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00:00 asciilifeform i have not yet attempted a musltronic one.
00:08 trinque ah, k
~ 4 hours 19 minutes ~
04:27 trinque does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary.
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04:28 trinque maybe what ends up happening is that I produce a "stage 3" that's already had this nonsense done to it, though obviously there's value in preserving the lineage (in form of a build script) from gentoo to cuntoo.
04:31 trinque well. that keybinding is clearly too close to another.
04:34 trinque anyhow weevlos, and all you miserable, worthless 4chan fucks. the fact of the matter is there's less than one part per million worthwhile human being on this wretched planet, and while I spent my evening drinking pinot noir and chatting with a worthwhile lass that bought me Feynman's Lectures on Physics for xmas, you spent it pulling your dick on social media. when the world turns over, you will have much
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04:34 trinque more to answer for than the people of walmart
04:35 trinque fuck you, die, and goodnight.
~ 6 hours 8 minutes ~
10:43 mircea_popescu !!up neur0
10:43 deedbot neur0 voiced for 30 minutes.
10:44 mircea_popescu here's a thing for the mechanical engineers in da hous, ben_vulpes asciilifeform and who ye might be : given two driving pegs A, B, how do you turn a spoke C such that it realises the DIFFERENTIAL A-B ?
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10:44 mircea_popescu !!up blazeme8
10:44 deedbot blazeme8 voiced for 30 minutes.
10:44 blazeme8 Morning
10:44 mircea_popescu how goes.
10:44 blazeme8 Pretty good. On vacation.
10:45 blazeme8 hbu
10:45 mircea_popescu pretty great myself!
10:48 blazeme8 is deedbot custom or something open source?
10:48 blazeme8 or both ^_^
10:48 mircea_popescu custom.
10:49 shinohai Feliz Sabado mircea_popescu
10:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757314 << the principal fucking problem with the rank nonsense we're using is that idiocy of "subkey". consider mine : if you encrypt to 2FB7B452 which ~is~ my key, gpg will nevertheless encrypt to 16B8E32E. because gpg will use the master as sign-only and create a "decryption" key "automatically".
10:51 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 01:55 trinque: in the past I have only ever made *any* changes to the deedbot keychain if the person can prove control of both keys, old and new.
10:51 mircea_popescu then to add insult to injury "picks the right one" also "automatically" at "any time"
10:52 mircea_popescu so in practical nonsense as grandfathered in, we posited already an equivalency so that if 1. something signed by 2FB7B452 and 2. somethinf decrypted by 16B8E32E then therefore 1 = 2 in terms of cryptoproof strength.\
10:52 mircea_popescu gracias shinohai
10:55 mircea_popescu so in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757315 which is on the face very sane, we are in fact in the situation of an undesirably very complex policy already. yet another examplke of what tmsr-rsa is intended to fix.
10:55 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 01:56 trinque: my preference is to not end up with some sort of complex "policy" around how deedbot should interact with gpg.
10:56 mircea_popescu (if memory serves the original split, design choice made late 1990s, was due to either suspicion or reality that either sign or decrypt possibly leaked bits ; the idea of separate keys is not even bad, necessarily, but this does NOT say anything positive about a clunky, ad hoc, untransparent and machine-automagical key hierarchy system. so basically, people probably will have at least two keys in tmsr-rsa, except they won't b
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10:56 mircea_popescu e clumped together into the monster we have now.)
10:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757317 << amusingly that was never discussed in practical terms.
10:57 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 02:10 shinohai: ( otherwise shinohai does not know for what purpose this exercise was done! )
10:58 shinohai I suppose it wasn't discussed, but I did rather enjoy the learning part of it.
11:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757320 << hey, i played with what must've been 38G! boobies last night, and the girl carrying them in the world was all shy and had never seen herself liek, prancing naked around the house. fuck yea latin america, pais de los tetonas lecheras!
11:01 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 02:16 BigTexasBingo: In other updates. Chica not requesting an assistance related to the bag snatching, but wants to cook dinner. Uruguay, fuck yeah!
11:03 mircea_popescu !!up blazeme8
11:03 deedbot blazeme8 voiced for 30 minutes.
11:03 blazeme8 ty... i thought i'd be able to do that myself through the bot...?
11:03 mircea_popescu !!key blazeme8
11:03 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/BA31C56ADA954AE6294B18E80E852B739BB7C3F0.asc
11:03 mircea_popescu blazeme8 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756668
11:03 a111 Logged on 2017-12-22 06:54 mircea_popescu: Techman say /query deedbot to open a pm session ; say !!up in there to it ; then return !!v the string.
11:04 blazeme8 when I PM the bot !!up, it says:
11:04 blazeme8 11:01:59 AM <deedbot> You may not $up yourself.
11:04 mircea_popescu this poor guy is going to now be highlighted every time noob asks lol.
11:04 mircea_popescu blazeme8 ah, no ratings. aite, lessee... what do you do, other than "downtime rocks" ?
11:04 mircea_popescu !!rate blazeme8 1 noob
11:04 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5yFwg/?raw=true
11:04 blazeme8 nothing that I want to share here :P
11:05 mircea_popescu that may be, but ~nobody will think very much of you without an actual identity.
11:05 blazeme8 man is born without an identity, how can one progress?
11:06 mircea_popescu no man is born without identity. if that man is woman she gets tits eventually ; if that man is not woman at very least has parents, some kind of history...
11:06 mircea_popescu there's no such thing as nude birth nor there yet was in the history of the world. everyone's born with some shit between his eyes.
