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00:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278814 @ 0.0005593 = 155.9407 BTC [+] {2}
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00:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61243 @ 0.00055312 = 33.8747 BTC [-] {3}
00:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90500 @ 0.00055869 = 50.5614 BTC [+] {2}
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00:45 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What else have you “come to expect” from your stock exchange? - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/14/what-else-have-you-come-to-expect-from-your-stock-exchange/
00:50 ben_vulpes front running, primarily
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01:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102691 @ 0.0005586 = 57.3632 BTC [-] {2}
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02:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72730 @ 0.00055222 = 40.163 BTC [-] {3}
02:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158220 @ 0.00055156 = 87.2678 BTC [-] {4}
02:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39890 @ 0.00055835 = 22.2726 BTC [+] {2}
02:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29610 @ 0.00056042 = 16.594 BTC [+] {2}
02:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119550 @ 0.00055117 = 65.8924 BTC [-] {3}
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02:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90841 @ 0.00055113 = 50.0652 BTC [-] {3}
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03:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86550 @ 0.00056042 = 48.5044 BTC [+] {2}
03:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220600 @ 0.00056395 = 124.4074 BTC [+] {5}
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04:00 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca9FJ9LWIAESaBy.jpg:large
04:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/244JvDW )
04:01 punkman https://twitter.com/GLOCKInc/status/698962783979712512
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04:23 punkman http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/
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04:23 assbot The siege of Herbalife - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/244KZy2 )
04:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 385700 @ 0.0005651 = 217.9591 BTC [+] {3}
04:33 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00319579 = 2.3968 BTC [-] {9}
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04:53 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.0028335 = 2.1251 BTC [-] {4}
04:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20978 @ 0.00056398 = 11.8312 BTC [-]
04:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73072 @ 0.00055455 = 40.5221 BTC [-]
05:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30828 @ 0.00056135 = 17.3053 BTC [+]
05:12 thestringpuller !v assbot:thestringpuller.rate.Pierre_Rochard.-1:2cb629256734cb1067a0a8ccdb658802966d720c6bde348f040848156d25442c
05:12 assbot Successfully updated the rating for Pierre_Rochard from 2 to -1 with note: "Yesterday's ally becomes today's opposition." - Wants to be vocal, and hide in the shadows.
05:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00055364 = 16.0832 BTC [-]
05:22 davout jurov: X.EUR MM bot is back.
05:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150550 @ 0.00055308 = 83.2662 BTC [-] {2}
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05:55 adlai punkman: good link. now when is ackman shorting b[,tmsr~]?
05:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132950 @ 0.00055091 = 73.2435 BTC [-] {4}
06:03 * adlai has stopped telling people that bitcoin is not 'network marketed', i mean it is digital money, runs on networks, flows in tubes (both parallel, and series of)
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06:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82468 @ 0.00055653 = 45.8959 BTC [+] {2}
06:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139100 @ 0.00056454 = 78.5275 BTC [+] {2}
06:24 adlai !v assbot:adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.10:c26b82ee97b4c01a90dc0229cacda535bc552cd9572b13d759a9554d0fe4f39d
06:24 assbot Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 7 to 10 with note: I have received more coin from Mircea than I have sent him (indirectly, respectively, directly - respectfully)
06:29 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious
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06:29 assbot Logged on 12-02-2016 17:35:04; asciilifeform: but i think i spent more of my life adlaiing than not
06:34 adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403712 << "So I believe that even my master, when he spoke of the simple, was using a rather simple concept." http://www.obooksbooks.com/2015/4115_142.html
06:34 assbot Logged on 12-02-2016 17:44:17; trinque: to be a simpleton... one will die either way.
06:34 assbot The Name of the Rose(142) by Umberto Eco, William - Free Best Novels ... ( http://bit.ly/20VztFX )
06:41 jurov davout ty!
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07:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00056279 = 27.239 BTC [-]
07:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77350 @ 0.00056188 = 43.4614 BTC [-]
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07:50 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> (is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?) << Welcome to the weird that is Bitcoin broadcasting
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08:15 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405999 >> https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/her09-15_b_lo-res2.jpg?quality=80 << l0l, 2x eizo 'colouredge' !111
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08:15 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 09:23:41; punkman: http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/
08:15 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/20VI6As )
08:16 asciilifeform (can anybody identify the kbd ?)
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08:16 asciilifeform platinum toilets ftw!
08:17 mircea_popescu it's so bizarre that the usg doesn't embrace herbalife. yes all the arguments against it are solid, but they cut just as much against say, apple. google.
08:17 mircea_popescu they're all herbalifes.
08:17 asciilifeform (they are not true iridium toilets because i can identify them visually)
08:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where's the consumer direct-sale chumpatron in, e.g., apple ?
08:17 asciilifeform last i checked, they didn't offer 'get ipnohe for selling five'
08:17 mircea_popescu doh ?
08:18 mircea_popescu "get to be an iphone's worth of cool by telling all your friends" ?
08:18 asciilifeform then mercedes is also pyramid ?
08:18 mircea_popescu if apple isn't direct-marketed then what is ? and what's an apple fan ?
08:18 mircea_popescu notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one
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08:18 mircea_popescu not by pete telling them to buy one.
08:21 mircea_popescu heck, who knows, maybe ackerman's mping all over "classic" finance, started with the easier to lance boil.
08:21 asciilifeform by this notion all consumer crud is 'direct market'
08:21 asciilifeform but the traditional definition remains, does chump take money from chump.
08:22 mircea_popescu i think that definition was never stated as such.
08:22 mircea_popescu does chump BENEFIT from chump. yes, he does.
08:22 asciilifeform if chump sends the new chump on his merry way to the crapple store, we have a scam, sure, but how is it 'mlm' ?
08:22 mircea_popescu and by this definition all consumer crud IS IN FACT consumer crud. which yes. it is.
08:22 mircea_popescu i would sya it is.
08:22 asciilifeform where are the hierarchical levels then ?
08:23 mircea_popescu ...
08:23 mircea_popescu they worship steve, don't they ? why ?
08:23 mircea_popescu becauyse of the frustrated mlm need.
08:23 asciilifeform (i.e. what would be an advanced crapple pusher, vs rank-and-file)
08:23 mircea_popescu just because they're not lame as fguck about it, going telloing kids what the levels "should be" doesn't mean they don't exist.
08:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00056101 = 36.634 BTC [-]
08:23 mircea_popescu you realise crapple only hires salespeople from the fanbase yes ?
08:23 asciilifeform can mircea_popescu give example of the levels ?
08:24 mircea_popescu steve ; everyone else is already levels.
08:24 asciilifeform the crapple salesmen are wage labourers
08:24 asciilifeform afaik they get no commission.
08:24 mircea_popescu not fully.
08:25 mircea_popescu they get less than they'd ask for to deliver the same work, if they weren't in the apple ml.
08:25 mircea_popescu mlm*
08:26 asciilifeform any public evidence that they are paid below market rate for other clerks ?
08:26 asciilifeform by how much ?
08:26 mircea_popescu they're not making comission, right ? fifth avenue equiv poshness job working chicks ARE.
08:27 mircea_popescu and they also have to be this tall and this booby and this slutty
08:27 mircea_popescu and just like the apple shitheads, they have to spend this % of their income on storep roducts
08:27 asciilifeform folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ?
08:27 mircea_popescu where 200 < this < 1500 or so
08:27 mircea_popescu yep.
08:28 mircea_popescu fuck more hotties, wouldja!
08:28 asciilifeform l0l
08:28 asciilifeform wake me up when they start making ones with faces.
