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07:31 shinohai gm tmsr
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08:18 trinque anyone opposed to me removing pete_dushenski from the RSS list? this benchwarmer commentary thing is about enough. contribute or get lost.
08:25 diana_coman trinque, I agree
08:25 shinohai Certainly wasn't encouraging reading material.
08:25 diana_coman also: is ave1's blog in the rss list? I find it quite useful
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08:57 BingoBoingo Mornin' folks
08:57 BingoBoingo trinque diana_coman: sounds like solid ideas
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09:56 mircea_popescu trinque should prolly make the public blog rss thing a l1 blackballable item. ie anyone deedbot trusts can ask (in channel) for any item to be discontinued -- and it is.
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09:57 mircea_popescu then the corresponding can also be implemented (l1 can have any blog added). vaguely curious as to results.
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10:06 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/02/indias-city-union-bank-claims-2-million-usd-loss-through-swift/ << Qntra - India's City Union Bank Claims 2 Million USD Loss Through SWIFT
10:08 mircea_popescu in other news, ben_vulpes / mod6 , i had a good rant all summoned up on the topic of "motherfucker, after years of watching me do business publicly, including the lot with bingoboingo, you lot revert to the tardstalk style of 'secrecy' the moment gotta stop nodding along and actually put hands into pie".
10:08 mircea_popescu such a fine rant it was, too! however, i looked over teh pizarro logs, an' there's evidently no room for it. so good for you! my poor rant, now has nowhere to go an' nothing to do ;/
10:09 mircea_popescu meanwhile asciilifeform is actually idiotic enough to "hates my face" ? really, dood ? because why, because you fucked up, AGAIN, are fully determined to not fix it, and consequently "mp hates me" ? who the fuck do you think you are to be worthy of such wonders ? my hate, really ?
10:10 mircea_popescu "random guy i picked to treat as daddy refuses to '''prove his love for me''' ie satisfy my http://trilema.com/2009/exceptionalismul-feminin/ expectations and therefore HE HATES ME!!11". because the 9yo ego decides the relationships and stuff. nuts.
10:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is missing out on a great career as psychoanalyst ?
10:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for sake of argument, what means 'fix' ?
10:25 mircea_popescu i dunno dood, it's largely a personal matter. as far as visible from outside, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715079 is as good an approximation as any.
10:25 a111 Logged on 2017-09-16 00:06 BingoBoingo: !~step 1
10:27 mircea_popescu true, your addiction is not alcohol ; it is http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/#comment-1075 instead. but the differences are barely worth the mention, psychanalitically they both play exactly the same role.
10:28 mircea_popescu you're abusing time exactly like random housewife abuses benzedrine, and to shockingly similar results. apparently the quality of input meat reflects in the exoticism of the substance chosen, not at all in the path taken down adiction tobogan.
10:29 mircea_popescu which is a remarkable thing.
10:31 mircea_popescu (and, for the "missing out on career" random (and consequently almost guaranteed to run into grief) potshot : it so happens, like many other things do happen, that mp was in charge of a town at a point in its history when an amphetamine epidemic hit the (very, VERY competent, poorly equipped, badly overworked) medical staff. there was a lot of "x ?! x is beyond brilliance, there isn't a y surgeon like him mentioned in history
10:31 mircea_popescu , let alone working anywhere today". yes, sure, and he's doing 16 doses a day and he butchered two people, lawds mercy.)
10:31 mircea_popescu for his sins and youthful naivite, mp sided with the exceptionalism view way too long.
10:33 mircea_popescu but, for his wasted "coin", back in a day before coin was even invented, yet wots still existed, mp also knows as a factual, rather than guessed matter, what all is down that road.
10:38 asciilifeform i recall the story of the addicted surgeons. was there a ro trilema on subj, or only the 1 thread here ?
10:40 mircea_popescu i dun recall an article.
10:43 asciilifeform so then i cannot resist to ask, how did mircea_popescu solve the surgeons
10:43 mircea_popescu i solved nothing.
10:43 mircea_popescu what fucking solve.
10:44 asciilifeform well 'in charge of town' suggests a possible active ending to the story
10:44 mircea_popescu ah. yes, there was a year and a half long utter shortage of amphetamine. what can you do.
10:45 mircea_popescu "mp is medically illiterate and hates random doc's guts".
