00:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278814 @ 0.0005593 = 155.9407 BTC [+] {2} |
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00:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61243 @ 0.00055312 = 33.8747 BTC [-] {3} |
00:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90500 @ 0.00055869 = 50.5614 BTC [+] {2} |
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00:45 |
deedbot- |
[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What else have you “come to expect” from your stock exchange? - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/14/what-else-have-you-come-to-expect-from-your-stock-exchange/ |
00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
front running, primarily |
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01:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102691 @ 0.0005586 = 57.3632 BTC [-] {2} |
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02:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72730 @ 0.00055222 = 40.163 BTC [-] {3} |
02:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158220 @ 0.00055156 = 87.2678 BTC [-] {4} |
02:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39890 @ 0.00055835 = 22.2726 BTC [+] {2} |
02:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29610 @ 0.00056042 = 16.594 BTC [+] {2} |
02:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119550 @ 0.00055117 = 65.8924 BTC [-] {3} |
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02:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90841 @ 0.00055113 = 50.0652 BTC [-] {3} |
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03:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86550 @ 0.00056042 = 48.5044 BTC [+] {2} |
03:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220600 @ 0.00056395 = 124.4074 BTC [+] {5} |
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04:00 |
punkman |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca9FJ9LWIAESaBy.jpg:large |
04:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/244JvDW ) |
04:01 |
punkman |
https://twitter.com/GLOCKInc/status/698962783979712512 |
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04:23 |
punkman |
http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/ |
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04:23 |
assbot |
The siege of Herbalife - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/244KZy2 ) |
04:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 385700 @ 0.0005651 = 217.9591 BTC [+] {3} |
04:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00319579 = 2.3968 BTC [-] {9} |
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04:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.0028335 = 2.1251 BTC [-] {4} |
04:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20978 @ 0.00056398 = 11.8312 BTC [-] |
04:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73072 @ 0.00055455 = 40.5221 BTC [-] |
05:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30828 @ 0.00056135 = 17.3053 BTC [+] |
05:12 |
thestringpuller |
!v assbot:thestringpuller.rate.Pierre_Rochard.-1:2cb629256734cb1067a0a8ccdb658802966d720c6bde348f040848156d25442c |
05:12 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for Pierre_Rochard from 2 to -1 with note: "Yesterday's ally becomes today's opposition." - Wants to be vocal, and hide in the shadows. |
05:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00055364 = 16.0832 BTC [-] |
05:22 |
davout |
jurov: X.EUR MM bot is back. |
05:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150550 @ 0.00055308 = 83.2662 BTC [-] {2} |
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05:55 |
adlai |
punkman: good link. now when is ackman shorting b[,tmsr~]? |
05:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132950 @ 0.00055091 = 73.2435 BTC [-] {4} |
06:03 |
* |
adlai has stopped telling people that bitcoin is not 'network marketed', i mean it is digital money, runs on networks, flows in tubes (both parallel, and series of) |
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06:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82468 @ 0.00055653 = 45.8959 BTC [+] {2} |
06:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139100 @ 0.00056454 = 78.5275 BTC [+] {2} |
06:24 |
adlai |
!v assbot:adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.10:c26b82ee97b4c01a90dc0229cacda535bc552cd9572b13d759a9554d0fe4f39d |
06:24 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 7 to 10 with note: I have received more coin from Mircea than I have sent him (indirectly, respectively, directly - respectfully) |
06:29 |
adlai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious |
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06:29 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-02-2016 17:35:04; asciilifeform: but i think i spent more of my life adlaiing than not |
06:34 |
adlai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403712 << "So I believe that even my master, when he spoke of the simple, was using a rather simple concept." http://www.obooksbooks.com/2015/4115_142.html |
06:34 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-02-2016 17:44:17; trinque: to be a simpleton... one will die either way. |
06:34 |
assbot |
The Name of the Rose(142) by Umberto Eco, William - Free Best Novels ... ( http://bit.ly/20VztFX ) |
06:41 |
jurov |
davout ty! |
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07:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00056279 = 27.239 BTC [-] |
07:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77350 @ 0.00056188 = 43.4614 BTC [-] |
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07:50 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> (is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?) << Welcome to the weird that is Bitcoin broadcasting |
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08:15 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405999 >> https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/her09-15_b_lo-res2.jpg?quality=80 << l0l, 2x eizo 'colouredge' !111 |
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08:15 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 09:23:41; punkman: http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/ |
08:15 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/20VI6As ) |
08:16 |
asciilifeform |
(can anybody identify the kbd ?) |
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08:16 |
asciilifeform |
platinum toilets ftw! |
08:17 |
mircea_popescu |
it's so bizarre that the usg doesn't embrace herbalife. yes all the arguments against it are solid, but they cut just as much against say, apple. google. |
08:17 |
mircea_popescu |
they're all herbalifes. |
08:17 |
asciilifeform |
(they are not true iridium toilets because i can identify them visually) |
08:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: where's the consumer direct-sale chumpatron in, e.g., apple ? |
08:17 |
asciilifeform |
last i checked, they didn't offer 'get ipnohe for selling five' |
08:17 |
mircea_popescu |
doh ? |
08:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"get to be an iphone's worth of cool by telling all your friends" ? |
08:18 |
asciilifeform |
then mercedes is also pyramid ? |
08:18 |
mircea_popescu |
if apple isn't direct-marketed then what is ? and what's an apple fan ? |
08:18 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one |
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08:18 |
mircea_popescu |
not by pete telling them to buy one. |
08:21 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, who knows, maybe ackerman's mping all over "classic" finance, started with the easier to lance boil. |
08:21 |
asciilifeform |
by this notion all consumer crud is 'direct market' |
08:21 |
asciilifeform |
but the traditional definition remains, does chump take money from chump. |
08:22 |
mircea_popescu |
i think that definition was never stated as such. |
08:22 |
mircea_popescu |
does chump BENEFIT from chump. yes, he does. |
08:22 |
asciilifeform |
if chump sends the new chump on his merry way to the crapple store, we have a scam, sure, but how is it 'mlm' ? |
08:22 |
mircea_popescu |
and by this definition all consumer crud IS IN FACT consumer crud. which yes. it is. |
08:22 |
mircea_popescu |
i would sya it is. |
08:22 |
asciilifeform |
where are the hierarchical levels then ? |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
they worship steve, don't they ? why ? |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
becauyse of the frustrated mlm need. |
08:23 |
asciilifeform |
(i.e. what would be an advanced crapple pusher, vs rank-and-file) |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
just because they're not lame as fguck about it, going telloing kids what the levels "should be" doesn't mean they don't exist. |
08:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00056101 = 36.634 BTC [-] |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
you realise crapple only hires salespeople from the fanbase yes ? |
08:23 |
asciilifeform |
can mircea_popescu give example of the levels ? |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
steve ; everyone else is already levels. |
08:24 |
asciilifeform |
the crapple salesmen are wage labourers |
08:24 |
asciilifeform |
afaik they get no commission. |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
not fully. |
08:25 |
mircea_popescu |
they get less than they'd ask for to deliver the same work, if they weren't in the apple ml. |
08:25 |
mircea_popescu |
mlm* |
08:26 |
asciilifeform |
any public evidence that they are paid below market rate for other clerks ? |
08:26 |
asciilifeform |
by how much ? |
08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
they're not making comission, right ? fifth avenue equiv poshness job working chicks ARE. |
08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
and they also have to be this tall and this booby and this slutty |
08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
and just like the apple shitheads, they have to spend this % of their income on storep roducts |
08:27 |
asciilifeform |
folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? |
08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
where 200 < this < 1500 or so |
08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
yep. |
08:28 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck more hotties, wouldja! |
08:28 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
08:28 |
asciilifeform |
