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00:04 asciilifeform achtung, panzers ! zoolag is nao back in service.
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00:57 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-21#1864601 >> there are some important things that are going to be brought to life by the republic and sure as shit they aren't gonna wait for Qatar to buy in. rather, if the outward appearance is correct and there are men of valor here who can recognize the opportunity then this will be their chance to play host to some business and profit exactly to the degree of their continued valor and foresight and not one riyal more
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00:57 a111 Logged on 2018-10-21 21:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864468 << you're very much not there to sell anything ; you realise this, do you ?
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01:55 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=61 << Bimbo.Club - For posterity
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03:02 bvt !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 1
03:02 lobbesbot bvt: Sent 8 hours and 57 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/djVz4/?raw=true
03:02 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/x40zC/?raw=true
03:03 bvt !!v 314FFA01ECAE3BF4FD9863521D78063D3329D513BBF082B11172B54A17B8A7B3
03:03 deedbot bvt paid BingoBoingo invoice 1
03:03 bvt BingoBoingo: ty
03:14 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=62 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 08/23/2018
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05:49 jurov !!v 68CE9AA8A07E2E58149ED554C1F66977CA4247BEED4B84D1E53EAC44DC33C710
05:58 jurov !!v D6501B76142629F8BA195E6D012B636FFA3ECE2C2D2EAE7C9BB2719A55238146
05:58 deedbot jurov paid BingoBoingo invoice 2
06:00 jurov ^^ the first try was !!pay BingoBoingo 2
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06:00 jurov which caused mild confusion as i don't have so much on the acct and deedbot said nothing
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08:17 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1864612 << you may laugh, but at work we have a database access thingy that we have to use with Internet Explorer, because it doesn't work right when using other programs (the thing is a Microshit product)
08:17 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 00:01 asciilifeform: ( what's next, internet exploder comes back.. )
08:22 deedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07d-klausenburg.html << The Tar Pit - Klausenburg, et alia
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09:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1864635 >> 'Romanian museum keepers are, with very, very, very few exceptions, a bunch of fucking orcs' >> verily. asciilifeform was in timis art gallery, and they offered tickets for extra penny 'take pictures', i gave'em. then i pull out camera, buncha old biddies immediately appear out of nowhere, like swarm of rats, stand in front of my lens like matrosov in front of german mg nest. finally i pul
09:58 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 12:22 deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07d-klausenburg.html << The Tar Pit - Klausenburg, et alia
09:58 asciilifeform l the hand-written (!) ticket from pocket, wave at'em, they scatter.
10:08 asciilifeform !Q later tell trinque is http://trinque.org/2018/07/06/cuntoo-bootstrapper-preview/ still most recent cuntoo ? i got errything ready to bake cuntoo lappy ( the oddball lcd box; old ssd from zoolag ) ; should proceed or wait for update ? ty
10:08 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
10:11 BingoBoingo bvt: Thank you, let me now if you have any questions along the way.
10:11 BingoBoingo !!ledger
10:11 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Aoxgu/?raw=true
10:14 BingoBoingo jurov: Can confirm that the "!!pay BingoBoingo 2" did not go through. Made a note to look out for it if it does pop up in my ledger at some point.
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11:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2018/10/tech-press-touting-latest-google-fritz-chip/#comment-119671
11:09 asciilifeform the 'blue wall of heathendom silence' breaks!111 :
11:09 asciilifeform 'Register reader Stanislav writes in to inform us that the tech might not be so new and cutting edge, after all. In fact, he points to an analysis he wrote back in June detailing a similar set up on-chip security features that were going into Chromebooks'
11:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Win!
11:17 mircea_popescu heh.
11:18 mircea_popescu IT WORKS IF YOU WORK IT!!!
11:20 asciilifeform 'even broom fires once'
11:20 * asciilifeform has been cycling the bolt and pulling trigger on that broom for yrs... this is 1st afaik round that fired
11:23 mircea_popescu this is rank nonsense. it fires almost every time. then Mommy comes along and generally spirits the young cunt away.
11:23 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/metla.jpg << oblig
11:23 mircea_popescu but this is ABSOLUTELY no reason to stop talking to girlies.
11:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: possibly
11:25 * asciilifeform expects that piece will be replaced with 'the heavy cost of japanese toilets' or sumsuch , shortly..
11:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864476 << this entire discussion is going kinda backwards. the idea is to buy ourselves some cheap qataris, not to sell them anything.
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11:26 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 18:34 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't think so; I think they would pay *you* that 500k if you manage to convince them that you are worth that for them
11:26 mircea_popescu who are they anyway ? human tech made for humans.
11:27 asciilifeform i had nfi there were 'cheap qataris'
11:27 asciilifeform iirc place consists of 100k barons and ~3mil india derps
11:27 mircea_popescu so a dozen of them barons then.
11:31 * asciilifeform does not know. so far knows only what Mocky ferreted out.
11:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864487 << hey, i do it...
11:32 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 18:40 Mocky: came across like simpleton management, decree whatever occurs to you, dilbert-esque pointy haired manager on steroids
11:32 mircea_popescu simpleton management best management (provided you have the requisite simpletons).
11:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864490 << because etsy morons, trying to do the egyptian "fat white woman" (see ) thing except "Better". so they "live independently" as #metoo dumbcunts.
11:35 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 18:41 diana_coman: so why are those people starting doggy rescue/care biznis in qatar of all places?
11:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852974 << item.
11:36 a111 Logged on 2018-09-23 16:08 mircea_popescu: the ones who won out of the "go to the center of businessmen, pay for dialup modem by hour, write love letters to fat white women, get them to come over with money, build house at euro standards for tourist trade" lottery.
11:36 mircea_popescu though i thought i had much older description of same thing. but anyways.
11:38 mircea_popescu all the 30something should-have-been-in-chains femcrowd can think of these days is "animal rescue center". this generation's hairdressing salon, because it's literally the same biologically material reproduced across the decade gap.
11:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: btw what's the intended profit model for those ? fat-rendering ?
11:40 mircea_popescu what was the profit model for the addidas-clad gopnic wife-and-girlfirned's "beauty parlor" ?
11:40 asciilifeform ... cash laundry ?
11:40 mircea_popescu "well... it'll attract younger dumb cunts just like me, you can fuck them in the back. and it'll keep me busye enough to shut the fuck up"
11:40 mircea_popescu no gopnik ever said "how about you actually run a harem then", and so...
11:43 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1864658 -> ah, I was answering Stan there, not implying Mocky is there to sell anything
11:43 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 15:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864476 << this entire discussion is going kinda backwards. the idea is to buy ourselves some cheap qataris, not to sell them anything.
11:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i thought harem were sop in arabistan tho
11:44 mircea_popescu yeah... just got that vibe
11:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently special snowflake is sop in whitewomanistan, tho. i dunno, i care but slightly.
11:44 asciilifeform just how many 'white snowflakes' in qatar
11:45 mircea_popescu but there's a lengthy and well documented history of white woman being so far removed from the whip and restraint, she will stubornly do the -ev dumbthing "because it doesn't matter anyway" "i have my own oppinions and experiences" etc.
11:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suspect all the females he yet spoke with.
11:47 asciilifeform ( so far from Mocky's description, picture seems like entire place consists of -- handful of natives, owning the petropipe, and much larger set of gastarbeiters servicing pipe + palaces + plumbing etc.; 0 agriculture, 0 industry, pipe economy, possibly ~0 lumpens, quite unlike mircea_popescu's egypt )
11:47 mircea_popescu well egypt is the larger arab state. qatar (with brunei and whatnot, oman) the smallest. so yes.
11:48 diana_coman in other news from the smg comms front: the rsa pack/unpack turned a bit nastier than the nice serpent because (of course!) of the C element; basically the rsa operations are in C (mpi mess) while the oaep is in Ada and the current eucrypt wrapper is fine but doing the ugly dance of C to Ada *and back*; my solution to this is to decree that there will be only ONE direction of calls namely from Ada to C (because Ada is the main, desired par
11:48 diana_coman t in there)
11:48 mircea_popescu we'll have to adaize rsa, for srs.
