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04:46 diana_coman mircea_popescu, http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-4648
04:46 diana_coman I can see the strong in mine; what did you put in there exactly?
04:51 diana_coman mircea_popescu, ugh, you want strong on top of link? wtf
04:51 diana_coman the links are anyway with own style applied, hence yes, nothing to see if you want to overwrite the theme's style for links
04:54 diana_coman and blockquote that works too with original at: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m2WLn/?raw=true
04:56 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2018/12/full-circle/ << Bimbo.Club -- Full circle
04:57 diana_coman funnily enough you can actually even do that if absolutely must: inside blockquote
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10:46 BingoBoingo In local news, inflation is a bitch https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/mayoria-de-acuerdos-salariales-firmados-con-posibilidad-de-no-tener-aumento-real-20181226184422
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11:26 mircea_popescu diana_coman just tryna help you figure out what's going on. [allowed] tags should nest correctly etc, there's some breakage afoot somewhere.
11:27 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what the fuck is this baked in expectation of "aumento" anyway ? what, schmuck sat an ass a whole year, he expects somehow though the magic of planet's powers alligned he is now worth MORE ?
11:27 mircea_popescu the only situations that result in that, plague, war and indiscriminate carnage -- those they hate.
11:28 mircea_popescu how the fuck is the figuring go, "all the kids are healthy and fine, spend all time in school, and as a result every year i'm worth more" ?! more the fuck what, obviously there's more and more people who can do his job by virtue of women spawning and fewer and fewer people who need his job done, by virtue of his having been at work.
11:28 mircea_popescu how the fuck is he gonna be getting INCREASES ?!
11:29 mircea_popescu it's a wonder anyone gets to keep a job for a whole damned year.
11:31 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's this retard thing where Uruguay imagine it can have a central bank. Looking at all of the possible things it could control it decides to do inflation as a structural thing and try to keep the country solvent by chasing this moving target they made. THE CENTRAL BANK SELLS DOLLARS TO KEEP USD FROM FALLING VERSUS THE PESO!!! sort of insanity follows.
11:31 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> it's a wonder anyone gets to keep a job for a whole damned year. << Increasingly they don't
11:32 mircea_popescu the dolarization of economies is simply orcs following washington agenda. they sell dollars to push this angle whereby dollar is even remotely something like a reserve currency.
11:32 mircea_popescu and treasury more than happy to provide them the dollars.
11:32 BingoBoingo Every year less people keep their job, and employment fell 20-30 percent between 2009 and 2015
11:34 BingoBoingo Anyways, it's about time to update the Political snapshot. Looking like the Sartori fellow with the Russian bride worth more than this country is going to so the "surprising" Great Again win.
11:35 BingoBoingo He beat his capture "Blanco" party's resistance and got certified as one of their Pre-Candidates.
11:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as i understand there's always been a 'dollar' (in the sense of best-looking-horse at fiatola glue factory) at any given time
11:37 mircea_popescu i recall back in the late days of bahamas all sorta orclands had large posters with local ugly morons "el negro puede!!!"
11:37 mircea_popescu i guess mid-tangerine term they're going for the "orc again" angle.
11:37 mircea_popescu one day maybe they get a brain, start doing something other than mouthbreathing kids renditions of parental activity.
11:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is dubious, hence the fiatist's notion of "crisis"
11:38 mircea_popescu the thing with the glue factory is that when the nags look good they ~all look ~equally good, and when they look real they all look ~equally naggy.
11:38 asciilifeform i thought 'crisis' is what the local derps spew when their national horse finally goes to glue
11:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They call it crisis when it happens suddenly
11:39 mircea_popescu nah. crisis is when merchants catch a glimpse of the nudity of the supposed "reserve currency".
11:39 mircea_popescu back in the 1800s lots of actual merchants, such things ended with repatriated gold. pretty much drove the history of the us in that century.
11:39 mircea_popescu by now, 99% of walkers live off the dole, so they don't really happen anymore.