wake me up when they start making ones with faces. |
08:28 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
08:28 |
mircea_popescu |
typical airhead 5foot11 blondi that doesn't college and doesn't straight callgirl moves to pretentious store to sell perfume and designer clothes on comission. |
08:29 |
mircea_popescu |
and buys "worth" about 5x what she earns |
08:29 |
mircea_popescu |
and is taken on "training" to various hotels where she is expected to fuck the "senior management" and she gladly complies. because hey. |
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08:47 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? << I fucking made commision selling watch batteries in the mall. |
08:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Same for people a few stalls down selling phones, calendars, etc |
08:48 |
mircea_popescu |
the attempt to waitress-ify all consumer facing jobs is long in the tooth. |
08:51 |
BingoBoingo |
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/100319340.html << Marshall Long style Eatbeast scammzor |
08:51 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: To be fair this was 07-08 and base pay was above minimum wage. No idea if it still would be |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
no idea if minimum wage would still be meaningful, either. |
08:53 |
BingoBoingo |
But this was also back when floor space for the kiosk was $5000/month no idea where that has gone, but likely down. |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly. |
08:56 |
BingoBoingo |
In other news https://archive.is/4FvjC |
08:56 |
assbot |
100 Best-Selling, Most Prescribed Branded Drugs Through March ... ( http://bit.ly/2453GS7 ) |
08:57 |
BingoBoingo |
A lot of insulins on that list |
09:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135750 @ 0.00056314 = 76.4463 BTC [+] {3} |
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09:18 |
shinohai |
!up minetester |
09:18 |
minetester |
<.< |
09:18 |
minetester |
>.> |
09:18 |
shinohai |
Buenas uey |
09:18 |
minetester |
que hay!? |
09:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101030 @ 0.0005629 = 56.8698 BTC [-] |
09:22 |
BingoBoingo |
!up wpalczynski |
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09:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5704 @ 0.00055879 = 3.1873 BTC [-] |
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09:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00055864 = 12.4018 BTC [-] |
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10:16 |
deedbot- |
[Qntra] Optical Disc Software Approaching International Crisis - http://qntra.net/2016/02/optical-disc-software-approaching-international-crisis/ |
10:24 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b91CN5XC_V8 |
10:24 |
assbot |
New Zealand Politician Steven Joyce - #Dildogate - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tlms3J ) |
10:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87950 @ 0.00055864 = 49.1324 BTC [-] |
10:38 |
shinohai |
!unrate liquidassets |
10:38 |
assbot |
Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2a7039cbef0b2cbc |
10:38 |
BingoBoingo |
In other news there's rumbling ECB is set to kill the 500 euro note, but no source worth linking yet |
10:39 |
shinohai |
!v assbot:shinohai.unrate.liquidassets:d22d27f15bd1997ea3bff0b032d8e8019ab00763506732bab17f7f5034a1de94 |
10:39 |
assbot |
Successfully unrated liquidassets |
10:43 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Conflict |
10:44 |
BingoBoingo |
!up linton_s_dawson |
10:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Insanity https://i.imgur.com/NXUvpBt.jpg |
10:46 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/214Gzol ) |
10:47 |
shinohai |
tumbrinas don't get to decide what is anything. |
10:47 |
shinohai |
*tumblrinas |
10:49 |
trinque |
hell of a mentality, where the things you do are the things you "get to" do |
10:50 |
BingoBoingo |
https://i.imgur.com/uaBA1yS.png |
10:50 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/214H1D4 ) |
10:51 |
shinohai |
I do get to decide not to eat 4 buckets of Wal-MArt chicken in one sitting so as not to be labeled obese. |
10:52 |
BingoBoingo |
Notice though how all of those ideological avatars are rotund. Every single one of them is obese. |
10:52 |
BingoBoingo |
But apparently it doesn't count as obesity anymore until a person is so fat they spread out like a pancake |
10:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00055864 = 5.1395 BTC [-] |
11:04 |
trinque |
shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to" |
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11:05 |
trinque |
at least religions of the past had something of an enumerated list of prohibitions |
11:06 |
shinohai |
Sadly even that has devolved based on what religious leader you happen to follow. At least in usa |
11:14 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Duffer1 |
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11:37 |
shinohai |
;;ticker |
11:37 |
gribble |
Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.9, Best ask: 400.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 399.96, 24 hour volume: 28420.58864334, 24 hour low: 396.12, 24 hour high: 412.5, 24 hour vwap: None |
11:37 |
shinohai |
$400 again >.> |
11:39 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
11:39 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 9025.06442353 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 401.87, vol: 7623.0688 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 399.6, vol: 28498.84921068 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 390.0, vol: 7.28927057 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 418.446405, vol: 46236.18970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 397.77401, vol: 755.81372971 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 399.47655, vol: 73.30162171 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) |
11:39 |
BingoBoingo |
;;more |
11:39 |
gribble |
409.260001115 |
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12:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114016 @ 0.00056007 = 63.8569 BTC [+] {2} |
12:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113884 @ 0.00056396 = 64.226 BTC [+] {3} |
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12:35 |
shinohai |
wb pete_dushenski |
12:35 |
pete_dushenski |
heya shinohai |
12:35 |
pete_dushenski |
how comes the website ? |
12:41 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406019 << lol. good one |
12:41 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 11:29:54; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious |
12:42 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406031 << looks like 'bloomberg terminal' model, neh ? |
12:42 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 13:16:28; asciilifeform: (can anybody identify the kbd ?) |
12:44 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bloomberg_terminal.jpg << looks like it. |
12:44 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1TjfD1B ) |
12:44 |
pete_dushenski |
that's the one |
12:44 |
asciilifeform |
l0l winblowz key |
12:45 |
pete_dushenski |
you don't understand how finance worx |
12:45 |
asciilifeform |
clearly not |
12:45 |
asciilifeform |
and here i was, imagining that it runs on custom pdp11 tandematron |
12:46 |
pete_dushenski |
though i eaaagerly await the results of the alphago bet now that 'most of alf's net worth' is on the line. that's sitg, folks. |
12:46 |
asciilifeform |
did i say most |
12:46 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
12:46 |
pete_dushenski |
'significant' ? |
12:47 |
pete_dushenski |
but if 'organs won't buy bulldozer', most isn't a stretch |
12:47 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: perhaps i ought to explain that i don't really treat bitcoin as money |
12:47 |
asciilifeform |
(it can't pay my rent, or tax, or ..., etc) |
12:48 |
pete_dushenski |
neither can shares of tsla, goog, aapl, gs, etc. |
12:48 |
asciilifeform |
i use it as a sort of scientific toy. picture, if you will, if you came to own a few grams of Pu |
12:49 |
asciilifeform |
nowhere near enough for fission, but you can still do various interesting things like thermal generator, etc. |
12:49 |
asciilifeform |
closest analogy i can think of. |
12:49 |
pete_dushenski |
i can see it |
12:51 |
mats |
asciilifeform: didja bet yes or no? |
12:51 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, when mircea_popescu wakes up he will remind me that it is the only real money. and he will be right, just like, to hruschev, Pu was the only real money |
12:51 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406042 << as with all new german cars, yes. this comment on baruth's blog recently sharply sums up this arriviste betaboi phenomenon : "If you’re distraught about the Macan demo now, wait until the 4cyl comes out with a $499 lease special and a whole new segment of buyers. I can tell you from experience (I sell Audis as well) that the ‘aspirational’ luxury bu |
12:51 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 13:18:49; mircea_popescu: notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one |
12:51 |
pete_dushenski |
yer is different breed…just wait for the Insta posts of a millennial couple with #porsche #madeit #lifegoals #adulting" |
12:51 |
asciilifeform |
mats: this is not appearent from the logz? |
12:52 |
pete_dushenski |
mats look for the 5btc bet |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: explain for us mortals ? |
12:52 |
pete_dushenski |
which part ? |
12:52 |
mats |
i'm not caught up on logs |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
any of it |
12:53 |
mats |
i see it now. |
12:57 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: do you remember the thread re: 'organic food' ? |
12:58 |
asciilifeform |
specifically how there is no place in usa where one can 'i will pay double for non-monsanto but i don't give a fuck about 'gmo' and i sure as fuck don't want to see homeopathic crud in the shop' |
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12:59 |
asciilifeform |
i see same phenomenon in the auto market |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., i can go and buy 'mercedes' but what if i want to ~only~ pay for quality and ~not at all~ for stotting ? |
13:00 |
asciilifeform |
or, perhaps overworked subject in my writings, the computer market: there is $wintelcrud laptop, there is crapple, but there is no (longer) tadpole computer corp. |
