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00:24 asciilifeform meanwhile in sads , i go and look and steve dutch's ancient and very entertaining www is... nomoar
00:24 asciilifeform but if this werent sad enuff : guess what :
00:25 asciilifeform d00d is alive and well and... in kolhoz: https://medium.com/@stevedutch by choice !
00:26 asciilifeform ( i can only guess, being prof of geology at uni of wisc. dun pay much ? )
00:28 mircea_popescu magic of disassociative thinking.
00:28 mircea_popescu "nobody would hold this ode to stalin against me, it's fashionable!"
00:29 asciilifeform he's also gone riotously pantsuit
~ 44 minutes ~
01:13 asciilifeform .. or maybe not? somewhat contradictory fella
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01:13 asciilifeform old age.
01:21 douchebag dissociative thinking? Where's the ketamine at
01:21 douchebag ?
01:27 mircea_popescu veterinarian clinics, usually.
~ 8 hours 40 minutes ~
10:07 mod6 mornin'
10:08 mircea_popescu hey.
10:10 asciilifeform ohai mircea_popescu mod6
10:10 mod6 hey hey
10:12 mod6 ls
10:12 mod6 damnit
10:13 mod6 i better get a coffee
10:13 asciilifeform emacs-fiddling, mod6 ?
10:13 mod6 naw, i just forget which screen im using
10:14 asciilifeform sorta why folx get separate keyboard, cabling, etc for the missile control console. so not to fughet.
10:14 asciilifeform ( among other reasons )
10:14 mod6 i've got like a bunch of computroboxes, a bunch of screens and like four keyboards.
10:14 mod6 sometimes i lose track of where I'm at.
10:15 asciilifeform get rid of mousetronic focus, if you haven't yet.
10:15 mod6 oh yeah, that's not the thing. I need to maybe tweek the setup here when I get a few minutes.
10:16 mod6 lol, wasn't much of a problem when I only had a few boxen :D
10:17 mircea_popescu mod6, you evidently need a pincer helmet.
10:18 mod6 heheh, something!
10:18 lobbes Hey mod6, not urgent, but could you create a pizarro banner in an avatar ratio? As much as I like the beachdick avatar I made, it doesn't communicate 'ISP' very well. Here's the size it'd need to be >> https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_138230.png
10:18 mod6 i'll figure something out that works better.
10:19 mircea_popescu beachdick ?! oh i gotta see this thing
10:19 mod6 hi lobbes
10:19 * mod6 looks
10:20 mod6 ok that beachdick image is 120 x 70 px
10:20 mod6 you want something that looks like the others in that size?
10:20 lobbes Yes plox. If yer too busy I can probably do it, but consistency in branding etc.
10:21 mod6 I can probably come up with something here today, sure.
10:21 lobbes I like how yours communicate all the selling points in a small space
10:21 lobbes Word. No rush at all. Im in the $saltmines anyways atm
10:21 mod6 werd. it's a pretty small space, but I'll see what I can do. i'll hollar when i'm done, Sir.
10:21 mod6 ok
10:22 lobbes Ty!
10:23 mircea_popescu lol mod6 finds a new life as a gfx designer for the web
10:24 mod6 ikr. haha
10:27 mod6 hey lobbes, does tardstalk still let you put a banner or skinny banner in your footer part or whatever (I feel like that used to be a thing?)
10:27 mod6 if so, throw me a sample and maybe I can make one of those too.
~ 54 minutes ~
11:22 asciilifeform !!up |\n
11:22 deedbot |\n voiced for 30 minutes.
11:29 asciilifeform |\n: hello...?
11:30 |\n asciilifeform, i feel guilty for getting voiced manually without bringing 0days lol but should i attempt to spread the word across chinese people as well?
11:30 asciilifeform |\n: yes
11:30 asciilifeform chinese, eskimos, whoever.
11:30 mircea_popescu |\n, could you get a nick that's not an absolute pain in the ass to type ?
11:30 mircea_popescu also, register a key already, i'll rate you, then you can self voice.
