00:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103384 @ 0.00057264 = 59.2018 BTC [+] {2} |
00:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50350 @ 0.00056947 = 28.6728 BTC [-] |
00:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00056917 = 43.7692 BTC [-] {2} |
00:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130850 @ 0.00057351 = 75.0438 BTC [+] {2} |
00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
so cusp -> cuspy -> cuspily |
00:37 |
ben_vulpes |
it ain't conjugation 'cause it ain't a verb, (and this question clearly makes me an "ESL" speaker) so what is the linguistic term of art for constructing language elements like this? |
00:37 |
mircea_popescu |
there isn't a "like this" |
00:38 |
mircea_popescu |
in general, re parts of speech, it's called flexion. |
00:38 |
mircea_popescu |
verbs have conjugations, nouns have declensions. |
00:38 |
mircea_popescu |
there's also derivation, when stems are altered to fit concepts. |
00:39 |
mircea_popescu |
verbal flexion follows tense, aspect and number accord with the nouns. it also applies to adverbs in some languages. noun declension follows case and number. these are grammar rules. |
00:40 |
mircea_popescu |
derivation on the other hand is how you obtain lesser from less, or beautiful from beauty, so it's prolly what you were after. |
00:40 |
ben_vulpes |
c'est possible |
00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm frustrated by having been taught a myriad of languages (to retard-level competence only), but NEVER LATIN |
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00:44 |
mircea_popescu |
that's unfortunate. |
00:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29947 @ 0.00057383 = 17.1845 BTC [+] |
00:45 |
ben_vulpes |
nothing like the forum to point out the inadequacies of one's history |
00:46 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, most latin speakers in the history of that language learned it as adults. |
00:46 |
mircea_popescu |
the fate of all successful empires. |
00:48 |
ben_vulpes |
i have only learned programming languages as an adult |
00:49 |
ben_vulpes |
aaa |
00:49 |
ben_vulpes |
i just referred to myself as an adult |
00:50 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
00:55 |
ben_vulpes |
huh |
00:55 |
ben_vulpes |
i suppose a 'learn latin as an adult' strategy is going to take a few weeks to cook up. |
00:56 |
mircea_popescu |
what's the rush. |
00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
every day i'm closer to dying and my myelin sheaths less conductive? |
00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
that's a myth. |
00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
what was i saying ? |
00:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14534 @ 0.00056905 = 8.2706 BTC [-] {2} |
00:58 |
punkman |
bon dia https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1wE4HfCAAAYFAH.jpg:large |
00:58 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/20TeMun ) |
00:59 |
mircea_popescu |
(incidentally the fucking point of myelin is to not conduct. it's the dielectric in the arrangement.) |
01:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7416 @ 0.00056873 = 4.2177 BTC [-] {2} |
01:01 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 7.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b27 |
01:02 |
asciilifeform |
aha like the nylon in coax cable |
01:03 |
asciilifeform |
!s myelin |
01:03 |
assbot |
8 results for 'myelin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=myelin |
01:03 |
asciilifeform |
see ^ old mega-thread. |
01:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78181 @ 0.00057356 = 44.8415 BTC [+] {4} |
01:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2016#1405357 << go, learn |
01:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-02-2016 05:43:45; ben_vulpes: i'm frustrated by having been taught a myriad of languages (to retard-level competence only), but NEVER LATIN |
01:04 |
asciilifeform |
srsly languages aren't hard , wtf |
01:07 |
ben_vulpes |
i simply have not yet |
01:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83422 @ 0.0005664 = 47.2502 BTC [-] {3} |
01:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84050 @ 0.00057391 = 48.2371 BTC [+] |
01:21 |
punkman |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/16/this-startup-bets-10000-that-your-marriage-will-end-badly/ |
01:21 |
assbot |
This startup bets up to $10,000 that your marriage will end badly - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/20TglIG ) |
01:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00057245 = 6.5259 BTC [-] |
01:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29560 @ 0.00057253 = 16.924 BTC [+] |
01:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67296 @ 0.0005717 = 38.4731 BTC [-] {2} |
01:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00057391 = 15.0938 BTC [+] |
01:51 |
mircea_popescu |
hehe nice punkman |
01:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2259 @ 0.00056639 = 1.2795 BTC [-] |
01:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99583 @ 0.00056665 = 56.4287 BTC [+] {2} |
02:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27096 @ 0.00056907 = 15.4195 BTC [+] |
02:09 |
punkman |
in other latin news http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/feb/10/ancient-greek-manuscripts-reveal-life-lessons-from-the-roman-empire |
02:09 |
assbot |
Ancient Greek manuscripts reveal life lessons from the Roman empire | Books | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tgoxg4 ) |
02:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00056529 = 24.2509 BTC [-] {2} |
02:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63496 @ 0.00057165 = 36.2975 BTC [+] {3} |
02:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00057432 = 19.412 BTC [+] {2} |
02:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14885 @ 0.00056627 = 8.4289 BTC [-] |
02:32 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b26 |
02:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00057438 = 16.0252 BTC [+] |
02:38 |
punkman |
lol "Several hospital staff members said the computer system was hacked and was being held on a ransom of 3.4 billion in bitcoins" http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/FBI-LAPD-Investigating-Hollywood-Hospital-Cyber-Attack-368703121.html |
02:38 |
assbot |
FBI, LAPD Investigating Hollywood Hospital Cyber Attack | NBC Southern California ... ( http://bit.ly/20whUH9 ) |
02:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00057294 = 15.4694 BTC [-] |
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03:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00057438 = 5.9161 BTC [+] |
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03:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37680 @ 0.00057158 = 21.5371 BTC [-] {2} |
03:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 263028 @ 0.00056005 = 147.3088 BTC [-] {6} |
03:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00055952 = 25.2903 BTC [-] {4} |
03:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64800 @ 0.00055945 = 36.2524 BTC [-] {2} |
04:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127750 @ 0.00055945 = 71.4697 BTC [-] {3} |
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04:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00055945 = 8.3918 BTC [-] |
04:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00055945 = 4.9791 BTC [-] |
04:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81200 @ 0.0005589 = 45.3827 BTC [-] {3} |
04:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63200 @ 0.00056496 = 35.7055 BTC [+] {3} |
04:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00055848 = 32.2243 BTC [-] {2} |
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05:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00056331 = 10.0382 BTC [+] {2} |
05:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2714 @ 0.00056331 = 1.5288 BTC [+] |
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05:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54490 @ 0.00055906 = 30.4632 BTC [-] {4} |