13:00 |
asciilifeform |
!s tadpole |
13:00 |
assbot |
14 results for 'tadpole' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tadpole |
13:01 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: aha k, so let's see here. 25 years ago a young couple leaves china, lebanon, russia, or the like and moves to us/canada. they proceed to find gainful employment buying or selling something or other and set about raising two children. the immigrant couple, after working diligently to put their children through university, ensuring that their kids never know physical hardship nor so much as an overd |
13:01 |
pete_dushenski |
ue credit card balance, proudly watch as both kids graduate as professionals, maybe optometrists or accountants. as these kids have never had to save for anything, nor even been encumbered by uncertainty, they proceed to 'show off' their entirely disposable incomes with the purchase of nice watches and leased bmws, audis, mercedes, or porsche crossovers and to 'post' 'their' 'success' on social medias and pick u |
13:01 |
pete_dushenski |
p their friends for brunch on sunday morning while talking at length about what option boxes (of the 4 available) they ticked or didn't, and why or why not. this 'aspie' set has no goals beyond the moment's likes and hearts, not unlike the set that tlp mischaracterised as patek philippe owners. |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ? |
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13:03 |
pete_dushenski |
as to the organic food angle, the car market is actually quite a different beast, mostly because there is no 'quality' to be had for love or money. a new mercedes will break just as readily as a new kia, just more expensively. |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
and i find this interesting |
13:04 |
pete_dushenski |
why do you think i, who can afford whatever i please, bought 'cheap' 'rusty' 26yo car ? |
13:04 |
asciilifeform |
it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them. |
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13:04 |
pete_dushenski |
entirely this. |
13:05 |
asciilifeform |
for me, auto is just another expense. and a tool for doing a tedious and unpleasant chore. like broom. |
13:05 |
pete_dushenski |
and in case anyone is curious about how 'cheap' and old merc is... it's not. i paid more in maintenance and repairs in the first year of ownership than i laid out in initial capital. |
13:05 |
mats |
hm, alphago prop hit 'geekwire': http://www.geekwire.com/2016/alphago-lee-sedol-whos-underdog-in-google-ai-million-go-match |
13:05 |
assbot |
Odds favor machine over human in big Go showdown ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtnSbU ) |
13:05 |
pete_dushenski |
*an old merc |
13:06 |
mats |
alphago bitbet prop, that is. |
13:07 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: maybe more like fridge in that others actually notice the brand, finishes, etc |
13:07 |
pete_dushenski |
unless 'lord of the brooms' cares to defend a position to the contrary |
13:08 |
asciilifeform |
nobody (but pet) sees my fridge. |
13:08 |
pete_dushenski |
because you don't socialise with meat, whereas 99.4% of population does. |
13:08 |
asciilifeform |
and, while plenty of people see the car, it looks like every other car. and i like this. |
13:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77250 @ 0.00056506 = 43.6509 BTC [+] {2} |
13:09 |
asciilifeform |
i go every day to the meat farm. and nobody there even knows which car i go in. |
13:09 |
asciilifeform |
and i like this. |
13:09 |
pete_dushenski |
that's the other tragic angle of the lack of quality, as it happens, everything fucking ~looks~ the same. |
13:09 |
asciilifeform |
aha! |
13:10 |
pete_dushenski |
goddam autocad car designers just wanna be like poorfag architects |
13:10 |
adlai |
mats: more "money left on the table"! |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati' |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
mega-disappointment |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
i always imagined it as a big 1950s race car thing |
13:10 |
mats |
adlai: meaning? |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
but it looks no substantially different from 'honda' |
13:10 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: heh |
13:10 |
adlai |
mats: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-november-2015-statement/#footnote_3_64105 |
13:10 |
assbot |
BitBet (S.BBET) November 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tjj2xm ) |
13:11 |
mats |
adlai: yeah, he didn't use an affiliate link |
13:12 |
mats |
i stumped 2.5btc, should be a good show |
13:12 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: rolls royce looks like chrysler, mercedes looks like kia, and on and on and on. this is why my 'toy' would be 'morgan 3-wheeler' but afaik they're not importable to canada atm. |
13:13 |
asciilifeform |
and inside, same junk parts |
13:14 |
asciilifeform |
and 'softwarized' ignition that can fail because overwrites own firmware (yes i saw this) |
13:14 |
asciilifeform |
but hey at least you can play idiot meat gamez |
13:14 |
asciilifeform |
impress the chixx with how much you can put on credit card. |
13:15 |
asciilifeform |
(did this ever actually work...?) |
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13:16 |
deedbot- |
[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.50000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b21 |
13:17 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i can't help but wonder, if author of 'alphago' is confident that the machine can win, why not pick up some easy coin betting ? |
13:21 |
mats |
asciilifeform: operator drinks from google hose, doesn't need to redeem cola cans for nickels |
13:22 |
asciilifeform |
mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale. |
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13:23 |
asciilifeform |
yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets. |
13:23 |
asciilifeform |
but afaik it is not. |
13:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00055864 = 15.4743 BTC [-] {2} |
13:27 |
mats |
plenty of time left, and 'geekwire' has given bitbet some exposure |
13:28 |
mats |
fan hui shit himself during the match and i think folks are overrating the ai strength |
13:28 |
mats |
what is this 50-50 odds bs |
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13:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00056538 = 35.7886 BTC [+] {2} |
13:29 |
adlai |
mats: friend who introduced me to go claims "tournament champions should already have experience not in shitting themselves under pressure" |
13:30 |
mats |
ph33r the machine |
13:30 |
asciilifeform |
mats: bbbbut 'exponentially improving!11111' |
13:31 |
* |
adlai reckons bet weights that taper sharply (like this one) to be better at sounding out 'insiders'? |
13:31 |
mats |
i'd bet 2.5btc all of two people can explain what 'alphago' actually did when evaluating decisions during the fan hui match |
13:32 |
adlai |
explain on what level? "the ANN weighings blabla" is not the same as "play away from thickness" |
13:33 |
* |
adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms |
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13:35 |
asciilifeform |
thing about nn is that this is fundamentally not a thing: |
13:35 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-01-2016#1386298 |
13:35 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc) |
13:36 |
asciilifeform |
nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't. |
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13:36 |
jurov |
soo i'm looking on letsencrypt, which can auth the domain by adding stuff to webroot. so, no need for it to be ran under root you'd say |
13:36 |
asciilifeform |
and just as easily 'forgets' as 'learns' |
13:37 |
jurov |
but not. i had to add /etc/letsencrypt, /var/log/letsencrypt writable to it |
13:37 |
jurov |
and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?! |
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13:38 |
asciilifeform |
l0lwut?! |
13:38 |
jurov |
startssl it is again, i guess |
13:39 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: what do you use ssl for ? |
13:39 |
jurov |
i have several webservers, internal and external |
13:40 |
jurov |
not up to pushing my own CA to everyone that uses them |
13:40 |
asciilifeform |
yes i know that jurov has wwwtrons, but what is the ssl for. |
13:41 |
asciilifeform |
coinbr does not use popescutronic authenticator ? |
13:41 |
jurov |
mnope |
13:41 |
jurov |
but i don't use free certs for that. |
13:41 |
jurov |
also have other $projects which I host e.g. wiki for |
13:45 |
jurov |
these wait for gopher over whispernet or what is the #b-a replacement vaporware called |
13:47 |
adlai |
interestingly enough, 'abusing' image recognition ANNs to generate images generates surprisingly similar imagery to that which is found from an analogous process on NNNs |
13:55 |
asciilifeform |
is this one of those abominable things that won't move a millimetre unless i push it ??! |
13:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00055864 = 27.8482 BTC [-] |
13:57 |
* |
adlai is talking about https://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-googles-neural-networks-look-like-theyre-on-acid |
13:57 |
assbot |
Why Google's Neural Networks Look Like They're on Acid | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PA6nn0 ) |
14:00 |
adlai |
human go skill allegedly improves with saki consumption, i wonder whether they emulate this in the program or settle for programmer-mediated emulation |
14:00 |
asciilifeform |
emulation. programmer kicks the machine. |
14:01 |
adlai |
if alphago were really intelligent(tm), it would be betting on/against itself |
14:01 |
adlai |
and fleece money by fooling its creators |
14:01 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: iirc the sake thing originated with a certain drunken former champ |
14:01 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati' << In one of the college towns I lived in there was one I'd frequently see as it bounced from parking lot to parking lot, looking more like weathered trash than other cars of similar age. |
14:04 |
kakobrekla |
thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional. |
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14:04 |
asciilifeform |
prolly. |