11:30 asciilifeform ( i dun have high hopes for 'word spreadings' but it is conceivable that somebody, somewhere, is 1) qualified to participate 2) will pull head out of arse for long enuff to actually do it )
11:31 mircea_popescu unassednick, do you live in china ?
11:31 asciilifeform !!up unassednick
11:31 deedbot unassednick voiced for 30 minutes.
11:31 asciilifeform unassednick: register a key already.
11:32 unassednick no but i read a group of chinese people who know where the real internet is
11:32 asciilifeform nao i simply gotta ask, unassednick , where exactly is it
11:32 asciilifeform this 'real internet'
11:33 mod6 lobbes: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/pizarro_avatar1.png
11:33 unassednick outside of chinese great firewall, delusionally, yet i somehow feel they are capable in general
11:33 asciilifeform unassednick: so let's see them come here.
11:33 mircea_popescu unassednick, so knock yourself out.
11:34 asciilifeform afaik we dun have anybody who knows cn lang, but virtually any earthling lang will do
11:34 asciilifeform supposedly they have schools over there, and teach'em
~ 37 minutes ~
12:11 BingoBoingo Alive, pictures coming to the blog today
12:14 BingoBoingo Apparently orc communication device tried to kill me in my sleep last night
12:18 BingoBoingo Battery did not swell, but microusb charger melted to phone's microusb port
12:20 shinohai !!v 65EF6684BE090173923810ECE27F3219732DA54B164030EF7FBB5155EA9A5B35
12:20 deedbot shinohai rated douchebag 1
12:20 mod6 Sounds like you need a new phone BingoBoingo
12:21 BingoBoingo mod6: Picked one up this morning. Going to get it set up today.
12:22 mod6 right on
12:25 mircea_popescu meanwhile in monogamy, https://cdn.mpasho.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/jealous-girls-be-like_o_3140739.jpg
12:26 lobbes mod6: ah perfect! Worx and looks great (the green-on-black catches the eye well imo) >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4453723.0
12:26 mircea_popescu mod6, totally got a green on black fetish, it's clear by now
12:27 lobbes As for signature banners, seems like they have odd rules re: those; I think images aren't even allowed in sigs for $reasons
12:27 mod6 lobbes: heey! thanks. ya, looks pretty good on there.
12:27 mod6 ah, ok. well, was worth checking on. cheers!
12:28 mod6 mircea_popescu: haha, yeah, i've been using it for quite a long time.
12:28 lobbes mircea_popescu: lol, rite? It's become his calling card
12:29 mod6 my biz cards are the same way; 0x00ff00 & 0x000000 with courier new
12:35 Mocky trinque, how goes this? I'm quite eager >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-07#1821099
12:35 a111 Logged on 2018-06-07 02:21 trinque: Mocky: I'll have something for you to try out in a few days, if you like.
12:41 trinque Mocky: the item from my original post builds again. I've yet to finish gathering everything required by the base system into a genesis vpatch, but that's next in the process. among them, I need to bring in ave1's gcc.
12:42 trinque I will update my original post with the former soon as I'm able, maybe tonight. that won't be "cuntoo", but it'll be enough to get assistance from other folks such as yourself to bring it to completion
12:50 Mocky trinque, this is the original post, correct? http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/
12:50 trinque yep
~ 26 minutes ~
13:17 asciilifeform meanwhile, in steve dutch's bag o'lulz, https://archive.li/N2Bhn
13:17 asciilifeform ( tldr -- d00d tries, naturally fails, to invent the republic )
13:20 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform is an entomological connoisseur of 'clever fella tries to invent tmsr but fails on account of defective priors' artifacts. it's sorta like watching intelligent shaman try to build radio using voodoo doll action-at-a-distance, what to expect, fella never heard of electric fields , 'work with what i have!' )
~ 20 minutes ~
13:41 lobbes Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and say essentially "horde of sybils are okay, as long as each sybil pays subscription fee of $100"
13:43 asciilifeform e.g. the alchemists, also got quite a few points 'right'.
13:45 asciilifeform dutch had not 1 but 2 successful, by internal measures, careers in the belly of the inca ( prof. of geology in 20th c usa , and sgt in army ) , manages to combine cult of centrally-administered 'ordnung' and lip service to 'private property' without any apparent mental friction
13:46 asciilifeform 'homo picketfenceicus' or how did mircea_popescu describe these.