11:07 blazeme8 well, i'm not interested in linking a 'real' identity. perhaps this is a waste of time.
11:08 mircea_popescu indeed ; nobody here is interested in your tulpas.
11:08 mircea_popescu then again, in due time you'll disover the ~other~ thing was a waste of time, odds are.
11:09 mircea_popescu the pompous idiocy of the zek, i swear.
11:09 mircea_popescu "oh, my real identity hasn't even started yet!111"
11:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757327 << this is a solid concern also.
11:10 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 02:20 trinque: just pointing out that I might be corrupting the youfs by not taking a firmer line on "put a sane single key into deedbot and always have it, or proceed by the *only* mechanism to change key, or die"
11:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757329 << nah, gribble auth was mostly fixed last split ; then gribble was going to be upgraded and never actually was.
11:10 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 02:22 BigTexasBingo: From gpg from gribble auth, from a whole lot of accumulated trash
11:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757338 << you know you're supposed to plan these for yourself so you yourself can then execute them! if you can't do it for yourself, what hope has any peon working under your management ? eh ?
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11:12 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 03:53 asciilifeform: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757328 , today's ffa-series item will appear tomorrow, apparently was too big a bite for asciilifeform's mere 1wk
11:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757354 << this is so.
11:13 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 09:27 trinque: does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary.
11:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757357 << this is an iffy point m'lord. i have a slavegirl that washes the floors ; the floors is where the cockroaches go. should she be punished ?
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11:15 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 09:34 trinque: anyhow weevlos, and all you miserable, worthless 4chan fucks. the fact of the matter is there's less than one part per million worthwhile human being on this wretched planet, and while I spent my evening drinking pinot noir and chatting with a worthwhile lass that bought me Feynman's Lectures on Physics for xmas, you spent it pulling your dick on social media. when the world turns over, you will have much
11:22 shinohai Did anyone here ever read the Bitcoin wallet plugin for gribble? I don't think it was updated (or in actual use anywhere!) but I think I remember axing it from jhvh1 because you could query any users balance with it.
11:24 mircea_popescu iirc it was "experimental"
11:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757362 << spur gear differential.
11:27 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 15:44 mircea_popescu: here's a thing for the mechanical engineers in da hous, ben_vulpes asciilifeform and who ye might be : given two driving pegs A, B, how do you turn a spoke C such that it realises the DIFFERENTIAL A-B ?
11:27 mircea_popescu iirc that averages.
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11:27 asciilifeform ( actually several ways to do it, because in actual life you seldom want tight 2way coupling of output to input shaft )
11:28 mircea_popescu there may be several ways, but differential won't do it.
11:28 mircea_popescu (this incidentally is fascinating to the historian of computing because obviously analogic computers work on crankboxes)
11:29 asciilifeform iirc the artillery people did it with worm gear differential
11:29 mircea_popescu !#s antikythera
11:29 a111 3 results for "antikythera", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=antikythera
11:29 asciilifeform ^ planetary
11:29 mircea_popescu ha!
11:30 * asciilifeform inherited pile of b00kz re clockwork
11:31 asciilifeform it was the kompyooting of its time. except : actually worked...
11:31 shinohai Bet those are interesting read, asciilifeform .... any digitized?
11:31 mircea_popescu clocks worked imperfectly even then.
11:31 asciilifeform shinohai: prolly, somewhere
11:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: physically, known-imperfectly tho. rather than 'js soup'-imperfectly.
11:32 mircea_popescu sure, i guess.
11:32 asciilifeform there's a quite substantial difference
11:33 shinohai Thermal expansion being major factor in inaccuracy of mechanical things
11:33 asciilifeform b/w object that is imperfect because of limitations of the materials, and one that is broken because of limitations of the designer, who was dropped as a child
11:33 shinohai (pendlums too)
11:33 mircea_popescu there's plenty. dilation, unhomogenity of material, necessarily imprecise workmanship, errors compound
11:34 asciilifeform dunforget fatigue.
11:34 mircea_popescu there can not exist such a thing as a perfectly homogenuous bar of steel for the exact reason there can not exist a perfectly detailed etch on its surface.
11:38 * shinohai suddenly wonders if pete_dushenski has ever seen those steam-powered clocks that are in Canada ....
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11:38 mircea_popescu incidentally, anyone know the ancient watt meter ? two pendulums with coiled wire.
11:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757381 << decrypt timing-oracle elementarily leaks bits.
11:38 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 15:56 mircea_popescu: (if memory serves the original split, design choice made late 1990s, was due to either suspicion or reality that either sign or decrypt possibly leaked bits ; the idea of separate keys is not even bad, necessarily, but this does NOT say anything positive about a clunky, ad hoc, untransparent and machine-automagical key hierarchy system. so basically, people probably will have at least two keys in tmsr-rsa, except they won't b
11:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes but they didn't know this then.
11:39 mircea_popescu !#s Pendelzähler
11:39 a111 0 results for "Pendelzähler", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Pendelz%C3%A4hler
11:39 asciilifeform eh it was obvious to anyone who ever heard his cpu bzz on nearby radio
11:39 mircea_popescu ha!
11:40 asciilifeform ( for n00bz : rsasign and rsadecrypt are the same operation, mathematically)
11:41 shinohai http://archive.is/Rtx2b <<< Treazon!
