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00:15 deedbot http://thewhet.net/2018/05/mp-wp-fix-for-comments-vpatch/ << The Whet - MP-WP: Fix for Comments vpatch
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01:56 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799701 << esthlos, how'd you resolve this? I'm having the same issue with mp-wp saying php is missing the mysql extension, despite having the mysql USE flag set when I emerged php5.6. Full details of my issue here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zNr0A/?raw=true
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01:56 a111 Logged on 2018-04-15 22:31 esthlos: there's not even a mysql use flag, just mysqli and PDO
02:03 lobbes seems indeed no mysql for /dev-lang/php (but then.. how did you get mp-wp working if mysqli evidently can't cut the mustard and no mysql O_o) >> https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lang/php
02:04 * lobbes off to bed-world
~ 4 hours 32 minutes ~
06:36 deedbot http://ave1.org/2018/convert-a-tmsr-key-to-pgp/ << ave1 - Convert a TMSR key to PGP
~ 1 hours 57 minutes ~
08:34 phf ave1: ^ patch and signature links 404
08:37 deedbot http://ave1.org/2018/pgpy-a-review/ << ave1 - PGPy a review
08:41 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819414 << i could never understand the charges: i always thought that bateman was very earnestly participating in all the games, but it's the world around him that was completely devoid of substance
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08:41 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 01:46 mircea_popescu: well, his principal problem isn't even that ; but rather that there isn't ~anything fucking there~. he'd like to have some sort of relationship with someone, but the problem is that he does not actually encounter anyone capable of it.
08:45 ave1 phf, thank you, should be fixed now!
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09:09 mod6 mornin TMSR~
09:10 phf howdy
09:12 mod6 how goes phf?
09:16 mod6 ye ole 170 bps move in .it 2yrs
09:17 phf mod6: it's going alright. i have this general fatigue that i'm having hard time shaking off, but i'm going to go to the ocean on friday for a couple of days, which ought to fix me
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09:18 mod6 Ah, yeah. Get some well-deserved time off. R&R for a few days at least.
09:20 phf it's also that brief time of the year in maryland dc area when the weather is _good_. the rollercoaster of winter is past, but the swampy oppressive summer isn't here yet.
09:21 phf mod6: you planning any vacations?
09:23 mod6 speaking of maryland, I saw that one town near baltimore had some raging torrents of rain rushing through the streets this weekend.
09:24 mod6 up here, we didn't even get a spring. few weeks back (it seems) was getting blizzards, now last weekend, it was 101 deg. F.
09:24 mod6 I'm hoping to get some vacation in, still trying to plan something. Nothing definite yet though.
09:25 * phf nods
09:26 mod6 Werd. I gotta remember to work on finding some time. Even if just a long weekened or whatever.
09:31 phf yeah that's what i'm doing, a long weekend
09:31 phf there's a kind of white trash beach resort area 2 hours driving from dc "ocean city". i've been going there with some friends first day of summer for the past few years for that kitsch americana experience: all you can eat crabs, dirty east coast ocean, trashy girls. perfect :)
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09:35 mod6 haha, nice
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10:05 diana_coman BingoBoingo, q re php version: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/28/learning-portage-together-building-php-5-6-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/#comment-115100
~ 17 minutes ~
10:22 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Answered http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/28/learning-portage-together-building-php-5-6-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/#comment-115101
10:25 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819338 << ty, I plan on blogging the rest of the walk to mp-wp on the rockchip so it is on the shelf for future reference.
10:25 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 00:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, nice work there!
10:28 diana_coman BingoBoingo, thanks; looking forward to the rest of the walk to mp-wp at any rate (I can see the appeal of ligthtpd for sure)
10:29 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819354 << You only have so many hands
10:29 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 01:03 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-28#1819336 << holyshit, BingoBoingo doing my chores for me! ty BingoBoingo !
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11:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ty for your tests! i have linked your pg from http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html now.
11:46 asciilifeform ^ now has link to mod6 , danielpbarron , trinque , and BingoBoingo 's FG tests. if anyone else posted FG tester outputs and i missed -- please write in !
11:48 lobbes BingoBoingo: I left a comment on yer guide re: php5.6 shitgnomes deprecating mysql in favor of mysqli. (Should be in queue). This will be a boon indeed if we can string all the quirks of mp-wp-on-rockchip in one place
11:48 mod6 I do have these ones too for the one hooked up to the rockchip, not sure if interested: http://mod6.net/2018/May/12/rockchip_fg_test.txt
11:50 asciilifeform mod6: definitely, turn it into a blogpost
11:51 asciilifeform mod6 et al : i'm still interested in , at least in theoretical stage, a less-retarded replacement for dieharder
11:51 asciilifeform but afaik nobody's hands are free for this presently.