14:05 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets. << I'm not entirely sold on Deep Blue II electric boogaloo having been definitive for chess. Kasparov was not Undisputed in his championship at the time. His title was not recognized by FIDE. |
14:05 |
polarbeard |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405980 << first they made it into my list because they're never called explicitly, then revised the function and history of each, some we're left from earlier versions, others after removing the gui, etc |
14:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 04:51:38; ben_vulpes: before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused? |
14:05 |
polarbeard |
*were |
14:05 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: the kasparov match, contrary to popular notion, is not what 'killed' chess |
14:06 |
BingoBoingo |
No, fritz and drug testing were. |
14:06 |
asciilifeform |
rather, it was that idiots at a certain point became able to hook up chessatron to game servers and ruin the game. |
14:06 |
asciilifeform |
(for what purpose, is known only to expert psychiatrists, i imagine) |
14:07 |
BingoBoingo |
AH, that |
14:07 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406236 << on a "for phun not money" thing |
14:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 18:28:31; mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs |
14:07 |
kakobrekla |
anyway speaking of bitbet, there has been a large amount of rouge behavior on it for the past ~2 weeks |
14:07 |
asciilifeform |
how's that |
14:07 |
asciilifeform |
(what counts as 'rogue' on bitbet?!) |
14:08 |
danielpbarron |
i pointed out the missing ref= on the alphaGo bet in that geekwire article; let's see if they update it :D |
14:08 |
* |
adlai has been trying to hook up a captcha solver so he can stop handspamming it |
14:08 |
kakobrekla |
bots and humans trying to get in the systemz/break in the server/deplete deposit address supply etc etc |
14:08 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: this only started recently ?! |
14:08 |
asciilifeform |
i'd have thought it would have been pestilential from day 1 |
14:09 |
kakobrekla |
no, it is happening all the time but it went way up from the usual noise |
14:09 |
asciilifeform |
welcome to being mp-cool |
14:09 |
asciilifeform |
(next step: mp-complete !!111) |
14:10 |
kakobrekla |
heh |
14:12 |
adlai |
!b 3 |
14:12 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3YAF2J2.txt ) |
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14:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123450 @ 0.00056659 = 69.9455 BTC [+] {5} |
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14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face. |
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14:58 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 03:56:29; asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield. |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
and THAT can be nickel, or anodized zinc or w/e the fuck you feel like. |
14:59 |
asciilifeform |
and altschuller tells us how to 'cheat in wolf form' and make this without any lasering. |
14:59 |
asciilifeform |
(he wrote this before laser was available to su industry at all) |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
15:00 |
asciilifeform |
(answer: cast metal into mold containing fibers, which disintegrate but not immediately. instant holes.) |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
due to the low power consumption of modern displays, this really can just be the mount. |
15:00 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
15:01 |
asciilifeform |
also one can make a 'poorfag' version using pcb vias |
15:02 |
asciilifeform |
(solid copper - heavy-gauge pcb; many vias; mount surface mount led opposite side; attach pcb-mounted shield to led side) |
15:05 |
asciilifeform |
for extra points, have two or more layers of this, ~where the holes don't line up~. how does the light pass? sheet of glass between! partial internal reflection. |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i almost wouldn't even need my "run gamma at 40%" thing |
15:06 |
asciilifeform |
essentially one is making 'notch filter at terahertz' metamaterial. |
15:06 |
asciilifeform |
as in, pass light but not 'radio' |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover, given the technology of making cds |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
one should probably just make a cd based filter |
15:08 |
asciilifeform |
as in pressed hologram ? |
15:08 |
asciilifeform |
would work, but a bit thin |
15:11 |
asciilifeform |
would be interesting to compare to the indium thing, e.g., http://hollandshielding.com/231-EMI%20shielded%20glass |
15:11 |
assbot |
EMI/RFI Shielded Glass 9600 serie | Excellent EMI/RFI shielding performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vhxyod ) |
15:12 |
asciilifeform |
or hm, is this still the mesh foil. |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the other consideration is that JUST LIKE WITH a cipher... there could be hidden key in there., |
15:13 |
asciilifeform |
waiwut |
15:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00056232 = 55.2761 BTC [-] |
15:14 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.pgo-online.com/intl/katalog/ito.html << claims to sell the real thing, indium glass |
15:14 |
assbot |
ITO coated glass | ITO-coating on glass substrates | CTO ... ( http://bit.ly/1VhxQvl ) |
15:14 |
asciilifeform |
... key ? |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you know, "this shield is passible to X frequency" |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
check it out jurov ! indium glass! |
15:14 |
* |
mircea_popescu does a little dance of being a rightful asshole. |
15:14 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: realize that this would be a greater marvel than washington building a magical ray to give us both ballsack cancer |
15:15 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: you are staring at indium glass right now |
15:15 |
asciilifeform |
it is how your lcd conducts... |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
nevermind! |
15:15 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
ikr ? |
15:16 |
asciilifeform |
quite. |
15:19 |
* |
asciilifeform pictures some usg pit developing a grease, of snot-like consistency, to fluoresce in rf, to slather on victim's lcd while he sleeps |
15:19 |
asciilifeform |
... or paint wall of hotel with |
15:19 |
asciilifeform |
or the like. |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
laugh, but with 'oled' display, 'optical tempest' can come back |
15:20 |
deedbot- |
[Qntra] 4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances - http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/ |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., if thing has any pattern in the redraw, not necessarily crt-like raster |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
"Scalia was found with a pillow over his head wearing unwrinkled pajamas (archived). " o.O |
15:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Came out today, turned the thing into news |
15:22 |
asciilifeform |
vintage mega-lulz re: herr scalia, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296440 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328006 |
15:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 11-10-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play |
15:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-11-2015 01:55:31; asciilifeform: 'you got due process, now stfu and sizzle in the electric chair' -- scalia |
15:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Guess this is the Classi, with a dick on the C fucking the a in the assi, version of zipping self into duffelbag in the tub |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
guy was pretty old... |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
what was he, 70something ? |
15:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Only 75 |
15:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Young for a Justice of the Surpreme COurt |
15:24 |
BingoBoingo |
30 years on the bench and he was still one of the younger ones |
15:26 |
BingoBoingo |
But it's normal for people dying of natural causes in their sleep to struggle a bit. |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
curious who obama appoints now. |
15:27 |
BingoBoingo |
No one's talking Preet yet |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess the obama section of democrats are resigned to losing to the other one, or else they wouldn't be running around with this sort of crap. |
15:29 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah |
15:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Turns out the only democratic party segments Clitler appeals to are old women and people who directly trade favors with the Clinton establishment |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
old women are one of the most horrible bases to build government onto. |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
seems unavoidable for the us. |
15:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah |
15:33 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: can hardly wait, preet as chief-justice, already salivating |
15:34 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps a 50% opendefecation rate is achievable before next election! |
15:34 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: He seems like a clear Senate veto for his history of persecuting elected officials. More likely he'll be the Bernie Sanders Attorney General |
15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
bharara has no political future anymore than that guy deleted out of stalin's picture did. |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
the political future belongs to the current 15 yo who grew up during bharara's days |
15:36 |
BingoBoingo |
But asciilifeform They are floating around the names of other loyal Indians |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
and is consequently even more of a heel than his father could ever have been |
15:38 |
jurov |
omg shielding lcd with metamaterial... |
15:39 |
jurov |
what about proper lowpass filters for lcd signals... |
15:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00056721 = 45.0648 BTC [+] |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
at any rate, preet is not a playing character, but a reflection of lizard will. a freisler. |
15:49 |
jurov |
