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00:02 cutco why freenode then
00:06 danielpbarron why efnet?
00:09 phf maybe he means why freenode when you're going to have a gatekeeper?
00:09 cutco yes
00:10 phf this also apropos http://pbfcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/PBF234-Finneas.png
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00:28 mircea_popescu !!up cutco
00:28 deedbot cutco voiced for 30 minutes.
00:28 mircea_popescu cutco : historical accident, no more.
00:30 * mircea_popescu shall drop https://bananabo.xyz/ here. installgentoo.com runs an irc server apparently ; and you could get mysqldbs and a real gnu/linux shell!
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00:48 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/we-shall-now-read-anathem/ << Trilema - We shall now read Anathem...
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05:29 deedbot pete_dushenski: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zwEy5/?raw=true
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08:08 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/a-gift-of-memory/ << Trilema - A gift of memory
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10:27 shinohai From now on, I shall only !!up if I have rated you and the sum of 0.001 as introductory fee is paid to my deedbot coffers. ( trinque/foundation taxes may apply )
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11:10 ben_vulpes shinohai: kinda silly, if you posrate someone they can up themselves
11:15 diana_coman also: give people a bit of rope to hang themselves with, what; if any sort of constraint makes sense it might be to ask them to register a key first *before* they get voice
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11:56 ben_vulpes lending voice not yet so fraught as to be a formal introduction
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12:29 mircea_popescu !!up zineKing
12:29 deedbot zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
12:30 diana_coman where's your castle zineKing ?
12:42 zineKing irc.jollo.org #sally
12:43 mircea_popescu whassat ?
12:43 zineKing my castle
12:43 zineKing duh?
12:43 mircea_popescu well yes lol
12:44 zineKing i am down for the cause
12:44 zineKing i have written many zines
12:44 zineKing hence, i am the zineKing
12:44 mircea_popescu o hey. link one ?
12:44 zineKing ">This channel is logged."
12:44 zineKing nty fed
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12:44 asciilifeform lol!!
12:44 mircea_popescu um
12:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761149 << it's so people can read shit later.
12:45 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 17:44 zineKing: nty fed
12:46 mircea_popescu ok this is the weirdest chan i ever saw. check this out http://jollo.org/sally/
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12:49 mircea_popescu i suppose if we get tired of freenode we move to... jollo o.O
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12:49 ben_vulpes certainly has better art
12:50 mircea_popescu i also didn't see any "code of conduct", which by now screams pantsuit like "real estate values" scream cardboard houses.
12:57 mircea_popescu zineKing is it your network or do you just hang out there ?
12:59 mircea_popescu heh
12:59 mircea_popescu !!up zineKing
12:59 deedbot zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
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13:33 BingoBoingo !!up zineKing
13:33 deedbot zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
13:33 BingoBoingo Whos is your daddy and what does he do?
13:35 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
13:35 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 12618.0, vol: 21944.12049436 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12240.0, vol: 73926.72550639 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12688.8, vol: 4615.60117028 | Volume-weighted last average: 12343.161766
13:38 shinohai re th silliness is precisely the point ben_vulpes ... i turned of pms except for lords, most like jurov use /query instead anyway the proper way
13:39 shinohai spamola bots daily
13:43 ben_vulpes funnily i experience this approximately never
13:58 asciilifeform in other archaeolulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g-dyG-3uxQ
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14:42 ben_vulpes !!rate jawbone2 1 new blood
14:42 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Jvy3T/?raw=true
14:42 ben_vulpes !!v 02AEF7A724ECDDFE7D2A98B31B1104BE71D04CC8985E4D2008CED0AA8D1654E4
14:42 deedbot ben_vulpes rated jawbone2 1 << new blood
14:42 ben_vulpes now up thyself
14:48 jawbone2 Thank you for you help ben_vulpes
14:48 jawbone2 It is a pleasure to finally be speaking here.
14:50 jawbone2 I would like to set up a full republican node. I have the hardware and the instructions from the bitcoin foundation are pretty clear. I would like to know if you have any recommendations for a VPN service with port forwarding of course.
14:50 jawbone2 I live in the US.
14:51 trinque what's the vpn for?
14:53 jawbone2 I would like to run the bitcoin node and a small webserver. My ISP would require a much more expensive business account to open port 80. A VPN with a static IP on the other end would allow me to get around this limitation.
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14:55 ben_vulpes divorce these concerns, run a bitcoin node on bitcoin node hardware, and a webserver elsewhere
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14:55 trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SNOOi/?raw=true << gcc-4.9.4 OFFICIALLY!!1!1! deprecated by gentoo bureaucrats
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14:57 jawbone2 Ok. when you say bitcoin node hardware do you mean specialty hardware with ASIC chips?
14:58 jawbone2 Or just have the bitcoin node running on it's own machine
14:58 ben_vulpes no dude, asics are for mining
14:59 ben_vulpes but you say that "i have the hardware", so use that hardware. boot a bitcoin node on it and don't worry about port 80.
