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00:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc the track record of folx given 'easy' coin early in their life as a wotperson, is poor
00:00 asciilifeform e.g. kanzure
00:00 mircea_popescu oh , he got anything ?
00:00 asciilifeform you gave him whole coin !
00:00 asciilifeform sight unseen
00:00 mircea_popescu but yeah, i guess it's becoming quite the antisignal huh.
00:02 asciilifeform ( mircea_popescu also gave asciilifeform whole coin in 2012. but bahaha asciilifeform gave it back with interest. so duncount!111 )
00:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, you and the blondy chick. recall her ?
00:02 asciilifeform hm which one
00:03 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/
00:03 asciilifeform aa !
00:04 asciilifeform she did even better , yea
00:04 mircea_popescu 2013, softer market.
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00:20 lobbes phew. I tell you, if there's one thing a dumbphone is good for it is for keeping up with mega-logs while out and about
00:23 mircea_popescu i believe.
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03:09 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824467 <- hm, that sounds more like a guarantor of sorts than an arbiter?
03:09 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 00:08 asciilifeform: phf: i need an arbiter so as to give players some amt of confidence that rules will not change underneath them.
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08:13 spyked revisiting the allwinner arm blobulism discussion for a moment (re. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821639 and maybe other threads). I've looked at the olimex shithub repo ( https://github.com/OLIMEX/DIY-LAPTOP/tree/master/SOFTWARE/A64-TERES ) and there are indeed some binaries that I can't trace to any source, namely: the kbd firmware and the 'scp.bin' blob. olimex also include a boot0.bin (no idea why, since this is also generated
08:13 a111 Logged on 2018-06-08 13:41 asciilifeform: re upstack -- i do not currently have an 'allwinner', cannot comment re its uboot definitively.
08:13 spyked by uboot) and a 'bl31.bin' (again, no idea why, bl31 "secure runtime" crap is part of arm bsp).
08:17 spyked I've also found some work aimed at replacing some blobs ( https://github.com/crust-firmware/crust ), but I've currently no way of checking whether that really works (don't have an allwinner board atm), so this is where my digging stopped.
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08:52 mircea_popescu spyked, ill tell you why. cuz most "geeks" that are "interested" can't compile anything.
08:52 mircea_popescu if you include the bins they get to play-pretend along. MOAR USERS
08:53 mircea_popescu scp.bin prolly implements scp (securecopy)
08:54 mircea_popescu as in http://pentestmonkey.net/blog/rbash-scp
08:55 jurov http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824587 dpb sent the crate to me, don't remember whether he kept some. i planned hosting, recently found out the designated "colo" place got rainwater leaks, postponed
08:55 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 00:53 mircea_popescu: dood, danielpbarron had like a whole crate of them.
08:55 mircea_popescu ah!
08:56 mircea_popescu jurov, don't worry about it or anything, i mostly use it as an ideal construct to smack alf over the head with educationally.
08:56 spyked mircea_popescu, that's what I thought too, but it's a different item. apparently a binary for separate core in allwinner SoCs, http://linux-sunxi.org/AR100 prolly their version of fritz chip.
08:58 mircea_popescu oh
08:59 mircea_popescu i confess my guess was based on ~nothing.
09:02 spyked (I also have no idea what "scp" would stand for in this case. fun fact: all the open sourced bits for "sunxi" SoCs are full of comments in chinese, so they could have named it 馬公雞, same thing)
09:06 mircea_popescu in other lulz, some chick named her account illuminaughty.
09:07 mircea_popescu intelligence and a working intellect exist online like uranium in the fucking sea. "it's definitely there!" "really ? go get some ?" "ummm...."
09:08 mircea_popescu !!up loper_os_cr50
09:08 deedbot loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
09:09 mircea_popescu aand who might you be, loper_os_cr50
09:24 asciilifeform spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824913 << i picked rockchip for the arm64 experiments ~specifically~ for not having this.
09:24 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 12:56 spyked: mircea_popescu, that's what I thought too, but it's a different item. apparently a binary for separate core in allwinner SoCs, http://linux-sunxi.org/AR100 prolly their version of fritz chip.
09:30 asciilifeform ( and not, as some might think, using a dartboard, lol )
09:30 asciilifeform allloser chipset -- suxx.
09:34 spyked yeah. well, as to how it specifically sux, it's now in the logs. prev. discussions had me believing that it's a potential alternative to the rockchip.
09:34 asciilifeform !!up loper_os_cr50_
09:34 deedbot loper_os_cr50_ voiced for 30 minutes.
09:34 asciilifeform loper_os_cr50_: hello ?
09:35 asciilifeform spyked: it is an alternative, of sorts. but quite intel-like in re blobulism, is the idea.
09:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824918 << eh U in the sea is ~plentiful~ in comparison !
09:37 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 13:07 mircea_popescu: intelligence and a working intellect exist online like uranium in the fucking sea. "it's definitely there!" "really ? go get some ?" "ummm...."
09:37 asciilifeform ( you can reliably get it out! merely -ev energywise )
09:38 mircea_popescu i... also can...
09:38 asciilifeform lolyes
09:38 mircea_popescu scaling encounters some problems.
09:39 asciilifeform 'world's greatest magician cannot pull a rabbit out of a hat unless the rabbit is actually in the hat' or how did it go.
