance* to hear something other than the regurgitated bullshit
14:55 diana_coman the inherited slides are the usual mixture of "blockchain new techhxxx" + "ethereum!!!"
14:55 mircea_popescu it's a mitzvah, as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/
14:55 BingoBoingo I see nothing but upsides from diana_coman doing the lecture
14:55 mircea_popescu if you got the time and feel like it, go, why not.
14:55 asciilifeform imho http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ is pretty good material for such a lecture
14:56 BingoBoingo Ditto the trilema material on Bitcoin regulation
14:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform even something such as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-02#1857395 great material
14:56 a111 Logged on 2018-10-02 18:20 nicoleci: 221
14:56 diana_coman it's more a matter of wtf to do to get through to them in the least seeing how they are so ...far away on all dimensions to any reality
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14:56 mircea_popescu i guarantee you 9 in 10 MATH PROFESSORS can't explain rsa.
14:56 mircea_popescu diana_coman is that not a good example ? bitcoin can be mentally reconstructed from fundamentals of rsa and db permanence.
14:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i dun think i've yet met one, but i have 0 doubt that they are already on the jerb somewhere in ameristan
14:57 mircea_popescu translate http://trilema.com/2011/ce-este-bitcoin/ why not.
14:57 diana_coman I see so many things to say, lol!
14:57 asciilifeform the chillunz may end up a bit confused when notice that there is no rsa in classical btc, but otherwise yes
14:59 BingoBoingo In other wild finds the local commies are making campaign materials to help Make Brasil Great Again: https://i.redd.it/q6olj8nxxyq11.jpg
15:00 asciilifeform 'no te violo porque no lo mereces' << win
15:00 mircea_popescu lulzy item. "let's mix the scary things!!!"
15:00 asciilifeform i recall similar lolgem made for trump etc
15:01 mircea_popescu hey, latinos are exactly like the chinese, but with samba si trabajo no gene extra. otherwise -- of fucking course they'll be copying some white man.
15:01 mircea_popescu latrinos*
15:01 asciilifeform lol!!! win
15:01 asciilifeform latrinos. viva en mierde
15:01 mircea_popescu haymasfuturo.
15:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform technically, "latrinos. quien viven en mierda." but anyway.
15:03 asciilifeform meanwhile, in trb observatory... nuffin on surface. but! loox like all of trb planet stuck on 544911 ( heathens : 544928 )
15:03 asciilifeform potential microforklet, possible lulz .
15:04 asciilifeform loox like it's been going for coupla hrs nao.
15:05 mircea_popescu hm
15:06 asciilifeform imho errybody gotta have at least 1 noad with a display, will see lulz like this , i suspect , regularly
15:06 mircea_popescu http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2018-8-31#416460 << mimi even longer ago ?!
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15:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc ben_vulpes is moving his node on horse-drawn cart to texas
15:07 mircea_popescu that's end of aug. but ok.
15:07 asciilifeform all of http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html seems to be on 544911 just nao .
15:15 asciilifeform iirc BingoBoingo , and possibly mircea_popescu , have unadvertised/'stealth' noades, see if they're also ditto.
15:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: investigating
15:16 asciilifeform hour of 'earth stands still' is a regular thing , 2 -- i suspect is skulduggery
15:17 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> potential microforklet, possible lulz . << lulz involving exploitation of powerrangers inflation bug would be great lecture fodder
15:18 mircea_popescu eh, plenty of 12+ hrs to date.
15:18 BingoBoingo Then again there have been other forklets to include in lectures of why "move fast and break things" doesn't work
15:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: individual noad 12h yes , whole orchestra afaik -- not since 2016
15:20 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other lulz re ben_vulpes : "nginx/1.10.3 (Ubuntu)".
15:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform whole orchestra too ; i dunno what state of improved patching it finds itself, but if it thereby "increased reliability" in an uniform manner...
15:21 mircea_popescu ie, 90% of the bugsoup that produced delays before is removed, the remainder 10% will naturally stand out.
15:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: something to this; 'aggression' removed most (not all) instances of trb 'sitting with mouth open'
15:22 asciilifeform so nao moar apparent when friction at the interface of trbdom an' heathendom
15:23 mircea_popescu right.
15:23 mircea_popescu 1st line culprit anyway.
15:25 asciilifeform fwiw zoolag in particular hasn't even seen ~invalid~ blox for ~2h.
15:26 mircea_popescu diana_coman BingoBoingo has a point, including ample warnings of the dangers of hallucinated optionality, man-aloneism, following pr-rangerism, mit-ism, eterdation etc can't possibly hurt the young'uns.
