#trilema | 2016-01-27

>> Historically Bitcoin is far from "reliable" as we have all experienced. For instance, we had a ValueOverflow incident on 2010/08/15 in which billions of Bitcoin were generated in 1 single block. << bitcoin didn't even really exist in 2010

00:07

miners rejecting softforks and encouraging hard is like... like... i can't even.

00:09

and is "BitMEX" supposed to be confused with MPEx ? or is that just in my head?

00:12

Who knows anymore

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00:37

o wow, they charged the bundy thing huh ?

00:37

Well, for a handful of them

00:37

Still ~100 camped out

00:38

curious how this theory of "kill ammon the rest will go home" pans out for them

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Duffer1

ammon's fine, they killed tarptard

00:39

Prolly like Waco

00:39

Duffer1: Ryan's wounded

00:39

Duffer1

ya

00:41

asciilifeform> anything involving american 'militia' sums to 0 from start. << they have a word for the dudes knowing the results of experiments aforehand, and that name pointedly isn't scientist.

00:44

BingoBoingo should end article in a question.

00:47

fxd

00:55

Duffer1 right you are.

00:55

well, curious nevertheless.

00:57

alright, all of V's automated tests are updated & passing. manual tests look good so far. documentation is updated. should be ready for a new bundle by the end of the week.

00:59

Salud!

01:02

"Recruits and their parents will have questions about either approach, although question No. 1 should be: How could a player the program used to plaster on billboards across the state end up in a video like that?" >> http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-if-clean-mauk-should-come-clean/article_9a463c0c-1b1b-5464-8e26-bf9d5ef536c2.html

01:02

BenFred: If clean, Mauk should come clean : Sports ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmSL1g )

01:06

IN other sports balls https://i2.wp.com/memecollection.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/butt-bouncing-cup-cute-girl-gifs.gif?fit=200%2C353

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... ( http://bit.ly/1TmT0JM )

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01:25

deedbot-

[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.46301616 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b79

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lol Trumettes can cry all they like. My establishment boy Rubio's still the BitBet (i.e. real) favorite for the nomination https://bitbet.us/bet/1205/marco-rubio-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/

01:28

BitBet - Marco Rubio will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.54 B (54%) on Yes, 0.47 B (46%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 37`696 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwMN1 )

01:32

!up Alopex

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02:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00056079 = 10.8232 BTC [+] {3}

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04:54

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386719 <<< feels like tossing a mentos in diet coke

04:54

Logged on 27-01-2016 00:09:14; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell davout good job https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42tcqm/eli5_wouldnt_it_be_extremely_inefficient_to_copy/

05:07

;;bc,stats

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05:32

Truefax: After Deliverance was released a major tourism and rafting industry developed along that stretch of river

05:41

!up srijan

05:41

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386872 < yes it is possible to do that

05:41

Logged on 27-01-2016 03:08:00; srijan: thanks adlai for the info. kakobrekla, would you be able to help with that?

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06:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32740 @ 0.00055914 = 18.3062 BTC [-] {2}

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07:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00055914 = 16.9699 BTC [-]

07:53

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asciilifeform dreamed that the only type of meat now permitted was: worm, and was touring a former sausage factory, where they still made sausages, but never sold'em - only hung them up in specially-made racks to be infested by worms and converted entirely to them, before shipment

07:54

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386973 << this is 'experiment' in the same sense as.. dropping a cube of sugar in a glass of water.

07:54

Logged on 27-01-2016 05:41:09; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> anything involving american 'militia' sums to 0 from start. << they have a word for the dudes knowing the results of experiments aforehand, and that name pointedly isn't scientist.

07:55

usaschwitz 'militia' folk are not pashtuns. they come from the same broken culture as everybody else.

07:56

they are the full intellectual equals of the new york death ray schmuck

07:56

as demonstrated by every single interaction between them and usg, ever, to date.

07:58

i know that mircea_popescu gotta have his 'tough, resourceful partizans vs cowardly, blundering polizei' narrative. but look for it elsewhere.

07:58

(even the urban black gangs are better candidates...)

07:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84400 @ 0.00055877 = 47.1602 BTC [-] {3}

08:06

but in point of fact there are no partizans in usa.

08:07

any more than stampeding bulls are partizans on a farm.

08:07

farmer - knows how to deal with the bull.

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08:42

BingoBoingo, "six members of the members of the" 1st paragraph

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09:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12934 @ 0.00056201 = 7.269 BTC [+] {2}

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10:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42u1v8/core_devs_communication_has_improved_thank_you/ looky what a healer

10:00

Core Devs: Communication has improved, thank you. Two more moves, and the civil war may end. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JENEaE )

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lol

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"Move 1) Core clearly commits to a hard fork block size increase, by adding it to its formal roadmap."

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lemme guess, reddit is pompously calling "everyone ignores us" a "civil war" ?