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15:00 jawbone2 Got it. Then I can just use Dynamic DNS to give me a permanent IP address right?
15:00 ben_vulpes shouldn't need a permanent IP to run a node. it's a good thing, and a requirement for running a srsbsns anything, but you can drop connections and reconnect to the bitcoin network regularly without much hassle.
15:01 ben_vulpes afaik you don't even need to be able to do incoming connections, although you are a leech upon the network if you don't.
15:01 trinque I don't find that my home ISP changes IP more than every few months, at least.
15:02 jawbone2 I see. The instructions I have assume a static IP address. I can do incoming connections just not on port 80.
15:03 ben_vulpes jawbone2: are you talking about the myip flag?
15:04 ben_vulpes nothing in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html mentions static IPs, so let's clear this up
15:05 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if yer ip moves, yer node becomes unconnectable-to ( and will merrily carry on broadcasting old ip to others as a seed)
15:06 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: and a node that cannot be externally connected to is an eater, not a plower
15:06 jawbone2 I see so when I start the bitcoin demon I put in my current IP. Then if it changes I'll need to update it?
15:07 jawbone2 Yes I'm talking about the myip flag
15:08 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: yes, i made that latter point.
15:08 ben_vulpes jawbone2: yes, if you are so unlucky as to only have access to a dynamic ip, you must reboot your node with a new ip in myip lest ye 'eat' and now 'plough'
15:09 ben_vulpes would be neat to patch trb to have this dynamically settable, and nothard either, see settxfee
15:09 ben_vulpes idem versionstring as asciilifeform mentioned
15:09 jawbone2 If I used Dynamic DNS to get a static IP would that get around this problem?
15:09 ben_vulpes perhaps, i do not know what promises they make.
15:10 ben_vulpes but 'try it and see'!
15:11 ben_vulpes a useful patch for folks in jawbone2 's position would update the results of getinfo to indicate whether trb considered a connection 'inbound' or 'outbound' so that you could determine if your dyndns hacks were working
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15:11 jawbone2 Indeed I shall. Thank you. Quick question do I now have a rating so I can voice myself in the future or is the rating only temporary.
15:11 ben_vulpes alternatively, jawbone2, rent some virtualized hardware and -connect your homenode to it
15:12 ben_vulpes jawbone2: i don't purge ratings on much more than a once-every-other-quarter basis, so you've got some time
15:12 ben_vulpes no promises, of course
15:12 jawbone2 Understood. Thank you for your help.
15:13 ben_vulpes stop by and update us with node sync process regularly and you'll be ahead of 90% of the pack, sadly
15:13 jawbone2 Got it.
15:13 ben_vulpes btw, who are you? do you keep a blog anywhere?
15:14 jawbone2 My name is Jim Weaver I live in Florida. I do not keep a blog yet. That is coming with my webserver project
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15:15 ben_vulpes nice to meetcha, jim
15:17 jawbone2 Indeed you too, Ben. I've been reading Trilema the blog for a long while and lurking here for a little while. This is an undiscovered country.
15:19 ben_vulpes surprisingly well know, just not really discussed in 'mainstream'/pantsuit media due to the dump truck loads of fear it inspires
15:21 jawbone2 Indeed
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16:38 esthlos jawbone2: my 2cents: get a linode with a static ip for $5/mo. for a dynamic dns, run a cron sending your local ip to the linode, and a cron to edit your dns record accordingly on the remote. for the web server, either preroute remote's 80 to some local port, or just run it on non-80
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16:51 deedbot http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 5: Egyptological Multiplication and Division.
16:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761181 << there's no good answer to this question ; tmsr isp still in the making. try something and report back basically.
16:51 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 19:53 jawbone2: I would like to run the bitcoin node and a small webserver. My ISP would require a much more expensive business account to open port 80. A VPN with a static IP on the other end would allow me to get around this limitation.
16:51 asciilifeform !~later tell phf plox to snarf ch5
16:51 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
16:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761182 << eh, if he's looking for a "vpn" rather than renting a box, there's no divorcing on the table. gotta buy a box before you can buy two boxes.
16:52 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 19:55 ben_vulpes: divorce these concerns, run a bitcoin node on bitcoin node hardware, and a webserver elsewhere
16:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol, poems included in the price now ?
16:52 asciilifeform aha!11
16:57 mircea_popescu !!up pehbot
16:57 deedbot pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
16:57 mircea_popescu !A .FA55F3F5459A9E799FD0913737C3FCBE74C01A9C3CE54F80083E16F27091F65F.0\#
16:57 pehbot mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
16:57 asciilifeform grrr
16:57 asciilifeform not updated yet!!
16:58 mircea_popescu aok.
16:59 mircea_popescu what is in principle acceptable as a proof that division works ?
16:59 asciilifeform !A .2.2*##
16:59 pehbot asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004
16:59 mircea_popescu ideally short of a list of all 256 bit operations.
