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03:51 spyked notice: I will be out of town for cca 1 week starting tomorrow, so I'll have limited access to my keys and I might handle e.g. feedbot outages with some delay.
03:53 spyked will keep on blogging, though. /me is looking forward to photo posts
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05:02 * mircea_popescu waves
05:02 mircea_popescu this is basically a drill.
05:02 mircea_popescu wholly mobile mircea_popescu works fine exactly as per design.
05:03 mircea_popescu and incidentally, trinque 's otp way the fuck smarter than gpg's ascii armor format, slavegirl reports. degree of magnitude faster wetware diode if one needn't handle the shift.
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06:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909943 << so far, "cuntoo" is the name we use for the republican os. this item will exist ; the question reduces to "how much work should i put into the framewire model of the future house". by this or some other name, all work we will ever put into tmsr os will go into wjat would currently be called "cuntoo"
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06:19 a111 Logged on 2019-04-24 20:47 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909552 << i grok this. the question is, how much work should go into cuntoo?
06:19 mircea_popescu if, in the flow of that work, we discover something important enough that it requires a change of direction significant enough to actually use a new name, it's still improper to say the work put into finding the something was either lost or "not put into ultimate product".
06:20 mircea_popescu so... all of it ? or how do you mean ? what % of your own worktime ?
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07:23 * mircea_popescu shall bbl, on mp_en_viaje . cheerios!
07:24 mircea_popescu hm
07:24 mircea_popescu !!up RubenSomsen
07:24 deedbot RubenSomsen voiced for 30 minutes.
07:24 mircea_popescu who might you be then ?
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08:21 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/so-here-i-sit/ << Trilema -- So here I sit...
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09:08 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909793 <-- link seems b0rken?
09:08 a111 Logged on 2019-04-24 17:13 asciilifeform: the orig nvidia simulators noosepiece , ftr.
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10:56 asciilifeform spyked: try https://archive.is/3bxUt .
10:57 asciilifeform spyked: re earlier thrd, i suspect yer real question was, how much work ought one to put into keeping unix on life support.
10:59 asciilifeform ( and the approx answer is, defo not zero -- right nao the choices consist of ye olde unix and this )
10:59 a111 Logged on 2018-05-29 21:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm almost surprised you dun write it with http://www.loper-os.org/pub/podvig_radista.jpg terminal.
11:09 asciilifeform e.g. an auto-installable cuntoo that runs on commonplace irons and includes working gnat, vtron, etc. would save massive amount of work, vs. current situation where 'oh you bought a new box? here's a buncha toothpicks and glue'
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11:10 asciilifeform ( consider, for instance, how hanbot's cuntoo experiment ended )
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14:09 BingoBoingo In local news, derps *really* want to chase Petrobras out... Despite Bras having hydrocarbons and the derps not https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/blog-en-vivo-segui-las-novedades-sobre-el-control-obrero-en-montevideo-gas-201942584431
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14:33 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/04/us-court-rules-in-favor-of-police-finger-forcing/ << Qntra -- US Court Rules In Favor Of Police Finger Forcing
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14:51 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/04/pantsuitist-loots-ngo-lobbying-to-get-un-job-gets-job-un-and-fucks-ngo-all-while-thinking-of-the-children/ << Qntra -- Pantsuitist Loots NGO Lobbying To Get UN Job, Gets Job UN And Fucks NGO All While Thinking Of The Children
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15:15 feedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08c-feedbot-iii.html << The Tar Pit -- Feedbot [iii]: the IRC bot
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15:33 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909564 << speaking of meat-driven OCR, I de-pdf-ed the miller-rabin paper: http://peterl.xyz/2019/04/probabilistic-algorithm-for-testing-primality/
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15:33 a111 Logged on 2019-04-23 23:03 asciilifeform: ^ and before mp asks, yes it's combo of manual typewriter and ink pen, and no it won't in a million years ocr, other than by meat ( and is largely schematics / waveforms anyway )
15:41 asciilifeform PeterL: nifty, nao just needs somebody else to do it again and see if ya missed a plus for a minus somewhere, lol
15:41 asciilifeform ( not a specific criticism of ^item, but rather the unfortunate reality of 'meat ocr' )
15:41 PeterL proof-reading welcom, I included a link to the pdf in a footnote
15:42 * asciilifeform brb:tea
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16:52 bvt http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1909969 << that clarifies the issue, thanks. i got momentarily confused because imho cuntoo (as gentoo repo snapshot) is too large to pull off http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909621 - i see no way to replace gcc with tcc and 'rebuild world' without rewriting ebuilds/getting a ton of errors; but should be realistic with something smaller (which i plan to do).