11:41 asciilifeform and yes it means that every time you publish a sig, you also thereby supply a 'decryption' for some random string of soup
11:42 asciilifeform shinohai: '... and plot!' (tm)(r)
11:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757425 << on meditation i will have to withdraw this objection. even if he didn't say what i wanted him to, solution is still correct (because there's no difference between "average stepped up 2x" and "difference" if you make sure the gears always run opposite)
11:43 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 16:27 mircea_popescu: iirc that averages.
11:44 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu wants a very specific function, he gotta say algebraically which. and the pile of gears will get gnarlier, quite quickly ...
11:45 mircea_popescu yeh. fair enuff.\
11:45 shinohai "Alteryx , a marketing analytics firm, left an unsecured database online that publicly exposed sensitive information for about 123 million U.S. households. "
11:45 asciilifeform !#s kurta
11:45 a111 1 result for "kurta", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kurta
11:45 mircea_popescu ye olde sunfunction clocks, rite ? some of the best piles of fine gnarl the world has ever seen
11:45 shinohai 1/2 the US!
11:45 mircea_popescu shinohai actually the us only has 90mn or so households iirc.
11:45 mircea_popescu singlets aren't a household in statistical parlance.
11:45 asciilifeform i betcha mircea_popescu would enjoy taking apart a 'kurta'
11:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform only if not expected to put back again :D
11:46 shinohai ah true
11:46 shinohai Naturally, this unsecured db was found on an Amazon server
11:46 * asciilifeform does not own a 'kurta', they are at this point museum-level rarity
11:46 mircea_popescu "Livermore said it would be “totally irresponsible” for the Ukrainians to allow Yezhov to participate in an official delegation if they had suspicions he might be a spy." << dude get the fuck out, total fucktarded imbecile.
11:47 mircea_popescu people let spies act unhindered ALL THE TIME. for the perfectly fine obvious reason.
11:47 mircea_popescu jesus shit the cardboard experts tardworld keeps "producing" in name only.
11:47 asciilifeform besides everyboddyknows yezhov was shot in '39
11:47 shinohai lol
11:49 mircea_popescu "a retired Canadian ambassador and onetime director-general of security and intelligence for Canada’s Foreign Ministry"f
11:49 mircea_popescu fucking canada. pretending to be a country, unqualified on the force of its inhabitants to be a deserted island.
11:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757415 << problem is that i'ma peon meself, in the saeculum, and all plans presume avgcase peonage load per time unit
11:49 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 16:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757338 << you know you're supposed to plan these for yourself so you yourself can then execute them! if you can't do it for yourself, what hope has any peon working under your management ? eh ?
11:50 mircea_popescu oh is that what it is ? usure you didn't overstake for the sake of imagined outcomes ?
11:50 BingoBoingo <blazeme8> well, i'm not interested in linking a 'real' identity. perhaps this is a waste of time. << The time one could take their time on this matter was 2013
11:50 danielpbarron !!balance
11:50 mircea_popescu trinque so are you ~9 blocks behind atm ?
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11:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what outcomes lol
11:50 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/E8j9s/?raw=true
11:51 asciilifeform and speaking of hasty and untested , asciilifeform has a 'aggressive sync mode' trb patch, which will need a proper differential test
11:52 asciilifeform anybody got 2 trb-capable boxen, on separate ip but equal in bw ? can be in heathendom isp or wherever.
11:52 * shinohai unfortunately only has single trb-capable box.
11:53 asciilifeform shinohai: i have moar boxes than could ever use, but few , sadly, pipes
11:53 mircea_popescu needs isp!
11:53 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
11:55 mircea_popescu anyway, speaking of not-as-dumb-as-average jews, hermann fambly, owners of radio works in berlin, sold 1935 and split.
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11:55 mircea_popescu https://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hersteller_detail.cfm?company_id=18
11:56 asciilifeform sharp.
11:56 danielpbarron !~later tell trinque my 1.5 deposit from the other day finally confirmed, i hope that still gets to my balance
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11:56 jhvh1 danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
11:56 danielpbarron apparently 0.001 is too low a fee now
11:57 mircea_popescu nuts heh
11:58 danielpbarron also my balance is confusing, is it possible for people to pay me secretly? it was higher than i expected (assuming the 1.5 is still pending)
11:59 shinohai This tx, sent from my trb node to bitpay, 0.00103098 BTC fee: bf5b74049c4b06ea3669b53595bc2c838025ad8b3adb8377212acd8fbeb72deb
11:59 shinohai took ~4 days
11:59 BingoBoingo In other news, the caterpillar store in Montevideo Shopping emphatically does NOT sell earthmoving equipment
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11:59 danielpbarron i think it was people frantic to send their stuff around over the b-crash coinbase party
11:59 mircea_popescu possibru
12:00 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
12:00 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15320.17, vol: 28995.46007089 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14800.0, vol: 79241.93770727 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15322.2, vol: 4792.30685388 | Volume-weighted last average: 14955.5795546
12:00 shinohai It was pretty rare event for me, nearly every tx I have ever sent has got in next block.
12:01 BingoBoingo A couple times migrating machines, I've forgot to implement sane fee and had to tack on a heft fee for a transaction involving the change to get shit moving
12:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: or could send doublespend, that always seems to get the original moving!1!!
12:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Aha
12:02 asciilifeform ( i still have nfi why this worx, but it never fails...)
12:03 BingoBoingo But last time such happened there was at least one miner looking a couple transactions ahead for fees
12:03 asciilifeform send the 2nd, naturally, to self
12:03 shinohai I always figured double-spend worked because miners chose to include tx w/ higher fee.
12:03 asciilifeform shinohai: oddly enuff, dun seem to be it
12:04 asciilifeform but it's been a while since asciilifeform experimented with subj.