08:28 * asciilifeform bbl
08:28 mircea_popescu typical airhead 5foot11 blondi that doesn't college and doesn't straight callgirl moves to pretentious store to sell perfume and designer clothes on comission.
08:29 mircea_popescu and buys "worth" about 5x what she earns
08:29 mircea_popescu and is taken on "training" to various hotels where she is expected to fuck the "senior management" and she gladly complies. because hey.
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08:47 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? << I fucking made commision selling watch batteries in the mall.
08:47 BingoBoingo Same for people a few stalls down selling phones, calendars, etc
08:48 mircea_popescu the attempt to waitress-ify all consumer facing jobs is long in the tooth.
08:51 BingoBoingo http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/100319340.html << Marshall Long style Eatbeast scammzor
08:51 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: To be fair this was 07-08 and base pay was above minimum wage. No idea if it still would be
08:52 mircea_popescu no idea if minimum wage would still be meaningful, either.
08:53 BingoBoingo But this was also back when floor space for the kiosk was $5000/month no idea where that has gone, but likely down.
08:54 mircea_popescu prolly.
08:56 BingoBoingo In other news https://archive.is/4FvjC
08:56 assbot 100 Best-Selling, Most Prescribed Branded Drugs Through March ... ( http://bit.ly/2453GS7 )
08:57 BingoBoingo A lot of insulins on that list
09:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135750 @ 0.00056314 = 76.4463 BTC [+] {3}
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09:18 shinohai !up minetester
09:18 minetester <.<
09:18 minetester >.>
09:18 shinohai Buenas uey
09:18 minetester que hay!?
09:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101030 @ 0.0005629 = 56.8698 BTC [-]
09:22 BingoBoingo !up wpalczynski
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10:16 deedbot- [Qntra] Optical Disc Software Approaching International Crisis - http://qntra.net/2016/02/optical-disc-software-approaching-international-crisis/
10:24 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b91CN5XC_V8
10:24 assbot New Zealand Politician Steven Joyce - #Dildogate - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tlms3J )
10:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87950 @ 0.00055864 = 49.1324 BTC [-]
10:38 shinohai !unrate liquidassets
10:38 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2a7039cbef0b2cbc
10:38 BingoBoingo In other news there's rumbling ECB is set to kill the 500 euro note, but no source worth linking yet
10:39 shinohai !v assbot:shinohai.unrate.liquidassets:d22d27f15bd1997ea3bff0b032d8e8019ab00763506732bab17f7f5034a1de94
10:39 assbot Successfully unrated liquidassets
10:43 BingoBoingo !up Conflict
10:44 BingoBoingo !up linton_s_dawson
10:46 BingoBoingo Insanity https://i.imgur.com/NXUvpBt.jpg
10:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/214Gzol )
10:47 shinohai tumbrinas don't get to decide what is anything.
10:47 shinohai *tumblrinas
10:49 trinque hell of a mentality, where the things you do are the things you "get to" do
10:50 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/uaBA1yS.png
10:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/214H1D4 )
10:51 shinohai I do get to decide not to eat 4 buckets of Wal-MArt chicken in one sitting so as not to be labeled obese.
10:52 BingoBoingo Notice though how all of those ideological avatars are rotund. Every single one of them is obese.
10:52 BingoBoingo But apparently it doesn't count as obesity anymore until a person is so fat they spread out like a pancake
10:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00055864 = 5.1395 BTC [-]
11:04 trinque shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to"
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11:05 trinque at least religions of the past had something of an enumerated list of prohibitions
11:06 shinohai Sadly even that has devolved based on what religious leader you happen to follow. At least in usa
11:14 BingoBoingo !up Duffer1
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11:37 shinohai ;;ticker
11:37 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.9, Best ask: 400.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 399.96, 24 hour volume: 28420.58864334, 24 hour low: 396.12, 24 hour high: 412.5, 24 hour vwap: None
11:37 shinohai $400 again >.>
11:39 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
11:39 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 9025.06442353 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 401.87, vol: 7623.0688 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 399.6, vol: 28498.84921068 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 390.0, vol: 7.28927057 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 418.446405, vol: 46236.18970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 397.77401, vol: 755.81372971 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 399.47655, vol: 73.30162171 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
11:39 BingoBoingo ;;more
11:39 gribble 409.260001115
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12:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114016 @ 0.00056007 = 63.8569 BTC [+] {2}
12:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113884 @ 0.00056396 = 64.226 BTC [+] {3}
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12:35 shinohai wb pete_dushenski
12:35 pete_dushenski heya shinohai
12:35 pete_dushenski how comes the website ?
12:41 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406019 << lol. good one
12:41 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 11:29:54; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious
12:42 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406031 << looks like 'bloomberg terminal' model, neh ?
12:42 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 13:16:28; asciilifeform: (can anybody identify the kbd ?)
12:44 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bloomberg_terminal.jpg << looks like it.
12:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjfD1B )
12:44 pete_dushenski that's the one
12:44 asciilifeform l0l winblowz key
12:45 pete_dushenski you don't understand how finance worx
12:45 asciilifeform clearly not
12:45 asciilifeform and here i was, imagining that it runs on custom pdp11 tandematron
12:46 pete_dushenski though i eaaagerly await the results of the alphago bet now that 'most of alf's net worth' is on the line. that's sitg, folks.
12:46 asciilifeform did i say most
12:46 asciilifeform l0l
12:46 pete_dushenski 'significant' ?
12:47 pete_dushenski but if 'organs won't buy bulldozer', most isn't a stretch
12:47 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: perhaps i ought to explain that i don't really treat bitcoin as money
12:47 asciilifeform (it can't pay my rent, or tax, or ..., etc)
12:48 pete_dushenski neither can shares of tsla, goog, aapl, gs, etc.
12:48 asciilifeform i use it as a sort of scientific toy. picture, if you will, if you came to own a few grams of Pu
12:49 asciilifeform nowhere near enough for fission, but you can still do various interesting things like thermal generator, etc.
12:49 asciilifeform closest analogy i can think of.
12:49 pete_dushenski i can see it
12:51 mats asciilifeform: didja bet yes or no?
12:51 asciilifeform and yes, when mircea_popescu wakes up he will remind me that it is the only real money. and he will be right, just like, to hruschev, Pu was the only real money
12:51 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406042 << as with all new german cars, yes. this comment on baruth's blog recently sharply sums up this arriviste betaboi phenomenon : "If you’re distraught about the Macan demo now, wait until the 4cyl comes out with a $499 lease special and a whole new segment of buyers. I can tell you from experience (I sell Audis as well) that the ‘aspirational’ luxury bu
12:51 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 13:18:49; mircea_popescu: notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one
12:51 pete_dushenski yer is different breed…just wait for the Insta posts of a millennial couple with #porsche #madeit #lifegoals #adulting"
12:51 asciilifeform mats: this is not appearent from the logz?
12:52 pete_dushenski mats look for the 5btc bet
12:52 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: explain for us mortals ?
12:52 pete_dushenski which part ?
12:52 mats i'm not caught up on logs
12:52 asciilifeform any of it
12:53 mats i see it now.
12:57 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: do you remember the thread re: 'organic food' ?
12:58 asciilifeform specifically how there is no place in usa where one can 'i will pay double for non-monsanto but i don't give a fuck about 'gmo' and i sure as fuck don't want to see homeopathic crud in the shop'
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12:59 asciilifeform i see same phenomenon in the auto market
12:59 asciilifeform e.g., i can go and buy 'mercedes' but what if i want to ~only~ pay for quality and ~not at all~ for stotting ?