11:51 feedbot http://qntra.net/2018/12/japan-quits-international-whaling-commision-no-big-deal/ << Qntra -- Japan Quits International Whaling Commision: No Big Deal
11:52 mircea_popescu keks. they're not gonna quit eating whale are they.
11:52 * mircea_popescu would like to express his support. and so do you, lest you want to stop eating beef some day.
11:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they will when the whale-eaters die. ( it's mostly folx in their 60s-70s doing it. )
11:53 mircea_popescu they should prolly do a whaleman's association.
11:53 asciilifeform mcarthur's idea re protein shortage in occupied jp -- feed'em whale.
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11:53 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mcarthur's idea re protein shortage in occupied jp -- feed'em whale. << Reads like Pantsuit revisionism. Of course Island that can't ranch infinitcows is going to whale eat.
11:54 asciilifeform ~same folx been eatin' it ever since. tastes, reportedly ( asciilifeform did not have occasion to try, but father -- did , for some reason it ended up in orcistan ) like low-grade beef.
11:54 mircea_popescu and in today's farmed lulz : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RIOSu/?raw=true
11:55 mircea_popescu these schmucks actually still exist, believe it or not, "content creators" consisting of a fat dork jacking off to seth rogen's podcast and a derpy chick carefully borderline sleeving her new york writer's boots.
11:56 asciilifeform who was seth rogen ?
11:56 mircea_popescu carehehehehefully "curating" and "promoting" their "online business" predicated on "you don't have to actually buy colored wool / playdo to be on etsy"
11:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform fat unfunny schmuck, made lousy new wave rom-coms. "edgy" and shit.
11:57 mircea_popescu 2000s era made-for-tv layer of ever-collapsing production values.
11:58 asciilifeform horrors!111, all the 'culture' i missed...
11:59 mircea_popescu then they got obliterated by "reality shows", which are even cheaper to make. the
11:59 mircea_popescu what was that thing, with the abandoned storage boxes.
12:00 BingoBoingo lol
12:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how come nobody (afaik..) ever filmed a live-action sokoban ?
12:02 mircea_popescu hahaha
12:02 mircea_popescu twitch.tv, there's a whole "platform" website predicated on someone caring / people being too lazy to actually play.
12:02 mircea_popescu i'm sure you can find sokoban.
12:02 asciilifeform nah i dun mean on comp
12:02 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ~same folx been eatin' it ever since. tastes, reportedly ( asciilifeform did not have occasion to try, but father -- did , for some reason it ended up in orcistan ) like low-grade beef. << From what I've heard aquatic mammals tend to have a flavor distinct from beef. This may differ for full oceanic mammals, but river dolphins are a thing.
12:02 asciilifeform but with actual crates.
12:02 mircea_popescu (not played by anyone who played it originally ; but definitely meanwhile fouind by the hipstery 20yos looking to pose)
12:03 asciilifeform who the fuk wants to see mechanical sokoban played by some derp
12:03 asciilifeform nao with actual 100kg crates , on other hand !
12:05 mircea_popescu ah, lotta that by virtue of cctv in storage rooms. though it usually goes more like https://media.giphy.com/media/iXaXJVF0t72rm/giphy.gif
12:05 asciilifeform ( and of course only pretty gurlz pushin' the crates, wearing 0-epsilon )
12:06 asciilifeform lol
12:07 mircea_popescu or you know, https://i.giphy.com/media/r0WlG500KT1T2/giphy.gif
12:08 mircea_popescu anyway. canadians getting involved in things, the next step after women get involved in things. there's a spiral of decay, and comedy's not gonna do any better than the british commonwealth did.
12:09 asciilifeform re 'reality show', in 1950s robert sheckley had little story re 'glorious fyootoor' where nomoar pantsuit laws, and so folx free to kill themselves creatively for money; and tv program is made where folx are knocked out and then wake up in race car, or midget sub, or jet fighter, whichever is farthest from their ordinary derp life, and filmed as they try an' avoid certain deaths
12:09 asciilifeform imho anyffin that falls short of this, re 'reality tv', is snoar.
12:11 mircea_popescu i dunno that i could be bothered.