05:45 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b97 |
05:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86850 @ 0.00056312 = 48.907 BTC [+] {2} |
06:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23342 @ 0.00056038 = 13.0804 BTC [-] |
06:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60521 @ 0.00056126 = 33.968 BTC [+] {2} |
06:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62000 @ 0.00055839 = 34.6202 BTC [-] {2} |
06:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33959 @ 0.00056009 = 19.0201 BTC [+] |
06:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178100 @ 0.00055578 = 98.9844 BTC [-] {5} |
06:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6478 @ 0.00056009 = 3.6283 BTC [+] |
06:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00056249 = 29.362 BTC [+] |
06:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45151 @ 0.00056614 = 25.5618 BTC [+] {3} |
06:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153900 @ 0.00055776 = 85.8393 BTC [-] {6} |
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07:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85200 @ 0.00055415 = 47.2136 BTC [-] {2} |
07:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88700 @ 0.00056729 = 50.3186 BTC [+] {3} |
07:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84650 @ 0.00056758 = 48.0456 BTC [+] {2} |
07:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10689 @ 0.0005645 = 6.0339 BTC [-] |
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07:58 |
mircea_popescu |
lol @x.eur |
07:58 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Bettermint |
07:58 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman srsly, 3.4bn ?! |
08:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, it's hollywood. Could be those Best Koreans again... |
08:02 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
08:03 |
mircea_popescu |
actually a sort of commedia could be made where a fake bitcoin internet group attacks the hollywood fake hospital they use in films, and encrypts their made up records to be recovered upon payment of large sum in scamcoin. |
08:06 |
BingoBoingo |
It just seems very Best Korean to focus on the entertainment industry and not... literally anything else. |
08:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.0005645 = 14.2254 BTC [-] |
08:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10951 @ 0.00056765 = 6.2163 BTC [+] |
08:19 |
punkman |
probably typo, like the qntra posts that turn billions to millions, but in reverse |
08:23 |
punkman |
actually surprised that no altcoin inventor yet has come up with ransomware as a feature |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
08:24 |
punkman |
"our new wallet features built-in ransomware and keylogger" |
08:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86560 @ 0.00056816 = 49.1799 BTC [+] {3} |
08:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00057061 = 21.4264 BTC [+] {2} |
08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
"give your friends the gift of blackmail!" |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
(actually - this is a pretty well represented subculture, contrary to what intuition may be telling you) |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
08:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Apparently a new spambot turn on while I was sleeping: "I sat up in a cold sweat. Had someone's hand rellay been over my mouth or was I dreaming. My hotel room was pitch black save for the dim glow of my laptop screen. The Boingo application blinked angrily at me as the wifi had obviously been interrupted suddenly. My midnight snack, a half-eaten cream puff, lay awkwardly on the floor.Suddenly, I heard a wicked scream just before |
08:57 |
BingoBoingo |
a dark figure in the corner started moving toward me. I tried to roll out of bed but realized my feet were tied to the bed. What the hell was happening?" |
08:58 |
BingoBoingo |
AI at work |
09:00 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds like women in text. |
09:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Another machine generated gem: Stop screaming I was thknniig wait that was me screaming. Where is Cream Puff? I told them we shouldnt come to the Boingo house. Everyone knows its haunted. There are all sorts of wicked smells coming from the basement and now the basement has Cream Puff. Who knew what sort of ghoulish things they may do to her then I see her
its Cream Puff I think
.she came from the back of the house. |
09:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Her eyes all glazed over; her body shaking. She never was the same dog after the Boingo house that fateful Halloween night. |
09:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14111 @ 0.0005645 = 7.9657 BTC [-] |
09:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22681 @ 0.00056369 = 12.7851 BTC [-] |
09:05 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe save these for reddit ? |
09:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16586 @ 0.00056369 = 9.3494 BTC [-] {2} |
09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
and in further baltimore news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4thlkldUf1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg |
09:06 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1oBtm8q ) |
09:07 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Out of 50 these were the only ones of interest |
09:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23864 @ 0.00056289 = 13.4328 BTC [-] |
09:09 |
BingoBoingo |
In other news facebook.com in any part of a comment to qntra no longer passes go, goes straight to hell never to be seen. |
09:09 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, they wanna be on qntra let them use our advertising platform. |
09:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Seriously. Reddit level AI bot was linking nothing but facebook and such a variety of things there's no other way to prevent it from reemerging. |
09:17 |
deedbot- |
[Trilema] The Burbuja! - http://trilema.com/2016/the-burbuja/ |
09:18 |
kakobrekla |
http://www.htius.com < this looks sort of interesting, anyone got a comment on it? |
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09:18 |
assbot |
Hamilton Technologies ... ( http://bit.ly/1oBuqt9 ) |
09:33 |
shinohai |
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2016-02-09/news/70480113_1_self-help-groups-swachh-bharat-mission-clean-india |
09:33 |
assbot |
Govt asks banks to pitch in to make India open defecation free - timesofindia-economictimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAuY92 ) |
09:34 |
shinohai |
tired of designated shitting streets. |
09:39 |
punkman |
kakobrekla: wtf is that |
09:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56989 @ 0.0005713 = 32.5578 BTC [+] |
09:41 |
kakobrekla |
cant tell you anything more than what the pages says |
09:41 |
kakobrekla |
-s |
09:44 |
BingoBoingo |
shinohai: Now's your chance to audition for qntra. You've got a story, now your headline is "Indian Government And Banks Suppressing Cornerstone Of Local Culture" |
09:45 |
shinohai |
Because Qntra is dedicated to preserving Indian rights to shit in the street? |
09:46 |
BingoBoingo |
shinohai: Because Qntra points out ACTUAL oppression like this. |
09:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Anyways I thought most areas in India where this is popular they generally had designated shitting fields. |
09:53 |
shinohai |
"The Indian Government declined to comment as to whether they would also provide a toilet to Preet Bharara, so he would stop shitting in American streets and court buildings." |
09:53 |
punkman |
ah apparently some Apollo mission thing, built on Ada |
09:53 |
BingoBoingo |
"so he would stop shitting class of Americans that apires to productivity" |
09:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2016#1405476 << holy fuq, the sheer 'visual pr000000gramming!' crapolade ! |
09:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-02-2016 14:18:39; kakobrekla: http://www.htius.com < this looks sort of interesting, anyone got a comment on it? |