aw, tvtropeswent full bootstrap.. my eyes hurt |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: i always found it interesting that you can't get display cable ~optic~ |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
(afaik) |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
even though it would be, in all likelihood, ~cheaper~ to make |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
(no need for shield, for example) |
15:50 |
jurov |
why cheaper? |
15:50 |
jurov |
judging from optical usb extenders, it's not |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
no copper |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: because, again, the ~extender~ is an active circuit |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
and made in quite low volume |
15:51 |
asciilifeform |
i am speaking of: why the everliving fuck is the gpu connected to the lcd with anything other than a single strand of fiber. |
15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
because fiber needs terminators and doesn't take well to damage. |
15:52 |
BingoBoingo |
https://i.imgur.com/IuixMHN.jpg |
15:52 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1oko29R ) |
15:52 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: terminators !? |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
nein |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
you must be confusing it with copper coax |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
and have you tried bending copper dvi cable ? |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
'takes well to damage' is not a thing |
15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
hm |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
and no consumer ever repairs a cable, wtf |
15:54 |
jurov |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK pediwikia says consumer optic cables have high attenuation and still fragile |
15:54 |
assbot |
TOSLINK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ocy01x ) |
15:55 |
asciilifeform |
so high that three metres is too long ?! |
15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
optic cables are more fragile than anything found in derp house. |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
soo? he bends, buys another. |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
learns not to bend. |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
just as chumpers learned not to drop ipnohe. |
15:57 |
BingoBoingo |
In my experience it is same people who drop pnohe that repeat that mistake indefinitely |
15:57 |
jurov |
also, to have gigabit 4K bandwidth, you need singlemode fiber. and that has much more expensive connectors |
15:57 |
jurov |
defon not consumer stuff |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think you understand this whole "Consumer" thing all too well. |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
learns ? what the fuck is wrong with you. |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'learns' in the circus sense. the lions that did not learn, went for bear food |
15:58 |
mircea_popescu |
heh |
15:59 |
asciilifeform |
(in what other sense do konsoomerz learn.) |
15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
in no sense. |
16:00 |
jurov |
i happen to prefer cables that are't sensitive to get pinched inadvertently |
16:00 |
asciilifeform |
so don't pinch! |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i suspect that's the operational difference. yes you can't really bend sharply a dtvi cable. |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
nevertheless, you CAN put a heavy item on it. |
16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
not so with optics. |
16:00 |
asciilifeform |
i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform buy fiber, not like it's sold by permit. |
16:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: aha but plug into what. |
16:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 292150 @ 0.00056823 = 166.0084 BTC [+] {6} |
16:01 |
asciilifeform |
where is the fiber gpu ? |
16:01 |
asciilifeform |
fiber lcd ? |
16:01 |
jurov |
solder a photodoiode |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
terminators are like a coupla k's each |
16:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: and radiate like hell |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
16:01 |
asciilifeform |
because connected to pc with guess what! normal cable. |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
doh ? |
16:01 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
16:01 |
asciilifeform |
so wtf's the use |
16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
dude, you are the one that said, and i quote, <asciilifeform> i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox |
16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
then tujrns out that's not what you wantg. |
16:02 |
asciilifeform |
(also they all have ludicrous res limit) |
16:02 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it isn't 'doesn't radiate' if you need a terminator plugged with normal copper, that does |
16:02 |
jurov |
and do you have tempest computer case already? |
16:02 |
asciilifeform |
and again, the converter box imposes idiot limits on res/refresh |
16:03 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: this is not hard |
16:03 |
asciilifeform |
it is peripherals which are tricky |
16:03 |
asciilifeform |
hence the thread. |
16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
ima bow out of this convo. |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
a replacement controller pcb for ibm keyboard that does 'toslink' instead of ps/2, i would buy. |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
would jurov ? |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu ? |
16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly. |
16:05 |
jurov |
maaybe if the keyboard was shielded, too |
16:05 |
jurov |
best if both em and acoustically |
16:05 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: it is possible to make a trivial mod that obviates the need for shielding the scan matrix |
16:05 |
asciilifeform |
the answer: |
16:05 |
asciilifeform |
include rng. |
16:06 |
asciilifeform |
thinkaboutit |
16:06 |
asciilifeform |
presently there is a predictable row/column scan pattern |
16:06 |
asciilifeform |
which is why you can 'hear' a pc keyboard from 30+ metres. |
16:06 |
asciilifeform |
anyway iirc we had this thread some time before. |
16:07 |
jurov |
yes. but how would toslink help there |
16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406125 << this is actually quite an important point. |
16:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 16:04:22; trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to" |
16:07 |
mircea_popescu |
da fuck is this "get to" nonsense. |
16:07 |
jurov |
does the 1,5m usb cable radiate so much? |
16:08 |
asciilifeform |
btw, further thread necromancy, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2016#1399548 << this is misguided, no one goes around with stereotypical 'black van' any longer, the gear is pocket-sized (knapsack at the most) |
16:08 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-02-2016 00:13:06; mircea_popescu: sure. i've been hoping to do some snuff videos of "operatives" caught with gear for years now. |
16:08 |
asciilifeform |
even nazis had 'gurtelpeiler' |
16:08 |
asciilifeform |
jurov yes |
16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
better make sure it fits in ass |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
cuz that's exactly where it's going. repeatedly. |
16:09 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: reminds me of 'file off that front sight' |
16:09 |
asciilifeform |
(traditional ru greeting to fella with bad aim) |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the point remains : acquiring and defending sovereignity, cheaper than trying to perfect anonimity. |
16:09 |
asciilifeform |
anyway if the 'ant catalogue' (per snowden2) is to be believed, it ~does~ fit in arse... |
16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
from this fundamental inequality all things follow, such as god fucking help you if you try to play the field agent with me. |
16:10 |
shinohai |
!rate asciilifeform 2 trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic. |
16:10 |
assbot |
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16:11 |
shinohai |
!v assbot:shinohai.rate.asciilifeform.2:460c36c39f1a369f03a39eb3400dee91a59f2f81f160b5dd491686d9e6196798 |
16:11 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 2 for asciilifeform with note: trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic. |
16:11 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
16:11 |
jurov |
replacing of usb cables with proper shielding might get the stuff done and easier to do than optic |
16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov at the rate he's going, the only sane aproach is to redo the wallpaper, in mesh. |
16:12 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: you will find that good shielding is tricky, you get leakage over the supply rail |
16:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Nah, solid steel walls catch more spectrum |
16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
which incidentally is exactly how this problem is approached profesionally, insulate a room. |
16:13 |
asciilifeform |
and over the ground (which, as mircea_popescu likes to remind us, has an impedance) |
16:13 |
BingoBoingo |
room inside a room |
16:13 |
jurov |
so supply it with battery |
16:14 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: before very long, fiber looks cheap |
16:14 |
jurov |
"looks" |
16:14 |
asciilifeform |
certainly compared to 'faraday room' |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
why is faraday room expensive ? aluminum siding, legitimate industree. |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
no mlm at all! |
16:15 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i, like everybody else, know how to solve the problem expensively. |
16:15 |
asciilifeform |
i was discussing how it could be solved inexpensively. |
16:15 |
shinohai |
!rate mircea_popescu 2 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings. |
16:15 |
assbot |
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16:15 |
jurov |
and optocouplers leak nothing? |
16:15 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: shielding a cm^2 thing is cheap? |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no, you know how to solve the problem but don't want to because not enough engineering involved. |