10:01

"Move 2) Core formally, publicly, and clearly denounces the censorship that has plagued community discussion, and should apologize for not having done so earlier. "

10:01

herpitty derp. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386034

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Logged on 26-01-2016 15:22:52; mircea_popescu: Following a campaign by 100 advocacy groups, Facebook agreed to update its policy on hate speech. The campaign highlighted content promoting domestic and sexual violence against women, and used over 57,000 tweets and more than 4,900 emails that caused withdrawal of advertising from the site by 15 companies, including Nissan UK, House of Burlesque and Nationwide UK. The social media website initially

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asciilifeform> but in point of fact there are no partizans in usa. <<< this is factually not so.

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and i resent the "narrative" implication, especially seeing how it's your fucking problem.

10:09

<+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000194.html << Cool! I missed this lastnight. Can we use this to build the R.I. as we know it today, or is 'Shiva' the name of the required changes to the R.I. to use tinyscheme?

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[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WN9kDm )

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Or how do we utilize this.

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I thought Shiva is tinyscheme stuffed into the R.I. ?

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I have no clue. Was hoping asciilifeform would explain all of this when he gets a chance.

10:12

no he sent today only the tinyscheme code

10:12

the integration to come later

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mod6 not for a while yet.

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the idea is to replace json with sexpr which means you'll have to have some sort of scheme in there. and once you do, it'll replace the retarded format of coin scripts too, eventually.

10:13

but this is a very far seeing thing, for now it means ~nothing to bitcoind

10:15

isn't sexpr some kinda latex stuff?

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plus, as the database/datastructure (both in-memory and on-disk) implementations in C/C++ are retarded, they may be replaced by scheme ones (don't take that as promise on my part)

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mircea_popescu: ahh, ok thanks for clearing that up.

10:16

actually it's the hole through which the day comes in, to stick to estalibhsed metaphora.

10:16

;;google s-expression

10:16

S-expression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-expression>; S-Expressions - Rosetta Code: <http://rosettacode.org/wiki/S-Expressions>; Lisp: list vs S-expression - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10771107/lisp-list-vs-s-expression>

10:16

^ thestringpuller

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thestringpuller if you recall the raging arguments between the hyerophants and the zealots, s-expr was the one faint hope the alphabetic side nailed its hopes on.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00055229 = 36.2302 BTC [-] {4}

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10:54

!up ascii_butugychag

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13975 @ 0.00056202 = 7.8542 BTC [+]

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387030 << actually the basic shivatron is done, but i'd like to test before posting

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Logged on 27-01-2016 15:12:46; mircea_popescu: mod6 not for a while yet.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387032 << initially the thing is to be used, very carefully, as a kind of scriptable debugger (e.g., 'when a tx comes in, do XXX'

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Logged on 27-01-2016 15:13:24; mircea_popescu: but this is a very far seeing thing, for now it means ~nothing to bitcoind

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)

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my first attempt was a very dirty hack, i re-did it as a properly vtronic thing (to preserve pedigree linkage to classical tinyscheme)

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incidentally, ~nobody~ noticed that i used an ancient vdiff that shat out timestamps

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mod6: should i re-grind the ts genesis? or can your vtron eat this without choking.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387021 << if mircea_popescu tells me there are partizans, i'll believe. but the (fed-subsidized!) ranchers are sad schmucks.

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Logged on 27-01-2016 15:02:51; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but in point of fact there are no partizans in usa. <<< this is factually not so.

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(perhaps whoever shot out the substations in ca last year, partizans)

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387027 << i promise to explain once the whole thing is up on the ml.

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Logged on 27-01-2016 15:12:03; mod6: I have no clue. Was hoping asciilifeform would explain all of this when he gets a chance.

11:15

shiva is a very dangerous instrument, and anyone considering using it for whatever purpose will need to read the docs and 'measure seven times, cut once'

11:16

basically it gives you hooks into the internal guts of bitcoind?

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aha.

11:17

you telnet and get a repl.

11:17

is this a step toward a working bitcoin-os?

11:17

something like that.

11:18

shinohai

telnet yet! I love it.

11:18

ascii_butugychag> incidentally, ~nobody~ noticed that i used an ancient vdiff that shat out timestamps << no, i noticed, as well as the "false" string.

11:19

prolly gonna have to rebake it

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(and afaik nobody cancelled the 'false' for file dels)

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PeterL: the goal is much more modest, i just need something that lets me poke around a running trb

11:20

gdb is a nonstarter, thing won't keep time with it in

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and let's stick with the "narrative" bs. whether the us has any sensible life left in it somehwere or not doth make very little difference to me. i'd be quick to believe it makes very little difference to you also, if it weren't for your sad situation of being EX

11:20

ACTLY what you loudly despise in those rangers.

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which is to say, fed subsidized.

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mircea_popescu: i think even the air i breathe is subsidized somehow.