09:44 mircea_popescu it's there, they're just all effectually crippled. like dood that has enough sense to not try going at it without fume hood who nevertheless doesn't enough sense to recognize that "you asked for it" is a very poor excuse indeed for registering an expired key.
09:44 asciilifeform lol maybe he read our mega-thread re how gpg expiration is bogus
09:45 mircea_popescu it's the exact equivalent of "aluminum is not available in the crust [because it's chemically bound with crap so strongly we don't know how to tear it apart [until electrolysis is made possible by cheap electricity]]".
09:46 mircea_popescu "even the greatest magician can't produce metallic aluminum from sample until he has hydro plant"
09:46 asciilifeform aha, similar. ( in washington there is a gigantic monument , tipped with fist-sized piece of aluminum, pre-electrolysis / alcoa co. , when it was priceless ; prior to being installed on monument, thing was exhibited in new york, folx were permitted to... step over it, in a museum, 'i stepped over washington's monument!11' )
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10:25 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824917 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlTnKsekQMs
10:25 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 13:06 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, some chick named her account illuminaughty.
10:26 mod6 mornin'
10:26 phf Vexual: didn't make it all the way to catskills, Shawangunk "the gunks" Ridge
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11:15 asciilifeform meanwhile , in sad noose, cr50 apparently would be a 1st-class bitch to fully replace, it ( among errything else ) also does the power brick negotiation thing
11:15 asciilifeform ( usb-c bricks output no voltage until elaborately asked, via somewhat gnarly serial protocol )
11:16 asciilifeform granted, the details are all in the sores.
11:17 asciilifeform 'smart' power supplies, srsly, plague
11:25 mircea_popescu it really should be discouraged.
11:25 asciilifeform discouraged lol. it's a pestilence.
11:25 mircea_popescu i'd rather have replacement brick than entertain this.
11:25 asciilifeform i'd like a whole replacement machine, sure.
11:26 asciilifeform ( incidentally, the 'now you can charge from ordinary usb!' was a bait-and-switch crock of shit, plugging usb-c into ordinary usb doesn't supply even 10% of the needed current, what the thing does with its brick is to negotiate a much higher voltage, up to iirc 40v )
11:27 asciilifeform admittedly the brick is a standard part, rather than a googlism. but still ugly.
11:28 mircea_popescu this "smart" things trend is fucking intolerable.
11:29 asciilifeform oblig : http://thomas-grogan.com/drm-chair << 'smart' chair.
11:30 asciilifeform there was an earlier version of this lul, where it had a credit card reader and retractable spikes, but i cannot now find it, it was from early age of drmism
11:32 asciilifeform http://wearcam.org/seatsale/ << oh here it is.
11:33 asciilifeform 2001.
11:35 asciilifeform i'm almost surprised that it didn't take off commercially.
11:35 asciilifeform fritz chip, when senator fritz first demanded it, was seen as ~equally sad joke. but nao life.
11:36 mircea_popescu i find it SO fucking infuriating the all-soviet pioneer morons actually go about pretending like that idiocy is ~anything but~ the most laughable thing ever...
11:36 mircea_popescu really, it's fucking time to express how this bs is not socially acceptable by social exclusion, ostracism and violence.
11:37 mircea_popescu no fucking tolerance for the pantsuit jesus fucking christ wtf.
11:37 asciilifeform the time was 1995 or so.
11:37 asciilifeform today the tumour is the size of a beagle, and the patient is almost nowhere to be seen
11:39 mircea_popescu hey, i beat hippies in the 90s until my hands fell off.
11:39 mircea_popescu somehow apparently they all went home to sulk and make tardbook accounts.
11:39 asciilifeform and asciilifeform in his old flat killed vermin with poison, traps, in the end with own hands and crowbar, didn't reduce population of mice and rats in the city noticeable.
11:39 asciilifeform *noticeably
11:40 asciilifeform seems like the approach has limitations
11:41 mircea_popescu yeah, the limitation being all the fucktarded nurturing idiots in the "civilised world".
11:42 mircea_popescu it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch."
11:42 BingoBoingo Reddit bags and live reddit bagcams
11:44 mircea_popescu instead of telling daughter how she'd better take 1st place at tailhooker's coed beauty contest if she wants any supper, there she was "raising awareness" about "equality in the workplace". well now!
11:48 BingoBoingo Al Gore, end of History!
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12:08 BingoBoingo In other parasites: "The University of Oxford is being mocked for an email in which administrators suggested that the "highly developed social conscience" of students draws homeless people to the city of Oxford"
12:09 mircea_popescu paduche la paduche trage.
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12:45 asciilifeform meanwhile, in intelisms, 'the content of FP registers owned by another process can be speculatively detected...' etc
12:46 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824947 << heh, of course i just received mine today.
12:46 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 15:15 asciilifeform: meanwhile , in sad noose, cr50 apparently would be a 1st-class bitch to fully replace, it ( among errything else ) also does the power brick negotiation thing
12:47 asciilifeform phf: didja build the snake ?
12:47 phf started yesterday evening, haven't finished yet. probably today or tomorrow
12:47 asciilifeform it's still conceivable that we find overflow in tty or spi slave etc handlers, or the like
12:48 phf well, if we don't, i'll see if i can get an unlock through corporate channels, and just use it as a one off machine
12:48 asciilifeform and i'm still curious what an elephant-killing dose of gamma would do to the cr50.