11:49 * asciilifeform back on that track, incidentally, shelved pretty much errything else
11:49 diana_coman yes, but preparing for that: wrappers in C for the methods so they don't export "mpi" shit but simply octets
11:49 diana_coman and then Ada will call those
11:49 asciilifeform i dunno that mine will ever be fast enuff for eulora without asm inline tho
11:49 diana_coman and everything will be called from Ada only, not the other way around
11:50 diana_coman but because of all this it's taking still a bit more time to get out the next chapter
11:51 diana_coman will probably cut it in 2 parts two, namely the wrappers first and then the whole big .vpatch bringing in everything needed (mpi, keccak, oaep-but-this-time-from-ada-only)
11:51 asciilifeform tho nao that i think about it, i could be wrong :
11:51 asciilifeform hrm where is that protocol page
11:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform good.
11:53 diana_coman mircea_popescu, once this is in place, it should be relatively painless to swap at a later stage (whenever available) the C rsa/mpi for an Ada implementation since it's basically kept well separate
11:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: precisely what length is the rsa key currently ?
11:53 mircea_popescu yeah.
11:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean for eu ?
11:53 asciilifeform yes
11:53 diana_coman asciilifeform, 490 octets
11:53 asciilifeform 3920 bit ?
11:53 mircea_popescu shorter than "general" format. eu uses 490byte, "we" use 512. that'd be the upper bound.
11:54 diana_coman asciilifeform, for eulora, yes
11:54 mircea_popescu yes 3920. http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#selection-555.55-555.59
11:55 asciilifeform got it, ty
11:56 asciilifeform soo from my pov it's still a 4096bit key ( my rsa worx strictly on powers of 2 )
11:56 mircea_popescu but imo, if you're going to put some kind of limit on it... make it 512
11:56 mircea_popescu right
11:58 asciilifeform my current best 4096bit modexp is still 22 sec. on the 'standard' test iron. but with barrett ( next ch. ) cuts down to ~5sec iirc; and with asm, hypothetically <1s
11:58 asciilifeform then again if rsa is only used to register new user, even the current proggy is conceivably fast enuff
11:58 mircea_popescu i agree.
11:59 mircea_popescu kinda built around all this.
12:00 asciilifeform most of asciilifeform's arithmatical massage is so that key ~gen~ can be carried out on human, rather than geologic, timescale
12:01 mircea_popescu o hai Mocky
12:02 mircea_popescu !!up Mocky
12:02 deedbot Mocky voiced for 30 minutes.
12:03 Mocky greetings
12:03 asciilifeform ( btw for thread-completeness i gotta point out that asciilifeform spends most time on a rather slow box, that 22 is actually a 10 on recent x86 iron )
12:03 asciilifeform ohai Mocky
12:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864492 << it's the fashionable thing, whatever.
12:05 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 18:41 asciilifeform: diana_coman: ikr? it's the last thing i'd think of pitching to dar-al-islam
12:06 diana_coman I don't really see a problem from eulora's pov with 22 secs for rsa encrypt - it's not for in-game server-client communications so...
12:07 asciilifeform diana_coman: conceivably could get expensive if derps start spamming crapola user regs
12:07 mircea_popescu precisely why we put serpent in there, so alf can go pig wild with his intricate rsaing :D
12:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's why it's "best effort" anyway.
12:07 mircea_popescu we already have a process whereby i can create an acct ; in the future i just won't care to use it for joe random is all.
12:07 asciilifeform rright but if it takes 22 sec to distinguish man from pig, and pig comes in at 10^7 packets/sec...
12:07 diana_coman re fashionable things - yes, quite; my thought there was that hmmm, those are therefore not exactly much of any sort of business people; etsy-style exactly, yes
12:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform can just come in here, distinguish self.
12:08 asciilifeform that'd work
12:08 mircea_popescu the onus for anon to distinguish SELF from pig is on the anon in question.
12:08 mircea_popescu never on me jaysus.
12:08 mircea_popescu i think i even linked a fetlife discussion re this. "bitch, YOU are doing the work to see if you'd fit in my harem, not i. wtf!"
12:08 asciilifeform the box still gotta eat an rsa thing to establish 1st session, neh
12:08 asciilifeform tho hm i get it
12:09 asciilifeform can simply look up the expected key in curated db, prior to modexp
12:09 asciilifeform so yea slow rsa would in principle work even today.
12:10 diana_coman how's the AC, Mocky ?
12:12 Mocky still broke, but it still isnt' a problem. fan blows on me and I sleep fine. 3 day of rain in the dessert. got soaked today waiting for taxi for 30 minutes during downpour which stopped the moment i got in the cab
12:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864509 << this is a dubious proposition, seeing how you don't have the cultural finesse to resolve disputes between orcs.
12:12 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 18:47 Mocky: Being as the requirement for standard LLC is 51% Qatari ownership, this new info suggests to me that having two locals who split the 51% may be the way to go. They can still close it down but not at the whim of a single person.
12:14 Mocky I still have 4 leads to finish chasing down re not needing a Qatari to form a company. not necessarily promising leads but still need to get to the truth of them
12:14 mircea_popescu defo.
12:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, diana_coman : '6.3. The server will issue type 5.2 messages encrypted to the corresponding client RSA key in response to any client messages for as long as it doesn't have a preferred client Serpent key set. The client is responsible for either maintaining or explicitly burning ~all~ of these, and will pay for them in any case' means that if a serpent key is currently set, serv won't issue another unless client explic
12:18 asciilifeform itly extinguishes the old ?
12:21 mircea_popescu can convey serpent keys over serpent too.
12:21 asciilifeform right
12:22 asciilifeform so then as i understand , rsa 'ddos' is not possible, i.e. 'allcomer' cannot force serv to perform a modexp simply by asking.
12:23 mircea_popescu right.
12:23 asciilifeform or rather, it can only be done in the (short) interval between the registration of new user's rsa pub, and his 1st session
12:23 asciilifeform or if somehow user extinguishes all of his serpent keys without immediately transmitting a replacement
12:24 mircea_popescu i'm really not that concerned with it.
12:24 asciilifeform ( it is not currently obvious to me from the spec that this is not a legal op )
12:24 mircea_popescu there's mechanisms in place, forget abvout it.
12:24 * asciilifeform believes
12:25 asciilifeform and yea, makes sense, $spec is for ~client~, deliberately does not detail how spam control, i presume it's an in-house matter.
12:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864516 << it is a fact that arab man makes the best friend ; wanna-be humans (like say russkis) manage to emulate this inb software, but usually takes lengthy prison stint together / trench time / whatever such exceptional circumstance. otherwise... rare.
12:26 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 18:50 diana_coman: Mocky, I wonder though how much those burnt partners actually catered to the qatari partner as an ongoing relationship rather than just "he gives money for my biznis" (and how the hell is a charity a business, ugh)
12:27 mircea_popescu whereas #metoo-level tard is very "wordsmith" in her own mind, names and labesl and magic incantations all have incredible power and how would the world dare not conform! SHE WANTS A BETTER WORLD DID NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS.
12:28 mircea_popescu so i can readily see how and why this'd break down, and especially i can see why they'd register the specific complaint in the specific terminology with mocky. who knows, maybe bitcoin was made for their mula's stupid cunt, and maybe the republic is just pantsuitism++. maybe i sent mocky there to finallty right all "wrongs" ?
12:28 mircea_popescu jesusmocky.
12:28 asciilifeform lol!
12:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864523 << is it still the 90s ? "rolex" still counts for "Flashy" somewhere ?
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12:30 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 18:53 Mocky: asciilifeform, this I haven't heard, but flashy stuff like rolex, lambos, bentleys I have heard
12:30 * mircea_popescu has not worn wristwatch in like decade+ now... who still does ? why would they ?
12:31 Mocky well when everyone wears the exact same white robes everyday, a watch is pretty much only place on the body for bling
12:31 mircea_popescu bitch srsly need to tell time for some reason, because wherever they're going ain't gonna just wait till they get there anyway or what is it, no woman in a loose fitted top about to point out "hey, we should get going if we're ever going to make X" ?
12:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if pete_dushenski was to be believed, rolex per se is 100% chump market item in recent yrs, strictly for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852974 people
12:31 a111 Logged on 2018-09-23 16:08 mircea_popescu: the ones who won out of the "go to the center of businessmen, pay for dialup modem by hour, write love letters to fat white women, get them to come over with money, build house at euro standards for tourist trade" lottery.
12:32 mircea_popescu Mocky maybe you should start a crown trend.
12:32 Mocky i'm not wise to the ways of watches, wouldn't recognize a rolex. "shiny watch" works for my description
12:32 mircea_popescu nothing says "king of the world" quite like wearing 20lbs of lightning rod on head.
12:32 Mocky i'd fucking rock a crown
12:32 asciilifeform heat sink!111
12:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform except it sinks the wrong way lmao
12:33 mircea_popescu heat shitfountain morelike it.
12:33 asciilifeform well you stick fan on it, so it sinks 'right way', neh
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12:33 mircea_popescu Mocky srsly now, these uber-elaborate heatsink-like items made to wear on head, out of 22 carat gold... could be a trent.
12:33 asciilifeform ( + peltier!11 )
12:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform plus if it's a nice looking hedgehog could headbutt someone for max payne.
12:34 asciilifeform easily, with the red-hot biznis end
12:34 asciilifeform tschsssss.
12:34 mircea_popescu hey, disinfects as it wounds.
12:34 Mocky lol
12:34 asciilifeform put brand on it.
12:35 mircea_popescu ahaha epic.
12:36 Mocky https://christopherpierznik.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/ll-cool-j.jpg
12:37 asciilifeform re 'rolex' etc -- i've only ever seen'em on (usually) arab orcs ~in usa~ . they dun actually look at the time, lol, i suspect they dun even set the thing, it's strictly part of 'gentleman's uniform', by their lights, like sword used to be
12:37 Mocky *lots* of jewelry stores here with shiny watches
12:39 asciilifeform there was an old mircea_popescu piece with gypsies living in abandoned tunnels, where they had a desk fulla old sov-era phones, with 0 wiring, strictly for 'rolexism'
12:39 Mocky to my eyes, uniform includes shiny watch and a landrover, or lexus suv (with which to intimidate slave labor on the roadway)
12:40 Mocky vehicle size seems a status symbol. "if a bigger one is speeding up from behind, get out of the way!"
12:41 Mocky also, that could be good advice in general
12:43 mircea_popescu it's a wonder they don't drive busses,
12:43 mircea_popescu fuck, put some hinges on old airbus at the wings, drive THAT. not only big but also fucken tall! and it can flap its wings!
12:45 BingoBoingo <Mocky> still broke, but it still isnt' a problem. fan blows on me and I sleep fine. 3 day of rain in the dessert. got soaked today waiting for taxi for 30 minutes during downpour which stopped the moment i got in the cab << The incredible similarities to Uruguay
12:47 Mocky if I had my ford expedition here, I'd be the king of the road. land rovers are a good bit smaller
12:48 BingoBoingo There's landrovers here too, and the doinky commercial trucks... No big rigs here
12:48 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1864770 << It's obvious they haven't caught up to pete_dushenski yet
12:48 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 16:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864523 << is it still the 90s ? "rolex" still counts for "Flashy" somewhere ?
12:49 Mocky all the cars here are normal models you'd find in the us, except there are a few toyota models I've never heard of: "fortuner" is one
12:49 Mocky and some vw looking toyota busses
12:50 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it wouldn't surprise me if 'rolex watch' is eventually displaced by a wrist-strapped gold brick stamped with word 'rolex' or some other such substitute. sorta how gentleman swords were replaced with jewel-encrusted lolsticks prior to vanishing entirely
12:50 Mocky unlike london where I coudn't place any cars
12:50 BingoBoingo Ah, no Chinese cars?
12:50 Mocky asciilifeform, I was told they have gold brick atms here
12:50 asciilifeform aha! so yes like dubai
12:51 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1864784 << Don't forget to shave and lube head for good thermal contact
12:51 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 16:33 asciilifeform: well you stick fan on it, so it sinks 'right way', neh
12:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why wouldja expect chinese cars in a place where only moneyed folx and their liveried servants get driver license
12:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the jewel-encrusted lolsticks still packed some bite. it's just they packed an urban bite.
12:51 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well what are the Uber taxi-ists going to drive?
12:52 mircea_popescu problem was very much "what does useless son say to city guard" "oh, it's for decor" "not for stabbing other cicisbeos ?" "well... not usually..."
12:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i.e. for whacking uppity lackey, rather than other sword ?
12:52 mircea_popescu for whacking other guy encountered unexpectedly under moonlight
12:52 mircea_popescu oh! juliet! oh romeo! what did you say bitch ?!
12:53 asciilifeform rright but what if other-guy pulls an actual sword
12:53 asciilifeform ( or brace o'pistols )
12:53 mircea_popescu but getting back to the hinged-wing airbus thread : you could also add a modified horn... some hydraulics...
12:53 mircea_popescu i suspect if you drove that on the highway at night most people would just park the car and go out
12:54 mircea_popescu wander into the wilderness
12:54 mircea_popescu muttering "i saw some things man... i can't tell anyone the things i saw..."
12:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dun forget the blinker-siren
12:54 asciilifeform ( no moneyed orcmobile is complete without blinker-siren )
12:54 mircea_popescu police picking them up, you know, "you ok sr ?" "i'm fine. i'm fine. it's ok." "did you see a huge clucking airplane coming behind you flapping its wings, hopping up and down and clucking ?!"
12:55 asciilifeform !#s ekranoplan
12:55 a111 3 results for "ekranoplan", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ekranoplan
12:55 asciilifeform ^ ideal vehicle for this
12:55 mircea_popescu top keks to be had.
12:55 asciilifeform ( late-su made ~exactly mircea_popescu's winged-bus thing )
12:56 mircea_popescu heh.
12:56 asciilifeform went ~4 metres height .
12:57 asciilifeform iirc was conceived as a sea-going thing, but wai not adapt to modern market!11
12:58 mircea_popescu find the spruce goose in the hangar somewhere while at it, whainot
12:58 asciilifeform pretty sure it's still where h. hughes parked it, lol
13:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864531 << usg influence. ie precisely what must be uprooted.
13:05 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 19:03 Mocky: bitcoin is also illegal for banks to exchange in. which apparently some wanted to do but now central bank authority has banned
13:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864532 << hey wd, you're on the right track exactly.
13:05 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 19:10 Mocky: re meeting Qataris, I found that 30-something aged men interested in business hang out at certain places on a daily basis. if you go and hang there and get to know them, if they like you they may invite you to majalis. which is the regular practice of closing off half of the home from women in the evening and doing man cave shit
13:06 mircea_popescu tell them about bdsm an' you've got the whole set-up.
13:06 asciilifeform possibly naively, i thought ~all~ centralbanks hate btc, (e.g. cn's), not merely usg-muppet ones ?
13:07 Mocky "volatility" "use in malware attacks" stated reasons
13:07 asciilifeform lol!
13:08 mircea_popescu this guy tho... you've been there two weeks, you already picked up the scent ? not bad.
13:08 mircea_popescu i dunno who told you to spend your life on fucking java of all things.
13:08 Mocky mircea_popescu, yeah next chapter titled "depeche mode at the four seasons"
13:08 mircea_popescu keks
13:09 asciilifeform java?!
13:09 asciilifeform Mocky you're an escapee from java salt mine ?!
13:09 Mocky i've been doing java for 20 years
13:09 * asciilifeform takes off hat
13:09 mircea_popescu i am not kidding -- go to their house, explain what bdsm is, "looky what this guy i know does with the white women ~he owns~". they'll listen to that in preference of fucking playstation.
13:10 Mocky i don't know shit about bdsm
13:10 mircea_popescu hey, you've been hanging out in there / reading trilema, what did you think that class was for ?
13:10 mircea_popescu LA CE IMI SERVESTE MIE RADICALURILE ?!?!?!
13:10 mircea_popescu just in case you end up in qatar, that's what.
13:11 Mocky maybe if i had couple girls to polish the dust off my crown as i walk from the bar to the pool...
13:11 mircea_popescu nah, too much pressure. your line is "this guy i know".