11:21

so, how about : you show me you can in fact live like a man, rather than as a welfare child, and then i show you where there are partisans, to believe.

↖ ↖

11:21

how about that.

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but until such a time, i'll extend those dudes trying to do stuff the same slack i extend you, which is : who knows, maybe they are what they wish to be instead of what their environment seems to dictate. and maybe one day.

11:23

<+ascii_butugychag> mod6: should i re-grind the ts genesis? or can your vtron eat this without choking. << i can throw it in my patches dir tonight and see what it does with it.

11:23

it doesn't altogether seem a stretch, to me, this. but to attack the concept is to attack yourself.

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!up ascii_butugychag

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mircea_popescu: what would this look like? kalash, kandahar ?

11:26

no one can tell a man what his fucking life looks like!

11:26

all you can tell from aside is what it can't look like.

11:26

no but what would count as properly honourable

11:26

do i have to catch own goat ?

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or is it permissible to buy one

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depends. is it with money you buy it, or with asshole ?

11:27

with money. but then turns out that said goat was subsidized by american occupying soldiers...

11:27

there's no "turns out".

11:27

that's the problem here. this constant "turns out" device which allows you to pretend metaphysics beats physics and meta-* rules supreme.

11:27

nonsense!

11:28

stop passing by reference and instead pass by value. lest you sit among a pile of knotted pointers wondering where all the value went.

11:30

anyone got that recent pic/link showing bitcoin dev by lines since beginning at hand?

11:31

yes one sec

11:31

!s in other news from:jurov

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7 results for 'in other news from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=in+other+news+from%3Ajurov

11:31

thank you

11:33

http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png

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... ( http://bit.ly/1PzK4Le )

11:33

oh

11:33

better twice than nullce

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lol

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12:15

!up ascii_butugychag

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ascii_butugychag just now realizes that mircea_popescu would make a world-class sergeant

12:17

heh

12:19

he can say 'drop and fifty pushups, maggot' and it will not even occur to one to not do the push-ups, much less that one is not maggot

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and perhaps there is even good reason for this!

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how else.

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anyway - i keep slaves, it affords me deeper knowledge and more experience in less time than any sargent could ever hope for.

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but the deep reason isn't that it doesn't occur to the girls. it does occur. what also occurs is that it doth not, at the time, matter! whether they're maggots or not.

12:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00056334 = 27.998 BTC [+] {3}

12:22

i recall a spiffy mircea_popescu article re: how one ends up having to lie to chix, when telling them that they are worthless, because they are in fact worth something

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whereas a bloke is worth something possibly at the moment he charges the enemy machine-gun nest successfully

12:23

why so sexist ?

12:23

how did it go... 'mammalian reproduction shits out horde of disposable males'

12:24

hard to argue with this.

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yes, well, in this sense at rest photons are the most valuable thing in the world, seeing how nature doth not shit them out at all.

12:26

anyway, this discussion goes splendidly with the article i've been working on, so ...

12:26

'bird's milk'

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(or, in the anglo world, 'hen's teeth')

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deedbot-

[Trilema] The end of democracy - http://trilema.com/2016/the-end-of-democracy/

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35420579

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79106 @ 0.00054946 = 43.4656 BTC [-]

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punkman

14:30

Google achieves AI 'breakthrough' by beating Go champion - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyFDul )

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punkman

"Earlier on Wednesday, Facebook's chief executive had said its own AI project had been "getting close" to beating humans at Go."

14:33

awww.

14:35

http://news.softpedia.com/news/android-ransomware-threatens-to-share-your-browsing-history-with-your-friends-499508.shtml

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00055139 = 18.637 BTC [+]

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punkman

14:50

so basically what, mandatory facebooking ?

14:50

"dear blackmailer - please do! i was dying for attention anyway."

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387104 << incidentally the idf has signed its own death certificate; by the time i served, your sergeant had to drop and do the pushups together with you!

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Logged on 27-01-2016 17:19:02; ascii_butugychag: he can say 'drop and fifty pushups, maggot' and it will not even occur to one to not do the push-ups, much less that one is not maggot

14:58

any self-respecting unit had exceptions in place, but every single new recruit had to sign a form exempting their sergeants from such rules

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggnog_Riot << this is one of the lulziest things ever.

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Eggnog Riot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDQPRk )

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i'm not even sure if the events or the tardpedia retelling make it.

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doesn't wikipedia have some sort of "needs to be noteable" policy?

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yes, but it's necessarily a meaningless test seeing how wikipedia itself is not notable.

15:21

!up ascii_butugychag

15:21

so there is a kind of phree volkischer-beobachter they hand out in the train station here. and it had a full page ad in it today, melted my brain, full pyongyang mode

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had an obama standing in a photoshopped mountain canyon, sunrise illuminating his saintly halo,

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'thank you obama for defending our public lands!'

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i shit thee not.