12:04 BingoBoingo brb, shit to do before Montevideo shuts down for Navidad
12:04 shinohai Happy Festivus to all my fellow heathens
12:04 asciilifeform i'ma stfu and let the folx who actually tx every day, comment
12:05 asciilifeform ( mircea_popescu ^ ? )
12:05 mircea_popescu eh, network's unreliable in pretty much all the ways.
12:05 mircea_popescu also mostly works.
12:06 asciilifeform yea but, like-this unreliable, or like-that unreliable ?
12:06 shinohai Broken clock is reliable twice a day.
12:06 mircea_popescu more like this than like that, unreliably.
12:07 mircea_popescu in other "furious activity as cover for impotence", the string "&nslookup djY7ekWd&'\\\"`0&nslookup djY7ekWd&`'" is going to do something! maybe as a referrer ? maybe if you stuff it into a comment ? IT IS A MAGICALLY POWERFUL STRING!
12:07 mircea_popescu wtf is wrong with people.
12:07 asciilifeform shinohai: if you can read the hands, can say, clock aint wholly broken... antikytheria clock wrong all day.
12:08 shinohai antikytherium
12:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: betcha it's an opensesame to some ciscotron or similar garbage
12:08 mircea_popescu possible.
12:09 asciilifeform typically is what referheader crapolade is.
12:09 mircea_popescu kinda why i even bothered putting it in the log / why i look for weird in the mega webfilter that is trilema. you never know when a magical packet pops up, they're like tachyons these things.
12:09 shinohai btw, from logs the other day, was wondering if asciilifeform could link to examples of this: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wyse
12:09 asciilifeform someone, somewhere -- eats.
12:09 shinohai sorry http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754246
12:09 a111 Logged on 2017-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: 'wyse' made a series of gui-terminals , but with sata disk , fanless , based on very similar mobo to 'pcengines'
12:09 asciilifeform shinohai: as it happens i just uncrated one today
12:10 shinohai Cool
12:11 asciilifeform fiddybux buys you a fanless 1.5Ghz x 4core, 4GB mem, GB nic, sata, in book-size plastic fanless chassis, dc brick
12:11 shinohai sauce?
12:11 asciilifeform these are sold by scrap dealers
12:11 asciilifeform shinohai: look on, e.g., ebay
12:12 asciilifeform amd g-series, btw
12:12 asciilifeform the good one.
12:12 shinohai say like https://www.amazon.com/2QZ2985-Wyse-Z90D7-Client-G/dp/B00C2AT020 ?
12:12 asciilifeform ( needless to say , they are sold diskless )
12:13 asciilifeform shinohai: aha, that series
12:13 shinohai Windows Embedded Standard 7 lel
12:14 asciilifeform ( even when sold for entire hundy, still 4x the bang for the buck of pcengines. )
12:14 asciilifeform shinohai: reflash, naturally
12:14 shinohai even without disk, can boot from ram, no?
12:14 asciilifeform i'ma report when mine is put into service.
12:14 mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2kLX3/?raw=true << complete list of the nonsense, if anyone cares ; all from 185.100.222.123 (who did burn ~30GB worth of bw overnight to poke at trilema for reasons.)
12:14 asciilifeform shinohai: trb needs a disk
12:15 mircea_popescu ${10000059+10000047} of particular amusement.
12:15 asciilifeform shinohai: but yes, you want coreboot in'ere
12:17 asciilifeform !~google select pg_sleep(6);
12:17 jhvh1 asciilifeform: SQL Injection Wiki | PostgreSQL SQL Injection Cheat Sheet: <http://www.sqlinjectionwiki.com/Categories/4/postgresql-sql-injection-cheat-sheet/>; SQL Injection Cheat Sheet | Netsparker: <https://www.netsparker.com/blog/web-security/sql-injection-cheat-sheet/>; PostgreSQL Sleep Function pg_sleep – Postgres Delay Execution ...: (1 more message)
12:17 * shinohai ducks at the brick asciilifeform will likely throw when he admits to using knoppix .....
12:17 asciilifeform !~google IlRXqXAa'));select pg_sleep(6); --
12:17 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitcoinocracy — IlRXqXAa ')); select pg_sleep ( 6); --: <https://vote.bitcoin.com/arguments/ilrxqxaa-select-pg_sleep-6>; SQL Injection Wiki | PostgreSQL SQL Injection Cheat Sheet: <http://www.sqlinjectionwiki.com/Categories/4/postgresql-sql-injection-cheat-sheet/>; Postgres SQL Injection Cheat Sheet | pentestmonkey: (1 more message)
12:17 asciilifeform lol!,
12:17 mircea_popescu heh
12:18 asciilifeform shinohai: i thought knoppix evaporated in... 2007?.
12:18 mircea_popescu he bottled some lol
12:18 mircea_popescu https://vote.bitcoin.com/arguments/ilrxqxaa-select-pg_sleep-6 << this shit is actually fucking epic
12:19 mircea_popescu pity there's no qntra to qntra it on.
12:19 shinohai http://www.knoppix.org/ <<< still maintained
12:19 mircea_popescu because this is ~exactly what scam foundation voting was always all about.
12:19 asciilifeform it's what all seekritballot voting was always about.
12:19 asciilifeform with or without mechanicals.
12:32 shinohai !~calc 100 * 10^-8 * 1024
12:32 jhvh1 shinohai: 100 * 10^-8 * 1024 = 0.001024
12:37 mircea_popescu in other arcana referring trilema, http://scotus.blogspot.com/
12:37 mircea_popescu dead for 12+ years by this point so i have nfi.