12:12 mircea_popescu really, why do you care ? not like there's any possibility of empathizing with the derp.
12:12 asciilifeform hey mircea_popescu enjoyed that warehouse clip, neh
12:12 asciilifeform despite not empathizing with derp
12:13 mircea_popescu i want to see some idiot "avoiding certain death in midget sub" throiugh the process of flailing around wildly and then dying mechanically about as much as i want a pile of sophomore history of philosophy extemporaneous essay-form papers to go through.
12:14 asciilifeform i'd watch 1 or 2.
12:14 mircea_popescu "hello girlies & morons, write me 500 words as to why sophocles isn't euripides" slash "hello dorky, you've got 30 seconds". what the hell's the difference.
12:14 mircea_popescu exactly.
12:15 asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ddm7r/?raw=true << for compleetness of the l0gz, 1337 w4r3z -- sheckley, 'prize of peril'.
12:15 mircea_popescu tbh, i empatized with the ~warehouse manager~.
12:15 mircea_popescu he;s not depicted ; but my years managing construction crews evidently left some trauma.
12:16 asciilifeform warehouse boss could've hired a sober forklifter, neh.
12:17 mircea_popescu suuuure.
12:17 mircea_popescu because that's what you do, there's like 500 sane, safe and consensual folks, cv in hand, to pick amongst
12:17 mircea_popescu and what you do out of sheer and unmitigated self hatred, is hire the one moron.
12:17 mircea_popescu that is so very TOTALLY how it goes down.
12:18 asciilifeform 'how much should i spend to retain sober bulldozerist' is just as much of a ev calc as 'how much iron to use in this here bridge' neh.
12:18 mircea_popescu you got me there, and while in these irons i guess i'll also confess it was my plan all along, back in 2012, to find some lukewarm half-invested dood to do bitcoin-assets.
12:18 asciilifeform lol point
12:19 mircea_popescu i looked far and wide, among practically an ocean of more committed, seriouser etc folk. and so on.
12:19 asciilifeform 'go to war with the army you have...'
12:20 mircea_popescu managing idiots is a game that can't be won, and ~ample experience~ is what informs my firm committment to tolerate no such thing.
12:20 asciilifeform coupla yrs ago , city sewage pipe to asciilifeform's hovel collapsed (from ~earlier~ inept construction work). monkey crew show up, digs, fails to find (!) . finally foreman, greybeard d00d in his 60s, takes over, cursing, drives the thing with own hands...
12:21 mircea_popescu come hell or high water, i'd rather manage my own household than whatever it is, nbc's movie arm, holcim's european sales, romania's only battleship or only central bank, WHATEVER it is -- if it comes with a "but must have some idiot" coda i'd rather fucking manage my household.
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12:50 BingoBoingo In other news, apparently the Chicoms are getting ready to bring hard drive Gigs to RAM marketing https://archive.is/wBqSR#selection-3543.123-3543.242
12:57 asciilifeform 'a 24-core ARM Cortex-A53 processor with 32GB of RAM; but the OS only sees 29.4GB of that RAM' << lol, what's the rest for, built-in botnet ??
13:02 billymg hi all, this past week i've been able to take advantage of the holiday vacation time to get a local workbench set up. i now have a proper gnat so was able to build phf's vdiff. i also have my blog running locally which makes it a lot easier to work on and test changes
13:03 billymg i created a vpatch for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865184 < http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs.vpatch http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs.vpatch.billymg.sig however i am having trouble pressing it myself
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13:03 a111 Logged on 2018-10-22 21:26 billymg: what if i submitted a vpatch that adds the js-text-selection feature and the few lines of CSS to the "default" theme in mp-wp (blue header one)?
13:04 billymg the signature verifies, and i believe i have the diff and manifest syntax correct, but i'm getting the "not found in flow" error
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13:47 billymg also i should note that i didn't include the css changes to the default theme in this patch because i thought a user might want to add one but not the other
13:48 billymg once i get the flow down and get this first patch working it will be easy to create more patches
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14:04 mircea_popescu billymg nice! as it happens nicoleci 's been looking for a way to put her pic in the header, so maybe work together on a theme ?