16:59 asciilifeform !A .A.3\##
16:59 pehbot asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003
17:00 asciilifeform !A .A.3\#[,]#
17:00 pehbot asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003
17:00 asciilifeform ^easier on the eyes
17:00 asciilifeform !A .FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF*##
17:00 pehbot asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
17:01 asciilifeform ^ observe that this is a correct 512bit product
17:02 mircea_popescu indeed.
17:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re proof -- you go from the definition of division, where it finds integers x*y + r , etc
17:03 mircea_popescu !A .FEDCBA0.FEDCBA0*#[-]#
17:03 pehbot mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000-00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FDBABF68372400
17:03 asciilifeform recall that * produces ~2~ nums.
17:03 mircea_popescu yes.
17:04 mircea_popescu .F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0.0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F*#[-]#
17:04 mircea_popescu !A .F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0.0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F*#[-]#
17:04 pehbot mircea_popescu: 0E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3-B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E10
17:05 mircea_popescu ^ prng.
17:05 asciilifeform lol
17:05 mircea_popescu !!!!1
17:06 asciilifeform Сом Считает без ошибки!!1111
17:06 mircea_popescu !~translate ukr to fr Сом Считает без ошибки
17:06 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: No translations found.
17:06 mircea_popescu apparently google did not recognize ukrainian.
17:07 asciilifeform !~translate ru to ro Сом Считает без ошибки
17:07 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Somul contează fără eroare
17:07 asciilifeform ohah notbad
17:07 mircea_popescu lol
17:07 mircea_popescu it's somn in romanian, ftr.
17:08 asciilifeform hmm
17:08 mircea_popescu provided som in orig is catfish rather than pike ?
17:08 asciilifeform is
17:08 asciilifeform lol yet another boobytrap
17:08 mircea_popescu yeah. somnul numara fara gresala.
17:09 asciilifeform the latter a not wholly false cognate -- we have погрешность , i.e. instrument error , and from the slavonic root грех , i.e. sin
17:09 mircea_popescu "conteaza" is the bigger caltrop there, yes it's cognate with english "to count" but it strictle means "to matter, to be important", never the actual arithmetical procedure
17:10 asciilifeform aaa as in 'them peons dun count for half a shit'
17:10 mircea_popescu ayep
17:10 * asciilifeform pictures montypython's sacramental 'the french are revolting'
17:10 mircea_popescu and yes, gresala used deliberately because ro convention is to use slavonic roots for slavonic originals.
17:10 mircea_popescu so heure would be put as ora but ceas as ... ceas.
17:11 * asciilifeform did notice this.
17:11 mircea_popescu otherwise "eroare" quite available.
17:12 asciilifeform to round off thread -- asciilifeform very much enjoying rewriting ( and it is , yes , a total rewrite ) ffa
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17:12 mircea_popescu it shows.
17:12 mircea_popescu some rewrites are better than others, turns out.
17:13 asciilifeform re-walked the literature , also.
17:13 * mircea_popescu also generally enjoys refucking slavegirl, even if fucked well the first time.
17:14 asciilifeform in other noose from asciilifeform's chamber of horrors : zoolag continues to astonish -- at tip of the spear continuously since reaching sync
17:15 mircea_popescu # MichaŠGórny <mgorny@gentoo.org>, Andreas K. Hüttel <dilfridge@gentoo.org>, << well it's good to know all the effort was worthwile, orcs get their name spelled correctly.
17:15 asciilifeform lol!!
17:15 mircea_popescu micharmstrong gapowerofthreerny
17:15 asciilifeform бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК?
17:16 mircea_popescu i dunno, not an expert in orcology.
17:16 asciilifeform btw бНОПНЯ has the same magical power as îțâșă
17:16 mircea_popescu to me it always read as equiv of ro znopi
17:16 asciilifeform i.e. it readily and without explanation invokes image of a shambles
17:17 mircea_popescu deceased word, only survives in expression "to beat to shit"
17:17 mircea_popescu !~translate ro to ru l-am znopit in bataie
17:17 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Я избил его в избиении
17:17 asciilifeform lol!!
17:17 asciilifeform mebbe like engl 'thrash' ?
17:17 asciilifeform ( which i suspect was corrupted 'thresh' )
17:18 mircea_popescu nah, i expect it's actually alt-spelling of snop (hay ballot)
17:18 asciilifeform how many current-day englischers know what threshing was.
17:18 asciilifeform well yes we have сноп
17:18 mircea_popescu right.
17:18 mircea_popescu i suppose thrashed very good equivalence by mechanism.
17:20 asciilifeform aha, the сноп ref immediately led me to it
17:20 asciilifeform does ro have 'рубить в капусту' ?
17:20 asciilifeform ( 'to chop [somebody] 'into cabbage' ')
17:21 mircea_popescu !~translate ro to en fideluta
17:21 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: chopped
17:21 mircea_popescu notrly. asciilifeform "thin pasta"
17:21 asciilifeform lol! worx
17:21 mircea_popescu HOWEVER, "to make a cabbage out of things" very much still in use
17:21 mircea_popescu heck, i think i recently did myself
17:21 asciilifeform this i saw yea
17:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1760025 << there. superlative of the notion.