16:15 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: being able to build anything whatsoever room-scale is a 'not for poorfag' thing |
16:15 |
shinohai |
!v assbot:shinohai.rate.mircea_popescu.2:158d41f25082a2cd2a832c0c2945b4807b2b877076ea81a5f27390f4899e1c57 |
16:15 |
assbot |
Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings. |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
much like say a social worker would be "oh, this solution doesn't provide work for enough social workers" |
16:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: no, it is 'this solution requires money' |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. |
16:17 |
asciilifeform |
say i want machine that does not radiate, ~under the open sky~ |
16:17 |
asciilifeform |
because unlike mircea_popescu , i do not have a mobile aluminum dirigible cabin. |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
would you stop trying to support this insane lifestyle of "i need laptop" ? |
16:18 |
asciilifeform |
note, it is an entirely legit thing, to design for dirigible, for reactor. but i do not have these things. so i don't design for them. |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it is not a way to live. |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it already forces you to eat from the latrine. |
16:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if you even knew what other things i do that are 'no way to live' |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
you'll never have a good laptop. it is not possible. |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
was possible in 1995 |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
ergo still is. |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
you'll also not have easy, meaningless sex with random women that you enjoy. and you won't be able to eat from garbage cans and always find exactly what you wanted to find in there. |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
the solution to these faux problems is always the same, "don't want very much". which will make random offering perfectly fine. |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
but then you don't want to be a mouse. |
16:22 |
jurov |
!up dooglus |
16:22 |
jurov |
btw, your brain leaks, too |
16:22 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: go and pick it up. |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
(pretty sure 'squid' still requires shaving heads, a mm or so max) |
16:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: fact is, i'm not a mircea_popescu , and i design and build out of materials that i can have , rather than what i would have if i were a mircea_popescu . |
16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not properly called "designing". |
16:26 |
mircea_popescu |
"we don't have iron, so we make swords of the reeds we have" is not sense. |
16:26 |
jurov |
if you can't design yourself, don't tell us it would be cheap |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov "they don't succeed at making money, but that's secondary - they succeed at feeling like a trader". |
16:30 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/#comment-46429 |
16:30 |
assbot |
4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1oktGZB ) |
16:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187150 @ 0.00056093 = 104.978 BTC [-] {7} |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406186 << notrealy. the other ingredient is never beating the kids. |
16:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 18:03:19; asciilifeform: that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ? |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
which is a peculiar weird of the us/canada. |
16:38 |
shinohai |
BingoBoingo: Shouldn't line read "cessation of continued heart beats" ? |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406191 << that's not it. some people have WHOM TO PROVE THEOREMS TO! |
16:39 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 18:04:21; asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them. |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
most people just scream into a void. |
16:40 |
adlai |
this is why markets are excellent... they're the dissertation committee that never goes home |
16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
or ever makes any sense. |
16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ask newton if he more enjoyed his time with the euro jet set that recognized the lion by his claw ; or with the domestic merchant class that drove the south sea bubble. |
16:42 |
adlai |
eh, markets make sense quite often, trouble is milking out the sense before the market understands itself |
16:43 |
adlai |
(change-class goban 'ouija) |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
"making sense quite often" is like the cipher that mostly works lol |
16:45 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
16:46 |
adlai |
on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everycipher drops to mostly |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
me ok i'll bite! |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
to ~whom~ does perelman prove ? |
16:47 |
adlai |
if you're better at quantifying how much sense a market's making to you, than other traders, then you stand to earn more, more often, than them. |
16:47 |
adlai |
even without "understanding" it in any deterministic sense |
16:47 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform which is why he doesn't. |
16:47 |
mircea_popescu |
he has no friends. |
16:47 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the fucking thing there. "some people have no theorems to prove ; most people have no friends that'd know a proof" |
16:48 |
* |
adlai goes back to slinging conses, because he's "not good enough to sling dope" |
16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i didn't go to school every morning i knew the other kids would show up because "i had theorems to prove" |
16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i went because when we were all together it was pretty cool. |
16:49 |
adlai |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNTltOGh5c |
16:49 |
assbot |
Miles Davis - So What - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1okwJ43 ) |
16:50 |
* |
asciilifeform grasps where mircea_popescu is going with this |
16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
ahaha check that out kakobrekla bitbet is nao famous. |
16:51 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that my misfired 5b played a part in this |
16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty lulzy. nicely done :) |
16:51 |
* |
mircea_popescu is tempted to bet himself now. |
16:54 |
thestringpuller |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/45xz0s/hi_im_a_user/ << "Consumers have come to expect" in the wild. |
16:54 |
thestringpuller |
"They shouldn't have to care. They're users. The entire point of being a user is not having to care." |
16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
nice epitaph for heroin addict. |
16:54 |
BingoBoingo |
shinohai: ty fxd |
16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
"he was a user, he never cared, which is the point." |
16:55 |
asciilifeform |
technical term is - 'luser' |
16:55 |
asciilifeform |
pronounced 'ell-user' |
16:56 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Gentilhomme |
16:57 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> nice epitaph for heroin addict. << Note the shared self destructiveness of the illnesses. To be a "user" is to plot a fatal course. |
16:58 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: "In Internet slang, a luser (sometimes expanded to local user; also luzer or luzzer) is a painfully annoying, stupid, or irritating computer user." |
16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller notreally. it's just a dude that expects computers to be metaphysical objects not made of discrete parts. |
17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406226 << works regularly, yes. |
17:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 18:15:15; asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?) |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406230 << yes, but the higher up on the scale, the higher the reasonableness of confidence either way while also closer to mats' hose. |
17:02 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 18:22:55; asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale. |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406244 <<< actually i'm persuaded ai's learning, if actually present, is in principle not translatable to "human terms" ie some readily fih heuristic. |
17:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 18:33:11; *: adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms |
17:04 |
asciilifeform |
aha, dragonfly. |
17:05 |
asciilifeform |
skinner did not have nn, he instead taught pigeon to fly a rocket bomb. and did not ask the pigion how he did it, also. |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
technically pigeon was nn |
17:06 |
adlai |
mircea_popescu: only reason i ignore my unqualification to comment on this topic is that some dude showed up at the local bitcoin wateringhole to demo his luser-friendly stockfish interpreter |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
17:07 |
adlai |
(stockfish is https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish ) |
17:07 |
assbot |
GitHub - official-stockfish/Stockfish: UCI chess engine ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi1VjA ) |
17:07 |
asciilifeform |
wat's stockfish? |
17:07 |
asciilifeform |
hm |
17:08 |
adlai |
dude's illusory relevance to bitcoin was looking for some in order to polish the thing off; which is ironic, because it was quite polished already! unclear where to insert coin. |
17:10 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: where do you find these folks. |
17:11 |
* |
adlai just babysits the watering hole and the folks find their way in... it's right across from the stock exchange, people literally walk in and ask "didn't bitcoin die last year" |
17:11 |
asciilifeform |
and what's a bitcoin watering hole? |
17:12 |
adlai |
http://www.bitembassy.org/ |
17:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152700 @ 0.00056883 = 86.8603 BTC [+] {5} |
17:13 |
adlai |