13:00 asciilifeform or, perhaps overworked subject in my writings, the computer market: there is $wintelcrud laptop, there is crapple, but there is no (longer) tadpole computer corp.
13:00 asciilifeform !s tadpole
13:00 assbot 14 results for 'tadpole' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tadpole
13:01 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: aha k, so let's see here. 25 years ago a young couple leaves china, lebanon, russia, or the like and moves to us/canada. they proceed to find gainful employment buying or selling something or other and set about raising two children. the immigrant couple, after working diligently to put their children through university, ensuring that their kids never know physical hardship nor so much as an overd
13:01 pete_dushenski ue credit card balance, proudly watch as both kids graduate as professionals, maybe optometrists or accountants. as these kids have never had to save for anything, nor even been encumbered by uncertainty, they proceed to 'show off' their entirely disposable incomes with the purchase of nice watches and leased bmws, audis, mercedes, or porsche crossovers and to 'post' 'their' 'success' on social medias and pick u
13:01 pete_dushenski p their friends for brunch on sunday morning while talking at length about what option boxes (of the 4 available) they ticked or didn't, and why or why not. this 'aspie' set has no goals beyond the moment's likes and hearts, not unlike the set that tlp mischaracterised as patek philippe owners.
13:03 asciilifeform that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ?
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13:03 pete_dushenski as to the organic food angle, the car market is actually quite a different beast, mostly because there is no 'quality' to be had for love or money. a new mercedes will break just as readily as a new kia, just more expensively.
13:03 asciilifeform ^
13:03 asciilifeform and i find this interesting
13:04 pete_dushenski why do you think i, who can afford whatever i please, bought 'cheap' 'rusty' 26yo car ?
13:04 asciilifeform it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them.
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13:04 pete_dushenski entirely this.
13:05 asciilifeform for me, auto is just another expense. and a tool for doing a tedious and unpleasant chore. like broom.
13:05 pete_dushenski and in case anyone is curious about how 'cheap' and old merc is... it's not. i paid more in maintenance and repairs in the first year of ownership than i laid out in initial capital.
13:05 mats hm, alphago prop hit 'geekwire': http://www.geekwire.com/2016/alphago-lee-sedol-whos-underdog-in-google-ai-million-go-match
13:05 assbot Odds favor machine over human in big Go showdown ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtnSbU )
13:05 pete_dushenski *an old merc
13:06 mats alphago bitbet prop, that is.
13:07 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: maybe more like fridge in that others actually notice the brand, finishes, etc
13:07 pete_dushenski unless 'lord of the brooms' cares to defend a position to the contrary
13:08 asciilifeform nobody (but pet) sees my fridge.
13:08 pete_dushenski because you don't socialise with meat, whereas 99.4% of population does.
13:08 asciilifeform and, while plenty of people see the car, it looks like every other car. and i like this.
13:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77250 @ 0.00056506 = 43.6509 BTC [+] {2}
13:09 asciilifeform i go every day to the meat farm. and nobody there even knows which car i go in.
13:09 asciilifeform and i like this.
13:09 pete_dushenski that's the other tragic angle of the lack of quality, as it happens, everything fucking ~looks~ the same.
13:09 asciilifeform aha!
13:10 pete_dushenski goddam autocad car designers just wanna be like poorfag architects
13:10 adlai mats: more "money left on the table"!
13:10 asciilifeform i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati'
13:10 asciilifeform mega-disappointment
13:10 asciilifeform i always imagined it as a big 1950s race car thing
13:10 mats adlai: meaning?
13:10 asciilifeform but it looks no substantially different from 'honda'
13:10 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: heh
13:10 adlai mats: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-november-2015-statement/#footnote_3_64105
13:10 assbot BitBet (S.BBET) November 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tjj2xm )
13:11 mats adlai: yeah, he didn't use an affiliate link
13:12 mats i stumped 2.5btc, should be a good show
13:12 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: rolls royce looks like chrysler, mercedes looks like kia, and on and on and on. this is why my 'toy' would be 'morgan 3-wheeler' but afaik they're not importable to canada atm.
13:13 asciilifeform and inside, same junk parts
13:14 asciilifeform and 'softwarized' ignition that can fail because overwrites own firmware (yes i saw this)
13:14 asciilifeform but hey at least you can play idiot meat gamez
13:14 asciilifeform impress the chixx with how much you can put on credit card.
13:15 asciilifeform (did this ever actually work...?)
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13:16 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.50000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b21
13:17 asciilifeform mats: i can't help but wonder, if author of 'alphago' is confident that the machine can win, why not pick up some easy coin betting ?
13:21 mats asciilifeform: operator drinks from google hose, doesn't need to redeem cola cans for nickels
13:22 asciilifeform mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale.
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13:23 asciilifeform yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets.
13:23 asciilifeform but afaik it is not.
13:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00055864 = 15.4743 BTC [-] {2}
13:27 mats plenty of time left, and 'geekwire' has given bitbet some exposure
13:28 mats fan hui shit himself during the match and i think folks are overrating the ai strength
13:28 mats what is this 50-50 odds bs
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13:29 adlai mats: friend who introduced me to go claims "tournament champions should already have experience not in shitting themselves under pressure"
13:30 mats ph33r the machine
13:30 asciilifeform mats: bbbbut 'exponentially improving!11111'
13:31 * adlai reckons bet weights that taper sharply (like this one) to be better at sounding out 'insiders'?
13:31 mats i'd bet 2.5btc all of two people can explain what 'alphago' actually did when evaluating decisions during the fan hui match
13:32 adlai explain on what level? "the ANN weighings blabla" is not the same as "play away from thickness"
13:33 * adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms
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13:35 asciilifeform thing about nn is that this is fundamentally not a thing:
13:35 asciilifeform e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-01-2016#1386298
13:35 assbot Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
13:36 asciilifeform nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't.
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13:36 jurov soo i'm looking on letsencrypt, which can auth the domain by adding stuff to webroot. so, no need for it to be ran under root you'd say
13:36 asciilifeform and just as easily 'forgets' as 'learns'
13:37 jurov but not. i had to add /etc/letsencrypt, /var/log/letsencrypt writable to it
13:37 jurov and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?!
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13:38 asciilifeform l0lwut?!
13:38 jurov startssl it is again, i guess
13:39 asciilifeform jurov: what do you use ssl for ?
13:39 jurov i have several webservers, internal and external
13:40 jurov not up to pushing my own CA to everyone that uses them
13:40 asciilifeform yes i know that jurov has wwwtrons, but what is the ssl for.
13:41 asciilifeform coinbr does not use popescutronic authenticator ?
13:41 jurov mnope
13:41 jurov but i don't use free certs for that.
13:41 jurov also have other $projects which I host e.g. wiki for
13:45 jurov these wait for gopher over whispernet or what is the #b-a replacement vaporware called
13:47 adlai interestingly enough, 'abusing' image recognition ANNs to generate images generates surprisingly similar imagery to that which is found from an analogous process on NNNs
13:55 asciilifeform is this one of those abominable things that won't move a millimetre unless i push it ??!
13:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00055864 = 27.8482 BTC [-]
13:57 * adlai is talking about https://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-googles-neural-networks-look-like-theyre-on-acid
13:57 assbot Why Google's Neural Networks Look Like They're on Acid | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PA6nn0 )
14:00 adlai human go skill allegedly improves with saki consumption, i wonder whether they emulate this in the program or settle for programmer-mediated emulation
14:00 asciilifeform emulation. programmer kicks the machine.