13:55 asciilifeform !!up guestop
13:55 deedbot guestop voiced for 30 minutes.
13:55 asciilifeform guestop: hello ?
13:55 guestop hello
13:55 asciilifeform guestop: who are you , and what brings you to #trilema ?
13:56 guestop hm, loper-os.org and c101pa
13:57 asciilifeform guestop: you will probably want to read the chan log, http://btcbase.org/log/ , and make use of the search box, chances are that your q has been answered in the past week
13:57 asciilifeform !#s cr50
13:57 a111 190 results for "cr50", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cr50
13:57 asciilifeform !#s c101pa
13:57 a111 81 results for "c101pa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=c101pa
13:59 guestop thanks, just lurking
14:00 asciilifeform 'just lurking' isn't likely to do much for you, threads have beginnings, and measure in months, years.
14:01 asciilifeform ( and i suspect that there won't be much said re cr50 for a while, currently it is in dead waters )
14:05 asciilifeform guestop: are you working on breaking cr50 yourself ?
14:06 guestop nope, I dont't have such skills :(
14:06 asciilifeform guestop: what skills do you have ?
14:06 mircea_popescu lol hardcore alf
14:07 asciilifeform lol i mean d00d was able to log in, knows how to set nick!11 must know ~something~..
14:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, lobbes you're more patient than me. the only way i can interpret the sort of behaviour is in the bdsm terminology, as brats. and i can't fucking stand brats, not to mention they're the essential pinnacle of idiocy, "i know it dun work but it's more important that it's my dumb idea than that it works".
14:08 asciilifeform who knows, maybe guestop is a master burglar , can go and pinch for us that privkey
14:09 mircea_popescu it's one thing to shaman on deserted island / 5k years ago. it's another thing to moron (literally, the john smith followers, the original morons) in 1910.
14:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, was talking re dutch/locklin/whatever horde of these literate imbeciles.
14:10 mircea_popescu this "ima write poems in chuchka because russian too hard to learn" sorta bs really gets my goat.
14:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've found that some septagenarian u.s. academics are moar shaman than smith, do have some measure of native intellect that can be knocked out , potentially, of its inca track
14:10 asciilifeform granted it aint trivial
14:10 mircea_popescu i've yet to see this.
14:10 asciilifeform uncle al had his moments of clarity
14:11 mircea_popescu in my (admittedly, extremely extensive) experience, the only predictor of success is age. 20yo "domme" or "brat" or whatever can make perfectly fine slavegirl and thereby exist and matter. 30yo "submissive", can't.
14:11 asciilifeform hey wasn't it a mircea_popescu article where 'let's not cult of youth'
14:11 mircea_popescu but let's not cult of youth in adults.
14:11 mircea_popescu very much cult of youth in youths.
14:12 mircea_popescu what the fuck am i to do with a "us academic", ie, a 12 yo captive in a 60yo's body ?
14:12 asciilifeform potentially it's a 1950s 17 y.o., those can possibly work with.
14:12 mircea_popescu to put it another way : how about you prove to me that trinque didn't SAVE US a large pile of value by getting us rid of "reverse engineer" ?
14:12 asciilifeform quite likely that he did.
14:13 mircea_popescu entirely conceivable. who's to know the alternative futures. but the point stands -- the only thing i see when i see one of these old nothings is, "here's a hole you can pour sweat into forever"
14:13 asciilifeform however asciilifeform's measured suspicion is that the hypothetical clueful reverser is moar likely to resemble trinque's d00d than a 20 y.o. douchebag .
14:14 mircea_popescu because this is how they age -- they become ever more elaborate in their idiocy. THIS is the deep meaning of "Interesting to see the bits he gets 'right' , such as no anonymity, but then to see him see him turn around and" : he didn't get anything right.
14:14 mircea_popescu he's just fuzzing the field, is all.
14:14 mircea_popescu grudgingly including bits that he doesn't want to exist.
14:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, that matter is extremely hard to discern.