most relevant&explanatory nonsense pasted in its bathroom is https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/42535 which i didn't post myself but strongly identify with |
17:13 |
assbot |
Quote by Joseph Heller: “Actually there were many officers' clubs that Y...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1okAoii ) |
17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406248 << you recall my discussion of magic and its advantages ? |
17:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 18:36:26; asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't. |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406252 <<< ahjahaha what in the everloving ? |
17:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 18:37:44; jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?! |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
only root can read that anyway. |
17:26 |
deedbot- |
[Qntra] Pravda: Missing Batteries Led Billion Dollar Blimp Astray - http://qntra.net/2016/02/pravda-missing-batteries-led-billion-dollar-blimp-astray/ |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406275 << this is not actually true. |
17:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 19:04:00; kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional. |
17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
lol mp-complete. |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
nice work keeping it together kako :) |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
a problem is mp-complete if its solution requires being mircea_popescu ! |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
and in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/cffa17602be167edc880c4d98319ab81/tumblr_mm6dffZQnM1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg |
17:29 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1okC9fd ) |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
it is mp-hard if it requires merely being phriendz with mircea_popescu ... |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
glasses! let's see if this makes alf say she has an expression! maybe he only digs intellectual chix |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform and i suppose the problem of ages is whether cunt is mp-complete or merely mp-hard ? |
17:31 |
asciilifeform |
possibly. |
17:33 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose i got it backwards |
17:33 |
asciilifeform |
mp-hard - requires being mp. |
17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone gets it backwards when mp's hard! |
17:35 |
asciilifeform |
l0l! |
17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
!up kefkius |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.nada.kth.se/~viggo/problemlist/compendium.html << related... |
17:40 |
assbot |
404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi7qib ) |
17:47 |
jurov |
BingoBoingo: The Billion Dollar blimp which WAS the victim |
17:47 |
jurov |
now you have to send me one share :) |
17:51 |
BingoBoingo |
ty jurov |
17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
18:02 |
* |
BingoBoingo rearranging booksshelves, because seems like most practical way to make reading list |
18:03 |
jurov |
!up dbclk |
18:05 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: what's on your list ? |
18:09 |
shinohai |
The blimp article is just priceless BingoBoingo |
18:11 |
danielpbarron |
yeah i lolled |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
lol not bad |
18:24 |
punkman |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406303 << wouldn't you get nasty diffraction at micron level |
18:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 19:58:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face. |
18:25 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: more holes than pixels. |
18:25 |
asciilifeform |
think aperture grille on crt. |
18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
many many holes |
18:25 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
18:26 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I'll take a picture once I get it sorted. Some things like SICP have yet to be acquired. |
18:27 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: you can read sicp for phree on www |
18:27 |
asciilifeform |
(not even pdfated!11) |
18:27 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I saw, but I like to scribble. |
18:27 |
asciilifeform |
the films are also on www |
18:28 |
asciilifeform |
(yes there was a film series) |
18:28 |
BingoBoingo |
scribble, place postit notes, etc. |
18:28 |
asciilifeform |
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures << them |
18:28 |
assbot |
Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Video Lectures ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqrC6W ) |
18:28 |
BingoBoingo |
hard to do with www |
18:29 |
asciilifeform |
interestingly, these were filmed when some american megacorp (hp?) sent (1980s) its employees to get sicp'd |
18:29 |
asciilifeform |
hence the adult audience visible in the foreground |
18:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Not too uncommon. At Carbondale one graduate class I took on (John) Dewey was filled with Chinese students sent by the Party to get Pragmatized. |
18:37 |
punkman |
more from "my code went to space"-experts http://www.verticalsysadmin.com/making_robust_software/ |
18:37 |
assbot |
Mars Code: building robust software ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqsfNK ) |
18:39 |
asciilifeform |
nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe |
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18:39 |
asciilifeform |
otherwise snore. |
18:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Let us not forget occasional catastrophe has only become more frequent as NSA has aged |
18:40 |
asciilifeform |
waiwut |
18:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Old NASA has Apollo 1 as its sole mega catastrophe (Apollo 13 counts instead as elegant save). New NASA lost two space shuttles. |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: phun phakt: the su 'manned moon' prototype rockets exploded - all 4 of'em - for no particularly good reason. |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
largest rockets ever built. |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
(depending on how measured) |
18:44 |
BingoBoingo |
They exploded for good reason. Entropy tends to find a way. |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
esp. if helped. |
18:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Even if that way is CIA mole |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
recall also that these were primarily 'super' mirv rockets. |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
as in, 1+ cone for every u.s. metropolis. |
18:45 |
ben_vulpes |
STAND BACK |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
(or rather, prototypes thereof) |
18:45 |
ben_vulpes |
I'M CARBONATING WINE |
18:48 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: The 30 or so rockets in first stage was likely ill advised. |
18:50 |
BingoBoingo |
30 irv's prolly fine. 30 mega kerosene openings at the bottom seems like invitation to problem. |
18:55 |
kakobrekla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406651 < i am not sure 2. is avoidable in the current state of affairs |
18:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 15-02-2016 23:39:11; asciilifeform: nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe |
18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
has ben_vulpes discovered spritz ? |
18:59 |
shinohai |
https://redd.it/45xz0s <<< "user is king" keks |
18:59 |
assbot |
Hi, I'm a User : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtCw5 ) |
19:01 |
adlai |
speaking of which, http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spritz+from%3Aadlai is superceded/obsoleted/completed by https://github.com/pasky/speedread |
19:01 |
assbot |
3 results for 'spritz from:adlai' - #bitcoin-assets search |
19:01 |
assbot |
GitHub - pasky/speedread: A simple terminal-based open source Spritz-alike (per-word RSVP aligned on optimal reading points) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtKf4 ) |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
in other vaguely lulzy news : previous (socialist) argentine government "signed" a treaty with china, allowing them a fancy new "satellite" base in the far south, right next to the pole. |
19:15 |
ben_vulpes |
well that was a miserable idea |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
the current "we will pay lizardhitler cronies" guy is going to try and renegotiate that thing to add a clause that the base is "not to be used militarily". as if it has any other fucking purpose than ready bombardment of us/canada. |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
none of this is, of course, ever to be reported in the pravda. |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
suffice it to be said that if you're looking for a place to live in case of open hostilities with china (not that there's any likelyhood of that), texas way better than chicago or new york. |
19:17 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Where's your qntra submission on this subject? |
19:24 |
ben_vulpes |
best of best is to live in incuntsequential hipster holes |
19:25 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: How do you know the hipster holes won't be cleansed for aesthetics? |
19:27 |
pete_dushenski |
sort of a lot of expense for the sake of aesthetics |
19:28 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: How do you judge the cost of making a Deepwater port and fulfilling Teller's dream at the same time? You clease the coastal hipster holes. |
19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo meh, kinda low level lulz. |
19:33 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: antarctic ?! |
19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah |
19:33 |
asciilifeform |
texas?! |
19:34 |
asciilifeform |
explain? |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd gladly explain if you used a verb in your questions like sane people. |
19:34 |
asciilifeform |
ah i get it, nm |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
the miracle of forcing verbs in verbiage! |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
btw idea belongs to chelomey |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
(contemporary of korolev) |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