12:42 mircea_popescu back when the ipod nano was hot.
12:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol, and when chinese mp3trons did better job, with 0 proprietary crapware needed to mount, and for 1/5th the price..
12:45 mircea_popescu aww
12:45 mircea_popescu are you unpatriotic or something ?
12:45 asciilifeform apparently
12:45 mircea_popescu THE BOUNDLESS HUMAN INGENUITY EXISTING!
12:45 asciilifeform disingenuouity
12:48 asciilifeform phunphakt: to this very day, crappleware won't -- as result of deliberate design -- emulate a disk
12:49 asciilifeform or disgorge, via any means short of full bore crack, anything previously written therein , as a file
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12:49 mircea_popescu in other lulz, "No. 04-0631 Wagnon v. Prarie Band Potawatomi Nation. This case concerns a tribe of native Americans in Kansas who have a casino on their reservation. If I understand the facts correctly, there is one road that goes to the casino, and one gas station (the "Nation Station") on that road. As you might guess the gas station primarily sells gas to casino goers. The tribe imposes a tax on the gas that pays for the r
12:49 mircea_popescu oad. Well Kansas decided it was going to impose its own tax on fuel distributors, that they were free to pass on to their customers. The tribe argues that the tax should not apply to it because federal indian law preempts state law and because it impinges on the tribe's sovereign immunity. My from the gut prediction is that the Court will REVERSE, just because native Americans really have bad luck at the Court. They have some
12:49 mircea_popescu decisions that say great things for them, but unfortunately courts mostly find ways around actually upholding those great things." <<->> http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#selection-195.1-197.53
12:49 asciilifeform aaaaha.
12:49 mircea_popescu also, NOT A SINGLE LINK from a 12 yo blog still resolves.
12:49 asciilifeform surprised?
12:50 mircea_popescu not to scotusblog.com, not to "akamai" bla bla CDN, not to fuckiung anything.
12:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform displeased.
13:01 shinohai In dairy news: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/dairy1.gif
13:08 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757501 << of course.
13:08 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 16:56 danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque my 1.5 deposit from the other day finally confirmed, i hope that still gets to my balance
13:09 trinque just has to confirm, or I'm fronting money.
13:12 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757419 << remains to be seen if they're idle for lack of leadership or lack of spine.
13:12 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 16:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757357 << this is an iffy point m'lord. i have a slavegirl that washes the floors ; the floors is where the cockroaches go. should she be punished ?
13:15 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757489 << looks like 2 atm.
13:15 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 16:50 mircea_popescu: trinque so are you ~9 blocks behind atm ?
13:16 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757508 << less than a month in, and already thoughts of terraforming !
13:16 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 16:59 BingoBoingo: In other news, the caterpillar store in Montevideo Shopping emphatically does NOT sell earthmoving equipment
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13:43 phf from the same tex publication: knuth "The index to Digital Typography lists eleven pages where the importance of stability is stressed, and I urge all maintainers of TEX and to read them again every few years." elsewhere "TEX users have long relied on the device independent file format (DVI) to preview their documents while editing. However, innovation has been scarce in this area, and users have to rely on years-old, or even decades-old software, faci
13:43 phf ng increasing compatibil- ity issues with modern systems. In this paper, we describe ModernDvi, a new DVI viewer Windows Store application, offering high quality and fast ren- dering, wait-free, outperforming existing solutions in these areas."
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13:44 phf "First, all exist- ing viewers are now considered legacy software: they have been designed for decades-old operating systems and do not meet modern requirements regarding soft- ware, hardware, interface, and usability in general."
13:44 phf etc. etc. etc.
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14:03 mircea_popescu aaand in other "pravda always makes better read years later", http://edition.cnn.com/US/9705/18/clinton.aids.pm/index.html
14:04 mircea_popescu the part where neither the "main banner" nor "clinton" illustration exist anymore is subsidiarily such delicious linkrot satire...
14:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757613 << the 2nd item is not also knuth is it ?!
14:10 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 18:44 phf: etc. etc. etc.
14:12 phf no, yeah, that wasn't clear
14:15 BingoBoingo trinque: Fleeting thoughts. But no, was walking the mall in search of un libro para aprender Ingles and saw the Caterpillar store selling... outdoors sort of sporty stuff for las mueres
14:18 BingoBoingo Over La Navidad, will be online infrequently, but reading logs religiously. After la Navidad will continue pushing business formation and intensify the cultural and language immersion experience
14:30 BingoBoingo And in other joyous sights of the season, saw my first child beggar today pestering me for "un moneda", the fellow in the orange vest whose job I've not figured out yet had a roaring laugh as "No entiendo." "No se, que es un moneda" and then I walked off.
14:32 BingoBoingo Being a non-Brasilero extranero in Uruguay is very close to having superpowers
14:33 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well, the sort of tankette las mujeres they have in latinolands... it's understandable.
14:33 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: lol
14:34 mircea_popescu break a clydesdale's whippletree, they will...
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14:34 BingoBoingo Anyways it's not like mircea_popescu level mystical domination superpowers, but it's a profoundly different experience from being a local in the US
14:34 BingoBoingo No estas muchas gordas aqui, unas pocas pero no much.
14:34 BingoBoingo *mucha
14:35 mircea_popescu estas is 1st person
14:35 BingoBoingo Ah, dammit
14:35 mircea_popescu no estan muy gordas - they aren't very fat. no estas muchas gordas = you dear reader aren't many fat women.
