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02:45 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=58 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/17/2018
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03:59 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863915 >> no wires in sight anywhere in Doha
03:59 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 02:17 BingoBoingo: I have to say from Mocky's pics of Qatar so far I am impressed by the manner in which they manage to hide the electric wires. Down here they just... can't
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04:19 Mocky and no houses. commercial buildings and villas. every villa at least 3 stories, flat top, fully wrapped in concrete wall at least 8 feet high, with iron gate for car and iron door
04:21 Mocky 8 foot walls for the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress'
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04:23 Mocky except for skyscrapers and 'artistic buildings' everything is cinder block or brick fully covered in concrete facing.
04:25 Mocky in the 'burbs there are sort of ticky tack housing communities where a couple dozen villas will share one big wall, with guard on duty at the gate.
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04:29 Mocky one result is that there isn't a single unsightly yard anywhere, from external pov. from inside pov, it seems like most have a junk pile their back 'yard'
04:33 Mocky not really right to call it 'burbs, it's still in the city just not downtown. Villa is also often commercially, dr office, restaurant, shops: just with extra windows and signage
04:43 Mocky if they built like this in florida, hurricane season would be quite different. but then yeah hardly anyone would be able to afford to live there.
04:52 diana_coman are all houses at the edge of the city or where? not that I'm even sure I see a difference if ~all desert anyway
04:53 diana_coman how's the "qatar week 2" coming along, Mocky ?
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05:09 Mocky the downtown area wraps the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call this 'a ring'. the rest of the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed.
05:10 Mocky for example, there are 12 malls in Doha. if you stood on top of one, could see others.
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05:11 Mocky so not at the edge of the city only, but almost everywhere
05:24 diana_coman ah, makes some sense; though I gather it's basically living among the malls and sand but I suppose that's what it is
05:25 Mocky actually the only sand is at construction sites. of which there are many. in the city that is. nicely paved streets with nice looking brick sidewalks ~everywhere
05:26 Mocky some massive constructions sites with thousands of laborers
05:26 diana_coman well yes, but that's basically adding concrete/brick to the mix; soil is still what it is
05:26 Mocky week two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of these people are locals, none of them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what they would do if needed to find.
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05:27 diana_coman are they all employed there? or tourists or what?
05:27 Mocky the class system is strong, i've met only bottom 3 classes: guilded cage workers
05:27 diana_coman aha, not very surprising
05:29 Mocky but Qataris don't mix with the help, except the partying 20 somethings that don't want to work (reportedly) and they don't seem to be in their parents wot
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05:30 Mocky well not so 'guilded' for the bottom two classes, but at least they can leave now if they want
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05:31 diana_coman I must say I don't really have any concrete idea unfortunately re how to go about to find an entrance to qatari wot
05:33 Mocky i went to both coworks. well, "coworks" one is 15th floor of a bank highrise that was empty and expensive. the other is trying to be a startup incubator run by the ministry of communications
05:33 diana_coman oh huh, and no work at the startup incubator?
05:33 Mocky but there's exactly no one here who would use a coworks. you either came here for a job, or your dad can get you a job
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05:34 Mocky so the startup incubator is not at all like what i expected
05:34 diana_coman I'd naively expect there would be at least some sort of link possible at the incubator; no events either?
05:35 Mocky no they have events and even people there, but i can't get in, lol
05:36 Mocky you have to get approved, but there's no one actually at the place to approve you, only desk minders. and if approved you have to join the sv track
05:36 Mocky ie year one do this, year 2 do this...
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05:36 diana_coman hm, but no way to even attend one of the events i.e. as visitor?
05:37 Mocky the events are: make your slide deck, public speaking workshops, have an app...
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05:37 diana_coman the point being to my mind to perhaps meet *there* some people worth meeting, not as much joining the track per se
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05:37 diana_coman and at those workshops the audience is only incubator-fellows or what?
05:37 Mocky they did have an event the day i arrived, but i missed it. no more events on the near calendar
05:38 diana_coman ah, pitty; well, hopefully they have more than 1 / year, lol
05:38 diana_coman failing that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good that might be
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05:39 Mocky no sure who shows up, probably mandatory for those in-program
05:39 Mocky i'm about to implement plan b, and talk to the local companies that advertise to help you get your business started and help find you a sponsor
05:40 diana_coman my limited experience with a business incubator in south tyrol was that there were also people from local businesses + local government, but I have no idea to what extent this experience means anything for qatar-incubator
05:41 diana_coman that sounds worth a shot too, certainly
05:42 Mocky one of them claims on their website that certain IT and consulting busniesses don't require a local sponsor. if they actually have experience with these things I expect it to be helpful
05:42 Mocky not sure yet what the cost, or thier criteria
05:45 diana_coman worth finding out at least
05:47 Mocky yup
05:48 Mocky ftr: the bottom class is outside laborers, housed in barracks, transported by busses
05:49 diana_coman sounds pretty much like usual "cattle-class"
05:49 Mocky next to bottom class is cheap workers who aren't permitted to get a drivers license: http://archive.is/Cg7uU
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05:49 Mocky but also drivers are in that class, lol
05:50 diana_coman wait what, drivers aren't permitted to get a drivers' license?