boil the 'great lakes' |
19:36 |
asciilifeform |
of course this was back when usa had factories there. |
19:38 |
asciilifeform |
i still don't get why cn would need antarctic base when it can shoot over north pole. |
19:39 |
asciilifeform |
like sane people. |
19:39 |
BingoBoingo |
In case Russia gets alarmed by CN launch |
19:40 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
19:41 |
BingoBoingo |
The Russia/China Border not disputed. Better to launch over all the Americas where who the fuck in the flight path can complain? |
19:41 |
* |
BingoBoingo just recieved "computer maintenance department scam call |
19:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.0005603 = 31.9371 BTC [-] {2} |
19:42 |
asciilifeform |
anyway rockets are so 20th c |
19:42 |
asciilifeform |
proper nuke - orbits. |
19:42 |
asciilifeform |
and deorbits. |
19:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, why not just weaponize a panamax or a suezmax a la best korea |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
a fedex crate, aha. |
19:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Problem with orbit is keeping it, and problem with nuke is maintenance |
19:45 |
asciilifeform |
good for ~20 yr |
19:45 |
BingoBoingo |
And then you gotta get it down safely or peace has an expiration date |
19:46 |
asciilifeform |
also remember that orbit of comm sats is low because tx/rx |
19:46 |
asciilifeform |
nuke needs only receive. |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: do your know what graveyard orbit is? |
19:47 |
BingoBoingo |
recieve and avoid having its traditional explosives decay through radition exposure. |
19:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Not really? |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
look it up |
19:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, further up where it becomes still harder to collect for fuel later. |
19:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00056194 = 9.6935 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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21:17 |
deedbot- |
[Trilema] The woman's fault - http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/ |
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21:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16435 @ 0.00055796 = 9.1701 BTC [-] |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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22:08 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/4980 |
22:08 |
assbot |
The Beige of Beijing | Standpoint ... ( http://bit.ly/1R5tJ4u ) |
22:10 |
BingoBoingo |
"And the architecture! Never was any city more captivated by the rectangle. As you take off from Beijing airport, clumps of residential developments rise relentlessly into the distance, each cluster often 60 or so high-rises apiece, each high-rise 50 or so stories tall seeming to reproduce SimCity-style as you watch. They are all drab, they are all the same, they are all hideous. (A student asked after my event whether perhaps |
22:10 |
BingoBoingo |
I didn't care for Beijing's architecture merely because it was "unfamiliar". I looked at him in astonishment. "Unfamiliar!" I exclaimed. This stuff is all over the world!" And an assault of Bauhaus is hardly Chinese.) Put up in the engineering equivalent of 15 minutes, none of these buildings is made to last but when I asked my winsome Han tour guide what would happen when they collapsed, she said with cheerful gusto, "We'll |
22:10 |
BingoBoingo |
build them again!"" |
22:12 |
BingoBoingo |
"The fact that all over Beijing you have to put soiled loo roll in a little basket beside the toilet is telling: the infrastructure is fragile." << Very Rural of them |
22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
the toilet paper nuttery is endemic in central america also. i always ignored it, to no detriment. sort-of wondering whether there's any more substance to this nonsense than any urban legend. to this day for instance south koreans believe magical asphyxiation rays come out of fans left running while people sleep. |
22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
the telltale, specific nonsense old women come up with, but particularly successfully rooted. |
22:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Around here the toilet paper is associated with the very rural people who have fragile septic tank systems. |
22:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Those of us in town get our flushing (and wire internet) privilege |
22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
what is a bit of cellulose supposed to do ? |
22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
it actually decomposes faster than feces. |
22:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Over time supposedly accumulates. It may break down faster than feces, but it doesn't liquify as fast. |
22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
you ever tried this experiment ? or how do you know ? |
22:16 |
BingoBoingo |
The concern isn't actually the tank, but the pipes that run from the tank to the leech field |
22:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Heard horror stories. |
22:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Got to enjoy tales of the weirdo bumpkin kids on college campuses who were in the no flushing the toilet paper habit |
22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
i heard horror stories about jews stealing good german women's sexual mojo, also. |
22:17 |
mats |
on the subject of Koreans |
22:17 |
BingoBoingo |
WHo hasn't heard those? |
22:17 |
mats |
I have heard more than one insist that Confucius was Korean |
22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
there's this general tendency of shitty countries to entertain this dream that they're really cool. |
22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a section of romania convinced that this romanian dude invented writing and taught the romans to fuck and egyptians to pyramid. |
22:19 |
mats |
and that their cultural dress is original, rather than heavily derivative of the fashions from the Tang |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: don't forget the little detail where 'fan death' somehow ... only happens to ethnic koreans! |
22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
right, |
22:22 |
mats |
this is what happens when americans prop up a nation of farmers |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
americans ARE a nation fo farmers. |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
most of them, first generation in shoes, actually. |
22:24 |
mats |
and while I'm venting about Koreans, their food fucking sucks and utterly lacks any kind of nuance |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
mats: tell this to nubbins', iirc he is eating kimchi still, many years after his tour of duty |
22:26 |
mats |
the only thing the world knows about .kr food is Korean BBQ and kimchi |
22:26 |
mats |
think about that for a second |
22:27 |
asciilifeform |
forgot dogs |
22:27 |
* |
BingoBoingo is disappoint that other people discovered beef tongue is delicious and it is priced locally on par with other actual foods that don't suck |
22:27 |
mats |
my grandfather ate dog during the famine, no shame in that |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
not in famine, but as standard butcher shop fare |
22:28 |
mats |
also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too |
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22:28 |
asciilifeform |
mmm |
22:28 |
mats |
welcome to hell |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
the swap detail is interesting |
22:29 |
mats |
so many koreans I have met, have serious attitude problems |
22:30 |
mats |
so many chix are high maintenance princesses, dudes tend to be belligerent and unbearable when drunk |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
saw a great kr film not long ago, about baduk (go) mafia |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
showcases both. |
22:34 |
mats |
recall the name? I'll add to my list |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
'divine move' |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3419894 |
22:37 |
assbot |
Sin-ui Hansu (2014) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1olf6kv ) |
22:48 |
mats |
the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party |
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22:49 |
mats |
people here have no sense of scale beyond the drops of blood spilled on 9/11 |
22:52 |
mats |
hundreds of millions toiled, sweat blood, and died in the last thirty years to make .cn great |
22:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00055508 = 14.6541 BTC [+] |
22:54 |
mats |
meanwhile my generation chants 'feel the bern' because he proffers entitlements on the backs of corporations |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406782 << good nyooz! this is fixable!111 |
22:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-02-2016 03:48:41; mats: the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
won't be long to wait. |
22:58 |
mats |
i wonder all the time if this is just wishful thinking on my part |
22:59 |
mats |
many ancient empires took centuries to die, despite entering infirmity long before, after all |
23:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00055456 = 11.0357 BTC [-] |
23:02 |
mats |
anyways, finite |
23:02 |
mats |
gnite* |
23:10 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406770 << this is the worst thing i've ever read in here. |
23:10 |
assbot |
Logged on 16-02-2016 03:28:14; mats: also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too |
23:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25415 @ 0.00055508 = 14.1074 BTC [+] {2} |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, they swap daughter with neighbour prior to fucking, why not infant prior to eating. |
23:19 |
danielpbarron |
not the swap part :/ |
23:20 |
danielpbarron |
that makes sick sense; don't want to eat own son |
23:34 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Compute-c |
23:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00055514 = 22.6497 BTC [+] {3} |
23:45 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html |
23:45 |
assbot |
1999 Darwin Award: Resistance is Futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEgRrb ) |
23:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74105 @ 0.00056186 = 41.6366 BTC [+] {4} |