14:15 mircea_popescu but let's model this properly, for the sake of record :
14:16 mircea_popescu idiot (I) consists of ordered list (L) of statement trees (Ti). each individual statement in each tree is either true or false ; relatedly to this, every tree is either solid or nonsense.
14:16 mircea_popescu aging in the wild, in this model, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of individual Ts in that L grows, so as to avoid removing any of the initial Ts.
14:17 mircea_popescu aging in the republic, contrarywise, is the process whereby the cardinal of L and the length of some Ts shrinks, so as to remove as many Ts and T elements as possible.
14:18 mircea_popescu these processes both directly mimic the evolution of software in empire and republic ; and directly illustrate the problem : aging is a net negative for they outside the republic. it ~decreases~ their value, monotonically, irrespective of any other considerations.
14:18 mircea_popescu the more they spend "thinking", the more they'll have to spend thinking to get rid of the elaborate elucubrations they came up with ; and not even linearly "the more", i'm affraid it's exponential.
14:19 asciilifeform naggum's 'read only brains' , as valuable when aged as a burnt 2007 debian iso
14:20 mircea_popescu and so this is the deep root of what i mean when i say "he didn't get anything right" : the ~only reason~ he included $republican-item in his soup is to support some other batshit insanity ; it's not a root but a frill for him -- as proven by the fact that were it root, it'd have rid him of the batshit he aims to hang on it.
14:21 mircea_popescu but as it is, the moment the idiocy he is protecting goes away, so goes away his perceived need for whatever "he got right" and there you sit, wondering, "hey, i taught you this a year ago, where did it go ?!?!"
14:21 mircea_popescu i'll tell you where : bitch only "learned" it to protect something else thereby.
14:21 asciilifeform well he wants , roughly, the effect ( 'get my 1972 academy of sciences again' or the like) but has no possibly correct priors on which to work. hence shaman's radio.
14:22 mircea_popescu and therein is the problem entire : he wants, and thereby he can never escape the inca. let him want somewhere else, he's soiling my floors.
14:22 asciilifeform what , in the abstract, does he want, that mircea_popescu finds intrinsically retarded ?
14:22 asciilifeform ( i can name example, but curious re what mircea_popescu has in mind )
14:23 mircea_popescu the fact that he wants, i find intrinsically retarded.
14:23 asciilifeform he's not the 1st, nor last, to admit to wishing for a pre-1993 net
14:23 mircea_popescu it's one thing to "wouldn't it be nice..."/
14:23 mircea_popescu it's anotehr thing to "shit, this train's going the wrong way"
14:24 mircea_popescu it's quite another thing to wants ; and yes, he definitely wants, because if he didn't he'd just proceed from cause and would have been here begging his pardons upon the first time he read the logs, rather than fail to do so the 500th.
14:24 asciilifeform chukcha shaman is not lost soul because he wants to communicate over 100km distance, he's a lost soul because he hasn't heard of hertz or maxwell's or at all touched the relevant material
14:25 mircea_popescu no, he's lost soul because he wants to communicate. that upon so wanting he then proceeds to "sate" that want "as best can be done" is not even separable.
14:25 mircea_popescu the only correct approach is "i couldn't give less of a shit about all of it and what's this do ?!"
14:26 mircea_popescu hence the whole http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ discussion and so on.
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14:26 asciilifeform this is much higher bar than mastering integrals and building radio.
14:26 mircea_popescu not at all.
14:27 mircea_popescu it is the natural state ; the idiocy is ~inculcated~, by idiot mothers principally, through ~sexual abuse of children~.
14:27 mircea_popescu that's what it is : he wants, and thereby i know he was raped as a child.
14:27 trinque was just about to say, he's praying, or calling for mother, on his blog there.
14:27 asciilifeform trinque: d00d's a christian, as far as i can tell, possibly (or not , i am not equipped to discern) in the danielpbarron style
14:27 mircea_popescu what style is that ?
14:28 asciilifeform 'trusts in allah but ties the camel'
14:28 mircea_popescu ha.
14:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: upstack -- do i misunderstand the model, or is the idea 'troo unbonsaikittened mind , proceeding from cause, will find the republic on own engine power, guaranteed' ?