05:50 Mocky haha no, they can get license but not escape their 'station'
05:51 Mocky this class works 12 hour days, or shift work and still has no money left over to actually do anything in thier free time
05:51 diana_coman sounds like ol' world drivers/gardeners/maids/cooks/servants in general, no?
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05:51 Mocky yup
05:52 Mocky but also includes memebers of the next class up who are of the wrong race
05:52 diana_coman ah well, if not a camel, then can't camel I suppose
05:53 Mocky engineers, techies, skilled jobs who are indian, malay etc.
05:55 Mocky but the upper class of foreign workers has a better deal than they'd get back home. comparable pay, dozen weeks of holiday per year, no taxes, housing provided
05:55 Mocky allowed to drive
05:56 Mocky actually i'm pretty sure everyone is getting a better deal than back home come to think of it
05:56 diana_coman they wouldn't go there otherwise, would they
05:56 Mocky zackly
05:57 diana_coman at the end of the day it's not exactly qatar's fault that it's so shitty at home for those people that they'd rather eat the sand there
05:59 Mocky can't build a pittsburg out of the sand in 35 years without grunts
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06:16 Mocky well i guess more like DC or SF but with ~twice the popluation
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09:25 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..
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09:25 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 08:21 Mocky: 8 foot walls for the cheap housing 20 foot for expensive. From what i can tell ~nobody lives outside of such 'fortress'
09:26 deedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07c-kronstadt.html << The Tar Pit - Kronstadt, et alia
09:26 Mocky no, but I mean to ask. 100% ubiquitous here
09:30 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864022 -> uhm, I don't think this is true
09:30 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 13:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..
09:31 diana_coman or rather: enemy can be defined very loosely (sand! strangers' eyes!)
09:34 asciilifeform diana_coman: the american folx indeed define loosely ; they build wooden fence tho, not ferrocement
09:35 asciilifeform the latter, to me suggests a present enemy
09:37 Mocky one thing i can say is that in the past there were guards hired at many villas to monitor the comings and goings. lover cannot be snuck into parents house easily, and expats had same problem here. "cannot bring girlfriend over... guard"
09:37 Mocky it's not so anymore. now it's more "don't ask dont' tell", though unwed sex is still illegal, and some "family" oriented hotels here will ask for marriage cert
09:39 Mocky evidently they no longer care unless you force them to care. like having a domestic dispute where police are called while living together unwed
09:40 Mocky then ... "trouble"
09:41 Mocky also there's the angle of "good fences make good neighbors". but I'll ask
09:41 diana_coman makes some sense: if you want our help than stick to our rules; if you follow your rules than wtf you want from us
09:43 diana_coman iirc thick walls also -> cooler; though this might make more sense for building rather than garden
09:46 asciilifeform Mocky: from your earlier description , sounds like there are no 'lumpens' in qatar ? ( if so, this is pretty neat )
09:47 Mocky idle layabouts?
09:48 asciilifeform well not just any idlers, but folx not fitting into the structure. bums, pickpockets, the typical bipedal ferals of 'civilization'
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09:48 asciilifeform ( while on subj, what's the punishment system like ? can attend a good beheading, arm-chopping ? )
09:51 Mocky quite rigid structure, few if any cracks to fall into. Foreigner is tourist, sponsored worker, or businessman. plenty of idle locals, but idle rich in nature, if not substance
09:51 Mocky flogging is still a thing here
09:51 asciilifeform ha, nice
09:51 asciilifeform ... public ?
09:52 Mocky but not often employed
09:55 Mocky I don't know about public or not. as part of sharia law it applies only to muslims. they have secular law for non muslims.
09:55 Mocky it's still on the books, 40 lashes for sex outside marriage for a muslim. i think they did it as recently as a few years ago
09:56 Mocky for the man only
09:56 Mocky finger / hand / arm chopping ... not a thing anymore here
09:58 Mocky fewer lashes for theft etc. I know the corporal punishment sentences are handed down, but not always implemented. I don't know the ratio of commuting to jail time / deportation
10:00 Mocky gotta pass a medical exam that says if you'd survive. can keep shirt on. reportedly brusing not bleeding
10:00 asciilifeform makes sense tho, if errybody is either a baron or cheapo gastarbeiter , deportation worx
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10:21 asciilifeform meanwhile, upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863739 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863746 >> nao perma-mirrored! >> http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/amberglint_macsyma_pill.txt , http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/amberglint_ns_pill.txt
10:21 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 00:41 amberglint: thankfully someone shared the crack with me, which I pasted here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/91Gll/?raw=true
10:21 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 00:43 amberglint: here's the crack for Macsyma: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TRpId/?raw=true
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11:19 BingoBoingo In other news: The Peruana, Gloria, has passed her examinations and will be getting licensed in the profession of vaccination.
11:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863959 << what you're describing is pretty much where the current world's going. ~same here, ~same in moscow, whatever.
11:25 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 08:25 Mocky: in the 'burbs there are sort of ticky tack housing communities where a couple dozen villas will share one big wall, with guard on duty at the gate.
11:26 mircea_popescu it's a sad testament to the age of "enlightment" that we went from 1600s manor house to 1800s brownstone tenement and now to 2000s tallwall. dark ages ftw.
11:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863966 << jesus flatlands.
11:28 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:10 Mocky: for example, there are 12 malls in Doha. if you stood on top of one, could see others.
11:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863972 << ahahaha. this is pretty rich.
11:30 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:26 Mocky: week two has been wheel spinning so far like most of week 1. I've had in person conversations with 30+ people in the last week about business and finding a local business sponsor. None of these people are locals, none of them knows a local in business, or even an expat in business, or had any idea what they would do if needed to find.
11:30 mircea_popescu "so... what do you do ?" "uhm i dunno man... we just live here. it's just a gig, it's not our life. wanna toke ?"
11:30 Mocky pretty much
11:31 mircea_popescu and then when i say there's a lot of supernumerary bodies...
11:34 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/10/tech-press-touting-latest-google-fritz-chip/ << Qntra - Tech "Press" Touting Latest Google Fritz Chip
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11:34 BingoBoingo Mocky: I take it there is a beach?
11:37 BingoBoingo <Mocky> the downtown area wraps the bay and is maybe 10 blocks deep. I guess you could call this 'a ring'. the rest of the city is basically concentric circles of rings b - f (actual street names) between which are neighborhoods of predominantly residential villas but with huge retail areas interspersed. << The rings sounds rather like 1900's-1950's Montevideo
11:38 mircea_popescu ~same planners im sure.
11:39 BingoBoingo Or same books
11:40 Mocky there are a bunch of beaches. some closes during turtle nesting season. spread around qatar. not sure how many close to Doha, but not like it's a big country
11:41 BingoBoingo But once shopping malls came here, future laying out went less deterministic. Still, very reliable street number system here.
11:41 Mocky the big thing is the party boats in west bay, wooden boats you can seen in like half the public pics of Doha skyline.
11:42 BingoBoingo Mocky: Well, do the locals go there? Take four of the girls you met and lounge around with the for a weekday evening. Good chance that might be how you meet locals.
11:42 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864068 << for extra lulz, BingoBoingo : i regged an acct on their www and submitted comment, and (spoiler) 'Submitted and awaiting moderation...' for hrs nao
11:42 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 15:34 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/tech-press-touting-latest-google-fritz-chip/ << Qntra - Tech "Press" Touting Latest Google Fritz Chip
11:42 Mocky dozens of party boats that head out for afternoon / evening party / swimming in the bay. thumping music in harbor at night
11:43 mircea_popescu Mocky it's possible they may have a prequal system, if not necessarily what BingoBoingo describes.
11:43 mircea_popescu "must be in right time at right place" sorta deal ; otherwise LOTS of people (and a LOT more than care to admit) spent 60s in california looking for the party.
11:44 Mocky right
11:45 BingoBoingo Anyway, fishing locals by social class is a thing.
11:47 BingoBoingo It seems pretty clear the 20 foot concrete fences are for privacy under the pretext of security
11:49 Mocky if there are local girls who dont' look exactly like this at all times in public, I havent seen: http://www.milenio.com/tendencias/Mujeres-Arabia-Saudita_MILIMA20160119_0193_8.jpg
11:50 mircea_popescu Mocky egypt is same way, except then in private it's topless party w/e.
11:50 BingoBoingo Hence the walls.
11:50 mircea_popescu i'm exaggerating, but anyways. very huge in/outdoors distinction
11:51 Mocky that seems to be the report from housekeepers. bored qataris with nothing to do but shisha, sex and kfc
11:51 * mircea_popescu talking to "party girl" at some point (ukr chick, too) about it : "don't you find it intolerable ?" "well... i think of it as a perpetual costume party in the street."
11:51 mircea_popescu she'd work winters in the (at the time) super-hottest-spot-on-earth, some expensive & pointless UAE resort development.
11:53 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863976 << this is very much the one great gain of multi-female household. you don't have to put the spawn in wot. imo worth weight in gold.
11:53 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:29 Mocky: but Qataris don't mix with the help, except the partying 20 somethings that don't want to work (reportedly) and they don't seem to be in their parents wot
11:54 mircea_popescu much like EVEN NOW the cost of disease still fails to exceed the benefit from sexuate reproduction, i suspect the same applies there : any other drawbacks a social system may have, the fact it dun force you to put woman's children in your wot is still enough to bring it above water.
11:55 * mircea_popescu has exactly 0 intention of entertaining the "but i am your son!" bs in any case. everyone's someone's son, and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628787
11:55 a111 Logged on 2017-03-17 14:22 asciilifeform: recall the anecdote re w. shockley's 'genius spermbank' calling feynman ? him: 'whatcha bothering ~me~ for, talk to my father'
11:55 BingoBoingo In other jailbreaks: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/profugo-de-carcel-central-asesinatos-17-rapinas-y-otras-atrocidades-20181019121442
11:57 mircea_popescu atrocidades lol.
11:57 asciilifeform 'Había ingresado hacía menos de una semana y estaba alojado en la celda siete del cuarto piso, junto a otros cinco internos. Se escapó luego de romper una reja, saltar desde varios metros de altura a un pozo de aire desde una altura de 12 metros, entrar a un depósito en donde encontró el uniforme de policía con el que se vistió para pasar desapercibido, y forzar una puerta...' << lol hollywood escape
11:58 * asciilifeform suspects instead orc escape, chum bribed guard , walked through open door
11:59 mircea_popescu who was that guy that had a number of children with the assortment of strippers hired to "guard" him back in the zone ?