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http://www.cracked.com/article_14981_the-8-most-needlessly-detailed-wikipedia-entries.html

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The 8 Most Needlessly Detailed Wikipedia Entries | Cracked.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDTWsB )

15:23

ascii_butugychag put a pic up ?

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i'll grab a copy on my way back & scan it

15:23

just so precious.

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PeterL anything about the most tediously unfunny cracked article ?

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meh, it was the first thing that popped up. I don't really reccommen the link

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incidentally the centerpiece article in that rag was hilarious, it was about d.c. folk fighting over (yes) parking spots they excavated in the snow

15:26

don't Chicago people do that all the time?

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no idea

15:27

"People are assholes, news at 11!"

15:27

so how does obama relate to the collapsed urban infrastructure i nthe very fucking capitol ?

15:28

fiddles while it burns ?

15:36

so in a quest for obscure nonsense, we encounter an interesting bit of david blight : "One of the ideas the reconciliationist Lost Cause instilled deeply into the national culture is that even when Americans lose, they win. Such was the message, the indomitable spirit, that Margaret Mitchell infused into her character Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With the Wind."

15:36

this dude http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/opinion/30blight.html

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Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDVYc0 )

15:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8471 @ 0.00055821 = 4.7286 BTC [+] {2}

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!up ascii_butugychag

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;;later tell adlai http://www.loper-os.org/?p=13&cpage=1#comment-17582

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Loper OS » The Book ... ( http://bit.ly/20tnuMf )

16:14

The operation succeeded.

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^ anybody else who wanted kogge's mega-b00k

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l337 w4r3z!11111

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adlai only w4r3z secondhand cl3475

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pretty decent scan.

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no idea who did it.

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ascii_butugychag: danke! i was able to get the pdf from the 2nd link with a textmode browser... "look ma, no js!"

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now it just needs to become a djvu

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and it'll be a winner.

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srsly who saves scans as pdf.

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savages.

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isn't pdf kinda bulky?

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bitmaps are bulky

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and on the 8th day, God released pdf2djvu

16:24

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/213445/why-does-ti-have-so-many-microcontrollers << random lulz

16:24

Why does TI have so many microcontrollers? - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/20toNLf )

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'Hercules is a continuation of the TMS470/TMS570 line. It's focused on safety and performance. One of the key features of Hercules is dual CPUs running the same code in parallel ("lock-step"). This lets you immediately detect faults in the CPU itself.' << apparently not entirely extinct

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shinohai

;;later tell mircea_popescu I installed Eulora on my new lappy, any chance you can resend me my pass when you have time? thanx.

16:31

The operation succeeded.

16:38

i was just in a meeting where bosses decided to downgrade ~10k windows 10 users to TLS 1.0 (from 1.2) because of a bug from patch tuesday

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wat

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40419 @ 0.00055682 = 22.5061 BTC [-] {4}

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shinohai nope, i dun keep em.

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do you have the original paste ?

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387031 <<< pretty cool!

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Logged on 27-01-2016 15:13:14; mircea_popescu: the idea is to replace json with sexpr which means you'll have to have some sort of scheme in there. and once you do, it'll replace the retarded format of coin scripts too, eventually.

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word.

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i meant to link to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387060 actually

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Logged on 27-01-2016 16:17:10; ascii_butugychag: you telnet and get a repl.

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:D

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lol.

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http://www.vdare.com/posts/anarcho-tyranny-danish-girl-fights-off-attempted-rape-gets-charged-by-government

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Anarcho-Tyranny: Danish Girl Fights Off Attempted Rape, Gets Charged By Government | VDARE - premier news outlet for patriotic immigration reform ... ( http://bit.ly/20tvHQp )

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ben_vulpes: reason #310421 i need to move to portland: better air quality. How the fuck do I get inflamed sinuses in fucking winter?

17:23

Georgia is such a cesspool.

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No that's a reason to move to a mountaintop.

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or mircea_popescu's salt mine

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386920 << and chetty, in tribute i imagine

17:40

Logged on 27-01-2016 03:51:03; BingoBoingo: Oh trilema header returns with more pyramid and afro

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19436 @ 0.00055856 = 10.8562 BTC [+] {2}

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ben_vulpes doffs hat

17:47

ben_vulpes: how's that jew fro going?

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not.

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thestringpuller has a soft spot for jew fros.

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> ro-fro

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thestringpuller: you're not alone as a black-dude-with-an-affinity-slash-respect-for-the-non-black-dude-fro. when i let my hair down, everyone from the ethiopian immigrants here to the locals in jamaica all be like "yo man! hao cum yoo iz gott hayur like mee?!"

17:56

exactly.

17:56

lets go do disco now and dance!

17:57

if anything can ever bridge the black-white divide, it's this genetic anomaly.

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and basic white girls. black gus love basic white girls.