16:52 a111 Logged on 2019-04-25 10:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909943 << so far, "cuntoo" is the name we use for the republican os. this item will exist ; the question reduces to "how much work should i put into the framewire model of the future house". by this or some other name, all work we will ever put into tmsr os will go into wjat would currently be called "cuntoo"
16:52 a111 Logged on 2019-04-24 14:36 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909529 << the idea isn't to get tcc to compile ada. the idea is to destroy gcc -- cut the "useful compilation half" into an ada compiler ; cut the shitlands compilation half into a small weight something else. there is no republican future for gcc as a gcc in the foss / linus-stallman sense of the term.
16:53 bvt also, i was under impression that asciilifeform suggests to ditch C after getting sane iron
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17:21 asciilifeform bvt: sane iron is not expected today or tomorrow
17:21 asciilifeform ( how to build it -- asciilifeform and many other people know ; how to ~pay~ for building it, presently no one knows )
17:25 asciilifeform bvt: as for c, i described in the prev. mp thread re the subj, it can certainly ~exist~ as a zoological specimen on sane iron, as it did on bolix. sorta how you can put cobol on yer box nao if you feel like it.,
17:25 asciilifeform i.e. worx but in no sense 'primacy'
17:29 asciilifeform bvt: as for tcc , i suspect ( but do not know for fact ) that good % of commonplace linux userland is married to gcc nonstandard knobs
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17:29 asciilifeform ( we know that a 15 y.o. kernel did build on tcc sans eggog, but afaik that's all that is currently known )
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17:30 asciilifeform c lang 'standard' was such a sorry joke that this kinda thing is inevitable
17:30 asciilifeform i.e. there is not and cannot be such a thing as a nontrivial c/cpp proggy that 'uses only what is in the standard'
17:30 asciilifeform observe that (despite considerable sweat) asciilifeform was not even able to write ffa , on gnat, 'using only what is standard'
17:31 asciilifeform cuz all kindsa essentials , in unixland, are not in fact standardized in any sense (e.g. cmdline params)
17:31 asciilifeform or consider how ada standard omits 'shifts'
17:31 asciilifeform or.. could go on
17:36 asciilifeform re gcc, the obv. 1st reaction 'so fucking make it all conform to standard' leads nowhere, you cannot write e.g. a device driver in 'standard c' , as it dun give you even such basic thing full bitwise control of struct
17:36 asciilifeform * basic thing as
17:40 asciilifeform even positing pc iron and mircea_popescu's 'why not at least rewrite os in ada' , it isn't clear to me why you'd want to keep e.g. unix's retarded process model ( where process cannot , say, propagate an ada exception for sane eggog handling, but is stuck dying and returning numeric barf code ) if you do such thing.
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17:41 asciilifeform the whole edifice of unix is structured around the retarded semantics of c.
17:42 asciilifeform ( the concept of 'memory protection', for instance, is entirely a product of the tardlang )
17:43 asciilifeform ditto unix 'signals', structured entirely around lack of a sane standardized tasking system
17:43 asciilifeform i could go on for literally a week and not even scratch the surface of this house of horrors.
17:46 asciilifeform or, take the retardation common to all current pc os -- the explicit juggling of compiled binaries ( really compiled bins ought not to be directly handled by operator, but exist in same sense as disk cache , system as visible to user oughta consist 100% of source, and sectionally rebuilt when changed )
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17:46 a111 Logged on 2019-02-20 19:31 mircea_popescu: right, "compilation, you mean caching ?".
17:47 asciilifeform or... i sorta have entire www about this, so will stop here for nao.
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18:38 asciilifeform wb Mocky
18:38 Mocky thx asciilifeform
18:38 asciilifeform how's the gulag these days ?
18:38 Mocky quite good actually
18:40 Mocky ya know, for that kind of thing :)
18:40 asciilifeform 'работа стоит а срок идет'(tm)(r) eh
18:41 Mocky im enjoying the work and the learning new things
18:41 Mocky and the interacting with more people more often
18:41 asciilifeform woah -- moved into sales or wat
18:43 Mocky no but working on my own team is pretty much a cake walk so I'm branching out to helping other teams and meetngreeting across business units making myself generally well liked and enjoying new friends
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18:45 asciilifeform if it aint a seekrit, what do they make there ? accounting soft for ancient ibm iron ?
18:49 Mocky my team is writing an application for nurses who are giving care to pregnant chix in their homes, so they can access the functionality of their online medical system, while offline
18:52 asciilifeform must be well-moneyed chix, if they have personal nurse, eh
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18:54 Mocky nope, poor chix who have trouble getting into the dr regularly. Its cheaper for insurance company to run this in-home program than to pay for the complications that would otherwise occur
18:54 asciilifeform aa
19:01 Mocky spyked: how would you feel about changing your feedbot announce format from "~link << ~site -- ~title" to "~site -- [~link][~title]" ?
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21:50 BingoBoingo The latest development on the Natural Gas plant is... The derps left after the Police showed up.
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