11:59 asciilifeform usa iirc
11:59 mircea_popescu right.
11:59 mircea_popescu hence "the zone"
11:59 asciilifeform and hey, prior to that , who was it, luciano ? who had proper carpeted flat, writing desk, whores, in cell
11:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863977 << it's "gilded" btw.
11:59 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:30 Mocky: well not so 'guilded' for the bottom two classes, but at least they can leave now if they want
12:01 Mocky lol yup
12:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll believe the hollywood escape is possible. All most of the kids here eat is hollywood.
12:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not necessarily that it happened ; but you gotta understand the interaction between massively multiplayer ineptitude and internalized castration. prison sits there for years at a stretch without encountering an actual human being, 100% redditards spinning in their own internalized mental narratives, incapable of finding way out of paper bag. slowly decays, under imaginary maintenance, the sort that the aforement
12:07 mircea_popescu ioned tend to apply. "did that fix things ?" "i did what was in the book" "but did it work ?" "what do you want from me! what i do is just a gig! it's not my life!!!".
12:07 mircea_popescu then runs into actual human, suddenly the whole thing's closer to a drawing than anyone realised.
12:08 mircea_popescu or to use yest's terminology, after years of being maintained and populated by intelligent people, carcel central suddenly ran into a smart guy.
12:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly naively, i pictured that the clink is the 1 place that regularly frictions against actual-human folx. but whoknows, after N gens of reddit, this.
12:08 mircea_popescu nope.
12:09 mircea_popescu i'd say sqft of prison floor is actually slightly more deranged than sqft of starbucks
12:09 asciilifeform maybe moar deranged, but also moar decisive, neh ?
12:09 mircea_popescu this, incidentally, was ~always~ the case. during soviet times, i recall older guy saying to (friend) who worked at jail, "god fucking help you if an actual thief ever ends up in there".
12:10 mircea_popescu "he'll pick a lock and you'll be shot" "oh... i know ;(".
12:10 BingoBoingo And in still other local news, the Tranny reparations bill passed. Trannys born before 1975 with documentation showing "persecution under the dictatorship" (i.e. commie scum) will be getting 11.000 pesos monthly. The estimates are 150-180 of these tranny reparations will be made, and I am guessing everyone receiving them will be an FA party member.
12:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: capital-B thief ? or lower case
12:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform competency rather than connectivity is discussed.
12:11 asciilifeform aa
12:11 mircea_popescu locks, you knoiw ? what's in a lock
12:11 mircea_popescu especially if elite talent's stuck there boring with it.
12:12 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so they went to all this trouble to vote themselves a ~1mn annuity ?
12:12 mircea_popescu this FA business is very fucking inept.
12:13 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And it is inept in a way that is alienating the labor folk who "support" them
12:13 mircea_popescu ikr ?
12:13 mircea_popescu it's funny how the worst traits of pantsuitism export easiest.
12:13 BingoBoingo #MakeUruguayGreatAgain
12:14 mircea_popescu i'd say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687624 ; but then again the suspicion in my mind is that this is the sort of thing thatd happen anyway.
12:14 a111 Logged on 2017-07-20 19:52 asciilifeform: because unlearns faster than learns.
12:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: by all accts, typical escape in su proper was during conveyance . prisons had well developed systems of stoolies, capos, cells packed like sardine can, not much lock fiddling there.
12:14 mircea_popescu ie, guy who was gonna steal a cookie was gonna steal a cookie ; that in the one case where he stole it he saw some guy stealing from a jar in miami so "he was emboldened by the sight" is entirely uncausative. he'd have stolen it because a spider climbed the wall and similarily "inspired" his dumb ass.
12:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ro jail wasn't ever that full.
12:15 mircea_popescu well, not after 60s at any rate.
12:15 asciilifeform interesting, gotta wonder wainot
12:16 mircea_popescu maybe see above ? lol.
12:16 mircea_popescu anyway, what the dudes did have was a very strangely nordic, respectful and ellaborate ritual dealing with homosexuality.
12:16 mircea_popescu somehow managed to maintain bizarre taboos, such as "not using same dishes/flatware" across sexual orientation.
12:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: trad in ru also
12:16 asciilifeform 'spoon with hole'
12:16 mircea_popescu right, which is why i mention
12:17 mircea_popescu lmao. nah, wasn't agressive, strangely enough.
12:17 mircea_popescu almost as if picking factions in mmorpg.
12:17 BingoBoingo Anyways, Uruguay has one jailbreak story. Back in the dictatorship years a bunch of Commie scum (~150 NPCs) locked up in the future Punta Carretas Shopping tunneled their way out.
12:17 BingoBoingo Why deny it a second cooler story?
12:18 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so sad all the 70s dictatorships failed. argentina'd have been a way better place if the junta shot 10x more students and beat ~all of them.
12:18 mircea_popescu twice, for good measure.
12:19 BingoBoingo Fucking Uruguay's put themselves up for referendum! And let themselves lose!
12:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ar is still historical puzzler to me -- they sprayed and sprayed, and no end of roaches; what was the issue, notenuff spray ?
12:20 mircea_popescu nfi.
12:20 BingoBoingo The dictatorship in Uruguay legalized cannabis in the 1970's to neuter the hippies and by the 1980's they lost at the ballot box.