11:51 mod6 That is the blog post :]
11:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it's FUCKGOATS, btw, not FUCKGOAT ( re: your post )
11:52 mod6 I can html-ify it for ya.
11:52 asciilifeform no need, i can link to as-is
11:52 trinque it is truly poverty for a man to only have one FUCKGOAT
11:52 asciilifeform lol
11:59 BingoBoingo lobbes http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/28/learning-portage-together-building-php-5-6-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/#comment-115103
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12:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819444 << and that's exactly the problem -- he was participating EARNESTLY. he actually tried to do well, and had the wherewithal to do well. he was, if you will, a republican lost in empire.
12:19 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 12:41 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819414 << i could never understand the charges: i always thought that bateman was very earnestly participating in all the games, but it's the world around him that was completely devoid of substance
12:20 mircea_popescu they don't earnestly try. that's the fucking point, when presented a paper car you don't ernestly try to drive it ; when presented a "social justice" truth / "Global warming" science etc religious nonsense you don't earnestly try to verify it. you're supposed to be excited and fucking clap, what the fuck, they're filming the advertising not asking you what you think.
12:22 mircea_popescu what if girly in $advertising twiddled her nose and went "meh..." ?!
12:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819451 << and if not, try antibiotics.
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12:28 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 13:17 phf: mod6: it's going alright. i have this general fatigue that i'm having hard time shaking off, but i'm going to go to the ocean on friday for a couple of days, which ought to fix me
12:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819461 << hey, i know a place or two like that around cape cod! though they usually don't get wet.
12:31 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 13:31 phf: there's a kind of white trash beach resort area 2 hours driving from dc "ocean city". i've been going there with some friends first day of summer for the past few years for that kitsch americana experience: all you can eat crabs, dirty east coast ocean, trashy girls. perfect :)
12:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was thinking re detail of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819365 : theoretically a pure shitcoin<->btc transmutator, does not need gox in the loop, if shitcoin ~buyers~ could be persuaded to visit it and buy
12:34 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 01:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ideally interfaces with all the goxen.
12:35 mircea_popescu this imo is involving the wrong end of the vagina.
12:35 asciilifeform ( obvious problem -- the 'buyers' aint human, they consist solely of goxen, quite likely. still could outsource the chore of ferrying shitcoin to gox, and consider the two subsystems as independent )
12:36 mircea_popescu most of the goxen have "api"s .
12:38 asciilifeform they appear to. however they also insist on various idiocies, 'accounts', '2factor'-whatevers, various caltrops to attempt to prevent precisely such automation
12:38 asciilifeform it can be worked around, but game is probably not worth the candles, considering what folx are typically willing to pay for transmuting shitcoin
12:40 mircea_popescu note that i was talking to jurov. considering he's intelligent and seems maybe interested (hard to tell, he's so quiet), and considering he's not currently doing anything, the marginal cost in republican terms is 0.
12:41 asciilifeform right
12:42 mircea_popescu the marginal utility is not 0, ill throw some ex-coin in the hopper if it's made.
12:42 asciilifeform i suspect the result will be interesting mostly as a 'journal of negative results' item. ( gox, for instance, can quietly swallow coin, once it cottons on to who's using api, and why . asciilifeform's acct, last time around, was -- interestingly -- closed by goxkeeper , tho a coupla days too late to have any effect )
12:43 mircea_popescu ha.
12:44 asciilifeform sorta was my point : it isn't that no one can build a convenient ( from user pov ) transmutation reactor ! it can be built. but operation will inevitably involve good deal of regular sweat from the operator, negating most of the automation.
12:45 asciilifeform setting up nodes to actually do the deed of shitcoin removal and movement, for instance, is ( at least in asciilifeform's experience last summer ) a first class bitch
12:47 asciilifeform ( the folx running the 'shitcoin is worth something' theatre, have substantial interest in nobody actually running nodes but themselves , etc , this prolly is obvious to the alert reader )
12:48 ben_vulpes the electrum forks make it pretty simple in my experience.
12:48 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: electrum is poison
12:48 asciilifeform you are operating nodeless, in effect, when you use it as replacement for own node.