14:30 mircea_popescu yes.
14:31 asciilifeform weren't as recently as yesterday, the thread re btc exchange rates, that we're a fairly small target in fairly large galaxy ?
14:31 mircea_popescu there's nothing ~creative~ here, in the meaning of creative of "you gotta say 39834908503485093485 and you'll never manage this magic number by trying numbers".
14:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, large galaxy ; dood was repeatedly linked from here etc. gimme a break, he knows.
14:32 mircea_popescu the other fucktard in the class was periodically whining his idiocy at me, if i recall.
14:32 asciilifeform he certainly knows nao, i left him a few comments, lol
14:32 mircea_popescu "never heard of allah" is a bit of a joke. got wikipedia, amirite.
14:34 mircea_popescu it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade ; b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them ; c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit.
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14:34 mircea_popescu what, is the proposition that i'm some kind of genius ?
14:34 mircea_popescu i'm no genius, i just don't lie to myself.
14:34 asciilifeform well i managed to escape finding mircea_popescu for >1yr ( and even then had to be dug up with excavator ) but possibly i went to wrong kindergarten..
14:35 trinque shit, we gotta hop dimensions and go save counterfactual alf now
14:35 asciilifeform lol
14:36 trinque take the example of esthlos recently, dood was being kinda hard to read, uncommunicative. I jabbed directly at forehead on that matter, and lovely vtron pops out the other side
14:36 trinque good example of working brain
14:37 asciilifeform trinque: sorta why i sometimes try and apply the excavator to other folx. but it to date always ended the same uninteresting way, and the most parsimonious hypothesis re why is afaik mircea_popescu's
14:38 asciilifeform !#born esthlos
14:38 a111 2017-12-16 <esthlos> hello
14:38 a111 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-16#1752137
14:39 asciilifeform oh hey thx phf , shows the link nao
14:39 phf in before mircea_popescu's "must be one line"
14:40 asciilifeform i'd be content with just the link
14:41 asciilifeform ~6mo from birth to useful proggy, is pretty great imho.
14:42 asciilifeform !!up nikki_ff_
14:42 deedbot nikki_ff_ voiced for 30 minutes.
14:43 asciilifeform nikki_ff_: do you know how to talk ?
14:43 asciilifeform !!up nikki_ff
14:43 deedbot nikki_ff voiced for 30 minutes.
14:50 mircea_popescu phf, it should be one line.
14:51 asciilifeform trinque: in trips down lulzmemorylane, asciilifeform blew a good % of 2011 on halfcocked attempt to get miner going on surplus-usg boards with xilinx fpgas (in varying conditions of mutilation)
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14:51 mircea_popescu anyway, no shortage of examples, trinque came in, asked specific questions, got specific answers, blew his mind away, changed his nick.
14:51 mircea_popescu or recently Mocky fellow. or so on.
14:51 mircea_popescu functioning brain is not imaginary object.
14:51 asciilifeform trinque: ( somewhat unsurprisingly, i found that they cut the tracks. bastards knew what they were doing. )
14:53 asciilifeform iirc trinque came in via ben_vulpes
14:55 asciilifeform ( to complete the lulzpic earlier -- by the time asciilifeform figured out how to pump in candidate-headers and pump out solved nonce strictly via the intact jtag header , diff was already up in the sky )
14:56 asciilifeform asciilifeform has lengthy personal history of traveling expensive, painful dead ends, and hence somewhat sympathetic to figures like dutch
14:58 lobbes Hell, I came in and started reading logs in mid 2014. Took me damn near 2 years to grok what I was reading and finally produce something useful
15:00 lobbes Lucky for me, my Ti branches were easy to prune: I simply had to grow a shit-ton of Ts
15:00 asciilifeform lobbes: i suspect that mircea_popescu nails it, prolly unlikely that anybody will ever overcome the radiation damage from being 70 y.o. and collecting usg pensions
15:01 asciilifeform it's rather like asking hiroshima surviver to complete in olympiad
15:02 asciilifeform ( possibly unlike mircea_popescu , asciilifeform does not believe that dutch was necessarily a defective 20 y.o. )
15:03 mircea_popescu !#born undata
15:03 a111 2014-10-17 <undata> mircea_popescu: ty
15:03 a111 http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-17#879132
15:04 asciilifeform ( dutch, for instance, signed up to shoot communists in vietnam. was this necessarily act of a defective 20yo ? )
15:04 mircea_popescu nope.