12:49 asciilifeform ( per the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822402 discussion )
12:49 a111 Logged on 2018-06-11 15:46 asciilifeform: one interesting observation, is that the update mechanism lets you flash in arbitrary crapola into 'rw' section ( it simply won't jump to it if it doesn't pass rsa(sha256(payload)) ) . so theoretically could put a nop sled there, ending with jump into the magic half of unlock routine. and then expose the thing to beta/gamma, and perhaps in a few months it will Do The Right Thing
12:51 asciilifeform phf: i was thinking of producing a coupla dozen snakes, to hand out to people, but per yesterday's mircea_popescu thread it seems not to be worth it
12:56 phf asciilifeform: i think you _might've_ misunderstood the thread. the point seem to have been not so much that the whole attempt is pointless, but it's the framing that was questionable. if you make a couple of snakes and send them at own expense to interested l1/l2, i don't see how it won't be worthwhile. we just don't have any idle reversers, who want to take a stab at it for the lulz, available at the moment.
12:57 asciilifeform possibly
12:57 asciilifeform any folx in l1 who would like to saw away at c101pa but lack the snake ? plox to write in .
12:57 asciilifeform l2, even.
12:58 asciilifeform iirc i pointed this out in recent past, same snake can be used to tickle recent intel boxes also. ( but i have not explored this. )
12:59 asciilifeform pretty much every machine with usb-c, afaik, will respond to it.
13:00 asciilifeform ( e.g. certain 'android' pnojes )
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13:24 phf asciilifeform: "Sadly, the result of loading this URL was… a _a_ GMail login prompt. So I log in with a GMail account, and get:"
13:27 asciilifeform phf: fixed, ty
13:32 asciilifeform phf: out of curiosity, what didja mean re 'corporate channels' ?
13:32 asciilifeform got insider in the belly of the beast?
13:33 asciilifeform afaik they dun sell rma codes for money
13:34 asciilifeform ( unlike, say, certain pnoje makers, where you ~can~ ransom the unlock )
13:35 asciilifeform my current understanding is that the 'rma unlock' thing is used during factory refurb, so asus et al prolly have it
13:44 phf asciilifeform: i suspect chromeos partner console is on a need to have basis. if it's just oem partners, then i'm out of luck, but if there's some flexibility there, then yes, there are official channels
13:45 asciilifeform phf: see if you can get 1, if can also get 2... it'd be useful for glitching experiments
13:50 asciilifeform ...and potentially for dpa experiment. rma unlock , turns out , generates a disposable seekrit ( good for N tries, i fughet what N is ) , encrypts to google's ecc pubkey, and expects to be given the magic string back, to unlock
13:50 asciilifeform in a rigged fw, could run this routine and watch for dpa correlates.
13:51 asciilifeform the 'add 5% random NOPs during hashing' is not a watertight pill against dpa.
13:51 asciilifeform but would need at least 1 actually popped cr50 chip, to tune the probe.
13:52 asciilifeform if one could guess the 32byte magic even 0.01% of the time, could unlock a unit in a day or three.
13:56 asciilifeform likewise, with a popped unit it will be possible to take multi-GB samples of the onboard rng, and examine this.
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14:56 asciilifeform in other lulz, 'The signature verification routine in Enigmail 2.0.6.1, GPGTools 2018.2, and python-gnupg 0.4.2 parse the output of GnuPG 2.2.6 with a “--status-fd 2” option, which allows remote attackers to spoof arbitrary signatures via the embedded “filename” parameter in OpenPGP literal data packets, if the user has the verbose option set in their gpg.conf file.'
14:56 asciilifeform and '...interprets user ids as status/control messages and does not correctly keep track of the status of multiple signatures, which allows remote attackers to spoof arbitrary email signatures via public keys containing crafted primary user ids.' etc
14:58 BingoBoingo This country https://i.imgur.com/Zj8UjUj.gifv
14:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: oblig : https://img.rl0.ru/da67425f076e7e571c331f7c178db99b/c615x400/news.rambler.ru/img/2018/01/16194608.333147.9461.jpeg
15:00 BingoBoingo 4srs
15:01 * asciilifeform actually bought some matte and prepared what he thought was the traditional чифир-style tea, on coming home from BingoBoingo , was woozy for whole day
15:02 BingoBoingo It can do that
15:02 asciilifeform amazing, sometimes, what people will drink.
15:03 BingoBoingo Definitely, out of curiosity what kind of Yerba was it?
15:03 asciilifeform dunno, box was labeled simply 'matte'
15:04 BingoBoingo Any stick and twigs?
15:04 asciilifeform definitely sticks, twigs.
15:04 BingoBoingo Ah, Argentino crap
15:04 asciilifeform classic chifir material.
15:06 BingoBoingo The uruguayos prefer a stronger hit, nothing but leaves and powder
15:13 BingoBoingo But, a big difference is they don't boil the mate water with toxic plant material already inside it
15:21 asciilifeform i didn't either, lol
15:21 BingoBoingo AH
15:26 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825027 << traditionally chifir is made with http://fb.ru/misc/i/gallery/44825/1701533.jpg
15:26 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 19:04 asciilifeform: classic chifir material.