12:49 ben_vulpes i'm not using it as a node, i'm using it as a scalpel to slice flesh off altcoiners
12:49 ben_vulpes so what if it's rusty
12:49 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: same problem applies to using it to move shitcoins, as in bitcoin
12:49 asciilifeform i.e. you are relying on somebody else's node .
12:50 asciilifeform if you wouldn't move own bitcoin this way, why wouldja move own shitcoin (worth, nominally, a qty of bitcoin) with it.
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12:51 BingoBoingo Expediancy
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12:51 trinque because it's an optimization problem with a disposable item as one of the terms
12:51 trinque I guess asciilifeform never had the proverbial beater car
12:51 ben_vulpes ^
12:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, hey, at least documenting the lulz "everyone knows" where everyone takes value from the set of 5 folk who went to the same state street kindergarten we did...
12:51 asciilifeform trinque: i dun think i've ever driven anything but 'beater car'
12:52 ben_vulpes there are things for which i care about maintaining the tree of inputs that resulted in my balance, and there's ephemeral shit
12:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819514 << because it isn't, lmao.
12:52 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 16:50 asciilifeform: if you wouldn't move own bitcoin this way, why wouldja move own shitcoin (worth, nominally, a qty of bitcoin) with it.
12:52 ben_vulpes once it turns into a real item, aka bitcoin, i care. until then, nop
12:53 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i guess we can revisit this hypothesis when somebody asks your bot to transmute 100btc worth of shitcoin, and hostile upstream node bamboozles yer electrum into sending it to hitler.
12:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, so you advertise a tx limit.
12:53 mircea_popescu "nothing over 1 btc plox, we're using a friable stack"
12:53 mircea_popescu and if it blows up, in lieu of the product you give the victims a signed full description of what happened.
12:54 asciilifeform sorta like, you dun care necessarily if somebody steals a turd that a bird shat into your garden. but on other hand, if somali pirates steal a tanker of guano from your guano fleet...
12:54 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: how would this bamboozling work, operator still supplies address to spend to
12:54 mircea_popescu item is far, far from "no marginal utility", identified a bunch of significant valuable outputs from it.
12:54 ben_vulpes afaik, the option to bamboozle is in withholding outputs or supplying synthetics
12:55 mircea_popescu especially the 2nd order effect of "mandated post-mortems", none of that inept shit where freenode announces it was nsa infected, promises write-up, then forgets it did and replaces everyone involved.
12:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819515 << expedient, expediency.
12:55 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 16:51 BingoBoingo: Expediancy
12:55 asciilifeform lol re fleanode -- this was at least... 3rd time? ( and that's merely since asciilifeform tuned in )
12:56 mircea_popescu i'm just talking about the one they themselves identified, 3 years ago or so.
12:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-19#1410185 << they wiped the old articles, note this goes to root now
12:57 a111 Logged on 2016-02-19 15:24 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> so now with https://blog.freenode.net/2016/02/recent-events-and-future-changes/ it is probably a good time to point out that i've been trying to get you people a server for maybe three years now. are you still unable to be helped or has that bad habit of the past changed also ? kloeri ? mist ? or who do i talk to.
12:57 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i seem to recall electrum being one of those turds that ~nobody was able to get to even build, and ~all of the users used a binturd, which at least 1nce turned out to contain straight back orifice
12:58 mircea_popescu this is correct.
12:59 asciilifeform and mircea_popescu's pill, of limiting payload mass per shot, is prolly The Right Thing ( tho keep in mind that, given the erratic block production of typical shitfork, it will make for a quite slow and volatile dumping )
12:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-14#873009 << this item.
12:59 a111 Logged on 2014-10-14 17:07 asciilifeform: https://www.nccgroup.com/en/blog/2014/10/analysis-of-the-linux-backdoor-used-in-freenode-irc-network-compromise << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2014#807732
12:59 BingoBoingo Slow and volatile dumping is desirable for damaging shitfork credibility
13:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-31#1000330 is gone etc.
13:01 a111 Logged on 2015-01-31 21:23 mircea_popescu: http://blog.freenode.net/2014/10/server-issues-update/
13:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that , and last week's , and at least 1nce between the 2
13:02 mircea_popescu anyway. rather than the transparent shenanigans, it is of greater concern that ~no one is on freenode. i mean, the fucktards in #lisp still, TO THIS DAY, haven't yet figured their way out of the paper bag of my asking "hey folk, would you like a candi_lustt ?".