14:01 adlai if alphago were really intelligent(tm), it would be betting on/against itself
14:01 adlai and fleece money by fooling its creators
14:01 asciilifeform adlai: iirc the sake thing originated with a certain drunken former champ
14:01 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati' << In one of the college towns I lived in there was one I'd frequently see as it bounced from parking lot to parking lot, looking more like weathered trash than other cars of similar age.
14:04 kakobrekla thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional.
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14:04 asciilifeform prolly.
14:05 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets. << I'm not entirely sold on Deep Blue II electric boogaloo having been definitive for chess. Kasparov was not Undisputed in his championship at the time. His title was not recognized by FIDE.
14:05 polarbeard http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405980 << first they made it into my list because they're never called explicitly, then revised the function and history of each, some we're left from earlier versions, others after removing the gui, etc
14:05 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 04:51:38; ben_vulpes: before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused?
14:05 polarbeard *were
14:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the kasparov match, contrary to popular notion, is not what 'killed' chess
14:06 BingoBoingo No, fritz and drug testing were.
14:06 asciilifeform rather, it was that idiots at a certain point became able to hook up chessatron to game servers and ruin the game.
14:06 asciilifeform (for what purpose, is known only to expert psychiatrists, i imagine)
14:07 BingoBoingo AH, that
14:07 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406236 << on a "for phun not money" thing
14:07 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:28:31; mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs
14:07 kakobrekla anyway speaking of bitbet, there has been a large amount of rouge behavior on it for the past ~2 weeks
14:07 asciilifeform how's that
14:07 asciilifeform (what counts as 'rogue' on bitbet?!)
14:08 danielpbarron i pointed out the missing ref= on the alphaGo bet in that geekwire article; let's see if they update it :D
14:08 * adlai has been trying to hook up a captcha solver so he can stop handspamming it
14:08 kakobrekla bots and humans trying to get in the systemz/break in the server/deplete deposit address supply etc etc
14:08 asciilifeform kakobrekla: this only started recently ?!
14:08 asciilifeform i'd have thought it would have been pestilential from day 1
14:09 kakobrekla no, it is happening all the time but it went way up from the usual noise
14:09 asciilifeform welcome to being mp-cool
14:09 asciilifeform (next step: mp-complete !!111)
14:10 kakobrekla heh
14:12 adlai !b 3
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14:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face.
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14:58 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 03:56:29; asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield.
14:58 mircea_popescu and THAT can be nickel, or anodized zinc or w/e the fuck you feel like.
14:59 asciilifeform and altschuller tells us how to 'cheat in wolf form' and make this without any lasering.
14:59 asciilifeform (he wrote this before laser was available to su industry at all)
14:59 mircea_popescu aha.
15:00 asciilifeform (answer: cast metal into mold containing fibers, which disintegrate but not immediately. instant holes.)
15:00 mircea_popescu due to the low power consumption of modern displays, this really can just be the mount.
15:00 asciilifeform aha
15:01 asciilifeform also one can make a 'poorfag' version using pcb vias
15:02 asciilifeform (solid copper - heavy-gauge pcb; many vias; mount surface mount led opposite side; attach pcb-mounted shield to led side)
15:05 asciilifeform for extra points, have two or more layers of this, ~where the holes don't line up~. how does the light pass? sheet of glass between! partial internal reflection.
15:06 mircea_popescu i almost wouldn't even need my "run gamma at 40%" thing
15:06 asciilifeform essentially one is making 'notch filter at terahertz' metamaterial.
15:06 asciilifeform as in, pass light but not 'radio'
15:06 mircea_popescu moreover, given the technology of making cds
15:07 mircea_popescu one should probably just make a cd based filter
15:08 asciilifeform as in pressed hologram ?
15:08 asciilifeform would work, but a bit thin
15:11 asciilifeform would be interesting to compare to the indium thing, e.g., http://hollandshielding.com/231-EMI%20shielded%20glass
15:11 assbot EMI/RFI Shielded Glass 9600 serie | Excellent EMI/RFI shielding performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vhxyod )
15:12 asciilifeform or hm, is this still the mesh foil.
15:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the other consideration is that JUST LIKE WITH a cipher... there could be hidden key in there.,
15:13 asciilifeform waiwut
15:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00056232 = 55.2761 BTC [-]
15:14 asciilifeform https://www.pgo-online.com/intl/katalog/ito.html << claims to sell the real thing, indium glass
15:14 assbot ITO coated glass | ITO-coating on glass substrates | CTO ... ( http://bit.ly/1VhxQvl )
15:14 asciilifeform ... key ?
15:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, "this shield is passible to X frequency"
15:14 mircea_popescu check it out jurov ! indium glass!
15:14 * mircea_popescu does a little dance of being a rightful asshole.
15:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: realize that this would be a greater marvel than washington building a magical ray to give us both ballsack cancer
15:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you are staring at indium glass right now
15:15 asciilifeform it is how your lcd conducts...
15:15 mircea_popescu nevermind!
15:15 asciilifeform l0l
15:15 mircea_popescu ikr ?
15:16 asciilifeform quite.
15:19 * asciilifeform pictures some usg pit developing a grease, of snot-like consistency, to fluoresce in rf, to slather on victim's lcd while he sleeps
15:19 asciilifeform ... or paint wall of hotel with
15:19 asciilifeform or the like.
15:20 asciilifeform laugh, but with 'oled' display, 'optical tempest' can come back
15:20 deedbot- [Qntra] 4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances - http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/
15:20 asciilifeform e.g., if thing has any pattern in the redraw, not necessarily crt-like raster
15:21 mircea_popescu "Scalia was found with a pillow over his head wearing unwrinkled pajamas (archived). " o.O
15:22 BingoBoingo Came out today, turned the thing into news
15:22 asciilifeform vintage mega-lulz re: herr scalia, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296440 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328006
15:22 assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play
15:22 assbot Logged on 20-11-2015 01:55:31; asciilifeform: 'you got due process, now stfu and sizzle in the electric chair' -- scalia
15:22 BingoBoingo Guess this is the Classi, with a dick on the C fucking the a in the assi, version of zipping self into duffelbag in the tub
15:23 mircea_popescu guy was pretty old...
15:23 mircea_popescu what was he, 70something ?
15:23 BingoBoingo Only 75
15:23 BingoBoingo Young for a Justice of the Surpreme COurt
15:24 BingoBoingo 30 years on the bench and he was still one of the younger ones
15:26 BingoBoingo But it's normal for people dying of natural causes in their sleep to struggle a bit.
15:26 mircea_popescu curious who obama appoints now.
15:27 BingoBoingo No one's talking Preet yet
15:27 mircea_popescu i guess the obama section of democrats are resigned to losing to the other one, or else they wouldn't be running around with this sort of crap.
15:29 BingoBoingo Yeah
15:31 BingoBoingo Turns out the only democratic party segments Clitler appeals to are old women and people who directly trade favors with the Clinton establishment
15:31 mircea_popescu old women are one of the most horrible bases to build government onto.
15:31 mircea_popescu seems unavoidable for the us.
15:31 BingoBoingo Yeah
15:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: can hardly wait, preet as chief-justice, already salivating
15:34 asciilifeform perhaps a 50% opendefecation rate is achievable before next election!
15:34 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: He seems like a clear Senate veto for his history of persecuting elected officials. More likely he'll be the Bernie Sanders Attorney General
15:35 mircea_popescu bharara has no political future anymore than that guy deleted out of stalin's picture did.