09:57 |
asciilifeform |
sooooo visual! |
09:57 |
kakobrekla |
hypercard anyone? |
09:59 |
punkman |
https://medium.com/@3fingeredfox/margaret-hamilton-lead-software-engineer-project-apollo-158754170da8 |
09:59 |
assbot |
Margaret Hamilton, lead software engineer, Project Apollo — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/243BbnL ) |
09:59 |
asciilifeform |
not even the demented author of hypertalk thought that drawing the limbs the of the ast was a good idea... |
10:01 |
asciilifeform |
anyway, looks like nail clippings... and i'm an esolang aficionado, even. |
10:02 |
asciilifeform |
and proprietary crudlang, on top of this. |
10:02 |
asciilifeform |
couldn't try it even if i wanted. |
10:05 |
asciilifeform |
i'll use a proprietary compiler shortly after my appointment as reichsminister, where i will commute to ft. meade on flying pig over a frozen hell. |
10:08 |
shinohai |
BingoBoingo: where to send poo in loo submission when finished? |
10:08 |
BingoBoingo |
sign and encrypt it and get the text to me somehow. |
10:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00056503 = 32.1502 BTC [-] {2} |
10:09 |
kakobrekla |
compiler? it generates the code to be compiled. apparently can generate ada too. |
10:09 |
shinohai |
kk |
10:10 |
asciilifeform |
wtf, why would ~generated~ ada seem like a good idea. |
10:11 |
asciilifeform |
but i will add that this thing is extremely appealing when seen in contrast with microshit, and thus survives |
10:11 |
kakobrekla |
because ada has huge overhead? |
10:12 |
asciilifeform |
this is an entire business model, if one can call usgtronics 'business' |
10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla 17 Inman Street Cambridge,Massachusetts02139, 1-5mn revenue, 10-20 employees. looks like one of the [very numerous, usually derpy] some-guys-on-mit-campus-incorporeted-a-something deals. |
10:13 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: no, because generated code is idiocy |
10:13 |
asciilifeform |
unreadable crud |
10:14 |
copypaste |
asciilifeform: it's business if you can cash into BTC; not whether you have the foresight to do so, but whether you have the ability to |
10:14 |
mircea_popescu |
(617) 492-0058 if you feel like asking orally. |
10:14 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: with my luck, i'll end up working there next ! |
10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, you earned it! |
10:15 |
asciilifeform |
prolly |
10:16 |
asciilifeform |
pet informs me that the hamilton chick is being passed around the pheminizm circles |
10:16 |
asciilifeform |
did she keel over recently? or why. |
10:23 |
kakobrekla |
i know you are not a fan of abstraction but you also didnt write 'v' in machine code |
10:23 |
asciilifeform |
actually i like abstraction. |
10:23 |
kakobrekla |
afaik home computers werent good for much before the 'basic' came around |
10:24 |
kakobrekla |
do you suggest the current level of abs is the best there is and ever will be |
10:24 |
asciilifeform |
what i dislike is crud that adds nothing. |
10:24 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b27 |
10:24 |
asciilifeform |
i like, e.g., 'j'. |
10:24 |
asciilifeform |
and even apl. |
10:25 |
asciilifeform |
even haskell, i admit has a bright side. |
10:25 |
kakobrekla |
i suspect we need to break out of this 'writing code' thing we do, like we did with machine code. |
10:25 |
asciilifeform |
but what spiffy abstraction am i missing in the linked nail clippings? |
10:26 |
copypaste |
it is just a new language, is what you're missing. all languages are just machine code generators |
10:26 |
kakobrekla |
im not claiming the linked implementation is worth much but i suspect it has some good ideas, like not 'writing code' anymore. |
10:26 |
asciilifeform |
realize, there is not nor cannot be any escape from actually specifying a problem. |
10:26 |
copypaste |
it's an IDE for a new proprietary language. it's crud, sure, but code generation isn't bad by itself |
10:27 |
BingoBoingo |
In absurdly popular subreddits, /r/vandwellers/ has 26,000+ subscribers |
10:27 |
asciilifeform |
the spec can look like, say, 'prolog' (constraint-based programming) BUT you still have to ... program! |
10:27 |
asciilifeform |
copypaste: not new |
10:27 |
kakobrekla |
this is like claiming 'you still need to machine code' in the seventies |
10:28 |
asciilifeform |
mno |
10:28 |
asciilifeform |
more like 'still need arithmetic' |
10:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00057023 = 20.8704 BTC [+] |
10:32 |
kakobrekla |
but you do arithmetic with 'special symbols', visually, not in plaintext (as argued not so long ago with mo) |
10:32 |
kakobrekla |
with mp* |
10:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00057099 = 27.0649 BTC [+] {2} |
10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo> In absurdly popular subreddits, /r/vandwellers/ has 26,000+ subscribers << i suspect living in a van will be the new middle class in the us. |
10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
"hey, at least i don't live in the projects. i choose who rapes me!" |
10:35 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla while he is stuck in a very hard to defend middle, still, i gotta say this "code generators" line you're arguing has a lot in common with the "betterment" that was to come from autocading all architecture. |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
it still has failed to materialize. |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile medicine goes through the same process as we speak, and the deleterious effects are pointedly obvious. |
10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
for that matter, the move from asm to c/basic HAS resulted in shittier programs throughout. |
10:37 |
asciilifeform |
aha and so i even liked 'mathematica' |
10:37 |
asciilifeform |
but the hamilton thing is garbage. |
10:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61618 @ 0.00056888 = 35.0532 BTC [-] {2} |
10:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: that was largely from lowering the entry bar. |
10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform for the sake of argument, consider this issue : <asciilifeform> but the hamilton thing is garbage. ; hamiltoninc : "Here are some properties and features that make 001 unique: Always number one when put to the test." |
10:38 |
kakobrekla |
actually without 'code generators' your computer is useless, its just a matter of how away from the bedrock your abstraction is |
10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
now how do i, as a third party, resolve this dispute ? |
10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
note that they're not even fucking contradictory ffs. |
10:39 |
kakobrekla |
and to think current setup is optimal seems far fetched to me. |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
the "we are living in best possible world" argument is broken by definition. |
10:41 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: did i say this?? where? |
10:42 |
kakobrekla |
somewhere in the logs where you pasted a pic of a triple integral or somesuch |
10:42 |
kakobrekla |
i dont recall |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, let's cut the discussion to a particularly comfortable example : the internet was "going to open up human knowledge". instead it has created the WORST fucking style of prose the english language has ever known. tedious, humourless but contrived, inept and coming up short in all measures, from cracked to wikipedia the language is bleeding. there is not more knowledge but less, and even its clothes are haggard |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
as never before. |
10:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: you resolve it by sending the proprietary crud to hell |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
this shit just doesn't work and is certainly no solution. |
10:43 |
kakobrekla |
or was it a matrix |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i recall a matrix. |