13:02 mircea_popescu there's 20k or whatever who connect, and 99% of the humans involved are on #trilema, it's ridiculous.
13:02 asciilifeform ( and for some reason they announced it via spamatron ? or whole thing, disinfo? i've neither any idea, nor particularly care... http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-26#363971 )
13:02 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-05-26 18:13 Neru: Global Notice] Hello freenode, you may have noticed 2 days ago many users got logged out of their NickServ accounts. After our investigation, we have come to the conclusion one or more of our sponsored servers have been compromised. Please change your password IMMEDIATELY. More details are available in #freenode with the command !help
13:03 asciilifeform ( consider, why in some chans but not other ? )
13:04 asciilifeform https://freenode.net/news/services-maintenance-password-security << squidink in re last wk's lulz
13:04 mircea_popescu i honestly can't be arsed.
13:05 mircea_popescu we know it's a thoroughly despisable piece of shit.
13:05 asciilifeform aha, pretty tedious
13:06 asciilifeform 'Unfortunately, some people have used this opportunity to spread some misinformation, claiming that "all passwords have been released". This is not the case; there has been no threat to account security due to this incident. Additionally, we do not store passwords in a recoverable form at all.' << i've a bridge to sell.
13:08 mircea_popescu whatevert.
13:11 mircea_popescu the true part (there's no threat to account security) comes from the fact we don't even use their derpy scheme.
13:12 asciilifeform iirc we still have a nonfatal headache potential baked in, if fleanode walks away somebody's nick
13:12 mircea_popescu ~= banning neh ?
13:12 asciilifeform ( or am i mistaken ? trinque , if can't use nick, can still auth with deedbot ? or not )
13:12 mircea_popescu there's no "auth". there's just voice. and as douchebag aptly pointed out, if you change the name nothing happens.
13:13 mircea_popescu so... we've actually designed around them. dun dun dun.
13:13 asciilifeform ( then apparently trinque fixed this and asciilifeform slept through )
13:13 mircea_popescu what was your idea of "auth" ?
13:13 asciilifeform voice, i meant
13:13 mircea_popescu it's how it always work.
13:14 mircea_popescu we specifically took out the gribble "functionality" of "auth state" ; nanotube was to fix his bot to match but then opted to silently not to, ended up negrated for it.
13:14 asciilifeform i thought he was negrated for desertion
13:14 BingoBoingo It's a collection of related disfunctions
13:14 mircea_popescu usually cancer presents as a ball of pasta.
13:16 trinque deedbot doesn't require you be auth'd to nickserv, but does challenge you based on the nick with which you're speaking to it.
13:17 asciilifeform aha, so not 100% cured , then ?
13:18 mircea_popescu you have 30 seconds to do it.
13:18 asciilifeform iirc if nick is proper-banned, you can't sit in it even for 30s
13:19 trinque if the circumstance arose where somebody lifted "asciilifeform" I wouldn't be opposed to changing the alias string for same key to "alfredalfer" as I've handled expired keys in the past, by proving control of key to me
13:19 mircea_popescu which is why i said, ~= banning
13:19 mircea_popescu trinque, eventually, the cost of inept hoops exceeds the cost of let's just move.
13:19 trinque indeed
13:20 mircea_popescu which is what's his interest in all this, i dunno why he recently figured out he wants a special irc network.
13:20 asciilifeform lolrecently
13:21 trinque asciilifeform: have you considered a decentralized design for an IRC replacement?
13:21 * trinque ducks
13:21 asciilifeform lol
13:28 mircea_popescu trinque, the whole fucking idea is to replace it once and good, with gossipd.
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13:28 mircea_popescu wtf do i want to reimplement bs irc, end up with a dead genesis that we won't use.
13:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, the issue isn't whether we should have proper rt comms ; the issue is why the fuck would i want an intermediate step here. i don't, it's a great way to waste manhours.
13:29 asciilifeform generally you wouldn't
13:30 asciilifeform however it is not necessarily the case that it'd be a total writeoff. a irc frontend for gossip station would ( iirc we discussed this ) not be useless, it would eliminate the chore of writing chat clients
13:30 asciilifeform so potentially the genesis would not be junk, but could be productively reused.
13:31 asciilifeform ( naturally you'd run the frontend on localhost strictly )
13:31 trinque mircea_popescu: I was trolling alf here.
13:31 trinque obviously I've been here for those threads.