13:11 mircea_popescu you don't smell like "this guy i am". not yet at any rate, if ever at all.
13:12 Mocky pretty sure I smell like old married guy, lol
13:12 mircea_popescu ikr.
13:12 mircea_popescu they can relate to that :)
13:13 mircea_popescu which is how all woods are cut, you understand. a metal bit with an edge attached to a wooden bit they can relate to.
13:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, "all". but because all are trying to "not get fired by buying ibm" and their idea of "ibm" is http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-121.0-125.255 ; and THAT is specifically what must be uprooted.
13:16 mircea_popescu the idea that the us has anything meaningful or important to say to the world belongs exactly same place microsoft belongs, and exactly for the same reason.
13:17 mircea_popescu and this goes the full spectrum, from furries&trannies to ows&bernie sandals to "internet security" to bridgebuilding "technologies" and other haliburtons.
13:17 asciilifeform soo per this model, cn central bank fatwas btc because -- even there -- miami dreamers ?
13:17 mircea_popescu shut the shit down.
13:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes.
13:17 asciilifeform ( and not because it interferes with their attempt to run usg-style printing press ..? )
13:17 mircea_popescu a different kind -- impersonal, they don't want to "Escape to there", but still.
13:19 asciilifeform plox to expand for enlightenment -- how does 'impersonal miami' work
13:20 asciilifeform ( re 'furries & trannies' -- there is a hilarious wankfest going, somebody spread rumour that trump is plotting to cancel, somehow, Official recognition of trannieism, all sortsa usual suspects are busy filling their pants as we speak )
13:24 Mocky oh hey, the 3 indians return with a new ac unit 8:30pm. now arguing with my nigerian host over having brought a different brand
13:24 Mocky this should be fun
13:25 Mocky considering that they are too short to reach the unit and put ladder on my bed to reach the install point!
13:25 Mocky and upgrade from the chair they used the first time
13:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not rumor afaik.
13:27 asciilifeform oh ha
13:28 asciilifeform sounds like the making of a 3ring circus then
13:28 mircea_popescu he's rehauling the "obamacare" health bs. which he was fucking voted in to do. snipping all sorts of blue nonsense in the paybook, including surgery for disphorists.
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13:28 asciilifeform lol i actually had nfi that were in there
13:28 mircea_popescu why the fuck do you think the hot air circus even exists?
13:29 mircea_popescu all the redditards are doing that WHILE AT WORK. if the govt didn't pay peons to blue, whod the fuck would ?
13:29 mircea_popescu not like anyone genuninely believes i nthe crap.
13:29 mircea_popescu the pantsuited hilarity herself both knew and said as much, their entire line during elections is "this pays better". and their constant fretful midging on their own "sikrit" comms was all about hiow "apparently people don't care being paid to be stupid nets them slightly more than what they could get on own not being stupid".
13:33 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf in bolix lulz : loox like dks relisted that 'ivory' for 3rd time nao... apparently not so many eager-worth-of-$5k archaeologists any moar
13:33 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
13:33 Mocky lol they promised "samsung AC" but brought brandless chinesium claiming "this is the expensive one"
13:34 BingoBoingo Is it a Panavox?
13:34 asciilifeform Mocky: BingoBoingostan seemed to be ~solid samsung all over
13:34 Mocky "AR General Cool" lol
13:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: panavox, lol! 'durasell'
13:35 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-13#716070 << subj )
13:35 a111 Logged on 2014-06-13 01:21 asciilifeform: 'durasell' is a chinese battery (with correct colour scheme) sold at 'dollar stores'
13:35 asciilifeform i've also encountered 'parasonic' and similar lulz
13:35 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah, only the fancy stuff is Samsung. Everything else Panavox or weird Euro brands that opted out of the 120v nonsense.
13:36 Mocky i feel bad for my host, trying to get my ac fixed while dealing with these clowns, and thinks i'm just being gracious by saying it's not been bothering me
13:36 * BingoBoingo rarity in Uruguay, only Panavox product is the fridge
13:41 Mocky in other observations, social pantsuits stand out like a sore thumb here. they can't stomach the "racism" "classism" "mistreatment" "conditions for local women". it's a constant irritant to them, they can't figure out how anyone here sleeps at night being party to such things
13:42 Mocky they live in constant misery, mostly leaving after a short time
13:45 Mocky i dont' know what these interior walls are made of but they are prying nails out with hammer without damaging it. def not like back home
13:47 BingoBoingo Concrete?
13:50 asciilifeform lol nails in concrete
13:51 Mocky they say it's not concrete, that only exterior walls are concrete. but it looks and feels like concrete to me. i can't understand what they are calling it, "tabukla" ?
13:51 asciilifeform prolly plaster
13:51 Mocky could be plaster over cinder block
13:52 asciilifeform Mocky: y'know, what interior walls usedto be made of before drywallism
13:53 Mocky i've lived in a couple old houses with ancient plaster. it would chip and crumble pretty easily
13:54 asciilifeform Mocky: in my old flat, not only did not crumble, but broke several drill bits when fiber was installed (which i had to do with own hands, lol)
13:54 asciilifeform early 1900s place
13:54 asciilifeform ( house was... ex-bordello, according to local lore )
13:55 Mocky lol
13:55 asciilifeform ( and, extra lulzily, used to be at... different end of street. at one time in usa they knew how to move houses. )
13:55 Mocky place i was in had 1940's newspaper in the walls
13:56 mircea_popescu Mocky you ever saw my horror ac pics from argentina ?
13:57 Mocky i don't recall it
14:06 mircea_popescu well apparently i can't find it anymore, but anyway, ac unit 100% filled with styrofoam. was pretty rich.
14:06 mircea_popescu "repaired".
14:10 Mocky heh
14:11 asciilifeform hey, gotta have the foam for neutron tamper!11
14:11 asciilifeform ( or was that a different 'industria argentina' product..)
14:14 asciilifeform !Q later tell trinque http://trinque.org/cuntoo.tar.gz 404's
14:14 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
14:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864551 << how much do you need for that ?
14:22 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 20:20 Mocky: i also reached out to local bitcoin guy. turns out there are two. one sells other buys. I reached out the the seller but no response yet. The buyer doesn't have contact info listed and i don't have the bitcoin to answer his ad so haven't contacted yet.
14:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864552 << i expect waste of time ; but in the interest of crossing all bitcoin embassies off the list...
14:23 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 20:23 Mocky: theres also a "blockchain doha" group with 103 members, I can reach out to
14:24 Mocky I'm going to try buying a benjie's worth from one and selling it the other just to meet them
14:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-21#1864561 << mi mismo. don't ask why, it doesn't make anymore sense if explained, either.
14:25 a111 Logged on 2018-10-21 17:57 BingoBoingo: "Medicaciones para niños necessitan recetas" "Es para yo mismo. Llamé a mi medico."
14:25 mircea_popescu !!pay Mocky 0.1
14:25 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/K3gcX/?raw=true
14:25 mircea_popescu Mocky i'm too lazy to type more digits.
14:26 Mocky no, i have it on me. no need
14:26 mircea_popescu hm ?
14:26 mircea_popescu ah don't be silly, use the dime.
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14:26 Mocky fine
14:27 mircea_popescu you don't want to meet people over a hundred anyway
14:27 mircea_popescu especially there, apparently, from the tales.
14:27 Mocky re blockchainers, im going to try to get them to schedule an event with me as the speaker
14:27 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I didn't ask why. The bearded fellow behind the counter who looked as though he could have been cast as an above average banana republic general in Hollywood promptly shut her up dispensed the product.
14:28 mircea_popescu no i mean, why "mi mismo" rather than "yo mismo"
14:28 BingoBoingo AH
14:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what do they do, whack you with scimitar and stretch fresh camel's stomach over yer shaved head, and leave hogtied to dry in the desert ?
14:28 mircea_popescu who ?
14:28 asciilifeform ( re 'stories' )
14:28 mircea_popescu i meant what he's been telling.