15:36 mircea_popescu the political future belongs to the current 15 yo who grew up during bharara's days
15:36 BingoBoingo But asciilifeform They are floating around the names of other loyal Indians
15:36 mircea_popescu and is consequently even more of a heel than his father could ever have been
15:38 jurov omg shielding lcd with metamaterial...
15:39 jurov what about proper lowpass filters for lcd signals...
15:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00056721 = 45.0648 BTC [+]
15:49 asciilifeform at any rate, preet is not a playing character, but a reflection of lizard will. a freisler.
15:49 jurov aw, tvtropeswent full bootstrap.. my eyes hurt
15:49 asciilifeform jurov: i always found it interesting that you can't get display cable ~optic~
15:49 asciilifeform (afaik)
15:50 asciilifeform even though it would be, in all likelihood, ~cheaper~ to make
15:50 asciilifeform (no need for shield, for example)
15:50 jurov why cheaper?
15:50 jurov judging from optical usb extenders, it's not
15:50 asciilifeform no copper
15:50 asciilifeform jurov: because, again, the ~extender~ is an active circuit
15:50 asciilifeform and made in quite low volume
15:51 asciilifeform i am speaking of: why the everliving fuck is the gpu connected to the lcd with anything other than a single strand of fiber.
15:52 mircea_popescu because fiber needs terminators and doesn't take well to damage.
15:52 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/IuixMHN.jpg
15:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1oko29R )
15:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: terminators !?
15:53 asciilifeform nein
15:53 asciilifeform you must be confusing it with copper coax
15:53 asciilifeform and have you tried bending copper dvi cable ?
15:53 asciilifeform 'takes well to damage' is not a thing
15:53 mircea_popescu hm
15:53 asciilifeform and no consumer ever repairs a cable, wtf
15:54 jurov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK pediwikia says consumer optic cables have high attenuation and still fragile
15:54 assbot TOSLINK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ocy01x )
15:55 asciilifeform so high that three metres is too long ?!
15:55 mircea_popescu optic cables are more fragile than anything found in derp house.
15:56 asciilifeform soo? he bends, buys another.
15:56 asciilifeform learns not to bend.
15:56 asciilifeform just as chumpers learned not to drop ipnohe.
15:57 BingoBoingo In my experience it is same people who drop pnohe that repeat that mistake indefinitely
15:57 jurov also, to have gigabit 4K bandwidth, you need singlemode fiber. and that has much more expensive connectors
15:57 jurov defon not consumer stuff
15:58 mircea_popescu i don't think you understand this whole "Consumer" thing all too well.
15:58 mircea_popescu learns ? what the fuck is wrong with you.
15:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'learns' in the circus sense. the lions that did not learn, went for bear food
15:58 mircea_popescu heh
15:59 asciilifeform (in what other sense do konsoomerz learn.)
15:59 mircea_popescu in no sense.
16:00 jurov i happen to prefer cables that are't sensitive to get pinched inadvertently
16:00 asciilifeform so don't pinch!
16:00 mircea_popescu i suspect that's the operational difference. yes you can't really bend sharply a dtvi cable.
16:00 mircea_popescu nevertheless, you CAN put a heavy item on it.
16:00 mircea_popescu not so with optics.
16:00 asciilifeform i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox
16:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform buy fiber, not like it's sold by permit.
16:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha but plug into what.
16:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 292150 @ 0.00056823 = 166.0084 BTC [+] {6}
16:01 asciilifeform where is the fiber gpu ?
16:01 asciilifeform fiber lcd ?
16:01 jurov solder a photodoiode
16:01 mircea_popescu terminators are like a coupla k's each
16:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and radiate like hell
16:01 mircea_popescu ...
16:01 asciilifeform because connected to pc with guess what! normal cable.
16:01 mircea_popescu doh ?
16:01 asciilifeform aha
16:01 asciilifeform so wtf's the use
16:02 mircea_popescu dude, you are the one that said, and i quote, <asciilifeform> i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox
16:02 mircea_popescu then tujrns out that's not what you wantg.
16:02 asciilifeform (also they all have ludicrous res limit)
16:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it isn't 'doesn't radiate' if you need a terminator plugged with normal copper, that does
16:02 jurov and do you have tempest computer case already?
16:02 asciilifeform and again, the converter box imposes idiot limits on res/refresh
16:03 asciilifeform jurov: this is not hard
16:03 asciilifeform it is peripherals which are tricky
16:03 asciilifeform hence the thread.
16:03 mircea_popescu ima bow out of this convo.
16:04 asciilifeform a replacement controller pcb for ibm keyboard that does 'toslink' instead of ps/2, i would buy.
16:04 asciilifeform would jurov ?
16:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu ?
16:05 mircea_popescu notrly.
16:05 jurov maaybe if the keyboard was shielded, too
16:05 jurov best if both em and acoustically
16:05 asciilifeform jurov: it is possible to make a trivial mod that obviates the need for shielding the scan matrix
16:05 asciilifeform the answer:
16:05 asciilifeform include rng.
16:06 asciilifeform thinkaboutit
16:06 asciilifeform presently there is a predictable row/column scan pattern
16:06 asciilifeform which is why you can 'hear' a pc keyboard from 30+ metres.
16:06 asciilifeform anyway iirc we had this thread some time before.
16:07 jurov yes. but how would toslink help there
16:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406125 << this is actually quite an important point.
16:07 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 16:04:22; trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to"
16:07 mircea_popescu da fuck is this "get to" nonsense.
16:07 jurov does the 1,5m usb cable radiate so much?
16:08 asciilifeform btw, further thread necromancy, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2016#1399548 << this is misguided, no one goes around with stereotypical 'black van' any longer, the gear is pocket-sized (knapsack at the most)
16:08 assbot Logged on 08-02-2016 00:13:06; mircea_popescu: sure. i've been hoping to do some snuff videos of "operatives" caught with gear for years now.
16:08 asciilifeform even nazis had 'gurtelpeiler'
16:08 asciilifeform jurov yes
16:08 mircea_popescu better make sure it fits in ass
16:09 mircea_popescu cuz that's exactly where it's going. repeatedly.
16:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reminds me of 'file off that front sight'
16:09 asciilifeform (traditional ru greeting to fella with bad aim)
16:09 mircea_popescu aha.
16:09 mircea_popescu the point remains : acquiring and defending sovereignity, cheaper than trying to perfect anonimity.
16:09 asciilifeform anyway if the 'ant catalogue' (per snowden2) is to be believed, it ~does~ fit in arse...
16:10 mircea_popescu from this fundamental inequality all things follow, such as god fucking help you if you try to play the field agent with me.
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16:11 asciilifeform l0l
16:11 jurov replacing of usb cables with proper shielding might get the stuff done and easier to do than optic
16:12 mircea_popescu jurov at the rate he's going, the only sane aproach is to redo the wallpaper, in mesh.
16:12 asciilifeform jurov: you will find that good shielding is tricky, you get leakage over the supply rail
16:12 BingoBoingo Nah, solid steel walls catch more spectrum
16:13 mircea_popescu which incidentally is exactly how this problem is approached profesionally, insulate a room.
16:13 asciilifeform and over the ground (which, as mircea_popescu likes to remind us, has an impedance)
16:13 BingoBoingo room inside a room
16:13 jurov so supply it with battery
16:14 asciilifeform jurov: before very long, fiber looks cheap
16:14 jurov "looks"
16:14 asciilifeform certainly compared to 'faraday room'
16:15 mircea_popescu why is faraday room expensive ? aluminum siding, legitimate industree.
16:15 mircea_popescu no mlm at all!
16:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i, like everybody else, know how to solve the problem expensively.
16:15 asciilifeform i was discussing how it could be solved inexpensively.
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16:15 jurov and optocouplers leak nothing?
16:15 asciilifeform jurov: shielding a cm^2 thing is cheap?
16:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, you know how to solve the problem but don't want to because not enough engineering involved.
16:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: being able to build anything whatsoever room-scale is a 'not for poorfag' thing
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16:16 mircea_popescu much like say a social worker would be "oh, this solution doesn't provide work for enough social workers"
16:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no, it is 'this solution requires money'
16:17 mircea_popescu mno.
16:17 asciilifeform say i want machine that does not radiate, ~under the open sky~
16:17 asciilifeform because unlike mircea_popescu , i do not have a mobile aluminum dirigible cabin.
16:18 mircea_popescu would you stop trying to support this insane lifestyle of "i need laptop" ?
16:18 asciilifeform note, it is an entirely legit thing, to design for dirigible, for reactor. but i do not have these things. so i don't design for them.
16:19 mircea_popescu it is not a way to live.
16:19 mircea_popescu it already forces you to eat from the latrine.
16:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you even knew what other things i do that are 'no way to live'
16:19 mircea_popescu you'll never have a good laptop. it is not possible.
16:20 asciilifeform was possible in 1995
16:20 asciilifeform ergo still is.
16:20 mircea_popescu you'll also not have easy, meaningless sex with random women that you enjoy. and you won't be able to eat from garbage cans and always find exactly what you wanted to find in there.
16:20 mircea_popescu the solution to these faux problems is always the same, "don't want very much". which will make random offering perfectly fine.
16:20 mircea_popescu but then you don't want to be a mouse.
16:22 jurov !up dooglus
16:22 jurov btw, your brain leaks, too
16:22 asciilifeform jurov: go and pick it up.
16:23 asciilifeform (pretty sure 'squid' still requires shaving heads, a mm or so max)
16:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fact is, i'm not a mircea_popescu , and i design and build out of materials that i can have , rather than what i would have if i were a mircea_popescu .
16:26 mircea_popescu this is not properly called "designing".
16:26 mircea_popescu "we don't have iron, so we make swords of the reeds we have" is not sense.
16:26 jurov if you can't design yourself, don't tell us it would be cheap
16:27 mircea_popescu jurov "they don't succeed at making money, but that's secondary - they succeed at feeling like a trader".
16:30 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/#comment-46429
16:30 assbot 4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1oktGZB )
16:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187150 @ 0.00056093 = 104.978 BTC [-] {7}
16:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406186 << notrealy. the other ingredient is never beating the kids.
16:37 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:03:19; asciilifeform: that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ?
16:37 mircea_popescu which is a peculiar weird of the us/canada.
16:38 shinohai BingoBoingo: Shouldn't line read "cessation of continued heart beats" ?
16:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406191 << that's not it. some people have WHOM TO PROVE THEOREMS TO!
16:39 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:04:21; asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them.
16:39 mircea_popescu most people just scream into a void.
16:40 adlai this is why markets are excellent... they're the dissertation committee that never goes home
16:41 mircea_popescu or ever makes any sense.
16:41 mircea_popescu ask newton if he more enjoyed his time with the euro jet set that recognized the lion by his claw ; or with the domestic merchant class that drove the south sea bubble.
16:42 adlai eh, markets make sense quite often, trouble is milking out the sense before the market understands itself
16:43 adlai (change-class goban 'ouija)
16:44 mircea_popescu "making sense quite often" is like the cipher that mostly works lol
16:45 asciilifeform l0l
16:46 adlai on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everycipher drops to mostly
16:46 asciilifeform me ok i'll bite!
16:46 asciilifeform to ~whom~ does perelman prove ?
16:47 adlai if you're better at quantifying how much sense a market's making to you, than other traders, then you stand to earn more, more often, than them.
16:47 adlai even without "understanding" it in any deterministic sense
16:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform which is why he doesn't.
16:47 mircea_popescu he has no friends.
16:47 mircea_popescu that's the fucking thing there. "some people have no theorems to prove ; most people have no friends that'd know a proof"
16:48 * adlai goes back to slinging conses, because he's "not good enough to sling dope"
16:48 mircea_popescu i didn't go to school every morning i knew the other kids would show up because "i had theorems to prove"
16:48 mircea_popescu i went because when we were all together it was pretty cool.
16:49 adlai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNTltOGh5c
16:49 assbot Miles Davis - So What - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1okwJ43 )
16:50 * asciilifeform grasps where mircea_popescu is going with this
16:50 mircea_popescu ahaha check that out kakobrekla bitbet is nao famous.
16:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that my misfired 5b played a part in this
16:51 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy. nicely done :)
16:51 * mircea_popescu is tempted to bet himself now.
16:54 thestringpuller https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/45xz0s/hi_im_a_user/ << "Consumers have come to expect" in the wild.
16:54 thestringpuller "They shouldn't have to care. They're users. The entire point of being a user is not having to care."
16:54 mircea_popescu nice epitaph for heroin addict.
16:54 BingoBoingo shinohai: ty fxd
16:54 mircea_popescu "he was a user, he never cared, which is the point."
16:55 asciilifeform technical term is - 'luser'
16:55 asciilifeform pronounced 'ell-user'
16:56 BingoBoingo !up Gentilhomme
16:57 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> nice epitaph for heroin addict. << Note the shared self destructiveness of the illnesses. To be a "user" is to plot a fatal course.
16:58 thestringpuller asciilifeform: "In Internet slang, a luser (sometimes expanded to local user; also luzer or luzzer) is a painfully annoying, stupid, or irritating computer user."
16:59 mircea_popescu thestringpuller notreally. it's just a dude that expects computers to be metaphysical objects not made of discrete parts.
17:01 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406226 << works regularly, yes.
17:01 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:15:15; asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?)
17:02 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406230 << yes, but the higher up on the scale, the higher the reasonableness of confidence either way while also closer to mats' hose.
17:02 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:22:55; asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale.
17:04 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406244 <<< actually i'm persuaded ai's learning, if actually present, is in principle not translatable to "human terms" ie some readily fih heuristic.
17:04 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:33:11; *: adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms
17:04 asciilifeform aha, dragonfly.
17:05 asciilifeform skinner did not have nn, he instead taught pigeon to fly a rocket bomb. and did not ask the pigion how he did it, also.
17:06 mircea_popescu technically pigeon was nn
17:06 adlai mircea_popescu: only reason i ignore my unqualification to comment on this topic is that some dude showed up at the local bitcoin wateringhole to demo his luser-friendly stockfish interpreter
17:06 mircea_popescu lol
17:07 adlai (stockfish is https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish )
17:07 assbot GitHub - official-stockfish/Stockfish: UCI chess engine ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi1VjA )
17:07 asciilifeform wat's stockfish?
17:07 asciilifeform hm
17:08 adlai dude's illusory relevance to bitcoin was looking for some in order to polish the thing off; which is ironic, because it was quite polished already! unclear where to insert coin.
17:10 asciilifeform adlai: where do you find these folks.
17:11 * adlai just babysits the watering hole and the folks find their way in... it's right across from the stock exchange, people literally walk in and ask "didn't bitcoin die last year"
17:11 asciilifeform and what's a bitcoin watering hole?