13:31 mircea_popescu right.
13:32 asciilifeform trinque: it's a valid q imho, tho, whether an adatronic irc oughta be baked
13:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, only after cuntoo is properly made.
13:32 mircea_popescu so far we're having some trouble getting the whole shebang to do eulora server, and so on.
13:32 mircea_popescu there's a progression to things.
13:33 asciilifeform hm i thought the eulora server was up and going ??
13:33 asciilifeform ( or was mircea_popescu trying to put it on arm box , and waiting for arm gnat ? )
13:35 mircea_popescu you were there for the threads, neh, diana_coman working with ave1 to get it going ?
13:36 asciilifeform right; however i do not currently grasp where it fits in ( i delivered and gentooized a large amd64 box for s.mg; thought it was to be eulora server )
13:36 asciilifeform incidentally i have ave1's latest tarball queued up for testing at nightfall.
13:37 mircea_popescu nobody's saying we don't have the parts or that they can't be made or anything.
13:41 * trinque has for example been chewing through everything that moved out from under his last cuntoo build script.
13:41 asciilifeform trinque: moved out ?
13:41 trinque debugging a busybox ebuild
13:42 trinque asciilifeform: yes, shitgnomes in both the gentoo and musl-overlay portage trees continued their brownian motion and diana_coman for example couldn't build, one day
13:42 asciilifeform aaaaaaa tarballs
13:42 trinque not only, they delete ebuilds
13:43 asciilifeform trinque: would there be value in offering my /usr/portage/distfiles as a mirror ?
13:43 trinque so I wont be making a release until I again have a whole-item which builds, and then there'll be a genesis vpatch for the portage tree, and goodbye emerge --sync, and layman, and every other external political dependency
13:44 asciilifeform ( on dulap, it's only 900MB, incidentally )
13:44 asciilifeform and also incidentally, every rockchip box contains a complete /usr/portage/distfiles reflecting every single item present on that box ( as i emerged world prior to making master image )
13:45 trinque there'll be a whole archeological process of making vpatches for useful ebuilds, but the initial item needs to be small as possible
13:45 trinque and it'll still be a trb-sized genesis of a "found item"
13:45 asciilifeform trinque: imho the rockchip set is your best bet then. it is as minimal as i knew how to make.
13:45 asciilifeform ( keeping in mind that it includes no musltronicity patches )
13:46 trinque I already have this minimal set, but thanks
13:46 asciilifeform anyone who doesn't have it -- can extract it trivially from http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 ball
13:46 trinque what moved is the constellations of musl and non-musl versions of ebuilds; gotta align the stars again, then take a picture
13:46 asciilifeform ^ signed, observe, as 'found turd'
13:47 asciilifeform ^ yes, there is a asciilifeform-signed curated gentoo set !
13:47 asciilifeform there's nothing specifically arm-istic about it, either, same tarballs as used on x86 boxen
13:48 asciilifeform the only variant src item is the kernel ( it has rockchip-specific modules )
13:48 asciilifeform full src is in all of the rk boxen.
13:49 mircea_popescu the concept of "political dependency" is actually a rather important one. it most valuably organizes the world.
13:49 mircea_popescu there's meaning derived from meaning and then there's meaning derived from authority, and the shitgnomes trying to pretend equality only confuses matters.
13:50 asciilifeform the set of 'meanings derived from meaning' accessible in practical work is quite small.
13:50 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform works on expanding it, but it is a very painful uphill climb )
13:51 mircea_popescu and yet the pretense is ~every fucking time~ that "science" and bla bla.
13:51 mircea_popescu but obviously, one direct measure of "getting away from marxism-leninism" is "how much shit needs stalin notes".
13:51 asciilifeform ahaha yes the 'science' where 'can haz rawdata.txt ?' 'fuckoff terrorist'
13:52 mircea_popescu more in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 vein of nonsense
13:52 a111 Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
13:52 mircea_popescu "the world", don't you know. which world ? "oh, you know, the imaginary item we produced". what we ?
13:52 trinque or the OS build process that says "first you go see usg.google.gentoo"
13:52 mircea_popescu quite.
13:52 asciilifeform trinque: dun forget to install the usg root certs!111111
13:53 asciilifeform ( without which, lulzily, won't even see usg.google.* )
14:01 asciilifeform upstack : congrats to BingoBoingo , subscriber of the last ( in pilot plant ) rockchip !!