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guys*

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387119 << how did this entire ~1.5k word piece not mention 'power laws' one single time ? iza disappoint :P

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Logged on 27-01-2016 19:02:52; deedbot-: [Trilema] The end of democracy - http://trilema.com/2016/the-end-of-democracy/

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;;ud basic

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Basic | Basic. An adjective used to describe any person, place, activity involving obscenely obvious behavior, dress, action. Unsophisticated. Transparent motives .

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;;ud basic white girl

18:00

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=basic+white+girl | Basic white girl. Starbucks Uggs Lots of selfies. Dog pictures. I love you all over tumblr. Heart emojis. Leggings as pants. Forever 21 iPhone. Straightens hair ...

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thestringpuller: i can't not think of 'basic' without thinking of the seminal 'lohanthony' skit about 'all the basic bitches' etc.

18:01

And not to "date" just to hit it and quit it after a fraternity party or something.

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L0L. That's understandable. Having gone to university with tons of basic white girl clones, they do know how to dress to visual stimulate sexual arousal. But that's about all their good for.

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they're*

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6iBDwspjMU

18:03

Tosh.0 Web Redemption (lohanthony) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1nzdyTE )

18:03

Fucking Reddit tries to applied ethics https://archive.is/y34Ti

18:03

Stopping the asshole who constantly takes an offroad shortcut. : pettyrevenge ... ( http://bit.ly/1nzdEdL )

18:04

*

BingoBoingo pretty sure the 'Murican cookie cutter subdivisions are social experiments in the vein of 'vaults' in fallout

18:05

LOLOLOL

18:05

coincidentally in fallout4 you start off in exactly that, a cookie cutter subdivision.

18:07

*

BingoBoingo was just commenting on the reddit applied ethics failure.

18:15

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387129 << just keeps sargeants from getting fat. wut.

18:15

Logged on 27-01-2016 19:57:40; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387104 << incidentally the idf has signed its own death certificate; by the time i served, your sergeant had to drop and do the pushups together with you!

18:16

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387128 << i swear to god this is the primary reason that 99% of "connected" folks use "password" as a password. "omg i got hacked, now i have something to do and something to talk about!"

18:16

Logged on 27-01-2016 19:50:29; mircea_popescu: "dear blackmailer - please do! i was dying for attention anyway."

18:16

"they hacked me! MEEEEE!!!!1"

18:16

using "password" as a password should be mandatory.

18:17

"no sig, not me."

18:17

tell that to jurov for coinbr ;/

18:18

and what about your 'sig' ? should its password mandatorily be 'password' too ??!

18:18

coinbr has 2fa, soon mandatory

18:18

ur welcome to make your account public

18:19

jurov: i don't happen to agree with ben on this point. just poking you ;)

18:19

i don't happen to think that anything should be 'mandatory'

18:20

let idiots who want to be idiots get raped for the privilege. nothing wrong with that.

18:20

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386995 <<< doesn';t seem like a terribly good idea. if those people wanted to make it public, they would have. if they didn't, there's no standing for random outsider, phd or no phd, to ask for anything.

18:20

Logged on 27-01-2016 10:41:28; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386872 < yes it is possible to do that

18:21

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387211 << da hell's a basic white girl.

18:21

Logged on 27-01-2016 22:58:50; thestringpuller: and basic white girls. black gus love basic white girls.

18:21

who would make a specified password mandatory anyhow ? and if everyone's stuck with the same one, don't you just have usernames left ?

18:22

ben_vulpes: or create a public mpex account, i'm sure that would be something to talk about

18:22

mircea_popescu 'yes it is possible' to rate in private message is what i meant

18:22

ah ye<a

18:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00055724 = 10.8662 BTC [-] {2}

18:27

that nobody's seen fit to implement gpg session auth is not my problem

18:27

i have, at least twice now.

18:27

www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/arts/design/cambodias-new-angkor-museum-created-by-a-north-korean-art-factory.html

18:28

anyways, 'mandatory' is a bit of a joke.

18:28

dammit http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/arts/design/cambodias-new-angkor-museum-created-by-a-north-korean-art-factory.html

18:28

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1nzgFLd )

18:28

dafuq, even taxes aren't mandatory around here.

18:29

what are you, danielpbarron ?

18:30

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387163 << page ratio might even work for kindle

18:30

Logged on 27-01-2016 21:15:01; ascii_butugychag: ^ anybody else who wanted kogge's mega-b00k

18:32

lolz

18:33

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387181 << finally landed new job then ?

18:33

Logged on 27-01-2016 21:38:09; mats: i was just in a meeting where bosses decided to downgrade ~10k windows 10 users to TLS 1.0 (from 1.2) because of a bug from patch tuesday

18:34

(or was this in logs ?)

18:37

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387233 << ditto 'the fappening' ; now everyone gets to see your hot bod and you don't come off like a slut

18:37

Logged on 27-01-2016 23:16:24; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387128 << i swear to god this is the primary reason that 99% of "connected" folks use "password" as a password. "omg i got hacked, now i have something to do and something to talk about!"