17:12 adlai http://www.bitembassy.org/
17:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152700 @ 0.00056883 = 86.8603 BTC [+] {5}
17:13 adlai most relevant&explanatory nonsense pasted in its bathroom is https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/42535 which i didn't post myself but strongly identify with
17:13 assbot Quote by Joseph Heller: “Actually there were many officers' clubs that Y...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1okAoii )
17:22 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406248 << you recall my discussion of magic and its advantages ?
17:22 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:36:26; asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't.
17:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406252 <<< ahjahaha what in the everloving ?
17:24 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 18:37:44; jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?!
17:24 mircea_popescu only root can read that anyway.
17:26 deedbot- [Qntra] Pravda: Missing Batteries Led Billion Dollar Blimp Astray - http://qntra.net/2016/02/pravda-missing-batteries-led-billion-dollar-blimp-astray/
17:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406275 << this is not actually true.
17:27 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 19:04:00; kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional.
17:28 mircea_popescu lol mp-complete.
17:29 mircea_popescu nice work keeping it together kako :)
17:29 asciilifeform a problem is mp-complete if its solution requires being mircea_popescu !
17:29 mircea_popescu and in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/cffa17602be167edc880c4d98319ab81/tumblr_mm6dffZQnM1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
17:29 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1okC9fd )
17:29 asciilifeform it is mp-hard if it requires merely being phriendz with mircea_popescu ...
17:29 mircea_popescu glasses! let's see if this makes alf say she has an expression! maybe he only digs intellectual chix
17:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and i suppose the problem of ages is whether cunt is mp-complete or merely mp-hard ?
17:31 asciilifeform possibly.
17:33 asciilifeform i suppose i got it backwards
17:33 asciilifeform mp-hard - requires being mp.
17:35 mircea_popescu everyone gets it backwards when mp's hard!
17:35 asciilifeform l0l!
17:37 mircea_popescu !up kefkius
17:40 asciilifeform http://www.nada.kth.se/~viggo/problemlist/compendium.html << related...
17:40 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi7qib )
17:47 jurov BingoBoingo: The Billion Dollar blimp which WAS the victim
17:47 jurov now you have to send me one share :)
17:51 BingoBoingo ty jurov
17:55 mircea_popescu lol
18:02 * BingoBoingo rearranging booksshelves, because seems like most practical way to make reading list
18:03 jurov !up dbclk
18:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what's on your list ?
18:09 shinohai The blimp article is just priceless BingoBoingo
18:11 danielpbarron yeah i lolled
18:14 mircea_popescu lol not bad
18:24 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406303 << wouldn't you get nasty diffraction at micron level
18:24 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 19:58:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face.
18:25 asciilifeform punkman: more holes than pixels.
18:25 asciilifeform think aperture grille on crt.
18:25 mircea_popescu many many holes
18:25 asciilifeform aha
18:26 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll take a picture once I get it sorted. Some things like SICP have yet to be acquired.
18:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you can read sicp for phree on www
18:27 asciilifeform (not even pdfated!11)
18:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I saw, but I like to scribble.
18:27 asciilifeform the films are also on www
18:28 asciilifeform (yes there was a film series)
18:28 BingoBoingo scribble, place postit notes, etc.
18:28 asciilifeform http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures << them
18:28 assbot Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Video Lectures ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqrC6W )
18:28 BingoBoingo hard to do with www
18:29 asciilifeform interestingly, these were filmed when some american megacorp (hp?) sent (1980s) its employees to get sicp'd
18:29 asciilifeform hence the adult audience visible in the foreground
18:31 BingoBoingo Not too uncommon. At Carbondale one graduate class I took on (John) Dewey was filled with Chinese students sent by the Party to get Pragmatized.
18:37 punkman more from "my code went to space"-experts http://www.verticalsysadmin.com/making_robust_software/
18:37 assbot Mars Code: building robust software ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqsfNK )
18:39 asciilifeform nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe
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18:39 asciilifeform otherwise snore.
18:40 BingoBoingo Let us not forget occasional catastrophe has only become more frequent as NSA has aged
18:40 asciilifeform waiwut
18:41 BingoBoingo Old NASA has Apollo 1 as its sole mega catastrophe (Apollo 13 counts instead as elegant save). New NASA lost two space shuttles.
18:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: phun phakt: the su 'manned moon' prototype rockets exploded - all 4 of'em - for no particularly good reason.
18:43 asciilifeform largest rockets ever built.
18:44 asciilifeform (depending on how measured)
18:44 BingoBoingo They exploded for good reason. Entropy tends to find a way.
18:44 asciilifeform esp. if helped.
18:44 BingoBoingo Even if that way is CIA mole
18:45 asciilifeform recall also that these were primarily 'super' mirv rockets.
18:45 asciilifeform as in, 1+ cone for every u.s. metropolis.
18:45 ben_vulpes STAND BACK
18:45 asciilifeform (or rather, prototypes thereof)
18:45 ben_vulpes I'M CARBONATING WINE
18:48 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The 30 or so rockets in first stage was likely ill advised.
18:50 BingoBoingo 30 irv's prolly fine. 30 mega kerosene openings at the bottom seems like invitation to problem.
18:55 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406651 < i am not sure 2. is avoidable in the current state of affairs
18:55 assbot Logged on 15-02-2016 23:39:11; asciilifeform: nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe
18:57 mircea_popescu has ben_vulpes discovered spritz ?
18:59 shinohai https://redd.it/45xz0s <<< "user is king" keks
18:59 assbot Hi, I'm a User : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtCw5 )
19:01 adlai speaking of which, http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spritz+from%3Aadlai is superceded/obsoleted/completed by https://github.com/pasky/speedread
19:01 assbot 3 results for 'spritz from:adlai' - #bitcoin-assets search
19:01 assbot GitHub - pasky/speedread: A simple terminal-based open source Spritz-alike (per-word RSVP aligned on optimal reading points) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtKf4 )
19:14 mircea_popescu in other vaguely lulzy news : previous (socialist) argentine government "signed" a treaty with china, allowing them a fancy new "satellite" base in the far south, right next to the pole.
19:15 ben_vulpes well that was a miserable idea
19:15 mircea_popescu the current "we will pay lizardhitler cronies" guy is going to try and renegotiate that thing to add a clause that the base is "not to be used militarily". as if it has any other fucking purpose than ready bombardment of us/canada.
19:15 mircea_popescu none of this is, of course, ever to be reported in the pravda.
19:16 mircea_popescu suffice it to be said that if you're looking for a place to live in case of open hostilities with china (not that there's any likelyhood of that), texas way better than chicago or new york.
19:17 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Where's your qntra submission on this subject?
19:24 ben_vulpes best of best is to live in incuntsequential hipster holes
19:25 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: How do you know the hipster holes won't be cleansed for aesthetics?
19:27 pete_dushenski sort of a lot of expense for the sake of aesthetics
19:28 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: How do you judge the cost of making a Deepwater port and fulfilling Teller's dream at the same time? You clease the coastal hipster holes.
19:33 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo meh, kinda low level lulz.
19:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: antarctic ?!
19:33 mircea_popescu yeah
19:33 asciilifeform texas?!
19:34 asciilifeform explain?
19:34 mircea_popescu i'd gladly explain if you used a verb in your questions like sane people.
19:34 asciilifeform ah i get it, nm
19:34 mircea_popescu the miracle of forcing verbs in verbiage!
19:35 asciilifeform btw idea belongs to chelomey
19:35 asciilifeform (contemporary of korolev)
19:35 mircea_popescu aha.
19:35 asciilifeform boil the 'great lakes'
19:36 asciilifeform of course this was back when usa had factories there.
19:38 asciilifeform i still don't get why cn would need antarctic base when it can shoot over north pole.