14:01 asciilifeform all 6 units currently occupied !
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14:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in recent lulz : asciilifeform ran into the d00d in http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-start-your-own-country-adnotated/ , in meatspace
14:33 asciilifeform turns out, he's burned out ex-physics , 1960s mit.
14:34 asciilifeform 'quit , didn't want to be yet another grunt on yet another particle collider', went into ordinary engineering.
14:35 asciilifeform d00d in his, iirc, 90s. so i ask him about ye olde 'sealand isp'. he waves hand, 'eh, was lame, they could do nothing serious because upstream net access was easily cut'
14:39 asciilifeform then he conceded, more or less, that the whole 'micro-nations' crackpottery, was lame, for more or less the reasons described by mircea_popescu .
14:41 mircea_popescu hey. nice to know.
14:42 asciilifeform also revealed ( not in confidence, this was party with buncha folx ) that thiel ( apparently, friend of his ) is still pushing it, and is frustrated re 'lack of young people with any sense' , 0 takers to crew the lulztanker.
14:44 asciilifeform thiel, apparently, built ( threatened to build? i dun follow the subj... ) a tanker, anchor somewhere, and play similar game to orig 'sealand' . what he lacks, however is the business model ( apparently sealand had a business model, and raked in some dough , briefly -- britain had no commercial radio, at one time, and sealand 'pirate' station accepted ads from brits , paid through proxies )
14:48 asciilifeform ( cursory look at heathendom sources suggests that thiel's thing is finally, as of mar. 2018, properly dead and buried )
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15:21 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/kika/ << Trilema - Kika
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15:37 jurov mircea_popescu: yes I can do the exchange.
15:40 jurov asciilifeform: i understand you like to blow your fuses over electrum, but I do *not* use electrum online, only the code.
15:40 asciilifeform jurov: what means 'only the code' ?
15:40 jurov I feed it inputs and keys manually via the console, then paste resulting shitcoin transaction somewhere. That's why I said it's somewhat slow.
15:41 asciilifeform jurov: and how do you know what the transaction the closedblob output, is ? i.e. that it goes to the addr you gave (i.e. the gox's) rather than some other ?
15:42 jurov i have read the code
15:42 asciilifeform so jurov you actually got electrum to build ?
15:43 jurov you mean the server? yes, some time ago
15:43 asciilifeform i mean the item you mentioned above. that generates tx.
15:43 jurov the client does it
15:43 asciilifeform jurov please don't dance around my q, you know exactly what i'm asking
15:43 jurov not at all
15:43 asciilifeform are you or are you not using a binturd to generate shitcoin transactions.
15:44 jurov which one?
15:44 asciilifeform electrum.
15:44 jurov electrum is python.
15:44 asciilifeform and you read it ?
15:44 jurov yes, submitted some patches
15:45 asciilifeform ok, ty.
15:45 asciilifeform jurov: plz consider posting a signed (with disclaimers, if you like) tarball ?
15:45 asciilifeform of the thing that you read.
15:46 jurov mkay
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16:05 mircea_popescu jurov, pretty cool, let me know when you want it tested
~ 20 minutes ~
16:25 mircea_popescu in other lulz, someone made a porny dune 1 ( http://gamcore.com/games/behind_the_dune )
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16:59 Mocky what's the story on source code editors on linux? "emacs or gtfo" ?
17:00 asciilifeform Mocky: there's quite a few folx here who use non-emacs editors
17:02 * Mocky would love to hear about them
17:04 trinque douchebag uses Visual Studio (TM) on his MacBook Pro
17:06 Mocky what do you use trinque? (imma guess emacs)
17:07 trinque eh begrudgingly, as the most tunable pile of insane bullshit I can tolerate.
17:08 * asciilifeform hasn't met many emacsists who say anything other than 'i use grudgingly'
17:08 mircea_popescu i write most of my code in the terminal.
17:09 asciilifeform emacs is a massively tall rock of local maximum surrounded by ocean of boiling liquishit.
17:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm almost surprised you dun write it with http://www.loper-os.org/pub/podvig_radista.jpg terminal.
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17:09 Mocky I used emacs for a while and didn't strictly hate it, although i did strictly hate elisp
17:10 mircea_popescu lol
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17:55 mod6 I just ran across the c3 photos. But the date has me shook.
17:55 mod6 Was it really in 2015? Seems like it was longer ago than that.
17:56 asciilifeform mod6: apr 2015
17:56 mod6 Ok, wow. Seems like a long time.