14:05 asciilifeform in other noose, asciilifeform finally finished massaging the 14b coad; patch + writeup on conveyor for tonight
14:07 asciilifeform interestingly, measured penalty from HaveBarrelShifter := False -- and turns out, on x64, it's <0.5% .
14:12 asciilifeform 14b also includes nitpicks sent in by diana_coman & mircea_popescu .
14:14 mircea_popescu speaking of penalties : i dusted off ancient trb (pre agression), just for curiosity. turns out it sucks ~1 block/minute in the 450k range (ie, catches up with a year's chain per month, sorta thing).
14:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sounds about right. ( tho greatly depends on 'luck of the draw' )
14:16 asciilifeform ( not only luck of ~the network~, but , perversely, the sadder the box , moar often it gets reset, the better pre-aggr trb worked.. )
14:17 asciilifeform need for sane sync only became obv to asciilifeform once he fixed the oom crapola etc
14:19 mircea_popescu this was never reset.
14:20 asciilifeform then, i suppose, blox fell reasonably often into its open mouth.
14:20 asciilifeform ( old trb dun 'suck' blox, except on boot; it waits to be fed )
14:22 asciilifeform will note, even with the heap fragging nonsense, current trb has quite reasonable ram footprint; e.g. i run 'zoolag' on a 2GB box, and never manually reset aside from when deploying patch (coupla times in past yr)
14:23 asciilifeform no ooms either, ever since tossed 'orphanages' etc
14:29 mircea_popescu aha.
14:30 asciilifeform might recall, asciilifeform profiled the thing, it spends almost all cpu time in the db. will be interesting when we bolt on the O(1) indexer instead of the bdb horror.
14:31 asciilifeform (~100% of the ram footprint is blown on indexes, also)
14:32 asciilifeform for ~3 fucking yrs i was convinced that it spends cpu in sig verify; turned out - nope
14:33 asciilifeform ( implication , naturally, is that even if the sig coad were to be replaced with constanttimeism, it would not appreciably change the cpu cost of noad.. )
14:34 asciilifeform not exactly mega-surprise, eccism worx on small (by rsa-planet standards) numbers.
14:35 asciilifeform at some point i'ma have to seriously dig into eccism, to date i've moar or less successfully avoided it, spat on it
14:35 asciilifeform but given as it is used on the classical net, will have to eat it.
14:36 asciilifeform ( unless, i suppose, somebody else here wants to stand up and eat it, and write ecctron )
14:37 asciilifeform ftr it may even be possible to write a reasonably-performant ecctron in 'p'. i cannot currently say.
14:39 mircea_popescu yeah, sane db will be major boon to trb (also not news, discussed as such since original "devs are idiots" times)
14:39 diana_coman mircea_popescu, it's the theme on top because mine has a bit of very heavy handed my-way-or-the-highway re styles
14:40 diana_coman i.e. first strips everything and then applies what it's meant to be
14:40 mircea_popescu ah.
14:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fwiw i have the thing written ( and iirc even posted, 'unofficially' ), but it will take some sweat to properly glue & test.
14:40 mircea_popescu no rush anyways.
14:40 asciilifeform it was built on the mmap lib, which in turn gotta be polished off
14:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873099 << last thrd on subj
14:41 a111 Logged on 2018-11-16 23:13 asciilifeform: it is on hold pending resolution of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266 ( and is taking back seat to ffa currently )
14:42 asciilifeform sane db, then sane cryptotron, then eventually whittle the cppism down to 0..
14:43 asciilifeform ( rather like what diana_coman's been doing with own proggy )
14:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: bdb recall also was used for 'wallet'; iirc trinque had an experiment going with tearing apart walletism
14:44 asciilifeform ( i dun recall where , if anywhere, he got stuck )
14:44 mircea_popescu afaik he also focused on cuntoo.
14:45 asciilifeform aa
14:48 billymg mircea_popescu: sounds good!