10:45 asciilifeform lol
10:46 mircea_popescu "which is why he sent his henchmen to break both his arms and each finger ; it has nothing to do with impudently ignored warnings."
10:46 asciilifeform but did it produce a sober doc , or empty hospital .
10:46 mircea_popescu a mix. what can it possibly produce, what do you think this is, the cartoons ?
10:47 mircea_popescu addiction produces sadness.
10:49 asciilifeform knowing only what's been said so far by mircea_popescu , it'd seem to me as if the story would have ended similarly, even had the dope never been discovered. unless the meth was somehow the reason for the entire town having 1 surgeon left.
10:50 mircea_popescu the problems of governance is that you're stuck choosing between 50% loss 55% gain and 48% loss 56% gain sorta deals. there's no "solutions".
10:51 mircea_popescu from the civillian pov, "yes, it's all the same". meanwhile 1% summed over ten thousand iterations, which is what civilisation is, comes to... guess.
10:51 * asciilifeform does not disagree
10:51 asciilifeform don't forget 'whom to send to plug what embrasure'
10:52 mircea_popescu 16358287111888959696680983838486196055353569.308466978, for the mathematically slow.
10:53 asciilifeform oddly enuff mircea_popescu mentioned time, and its abuse; asciilifeform is using a chess-clock system atm, has 3m remaining
10:54 asciilifeform ( after this, bbl in the evening )
10:54 mircea_popescu this is not even a bad idea.
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11:39 mod6 mornin'
11:39 ben_vulpes heya mod6
11:44 mod6 So reading through some of the comments, questions, concerns rasised by mircea_popescu, and diana_coman, I started thinking yesterday that maybe -- since there are specifically hard-to-draw lines between mod6's role as Foundation Co-Chair, ben_vulpes's role as Foundation Co-Chair and their roles as ``managers'' or ``management'' in Pizarro ...
11:45 mod6 there might be a better way to go about this without the Foundation's involvement. Like I said before, I could have just put up my own coin for this. Just again, as discussed yesterday, the thought was "Can The Bitcoin Foundation do something here to help Pizarro, for the Republic and the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole?"
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11:46 mod6 And I believe that answer, passing the smell test, was "Yes, indeed it can." "This is a useful expendature of the monies."
11:48 mod6 When thinking about how to re-structure, or re-word some of the Pizarro Charter, it becomes way simpler, and easier with The Bitcoin Foundation out of the equation. And probably would provide for a better structure, a more sound structure, perhaps.
11:49 mod6 I'll admit that how it is with the 1-to-1 matching and so forth with asciilifeform, seems to be a bit of 'bubblegum+shoestring', which, let's face facts, it is. This is somewhat of an emergency put together entity.
11:50 mod6 What I'm offering, if it is more palatable, is for me to return the Foundation's money and make that whole again, and instead offer up a 5 BTC private / or gift to Pizarro.
11:50 mod6 Of my own coin. (sorry, didn't mean to end the sentence ahead of time).
11:51 ben_vulpes not unreasonable, and it does clean up the ownership structure significantly.
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11:51 mod6 Let's discuss, and see what makes the most sense.
11:54 ben_vulpes i'd rather you invest those 5 btc rather than simply give them; it doesn't make a great deal fo sense to 'give' a notionally someday-profitable entity money and furthermore i'd rather you didn't just wash your hands of the whole thing if i can convince you to stick around.
11:54 ben_vulpes your public-relations work to date has been pretty valuable, for one.
11:54 mod6 I think I could be persuaded to do that.
11:55 mod6 Let's see where this conversation goes.
11:56 mod6 I'm gonna give mircea_popescu, diana_coman, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, phf, and others time to catch up and weigh in, if so desired.
12:01 shinohai https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html <<< "Harassment includes but is not limited to: Physical contact and simulated physical contact (e.g., textual descriptions like "*hug*" or "*backrub*") without consent or after a request to stop."
12:01 ben_vulpes it's gonna make things complicated on statements this month but i can handle that
12:01 shinohai what about *rape*
12:04 mod6 ben_vulpes: yeah, the SoBA is gonna be a bear this month indeed.
12:04 mod6 I also still plan to, if I can get a few minutes here, to publish V 99993.
12:05 ben_vulpes so ftr i've disposed of 1.16578854 BTC of the foundation's capital this month; 0.8 in purchasing mircea_popescu's debt and 0.36578854 in servers owned by the foundation; so the sum to which the foundation's piggy is involved is 0.8 BTC
12:06 mod6 That seems accurate to me as well, as the foundation owns the server assets.