17:22 a111 Logged on 2017-12-28 23:55 mircea_popescu: now let's not make cluj cabbage of everything else too!
17:22 asciilifeform why cluj tho
17:22 hanbot a se taie cineva intr-o varza?
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17:22 mircea_popescu hanbot that exists ?
17:22 asciilifeform now exists!111
17:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform romanian has utterly absurd fixed superlatives for most idiomatics.
17:22 hanbot ^
17:23 mircea_popescu hanbot care go give some examples ?
17:23 hanbot yeah, not sanctioned afaik.
17:24 mircea_popescu for instance : to be utterly clueless, entirely unprepared, ineffectual and worthless -- such as for an exam of some kind, "a fi tufa", ie, "being a bush".
17:24 mircea_popescu the superlative of this, however, "tufa de venetia", ie, Venice bush.
17:24 mircea_popescu why ? the texts do not record why. but ~everyone knows.
17:26 asciilifeform btw mircea_popescu will appreciate the phunphakt that asciilifeform originally sat down to make an animatedgif of the egyptological algos' mechanics. but eventually gave up and Wrote Wordz
17:26 mircea_popescu being large, self centered and insensate, like a really annoying fat older woman ? vaca. (cow). but as a superlative, "vaca cu cabina", ie, cow with a booth.
17:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform oh, i was chuckling over this yest.
17:27 asciilifeform hm?
17:27 mircea_popescu the svg thing
17:27 asciilifeform aa
17:27 asciilifeform not hard to guess, eh. what else would asciilifeform be doing with svgism.
17:27 mod6 <+trinque> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SNOOi/?raw=true << gcc-4.9.4 OFFICIALLY!!1!1! deprecated by gentoo bureaucrats << wtf. srsly now.
17:27 mircea_popescu tho did not say anything because not particularily fair, victory delivered by the idiocy of tool.
17:27 asciilifeform i even pulled ye olde postscript red an' blue b00kz off the shelf, in the end
17:28 asciilifeform but eventually 'fuckit'
17:28 asciilifeform who wants -- can go and make it.
17:28 mircea_popescu this is a problem that will recur
17:28 asciilifeform indeed
17:28 trinque mod6: that's just to train the hole for future jamming-in of clang
17:28 mircea_popescu honestly i am inspired by zineKing chan example, i suspect the better solution may actually be 1980s style ascii art.
17:29 mircea_popescu not SO hard to use the god damned ascii pipes simple and double to make schematics.
17:29 asciilifeform trinque: sorta-usable-off-the-shelf gentoo on the classical www , is living its final days.
17:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: turns out, quite painful for anything nontrivial
17:29 asciilifeform fortunately there is nothing nontrivial in ffa.
17:29 * trinque has his frozen copy of it all, polishes for just this funeral.
17:29 mircea_popescu gimme an example ?
17:29 mircea_popescu trinque basically the empire of idiots is dead set on giving us free money. all hail.
17:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: anything with nonrightangles in it
17:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform just make the image larger
17:30 mircea_popescu I WIN!!11
17:30 asciilifeform lol
17:30 asciilifeform pnm ain't ascii tho.
17:30 asciilifeform no moar than uuencoded crapola
17:30 mircea_popescu myeah.
17:31 mircea_popescu i dunno, but at some point republican drawing will have to get resolved.
17:31 mircea_popescu granted, not here yet, i guess. but anyways
17:31 asciilifeform i expect the pill will look like hendersonized postscript, rather than svg idiocy.
17:32 asciilifeform ( ftr i did try cl-vecto, and barfed. why do i have to touch absolute coord ?! )
17:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761187 << his problem isn't what he states it to be ; he can't have open ports period, probably comcast bs.
17:32 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 19:59 ben_vulpes: but you say that "i have the hardware", so use that hardware. boot a bitcoin node on it and don't worry about port 80.
17:32 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761322 <- varza esti, nu te faci; that's about the only reason I suspect this just doesn't ...work; can't beat /cut someone into cabbage; they can however be cabbage themselves
17:32 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 22:22 hanbot: a se taie cineva intr-o varza?
17:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually i ran warez servers just fine on shitcast
17:32 asciilifeform it's the gsm carriers who have , as a rule, port fascism
17:32 diana_coman mircea_popescu, some ascii art in eulora? lol
17:33 mircea_popescu i dunno, but since he mentions it, he prolly has it.
17:33 mircea_popescu diana_coman i wouldn't mind an ascii-art renderer, like vlc has.
17:33 diana_coman fideluta though can also be ...varza taiata fideluta aka very very thinly
17:33 mircea_popescu that's true.
17:34 diana_coman well, there's nothing to mind for sure
17:34 mircea_popescu lemme rephrase. ima have this done eventually, just not a priority rightnao.
17:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761154 << holy fuq, zzt !!