12:20 mircea_popescu i think the problem was they permitted buenos aires agglomeration
12:20 mircea_popescu should have gulag'd properly.
12:20 asciilifeform ( why wouldja stop at 10,000, lol, picture if stalin stopped )
12:20 BingoBoingo Complete ineptness in social engineering
12:21 asciilifeform argentina even comes with pretty great built-in siberia
12:21 asciilifeform build a kolyma in pampas...
12:21 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i think the problem was they permitted buenos aires agglomeration << The more time I spend here the more horrifying the idea of a Buenos Aires is.
12:22 BingoBoingo 10x the warm bodies, no thanks
12:22 BingoBoingo Not from this stock
12:23 mircea_popescu yeah. problem is stalin got lucky (in the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568 sense ) and siberia was "rich". pampas -- no such thing. so they didn't have the stepping stone, for it to occur to them, what to do with lefty students.
12:23 a111 Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
12:24 asciilifeform rly, entirely barren land ? no wood, no coal, no uranium, nuffin ?
12:24 asciilifeform anybody ever so much as bothered to drill an' see ?
12:24 mircea_popescu but yes, totally -- go to college, on entrance test basis, 100% free, luxurios accomodations even. however at the end of it, the bottom half straight to kolyma.
12:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: All the copper's in Chile on the other side of the mountains
12:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ancient aluvionary plain. dead as disco.
12:25 mircea_popescu not that they did drill that much. but then again neither did stalin, at first.
12:25 asciilifeform gulagistan wasn't exactly rich in surface minerals, either, most of the digs were fairly deep
12:25 mircea_popescu huge north-south difference in earth. a little like -- will find more bug residue on car windshield than back-facing spoilers.
12:25 asciilifeform and '9000' empty holes for erry strike
12:26 * asciilifeform can picture this
12:26 mircea_popescu but i'm not saying it shouldn't have been done or couldn't have been done just as well
12:26 mircea_popescu i'm saying they missed the convenient doping in the mental dielectric to allow the sparking of "this! what we do is THIS!"
12:27 asciilifeform esp. odd considering that orig spanish had 0 problem with gulag for the aboriginal extras
12:27 asciilifeform ( consider from where 'spanish gold' )
12:27 BingoBoingo Or in Uruguay's case non-prison genocide because they ate the wrong fellow
12:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863981 << one idea is, most of these4 people prolly have a gf, who is possibly attempting to "live independently". talk to whatever aspirational class girlies do there ? "real estate agent" is it in latam ; maybe "expensive shop 5th avenue of doha" ? thjat was ~it in bucharest.
12:28 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:33 Mocky: but there's exactly no one here who would use a coworks. you either came here for a job, or your dad can get you a job
12:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they did not read/understand colon-ial history.
12:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863986 << ahahahaha they think cowork is uni lab! roflmao.
12:29 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:36 Mocky: ie year one do this, year 2 do this...
12:30 mircea_popescu orcs have nfi how any man tools work, do they ?!
12:30 Mocky silicon valley emulator
12:31 mircea_popescu not AT ALL how sv works lol. this is MIT emulator, 30 years later and made out of shit&hay.
12:31 mircea_popescu anyway, turns out qatar suffers from inverse problem of white world -- OVERmanaged.
12:31 Mocky right, paul grahamluator
12:31 mircea_popescu isn't speciation an incredible fucking phenomenon ? how can such divides naturally occur ?
12:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863988 << fucking endearing. might as well document all of this for future lulz Mocky
12:32 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:37 Mocky: the events are: make your slide deck, public speaking workshops, have an app...
12:32 mircea_popescu i have a feeling all these discussions will be referenced lots and lots in future, i'd rather not have anything trashed later "for lack of evidence".
12:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863989 << no, because if they're there they're definitionally not worth meeting. exactly how you wouldn't try and hire for s.mg from the ro army ged class.
12:33 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:37 diana_coman: the point being to my mind to perhaps meet *there* some people worth meeting, not as much joining the track per se
12:33 Mocky that reminds me how overstaffed everything is here. jewelry store in side a hypermarket, 7 dudes behind the counter. not enough room to all stretch arms out. 3 guards. zero customers. in the mall no matter where you go, will be in sight of 2 security guards
12:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863993 << mother would be more useful, actually.
12:34 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:38 diana_coman: failing that, I guess 20 somethings partying at least have a local father, for whatever good that might be
12:35 mircea_popescu Mocky alf's method above, yes ? :D stollies & all.
12:37 Mocky i see a resemblance
12:38 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864004 << o fuck me, this is a SPLENDID idea
12:38 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:49 Mocky: next to bottom class is cheap workers who aren't permitted to get a drivers license: http://archive.is/Cg7uU
12:39 mircea_popescu if cr implemenrted this same thing, "no driving license for office drone / cal lcenter chickie / whatever pipedream "professional" class" they'd have 0 problems left to fix.
12:39 Mocky even in the grocery, a dozen security guards on duty at once. some walking some guarding
12:40 mircea_popescu "Financial Services Worker" ; "Barber Beautician" yup it's 100% directed at them too
12:40 Mocky ikr? that list is the old one too. the newer once is twice as long, includes "computer programmer"
12:40 mircea_popescu PERFECT omfg.