15:27 phf even back in shalamov days they made it "со слоном"
15:33 asciilifeform funnily enuff that stuff is still sold
15:33 asciilifeform right here in usa even
15:33 asciilifeform point was, the matte people prepare their leaves the same, compl with stems.
15:34 asciilifeform no slon on the box, but same grade of grass shaving rubbish.
15:34 phf ah ah
15:39 BingoBoingo Related: https://www.subrayado.com.uy/demolieron-bocas-venta-drogas-que-estaban-construidas-predios-publicos-n506403 << Early morning (7am!!!) drug raid nets 125,000 pesos and 900 USD. 20 kilos of assorted drugs. 5 houses bulldozed. Entire barrio of Malvin Norte shut down during the lollarity
15:40 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> point was, the matte people prepare their leaves the same, compl with stems. << In argentina and (apparently) DC. Here they are like pot smokers and frown on stems.
15:42 BingoBoingo Meanwhile a Police officer attempted to get a firearm into "Penal de Libertad" (The Freedom Prison) by stuffing it in a Nintendo https://www.subrayado.com.uy/funcionario-intento-ingresar-un-arma-escondida-una-consola-videojuegos-n506311
15:54 phf heh, the kommuniti consensus around recent intel bugs is "don't do crypto on cpu, that's what tpm is for"
16:04 mircea_popescu ahahaha
16:05 mircea_popescu !!up loper_os_cr50
16:05 deedbot loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
16:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824856 << to be plain, the argument is "hey, you just watched this dood produce broken reasoning in the vein of replacing 'it is my responsibility to register you rightly told me i fucked up the process, for which i am ashamed as i should be, it is after all my responsibility to have my keys' with 'you asked me to register [therefore you somehow owe me somthing, you totally weren't pointing
16:15 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 02:09 trinque: I dun recall kicking, or even telling the guy to leave.
16:15 mircea_popescu out my factual and utterly obvious shortcoming], i'm doing you a favour, tough breaks for you that '''the server''' was out of date [which totally isn't my failure, inasmuch as it was my server, that's why i keep it around, to randomly dissociate when things happen]' without skipping a beat. it's therefore reasonable to expect similar breaks from reality to be triggered in similar circumstances. inasmuch as the setting broken
16:15 mircea_popescu bones hospital doesn't jump on the broken bones to make the point the bones are broken, might as well abstain from pointing out to 14 yo cunts captive in 40yo reverse engineer's bodies that they're transparently and for everyone evidently 14 yo cunts."
16:16 mircea_popescu that said : i don't specifically care either way, but now explicitly.
16:17 mircea_popescu in any case, the "unhappenings" we've been laughing at aren't ~alien~ technology. they're how the victims of child abuse react to the world "naturally", in the sense of, having had it browbeat into them by the shameful harpies of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824975 ; both in the family and at "school" / football practice / we.
16:17 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch."
16:19 mod6 Hi all, Pizarro is working on some advertising materials - in particular banner ads that can be placed on blogs / sites. We'll be coming up with some sort of amount we can pay for advertisers per month to have this up on their homepages / main pages.
16:19 trinque it's fair; I can be slightly more tolerant of noobery
16:20 mod6 I just created one, and I encourage all involved to throw their hat in the ring. Typical sizing I have found for these are: 446px x 63px
16:20 mircea_popescu trinque, hey, i'm specifically not even asking you to. fuck them, let them learn to live in the world before asking the world to change to accomodate.
16:20 mod6 http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_banner1.png
16:20 trinque aite
16:21 mircea_popescu but you can also directly see how it's now a case of "oh, i didn't shake hands with mp RETROACTIVELY because I SAY SO" and all the rest of the http://trilema.com/2018/the-problem-with-christians/ bullshit just from there.
16:21 mircea_popescu they're christians, ergo stupid, what can you do. nobody knows.
16:21 mircea_popescu mod6, are you passively asking me something ? because if yes then yes, a) very slow and b) why so passive about it.
16:22 mod6 Not asking thing from you, no.
16:22 mircea_popescu kk.
16:23 mod6 I want to get more advertising for Pizarro going, and I thought I would just drop this in here so other republicans are aware if they wanna help pitch in on the banner effort.
16:23 mircea_popescu ever looked into the clickbank thing ?
16:23 mod6 No, will take a look.
16:25 lobbes Nifty mod6. Likewise, I'll add 'banner ad space for sale' to my radar as I continue to filter the ocean
16:25 mod6 lobbes: cool!
16:27 mod6 I was thinking that if L1/L2 people around here want to emplace a banner on their blog to help drive some traffic to PizzaroISP.net and earn some btc, let us know.
16:27 mircea_popescu lobbes, you figure out the clickbank too.
16:27 mircea_popescu it'll have to be figured out.
16:27 mod6 Meanwhile, yeah, we'll be looking into other sites, etc.
16:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824992 << something like that.
16:27 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 16:56 phf: asciilifeform: i think you _might've_ misunderstood the thread. the point seem to have been not so much that the whole attempt is pointless, but it's the framing that was questionable. if you make a couple of snakes and send them at own expense to interested l1/l2, i don't see how it won't be worthwhile. we just don't have any idle reversers, who want to take a stab at it for the lulz, available at the moment.
16:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825006 << i'll certainly be very interested of hearing a yes/no to this, secretly even, because so far i've not been getting anywhere (as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824240 etc ). curious if perhaps im doing something wrong.