17:34 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 17:46 mircea_popescu: ok this is the weirdest chan i ever saw. check this out http://jollo.org/sally/
17:34 asciilifeform !#s zzt
17:34 a111 2 results for "zzt", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=zzt
17:35 mircea_popescu let's voice him again
17:35 * diana_coman just had this trouble of explaining to 5 yo what's that "floare la ureche"
17:35 mircea_popescu !!up zineKing
17:35 deedbot zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
17:35 mircea_popescu yo, register a key so you can self-voice.
17:35 mod6 what do we need to do to get started with cuntoo. we ought to make a list.
17:35 asciilifeform mod6: the server on my desk, to find its way in the cage, is # 1
17:35 mircea_popescu mod6 it has to compile and bootstrap ; and support video cards and netcards. that'd be about it.
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17:35 asciilifeform no tarball hoster -- no cuntoo
17:35 mircea_popescu but from what i gather a half dozen people have pills for it in various states of undress.
17:36 hanbot lol diana_coman why not varza nu se naste, varza se devine
17:36 asciilifeform asciilifeform for example has >decade of tarball archive
17:36 diana_coman hanbot, also!
17:36 mircea_popescu at some point we (i mean s.mg) attempted to build a debian archive.
17:36 asciilifeform i recall this
17:36 asciilifeform what became of it ?
17:36 mircea_popescu iirc that died in the flames of 1e10 bytes of liquid shit
17:36 trinque mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757759 << literally all I need to release the thing
17:36 a111 Logged on 2017-12-24 02:53 trinque: tangentially yet again, I'd really like a vtron to put in this here cuntoo.
17:36 mod6 so your box in the cage will host all the tarballs... (we'll need mirrors too) or am I misunderstanding?
17:37 mircea_popescu literally, irrecoverably, liquid.
17:37 asciilifeform i only keep src tarballs
17:37 diana_coman pretty much dead, yes; whatever we took out at that time is still there though
17:37 trinque fine thing to duplicate this particular work, but that's what I'm waiting on, will otherwise write my own to put on it.
17:37 mircea_popescu i think the last debian capable of booting without any binary was like, sarge.
17:37 asciilifeform whaddayamean 'boot without binary'
17:37 trinque the mere act of producing a booting gentoo is trivial; what we need is a genesis of a ports tree merged between the musl overlay and a particular vintage of portage.
17:38 asciilifeform trinque: i still haven't attempted musltronic gentoo. ( and have nfi whether it could be used on a workstation, say -- does emacs run ? what dies ? )
17:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're familiar with the dependency problem, yes ? the statement here is that dependency problem for debian is SO BAD you can't actually produce a meaningful packaging of useful debian within finite space.
17:38 trinque emacs runs fine
17:38 asciilifeform trinque: then it's a go...
17:38 trinque nobody runs my recipes when I post, eh?
17:39 mod6 i still use our old one :]
17:39 asciilifeform trinque: i read'em. but only 2 hands, not run yet.
17:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is unsurprising
17:39 trinque this ruins my picture of you with four arms and two keyboards
17:39 asciilifeform binaryturd dists always were a fraud in that sense
17:39 mircea_popescu he's got a joysdick tho
17:39 asciilifeform trinque: i did not say how many total arms!111onlyhowmany free
17:40 trinque loller
17:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not even that they're binary dists. they CLAIM to be proper dists. but then "all compiles except THIS ONE THING" ; or "x requires y and y requires x -- pick one put binary in" ; or so following.
17:40 trinque mod6: I'd be happy to work with ya on whatever needs done to get v onto this thing. and it perhaps would benefit from phf's vdiff.
17:40 trinque can't repo portage without it
17:41 mircea_popescu is the idea to actually use the whole portage mechanism on the eventual cun2 ?
17:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: some packages are known and inescapable arse-mouth-systems in this sense - e.g. gnat, as discussed on several occasions
17:41 esthlos http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761390 if this is the case, why not go LFS?
17:41 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 22:35 mircea_popescu: mod6 it has to compile and bootstrap ; and support video cards and netcards. that'd be about it.
17:41 asciilifeform can't build a gnat without a... gnat. period
17:41 mircea_popescu because i will confess phf 's tales of bravery encourage me, to think perhaps protage could be cut from 5bn lines to 5k or somesuch ?
17:41 trinque I'm certain it could.
17:41 asciilifeform portage << gotta depythonize it
17:41 mircea_popescu see ?
17:41 trinque I'm speaking of the ebuild tree
17:41 asciilifeform being as python is , what, 1M loc ?
17:42 mircea_popescu i suppose once phf delivers new v, we shall be looking for a hero to reportage.
17:42 asciilifeform imho it needs the ada schemetron.
17:42 asciilifeform as substrate.
17:42 asciilifeform because sh is not a language.
17:42 mircea_popescu trinque yes but see, the change of diff to tmsr diff is liable to bring improvbements to semantic ; same may be true of etree.
17:42 trinque heh, this is why I say release with portage cuntoo "overlay"
17:42 trinque can dev the replacements from inside
17:42 mod6 <+trinque> mod6: I'd be happy to work with ya on whatever needs done to get v onto this thing. and it perhaps would benefit from phf's vdiff. << excellent. yeah, let's!