12:40 mircea_popescu if only qatar took over south tyrol, we'd have something.
12:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864009 << no, actually, sounds like "stupid daugthers". it's ~100% pantsuit list.
12:41 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 09:51 diana_coman: sounds like ol' world drivers/gardeners/maids/cooks/servants in general, no?
12:42 Mocky i get it now why ubers swarm like piranha, most need a taxi to get around
12:42 Mocky and also why so reasonably priced
12:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864022 << yes, they do. enemy -- in own head. postmodern times.
12:42 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 13:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863957 << were you able to discover against whom these were built? generally folx dun build castles when no enemy..
12:44 mircea_popescu which reminds me of a bon mot i put out 20 years ago. "rich dude" of the warren buffett/alexander abramov was building house. very large, somerwaht brutalistic, remarkably small windows. "why are the windows so small ?!" "he's trying to re-create his prison experience".
12:44 asciilifeform Mocky, mircea_popescu : the 'professions not given driver license' thing dun make much sense imho; why not much shorter list of who ~is~ given, 'titled baron', 'ceo of co listed on exchange', 'fuhrer', etc
12:44 Mocky fwiw, i quite like it. all comers don't need to look in my windows and knock on my door
12:44 mircea_popescu people's problems -- in their heads. it's the 3rd millenium after a ll.
12:44 asciilifeform why the massive list of 'milkman', 'muazin', etc
12:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "cause fuck you, that's why" ?
12:45 asciilifeform strikes me as 'enumerated bad'(tm) is all
12:45 Mocky fine grained sortage of foreigners
12:46 Mocky the list of permitted would be longer
12:46 asciilifeform iirc in asia they have ~same thing, but encoded differently, they simply charge 100k $ for 'car tax'
12:46 mircea_popescu maybe the idea is that since people will focus on the list, they'd rather them focus on the negative list and try to get out than focus on the positive and try to break the system.
12:46 asciilifeform could be
12:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform also a good idea. the girls know how many times i went "car license - 100k!"
12:47 asciilifeform iirc even in some sad old europistans they had this
12:47 asciilifeform ( norway ? )
12:48 asciilifeform picture, roads where transport actually moves...
12:48 mircea_popescu this "cars for all comers" toyota program of doom gotta cease.
12:49 Mocky traffic is only bad here during rush hour, and even then not as bad as rush hour in us cities. so long as you avoid the "10 minute lights"
12:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864040 << your favourite shoemaker used to have the police regularly beat these, and then detain them in workcamps.
12:49 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 13:48 asciilifeform: well not just any idlers, but folx not fitting into the structure. bums, pickpockets, the typical bipedal ferals of 'civilization'
12:49 mircea_popescu in retrospect is the #1 thing i like about him.
12:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: stalin pioneered
12:50 mircea_popescu aha.
12:52 asciilifeform re drivers -- why not, e.g., combine license and taxi medallion. wanna drive ? register as driver, buy medallion, dun have to carry passengers or paint livery on 'cab' if you dun feel like, but pony up.
12:54 asciilifeform usa is a peculiar horror, with little-to-no reliable public transport in most places; but pretty much errywhere else, could easily do as above
12:54 Mocky i'm sure the qataris in lambos would love that angle
12:55 asciilifeform what's an extra 100k on a 2mil lambo
12:55 Mocky "now you are officially a limo driver also" "wtf!?"
12:56 BingoBoingo I am sure there would be a lot less cars in Uruguay if motherfuckers weren't spending all day doing the Uber to pay for their cars
12:56 BingoBoingo But when living 3-5 generations to a household...
12:56 asciilifeform Mocky: afaik pilots already live with ~exactly this system
12:58 asciilifeform Mocky: herr baron himself aint 'limo driver' tho. even in nyc most medallion owners do not themselves drive cab.
12:58 asciilifeform they own fleets.
13:00 Mocky here, civilized person can't walk more than 3 blocks outside during midday. would be drenched in sweat. likewise can't stand for 15 minutes waiting for bus. it's get into a car with AC or smell like the riff raff
13:03 Mocky but the sun sets early without daylight savings time, and it cools quickly without the sun, so can walk outside after about 4:45
13:03 mircea_popescu training for mars, cosmonautski.
13:05 mircea_popescu Mocky another angle : find someone to sell btc to.
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13:06 Mocky localbitcoins shows one dude in country. and a couple nearby in SA, dubai etc.
13:06 Mocky one dude with one transaction
13:06 mircea_popescu talk about it to the dude and to all older local males you can find.
13:06 mircea_popescu and all the sons.
13:06 Mocky yeah, good idea
13:09 Mocky I can find local males, there are tons walking around malls in bright white robes with their families.
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13:10 Mocky keeping an eye on their females
13:14 BingoBoingo Mocky: One encouraging thing you have in Qatar that you don't in Uruguay is evidence these people have money somewhere, hence buying S-400's from Russia
13:15 Mocky yeah, lots of money
13:16 Mocky i'm meeting 25 more people tomorrow at some meetup thing at a mall with gondola rides thru an interior canal
13:16 mircea_popescu cool.
13:16 mircea_popescu anyway, make it a point of conversation. prolly will help dredge for you.