14:36 BingoBoingo AH, if only costa rica had datacenters I could ignore at least two verb tenses
14:36 mircea_popescu lol
14:40 BingoBoingo And if anyone wants accomodations in Uruguay that aren't a hostel, la ciudad vieja is full of ancient $45 a night places with rather grand architecture.
14:40 * BingoBoingo has not slept in any
14:40 BingoBoingo But figured asciilifeform and pet may fear the delousing when they drop boxes
14:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757625 << lol i'ma guess mircea_popescu ended up in pediwik swamp when looked for gears...
14:43 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 19:34 mircea_popescu: break a clydesdale's whippletree, they will...
14:43 mircea_popescu what, i can't know what a clydesdale is on my own ?
14:43 mircea_popescu i actually OWNED one at some point!
14:44 asciilifeform but didja have a whippletree for'em
14:44 mircea_popescu standard item in carriages neh ?
14:44 * asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu in a tachanka
14:44 mircea_popescu even included in ro trad artesanal models
14:44 asciilifeform nifty.
14:45 mircea_popescu one of the many items of not-really-interest one picks up in trad ro village packaging with anthropology.
14:46 asciilifeform phf: got sores for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757611 horror ?
14:46 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 18:43 phf: ng increasing compatibil- ity issues with modern systems. In this paper, we describe ModernDvi, a new DVI viewer Windows Store application, offering high quality and fast ren- dering, wait-free, outperforming existing solutions in these areas."
14:48 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque where didja get the log-timestamps in your trb ? ( which patch pressed to ? )
14:48 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
14:50 trinque asciilifeform: svlogd is providing them
14:50 asciilifeform trinque: how's that work with the default log mechanism ?
14:51 trinque got the flag to log to stdout set
14:54 BingoBoingo brb
14:54 asciilifeform aaaa
14:57 * trinque bbl
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15:19 phf asciilifeform: there's no repo, but i tracked down source if you're curious. https://sourceforge.net/projects/moderndvi/files/ 40mb .NET project
15:23 asciilifeform eww
15:27 asciilifeform !!up BigTexasBingo
15:27 deedbot BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
15:28 BigTexasBingo Watching my first car accident aftermath
15:29 BigTexasBingo Two cars clipped each other in front of the hostel and the girl driver swerved post collision into power pole
15:29 BigTexasBingo Both drivers ambulatory
15:30 BigTexasBingo Older male drove some compact jap thong minimal damage
15:31 BigTexasBingo Girlie driver has/had chicom hatchback at least radiator compromised
15:33 BigTexasBingo Hostel staff delivered girl a cup of water
15:34 BigTexasBingo Both parties appear to be chatting in a civil manner porque Montevideo es muy tranqui
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15:42 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, PANZERS! : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html
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15:43 asciilifeform ^^ mod6, ben_vulpes , trinque , mircea_popescu , et al ^^
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15:43 asciilifeform and yes typo, FIRST not 'fist'
15:48 asciilifeform btw kudos to jurov , his http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/post/btc-dev widget worked on first trigger pull !!
15:48 asciilifeform ( iirc this was my 1st time using it )
15:50 asciilifeform analysis so far : ^^item^^ results , at last , in situation where any 2 trb nodes, and 1 is 'ahead' of the other, the 'trailing' node is guaranteed to be fed.
15:50 asciilifeform *where any 2 trb nodes connect, and...
15:51 asciilifeform theoretically (!) this should make 'wires' (see last feb. log) actually work-as-intended. ( asciilifeform not yet tried. )
15:55 asciilifeform this is testable empirically; like-so: any N trb nodes built with 'aggression' patch above, and linked via 'wires', should never fall out of height-sync with one another by more than a coupla blox. at any point.
15:55 asciilifeform whoever has the resources to test this : plox to write in.
15:56 asciilifeform fwiw 'aggression' is live on (still syncing...) zoolag, as of today.
15:57 asciilifeform ( funnily enough it is now virtually impossible to connect to, on account of actually getting fed a block ~every time it touches anybody ... )
15:58 asciilifeform it did take a while to reach this state, given as 'wires' are no longer in use. had to actually connect to a working and nonblackholed trb.
15:58 asciilifeform hence the observation in the readme.txt.
16:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757667 << well what were they to do, engage in wager of combat ?
16:08 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 20:34 BigTexasBingo: Both parties appear to be chatting in a civil manner porque Montevideo es muy tranqui
16:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757669 << the mempool insanity is really a close order approximation of ddos in the first place.
16:10 a111 Logged on 2017-12-23 20:43 asciilifeform: ^^ mod6, ben_vulpes , trinque , mircea_popescu , et al ^^
16:10 asciilifeform aaha!
16:11 mircea_popescu correct design would have prioritized block delivery over txn delivery, at the delivery point
16:11 mircea_popescu but...
16:11 mircea_popescu "i can not send this node any txn for as long as it still asks me for blocks"
16:11 asciilifeform more exactly, for so long as it is verifying a block, it is dead-in-the-water
16:11 asciilifeform and in order for this not to be the case, you need a sane db
16:12 asciilifeform ( that , e.g., barrierizes reads correctly, rather than blocking completely )
16:12 mircea_popescu myeah
16:12 mircea_popescu ironically bdb would have worked for this if correctly implemented.
16:13 mircea_popescu but the problem with windows-moder-computerpropellerhead is that he expects items to work correcty in whichever braindamaged manner he expects to use them
16:13 mircea_popescu very much a case of "driver learned to drive on automatic, thinks gearbox fails to work correctly"
16:13 asciilifeform well, when verification took 3s instead of 3min, problem was not visible to the idjit's naked eye
16:14 mircea_popescu the naked eye being not a conceptual eye.