14:49 billymg i also found out why e.g. http://bimbo.club is missing some background images, opposed to e.g. http://bvt-trace.net (and this was the original reason i went in to tweak the css)
14:49 billymg in the default theme's css from the genesis press there are some image links that don't resolve because of bad file extensions http://bimbo.club/wp-content/themes/default/style.css
14:50 billymg such as 'images/kubrickheader.jpg.svg'
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14:50 billymg the images are there, but as 'name.svg'
14:51 billymg so wondering if maybe bvt or BingoBoingo caught this and updated, or what's there is from a different release of mp-wp
14:51 billymg but in any case, could also be a quick patch, just to fix the file links
14:52 BingoBoingo billymg: I just made my theme by deleting stuff from the default and occasionally adding text particular to what I want from my blog.
14:53 mircea_popescu aaa!
14:53 mircea_popescu right, this comes from all that conversion stuff we did
14:55 billymg ahh makes sense then
14:55 hanbot billymg current mp-wp should absolutely not have any .jpg.svg flotsam; kubrickheader for instance is .svg
14:59 billymg hanbot: going by the vpatch i found here http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/ or http://btcbase.org/data/mp-wp/ the file does seem to contain a few references to e.g. .jpg.svg, .png.svg
14:59 billymg the files seem to all be consistently .svg though
15:08 hanbot holy cow, why the shit. thank you billymg for spotting!
15:09 billymg of course! :D
15:10 billymg hanbot: if you like i could make and test a patch to submit for review
15:10 mircea_popescu that's be tits.
15:10 hanbot indeed, go fer it
15:10 billymg cool cool :)
15:11 trinque asciilifeform: walletsnip patch works great, just need to find time to regrind and further test. and aha, meanwhile diverted to cuntoo so we have a l00nix
15:13 asciilifeform neato
15:13 trinque once off that, I might see about ebuilding trb (with perhaps phf's v+portage work if it surfaces), and then mircea_popescu's gns v-tree, unless gpg replacement surfaces soon, in which case deedbot->peh work
15:13 trinque or w/e the gpg replacement's name is
15:13 asciilifeform trinque: i dun expect that part will require very much sweat
15:13 asciilifeform at least in re cuntoo
15:14 billymg i do however still need to figure out why i can't press http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-27#1883342 -- before i can create new patches. if anyone has time to take a look or suggest debug tips i'd much appreciate it
15:14 a111 Logged on 2018-12-27 18:03 billymg: i created a vpatch for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865184 < http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs.vpatch http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs.vpatch.billymg.sig however i am having trouble pressing it myself
15:14 mircea_popescu bitcoin rly should come standard in cuntoo anyway. alongside proper rsatron and proper dbtron/webserver.
15:14 mircea_popescu billymg are you using phf's latest ?
15:15 mircea_popescu because i recall a similar problem in ~old~ vtrons
15:15 billymg i created the vpatch diff with vdiff pressed from vtools_ksum
15:16 diana_coman billymg, what did you vdiff against?
15:16 billymg it could also be my v.py, although i was able to press vtools and mp-wp genesis fine with it
15:17 bvt billymg: i fixed the links to the images manually, working over version rolled out by BingoBoingo (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871585)
15:17 a111 Logged on 2018-11-12 20:25 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871478 << fixing/replacing the theme is on my todo list, however i still haven't fixed all the problems in wp-admin (png/jpg vs svg), so work on the theme will have to wait a bit.
15:18 billymg diana_coman: i made a copy of the directory that came from pressing the genesis (keeping the original), made my changes, then diffed the two directories
15:18 billymg well, first copied both to a/ b/ respectively
15:18 billymg then vdiff'd
15:19 mircea_popescu hm.
15:19 diana_coman billymg, sounds good; when you say genesis I assume you mean http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis ; correct?
15:19 billymg bvt: thanks, good to know
15:20 billymg diana_coman: correct
15:22 billymg diana_coman: i loaded the necessary files into the patches/ .seals/ .wot directory structure and ran them through v.py (exact steps here: http://billymg.com/2018/10/the-complete-noobs-guide-to-setting-up-mp-wp-on-a-pizarro-rock-chip-server/)
15:25 bvt billymg: it seems that you should move directory mp-wp into directories a, b, not rename them.