10:43 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: elementary iq-drop-from-admitting-human-waste situation |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform and its network effects. which are never well accounted for. |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
but allowing one rotten apple in rots the set, and allowing one lazy slavegirl ruins the lot and so on. |
10:44 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: aha. understand, i like rich notation, MEANINGFUL graphical devices, etc. |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
meaning is not a property of things. |
10:45 |
asciilifeform |
But this is crud. tell me, what does drawing the ast ADD??? |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't see what drawing the matrix adds, either. arguing to ignorance alfie ? |
10:45 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: MEANINGLESSNESS can, however, be. |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
it can be, but it's a much tougher nut than generally understood. |
10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
you can prove that meaning is impossible, just not trivially. |
10:46 |
asciilifeform |
go and make for me something i can use in place of a matrix. |
10:46 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 8.88800000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b28 |
10:46 |
kakobrekla |
i am not defending the implementation, just that there might be some merit to the ideas presented there. why do you chart v patches?! |
10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
(in fact, the lulzy otp discussion last week was EXACTLY re proven absence of meaning) |
10:46 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: have you seen interlisp ? |
10:46 |
kakobrekla |
i dont think so |
10:47 |
asciilifeform |
that was where she lifted the interesting part. |
10:47 |
asciilifeform |
it had a structure editor |
10:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78555 @ 0.00056489 = 44.3749 BTC [-] |
10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform> that was where she lifted the interesting part. << lol nicely put, what meaning is contemplated ? "she [metaphorical person] lifted her skirt, rather than shoes and sleeves and whatnot random insanities" "she [interlisp author] stole the good bits for once, rather than dubious ux or w/e" |
10:48 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally i cannot tell, from the screenshots, whether that thing has a structure editor, like interlisp, or merely clutters the display |
10:49 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i`d answer but my gas mask cartridge needs changing |
10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
burbujas! |
10:49 |
asciilifeform |
Aha! |
10:50 |
kakobrekla |
there is a workflow video buried somewhere on site. |
10:50 |
asciilifeform |
btw youbastard!111 now i wonder if i have it11! |
10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
you're well & come. |
10:50 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: i`ll watch it when i get my computer back together |
10:51 |
asciilifeform |
(right now i`m on a toystore thing) |
10:52 |
asciilifeform |
but if you like structure editors, interlisp (destroyed by commonlisp, incidentally, and by symbolics, as described in the pitman link from mircea_popescu ) is your sunken atlantis ! |
10:52 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
10:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00056489 = 15.9299 BTC [-] |
10:53 |
punkman |
/me remembers a hospital visit that concluded in a thunderous fart while doctor was palpating |
10:53 |
kakobrekla |
i dont see it as a 'cake of death' question, more like 'piss or shit' one. |
10:54 |
kakobrekla |
'cake OR death' i meant. |
10:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16451 @ 0.00056489 = 9.293 BTC [-] |
10:58 |
punkman |
"The history of Vandwelling goes back to horse drawn vehicles such as Roma Vardo wagons in Europe, and covered Conestoga wagons in the United States. One of the first uses of the term Vandwellers was in the United Kingdom showman and Van Dwellers' Protection Association, a guild for travelling show performers formed in the late 1800s. Shortly afterwards in 1901, Albert Bigalow wrote “The |
10:58 |
punkman |
Vandwellers”, about people living on the verge of poverty having to live a nomadic life in horse drawn moving vans." |
11:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72294 @ 0.00056389 = 40.7659 BTC [-] {4} |
11:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Congrats to shinohai on his first qntra piece |
11:07 |
shinohai |
\o/ I poo'd in the loo |
11:07 |
deedbot- |
[Qntra] Government, Banks Assault Rural Indian Culture - http://qntra.net/2016/02/government-banks-assault-rural-indian-culture/ |
11:08 |
shinohai |
Will remember to add the archive.is links next time though BingoBoingo, thanks |
11:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuege state https://i.imgur.com/o0eT4ni.jpg |
11:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1ogkNAg ) |
11:15 |
shinohai |
Sithosi? |
11:15 |
shinohai |
*Sitoshi |
11:16 |
shinohai |
>mfw "satoshi" is Bitcoin's shibboleth |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
11:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61546 @ 0.00057137 = 35.1655 BTC [+] {3} |
11:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62754 @ 0.00057342 = 35.9844 BTC [+] {2} |
11:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34550 @ 0.00057342 = 19.8117 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
11:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00056432 = 11.0607 BTC [-] {2} |
12:06 |
mats |
what an excellent troll |
12:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59819 @ 0.00057351 = 34.3068 BTC [+] {2} |
12:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Now this is promising |
12:13 |
BingoBoingo |
http://jeff.mulb.us/articles/gwhb/gwhb.php |
12:13 |
assbot |
jeff blum - Gateway Handbook ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqanKw ) |
12:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65888 @ 0.00057399 = 37.8191 BTC [+] {2} |
12:29 |
oglafbot |
http://oglaf.com/hartsline/ |
12:29 |
assbot |
Hart's line ... ( http://bit.ly/1mAQq5M ) |
12:29 |
ben_vulpes |
congratulations on surviving the bubble attempt mircea_popescu |
12:30 |
mircea_popescu |
"p |
12:34 |
BingoBoingo |
To be fair many markets do not overcome bubbles as robustly as mircea_popescu does |
12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
because no mucus. |
12:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Oil industry too? Not mucus but still has lubricant. |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
mucus is also sticky. |
12:36 |
BingoBoingo |
So are certain petroleum fractions |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. not in same way i dun think. |
12:40 |
ben_vulpes |
"on the reception and detection of profound bullshit": http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5acbe1d5-c431-4e41-8d57-213e039e5764/?raw=true |
12:40 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1lVysv0 ) |
12:40 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Sqdnql ) |
12:42 |
ben_vulpes |
"This sort of |
12:42 |
ben_vulpes |
phenomenon is similar to what Buekens and Boudry (2015) |
12:42 |
ben_vulpes |
referred to as obscurantism (p. 1): “[when] the speaker... |
12:42 |
ben_vulpes |
[sets] up a game of verbal smoke and mirrors to suggest |
12:42 |
ben_vulpes |
depth and insight where none exists.”" |
12:42 |
ben_vulpes |
what is this obscurantist claptrap?! |
12:44 |
mod6 |
morning |
12:44 |
ben_vulpes |
why do people^H^H^H^H^H^Hbarbarians insist on this moronic 2-column publishing style |
12:48 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.50000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b15 |
12:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50972 @ 0.00056432 = 28.7645 BTC [-] |
12:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28030 @ 0.00056314 = 15.7848 BTC [-] {2} |
12:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22320 @ 0.00056231 = 12.5508 BTC [-] {2} |