18:00 asciilifeform possibly feels like this because, i suppose, different epoch.
18:03 asciilifeform ( c2 feels, to asciilifeform , even 'longer ago', epochally -- even such a basic thing as trb, say, did not yet exist )
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18:27 mircea_popescu lot changed huh
18:30 asciilifeform even v, started at end of aug of '15 -- months after c3
18:33 * asciilifeform remembers finding it odd that kako did not appear at c3
18:34 asciilifeform objectively odd, ye olde bbet was not only still in the saddle but riding at its peak...
18:47 mircea_popescu outside of driving range tho
18:48 * asciilifeform didnt drive there either, lol
18:50 mircea_popescu myeah.
19:02 danielpbarron Mocky, i use vim
19:07 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/muma-lui-stefan-cel-mare/ << Trilema - Muma lui Stefan cel Mare
19:09 Mocky vim, I could never get used to having modes. didn't feel right. but I know a lot of people like it
19:12 mircea_popescu how did that go, "to obtain random strings on linux, give a windows person vim and ask them to exit"
19:21 esthlos http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819254 << well, if you can find problems with my v implementation, i'd be grateful. any testing is appreciated, really
19:21 a111 Logged on 2018-05-27 18:12 douchebag: esthlos: what do you need pentested?
19:26 esthlos http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819437 << I documented most of what worked for me at http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/ , and my portage settings are http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CY9Vy/?raw=true
19:26 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 05:56 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799701 << esthlos, how'd you resolve this? I'm having the same issue with mp-wp saying php is missing the mysql extension, despite having the mysql USE flag set when I emerged php5.6. Full details of my issue here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zNr0A/?raw=true
19:32 ben_vulpes esthlos: what'd you do for theming? i just took a look at "toolbox" at BingoBoingo's request, have you ever touched that?
19:39 lobbes esthlos: ty. Also, I'm assuming this was on an amd64 and not an arm64 box?
19:40 esthlos ben_vulpes: I took the default theme (Kubrick), ripped out most of the php, and tweaked the css. at some point I plan to go through https://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development and develop a proper theme, but I've placed it as low priority
19:41 esthlos I also killed the part of wordpress which adds line breaks to raw html code, which I will make a vpatch for at some point
19:41 ben_vulpes nifty
19:42 esthlos oh and no, haven't looked at BingoBoingo 's thingy. I'll check it out
19:43 esthlos lobbes: yeah, not arm. based on https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lang/php the arm64 coverage looks bad
19:52 mod6 <+asciilifeform> possibly feels like this because, i suppose, different epoch. << true enough, Sir.
19:59 mod6 <+Mocky> vim, I could never get used to having modes. didn't feel right. but I know a lot of people like it << Vi/M can have a steep learning curve, but once you're good at it, it can ramp up your efficiency quite a bit imho. however, if you need something simple, there's always 'nano' or whatever.
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20:21 Mocky mod6, I don't mind the learning curve. Back in the day I used emacs in viper mode on a slackware disto built from a two foot stack of 3.5in floppies and thought I was the shit. but a couple decades outta that game, just wondering if there's anything new. The full extent of what I know exists: emacs, vi(m), nano, ed, ex, gedit.
20:28 mod6 yeah, not much has changed in the editor-game as far as I know. but i'm kinda old school like that.
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21:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2018/muma-lui-stefan-cel-mare/#comment-125841
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22:27 mircea_popescu indeed.
22:42 deedbot http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/ << esthlos - esthlos-V Genesis, Or: Who Presses the Pressor?
22:42 esthlos ^^ all
22:53 mircea_popescu opression!!1
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23:24 douchebag At the hotel I'm at right now, I have a perfect view of Trump tower
23:32 asciilifeform upstack in re Muma lui Ștefan cel Mare -- https://youtu.be/qNoc1-jk2sU
23:33 mircea_popescu kinda over-read
23:36 asciilifeform i went to look for voice, this was the only one that didn't, apparently , do it with mouth full...
23:38 trinque esthlos: well done indeed!
23:39 esthlos thankie
23:40 esthlos I should mention that I had some trouble pressing it using mod6's v. After the press, the thing complained that the hashes don't match. But if you check it manually, it works out
23:42 asciilifeform https://youtu.be/lXif1YplU7c << slightly better track, imho.
23:43 asciilifeform ( at least lacks the melodramatic 'warcraft II' bg of the prev item )
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