15:25 billymg aha
15:26 billymg lemme try
15:27 bvt i.e. in hanbot genesis, there is a/mp-wp/manifest, while in your vpatch a/manifest
15:27 billymg good catch, that's probably it
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15:47 billymg ok, updated and it now presses but when i inspect the resulting directory the changes aren't there (it also came with an error i saw before on genesis, about a file's hash not matching expected -- i assumed this was because my v.py is pre-keccak)
15:48 billymg i'll do some more debugging, and also grab a newer v.py, and see i can get it working
15:48 billymg if i*
15:49 mircea_popescu gotta use the keccak version anyway.
15:55 billymg yeah, i've been dragging my feet on that (although the vpatch itself was created with a keccak vdiff tool). will update and report back
15:55 diana_coman billymg, well, if the hash is not keccak, you can't exactly press it on top of a keccak patch; and moreover if the sig doesn't verify then it doesn't press it so how would the changes be there?
15:57 bvt billymg: i assume v.py pressed genesis, started checking hashes and errored out before applying next vpatch (with your changes).
16:04 billymg diana_coman: my understanding was that as long as i created the vpatch with a keccak-compatible vdiff then the hashes would be consistent with genesis and it would be ok. this assumption came from me being able to press vtools and mp-wp with my current v.py (grabbed from the link in the trb setup guide)
16:04 diana_coman vtools uses sha iirc?
16:05 billymg i pressed from the `vtools_ksum` patch http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools&search=
16:09 diana_coman probably best look into it and figure out what you are using really
16:10 diana_coman from what you say it would seem that you are actually using a keccak version but that doesn't fit with what you said earlier re checksums not matching
16:11 billymg yeah, i think i'm using a keccak version vdiff for creating the patch, but attempting to press with a sha v.py
16:11 billymg i will look at http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vpy-updated-for-vtools/ for a new version
16:12 billymg sorry for the slow pace, i'm still learning a lot as i go
16:14 diana_coman billymg, this might help perhaps too: http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/
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16:16 billymg diana_coman: ah, ty
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17:40 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2018/12/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-september-and-october-1715-part-iii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of September and October, 1715 - Part III.
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20:34 mircea_popescu https://github.com/ariya/phantomjs/issues/15344 << in other not-really-news, phantomjs either died or something like that early this year.
20:34 asciilifeform wtf was it ?
20:35 mircea_popescu state of the art re de-javascriptifying afaik.
20:39 asciilifeform i.e. 1 of those http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866191 warcrimes ?
20:39 a111 Logged on 2018-10-25 19:10 asciilifeform: when you add compatibility spackle, serious reader is not saved from reading the thing you spackled over -- on the contrary nao he has to read the ~original~ rubbish ~plus~ your spackle, however much it weighs.
20:39 mircea_popescu well, if you're going to replicate archive.is, you're going to use ~something~ to go from webshitsoup to plain html.
20:40 mircea_popescu and if you don't replicate it, well...
20:40 asciilifeform ( a 'js lib' dun 'dejavascriptify' any moar than 'qt' de-x11-ifies )
20:40 mircea_popescu you have to, somehow, move from a to b.
20:41 asciilifeform 1 possible move is instead from 'a' to 'c', i.e. to entirely new, sane stack, where e.g. sexprs instead of htmlolade and 'scheme' subset instead of jsolade.
20:41 mircea_popescu you're not even parsing what i'm saying here.
20:41 asciilifeform was speaking specifically of existing browserisms ? then sure.
20:42 mircea_popescu are you aware that curl will not in point of fact produce copies of shitty imperial websites, because those shitty imperial websides use javascript to fuck with the dom ?
20:42 mircea_popescu we have a hole in the process here, where bash existence is not === browser existence. phantomjs used to fill it, or at least mostly, or so i thought.
20:42 mircea_popescu as things stand right now, though, there IS a hole.