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12:07 mod6 (worth .3657884)
12:07 mod6 Ahem. 0.36578854 BTC.
12:07 trinque curious what you gents think would be an appropriate foundation expenditure
12:08 mircea_popescu mod6 you can't have multiple managers. there has to be a guy that stops the buck.
12:08 mod6 trinque: This is a very good question, and so far, other than Pizarro, adds up to 1 renewal of a domain name.
12:09 ben_vulpes trinque: i maintain that the expenditures to date have been appropriate and legitimate, but am compelled by mod6's argument that actually embroiling the foundation in the ownership of Pizarro complicates it unnecessarily
12:10 ben_vulpes mod6: i think you meant "board members" upstack, not "managers"
12:10 mod6 mircea_popescu: I think the offer on the table, from ben_vulpes, was for him to be "manager". Am I correct, ben_vulpes?
12:10 mod6 Ah, yes. Forgive me.
12:10 * trinque does not take a position on whether it was appropriate in either direction
12:10 mod6 You are to be manager, there are to be greater than one board memebers.
12:10 trinque if discussing it, oughta define how appropriate is judged
12:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1784999 << there is, at the very least, a defensible strongline in there : "since the foundation is entitled in 1 per thousand from all income in tax, it is necessarily acceptable for the foundation to invest 1 per thousand of capital in any and all ventures, as a matter of principle. that chairs may opt to eschew this for many is a practical matter at their disposal".
12:10 a111 Logged on 2018-02-19 16:45 mod6: there might be a better way to go about this without the Foundation's involvement. Like I said before, I could have just put up my own coin for this. Just again, as discussed yesterday, the thought was "Can The Bitcoin Foundation do something here to help Pizarro, for the Republic and the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole?"
12:10 ben_vulpes trinque: "knowledge descends from authority"
12:11 mircea_popescu so there's necessarily nothing wrong with foundation being equitably involved. now, how much... well, this is more of an open question.
12:11 mod6 trinque: to me, it's not that expendature is inappropriate, that's not what I'm saying. I think trying to help Pizarro get off the launch pad is a great thing for the Foundation to do.
12:12 mircea_popescu i don't think it's undefensible in the least to say "well, item x has to work, we can't deny it capital, so we're there in the front line". which is kinda what it came to.
12:12 mircea_popescu but i also think it's sensible for people involved to contribute capital privately.
12:12 mod6 What I think is that it maybe clearer, better for Pizarro to have private investment -- especially since the two co-chairs are also going to be involved in either "management" or "board seats".
12:13 mircea_popescu so restructure the deal, have the foundation put in a bitcoin, get a seat for it, put a coupla bitcoin each of you, get a seat for it each, or whatever's convenient.
12:13 mircea_popescu the reason you made that a draft is so it's drafted upon neh.
12:14 mod6 Exactly.
12:14 mod6 Here's the thing, if the foundation gets a board seat, who is to represent it impartially or what not? In the given case where I have 1 board seat from say 1 BTC, and ben has one from 1 BTC.
12:15 ben_vulpes mod6: you and i decide who to stick on it
12:15 mod6 Can I represent the foundation from one seat, and then myself from another?
12:15 ben_vulpes i don't see why not
12:15 mircea_popescu mod6 nothing prevents you from discussing it publicly. "here's the issue before the board, here's what i think foundation should do, here's what ben_vulpes thinks it should do, this is what we'll be doing, comment"
12:16 mircea_popescu quite literally, "measure to so and so is coming before pizarro board ; ben_vulpes is voting x, mod6 is voting y, foundation should vote z according to so and so considerations..."
12:16 mircea_popescu there's nothing intrinsically wrong about wearing different hats. a situation can be seen from different perspectives, why not.
12:17 mircea_popescu in other words, there's no need to provision for "impartially" ahead of time, as you have a (working, proven) mechanism to realise that jit.
12:17 mircea_popescu (just in time)
12:17 trinque ben_vulpes obviously said it better than I could have. the foundation's interests are in bitcoin; couldn't be more broad a justification for involvement in society as the chairs deem.
12:17 trinque * mircea_popescu obviously said it better than
12:18 mircea_popescu o
12:18 trinque I mean, I'll be curious when y'all start an alpaca farm, but hey
12:18 mircea_popescu ahahaha
12:18 mod6 heheh
12:18 ben_vulpes trinque: socks!