17:42 trinque then jettison the old tree
17:42 mircea_popescu conceivable.
17:43 mircea_popescu anyway, this will need more thought by which i mean more failed attempts.
17:43 mircea_popescu i guess it's a decent spring item.
17:43 * trinque was prompted to finish the reproductive gentoo when he went to build a box like always, found the shitgnomes had eroded earth from under his build system
17:43 mircea_popescu esthlos lfs ? wut ?
17:44 esthlos http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
17:44 mircea_popescu oh.
17:44 mircea_popescu resolved ot "large storage" in my head.
17:44 trinque that's not a thing so much as a "yes you could be a human build system"
17:44 trinque sure we've all done LFS in teens or w/e
17:44 mircea_popescu esthlos in a word, because none of the gerard beekmans matthre burgess bruce dubbs etc are known to us / have a !!key and so on
17:45 mircea_popescu it makes sense to re-do imperial crud under the republic ; it makes comparatively little sense to try and pick among the anonymous imperials for "the good one".
17:47 esthlos so some of the gentoo devs are around?
17:47 mircea_popescu nope, which is why the item is called cuntoo.
17:48 esthlos ah
17:48 mircea_popescu the logic is actually very strict : only key can sign, therefore only key can genesis, and see all the discussions around mpi re exactly what code production is deemed etc.
17:49 mircea_popescu but in shorthand practical terms, if they don't have a genesis we can patch upon, they don't exist.
17:49 esthlos oh, i see
17:50 asciilifeform a number of items in gentoo ports ~did~ have pgp sigs. but none of anybody in my l2 (or 3, or afaik even 4 )
17:50 mircea_popescu "very strict" : if i can't lean on them to make a proper genesis, also just as good as not existing
17:50 mircea_popescu and so following, the blade cuts.
17:50 trinque and they use things like "release signing key" because persons don't exist
17:51 mircea_popescu the bizarre sort of "humility" the empire keeps pushing.
17:52 esthlos i want to say v is genius, but it seems like common fucking sense. columbus' egg i suppose
17:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761206 << yeah, not bad.
17:52 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 20:11 ben_vulpes: a useful patch for folks in jawbone2 's position would update the results of getinfo to indicate whether trb considered a connection 'inbound' or 'outbound' so that you could determine if your dyndns hacks were working
17:52 mircea_popescu esthlos most genius is common sense.
17:52 mircea_popescu heigh ho the holly...
17:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759556 <<
17:53 a111 Logged on 2017-12-28 14:20 mircea_popescu: nah. cleverness in humans is simply equivalent of what drunks call "a moment of lucidity", ie, stopped being indescribably fucking stupid for one god damned moment.
17:53 trinque mod6: got an apu2?
17:54 mod6 no
17:55 trinque doesn't matter; we'll need a set of known-good kernel configs anyway
17:56 trinque I provided one for the apu2 in the archive I'm uploading to blogbox atm
17:56 asciilifeform i posted one for phf last yr
17:56 asciilifeform for x60
17:56 mod6 ah, ok. cool!
17:56 asciilifeform trinque: apu really oughta be run with an in-rom kernel
17:56 trinque wip cuntoo script only does apu2, but if you read it, it'd be trivial to parameterize the kernel config
17:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761215 << no, i think this may well be permanent, i think i purge mine bianually or some shit.
17:56 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 20:14 jawbone2: My name is Jim Weaver I live in Florida. I do not keep a blog yet. That is coming with my webserver project
17:56 mircea_popescu !!rate jawbone2 1 convincing noob
17:56 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8HM5u/?raw=true
17:57 mircea_popescu twice a decade, by the looks of it.
17:57 trinque asciilifeform: worth a thread maybe, but I loathe the one-kernel-for-them all approach; I don't even ship my kernels with module loading enabled
17:58 asciilifeform aha, it is intimately per-machine item
17:58 * mircea_popescu is looking forward to mod6 putting some of these into hardware, because while he's very cute as he gets all flustered from repeated failure, the whole process is nevertheless immensely useful & productive.
17:58 mircea_popescu trinque the VERY FUCKING NOTION of "modules" is basically abandonment of kernel.
17:58 mod6 lol ok.
17:59 mircea_popescu it's shocking how philosophically undedicated them folks are, 0 adherence to any kind of principle or anything whatsoever.
17:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they were forced mistake, via x86ism . without something like modules, you get to pick b/w a) kernel that runs on ONE box, and that's until you change a card b) a 500MB liquishit pot
17:59 mircea_popescu still.
18:00 mircea_popescu mod6 you realise this, your original v actually worked out in practice as major pivot improving v significantly from notion to item.
18:00 asciilifeform 'kernel is this ONE item, and fuckyou' worx when you get to standardize the iron. and not otherwise.
18:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd have preferred much more exposed parameters/configs than "modules", for instance.