18:38

which is pretty much the ideal balance of signals as far as ustards are concerned

18:39

super fucking meta, yes, but what else can we expect from 'trizantium' ?

18:40

pete_dushenski: yeah, i slave for a private univ in boston.

18:41

!up ascii_butugychag

18:41

mats: aha.

18:42

wtf is trizantium

18:42

byzantium redux

18:42

traditionally that's ru

18:44

americans are unoriginal. wut.

18:44

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-12-2015#1344632 << references

18:44

Logged on 16-12-2015 18:06:03; mircea_popescu: trizantynes lol.

18:45

mats: working as a reverser at last ?

18:46

no

18:46

the struggle continues

18:48

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387121 << the sc4mz0rz neglect to mention that the wins were in handicap games

18:48

Logged on 27-01-2016 19:30:33; punkman: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35420579

18:48

you and i can also win against world champion with nine stone handicap, quite possibly.

18:48

srsly could they not find somebody who ~actually plays~ the motherfucking game, to write these articles ?!!

18:53

http://dpaste.com/1XS50VW.txt << my bitcoin-developed scamdar is dinging like a motherfucker from this 'glass' company's email. is there nowhere that sv retardation hasn't poisoned ? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT HOW MUCH YOU RAISED !!1 there, i said it. also, no, i won't "think tesla factory". at least not without thinking 'zil scam'. so fuck you and your dumb parallels.

18:53

... ( http://bit.ly/1PTIggC )

18:54

"it's like the uber of ice cream shops". yea, i'm sure that's what the kid the the bicycle-mounted ice cream cooler is.

18:57

shinohai

https://redd.it/42zzgt

18:57

Butter behind consider.it, a voting platform claiming to have been used by NASA, says that the website isn't ready for "robust voting". That's after a three years in development. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Scjn64 )

18:58

lol dunno why it reminded me to "they live" glasses

18:59

http://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2016/01/farewell-marvin-minsky-19272016/

18:59

Farewell, Marvin Minsky (1927–2016)—Stephen Wolfram Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScjwGN )

19:00

!s minsky

19:00

26 results for 'minsky' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=minsky

19:01

but by... wolfram

19:01

your favourite, neh ? ;)

19:03

https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/42z5yy/cryptsy_cofounder_and_josh_garza_coconspirator_is/

19:03

Cryptsy Co-founder and Josh Garza Co-conspirator is the ideas guy behind Bitcoin Classic : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScjT40 )

19:03

"…teacher pay in the United States seems more like something from Soviet-era Russia than 21st century America. Wages for teachers are low, egalitarian and not based on performance. We pay phys ed teachers about the same as math teachers despite the fact that math teachers have greater opportunities elsewhere in the economy. As a result, we have lots of excellent phys ed teachers but not nearly enough excellent math

19:03

chers…" << good for gladiators (us-style football), not so good for anything or anyone else.

19:05

pete_dushenski: Phys ed egalitarianism though backstops a tournament market. Not every PE teacher/coach can be Nick Saban, but they all want to be.

19:05

how do you pay teachers based on performance?

19:06

BingoBoingo: who's he again ?

19:06

It's a mystery

19:06

pete_dushenski: Roll Tide

19:07

*

pete_dushenski still has to google

19:08

ascii_butugychag> you and i can also win against world champion with nine stone handicap, quite possibly. << i have. friendly game tho.

19:08

and looky, they gotta get the shareholders excited. remember how jobs built apple ?

19:09

i thought mircea_popescu only played gurlz

19:09

nah, just things that start with the letter 'g'

19:10

well there's a lot of championships :D

19:10

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-04-2015#1109953 << see also

19:10

Logged on 24-04-2015 22:00:56; mircea_popescu: i... had to leave.

19:14

!up ascii_butugychag

19:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00055318 = 11.7827 BTC [-]

19:29

pete_dushenski: Nick Saban is the person who has the job all PE teachers and coaches want.

19:30

pete_dushenski: ANd this is because it turns out public schools really do the tournament market thing with some jobs.

19:33

did saban start as a hs teacher then ?

19:40

pete_dushenski: Unsure. He trained for the same job market they did.

19:40

And occasially yes, HS teachers make the jump from public high school coaching to public university coaching and the long slog of trying to supplant Saban in the job market.

19:41

!up d_rebel_

19:41

*

thestringpuller imagaines elementary school PE teacher coaching the shit out of some 6 year olds playing football.

19:42

deedbot-

[Qntra] Oregon Standoff Supplanted In US Media By Celebrity Drama - http://qntra.net/2016/01/oregon-standoff-supplanted-in-us-media-by-celebrity-drama/

19:42

BingoBoingo: some college coaches rake in more than nfl coaches, neh ?