12:18 mod6 ^
12:18 mircea_popescu hey, i took girls to llamas! WE ARE APPROACHING
12:19 ben_vulpes it's the most important thing one can buy with bitcoins dontchaknow
12:19 mod6 The smile on the llamas face was best btw.
12:19 mircea_popescu mod6 i thought it was more of a "umm... more of these ? ya ok."
12:20 mod6 heheh.
12:20 mod6 maybe so.
12:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785005 << what's your position there, do you want to capitalize ? to what sort of level ?
12:20 a111 Logged on 2018-02-19 16:51 ben_vulpes: not unreasonable, and it does clean up the ownership structure significantly.
12:22 ben_vulpes i'm actually thinking to capitalize by working on the thing; could easily eat 3.5 btc of my time in the first year alone
12:23 mircea_popescu yes, but this is an iffy point in that it's hard to guess how palatable this'd be to the equity.
12:23 mircea_popescu i'm not saying your work is worthless ; i am however saying it's a difficult to price category.
12:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785018 << how did it end up owning iron, i missed out on this.
12:25 a111 Logged on 2018-02-19 17:06 mod6: That seems accurate to me as well, as the foundation owns the server assets.
12:25 mod6 maybe mod6 gift's you 1 BTC for board seat?
12:25 ben_vulpes yeah certainly. for my learnings, how did you price chet's ssw's in the early days of s.mg? by having known her forever?
12:26 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i hadn't disclosed that yet, at the time of purchase it seemed appropriate to disclose in the monthly
12:26 mircea_popescu ah.
12:26 ben_vulpes but needed disambiguating now.
12:26 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes but those were ~warrants~ mind you.
12:26 mircea_popescu and yes, this is what would probably be a fine solution here, you taking warrants. if the equity value goes up you're obviously entitled to profit ; and otherwise... well... more work to do.
12:27 mod6 That may not be a bad idea. However, there's maybe a lot more that needs to go into creating something like that. Not sure what our time-horizon is here...
12:28 ben_vulpes i steal from teh best
12:28 ben_vulpes mod6: i can get this drafted with plenty of time for asciilifeform to review before his evening visit
12:28 ben_vulpes pretty straightforward, actually
12:28 mod6 Well, chew on this a bit. Let's think all this through.
12:29 mircea_popescu bah.
12:29 mod6 haha
12:31 mircea_popescu gullible fool that i am, i will even allow myself to be seduced into living the 5th point ; on conditions : to asciilifeform that he principally sticks to a timekeeping and scheduling method of his design, at the bare minimum the proverbial chess clock and corkboard ; and subsidiarily that he gets the girl to take a (~candid!~) shot of him with the instruments sometime this week. give the girl a camera, have her take a bunch,
12:31 mircea_popescu pick one and publish it. THIS WEEK.
12:31 mircea_popescu and to ben_vulpes that you will not allow the natural and understandable desire of strive avoiding to guide you into nonsense, but will firmly commit to clearly and openly discuss problems.
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12:31 mircea_popescu lifting not living heh.
12:32 mircea_popescu (instruments = selfsame chess clock and corkboard)
12:33 mircea_popescu and with that, there you go : have mod6 and asciilifeform each pay in 10 btc, have the foundation give out 1 btc also, making a total of 11 ; give tbf and the equity partners a seat each for a total of 3 ; have ben_vulpes and BingoBoingo get stock warrants monthly on some sort of agreed upon scheme and there you go.
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12:34 ben_vulpes well that's a doubling of extant capital commitments, but that works for me.
12:35 ben_vulpes i'll let the other two chime in.
12:36 ben_vulpes anyways, i appreciate everyone's time in refining the structure.
12:36 mircea_popescu wait what ?
12:37 mircea_popescu what doubling do you speak of
12:37 ben_vulpes "mod6 and ben_vulpes have extended 5 BTC of The Bitcoin Foundation's capital in credit to further start-up and operating costs associated with taking over the ashes of BISP and bringing a new venture to profitability. asciilifeform will match the Foundation's capital 1-to-1. "
12:37 mod6 So, let's see: 5 BTC from mod6, 5 BTC fom asciilifeform, 1 BTC from The Bitcoin Foundation = 11 BTC. One board seat for each of these; mod6, asciilifeform, and The Bitcoin Foundation. ben_vulpes, and BingoBoingo are to be given Special Stock Warrants for their work.