13:18 Mocky I talk to people about what I'm doing here and I'm not really all that good at talking to people and I only half know wtf i'm doing here. i mean in a way that I can explain to randos and have it make sense
13:18 mircea_popescu and don't be ashamed/shy away from saying things like "i'm a representative of the most serene republic of bitcoin, we're looking to build etc".
13:18 Mocky kind like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857552
13:18 a111 Logged on 2018-10-03 03:41 asciilifeform: ( pretty hard, imho, to even begin in language heathens might understand.. )
13:19 mircea_popescu it's weird, yers. but in the circumstances as i understand them, weird is 500x times better than trite, "hello sir, i r guampatambatam from my country india"
13:19 mircea_popescu Mocky what's the half you don't know ?
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13:20 Mocky that's about how i feel honestly when walking up to people and talking to them about this stuff
13:20 mircea_popescu "that" ?
13:21 Mocky "hello sir, i'm a nigerian prince with excellent business opportunities"
13:21 mircea_popescu um. but why ?
13:21 mircea_popescu "i'm a guy who knows a lot of shit you orcs don't."
13:22 mircea_popescu you literally came from the future, all those boyiush fantasies of "what if i landed in medieval blabla" are ~this.
13:22 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864258 - now I wonder what arab ghosts have left to wear
13:22 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 17:09 Mocky: I can find local males, there are tons walking around malls in bright white robes with their families.
13:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864252 << i guess i misspoke. what i meant was, "find someone who really really was desperately trying to buy btc but never could before, because insulated in the qtar shitland"
13:23 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 17:05 mircea_popescu: Mocky another angle : find someone to sell btc to.
13:25 Mocky hey, maybe if i actually was suave then could come up with how to explain the future to orcs, but i'll get more chances to try tomorrow in any case
13:26 mircea_popescu lol dun take it so hard. i dunno you're doing anything wrong, what.
13:27 BingoBoingo <Mocky> that's about how i feel honestly when walking up to people and talking to them about this stuff << "I am refugee from the US here to Make Great, Great Again"
13:28 Mocky it's weird because they way they look up to americans and western companies / universities, while also infidel
13:29 Mocky white man is on a pedestal here. americans the most
13:29 BingoBoingo They do that here too "Gringo colonizers" "Capitalist pigs"
13:39 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864270 >> I don't have everything sorted in my mind. I don't know yet what they need or perceive that they need. or how to position myself with respect to the microsoft/cisco/cornell they have respect so much.
13:39 a111 Logged on 2018-10-19 17:19 mircea_popescu: Mocky what's the half you don't know ?
13:48 Mocky "they have respect so much" damn, only 10 days and I'm already doing english like the indians/philipinos/nigerians/ethiopians/tanzanians/wakandans etc.
13:51 Mocky it's hard to understand people here, randomly selected thick accent each time. it's a relief to run into brit or irish
~ 16 minutes ~
14:07 mircea_popescu jesus. don't do that.
14:10 mircea_popescu in any case -- our objerction to the microshit/cisco/cornell pile is that they're NOT NEARLY WHITE ENOUGH, for our tastes.
14:11 mircea_popescu so communicate that, how hard can it be. "oh, cisco, so last century. white man has made even more cornell-ian cornell nao."
14:11 mircea_popescu on top of it being the exact situation in the field, it's also something easy enough to digest for orc mind.
14:12 Mocky ok
~ 38 minutes ~
14:51 asciilifeform in moar minor noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863610 is a++ display but pretty sad box, i forgot just how rubbishy these were, cramped kbd with coarse molded plastic feels like sumthing straight from toy store, touch pad thing is the size of 2 postage stamps, arm rest creaks...
14:51 a111 Logged on 2018-10-18 20:16 asciilifeform: this will be a cuntoo box, when i get around to redisking it
14:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo : it's pretty much exactly like those things sold in the sunday market in BingoBoingostan
14:59 BingoBoingo Except now it has a sweet screen and the ones in the market have mega sad screens
15:00 asciilifeform at least i can only with difficulty picture anybody wanting to steal it..
15:01 asciilifeform the 'qi' crystal has '90s-style viewing angle, too. coupla degrees left or right and it's ~half visible. i suppose for some applications this, too, is win
15:02 asciilifeform it's moar or less ideal box for expeditions into deep orcistan. but to work on it all day would be pretty painful.
15:03 BingoBoingo Dell made a 10" Latitude 'business netbook' which appears to be common in the online listings here (Marketing point was it is the robust netbook). I wonder if it will eat the Qi.
15:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: best as i can tell, nuffin but samsung n30, n150, lenovo s10-2 (but not s10-3, i opened one and no dice, cabling too short) will eat the thing.
15:04 asciilifeform test unit here is 'n150' .
15:04 * BingoBoingo might have to do some reading/lamenting there isn't an 11.6" version
15:05 asciilifeform the only mass prod / gettable one , is pq3qi-01 .
15:05 asciilifeform https://www.elinux.org/images/3/3f/PQ3QI-01.pdf << datashit. (sorry , pdfolade )
15:05 asciilifeform 235 x 143 mm .
15:06 BingoBoingo I tried doing some digging and also found a still smaller 7" version
15:07 asciilifeform extinct afaik
15:19 asciilifeform i'd buy a troo b&w crystal in a heartbeat, but nobody afaik ever made'em in usable ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859393 ) or near, res, or in such a way that'd electrically fit any available box
15:19 a111 Logged on 2018-10-08 14:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859362 << 16 (plain, no bolds) x 80 == 1280 min. horiz. pixels needed for this.