19:39 asciilifeform like sane people.
19:39 BingoBoingo In case Russia gets alarmed by CN launch
19:40 asciilifeform l0l
19:41 BingoBoingo The Russia/China Border not disputed. Better to launch over all the Americas where who the fuck in the flight path can complain?
19:41 * BingoBoingo just recieved "computer maintenance department scam call
19:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.0005603 = 31.9371 BTC [-] {2}
19:42 asciilifeform anyway rockets are so 20th c
19:42 asciilifeform proper nuke - orbits.
19:42 asciilifeform and deorbits.
19:42 BingoBoingo Eh, why not just weaponize a panamax or a suezmax a la best korea
19:43 asciilifeform a fedex crate, aha.
19:44 BingoBoingo Problem with orbit is keeping it, and problem with nuke is maintenance
19:45 asciilifeform good for ~20 yr
19:45 BingoBoingo And then you gotta get it down safely or peace has an expiration date
19:46 asciilifeform also remember that orbit of comm sats is low because tx/rx
19:46 asciilifeform nuke needs only receive.
19:47 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: do your know what graveyard orbit is?
19:47 BingoBoingo recieve and avoid having its traditional explosives decay through radition exposure.
19:47 BingoBoingo Not really?
19:47 asciilifeform look it up
19:49 BingoBoingo Ah, further up where it becomes still harder to collect for fuel later.
19:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00056194 = 9.6935 BTC [+]
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21:17 deedbot- [Trilema] The woman's fault - http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/
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22:08 BingoBoingo http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/4980
22:08 assbot The Beige of Beijing | Standpoint ... ( http://bit.ly/1R5tJ4u )
22:10 BingoBoingo "And the architecture! Never was any city more captivated by the rectangle. As you take off from Beijing airport, clumps of residential developments rise relentlessly into the distance, each cluster often 60 or so high-rises apiece, each high-rise 50 or so stories tall — seeming to reproduce SimCity-style as you watch. They are all drab, they are all the same, they are all hideous. (A student asked after my event whether perhaps
22:10 BingoBoingo I didn't care for Beijing's architecture merely because it was "unfamiliar". I looked at him in astonishment. "Unfamiliar!" I exclaimed. This stuff is all over the world!" And an assault of Bauhaus is hardly Chinese.) Put up in the engineering equivalent of 15 minutes, none of these buildings is made to last — but when I asked my winsome Han tour guide what would happen when they collapsed, she said with cheerful gusto, "We'll
22:10 BingoBoingo build them again!""
22:12 BingoBoingo "The fact that all over Beijing you have to put soiled loo roll in a little basket beside the toilet is telling: the infrastructure is fragile." << Very Rural of them
22:13 mircea_popescu the toilet paper nuttery is endemic in central america also. i always ignored it, to no detriment. sort-of wondering whether there's any more substance to this nonsense than any urban legend. to this day for instance south koreans believe magical asphyxiation rays come out of fans left running while people sleep.
22:13 mircea_popescu the telltale, specific nonsense old women come up with, but particularly successfully rooted.
22:14 BingoBoingo Around here the toilet paper is associated with the very rural people who have fragile septic tank systems.
22:15 BingoBoingo Those of us in town get our flushing (and wire internet) privilege
22:15 mircea_popescu what is a bit of cellulose supposed to do ?
22:15 mircea_popescu it actually decomposes faster than feces.
22:16 BingoBoingo Over time supposedly accumulates. It may break down faster than feces, but it doesn't liquify as fast.
22:16 mircea_popescu you ever tried this experiment ? or how do you know ?
22:16 BingoBoingo The concern isn't actually the tank, but the pipes that run from the tank to the leech field
22:16 BingoBoingo Heard horror stories.
22:17 BingoBoingo Got to enjoy tales of the weirdo bumpkin kids on college campuses who were in the no flushing the toilet paper habit
22:17 mircea_popescu i heard horror stories about jews stealing good german women's sexual mojo, also.
22:17 mats on the subject of Koreans
22:17 BingoBoingo WHo hasn't heard those?
22:17 mats I have heard more than one insist that Confucius was Korean
22:19 mircea_popescu there's this general tendency of shitty countries to entertain this dream that they're really cool.
22:19 mircea_popescu there's a section of romania convinced that this romanian dude invented writing and taught the romans to fuck and egyptians to pyramid.
22:19 mats and that their cultural dress is original, rather than heavily derivative of the fashions from the Tang
22:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: don't forget the little detail where 'fan death' somehow ... only happens to ethnic koreans!
22:21 mircea_popescu right,
22:22 mats this is what happens when americans prop up a nation of farmers
22:22 mircea_popescu americans ARE a nation fo farmers.
22:22 mircea_popescu most of them, first generation in shoes, actually.
22:24 mats and while I'm venting about Koreans, their food fucking sucks and utterly lacks any kind of nuance
22:25 asciilifeform mats: tell this to nubbins', iirc he is eating kimchi still, many years after his tour of duty
22:26 mats the only thing the world knows about .kr food is Korean BBQ and kimchi
22:26 mats think about that for a second
22:27 asciilifeform forgot dogs
22:27 * BingoBoingo is disappoint that other people discovered beef tongue is delicious and it is priced locally on par with other actual foods that don't suck
22:27 mats my grandfather ate dog during the famine, no shame in that
22:28 asciilifeform not in famine, but as standard butcher shop fare
22:28 mats also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too
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22:28 asciilifeform mmm
22:28 mats welcome to hell
22:29 asciilifeform the swap detail is interesting
22:29 mats so many koreans I have met, have serious attitude problems
22:30 mats so many chix are high maintenance princesses, dudes tend to be belligerent and unbearable when drunk
22:31 asciilifeform saw a great kr film not long ago, about baduk (go) mafia
22:31 asciilifeform showcases both.
22:34 mats recall the name? I'll add to my list
22:37 asciilifeform 'divine move'
22:37 asciilifeform http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3419894
22:37 assbot Sin-ui Hansu (2014) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1olf6kv )
22:48 mats the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party
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22:49 mats people here have no sense of scale beyond the drops of blood spilled on 9/11
22:52 mats hundreds of millions toiled, sweat blood, and died in the last thirty years to make .cn great
22:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00055508 = 14.6541 BTC [+]
22:54 mats meanwhile my generation chants 'feel the bern' because he proffers entitlements on the backs of corporations
22:55 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406782 << good nyooz! this is fixable!111
22:55 assbot Logged on 16-02-2016 03:48:41; mats: the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party
22:56 asciilifeform won't be long to wait.
22:58 mats i wonder all the time if this is just wishful thinking on my part
22:59 mats many ancient empires took centuries to die, despite entering infirmity long before, after all
23:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00055456 = 11.0357 BTC [-]
23:02 mats anyways, finite
23:02 mats gnite*
23:10 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406770 << this is the worst thing i've ever read in here.
23:10 assbot Logged on 16-02-2016 03:28:14; mats: also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too
23:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25415 @ 0.00055508 = 14.1074 BTC [+] {2}
23:18 mircea_popescu hey, they swap daughter with neighbour prior to fucking, why not infant prior to eating.
23:19 danielpbarron not the swap part :/
23:20 danielpbarron that makes sick sense; don't want to eat own son
23:34 BingoBoingo !up Compute-c
23:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00055514 = 22.6497 BTC [+] {3}
23:45 BingoBoingo http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html
23:45 assbot 1999 Darwin Award: Resistance is Futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEgRrb )
23:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74105 @ 0.00056186 = 41.6366 BTC [+] {4}
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