15:05 mircea_popescu i don't have any clue of what dood was when he was 20 yo ; but he ain't it now.
15:05 asciilifeform right
15:06 mircea_popescu wolf-child, incapable of speech, is also not thereby necessarily "was retarded 2yo".
15:07 mircea_popescu point is, when he was 2yo he didn't use his brain in the manner of people ; but in the manner of wolves. that window of brain plasticity meanwhile closed, and if he'll never be a very good wolf, he's certainly not getting to enroll to people university.
15:07 mircea_popescu and so is dutch stuck with the academia. and so is boring-40yo stuck with "her family". and so on.
15:08 mircea_popescu when we originally met, chet was more than twice my age. she got a divorce and moved to romania of all places. so no, it's not impossible. but then again, the chain of possibility is an ~unbroken~ thing, much like the chain of blocks or the chain of trust.
15:08 mircea_popescu if it's broken you can make predictions.
15:09 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824840 << why not save that shit for oh, iono, the DMV? do you tell the fucking IRS "i'll get to it when i get to it"? no, you stand in line/wait on hold for three hours, thrilled as fuck to say "urr, hurr, yes sir" at the endless tide of bullshit, then come here and practice what you should've said to them, to us? completely fucking misdirected.
15:09 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 01:55 cnomad: i'll get to it when i get to it
15:09 mircea_popescu and to bring this to a very plain example, the reason ~natural~ slavegirl says http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/#selection-3537.0-3539.57 is because she correctly intuits that the whole basis is "i've never said no to you", ie, unbroken chain of obedience. (and the reason she's a natural is exactly that she intuits this sort of thing, and so on.)
15:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: some folx are loose enuff in the glue trap that energetic particle can knock'em out of it
15:10 mircea_popescu hanbot, ikr ? somehow this never occurs to the idiots.
15:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, woman even said this somewhere, i dun recall where, possibly on one of her meanwhile disappeared blogs, that "i used to think my walls were white then you sat there and against your shirt they looked grey".
15:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i do not know where originally written, but it was reproduced in your obit
15:11 mircea_popescu what loose what glue trap ? you're either looking or you're not looking ; and if you're not looking a) age dun improve anything and b) god himself riding on a pogo stick can'd help you.
15:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, ah ok then.
15:13 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-333.158-333.312
15:14 mircea_popescu there we go.
15:14 * asciilifeform can usually peg these 1 or 2 nodes away from the epicenter in the graph, from memory
15:14 mircea_popescu and yeah, do you realise this, i wasn't even wearing black shirts until some point past bitcoin.
15:15 mircea_popescu if one's into sads, one should look at what's left of anarchism, in the contemporary pantsuit retellings.
15:15 asciilifeform what's left of pretty much errything, lol
15:15 mircea_popescu for some reason that was a most delicious unhappening & rehapenning target.
15:16 * asciilifeform brb,meat
~ 1 hours 54 minutes ~
17:11 ben_vulpes https://concorde.ua/rs/daily/item_72528/ << in bizarro international contract-rewriting news from last year
17:11 ben_vulpes "the stockholm international arbitration court cancelled retroactively the take-or-pay clause forseen in the 2009 contract with Russia's Gazprom"
17:13 ben_vulpes "While the rulings of the Stockholm court were not made public...Naftogaz managed to avoid Gazprom's major claim ... almost 60% of Ukraine's GDP", so is this "the poor ukranians can't actually even pay the penalty, so we're cancelling the clause"?
17:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the ukrs get ~phree fuel, for 'reasons'
17:16 ben_vulpes what 'reasons'?
17:17 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: chiefly that ru doesn't want a full blown syria on its border
17:17 asciilifeform ( it can absorb, apparently, a coupla 100k runaway ukrs per yr, but not 'all of them at once' )
17:18 ben_vulpes why the very expensive gazprom clause then?