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12:37 mircea_popescu right mod6
12:37 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes this is rewording, not addwording.
12:37 ben_vulpes ah "
12:38 ben_vulpes "each pay in 10 btc" threw me
12:38 mircea_popescu o fuck, yeah. i meant 5.
12:38 ben_vulpes no harm in pedantry here.
12:38 mod6 It did me too, but I figured what he meant from 11 BTC total.
12:38 mircea_popescu none at all.
12:38 mod6 aha, thanks for the guidence here.
12:39 mircea_popescu anyway, 11 btc is actually a huge first round. you can always do an a round later.
12:39 mod6 I agree, on both parts mircea_popescu.
12:40 mod6 I hope that it would be an initial amount that will get pizarro off the launch pad.
12:40 mircea_popescu mod6 is it open for others ? or are you happy to keep it narrow for now ?
12:40 ben_vulpes we'll keep it narrow for now.
12:41 mircea_popescu works.
12:41 mircea_popescu hey, is this actually you lot's first start-up note stage thingee ?
12:41 mod6 Yeah, for me.
12:42 mircea_popescu amusingly, much in the vein of "all lugs tumble the same in the lug tumbler" point from before, this is ~almost exactly~ how it works in fiatlandia too. a week's worth of hairpulling and lost nights and so on.
12:44 mod6 I think it's worth it, to go through the hairpulling, to turn it from "adventure" into "venture".
12:45 mod6 Give it the best possible chance of success out of the gate.
12:45 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you committed to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785088 ?
12:45 a111 Logged on 2018-02-19 17:31 mircea_popescu: and to ben_vulpes that you will not allow the natural and understandable desire of strive avoiding to guide you into nonsense, but will firmly commit to clearly and openly discuss problems.
12:56 ben_vulpes aye, quite.
12:58 ben_vulpes and yes, 'tis my first round
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13:21 mod6 trinque: hey, suggestion here for deedbot.org -- A link from the homepage to the Help (help.html) would be nice. or i'd settle for one in the "frequently asked questions" page too.
13:22 mod6 (did I just not see it? maybe it's already there somewhere)
13:24 mod6 !!balance
13:24 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SJKf6/?raw=true
13:27 mod6 !!pay shinohai 0.03000000
13:27 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/l2z36/?raw=true
13:29 mod6 !!v 6488330E8BD5E2D68C38ECBAA9E71692D5D9241ECE339BD300AF99C402042DF5
13:29 deedbot mod6 paid shinohai 0.03000000
13:30 mod6 What a time to be alive, I tell you.
13:30 shinohai Runs circles around the original gribble wallet plugin.
13:31 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-503584.txt
13:31 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-506234.txt
13:31 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-507863.txt
13:33 trinque just noticed the poor thing was gagged at the UI level, thanks mod6
13:33 trinque and help link added
13:33 mod6 nice! thanks trinque
13:34 ben_vulpes !!up freakyfractal
13:34 deedbot freakyfractal voiced for 30 minutes.
13:34 ben_vulpes what brings you by, freakyfractal ?
13:35 freakyfractal howdy
13:35 freakyfractal had some time.. was lookin for an old friend
13:36 ben_vulpes by the name of ... ?
13:36 freakyfractal pretty sure it's shinohai
13:36 shinohai oh hai freakyfractal
13:36 freakyfractal :D
13:37 shinohai Where the bjeezus you bee? Thought you had been raped and murdered by thai ladybois
13:37 freakyfractal xD
13:37 freakyfractal raped not murdered
13:38 freakyfractal been working.. might be changing that up soon tho
13:39 shinohai Are you back in Spain yet .... or?
13:42 freakyfractal Spain currently, but going back to Thailand
13:50 mod6 Gotta few things to take care of, be back in a bit.