16:29 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 17:44 phf: asciilifeform: i suspect chromeos partner console is on a need to have basis. if it's just oem partners, then i'm out of luck, but if there's some flexibility there, then yes, there are official channels
16:29 a111 Logged on 2018-06-12 21:04 mircea_popescu: also, i can say it is extremely unlikely your preliminary "thousands" figure is correct.
16:30 ben_vulpes second step in clickbank signup is "who do you bank with and what's your ssn"
16:31 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, the reason it's interesting is that it is the de-facto home of ~anyone left who's still doing cpa.
16:31 mircea_popescu sorta like you trying to get into porn -- you can't complain about "having trouble with gfy.com", and so on.
16:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825015 << what "software development" even is for. this great foss movement that gave us so many wonderful things, such as a firm guarantee to the usg that there's AT LEAST a little idiocy in everyone's computer no matter what.
16:32 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 18:56 asciilifeform: and '...interprets user ids as status/control messages and does not correctly keep track of the status of multiple signatures, which allows remote attackers to spoof arbitrary email signatures via public keys containing crafted primary user ids.' etc
16:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825019 << i'm pretty sure that's the point, they can't afford pot but gotta be as spacey as proper californians to not burn down the entire fucking country. and so...
16:35 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 19:01 asciilifeform actually bought some matte and prepared what he thought was the traditional чифир-style tea, on coming home from BingoBoingo , was woozy for whole day
16:37 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825040 << they have that stuff here too, "arrested drug ring, confiscated a few benjies in currency". it always boggles the mind.
16:37 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 19:39 BingoBoingo: Related: https://www.subrayado.com.uy/demolieron-bocas-venta-drogas-que-estaban-construidas-predios-publicos-n506403 << Early morning (7am!!!) drug raid nets 125,000 pesos and 900 USD. 20 kilos of assorted drugs. 5 houses bulldozed. Entire barrio of Malvin Norte shut down during the lollarity
16:40 mircea_popescu lobbes, alternatively, if you find actually interesting banner selling ppl i'll both pay you for the effort and buy their banners to help take some load off zee pizarro. you have almost enough here to start your own "digital media" agency, just need to hire some worthless ditzen now and is all set!
16:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the uruguay locals ? they eat (yes, eat) pot by the pound, it looked like
16:43 asciilifeform street vendors errywhere peddling 'magic pies'
16:44 mircea_popescu aha.
16:45 mircea_popescu i was talking of the argentards.
16:47 asciilifeform aa
16:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825076 << as far as i can tell, their Official policy is to never admit that the thing even exists ( aside from the src, which is gnarly enuff , i suppose , to 'not count' somehow )
16:48 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 20:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825006 << i'll certainly be very interested of hearing a yes/no to this, secretly even, because so far i've not been getting anywhere (as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824240 etc ). curious if perhaps im doing something wrong.
16:48 ben_vulpes seems like clickbank wants to own the entire payment flow, and looks at first blush to only eat credit cards
16:49 mircea_popescu possible. in other similar lulz, juicy ads (whom, incidentally, i remember from the days the dood starting it was a junior/nobody with a "new project!!", 15+ years ago) refuses to deal with crypto because "we are respectable company".
16:49 mircea_popescu they mostly lost the will to live, white men.
16:50 ben_vulpes i'll survey the 'crypto'/cpa space and report back
16:51 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825043 << remember 'clipper' ? never died, immortal, just gets rebranded erry so often
16:51 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 19:54 phf: heh, the kommuniti consensus around recent intel bugs is "don't do crypto on cpu, that's what tpm is for"
16:52 mircea_popescu scarcely worth the bother, that. "crypto"-x as in, "a crypto ad network" is totally another way of saying http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/#selection-197.0-197.39 ; ie, "that website some kid made and meanwhile forgot about"
16:54 ben_vulpes > "Community: access to insights of a 1000-strong community of marketing professionals, who focus on the blockchain industry" << sheesh
16:55 asciilifeform re tpmism : i predict many great lulz of the fyootoor , when google et al roll 'bitcoin' support into cr50 etc
16:55 asciilifeform youreaditherephirst!11
16:56 mircea_popescu imagine, if you will, 1k bleating heads collected in a room. even admitting you're http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/#selection-175.1-175.78 and can make the list of the top 1k "blockchain industry" professionals, correctly sorted desc.
16:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, it'll be ethereum. bitcoin, like trilema ~also~ something official policy is to not admit exists (aside, of course, how it's what they save in / read themselves).
16:56 asciilifeform '...and this here is the airport wallet inspector master key jack. got a problem, terrorist ?'
16:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: likely
16:58 asciilifeform 'root of trust'(tm)(r)
16:58 ben_vulpes 40 btc starter package! www.icobox.io also all "success stories" successes are denominated in usd
16:59 ben_vulpes they'll make a landing page for another 4 btc
16:59 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: site last updated in 2013 or wat
16:59 mircea_popescu i remember one time hanbot went through "crypto credit cards"
16:59 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "or apply for basic 40 btc package for free!"
17:00 ben_vulpes and on the next page "Apply for ICO services worth 20 BTC for free."
17:06 lobbes mircea_popescu: deal! I'll let you know if I find anyone of interest.