14:28 asciilifeform aa
14:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-21#1864567 << aaahahahahaha
14:30 a111 Logged on 2018-10-21 19:18 Mocky: no, i'm subletting a room via airbnb from a nigerian who rents it from someone who also sounds african on speakerphone. and thankfully unseasonably cool with now 2 years worth of rain in the last 2 days
14:30 mircea_popescu jesus christ he's bought a room from a nigerian prince.
14:30 mircea_popescu i think now we've officially done everything.
14:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-21#1864571 << this is so fucking stupid, ftr. i can't conceive why one wouldn't put in central air if needs air conditionning.
14:31 a111 Logged on 2018-10-21 19:21 Mocky: yup, but seems like central air in homes is pretty rare. wallmounted units are the thing, with compressors on the roof.
14:31 mircea_popescu do their malls also have ten bn wallmouinted units ?
14:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the uruguay folx, do !!
14:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo's rooftop, had -- coupla dozen little samsung compressors
14:31 asciilifeform 1 for erry room, i think.
14:31 BingoBoingo ^
14:31 asciilifeform hotel likewise
14:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-21#1864578 << wait, is this in reference to the meet-up things ?
14:31 a111 Logged on 2018-10-21 19:58 Mocky: so far so good. gotta see how well I fit in at these 5 star hotels
14:32 Mocky most malls here are posh, yeah, central air
14:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is so fucking dumb omg. central air costs 2x to install and 0.5x to run for the lifetime of the thing. A DEGREE OF MAGNITUDE SAVINGS
14:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: There is one rooftop unit for every indoor unit
14:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: rrright but that requires an orc who can maintain central plant
14:32 asciilifeform whereas the samsungs, i expect, are treated as ~disposables
14:32 BingoBoingo The mall actually has central air, but it is still turned to produce heat
14:33 mircea_popescu cuz what the fuck maintenance does it need, jaysus. they come encapsulated, like modern engines.
14:33 Mocky mircea_popescu, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864537
14:33 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 19:18 Mocky: the regular spots are mostly 5 star hotels on the water. St. Regis, The Four Seasons, The Pearl Qatar & Medina Centrale. Also there's some pickup beach volleyball at katara beach on fridays once the day cools off
14:33 mircea_popescu right. coo.
14:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if installed correctly, good for 20 yrs, yes. but! needs an orc who can install correctly..
14:33 mircea_popescu sad.
14:33 asciilifeform and! and! an orc client who actually changes the filters
14:34 mircea_popescu there is that.
14:34 mircea_popescu perfect way to ruin 500k in gear, by "forgetting" about 50 bucks maintenance.
14:34 asciilifeform and ductwork gotta be cleaned at least erry odd decade, or you get interesting things growing therin
14:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not there. they don't even have moths, there.
14:34 mircea_popescu that's the thing, dry air is SO the perfecvt appliocation here.
14:34 asciilifeform right, no moths in desert. but i expect qataris will defo not change filter, 'out of principle'
14:35 mircea_popescu it's almost sad to waste the opportunity, you know ?
14:35 BingoBoingo Qatar sounds like the perfect place to use swamp coolers
14:35 mircea_popescu feels kinda like having the perfect joke for a set-up and then... not using it.
14:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc water expensive
14:35 BingoBoingo Pretty sure you can do a swamp cooler with Petrol instead
14:36 asciilifeform ugh
14:36 asciilifeform will work 'great' in errybody-smokes land
14:36 Mocky qataris have maid, nanny, gardener, driver, tutor, butler pretty sure one could have 'change filter' on worklist
14:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1864618 << right.
14:36 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 04:57 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-21#1864601 >> there are some important things that are going to be brought to life by the republic and sure as shit they aren't gonna wait for Qatar to buy in. rather, if the outward appearance is correct and there are men of valor here who can recognize the opportunity then this will be their chance to play host to some business and profit exactly to the degree of their continued valor and foresight and not one riyal more
14:37 mircea_popescu Mocky the other humongo advantage of getting a central air plant instead of the piddly shits is that THEN you can get clean room at no extra cost.
14:38 mircea_popescu "but mp, why would anyone want that!!" "i dunno, same reason anyone would want a large icebox" "inconceivabru. the global market for cars is maybe 12 units."
14:38 asciilifeform either that or smoke all the hookahs in the building 'for phree'
14:38 Mocky maybe qataris have central air and only orc horde has room units, haven't been there yet
14:39 mircea_popescu i don't get it, this is different with miniunits ?
14:39 asciilifeform mini only circulates air in the room it lives in
14:39 mircea_popescu except if he opens a door ?
14:39 asciilifeform aha
14:39 mircea_popescu how would ac unit solve the problem of unwashed co-dweller ? seems the application for that is a lock rather.
14:40 mircea_popescu don't let them in, problem solved.
14:40 asciilifeform it doesn't. was pointing out that you dun get 'clean room' simply from central air pump. at least none of the ones i've used, even with the fancy electrostatic trap thing.
14:40 mircea_popescu i mean, since you have the pumping infrastructure, costs comparatively little to isolate one room and do w/e in there, microscopy.
14:41 mircea_popescu if you didn't have that infrastructure, you might balk at buying it just for a hobby.
14:41 mircea_popescu but with current tech, and given airplant already there, making a den into a clean room is entirely hobby budget.
14:42 * asciilifeform doesn't have a 'clean room' in the chip fab sense, but did install a multistage circulating filter thing in machine room, it actually worx pretty well re cutting downtime for fan cleanings etc
14:42 mircea_popescu (this wouldn't be a very high standard clean room, but 80s level tech quite achievable. whole shtick is to have the controlled airlflow, pressurizing the room.)
14:42 Mocky also, central air units don't feed the chumpatron. room units: huge market constantly turning, repairmen "fixing", "workers" installing, refurbishers
14:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: main dust src in practice is... the human. rather than external air.
14:43 asciilifeform sorta why in the fabs they wear the cosmonautical gear.
14:43 mircea_popescu yes, but with correct airflow it's self-cleanning.
14:43 mircea_popescu which is the point here.
14:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1864631 << this thing...
14:45 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 10:00 jurov: ^^ the first try was !!pay BingoBoingo 2
14:46 mircea_popescu omg, done with log ? sweet.
14:47 billymg trinque: first post ready for review/feedback http://161.0.121.194/?p=4
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14:47 mircea_popescu bare ip addressing huh ?
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14:48 billymg i have billymg.com as well but i'm not sure if that's what i want to use yet
14:49 billymg i also made some very minor tweaks to the default theme's css, mostly for my own sake
14:50 asciilifeform billymg: pretty neat !
14:50 billymg thanks! :D
14:51 billymg i realized while writing that the middle portion sort of veers away from "guide" and more into "retrospective" format but figured it would be best to just get something out for people to read/comment on
14:52 billymg i.e. the part where i get stuck fighting with portage while trying to install php
15:02 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/10/us-firm-facebook-interfering-in-brazils-presidential-election/ << Qntra - US Firm "Facebook" Interfering In Brazil's Presidential Election
15:02 BingoBoingo ^ Meanwhile in foreign election meddling
15:06 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "unregistered foreign influence agent" being the specialist term.
15:08 BingoBoingo It's Brasil, discerning whether or not they registered is probably a six month process
15:09 mircea_popescu heh
15:11 lobbes TMSR: auctionbot is now voiced and now sitting in #trilema
15:11 lobbes !Xview 1000
15:11 auctionbot Sell order # 1000: Reserved Opened at: 1 ecu Winning Bid: None [Closed]
15:11 lobbes I'll keep my eyeballs peeled for any funky behavior
15:11 * lobbes bbl meatworld
15:12 mircea_popescu nice!
15:25 BingoBoingo !!rate billymg 1 The New Yorker
15:25 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Loaac/?raw=true
15:26 BingoBoingo !!v 5451628E9058DCF45EC2D1CFFFF6CF08E81D281E4A9FE1000022311975EB7E8B
15:26 deedbot BingoBoingo rated billymg 1 << The New Yorker
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15:58 lobbes hey nice work on the mp-wp guide billymg
15:58 lobbes btw, if you end up needing it I have a guide out on how to configure apache to handle bot spam directed at your blog >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/arming-your-arm64-rockchip-gentoo-against-the-hordes-of-mindless-bots/
15:58 lobbes though nowadays the rockchip kernels in the pizarro plant have iptables enabled, so you now have a couple of options for crossing that bridge if you come to it
16:00 asciilifeform lobbes: imho a 100%-adatronic thing that could serve http and dish up blog etc. without dragging in apache.nginx,php,sql,etc., would rock. but sadly i dun have anything like the # of free hands for such a thing currently
16:00 asciilifeform tho i suspect it would be simpler mechanism than on the surface it appears.