13:57 BingoBoingo <mod6> I'm gonna give mircea_popescu, diana_coman, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, phf, and others time to catch up and weigh in, if so desired.<< It appears my opportunity to worry on this came and was addressed while getting the tooth repaired. 2300 pesos. That
13:57 BingoBoingo 's 500 pesos less than a benjie
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14:12 ben_vulpes https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.06038 << "on a subset of 3,759 contracts which we sampled for concrete validation and manual analysis, we reproduce real exploits at a true positive rate of 89%, yielding exploits for 3,686 contracts"
14:20 shinohai I'm sure with time they can get that number closer to 100%
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17:41 diana_coman in lulz from the (eu)crypt: gnatmake helpfully complains about all sorts in a .gpr file; once everything is fine, it.. fails with a very informative "aggregate libraries are not supported"; and indeed one has to use gprbuild and nothing else for aggregate libraries
17:45 diana_coman gprbuild from adacore works however fine to build aggregate libs as far as I can tell
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18:07 mircea_popescu so wait, is gnat broken is the idea ?
18:09 diana_coman theoretically as far as I can tell it's a feature, not a bug aka "it's not gnatmake's business to do this, go use gprbuild"
18:09 mircea_popescu so you basically have to chain them, gprbuild then gnat-make the objects or what ?
18:09 joecool qntra interested in an exclusive?
18:10 joecool BingoBoingo: ^
18:10 diana_coman no, gprbuild is bright enough to do everything; BUT depending on what tools you have installed you can get weird errors when versions mismatch ; as we had experienced in logs before on various occasions
18:10 BingoBoingo joecool: Sure, what about?
18:10 mircea_popescu joecool im sure it is. gpg -aer bingo and p.bvulpes.com
18:10 diana_coman well, I can talk only about gprbuild from ada being bright enough
18:10 diana_coman as all my non-adacore environments proved a mess
18:10 mircea_popescu diana_coman so basically a rut is shaping up here, "use gpr from adacore -- gnat / others dun actually work" ?
18:10 diana_coman I would say: use adacore!
18:11 diana_coman nuke the gnu gnat on sight unless you have time to lose and hair to pull
18:11 joecool BingoBoingo: probable creators of bitcoin filed suit against each other last week, I have the complaint
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18:11 mircea_popescu joecool ahaha qntra is not publishing dumb shit about "probable creators of bitcoin"
18:11 joecool nobody else has reported on it yet, but it's only a matter of time
18:12 diana_coman fwiw re gprbuild the more I read on it the more I like it actually
18:12 diana_coman but again, adacore gprbuild, I can't vouch for any other version atm
18:13 BingoBoingo joecool: Write up a draft, if it's good it gets published but the premise makes this seem unlikely as framed by "probable creators"
18:13 joecool mircea_popescu: nor do they need to publish it as that
18:13 mircea_popescu aite, so write the piece up, bb is around so it can be quick
18:13 joecool BingoBoingo: will do, I will not frame it as such
18:14 diana_coman when non-adacore, one easily runs into issues such as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745018
18:14 a111 Logged on 2017-12-01 20:27 diana_coman: aaand gprbuild 2011-4 apparently is strictly married with gnat4.6; gah
18:16 mircea_popescu diana_coman i guess once the eucrypt adventure is sealed a cover letter re ada-c integration may be a good idea, for future reference.
18:24 diana_coman I'll focus for now on eucrypt; it has anyway ada-c integration itself so I'll see what I have by the end
18:24 shinohai "Probable creators of Bitcoin" such lulz
18:28 ben_vulpes i'm actually curious about the joecool scoop
18:30 shinohai Oh I'm very curious, wondering if this is a hoaxtoshi sham or what.
18:30 joecool ben_vulpes: i'm pulling the rest of the documents off pacer right now
18:30 joecool there's a few hundred pages
18:30 mircea_popescu scoops are cool.
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18:47 joecool deedbot woulda been useful for these guys
18:47 joecool we have paper deeds to sums in the hundreds of thousands of btc :P
18:47 ben_vulpes they'da had to have had the sense to use it
19:00 ben_vulpes i'm just going to grieve this beer: http://signage.showprg.com/GHC2017/day.php?number=4
19:01 ben_vulpes there are some gems in october 5th as well
19:01 ben_vulpes > effective, sustainable, and diverse search engine optimization
19:01 ben_vulpes WAT
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19:16 shinohai "BORG" lol
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19:32 mircea_popescu joecool "talking about bitcoin, even in a group, does not..." etc.
19:33 mircea_popescu im sure there's some poor africans in a center for businessmen "owing" each other trillions in notional btc as we speak, what's to keep 'em.