17:08 ben_vulpes https://archive.is/pWbrV << potter's hustle in the news again
17:09 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: recall, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818041
17:09 a111 Logged on 2018-05-24 16:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818018 << i'm quite certain that they will have a show trial or two for 'putin's wreckers' who 'manipulated the price upward'
17:10 ben_vulpes looks more like a "the price isn't the real price because it's too high to be the real price and here's some proofy proof" to me
17:10 ben_vulpes notice no knives for phil
17:11 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: moar of a 'we're about to dump a bit moar stolen coin on the waterfall so here's some smoke screen'
17:11 ben_vulpes wasn't that last week's "hack"?
17:12 asciilifeform regular installments, asciilifeform tbh does not follow subj in realtime
17:13 asciilifeform 'The authors of the new 66-page paper do not have emails or documents that prove that Bitfinex knew about or was responsible for price manipulation. The researchers relied on the millions of transaction records that are captured on the public ledgers...' << lol
17:13 asciilifeform 'helped government authorities and academics spot suspicious activity in the past' << didjaknow.
17:14 ben_vulpes i had some suspicious activity in the alley around my trash last week, where's my blockchain analysis support
17:14 asciilifeform the van's been dispatched!1
17:14 mircea_popescu i like how they say "the new", as if it's somehow a workable substitute for "the stupid"
17:15 mircea_popescu who the fuck cares how new it is ?!
17:15 mircea_popescu don't tell me the implication would be that "we've already" the old.
17:16 mircea_popescu anyway, for the record we agree -- price's way the fuck too high consider what the republic can provedly do as of yet.
17:16 asciilifeform hey, it isn't as if the academitards don't always create 'new' 'paper' via same foo | bar | baz template spammers use ( as posted in mircea_popescu's www on at least 1 occasion )
17:16 mircea_popescu ikr ?what fucking "new", the last time usg produced something new hruschev was still wearing his shoes.
17:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: expand re 'too high' ?
17:18 mircea_popescu does it seem to you a maybe-isp, a mmorpg, some we don't have REs and some novel length fiction warrants a 100bn valuation for the republic ?
17:19 asciilifeform from asciilifeform's perch, 'valuations' are voodoo , i have nfi either way
17:19 mircea_popescu something like that.
17:19 mircea_popescu but i mean, as far as anyone presently knows, 100% of all bitcoin trade consists of http://logs.minigame.biz/search/?q=total+bids
17:19 mircea_popescu that... ain't so much.
17:21 asciilifeform pizarro is afaik the only moving part we've got that at all feels the exch rate
17:21 mircea_popescu well, it's not even started to publicly exchange yet.
17:21 mircea_popescu iirc that was for this month ? or next ?
17:22 asciilifeform good q ; hey ben_vulpes , did you ?
17:22 ben_vulpes next month
17:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817767
17:22 a111 Logged on 2018-05-23 17:18 ben_vulpes: i intend to do this for the july bills.
17:22 mircea_popescu next month.
17:23 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i did say 'next parcel somebody other than asciilifeform ' , recall
17:23 asciilifeform after prev refuel
17:23 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you'd better have one
17:23 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: made arrangements; wire's been sent already and cash is in discussion
17:23 asciilifeform ok.
17:23 mircea_popescu well, they got the whole local bitcoins thing iirc.
17:23 ben_vulpes plus BingoBoingo has done good work in lining up local exchange partners
17:24 asciilifeform that was what i meant in re 'the only part that feels the btc exch rate'
17:27 asciilifeform considering that a good % of the current subscription base is paid quarterly (or even 1yr ahead) -- exch rate is not irrelevant
17:28 mircea_popescu only in the "fuuuu" sense.
17:29 asciilifeform hm?
17:30 asciilifeform ( i.e. in the sense where its movements cannot do any serious good, only damage ? then yes )
17:32 mircea_popescu in the sense where "o god, paid in advance, at much higher nominal rate"
17:32 asciilifeform can go in either direction, neh ?
17:32 mircea_popescu indeed.
17:33 mircea_popescu this movement'd have greatly benefited a hardware heavy isp (in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445680 ) ; it greatly hurts a forward-payments / unearned income isp as pizarro stands
17:33 a111 Logged on 2016-04-04 19:10 mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware
17:33 mircea_popescu but, the sums involved aren't that great anyway.
17:34 asciilifeform exch rate oscillation has potential to be a palpable headache, like solar storms for space station
17:36 mircea_popescu much moar shield-able, fortunately.
17:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes mod6 possibly you oughta consider a couple mo. of usd 'shielding'..?
17:37 * asciilifeform stepping outside of his expertise and prolly oughta stfu re subj
17:37 mircea_popescu what, and turn it into a financial speculator ? usually firms go that way after making so much revenue they run out of capital goods they might buy
17:37 mircea_popescu wester union eg, went that way.
17:38 asciilifeform what's the proper method to shield, then
17:38 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i am similarly poorly equipped to speculate/trade, but now at recent lows strikes me as a bad time to convert btc to cash (unless it goes lower, ofc)
17:39 mircea_popescu well, consider the situation in the field. the unearned income acct hurt, in that pizarro will have to service in the future in excess of current fiat value ; the capital goods acct helped, in that the servers it owns are worth more in btc than they were when bought.
17:39 asciilifeform i haven't any idea is it's a local min or the beginning of a slide back into 2015 or whichever way, my voodoo is weak
17:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aah i think i get it. 'iron is the master of them all'(tm)(r)
17:39 mircea_popescu in this direction.