19:42

Do NFL coaches have salary cap like players?

19:43

nope. they don't have salary cap it seems.

19:43

pete_dushenski: Well there's a lot of NFL/College back and forth on all coaching positions. In the lower levels of the coaching heirarchy high school coaches often make it in.

19:44

prolly why baseball is so skewed. lack of salary cap on players. well capitalized teams always beat out the underdogs, (hence the creation of moneyball)

19:45

Baseball is great because teams tend to suck at deciding who the player to offer the mega, instead of merely lucrative, contracts to.

19:46

overpaid players underperforming. sounds a lot like CEOs.

19:47

Or getting injured.

19:48

Or the particular way they are so much better not really being worth the premium price in the larger scheme of things.

19:49

And if you get to an especially spendy team that isn't careful about curating their acquisitions like the Dodgers, you get the personality conflicts.

19:52

github is getting ddosed

19:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00055927 = 29.9209 BTC [+] {3}

19:53

BingoBoingo: makes sense given what i've heard about the size of the hs market. http://www.businessinsider.com/allen-texas-largest-high-school-football-stadiums-2011-2 << 5yo and still bananas in scale. there are surely bigger venues today.

19:53

10 ginormous high-school stadiums that were bought with tax dollars - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQtOrW )

19:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.0005569 = 10.4697 BTC [-]

19:54

guruvan

yah - they're saying they're down on twitter thestringpuller

19:54

pete_dushenski: Well, everything is bigger in Texas... except the dicks

19:54

trinque

ahem.

19:54

!b 2

19:54

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17R50MT.txt )

19:54

anywho, i'm off to the races. chip chip cheerio mates!

19:56

trinque: I'll take that comment back if you can get together a freedom loving militia to liberate the Alamo. I'll need something to write about after Obola goes Janet Reno mass murder in Oregon Waco style.

19:57

trinque

lol, I have my doubts about the Alamo's defensibility

19:58

But its history shows that it is good for amplifying the effect of a defensive force in battle. Santa Anna might not have tried taking it if he had to pay out life insurance...

19:59

!Up HostFat

20:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88460 @ 0.00056072 = 49.6013 BTC [+] {4}

20:07

https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/42xa4o/roger_ver_outraged_when_his_friend_eric_posts_on/

20:07

Roger Ver outraged when his friend Eric posts on r/bitcoin, but accidently admits he reads r/bitcoin instead of his r/btc cesspool. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQv6mS )

20:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00055649 = 27.4906 BTC [-] {3}

20:14

;;later tell polarbeard It is very important that you come clean on whether your name is read PolarBeard or PolarBearD

20:14

The operation succeeded.

~ 23 minutes ~

20:38

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387356 << actually is polar beard

20:38

Logged on 28-01-2016 01:14:19; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell polarbeard It is very important that you come clean on whether your name is read PolarBeard or PolarBearD

20:38

that's the far worse choice

20:39

that's why I chose it

20:39

a daemon for routing polar bears would be far more useful

20:39

too much charisma is dangerous

20:42

Lots of things are dangerous. A value underflow bug in a polar bear routing daemon though would be dangerous in the awesome way.

20:43

MAXINT-1 polar bears appearing in arbitrary places, etc

20:43

buffer underflow is the less exciting I ever heard

20:43

*bug

20:45

exiting depends not on the mechanics of the bug, but on what it does

20:46

Imagine you're in your basement, about to jack it when suddenly 9223372036854775806 polar bears spawn at you location. Not so less exciting anymore is it?

20:49

thanks, now I'm polarbored.

20:52

And whose failing is that? You could be doing literally anything right now. You could be reading, coding, or playing Natasha Henstridge but instead you are letting yourself be bored.

20:53

nice try Natasha.

20:57

ok asciilifeform

20:57

here we got, a few thins

20:57

*things

20:57

hm?

20:57

;;ticker --market all

20:57

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 393.28, vol: 4458.55944830 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 394.82, vol: 5628.47803 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 393.44, vol: 8847.27119001 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.99, vol: 0.067 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 396.84616, vol: 29501.99640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 393.79011, vol: 209.50503808 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 400.715199989, vol: 52.67371176 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

20:57

;;more

20:57

395.657700093

20:57

man

20:57

ok.

20:58

so http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000185.html << sig doesnt use the correct nomenclature.

20:58

[BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdvdyY )

20:58

ditto this one: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000191.html

20:58

[BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7GR40 )

20:58

mod6: this one looks like it got mangled

20:59

by the ml

20:59

can rename

20:59

I just noticed this now. And the sig verifies just fine, but yah. mis-named in the email so that threw me off a bit.

20:59

anyway... thats just an fyi

20:59

but moving on to your tinyscheme stuff...

21:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54250 @ 0.00055657 = 30.1939 BTC [+] {3}

21:00

so yes, if I drop those into my patches dir with a full sync with V [v99997] it does indeed break my seal validation.