15:26 mircea_popescu won't likely help them anymore than ye olde story of prikoke, but what can you do.
15:28 diana_coman aha, hence my "chance to hear" rather than anything else
15:29 mircea_popescu yeah.
15:30 mircea_popescu seriously tho, have them hook an irc client to a projector, that way it's "chance to hear" + "be remembered". already +ev.
15:30 diana_coman before talking of "blockchain technologies" I'd much rather talk of the whole non-technology part that is anyway more important
15:31 mircea_popescu the situation of white woman on amazon island is that whatever the fuck you talk about, it's dirigible-to-shitshack more interesting than whatever ~else~ they could be hearing about.
15:31 diana_coman I'll have to sit down and sketch for myself some clear options so that I know what I want from this; then I can serve it to them "take it or leave it" and that is that
15:31 mircea_popescu men have been hanged for less.
15:32 mircea_popescu watch that she ends up with an academia chair, thereby having ended up in the exact latrine she was trying to avoid by virtue of the very hay she was avoiding it by!
15:33 mircea_popescu IRONY WORLD.
15:33 diana_coman ahahah
15:33 BingoBoingo lol
15:33 mircea_popescu diana_coman if you end up seeing Framedragger / jimmy hoffa / elvis tell them they're missed.
15:34 diana_coman lol! who's jimmy hoffa?
15:34 mod6 holler at vrag for me
15:34 mircea_popescu teamsters union head, famous disappearance act.
15:34 mircea_popescu mod6 word!
15:35 BingoBoingo Anyways, presenting conservative sanity as thoughtful "minimalism" has tremendous social engineering value by brainfucking the pantsuit
15:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in the spirit of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663960 are you aware the age-honored mobster expression for "ran away/disappeared" is "took a powder", literally conflating the two FOR THE REASON of making your exact point in folkloric style ?
15:36 a111 Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
15:37 mircea_popescu (reference is to the perception of magician's acts)
15:44 asciilifeform hm
15:45 asciilifeform new one, to me
15:48 asciilifeform it does stylistically fit, yes
15:57 mircea_popescu attested in thieves cant since 17th century.
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17:10 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/meanwhile/ << Trilema - Meanwhile...
17:13 mod6 lol like a moth to a flame 'eh?
17:18 asciilifeform aaand blox begin to appear..
17:21 mod6 did you get 912?
17:24 mod6 ok, i see some nodes drinking it down: https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/
17:34 mircea_popescu kek
17:44 BingoBoingo I see up to 544936
17:46 mod6 940 is current... so just a few behind atm
17:46 * mod6 bbl
17:48 BingoBoingo And now 37
17:49 asciilifeform incidentally just cuz a heathen says he is 'current' dun mean much, reorgs are a thing
17:50 asciilifeform ( will be interesting to see what the dynamic is once we have chain/forklet-reorg plotter going )
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18:20 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=45 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/05/2018
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19:15 BingoBoingo As mimi is not logging pizarro I present the latest report draft http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XAMut/?raw=true for mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform and all other interested parties
19:29 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo !
19:30 trinque "Bingoboingo provided an update on where the good drugs are located" << these things are hysterical.
19:30 asciilifeform unrelatedly, who the fuck is billymg ?
19:30 asciilifeform !#born billymg
19:30 BingoBoingo trinque: I submitted a comment clarifying that line concerned where the crap drugs are located
19:31 asciilifeform uhm, phf , does a111 not know how to say null ?
19:31 asciilifeform anyway billymg appears to be a remora who's never spoken but clutters up my tabcomplete for BingoBoingo !111
19:34 BingoBoingo I'm not turning up anything in heathen pits but someone who maybe contributed more bugs to drupal
19:34 trinque !!up billymg
19:34 deedbot billymg voiced for 30 minutes.
19:34 asciilifeform for some reason i thought that we were rid of these
19:35 trinque billymg: anyone back there, eh?
19:36 BingoBoingo !!downkickban billymg lurking with a nick that inconveniences tabcomplete
19:36 BingoBoingo !!down billymg
19:37 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859589 << I didn't send, no. Should I replace Hanna's name in there and the phone number?
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19:37 a111 Logged on 2018-10-08 18:54 asciilifeform envisions sumthing in the vein of hanbot's letter ( hey mod6 , did that ever get sent anywhere yet ? ) but obv the detail is up to diana_coman's skilled hand
19:37 BingoBoingo If there was life there zhe could have addressed the forum before Q2 2018.
19:38 trinque truth. the new voicing behavior oughta help when it comes about.
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20:01 mod6 my nodes are caught back up, fwiw
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