16:02 lobbes hm interesting. I too have hands tied up but have been meaning to get a few chapters of ffa under my belt. I'll jot this idea down for far off in the conveyor if someone else doesn't get to it first (and by all means, Someone: feel free to beat me to this punch)
16:03 lobbes it would be an interesting project to learn some basic ada with
16:03 asciilifeform it is far on the conveyor, i suspect
16:04 lobbes on my conveyor, absolutely. I still need to 1) finish de-heathenizing lobbesbot's functions 2) redo #eulora logs 3) get auxiliary #pizarro logs up 4) probably something I'm forgetting
16:05 lobbes oy the price history stuff too, tickerbot
16:05 lobbes perhaps one of these promising noobs can take on..
16:06 asciilifeform lobbes: what i meant was, there is long list of actually urgent proggies, this one's definitely a luxury; thus far ~errybody is living with mp-wp and not particularly sad
16:06 lobbes asciilifeform: aa yea. this is true
16:07 asciilifeform but, for instance, i dun have php on dulap, and like it that way
16:07 asciilifeform '9000' php-diddling lolnets knock on the door futilely erry day, it is hilarious to watch
16:08 lobbes would be a nice luxury to have. Every time I've used php, I wished I wasn't using
16:10 asciilifeform would be pretty great if instruction to 'i want blog' n00b wasn't 'install this here 200MB of ??? liquishit', but instead 'build this here 100kB ada'.
16:11 Mocky i can't stomach php, which probably sounds rich coming from hardcore java dude. my www is static files and one old school cgi to python for comments
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16:13 asciilifeform Mocky: i think i've yet to meet somebody who wouldn't rather write msdos batch script, than php..
16:16 Mocky I've met a ton of excel lovers who think php is fantastic. seems to appeal greatly to a certain type
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16:17 Mocky vb "programmers"
16:17 asciilifeform i suspect quite a bit of the 'arbitrary substitutions for style dressing' that folx expect from blog engine, are not actually necessary; just how often does one fiddle with the dressings.
16:17 asciilifeform bake it into the proggy.
16:20 Mocky only rarely fiddled with if you have actual things to do, fiddled endlessly when activity substitutes for usefulness
16:20 asciilifeform put the dressing in blog.ads as constants and be done with it. when erry couple of yrs you feel like twiddling the bg colour or somesuch -- it's a 10sec recompile, wat.
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16:21 billymg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865025 << added DNS http://billymg.com
16:21 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 18:47 mircea_popescu: bare ip addressing huh ?
16:21 billymg lobbes: what does the tickerbot entail?
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16:21 asciilifeform billymg: most folx here use hand-curated /etc/hosts ; dns is largely for giving links to heathens
16:22 asciilifeform billymg: ( trb, for instance, doesn't even support dns lookup. i cut it with own hands; eats bare ip. )
16:23 asciilifeform billymg: http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/ << canonical pg on the subj
16:24 asciilifeform dns is a decorative thing, e.g. asciilifeform , mircea_popescu , have dns names for www , but really ought to remember that it is decorative .
16:25 billymg asciilifeform: ah, makes sense
16:25 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865071 >> I'm totally with you on that. I already "recompile" my whole site from src ascii docs when publishing every post and takes more than 10s
16:25 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 20:20 asciilifeform: put the dressing in blog.ads as constants and be done with it. when erry couple of yrs you feel like twiddling the bg colour or somesuch -- it's a 10sec recompile, wat.
16:28 billymg Mocky: sort of a hand-rolled "static site generator"? i've used jekyll in the past and from what i remember this is how it worked
16:29 mircea_popescu honestly php seems a problem that least needs fixing right now.
16:29 mircea_popescu trilema ran for a decade on a lamp stack to no serious detriment.
16:29 * asciilifeform doesn't disagree
16:29 Mocky not hand rolled, jbake. like java version of jekyll
16:29 mircea_popescu if one were to take this tack, couldn't even turn on computer, gotta fix desk first to be even smoother.
16:30 asciilifeform would be major improvement, tho, if serving up a 10kB article didn't eat 500MB.
16:30 mircea_popescu i don't see that it does ; nor is ram expensive enough to justify work.
16:31 Mocky yeah, pretty far down the list
16:31 mircea_popescu anyway, the point re "redesign" is sound. i comissioned the theme 10 years ago, never really changed it. rolling daily headers came kinda midway, but it literally is one line.
16:31 mircea_popescu and it's all the customizing anyone can take, im sure.
16:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc i last changed mine in... 2008, or so
16:32 mircea_popescu cuz what's to change, really.
16:32 asciilifeform and yet the box grunts though the templatization 9000 times an hour, as if answ could ever turn out different
16:32 asciilifeform quite offensive imho, from aesthetic pov
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16:33 Mocky ^
16:33 mircea_popescu this is true.
16:34 billymg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865096 << which? this is where i can help
16:34 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 20:32 asciilifeform: quite offensive imho, from aesthetic pov
16:34 asciilifeform billymg: it's a fundamental problem with php and any similar substitution-engine thing
16:34 asciilifeform it doesn't meaningfully cache computations
16:35 billymg ah, i thought you meant the final visual output
16:35 asciilifeform nah
16:35 asciilifeform was speaking of where it recalculates what is by all rights a 100% constant value, 9000 times/hr, eternally
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16:36 asciilifeform at any given time, your www -- with the possible exception of comment-eater and search box (the latter dun even exist in mp-wp iirc) really wants to be a static string
16:37 asciilifeform rather than a complicated series of template insertions and db fetches
16:38 Mocky with some minor exceptions like mp's random home page & 404 & partial url matching
16:38 asciilifeform right
16:38 mircea_popescu and commenrts and etc
16:38 asciilifeform there aint so many of these knobs tho
16:38 billymg what about the various wordpress "caching" plugins?
16:38 asciilifeform billymg: afaik they dun work worth a shit
16:38 mircea_popescu if you look into the templarte, you'll see it's very flat, as in, most of the non-variable content is quoted literals.
16:39 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu coupla yrs ago wrote about trying a caching thing
16:39 asciilifeform melted down spectacularly
16:39 billymg lol
16:39 asciilifeform imho sitting a dedicated cacher on php is archaetypical 'tv raft'
16:39 asciilifeform !#s tv raft
16:39 a111 18 results for "tv raft", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tv%20raft
16:40 asciilifeform ( from ancient mircea_popescu piece, quoted e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864 )
16:40 a111 Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
16:41 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865066 << ugh I've met too many of these at my $work.
16:41 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 20:16 Mocky: I've met a ton of excel lovers who think php is fantastic. seems to appeal greatly to a certain type
16:41 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865074 << eventually I aim to have a 'tickerbot' (which, will actually be a function of auctionbot) that will spit out a btc/fiat price based off of the results of republican auctions of a specific type (i.e. to do the price formation of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860078, automatically)
16:41 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 20:21 billymg: lobbes: what does the tickerbot entail?