17:19 asciilifeform gotta at least try to recoup cost, neh
17:19 asciilifeform observe that lolmart does not hand out food for 100% phree, either
17:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: there's a great deal of 'inside wank' in re mechanics of urkdom; for instance, a number of sov-era factories, producing e.g. rocketry gear, were stranded on wrong side of the border on independence day; and it took a rather long time to complete (afaik, it's largely complete) the process of replacing their goodies with ru-local production
17:29 asciilifeform ( until 2014-present round of ukrwank, there was not particularly large incentive to do said replacement , trade ~worked )
17:30 asciilifeform ru remains by and large the ~only trading partner of the ukrs (~nobody else wants any of their shit even for free)
17:31 asciilifeform for a while they have passable chocolate (roshen corp, having privatized su-era confectionaries) but today even it is inedible, having finally gone full bore soy crapola
17:33 asciilifeform the rocket nozzle etc. plants , from what i hear, are in full throttle 'termite hollowing' mode as we speak, being sawed apart and carted away by various foreigners for fire sale prices
17:34 asciilifeform ( the time for ben_vulpes to go there, and maybe do some hunting, is prolly nao or never )
17:35 asciilifeform the folx referred to in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818497 thread, were actually discussing the matter
17:35 a111 Logged on 2018-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform late evening, listening to elderly ukrs derp on shortwave re horror of their neet chillunz derping on ipnojes; where to read re antennae design; putin.
17:35 asciilifeform 2 freshly-unemployed , seems, engineers.
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17:43 ben_vulpes interesting stuff, ty asciilifeform
17:43 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: most of this, is no sort of seekrit, ftr
17:45 asciilifeform ( the ukrs are somewhat inadherent to even concept of secret, they make usg look light a tight operation )
17:45 asciilifeform *look like
17:46 asciilifeform they are also undergoing, since even prior to '14, a kind of 'reverse fire sale', with joys of the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498362 kind
17:46 a111 Logged on 2016-07-06 19:30 asciilifeform: last i recall, they fitted 'general electric' fuel rods to the 1 remaining sov reactor, it is a pop waiting to happen
17:47 asciilifeform dumping ground market ( while they've got anything to spend ) for rubbish that even ru folx won't buy
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18:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825578 << fuck them and their lukewarm http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-123.521-123.558 bullshit.
18:24 a111 Logged on 2018-06-14 21:35 asciilifeform: 2 freshly-unemployed , seems, engineers.
18:24 mircea_popescu whore GETS TO WORK. yes naked, yes on hands and knees, yes right nao.
18:25 mircea_popescu whore lines are "hey, do you want me to tell you a joke ? if it's not fukky you can fun me for free" not fucking hilary clintonisms & naggingisms a la "let me tell you some shoulds"
18:26 mircea_popescu in other words, elderly ukrs got insufficient assfucking, i hope their childrens get sold to fight in africa. what fucking iphones.
18:27 asciilifeform pretty clearly insufficient.
18:27 mircea_popescu if i can't something it's an argentine.
18:28 asciilifeform was the subj of thread, ukrs being given an undeservedly soft landing onto the inevitable spike pit at considerable expense , by ru et al
18:31 asciilifeform i've nfi how they've managed to stretch out their pile of su-era 'white man built' goodies, into ~30yrs of derping. must've been one hell of tall pile.
18:43 mircea_popescu or maybe the surrounding atmosphere also sunk
18:44 mircea_popescu but in other lulz : these little orcs here, they fucking love soccer. love it. and it's the world cup, and their group is... serbia. and brazil.
18:44 mircea_popescu it'll be a wonder if they score one goal. but they're excited!!!
18:45 mircea_popescu chicks in team colors going down the street and whatnot. banks falling over each other to sell world cup branded banknonsense
18:49 * hanbot fully expects the cr team to ask .rs and .br if there's anything they can do to help them kick their own asses
18:51 mircea_popescu poor guys ;/
18:55 BingoBoingo The orks here have... the saudis, Russia, and Egypt in their group
18:59 mircea_popescu uruguay has some history at least.