16:14 asciilifeform was 'too cheap to meter' (tm)(r)
16:25 * mircea_popescu needs frequent breaks for watching naked girlie put away the veuve cliquots and whatnots.
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16:46 asciilifeform ftr 'aggression' is apparently paying off, 200blox caughtup in <1hr, which previously took 4-5hrs (in the 400k's, to be specific)
16:59 mircea_popescu for as long as you have other trbs up to speed to support you. but still, useful mod.
16:59 asciilifeform so far seems to be.
17:01 * mircea_popescu again sees trinque ~9 blocks behind
~ 1 hours 10 minutes ~
18:11 trinque mircea_popescu: lookin on the website? if so that's a timestamp indicating when the page itself was last regenerated.
18:12 trinque asciilifeform: sounds like a neato patch
18:21 trinque at any rate I do look to be consistently at least a couple blocks behind. gonna now go back to default maxver and let it run.
~ 2 hours 2 minutes ~
20:23 mircea_popescu trinque no looking at what the status of what i think'd likely be your nodes seems to be
20:24 mircea_popescu error-prone process but anyway
20:24 mircea_popescu guesswork is a certain kind of fun
20:25 ben_vulpes this one is so very persistently stuck at 500756
20:25 ben_vulpes will probably use asciilifeform's aggressive patch, as my logs are full of 70000-series nodes advertising sexily high tips
20:27 asciilifeform so far i'm getting surprisingly good result
20:27 asciilifeform (close to theoretical max sync rate on the given box)
20:28 mircea_popescu anyways, loads of prb nodes also stuck 2 to 12 behind. even 20.
20:28 mircea_popescu the block propagation thing is faring poorly of late.
20:40 trinque ben_vulpes: 500746 eh? deedbot also rn.
20:42 mircea_popescu many stopped there. slow block.
20:42 ben_vulpes just caught 2 more; looks like it might be on a verification tear now
20:42 ben_vulpes > 749
20:42 ben_vulpes you know, when getinfo got around to returning
20:42 trinque gruntin em out.
20:49 mircea_popescu meanwhile in other string theory, http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2c3bwC2UL1qetcz3o1_400.gif
21:00 mircea_popescu !!up miia
21:00 deedbot miia voiced for 30 minutes.
21:00 miia Hello
21:01 mircea_popescu are you teh fetlife czech slut ?
21:01 mircea_popescu heh.
21:01 mircea_popescu !!up Guest98415
21:01 deedbot Guest98415 voiced for 30 minutes.
21:01 Guest98415 Nkt chechz
21:01 mircea_popescu pick a name someone doesn't already own.
21:01 Guest98415 MiiaRecherche
21:02 mircea_popescu aite, let's see what you got. your string is 5d8a1cc5
21:02 Guest98415 So you want me to upload the picutre
21:02 Guest98415 and then get paid?
21:03 mircea_popescu basically. look through the history, see how teh other girls did it.
21:03 Guest98415 Does my face have to be visible?
21:04 Guest98415 And how much time do I have, I am going to be home in like 20 mins
21:04 mircea_popescu it does, yes. and you have plenty of time.
21:04 Guest98415 Oh, sorry, I wont show my face, bye bye :) Happy holidays!!
21:04 mircea_popescu laters.
21:15 ben_vulpes i think i just tripped over the multiple-leaves thing as well, had asciilifeform's wires in my patchset
21:21 ben_vulpes in other topical historical items: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-14#1323384
21:21 a111 Logged on 2015-11-14 02:10 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the press algo must then press all same-tree-level leaves for the given leaf, correct?
21:21 * ben_vulpes still rereading whole thread in light of the past few days happenings
21:21 ben_vulpes also re-found http://40.media.tumblr.com/3ea4c6cfd1af432bba0675b8bde21056/tumblr_n74hilKQPB1qzuheco1_1280.jpg
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21:42 deedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 4: Interlude: FFACalc.
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21:42 asciilifeform ^ achtung, panzerz !!
21:42 shinohai ty asciilifeform
21:49 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-14#1323387 is terribly, horribly wrong, disregard.
21:49 a111 Logged on 2015-11-14 02:10 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct.
21:49 asciilifeform the correct, Troo , algo, is the one used in phf's vtron.
21:52 ben_vulpes myeah, as i said "in light of", mostly unearthing for target practice.
21:52 asciilifeform lolk
21:52 ben_vulpes tangentially relatedly, i'm not seeing much benefit from this aggressive sync mode
21:52 asciilifeform i didn't either, for 1st hr or so
21:52 ben_vulpes hm
21:53 trinque tangentially yet again, I'd really like a vtron to put in this here cuntoo.
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21:53 asciilifeform if yer surrounded by ocean of prb, it does 0
21:53 trinque to manage a cuntoo overlay.
21:53 ben_vulpes trinque: hah cool
21:53 asciilifeform trinque: i'd especially luvv a depythonized and deperlized one
21:53 mircea_popescu well, phf is moving towards one.
21:53 ben_vulpes vtron != vdiff mircea_popescu
21:54 trinque has the algo in viewer though
21:54 mircea_popescu gotta start somewhere.
21:54 ben_vulpes shall i dig mine out?
21:54 mircea_popescu sure.