21:00

gonna have to rebake these

21:00

as i suspected

21:00

and its because of one line that i'm not being strict enough with my regex.

21:00

i have fixed it in my forthcoming v99996, and this shouldn't be a problem any more.

21:01

however, yeah, as you noted, your patches dont press out probably quite right because of the timestamps

21:01

but I have this for you to review:

21:01

http://dpaste.com/3ZRTB23.txt

21:01

... ( http://bit.ly/1JGtLjC )

21:01

ick

21:01

much barf

21:02

but, the good news is, other than those little hiccups, i think it would have been fine.

21:03

;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387144 >>>>>> ask and thou shall receive: http://imgur.com/a/TEptA

21:03

Logged on 27-01-2016 20:23:36; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag put a pic up ?

21:03

ads from volkicher beobachter - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGu0vb )

21:03

The operation succeeded.

21:03

so im highly tempted to actually just rename the seal files in the mirror for Programmable Version Strings and the Malleus Mikehearnificarum, but will resist. you should probably just re-post as annoying as that may seem.

21:04

mod6: just these ?

21:04

iirc there were many other mangled names

21:04

it's just those two sig files ya.

21:04

there are mangled names in just about every email for se

21:04

here's what I had to do to each:

21:04

mv asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.sig asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig

21:05

mv asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.sig asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig

21:05

fromthe emails:

21:05

Name: asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.sig

21:05

ah hm

21:06

1sec

21:06

Name: asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.sig

21:06

yup np. all of your others have been 100% accurate.

21:08

ok latest 2 should work

21:08

(i assume this is being eaten by a script somewhere..)

21:11

mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000195.html but other one got eaten for some reason

21:11

[BTC-dev] (repost for mod6) Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTUaHd )

21:11

*

mod6 looks

21:11

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE turdatron WON'T ACCEPT the naming convention

21:11

i am ~very~ tired of this.

21:11

yeah, you're right. it hosed it.

21:12

thought it was just a oversight or something.

21:18

changing the signature file name doesn't actually change the signature - but i was just hoping to get 'em both in the ML for posterity

21:18

maybe i should just fix the names in the V Mirror @ http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals

21:18

Index of /v/seals ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGvLbu )

21:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29584 @ 0.00055963 = 16.5561 BTC [+] {2}

21:25

well, we've got a well-named sig for malleus

21:26

you wanna roll the dice and see if you can get one through for PVS that isn't mangled? or should we wait for jurov?

21:26

in the mean time i'll update the mirror with the good sig from malleus

21:27

haha, it's like trying to get one through the golies legs.

21:27

*goalies

21:35

waitwhat

21:37

asciilifeform: did you submit the same clearsigned text twice?

21:38

if so, it was eaten as antispam protection (to prevent someone taking any existing clearsigned doc and repeatedly sending it $maxint times)

21:39

when reposting, you must change the text and clearsign again

21:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105900 @ 0.00055413 = 58.6824 BTC [-] {4}

21:41

i'm fully aware it's infuriating but i don't see a way how to prevent repeated posting of stuff that changes only by unsigned data (like, attachment names)

21:44

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387397 << unintentional fuzzing ftw.

21:44

Logged on 28-01-2016 02:00:27; mod6: and its because of one line that i'm not being strict enough with my regex.

21:46

asciilifeform dude looks so out of place in the desert the only thing that conjures up is "nigga gettin' killed".

21:46

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387434 << this is not so hot, we'll end up carrying water by hand for a few feet ?

21:46

Logged on 28-01-2016 02:18:38; mod6: maybe i should just fix the names in the V Mirror @ http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals

21:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123079 @ 0.00055373 = 68.1525 BTC [-] {2}

21:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00055052 = 26.0396 BTC [-]

22:04

mircea_popescu: yah, im more inclined to just wait until a new sig, properly named is sent.

22:05

jurov: the original emails -- either asciilifeform named them incorrectly or the email server munged the names.

22:05

http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000185.html

22:05

[BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdvdyY )

22:05

and

22:05

http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000191.html

22:05

[BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7GR40 )

22:06

they should have signatures that are named as follows:

22:06

asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig

22:06

asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig

22:06

but these didn't come through like that. it's missing the 'asciilifeform' between 'vpatch' and 'sig'.

22:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00055323 = 11.0923 BTC [+] {2}

22:07

im not sure what happend just now with the re-submits that alf did, one made it through ok, the other did not.

22:08

and again, i have no way of telling if they were named correctly in the first place or it was the ML. but... its certainly something that should be in a log file or something, you may wanna have a look.

22:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40728 @ 0.00056087 = 22.8431 BTC [+] {4}

22:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52472 @ 0.00056555 = 29.6755 BTC [+]

22:11

but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/37f673f75257029ea06509a30f710ac1/tumblr_nzhbkekKU81uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg

22:11