13:00 |
mod6 |
so was thinking about pushing out that v99995 today. |
13:00 |
mod6 |
but found an edge case that causes an infinte loop. |
13:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5978 @ 0.0005636 = 3.3692 BTC [+] |
13:01 |
mod6 |
this happens if the antecedent hash matches the descendant hash. |
13:03 |
ben_vulpes |
i would like to see the vdiff that craps that down |
13:03 |
mod6 |
the fix for this amounts to adding one condition statement when building the map of hashes. |
13:03 |
ben_vulpes |
i am reminded of the "enumerating badness" thread |
13:03 |
mod6 |
ben_vulpes: it basically shouldn't ever happen, but it could and since; no means yes, yes means anal. |
13:04 |
ben_vulpes |
ideally a v impl. knows what vpatches are to look like and barfs on anything that doesn't look like that instead of trying to catch all of the edge cases |
13:04 |
mod6 |
to test it, i had to hand-diddle one of the vpatches. easy enough to do. if someone is doing something very strange or bad or whatever on their system it could lead to an infinate loop. |
13:05 |
ben_vulpes |
well at least it's not a fork bomb? |
13:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63304 @ 0.00056606 = 35.8339 BTC [+] |
13:06 |
mod6 |
well, no forking going on. im guessing it'll die when it runs out of ram, but haven't checked that yet. |
13:06 |
mod6 |
what do you mean by "v impl. knows what vpatches are to look like" |
13:06 |
mod6 |
how would it know ahead of time, short of having a hash for the vpatch itself? |
13:07 |
ben_vulpes |
the structure, not the contents. 'fork bomb' was a joke, mod6. |
13:08 |
ben_vulpes |
don't take me too seriously this morning mod6 i got dressed and went to the office before realizing it was still sunday |
13:08 |
mod6 |
yeah, in this regard, my V basically does know what to look for in a given vpatch file -- the thing it wasn't doing is checking that the hashes match eachother -- which can cause a downstream infinate loop when traversing the map. |
13:09 |
mod6 |
*infinte |
13:09 |
mod6 |
no worries ben_vulpes. |
13:09 |
mod6 |
ive been a bit fried lately myself. |
13:10 |
mod6 |
ive got problems at the shit-shoveling factory that are giving me headaches :/ |
13:10 |
ben_vulpes |
good auld-gean stables |
13:13 |
mod6 |
so one of my cpu threads goes to 100% and memory usage starts to climb. |
13:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5518 @ 0.00056606 = 3.1235 BTC [+] |
13:21 |
BingoBoingo |
<ben_vulpes> why do people^H^H^H^H^H^Hbarbarians insist on this moronic 2-column publishing style << Journals demand it for printing |
13:26 |
jurov |
https://medium.com/@21/true-micropayments-with-bitcoin-e64fec23ffd8#.cirap8jjc |
13:26 |
assbot |
True Micropayments with Bitcoin — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1odyMWM ) |
13:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96547 @ 0.00055889 = 53.9592 BTC [-] {3} |
13:33 |
jurov |
apparently opening and closing of the tab still requires macrotransactions |
13:34 |
shinohai |
That's good since that $400 box only produces pennies a week. |
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13:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.0005589 = 7.2657 BTC [+] {2} |
13:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71649 @ 0.00055912 = 40.0604 BTC [+] |
14:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75450 @ 0.00055859 = 42.1456 BTC [-] {3} |
14:08 |
mod6 |
ok, so instead what I'll do here is add an automated test to check for this, so i don't regress later. and then most likely will put out a 3rd beta patch for people to test/review. |
14:08 |
mod6 |
then in a few days i'll consider publishing the bundle again. thanks for your support/patience/help, etc. |
14:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00055633 = 43.6163 BTC [-] {2} |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
so in "weird of the crowd" news, eulora player just bought an auctioned package from s.mg for 140, split it up, and barely managed to recoup HALF the cost. |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
this is possibly the weirdest thing i ever saw. |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
<mod6> ben_vulpes: it basically shouldn't ever happen, but it could and since; no means yes, yes means anal. << lol io like how he thinks. |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
and cheers mod6 |
14:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00055592 = 42.8058 BTC [-] {3} |
14:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78657 @ 0.00056433 = 44.3885 BTC [+] {2} |
14:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00056644 = 29.4832 BTC [+] {2} |
14:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19081 @ 0.00056628 = 10.8052 BTC [-] {2} |
14:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63319 @ 0.000555 = 35.142 BTC [-] {2} |
14:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53862 @ 0.00055879 = 30.0975 BTC [+] |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
!up cameonxfactor |
15:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73150 @ 0.00055728 = 40.765 BTC [-] {2} |
15:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.0005539 = 30.5199 BTC [-] {4} |
15:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80068 @ 0.00056207 = 45.0038 BTC [+] {5} |
15:14 |
shinohai |
https://medium.com/@barmstrong/i-ll-bet-you-5-000-that-bitcoin-s-first-hard-fork-works-out-just-fine-a380abbe97b3#.gbp4xpqms <<<LOLCOWZ |
15:14 |
assbot |
I’ll bet you $5,000 that bitcoin’s first hard fork works out just fine — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ogRDRA ) |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai derp never heard of bitbet ? |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
"i am in bitcoin, i just don't know anything about it. like those people from new york that dunno what the chrysler building is!" |
15:17 |
shinohai |
Just a few days ago he equated Bitcoin to web browsers - fitting since they are the IE of BTC |
15:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00056726 = 3.4603 BTC [+] |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
!up PaulCapestany |
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16:13 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b29 |
16:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112950 @ 0.00055798 = 63.0238 BTC [-] {4} |
16:30 |
* |
asciilifeform back. |
16:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4720 @ 0.00055674 = 2.6278 BTC [-] {2} |
16:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65680 @ 0.00055328 = 36.3394 BTC [-] {3} |
16:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84050 @ 0.00056132 = 47.1789 BTC [+] {3} |
16:42 |
mod6 |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000211.html |
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↖ |
16:42 |
assbot |
[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 3 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xs3JTm ) |
16:42 |
mod6 |
Thanks mp |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
what'd i do ?! |
16:43 |
mod6 |
just for the 'cheers' & everything else :] |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
:p |
16:43 |
* |
asciilifeform back in business with 2x the cpu&ram |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
in other bitcoin news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3o42oWtSJ1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg |
16:43 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Xs3SGD ) |
16:44 |
mod6 |
i'll give it a few days and then will roll up a full bundle. i've got an automated test for this case now too. |
16:44 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: for phuctor? |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
nono |
16:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141500 @ 0.00055194 = 78.0995 BTC [-] {2} |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
for own box. |
16:47 |
mod6 |
ah cool |
16:48 |
mod6 |
mod6 heavy industries needs new box for mining |
16:50 |
mod6 |
... there's this remote island where you can mine stuff like shiny rocks and rotten fruit. |
16:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47009 @ 0.00055193 = 25.9457 BTC [-] {2} |
17:04 |
ben_vulpes |
happy valentines day and many blowjobs to all! |
17:04 |
ben_vulpes |
https://twitter.com/martinshkreli/status/698750951889506305 << blowjobs and lolz |
17:08 |
ben_vulpes |
https://gcaptain.com/iran-oil-embargo-first-tankers-depart-for-europe-since-sanctions-ended/ << suezmax full of oil leaves iran headed for eu somewhere |
17:08 |
assbot |
Iran Oil Embargo - First Tankers Depart For Europe Since Sanctions End - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/2443lix ) |
17:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20814 @ 0.00056578 = 11.7761 BTC [+] |
17:18 |
shinohai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2016#1405720 <<< patched and checksums match mod6 |
17:18 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-02-2016 21:42:16; mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000211.html |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell kakobrekla 'silent wings' fan are very very spiffy. and now the loudest thing in the room, giant doubleconverter ups, is deafening in comparison. gonna have to re-fan it now... |
17:29 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
17:30 |
kakobrekla |
they are arent they. |
17:30 |
asciilifeform |
there's gotta be a catch though. do they died after 6 mo. ? or what. |
17:30 |
asciilifeform |
*die |
17:30 |
kakobrekla |
nope. |
17:31 |
kakobrekla |
i have been running mine for 2 years are are as good as new as far as i can tell |
17:31 |
kakobrekla |
and are* |
17:32 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: i finally broke down and did the whole new-case, filters, etc. thing. |
17:32 |
asciilifeform |
sorbothane legs. |
17:33 |
kakobrekla |
i also had the problem of ups being the loudest, but it fanless, i think its the transformer that is noisy |
17:33 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: this one can't be run fanless, it is the kind that has the inverter going at ~all times~ |
17:34 |
asciilifeform |
whatever the fuck in; clean sinusoid out. |
17:34 |
kakobrekla |
its not impossible to make inverter go fanless |
17:35 |
asciilifeform |
possible but not at 1.5kW in 2u box. |
17:35 |
kakobrekla |
anyway, you can only take it so far. at some point you will hear birds from outside and so on. |
17:35 |
kakobrekla |
cant turn them off. |
17:35 |
punkman |
why not |
17:35 |
punkman |
just need bb gun |
17:35 |
asciilifeform |
i like animal sounds |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
people - not so much. fans - also not so much. |
17:36 |
kakobrekla |
hope you got a quiet psu as well |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
fanless. |
17:37 |
kakobrekla |
:) |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
i can sorta hear the inductors tho |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
and i still have a few mechanical drives, that have not yet been replaced with flash |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
but even so, mega-kudos to kakobrekla for the discovery. |
17:39 |
kakobrekla |
im glad someone else found my effort useful. |
17:39 |
asciilifeform |
!rated kakobrekla |
17:39 |
assbot |
You rated user kakobrekla on 12-Apr-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: expert infrastructural welder. holds up the sky.. |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
!rate kakobrekla 5 not only expert infrastructural welder, but unearthed a 15dB pc fan somehow. |
17:40 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a9a15c966a8ef6c0 |
17:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47097 @ 0.00056516 = 26.6173 BTC [-] {3} |
17:41 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.kakobrekla.5:d3f2ca11ae8994f35adf6193e7fc455df676304fb0df2e69aef82f87fcf4ac51 |
17:41 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 4 to 5 with note: not only expert infrastructural welder, but unearthed a 15dB pc fan somehow. |
17:42 |
asciilifeform |
!rated mod6 |
17:42 |
assbot |
You rated user mod6 on 24-Apr-2015, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: therealbitcoin.org. met in the flesh. jolly good fella.. |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
!rate mod6 5 met alive; expert gardener of therealbitcoin.org; implementer of the first fully-functional battlefield-grade vtron. |
17:44 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7faf2403b487dbb5 |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.mod6.5:ced60388fba0d2dcb1060ca1efd4d33e22ad3c8bafbbe02aa5b5768b2b743034 |
17:44 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for mod6 from 3 to 5 with note: met alive; expert gardener of therealbitcoin.org; implementer of the first fully-functional battlefield-grade vtron. |
17:45 |
asciilifeform |
!rated phf |
17:45 |
assbot |
You rated user phf on 01-Aug-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: ru lisper; sometimes tests my code, even. |
17:46 |
asciilifeform |
!rate 3 phf ru lisper; http://btcbase.org/patches |
17:46 |
assbot |
3 is not registered in WoT. |
17:46 |
assbot |
trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1SP5343 ) |
17:46 |
asciilifeform |
!rate phf 3 ru lisper; http://btcbase.org/patches |
17:46 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/69d8ed1fe01b3e51 |
17:46 |
assbot |
trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1SP5343 ) |
17:47 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.phf.3:0894ff7517d826362f0139f879a7fb089ea895cc55450aa920a55096d9abafc1 |
17:47 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for phf from 2 to 3 with note: ru lisper; http://btcbase.org/patches |
17:47 |
asciilifeform |
!unrate zfx |
17:47 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8c01f1bb8fadaebd |
17:48 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.zfx:84d4c3c4a11794d315af8dad9917a440f07e317ef95471e2bd186b58133e988c |
17:48 |
assbot |
Successfully unrated zfx |
17:48 |
asciilifeform |
!unrate binaryatrocity |
17:48 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f8d39f9791ca12ca |
17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla> i have been running mine for 2 years are are as good as new as far as i can tell << good bearings, less wear, last longer. |
17:49 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.binaryatrocity:cca6afbd0049d1b89a8a4d530197592913a11f642ed93492ad55ed0631fde6d2 |
17:49 |
assbot |
Successfully unrated binaryatrocity |
17:49 |
asciilifeform |
!unrate rebeccabitcoin |
17:49 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1d4669c7dbbb79fd |
17:49 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.rebeccabitcoin:276362c9ec8c098210179b76f98cee871c02820c1f567498f81738aca4c4fd8d |
17:49 |
assbot |
Successfully unrated rebeccabitcoin |
17:50 |
asciilifeform |
!rated kanzure |
17:50 |
assbot |
You rated user kanzure on 22-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: meat programmer. |
17:51 |
asciilifeform |
!rate kanzure -1 minor-league quisling; inquire within |
17:51 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f13b1f138055f7ce |
17:51 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.kanzure.-1:07c6735219a02aee0857eb3bb1e8cb965dc3a795963df5d5a292d7fe4e168003 |
17:51 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for kanzure from 1 to -1 with note: minor-league quisling; inquire within |
17:51 |
asciilifeform |
!rated jurov |
17:51 |
assbot |
You rated user jurov on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: live human!!. |
17:52 |
shinohai |
This is why I like asciilifeform he can use "quisling" in a sentence. |
17:52 |
asciilifeform |
!rate jurov 4 therealbitcoin.org treasurer; long-suffering maintainer of ml 'turdatron'; and miscellaneously strong intellect |
17:52 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b8683351fca2f521 |
17:53 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.jurov.4:c5dd088ae79af018d445e669fc8e8b0e584ef1c8b7dc458fdbb9adfc93d51d0e |
17:53 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 1 to 4 with note: therealbitcoin.org treasurer; long-suffering maintainer of ml 'turdatron'; and miscellaneously strong intellect |