20:43 asciilifeform a. yes
20:43 asciilifeform there were other 'headless browsers'; i've used 'selenium' in particular (~8 or so yrs ago), it worked (then)
20:44 asciilifeform ( loox like i was wrong re what the subj of thread was; thought it was a js layer lib )
20:44 mircea_popescu prime target for pantsuit shenanigans ; i expect a lot of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877139 going on. because otherwise, very much a problem of http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/
20:44 a111 Logged on 2018-12-01 02:00 asciilifeform: by the time someone reverses, they change it, and force the idjit users to 'upgrade'
20:44 asciilifeform verily, it's pestilentially universal in heathendom www
20:45 mircea_popescu but it occurs to me we kinda HAVE TO maintain the browser===bash equivalency.
20:45 asciilifeform 'load article + 50MB of ads via dynamic js'
20:45 asciilifeform + rowhammer.js , lol, naturally..
20:45 mircea_popescu subset of turing test, if you will. if there exists means to mechanically distinguish browsering luser from bashing republican, the world is broken.
20:46 asciilifeform in asciilifeform's experience, gold standard for this is a cycle-accurate emul of luser-os , with kbd/mouse controlled by e.g. cl proggy.
20:47 * asciilifeform used, successfully, for various spamtronics
20:47 asciilifeform it is also what e.g. the pokerists, use.
20:48 asciilifeform can haz whatever one likes in the emul, even , say, 'internet exploder' complete with bugola, etc
20:49 asciilifeform the win from this pov is that you dun need the 100kg of liquishit of grasping/emulating js+browserbreakages+etc but only x86 (10kg of liquishit).
20:49 asciilifeform you bring up the emulated box for each session, and tear it down after (ramdisk).
20:50 asciilifeform somewhat surprisingly, mmap makes this less 'heavy' than appears at first glance.
20:50 * asciilifeform used system roughly along these lines for auto-analysis of shitwares
20:51 asciilifeform in shitwareology, it is absolutely vital that the instrument be minimally distinguishable from actual 'luser box'. (thinkaboutit.)
20:51 mircea_popescu for crying out loud, a virtual machine running firefox just to do what lobbesbot does atm in case archive.is croaks ?!
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20:52 * asciilifeform ended up building an actual iron pc-like, with instrumented ram, faux disk, etc. this was described in ancient thread.
20:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: paradoxically it is the simplest known pill.
20:52 mircea_popescu yeah but kinda diff app
20:52 asciilifeform actually very similar app.
20:52 mircea_popescu dude, the archive russki fellow utterly doesn't do this.
20:52 asciilifeform if he doesn't, he's theoretically open to, e.g. rowhammer.js .
20:53 asciilifeform ( as well as various incompats. erry 10 or so links that asciilifeform feeds to 'archive', dun actually archive. not even via the 'hypothesis.is' and similar kludges. )
20:53 asciilifeform btw i'm not aware that he published his complete mechanism. ( did he ? )
20:55 asciilifeform afaik , it is indeed easier to write a reliable x86 emulator, and run shitfox & exploder , etc -- than to build a shitfox-and-exploder emulator. sad but troo.
20:56 asciilifeform for all that intel tried, it was not able to stuff anywhere near the poundage of complexity-liquishit found in even old www browser, into x86 .
20:57 asciilifeform i had emulators successfully running even winblowz 7, etc.
20:59 asciilifeform imho a proper, adatronic x64 emulator, would be a handy thing.
20:59 * asciilifeform doesn't have one yet, sadly
20:59 asciilifeform what i had, was a lightly patched 'qemu' (removed all the 'acceleration' nonsense that wants to run as root and then gets you owned)
21:00 asciilifeform that variant was far short of ideal -- iron on which one runs it still has to be considered disposable
~ 56 minutes ~
21:56 asciilifeform in other noose, finished ch14b writeup, will post after proofread.
~ 29 minutes ~
22:26 feedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2892 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 14B: Barretts Modular Reduction. (Part 2 of 2.)
22:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, diana_coman , et al ^
22:26 asciilifeform !Q later tell phf plox to snarf ch. 14b into http://btcbase.org/patches , ty !
22:26 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
22:27 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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