21:54 ben_vulpes fair warning, it has a miserable, lisprepl ui
21:54 mircea_popescu but as we're restandardizing on keccak errything will have to be reground anyway
21:55 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes "dig out" means you fix that
21:59 asciilifeform the constant and entirely unnecessary reset of history is imho urbit-like and a Bad Thing. e.g. polarbeard ain't coming back to regrind his patches, nor is punkman
21:59 asciilifeform a vtron ought to have programmable hash knob.
22:00 mircea_popescu i have ~0 interest to bake into permanent history either polarbeard or punkman.
22:00 mircea_popescu the time for revered ancients is not fucking 2017.
22:00 asciilifeform forget revered
22:00 mircea_popescu they don't come back, their fucking problem.
22:00 mircea_popescu baby gotta be babied until it can stand.
22:01 asciilifeform i have a flounder , bought at bucharest flea market, preserved in epoxy like mircea_popescu's kindergartener
22:01 asciilifeform but dun... revere it
22:01 mircea_popescu ~nothing we have is worth preserving as it is.
22:01 mircea_popescu take mpi as a fine example in this vein.
22:02 mircea_popescu moreover, glacial timescales do not work nor are they useful. once the decision to not wait until 2075 when alf could shat a monolithic world is made, in then follows we will be producing prototype tools and improving upon them.
22:02 mircea_popescu people who want their work of today to stand ~forever are more than welcome to quit "programming", pick up assassination as a vocation, go murder everyone with a wikipedia article / mentioned on hacker news.
22:03 mircea_popescu it is THEIR FAULT that such a wish can not currently be granted.
22:03 asciilifeform tools get updated, idiocies removed, etc. but the HISTORY gotta stay.
22:03 mircea_popescu except, of course, should they be amenable to sucking a lot of cock labeled inconvenience.
22:03 asciilifeform otherwise it gets repeated.
22:03 mircea_popescu if they are, and ONLY if they are, they can stfu and regrind everything until i get bored of it.
22:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the history stays, i'm sure. why not ?
22:03 asciilifeform if vtron dun know about it, it's as good as gone
22:04 mircea_popescu exactly.
22:04 mircea_popescu there's ~no reason to have legacy DSA sigs in tmsr-rsa ; similarilyt why would i support sha2 in v ?
22:04 asciilifeform who said 'support sha2'. said : 'programmable hash knob'
22:04 mircea_popescu sure.
22:04 asciilifeform i.e. vtron not married to a hasher.
22:04 asciilifeform takes cmdline arg for standalone hasher.
22:05 mircea_popescu as long as it ships with keccak i don't care what other nonsense i will never read is included by possibility.
22:05 asciilifeform why does it have to ship ~with~ keccak
22:05 mircea_popescu so it can be used outta box.
22:05 asciilifeform keccak is a req'd util , lives on the box
22:05 mircea_popescu yes, well, restaurants provide forks.
22:06 asciilifeform usa 'restaurants' are getting , slowly, to where folx will be carryin' folding forks in their boots again
22:06 asciilifeform like it were 1941
22:06 mircea_popescu i'm sure. nevertheless...
22:07 mircea_popescu anyway, this is a not-so-interesting path to travel. on it we soon arive to "topsort is req'd util, lives on the box".
22:07 asciilifeform aaactually...
22:07 asciilifeform !#s tsort
22:07 a111 4 results for "tsort", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tsort
22:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-01#1258158 << subj
22:07 a111 Logged on 2015-09-01 04:12 asciilifeform: incidentally, your unixlike box almost certainly has 'tsort' utility
22:08 * asciilifeform did not use it in vtron, because insufficiently illustrative
22:08 asciilifeform https://ss64.com/bash/tsort.html << subj x2.
22:10 asciilifeform !~later tell phf >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757748 << plox to snarf vpatch
22:10 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 02:42 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 4: Interlude: FFACalc.
22:10 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
22:15 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6 , phf , apeloyee, diana_coman , PeterL, all ffaists : ^ ptronic puzzle included! gentlemen, start yer engines...
~ 42 minutes ~
22:57 asciilifeform !!up neur0
22:57 deedbot neur0 voiced for 30 minutes.
22:58 asciilifeform neur0: clock's ticking
22:58 neur0 oh i was just trying to find out exactly what is going on here cause i haven't got a god damn clue
22:58 asciilifeform neur0: consider reading the logs ?
22:59 asciilifeform neur0: http://btcbase.org/log
22:59 neur0 well i dont save those
22:59 neur0 oh
22:59 neur0 yeah that doesn't entertain me
22:59 neur0 good bye
23:00 trinque "I demand that you delete my informations from this website!"
23:00 shinohai Are you not entertained?
23:00 asciilifeform can't say that i am, shinohai
23:02 shinohai I just love these types "trying to find out exactly what is going on here cause i haven't got a god damn clue" but "Nope, can't read logs, boring."
23:02 asciilifeform they have a , what, 32byte slot allocated for the output of 'find out' ..?
23:03 trinque same idiots that all type "h" to each other, line noise for brain.
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23:19 mircea_popescu how did that bit go, http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/#selection-73.133-91.74
~ 30 minutes ~
23:50 phf asciilifeform: i put your http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental, it's a bit messy down there though (heyo), because of a bunch of broken polarbeard patches. i didn't move them to deprecated, because i assume we might still want to regrind them
23:50 mircea_popescu prolly should have a dedicated sad patches bin
23:51 phf yah
23:51 mircea_popescu then once that's established "fish in the sad patches bin" can go into the "how to participate" list
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23:52 phf asciilifeform: also http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc
23:53 asciilifeform ty phf !
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