16:41 a111 Logged on 2018-10-10 16:05 BingoBoingo: In other news, today is pizarro invoicing day and hanbot's auction closed per "<lobbesbot> AUCTION # 367 has ENDED: 500usd via WU SOLD to BingoBoingo for 76mn coppers. Attn: hanbot" leading to a price of 6579 usd/BTC
16:42 asciilifeform lobbes: many yrs ago asciilifeform worked in a biotech lab thing, was ~100% 'excel'-powered, erry bit as ugly as you can imagine
16:42 asciilifeform the instruments for which they didn't have 'excel'-izers, were i/o'd by... human hands
16:42 asciilifeform (interns)
16:42 lobbes it boggles my mind each day, how much runs on excel at $mega-corp
16:43 lobbes "we need to automate reporting." "well data is split across 10,000 sources" "idk, do it anyway"
16:43 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu had an old piece re subj ; it explains quite a bit re ameri-corporate world
16:44 asciilifeform 'excel' is archaetypical pseudo-automation -- eats ~more~ hours in babysitting and manual i/o , than ever saved anyone vs plain pen-and-paper
16:44 lobbes !#s excel sekrit agents
16:44 a111 0 results for "excel sekrit agents", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=excel%20sekrit%20agents
16:45 Mocky working with programmers is hard, they constantly tell you why all your ideas are terrible, if any business person who can self teach vb / php can deliver "value" to manager without pesky programmer problems
16:45 lobbes but yeah, also it one of the few things 'execs' can wrap their head around
16:45 lobbes so everyone forced to use
16:46 billymg lobbes: i might be able to help with that if you're looking for hands, but i think i first need to spend a few weeks getting comfortable with V before i'll be of much use
16:46 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1641817 << 1 of the threads )
16:46 a111 Logged on 2017-04-11 00:21 asciilifeform: i can see a legit pov for the 'no sql' folx. 'you will NOT introduce programmerolade into our process flow, creating work for maggots like yerself and marrying our corp to your lazy and entitled arse' approx.
16:47 lobbes aha that seem familiar
16:48 asciilifeform it gives brass a convincing illusion that they 'understand the process flow', because 'can read any particular spreadshit'
16:48 asciilifeform whereas the fact that collectively 9000MB of excel add up to ~more~ tangled liquishit than 1 perl script, is generally lost on'em
16:49 Mocky and 3 hours later COLD AIR!! lol
16:49 asciilifeform congrats Mocky !
16:49 Mocky even got a pic of indian on a ladder on my bed holding AC unit over head
16:49 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
16:50 lobbes asciilifeform: ayup. but it doesn't matter if actually works even. just needs to 'look like it works' to whichever group of agents
16:50 lobbes Mocky: congrats on the cool air
16:50 Mocky thx
16:51 mircea_popescu speaking of which, finally got off ass made new header. jesus christ this thing.
17:01 Mocky it's funny to see "face whitening cream" on the grocery shelf next to shaving cream and tooth brushes. i always assumed it was just michael jackson and brown chicks with dark blemishes wanting to bleach skin
17:02 lobbes for some reason 'bleached skin' and 'hot desert sun' don't go well together in my mind O-o
17:02 lobbes billymg: ty for the offer. however ticker functionality will be intimately married to the auction database, so I'm going to want to own that completely. However, auxiliary logs for the various chans is something in demand (#pizarro, for example, just has the one logotron atm). That being said, there may be more pressing needs in the general tmsr conveyor
17:03 billymg BingoBoingo: don't know if you saw this https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html << sqlite project gets pressured into adopting a CoC, publishes troll CoC based on chapter 4 of The Rule of St. Benedict
17:03 lobbes definitely no shortage of work around these parts
17:03 billymg NPCs and SJWs everywhere not sure whether to be outraged that it's satire or take it seriously and be outraged at its "religious discrimination"
17:05 mircea_popescu heh.
17:05 billymg lobbes: of course, and thanks for the heads up on the other projects
17:05 lobbes billymg: there may also be opportunities selling for pizarro. If you think you could be good at that couldn't hurt to check with them
17:08 billymg this is something i had thought of before
17:08 billymg as there is some overlap between design and marketing
17:09 billymg right now i have two items in my queue 1) figure out how to submit a vpatch for mp-wp with those few lines of CSS tweaks on the default theme 2) write a completely custom mp-wp theme
17:12 Mocky that's where it starts, next thing you know you're in some strange country
17:13 mircea_popescu hahaha
17:13 mircea_popescu he'd know.
17:13 billymg haha strange country very much top of mind for me
17:13 billymg would like to get out before getting stuck in a coke machine
17:14 lobbes billymg: for #1, be sure to check out ben_vulpes' guide on the basics of v: http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
17:14 lobbes although for vdiff, you'll probably want phf's vtools for the keccak
17:15 * lobbes bbl meat
17:16 Mocky oh and in more important news, i got a line on where to buy a waffle maker here. went to the store and they actually do sell them. but ... sold out. which is probably for the best since they were selling a model worth 17$ that makes one at a time for 80$
17:18 mircea_popescu no waffle shops there then ?
17:19 BingoBoingo billymg: I hadn't seen that one yet. Nice take on the TrannyCoC problem.
17:20 BingoBoingo billymg: if you are really looking for something to do, there's a spiffy js text selection thing and mp-wp could use a couple themes where it is plugged in by default
17:20 Mocky yes, a few of them. but waffles here are like a desert gimmick, covered in thick layers of chocolate sauce or the like. they don't take this shit serious
17:22 BingoBoingo <Mocky> it's funny to see "face whitening cream" on the grocery shelf next to shaving cream and tooth brushes. i always assumed it was just michael jackson and brown chicks with dark blemishes wanting to bleach skin << Apparently it is a big Asian thing. The prospect of it being here makes me very cautious about sunscreen selections.
17:23 Mocky makes me wonder what i'd look like white! :D
17:23 BingoBoingo Prolly rather sickly. In this sunny place I am surrounded by sickly looking pale freaks.
17:24 BingoBoingo And in the trilema homepage roulette, this six year old cutie popped up http://trilema.com/2012/that-sticky-issue-of-enforcing-contracts/
17:25 billymg BingoBoingo: i could definitely do that, wanted to add it to my own as the first step
17:26 billymg what if i submitted a vpatch that adds the js-text-selection feature and the few lines of CSS to the "default" theme in mp-wp (blue header one)?
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17:26 Mocky self inflicted vitiligo, not good if you have a wide nose, lol
17:28 mircea_popescu billymg that'd prolly be useful. see hanbot 's tree.
17:28 billymg mircea_popescu: sounds good
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17:45 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/people-of-walmart/ << Trilema - People of Walmart
~ 24 minutes ~
18:10 asciilifeform lol!!
18:10 asciilifeform there's a lolmart in bananistan?!
18:10 * asciilifeform had nfi
18:11 asciilifeform afaik in BingoBoingostan there was not
18:11 asciilifeform ( tho they had a kitschy 'tienda engleza' thing that sold errything from animal fodder to welder
18:11 asciilifeform )
18:20 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Apparently Brasil has Walmart, but no, there is no lolmart in BingoBoingostan
18:23 mircea_popescu ha-HA!
18:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: unrelated to anyffing: i have a tentative thing that eats a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864354 and gives trb option of replacing 'checkpoints' with it ( i.e. on boot, tests all already-stored blox against it, and if any blox in the tape are not yet present, then it requests & accepts them and only them, 1 at a time ). do we want this for field use ? (if so i can put on conveyor for cleanup)
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18:37 a111 Logged on 2018-10-20 01:48 asciilifeform: ( for the impatient : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/snap_546400.txt )
18:38 asciilifeform it doesn't actually speed up sync ( alert long-time readers will know why : sig verification, contrary to the spew of the prb people, is NOT bottleneck for acceptblock() , rather tx indexing is )
18:39 asciilifeform really it's a quite dangerous grenade, if used ineptly. ( i personally would only dare to feed it a tape that came out of own node )
18:42 asciilifeform takes the form of 'makecement' (formerly 'makesnap') command, and corresponding '-setcement' flag that takes a tape on bootup.
18:43 asciilifeform tape being,
18:43 asciilifeform 0 000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
18:43 asciilifeform 1 00000000839a8e6886ab5951d76f411475428afc90947ee320161bbf18eb6048
18:43 asciilifeform ... and so forth.
18:44 asciilifeform relatedly, mod6 et al, i suggest abolition of '-verifyall' flag, it should really be permanently welded on, bypassing sig tests doesn't win ~anyffin in so far as i can tell
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18:46 asciilifeform erry sig in blox, even taped ones, in oughta be verified, it costs very little cpu
18:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform can't hurt anything.
18:48 asciilifeform well it adds moving parts
18:48 asciilifeform hence the q
18:48 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865024 -> not bad; billymg maybe get the footnotes code to properly link back ; also, place/formatting of footnotes is a bit weird atm - at the first read I thought those were some summary-list rather than footnotes
18:48 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 18:47 billymg: trinque: first post ready for review/feedback http://161.0.121.194/?p=4
18:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not like anyone has to press on it, as per that discussion.