19:00 BingoBoingo Well, they have won. Their lack of ambiton though... Everyone is talking like making the QUARTER FINAL is the stretch goal they are cheering for...
19:00 BingoBoingo And they've won several times... plural I have been told
19:01 BingoBoingo First time they won was maybe a kilometer away from here though
19:11 BingoBoingo In a civilizations that don't have taboos against ambition, they'd be cheering to win
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20:24 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/14/if-not-one-thing-the-other/ << Bingo Blog - If Not One Thing The Other
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22:05 trinque a111, put phf's vodka down!
22:07 mod6 :D
22:12 mircea_popescu lmao wtf.
22:13 mircea_popescu but, to put meat on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825496 before cosmic rays fuck the wetware memory of it, the impetuus for c) was very much spyked, as per http://trilema.com/2011/economia-unui-joc-multiplayer-probleme/#comment-55648
22:13 a111 Logged on 2018-06-14 18:34 mircea_popescu: it took me all of half week to find the bitcoin-otc in 2011, and this considering a) i hadn't been on irc in a decade ; b) i thought computers are idiotic and computer dweebs idiotic-er still for simply being involved with them ; c) was looking for sufficient cause to dismiss this bitcoin bullshit.
22:13 mircea_popescu this very much ~wasn't~ the first mention of bitcoin on trilema, there's earlier march http://trilema.com/2011/de-ce-trebuie-protejat-angajatul/#comment-43648 and april http://trilema.com/2011/guvernul-cu-rata-de-succes-33/#comment-47237 mentions by a fellow named gheorghe
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22:13 mircea_popescu these went nowhere because a) not directly related to something i was working in at the time and b) not nearly as well respected source in my eyes -- though perhaps the order's reversed. in any case, it was very much "guy i know raised a sorta-objection to the completeness of my research which had to be remedied", and if one thinks the bias in such a context is ever anything but "get rid of it" that one's very naive indeed.
22:13 mircea_popescu anyway, the actual finding was july 22nd 2011 (as per authentic & historically accurate http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/#selection-1437.0-1437.47 ), which is to say THE NEXT DAY. no fucking half week.
22:13 mircea_popescu it's very true that i'd have never given a shit had nobody said something to me about it on my blog ; but it's just as true that ~the reason~ i took that stance was specifically that someone ~was going to~ say something to me on my blog, about that as about anything else worth the note, because that's what i built it as for fucks' sake.
22:14 phf please to disregard drunk a111
22:14 mircea_popescu and so no, there's no fucking excuse. if one has an equivalent of trilema, that claim may only be permitted to stand IF IT IS FUNCTIONALLY EQUIVALENT. if it does the same thing. i think nothing of, picking randomly, orlovs' blog, or yarvin's blog, or you name the idiot, anil dash, fucktard mcdumbsticks, whatever, BECAUSE their blogs don't fucking work. and "i have a lot of '''traffic'''" isn't a working, and "i get paid to ad
22:14 mircea_popescu vertise" isn't a working, and so fucking on.
22:15 mircea_popescu and if one ~doesn't~ have the equivalent, because one is a nomad, one fucking finds things on his own. i get it, not everyone can own a castle, to wait for carts of grain to come in for the market. fine. BUT ONE STILL EATS.
22:15 mircea_popescu this "i am a bum and i sit under bridge" thing is not a thing.
22:16 mircea_popescu check out how fast i type now btw!!! i took a class!
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22:46 mircea_popescu i suppose the missing crown on this entire thread is to be had by coming back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825478 and point out that currently accepted theorems, be they in physics, math, what have you, including whatever you wish to include, thales, archimedes, pythagora, descartes, gauss, WHATEVER aren't "things known to be true".
22:46 a111 Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
22:46 a111 Logged on 2018-06-14 18:26 mircea_popescu: hence the whole http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ discussion and so on.
22:46 mircea_popescu they're ~things not presently known to be false~, and in the case of physics they actually are "things we know are false but don't know where".
22:49 mircea_popescu what fucking "want". managing to sit on a chair correctly is accomplishment enough.
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