17:40 mircea_popescu yes, if pizarro had 10 btc worth of gear end of q1, then pizarro'd have had 15+ btc worth of gear today.
17:40 mircea_popescu it didn't, so it could be argued it "missed out" on earning 5btc for its principals. but that argument, like any other icahn-speculative truths, is weak.
17:42 mircea_popescu still : cash position protects against fiat depreciation (which is why unearned income acct hurt, it's a negative cash acct) ; whereas tangibles position protects against fiat appreciation.
17:43 mircea_popescu currently the financial position of pizarro is long cash / short tangibles (90/10 or something like that is the split iirc ?) meaning it will gain when fiat depreciates and lose when it appreciates.
17:43 mircea_popescu a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta.
17:43 mircea_popescu hence, "more easy to shield"
17:44 asciilifeform logical.
17:44 mircea_popescu really, there's a lot of similarity between the job of the CFO (which... i gues... is what i'm doing here ?) for a company and the job of a captain of a fore-and-aft rigged vessel.
17:44 mircea_popescu "get the rigging match the wind".
17:45 asciilifeform this model makes a great deal of sense, and kudos to mircea_popescu for showing it
17:46 mircea_popescu mp.
17:46 ben_vulpes illustrative, ty mircea_popescu.
17:47 asciilifeform the naive picture in asciilifeform's head has , in this light, moar resemblance to piece of driftwood, than sailboat
17:47 asciilifeform i'd like to upgrade to the sailboat.
17:47 asciilifeform ( sailing on a driftwood is a depressing experience )
17:48 mircea_popescu lol. ever been in dead water ?
17:48 mircea_popescu it is indeed depressing. like traveling in the desert, come to think of it.
17:48 ben_vulpes "you: wiggle the till. and you! get me a beer"
17:48 asciilifeform i've not personally captained anyffing bigger than rowboat, lol
17:48 mircea_popescu kinda why boat should have nude babes, distract one when this happens.
17:48 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, quite.
17:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, weren't you about to move on the high seas, lefty from mullbery st. ?
17:49 mod6 ahoy
17:49 asciilifeform same 'about to' as to mars, lol
17:49 asciilifeform similarly out of my price range.
17:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu painfully educated me on subj.
17:51 mircea_popescu and what a fun adventure it was! :D
17:51 mircea_popescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Ruggiero << historical character.
17:53 asciilifeform ah good old dayz d00d
17:53 asciilifeform when nyc still had working garbage pickup etc
17:55 mod6 ls
17:55 mircea_popescu aha. actually these were the garbage guys.
17:55 mod6 gah
17:56 mircea_popescu gah: command not found
17:56 mod6 :D
17:56 mircea_popescu wouldn't want to shock your expectations :D
17:56 mod6 thank you for being our parser, Sir.
17:56 mod6 this kvm is gonna be the death of me
18:08 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825128 << How big was their donkey?
18:08 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 21:14 ben_vulpes: i had some suspicious activity in the alley around my trash last week, where's my blockchain analysis support
~ 24 minutes ~
18:33 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825058 << mod6 ben_vulpes work out a handshake with mircea_popescu so that i can put this on phuctor www
18:33 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 20:20 mod6: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_banner1.png
18:33 mircea_popescu go right ahead, i dun see the problem.
18:34 mircea_popescu well... maybe have them make something the same size as other items there ?
18:34 asciilifeform yea
18:34 mircea_popescu ie http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/snsa.jpg
18:34 mod6 We intend to pay for the advertising, unless nosuchlabs wants to put it up for free as a friend.
18:34 asciilifeform i was about to link to this yea
18:34 mod6 I have some more that I just threw up on my site; a few to pick from: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/
18:34 asciilifeform mod6 can haz pic corresponding to dimensions of linked jpg ?
18:35 mircea_popescu btw, asciilifeform : the phuctor design is narrow. plenty of space to put stuff on the sides, rather than bottom, if you wantr.
18:35 asciilifeform it's narrow cuz asciilifeform uses narrow screens, lol
18:35 asciilifeform but potentially can be fiddled with
18:35 mod6 asciilifeform: hm? images i created are, 446px × 63px
18:36 asciilifeform mod6: my jpg is 320 wide
18:36 mod6 vert image is the reverse 63px x 446px
18:36 mod6 oh
18:36 * mod6 looks
18:36 asciilifeform currently i'd prefer horiz
18:37 mod6 ok yours is 320 x 132 px
18:37 mod6 You want me to make one that size, I think I can make a special one. Lemme tinker on it here.
18:38 asciilifeform just the 320 dimension
18:38 asciilifeform ok
18:38 mod6 you dont care how long it is?
18:38 mod6 or tall?
18:38 asciilifeform dun care how tall
18:38 asciilifeform within reason
18:41 mod6 i gotta creat a new one, gimp is limited, or im a bit limited in is usage. i'll make 320 x 132 if that's suitable.
18:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, if you're going to do this, best think about it, specify the site for it.
18:42 mircea_popescu "i dun care how tall" is a recipe for disaster down the road.
18:42 asciilifeform for quick emplacement, would like to have 320x132 then
18:46 mod6 on it
18:51 ben_vulpes ty asciilifeform, mircea_popescu
18:58 mircea_popescu !!up Disavowed
18:58 deedbot Disavowed voiced for 30 minutes.