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19:48 ben_vulpes asciilifeform mod6, all interested in the evolution of Pizarro's corporate structure please to review http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5
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20:07 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i gotta say that i do not understand the point of the candid photo request
20:11 mircea_popescu people tend to (stupidly) eschew taking photos of the important moments of their life, and then many years later they're left with meaningless albums of circumstantial bullcrap irrelevant to them.
20:11 mircea_popescu it's a sad fate to ~act out~ your own life, of all things.
20:20 ben_vulpes sure. i'd hate to lose your custom or his capitalization over what seems to me a trifle whose import i do not understand in the context of the isp.
20:21 mircea_popescu i'm going out on a limb here. i get to say what are teh trifles.
20:24 ben_vulpes poor word choice on my part.
20:25 mircea_popescu why's it anything on your part anyway ?
20:27 ben_vulpes i worry it'll wreck a thing i value and have put some sweat into for reasons beyond my ken.
20:27 mircea_popescu and if it does, it does you the great favour of rescuing the future you'd have poured into something that, in the cold light of day, wasn't worth it.
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21:29 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: i gotta say that i do not understand the point of the candid photo request << There is a crisis of faith, and the request is for an act of good faith in addressing the crisis.
21:31 hanbot imo trinque's insight the other night applies here also: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784548
21:31 a111 Logged on 2018-02-17 20:21 trinque: this thing doesn't need any more chatter; let the parties working work, and see what comes of it.
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22:41 mod6 Evenin', just catching up here..
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22:59 mod6 Alright, one thing that can be cleared up imho: "asciilifeform will pay for the ticket out of his own pocket, with mod6 as backstop and ben_vulpes as secondary backstop."
23:00 mod6 Possible change to: "asciilifeform will pay for BingoBoingo's plane ticket home out of his own pocket, with mod6 as backstop and ben_vulpes as secondary backstop."
23:00 mod6 Just being a bit more clear on that part.
23:02 mod6 Question 1: Will the foundation receive any shares for it's 1 BTC contribution?
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23:02 mircea_popescu sure, when bonds convert, same as everyone
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23:03 mod6 Question 2: Where will the shares be issued? Or are they simply just to remain non-transferrable and a line item on the AN0 sheet?
23:04 mircea_popescu wherever it feels like neh ?
23:06 mod6 Question 3: From the language of part, it sounds like asciilifeform, mod6 and Both Co-Chairs can each appoint one board member. A total of three board members will exist. Can an elected/appointed board member give up his seat at any time for another person? Or if not is the term of the board seat for the existance of the entity?
23:06 mod6 "asciilifeform, mod6, and the chairmen of The Bitcoin Foundation will each appoint one board member, hire ben_vulpes to manage Pizarro, and hire BingoBoingo to perform remote hands labor."
23:07 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> sure, when bonds convert, same as everyone << Sounds fine to me.
23:07 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> wherever it feels like neh ? << Ah ok.
23:08 mod6 asciilifeform, BingoBoingo, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, any one else, feel free to weigh in on any of my Q's here.
23:08 mircea_popescu mod6 traditionally board membership changes are voted by the board.
23:09 mod6 Ah, alright. Maybe there should be a line in there about that, and perhaps unanimous decision required. Or something of the kind.
23:10 mod6 mircea_popescu: thanks for your guidence here.
23:12 mod6 Question 4: Where should mod6's and asciilifeform's, and whatever remaining Bitcoin Foundation funds be sent? Do we need a public address to pay these to?
23:12 mircea_popescu im guessing the manager holds on to them ? or yuou want a separate treasurer ?
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23:12 mod6 (That's all I've got for now, other than those things, looks pretty good to me ben_vulpes. Nice work!)
23:13 mod6 mircea_popescu: That might be something for us to consider, I do believe that ben_vulpes said he would handle this himself, at least for now. I guess there no reason why one couldn't be brought on later if the labor involved in that becomes to great for the operations manager.
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23:51 ben_vulpes mod6: be so kind as to comment on the post, my good man
23:57 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-20#1785233 << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784554 << treasurer still wanted, but i'll do the duties if nobody steps up; actually strikes me as a core responsibility of the manager of a bitcoin company
23:57 a111 Logged on 2018-02-20 04:12 mircea_popescu: im guessing the manager holds on to them ? or yuou want a separate treasurer ?
23:57 a111 Logged on 2018-02-17 21:13 ben_vulpes: i would also like to deposit these funds with a non-involved individual to seal in blood the capitalization of this entity
23:58 mircea_popescu certainly for low sums like this
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