18:49 asciilifeform correct
18:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can you personally picture a scenario where you'd want to use this ?
18:49 mircea_popescu now or in the future ?
18:49 asciilifeform future
18:50 mircea_popescu certainly. in general speaking, trbi will prolly not use any of the current trb/prb legacy common code
18:50 asciilifeform i can't picture wanting any old cpp crapola in trbi in general
18:50 asciilifeform $item pertains strictly to current-day trb
18:51 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=63 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/18/2018
18:51 mircea_popescu i can't imagine it being useful for current.
18:52 asciilifeform the 1 thing it'd do for current, is to give easy means to determine that errybody actually has same blox. but the read-only knob already gives this ( and arguably 'dumpblock' already gave a much slower version of same )
18:53 mircea_popescu and other things.
18:54 asciilifeform which
18:54 mircea_popescu you know, ye olde fashioned sync mechanism.
18:54 mircea_popescu lots of things give this "make sure you have same blocks".
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18:55 asciilifeform ah lol yes
18:57 asciilifeform !Q later tell trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dI29G/?raw=true << very peculiar barfology from existing ( same tarball i successfully used for s.mg box ) cuntoo. sat for 4 hrs, built both gcc's, etc., then ended with this.
18:57 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
18:57 asciilifeform ( wonder why it even needs py3.. )
19:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc ben_vulpes had an experiment that demanded custom 'checkpoints' but i do not nao recall what it was ( and can't seem to turn up in l0gz )
19:05 billymg diana_coman: thanks! i see your point about the footnotes, they could use some visual separation from the main content
19:10 asciilifeform aaah found it : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595868
19:10 a111 Logged on 2017-01-03 22:19 ben_vulpes: haven't made checkpoints configurable, so solipsist nodes won't even mine
19:10 asciilifeform seems that he wanted to test whether trb's miner component actually worked.
19:11 asciilifeform ( currently, this is ~impossible )
19:12 asciilifeform of course, removing the checkpoints thing entirely would give this also. ( i dun recall if anyone ever gave convincing case for whether they oughta stay or go, and if stay, wai not selectable )
19:17 asciilifeform thinking about it, i can actually conceive of 1 possible constructive use for programmable cements -- testing the reorg mechanism ( i.e. deliberately steer a node into a dead end chain, then restart uncemented and see whether it finds its way back properly )
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19:21 asciilifeform afaik this is not a test that has actually happened in trb history ( longest naturally-occurring reorg since trb first saw use in the battlefield was, iirc, 8 blox or so ? )
19:24 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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19:46 mircea_popescu more like 100
19:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: observed on a trb node concretely ?
19:51 asciilifeform cuz i can't say that i have, on my watch
19:52 asciilifeform i definitely watched a 60 blox reorg, but this was in pre- trb era
19:55 asciilifeform iirc it came from one of those idjit gavin cataclysms
19:58 asciilifeform there was the 2015 lulzfest, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-04#1186479 , but iirc that summed to sad chain ~dozen blox long
19:58 a111 Logged on 2015-07-04 04:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, seems the chain actually forked.
20:02 asciilifeform hm, loox like was only 6 .
20:02 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-04#1187403 << detail.
20:02 a111 Logged on 2015-07-04 21:58 mircea_popescu: atm the situation is that block 363730 is forked. one chain, 6 blocks long, proceeds atop a v2 block. the current main chain proceeds from 363730 on v3 blocks.
20:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you still have the 100blox log spew on tape somewhere, would like to see..
20:05 * asciilifeform has been reading noad spew daily since early 2015, finds it difficult to picture having missed such a bomb
20:05 * asciilifeform brb
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21:27 lobbes !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 1
21:27 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bfxYD/?raw=true
21:32 BingoBoingo ty
21:32 lobbes !!v F5B7F38446429C1A7D9FB35C83EB66BA7F63D552C4AE5BE6417131D956115B02
21:32 deedbot lobbes paid BingoBoingo invoice 1
21:32 lobbes BingoBoingo: ty sir
21:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform to be clear, is the idea "node locked on alt chain while main chain goes on a lot of blocks" or "node on a lengthy orphan chain" ?
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21:37 mircea_popescu cuz the latter indeed doesn't happen, expensive mienr failuire
21:37 mircea_popescu but the former happens all the time, cuz inexpensive relay failure
21:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was asking specifically re events that trigger reorg logic ( as seen in http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks/tree/bitcoin/src/main.cpp#L1028 ), with arity defined as the length of the eventually discarded forklet chain
21:42 asciilifeform they happen erry coupla wks on zoolag, but are almost always of arity 1
21:44 asciilifeform afaik to date trb demonstrably did Right Thing on reorg of arity 6 ( july '15 incident )
21:45 asciilifeform but if anyone observed a longer one ( whether naturally occurring, that i slept through somehow, or artificial on testbed ) i'd like to know.
21:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865261 << incidentally i dun see how these are mechanically distinguishable from a node's pov
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21:48 a111 Logged on 2018-10-23 01:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to be clear, is the idea "node locked on alt chain while main chain goes on a lot of blocks" or "node on a lengthy orphan chain" ?
21:49 asciilifeform 'locked' implies that reorg logic failed ?
21:49 asciilifeform i.e. perma-wedge ?
21:49 mod6 Happy 4th Anniversary to The Bitcoin Foundation!
21:49 mod6 I'm currently about a week behind here...
21:50 asciilifeform i have not observed this on trb to date, but it is precisely the q i was posing, whether can happen ( i.e. reorg logic fails ) in some possible alignment of planets.
21:50 asciilifeform mod6: congrats
21:51 mod6 Gotta catch up on l0gz and the rest. In particular, I'm just about nowhere on my task of creating answers to FAQs/Common Questions about the Foundation itself. I'll be working on that this week as a main priority - will post what I have for review/comments/corrections in #trilema by end of weekend.
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21:55 mod6 asciilifeform: thanks for your recent submissions to the ML. I'll get to reviewing those as soon as I can.
21:55 asciilifeform mod6: dun hurry with that one, it's a somewhat exotic knob that isnt of great immediate consequence
21:57 asciilifeform simply dumps block hashes, without racking up ssd wear as dumpblock/hash/erase to do same job would
21:57 mod6 Oh, my bad, there was just one. For some reason, I thought that I read there were two.
21:57 asciilifeform mod6: there was earlier one that prints who gave blox
21:57 mod6 Anyway, like I said, need to go back and rewind the logs a week.
21:57 mod6 OH, right.
21:57 mod6 That one too.
21:57 asciilifeform but thats all i had on ml in recent times
21:58 mod6 *nod*. Cheers.
21:59 mod6 The creation of a keccak trb tree is still on the to-do list; however, one thing kinda proceeds that item for me - a review / testing of keccak implementation. I've never had a chance to do that yet, and I think it's important.
22:02 mod6 I've got a pile of things, really. :D
22:04 mod6 Meanwhile... my node is happily eating blocks to catch back up. On block 64 of 85. Will be a few days yet, I'm certain.
22:11 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865206 << There's a thought.
22:11 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 22:44 asciilifeform: relatedly, mod6 et al, i suggest abolition of '-verifyall' flag, it should really be permanently welded on, bypassing sig tests doesn't win ~anyffin in so far as i can tell
22:15 asciilifeform mod6: afaik errybody already runs with the flag. and switching it off dun do anyffing useful, quite the contrary
22:17 mod6 I can't disagree with that.
22:18 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865239 << This would be a neat test.
22:18 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 23:17 asciilifeform: thinking about it, i can actually conceive of 1 possible constructive use for programmable cements -- testing the reorg mechanism ( i.e. deliberately steer a node into a dead end chain, then restart uncemented and see whether it finds its way back properly )
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23:52 mircea_popescu yeah, no, those don't really happen anymore. even 1s are rare(r).
23:59 asciilifeform indeed. sorta why they're of interest, imho, as 'corner case'.
23:59 asciilifeform rare, but otoh 'nobody cancelled' .
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