~ 1 hours 45 minutes ~
17:05 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=59 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 08/25/2018
~ 22 minutes ~
17:27 BingoBoingo OMG reading summarizing back in time
17:27 asciilifeform whatever happend to http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com btw
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17:27 asciilifeform imho it was great
17:33 billymg trinque: update on progress: after several nights of heavy drinking i managed to also catch a cold. working on mp-wp setup this afternoon (at reduced capacity) and was able to press and get it to http://161.0.121.194
17:33 billymg i also added the libmcrypt ebuild here http://161.0.121.194/downloads/libmcrypt.ebuild.tar.gz
17:33 billymg which allows for emerging without upgrading portage to the gpg2 requiring version
17:34 billymg just need to extract into /usr/local/portage to use
17:34 BingoBoingo I get a tonsilitis, billymg gets a cold... Under the two times coincidence rule if one more person gets sick this week, gotta call it biowarfare
17:35 billymg lol not just us, others in my meat-wot as well
17:35 billymg with whom i did not come in contact, otherwise would go without saying
17:40 Mocky my tonsils have felt swolen for past 4 hours but im not saying it out loud so it wont be real
17:40 Mocky but i think it's because my AC has been our for 6 hrs, cuz totally
17:41 BingoBoingo The Peruana has the sore throat deal about a month ago, but she sought medical attention as soon as she registered a fever, because nurse has to get that work note to show the hospital
17:42 Mocky and i mean it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm, back in states it's 9-5 strictly, but man pushing up on 1am and they still working and not seeing signals of competence...
17:42 BingoBoingo Mocky: It could also be that you hit the 2 week mark and the local viruses caught up to your presence
17:43 Mocky i would say that local virii stand no chance against me but that would jinx it
17:49 BingoBoingo And now that Uruguay passed tranny reparations, they can turn to the real scourge: "Gobierno quiere prohibir que se cruce la calle mirando el celular"
~ 35 minutes ~
18:24 Mocky my AC compressor on the roof had a problem. now these clowns didn't fix it but did manage to break the indoor fan and circuit board as well. and i gotta get up in 6 hours for this meet and greet. gonna be a sweaty night
18:30 BingoBoingo Godspeed Mocky
18:39 mircea_popescu <billymg> trinque: update on progress: after several nights of heavy drinking i managed to also catch a cold. <<< bwahahah ok this was pretty lulzy.
18:41 mircea_popescu "it's cool that 3 dudes will show up to fix your ac at 11pm ; it's sad that they're not particularily qualified to fix anytrhing, or even be indoors, really..."
18:41 mircea_popescu you know, if they just uber'd ows over to your house, the us could also do 11pm
18:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i had one of these not long ago !
18:52 asciilifeform srsly! d00d showed up to fix leaking condensate drain, took 3 (!) trips to... not fix anyffing, ceiling drip, drip
18:52 asciilifeform finally vendor sends an actual tech, who fixes and takes pics, then reveals 'oh him? he was a fraud'
18:53 asciilifeform and come to think of it, tech #1 did look rather like a 'ows' ...
18:53 mircea_popescu heh
18:57 * BingoBoingo to celebrate first visual tonsil regression with early beachwalk (They put the lifeguard huts up this week). Brb, voy a ver mis olas.
~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~
20:01 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, panzers! zoolag going down for ~30min for test of experimental patch, in ~10m
~ 1 hours 15 minutes ~
21:17 BingoBoingo In other grotesque perversions: http://archive.is/et1V4
21:23 BingoBoingo With a higher body count: http://archive.is/dSzNm
~ 20 minutes ~
21:44 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf i found today that your keccak-vdiff is unable to eat a 40MB file ( dies politely with stack overflow )
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21:44 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
21:45 mircea_popescu this is not good.
21:45 asciilifeform it's a fairly simple fix, as i understand, gotta up the max stack
21:46 asciilifeform but , importantly, will have to arrive at a max, if using stack.
21:46 asciilifeform there is not a magical way out of this on linux, sadly.
21:47 asciilifeform meanwhile: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html
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21:47 asciilifeform ( and yes mod6 it will have to be reground, but it experimental patch, so this is not avoidable at any rate )
21:48 asciilifeform ( for the impatient : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/snap_546400.txt )
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21:51 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html into 'experiment' tree.
21:51 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
21:53 asciilifeform adventurous souls who can spare ~hour of CPU, are invited to shit out own snapshot, and diff w/ above.
21:53 asciilifeform errybody oughta see exactly ~same~ output.
21:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform should prolly go in the config file o.O
21:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: imho yes
21:54 asciilifeform iirc can even be set machinewide, but i fughet how
21:54 mircea_popescu i guess so. there were some other items scattered about re what should go in the config file for vtron
21:57 asciilifeform there is of course another method, keccak could use my mmap thing
21:57 asciilifeform ( once i finally shit out the cleaned/reground/keccakized genesis thereof, it's near in the conveyor )
21:57 asciilifeform bonus, will run substantially faster.
21:58 asciilifeform really mmap is the champ for disk i/o on unixlikes.
22:04 mircea_popescu not a bad idea, at that.
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