17:53 |
asciilifeform |
almost done.... |
17:53 |
asciilifeform |
!rated BingoBoingo |
17:53 |
assbot |
You rated user BingoBoingo on 25-Jan-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: retrocomputing archaeology enthusiast, intelligent commentary.. |
17:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67244 @ 0.00056448 = 37.9579 BTC [-] |
17:55 |
asciilifeform |
!rate BingoBoingo 3 preaches tirelessly to the heathens - qntra.net ; retrocomputing archaeologist and the proverbial alert reader. |
17:55 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6249b9a2ac441f9 |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.BingoBoingo.3:e96cd04596f1c29a6c5713345d09780e3556a0334d1a5acd6a75d0c59af68312 |
17:56 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 with note: preaches tirelessly to the heathens - qntra.net ; retrocomputing archaeologist and the proverbial alert reader. |
17:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10275 @ 0.00056431 = 5.7983 BTC [-] |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
i think that's all for now. |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
cool huh. |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
sorry about the noise, but tradition dictates that this oughta be done 'in forum.' |
18:04 |
asciilifeform |
sooo in other newz i put down 5btc on a bitbet and whaddayaknow, 'high S value' |
18:04 |
asciilifeform |
(generated, naturally, from ancient box) |
18:05 |
asciilifeform |
idiocy. |
18:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00055933 = 34.5107 BTC [-] {4} |
18:06 |
asciilifeform |
does anyone have a link handy to where in the logz mircea_popescu calculated what it would cost to run a guaranteed-block-in-x-days mine ? |
18:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67450 @ 0.0005518 = 37.2189 BTC [-] {4} |
18:16 |
kakobrekla |
i dont but according to ze enemy; Current cost per TH: 0.0039 BTC per day |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
which enemy |
18:17 |
kakobrekla |
http://nodecounter.com/mining_donation_fund.php |
18:17 |
assbot |
NodeCounter.com (XTnodes.com) - Bitcoin Classic, XT, Unlimited Nodes, Blocks, Graphs, Charts, Statistics ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pu56hn ) |
18:17 |
asciilifeform |
l0l! |
18:17 |
asciilifeform |
what's a ~honest~ mine cost ? |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it's a very simple calculation really : 1 block out of 24 * 60 / 10 = 1/144 of total hash |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!s 25.25 |
18:18 |
assbot |
5 results for '25.25' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=25.25 |
18:19 |
asciilifeform |
hm |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
lol @ scam foundation's bfl-pushing rag whining "bitcoin dictators" |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the plural invalidates the point, derps. what fucking dictatorS ? how's that shit supposed to work ? |
18:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00055147 = 33.943 BTC [-] {3} |
18:28 |
kakobrekla |
roughly 1 petahash will get you 1 block per 1000 blocks |
18:29 |
kakobrekla |
you need more like 1 per 100 (144 per day) |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
;;nethash |
18:30 |
gribble |
1214630509.42 |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 1214630509.42/144 |
18:30 |
gribble |
8434934.09319 |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
8,4 PH |
18:31 |
kakobrekla |
30 bt per day according to node counter donations |
18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
but you get the 25+change back. |
18:32 |
kakobrekla |
yeah. |
18:32 |
shinohai |
I should throw up a donation page like that saying I'll mine classic blocks - 35 BTC!!! |
18:34 |
asciilifeform |
i have my wrath bit set, re: the high-S thing |
18:35 |
asciilifeform |
send perfectly valid tx, now i have to figure out a way to double-spend own tx, failed to make a bet in time, and may very well end up in limbo |
18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
there's really better things to chew the scenery about. |
18:36 |
kakobrekla |
what limbo? |
18:36 |
asciilifeform |
1) it was a good chunk of my net worth 2) it was a surrender to shitgnomery which i still don't properly understand |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla he'll have to reconstruct the wallet |
18:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00055285 = 22.114 BTC [+] |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which asciilifeform ... good time to make a wallet fixer now :) |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i've already unsheathed the knives |
18:37 |
kakobrekla |
he is speaking like he will lose the btc |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
but i'd be curious to see what mircea_popescu has in mind |
18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
well he can't spend it again till he convinces his wallet that tx should go away |
18:40 |
asciilifeform |
i would malleate own tx to low-s atm but i don't have a handy proggy written for this |
18:40 |
asciilifeform |
(anybody else?) |
18:41 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i contemplated 'fixing wallet' ages ago, but doing so was complicated by the fact that i REALLY, ~REALLY~ do not like spending coin. |
18:41 |
asciilifeform |
so how to test?. |
18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
sending coins to yourself is called mixing not spending. |
18:42 |
asciilifeform |
it is only 'to yourself' if your test is successful ! |
18:42 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: pick up some deedbot- dust |
18:42 |
asciilifeform |
plus there is fee |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
money is for practical people asciilifeform |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
not for idealists. |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
not only this, |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
but money is for people... with money. |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
looking at the block spam atm, "money" is ~5000 satoshi |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
how's that |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
tx fee for the spam blocks. |
| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
19:08 |
punkman |
this weather http://i.imgur.com/FZRafjn.png |
19:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/20UIOhc ) |
19:11 |
punkman |
a wallet spec might be nice to have |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
the whole 'wallet' concept is braindamaged and must die. |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
specify x1 from addr a1, x2 from a2, ... x_n(a_n) |
19:12 |
asciilifeform |
enough with the 'intelligence'. |
19:12 |
asciilifeform |
and enough with the machine 'knowing' that you 'spent.' |
19:12 |
mats |
punkman: mine http://imgur.com/WcmNYnu |
19:12 |
assbot |
Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/20UJgMw ) |
19:13 |
punkman |
took me a sec to realize that was in F |
19:14 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: what do you mean 'knowing' that you 'spent.' |
19:14 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: see thread from 1/2hr ago |
19:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58221 @ 0.00055309 = 32.2015 BTC [+] {2} |
19:25 |
kakobrekla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2016#1402007 < watched. not bad. i return the ball with another war flick; 'lepa sela, lepo gore' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116860/ |
19:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-02-2016 13:43:13; *: adlai offers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_(2009_film) for any movie bloggers who are curious about how much tanks are loved |
19:25 |
assbot |
Joli village, jolie flamme (1996) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qgc6vI ) |
19:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00055342 = 32.4858 BTC [+] |
19:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16629 @ 0.00055342 = 9.2028 BTC [+] |
19:36 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell BingoBoingo some lulz, http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/Mensch_Computer.cfm |
19:36 |
assbot |
The Mensch Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/20ULDz2 ) |
19:36 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
19:37 |
asciilifeform |
'The Mensch Computer is a solid state computer that was never designed to compete in the PC market. It's not a PDA, calculator, home controller or personal organizer, but it could be any of these things. It was designed to provide simplicity without complexity allowing users to evolve it into their own creation. Many people put a lot of thought and many years into the design to provide a head start for many projects. There are |
19:37 |
asciilifeform |
several assembly language library routines built into firmware and a ROM monitor allowing the ease of programming any of the included devices including graphics, sound, game controllers, communication to a PC, Printer or Modem or other solid state devices. The ROM monitor provides an easy interface menu for checking registers and modifying data in memory. All software listings, schematics and documentation are included.' |
19:37 |
* |
asciilifeform does not own this box, cannot recommend or disrecommend !! |
19:37 |
asciilifeform |
but sounds vaguely and pleasantly temple-os-y. |
19:39 |
asciilifeform |
appears to use a variant of the 6502 processor that is still made by western design inc. |
19:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87286 @ 0.0005585 = 48.7492 BTC [+] {2} |
19:40 |
asciilifeform |
interestingly, the chip design is licensable... http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c02s-core.cfm - presumably for serious dough |
19:40 |
assbot |
W65C02S 8-bit Core ... ( http://bit.ly/20ULVWx ) |
19:41 |
asciilifeform |
now, mad kudos to anyone who can locate a 'mensch computer' available for purchase... |
19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Computer8 |
19:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00056327 = 52.4404 BTC [+] {3} |
| |
~ 28 minutes ~ |
20:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00055849 = 18.4302 BTC [-] |
20:20 |
ben_vulpes |
https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm/commit/e2edf81271e1a7dd148aa7386b730ae2838c2860#diff-b2301b53c4e2272d63fb6047c851c925L82 |
20:20 |
assbot |
Add some useful key bindings · ch11ng/exwm@e2edf81 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U24Byg ) |
20:20 |
ben_vulpes |
this is why tab aligned shit in code is the devil |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
eh ? |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
http://40.media.tumblr.com/b4ae78d04011ef41870a94e938edd05b/tumblr_nltsroIJdF1s9sr6mo1_1280.jpg << the ACTUAL devil. |
20:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1U25OWi ) |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo "thousands of years of cultural tradition assualting the beloved practice of open defecation in rural India" |
20:49 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: what am i looking at |
20:52 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: exwm is... an x11 window manager written in elisp |
20:52 |
trinque |
I use the thing, love it actually |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
ick |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
why elisp |
20:53 |
trinque |
so that all windows are emacs buffers |
20:53 |
trinque |
rather, emacs windows |
20:54 |
trinque |
amounts to being able to get around rather quickly with a uniform set of keybindings and a simple mental model |
20:54 |
trinque |
rather than having window management both at the x11 level and again in emacs |
20:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00055849 = 31.1079 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
21:21 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> what's a ~honest~ mine cost ? << during the Altcoin srs bsns days rented hash with varying relability from https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/sha256 |
21:21 |
assbot |
Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQ97Oj ) |
21:24 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: very spiffy looking machine |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: quite unobtainable, it seems. |
21:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!up k8 |
21:25 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "thousands of years of cultural tradition assualting the beloved practice of open defecation in rural India" << should be fixed now |
21:25 |
mircea_popescu |
cool |
21:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Bugged shinohai to write to for the occasion to dust off the preecture |
21:27 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Computer0 |
21:33 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Shame. That 6502 box looks like it would make a spiffy musical instrument since it has the game port for midi |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, bride's maids. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4u88luixN1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg |
21:45 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1KQbAbt ) |
21:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00056434 = 22.3196 BTC [+] {2} |
22:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13072 @ 0.00056577 = 7.3957 BTC [+] {2} |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
does pywallet actually work with trb ? |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
for anybody ? |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
i get 'ERROR:root:Couldn't open wallet.dat/main.' |
22:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.0005586 = 30.3599 BTC [-] {2} |
22:14 |
* |
ben_vulpes shrugs |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
22:35 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: funkenstein's patches applied to bitcoind patched with the 99996 script for me |
22:35 |
trinque |
I saw the same error with pywallet |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
22:54 |
asciilifeform |
to pick up a thread from yesterday, re: rf shields that pass light, |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
in my collection of junk there is an apple wireless keyboard thing |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
it has a power led that shines through the aluminum chassis |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
(the latter has microscopic holes lasered in it, in a circle pattern approx. the size of a printed period) |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield. |
| |
↖ |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
(would have to laser a few million holes) |
23:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71391 @ 0.0005586 = 39.879 BTC [-] |
23:08 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: yeah, that pywallet thing is hairy, but i did eventually get it to work |
23:08 |
mod6 |
i'll log my usage next time i use it. |
23:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125954 @ 0.00055895 = 70.402 BTC [+] {2} |
23:17 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b17 |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
aaaah finally. |
23:20 |
mod6 |
i think i had to do a -rescan too |
23:20 |
kakobrekla |
the easiest is to pull wallet from backup :) |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
funnily enough, the malleators got to it first. |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
interestingly, immediately while i sent the double. |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
(is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?) |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
polarbeard: i *will* however read through several hundred lines of deletion |
23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused? |
| |
↖ |
23:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96200 @ 0.00055633 = 53.5189 BTC [-] {2} |