18:00 asciilifeform ( and even crapple iirc is stuck maintaining several versions of theirs, because different editions of iron )
18:01 mircea_popescu a "module" is a braindamaged half-way implementation of a compiled configfile.
18:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that'd be (b)500MB of shit
18:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i prefer my formulation, but yes, i'd have taken b.
18:01 asciilifeform because driver under idjit x86 iron is a massive ball of ???, none of which typically generalizes to ANY other item
18:01 mircea_popescu but at least THAT would have been exposed.
18:01 mircea_popescu there's no benefit in playing well with idiots.
18:02 * trinque recalls the sad thread where it was explained to him how the thing's a pile of recursive busses keistered in keisters
18:02 asciilifeform for so long as buying their iron -- playing with them.
18:02 mircea_popescu trinque 12 deep! in places
18:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631805 <<thread trinque was referring to
18:03 a111 Logged on 2017-03-23 16:31 asciilifeform: the sad thing re the iron , is that 'determine if installed, and if so, where on the bus' is often 80% of the driver !
18:04 mircea_popescu incidentally, did we do the "single bus is idiocy, unless using alf's serialized dongle cpu, do the shit properly" thread ?
18:04 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 you realise this, your original v actually worked out in practice as major pivot improving v significantly from notion to item. << thanks. it's been great to see it come to life. it's a work in progress :]
18:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we did, possibly in the dma thread
18:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'multiple buses on other buses' bigger-fleas-and-little-fleas horror show is no kind of cure tho.
18:05 mircea_popescu yeah. you were all "well, sorry it's broken" last month or w/e, but realise -- back when it was written it was ahead of the v as a concept. that it meanwhile become broken is merely because the tide raised ; but the tide raised because, in no small part, it existed.
18:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, have dedicated fucking lines. all this "oh, we have nfi what will hang off this cpu" pretense is 1980s idiocy. WE FUCKING KNOW. have dedicated netbridge ; have or not have dedicated video bridge -- YOU KNOW if you're putting or not puting a fucking vidcard in there but you don't know whether you need a bus for it or not ? gimme a fucken break!
18:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sgi had a crossbar, it aint an unheard-of thing
18:06 mircea_popescu 1. netbridge or no netbridge ; 2. vidbridge or no vidbrige ; 3. serial.
18:07 mircea_popescu what the fuck, "oh we don't know what people may plug into the bus", like it's 1979 and i go around the killer micros with syringe needles.
18:07 asciilifeform actually the correct solution is fabric
18:07 mircea_popescu fine.
18:07 asciilifeform i.e. cpu only knows how to speak to other cpus. and other iron is special case of 'other cpu'
18:07 mircea_popescu whatever the fuck but this pointlessly self-crit of a spurious bottleneck.
18:08 mircea_popescu "we didn't know how you wanted your house laid out so we put this sqm in the middle that has to be traversed FOR EVERYTHING! hope you enjoy all the copping a titfeel in your own god damned house"
18:08 asciilifeform bus is a poverty artifact. and i will add that , most hilariously, recent items like pcie are actually implemented as ports, physically! but on the idjit x86 end EMULATE behaviour of bus !!
18:08 asciilifeform because x86olade expects.
18:08 mircea_popescu but we haven't been poor for thirty five years!
18:09 asciilifeform somebody wake up and tell wintel.
18:09 mircea_popescu fucking bullshit of the prime order.
18:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761220 << i think ~everyone in a "wanna run a node mostly to learn" demo is doing either that, amazon or else more obscure similaria (ohv, whatever)
18:13 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 21:38 esthlos: jawbone2: my 2cents: get a linode with a static ip for $5/mo. for a dynamic dns, run a cron sending your local ip to the linode, and a cron to edit your dns record accordingly on the remote. for the web server, either preroute remote's 80 to some local port, or just run it on non-80
~ 18 minutes ~
18:31 deedbot http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/ << trinque - WIP : Cuntoo Installer
18:31 * mod6 looks
18:36 shinohai This is impressice trinque, will test and report back o7
18:47 mod6 Thanks trinque!
18:47 mod6 I'll try to find a spot to try this thing out in the next day or two.. maybe you can walk me through some of the stuff.
18:48 * mod6 is looking at the musl overlay
18:51 trinque gladly. I prefer to produce a genesis *after* the thing's been wrung through other than my own requirements.
18:51 mod6 oh for sure.
18:52 mircea_popescu !!up zineKing
18:52 deedbot zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
18:57 zineKing mircea_popescu i registered a key, still not voiced
18:58 mircea_popescu !!rate zineKing 1 zine something
18:58 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iaWIa/?raw=true
18:59 mircea_popescu zineKing after the rating goes through in ten minutes or w/e, you will be able to voice yourself ; see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756668
18:59 a111 Logged on 2017-12-22 06:54 mircea_popescu: Techman say /query deedbot to open a pm session ; say !!up in there to it ; then return !!v the string.