18:58 mircea_popescu !!up dw
18:58 deedbot dw voiced for 30 minutes.
18:58 mircea_popescu aand who might you two be ?
18:59 dw i pointed Disavowed here, found your site via lobsters about a week ago :)
19:00 Disavowed Hey - cheers for having me :)
19:00 mircea_popescu sure.
19:01 mircea_popescu but... i still don't know much.
19:02 dw we are admirers of your fine essays and eager to subscribe to your most serene republic
19:02 dw (and idle)
19:03 mircea_popescu yes, but i mean... can you do anything useful ?
19:05 mod6 http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_nosuchlabs_banner1.png
19:05 mod6 asciilifeform, mircea_popescu : here it is, let me know if you'd like any changes ^
19:08 asciilifeform mod6: this looks pretty good. where would you like the link to go ?
19:12 mircea_popescu if this ever takes off you can do two things : a) have a banner rotator and b) have monthly or biannual or w/e spot auctions.
19:15 mod6 asciilifeform: http://pizarroisp.net/
19:16 mod6 the thing has a home/landing page now devoid of all statements/blog info, so this is good.
19:16 mod6 mircea_popescu: ah, good points
19:17 asciilifeform mod6: i'ma put it in later today, thx
19:18 mod6 no, thank you both!
19:31 asciilifeform mod6 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu et al : it's live ( see e.g. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats )
19:36 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/06/german-government-divided-as-interior-minister-decides-to-skip-migrant-integration-summit/ << Qntra - German Government Divided As Interior Minister Decides To Skip Migrant Integration Summit
19:38 BingoBoingo I suppose Qntra can put up a banner as well
19:38 ben_vulpes if you would that would be great BingoBoingo
19:52 mod6 asciilifeform: nice! thanks :]
19:52 mod6 BingoBoingo: cool!
19:57 mircea_popescu and in today's harem cocktails : in a cocktail glass (the inverted cone on a stem) put shaved ice, cover with cinzano rosso, splash of cointreau.
19:57 mircea_popescu alternatively, squeeze bitter orange, i guess.
20:00 mod6 ah, sounds refreshing
20:00 mircea_popescu a good cocktail is that mix which is better than the sum of the parts.
20:03 mod6 i've been saving my last two bottles of borsec :D
20:07 mircea_popescu lol.
~ 25 minutes ~
20:33 mod6 i just made the best BLT+fried egg+cheese sandwiches.
20:33 mod6 normally i don't do the egg+cheese. but that was srsly a win.
~ 52 minutes ~
21:25 asciilifeform meanwhile, in lulz from the lint traps, http://the-eye.eu/public/
21:27 asciilifeform some oddballs archived buncha ??? , from microshit isos, to... censored reddits ( http://the-eye.eu/public/ripreddit/ )
21:27 asciilifeform very 1990s flavour.
21:28 mircea_popescu "censored reddits" is about 500% the extant reddit by mass.
21:28 asciilifeform i've nfi
21:28 mircea_popescu item only ever existed as a child porn / assorted bizarro trading ring.
21:29 asciilifeform going by cursory look at the contents , mircea_popescu is ( was ? ) right
21:29 mircea_popescu there's only so much tiresome-unsexed-mayogendered that can be produced. so not much alternative content available.
21:29 asciilifeform http://the-eye.eu/public/Images/Russian%20Propaganda/ << gotta be single largest collection i've seen to date
21:31 mircea_popescu %20 and everything huh
21:32 asciilifeform the 'wget -m -np -c --no-check-certificate -R "index.html*" "https://the-eye.eu/public/"' listed at the bottom of all pgs, is classy touch imho.
21:32 asciilifeform evidently they like mirrors.
21:32 mircea_popescu http://the-eye.eu/public/Images/Russian%20Propaganda/Le_002.jpg >> beautiful xreferencing, too. five letter numeric filenames ftw!
21:32 asciilifeform ( i can't think of much use for most of the artifacts, or would mirror )
21:33 mircea_popescu i can't imagine why anyone thinks this belongs in a website. it's evidently a tarball.
21:33 mircea_popescu html is HYPERTEXT not hyperdump
21:33 asciilifeform 0 idea where the thing was born or why.
21:36 asciilifeform 'community' link goes to some heathen chat thing, dunwork here
21:40 asciilifeform turbo pascal ( 4 versions!111 ) . nintendo games. peter norton complete works. roms for circa 1990s pcs. mirrors of long-dead ??? sites. ;
21:40 asciilifeform more or less http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537276
21:40 a111 Logged on 2016-09-08 15:53 asciilifeform: heads, leucrota, manticores, vultures, paranders, weasels, dragons, hoopoes, owls, basilisks, hypnales, presters, spectafici, scorpions, saurians, whales, scitales, amphisbenae, iaculi, dipsases, green lizards, pilot fish, octopi, morays, and sea turtles.' -- eco's 'name of the rose'
21:43 asciilifeform evidently the hell errybody's dead 1999 hdd , went to.
~ 21 minutes ~
22:04 asciilifeform !Q later tell mod6 http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << plox to make FUCKGOATS text link to subj
22:04 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
~ 47 minutes ~
22:51 * mod6 looks
22:51 lobbesbot mod6: Sent 47 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << plox to make FUCKGOATS text link to subj
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