19:01 zineKing mircea_popescu: so, real talk, do you actually believe bitcoin specifically will be the number one choice of cryptocurrency worldwide? this recent spike in price saw smaller payments made virtually impossible due to high fees
19:01 zineKing which crypto do you think will be the defacto, go-to coin for world wide affairs?
19:02 zineKing xmr? eth?
19:02 zineKing the petrodollar is dying
19:02 mircea_popescu what do you mean "will be" ?
19:03 mircea_popescu bitcoin is inescapably and permanently the definitive word on linguistic order, which includes all monetary considerations as a minor point.
19:03 mircea_popescu it also includes all politics.
19:03 zineKing I am assuming, correctly or not, that at least one crypto will take the place as a world currency sooner or later, wrong or not
19:04 zineKing okay, let me rephrase my question
19:04 zineKing so, real talk, do you actually believe xbt specifically will be the number one choice of cryptocurrency worldwide? this recent spike in price saw smaller payments made virtually impossible due to high fees
19:04 mircea_popescu what is xbt ?
19:05 mircea_popescu ah, re plebs problems something like http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 may interest you
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19:05 mircea_popescu (note the date).
19:10 zineKing interesting
19:14 mircea_popescu if you keep reading you will discover trilema is principally a repository of answers to questions the random idiots of "mainstream" pretend to have discovered years later and "resolve" in their usual manner.
19:15 zineKing So, you're cryptohipsters?
19:15 mircea_popescu um.
19:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736549
19:15 a111 Logged on 2017-11-12 16:48 mircea_popescu: well, reading through what ? #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the dissolution of all fiat sovereigns and the permanent barring of such nonsense in the future.
19:16 mod6 lol cryptohipsters
19:16 zineKing I bought in at 2011, I still see xbt specifically as a currenct that is just not feasible to be rolled out globally, due to the excruciatingly slow speed and the high fees.
19:16 zineKing currency*
19:17 mircea_popescu well what you see things as is entirely your priviledge no ?
19:17 mircea_popescu you can see microscope as hammer, as long as you own it.
19:18 mircea_popescu there's that guy that saw ipad as cutting board, his fucking ipad, can do as he please.
19:19 zineKing don't get me wrong, I'm totally onboard with the plan. But in order for a crypto to be accepted by the masses it has to be a better alternative, more efficient, than what people currently use. to me, the closest thing right now is probably ETH
19:20 mircea_popescu what the masses "accept" has entirely no bearing.
19:20 mircea_popescu in order for a round earth spinning around the sun to be "accepted by the masses" exactly nothing has to happen.
19:21 zineKing Except it does, because you're talking about markets -- social constructs, made by humans
19:21 mircea_popescu the point is bitcoin permits me to rape eth, and turn mit into a sort of ransom faucet. this doesn't go away by speaking.
19:21 mircea_popescu i am not talking about any such thing.
19:23 mircea_popescu lessee how this works.
~ 19 minutes ~
19:43 mod6 anyone ever see that movie 'pi' ?
19:44 mircea_popescu aha.
19:44 mircea_popescu !!up zineKing
19:44 deedbot zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
19:44 mircea_popescu what happened ?
19:49 hanbot mod6 that was my favorite film when i was 16 or so. i tried to watch it again recently with mixed results. still love the soundtrack though.
19:49 mod6 i haven't seen it in ages. i feel like i should watch it again.
20:00 shinohai the banana thing i disliked
20:01 zineKing mircea_popescu: you've intrigued me, I'll stick around for sure
20:01 mircea_popescu soo apparently trilema includes review of requiem for a dfream, the wrestler and black swan, but NOT pi
20:02 mircea_popescu it's the d aronofsky item from 1998 we're talking about yes ?
20:02 mod6 ya
20:02 mircea_popescu zineKing cool ; but voice yourself
20:02 zineKing just did
20:02 mircea_popescu a hey wd.
20:02 zineKing deedbot> You are now voiced in #trilema
20:02 mircea_popescu aha. now, what's this ezine thing ?
20:06 mircea_popescu https://8ch.net/interracial/index.html << in other lulz, apparently the average chanster had sex twice.
~ 22 minutes ~
20:29 mircea_popescu incidentally mod6 if you liked pi you might also like http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/
20:30 mircea_popescu pretty much the same exact film, so much so i always suspected pi is a remake. hero is struggling with memory rather than insanity but otherwisw ~same sexuality, ~same magical jew, same quest for the ultimate meaning and so following.
20:33 mod6 ah, ok. thanks, will watch.
20:36 mod6 i just watched the 'pi' trailor. it indeed has been a while haha. ive got pi in the queue. might re-watch tonight yet.
~ 18 minutes ~
20:55 mod6 ok here we go
~ 32 minutes ~
21:27 * asciilifeform liked 'pi'
~ 53 minutes ~
22:20 mod6 alright, yeah, definiately different than i remembered it. i had completely blocked out or forgotten the jewish numerology part.
22:21 mod6 i still liked it tho. music was pretty good, brings me back. hehe
22:22 mod6 the dude's rig was very ~'11 bitcoin miner
~ 1 hours 10 minutes ~
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