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07:20 punkman [HKmtg]To Everyone: We have CONSENSUS! In April we get SW, 3 months later, core HF code ready
07:22 punkman https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/700958953656561664
07:24 punkman https://twitter.com/snowden/status/700823383961792512 snowden join the apple circlejerk
07:27 punkman in other robo-lawyer news http://www.businessinsider.com/joshua-browder-bot-for-parking-tickets-2016-2
07:27 assbot Joshua Browder's Bot for parking tickets - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDCtBE )
07:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00056125 = 28.736 BTC [-]
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07:50 punkman aww http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35620368
07:50 assbot Italian writer Umberto Eco dies at 84 - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDE0aT )
07:56 mircea_popescu aww
08:09 fluffypony :(
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08:26 shinohai T_T
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09:18 asciilifeform eco!
09:18 asciilifeform who is even left, now, who was anything, culturally.
09:19 asciilifeform in other western civ nyooz,
09:19 asciilifeform http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35611906?post_id=1162541470438167_1353583394667306
09:19 assbot Sex with animals remains banned in Germany as legal bid fails - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr8EV6 )
09:20 mircea_popescu what's the jew's name
09:20 mircea_popescu chomsky
09:24 asciilifeform l0l, he's a...
09:24 asciilifeform sorta like zhirinovsky
09:24 asciilifeform pet opposition
09:24 asciilifeform https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnARobles/status/700938057105678336/photo/1 << wut
09:24 assbot Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOiCCl )
09:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25166 @ 0.00055787 = 14.0394 BTC [-] {2}
09:27 punkman want https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_garlic_%28food%29
09:27 assbot Black garlic (food) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr9uBt )
09:32 punkman http://anarchadia.com/2013/10/14/edward-snowden-is-mark-zuckerbergs-cousin/
09:32 assbot EDWARD SNOWDEN IS MARK ZUCKERBERG’S COUSIN - Anarchadia - Underground Anarchism Since 2010 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOjmam )
09:35 punkman I'm picturing a bum shouting "EDWARD SNOWDEN IS MARK ZUCKERBERG’S COUSIN" at people in a park
09:36 mircea_popescu i have like eight dozen cousins, and this is counting just the ones i shouldn't be fucking.
09:36 mircea_popescu what's such a bigdeal about cousinage ?
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10:05 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/usg-apple-001-009.pdf << part2 of crapple l0ltron
10:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuDGd8 )
10:05 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:07 shinohai ./Classic:0.11.2/985 nodes - (16.02%)
10:09 shinohai There is a Classic node running on "The Municipal Communications Utility of the City of Cedar Falls, Iowa" 24.149.8.238:8333
10:10 asciilifeform what happened to the other ~1000 ?
10:11 shinohai maybe they couldn't keep all the aws instances up.
10:11 asciilifeform aws went up a penny? sooo sad
10:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80953 @ 0.00055787 = 45.1613 BTC [-]
10:12 asciilifeform i still don't grasp why the ph0rkerz can't simply ask hitler for real machines / actual bandwidth
10:16 mircea_popescu shinohai> There is a Classic node running on "The Municipal Communications Utility of the City of Cedar Falls, Iowa" 24.149.8.238:8333 << write the boss and ask. sounds like a decent qntra piece.
10:16 mircea_popescu "classic running on stolen infrastructure - perpetrator reprimanded"
10:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because a) hitler doesn't have them and b) hitler is not stalin, to answer every ivanov dick and harry.
10:18 asciilifeform what, bot-herding directorate had hdd crash?
10:19 asciilifeform (b) i can see, but ph0rkatron is what if not ordered by the fuhrer?
10:21 mircea_popescu fuhrer orders many things, pays for few or none.
10:21 mircea_popescu what, turkey didn't get ordered to suicide ? what, you think anyone pays for it ?
10:22 asciilifeform it gets 'paid' in not-set-on-fire?
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10:23 mircea_popescu pfff.
10:23 mircea_popescu that is entirely in the derp's head. but i do mean entirely.
10:26 asciilifeform every fire is in the head until not, sorta how it works, or bag men would all have empty bags
10:26 asciilifeform and what, after syria usg is out of matches?
10:27 mircea_popescu yeah. meanwhile us army can't actually face turkish army, so there is that.
10:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00055945 = 18.7416 BTC [+]
10:28 asciilifeform usg can turn their - or any other nato bitchdom's - air defenses off with one button.
10:28 mircea_popescu notrly, the turks have a lot of russian stuff too.
10:29 mircea_popescu and apparently even the very little syria had was ample
10:29 asciilifeform ru will helpfully switch off the ru boxes
10:29 asciilifeform nobody loves the poor turkz.
10:29 mircea_popescu pretty sad really.
10:29 asciilifeform aha!
10:30 asciilifeform like last time.
10:30 asciilifeform in 1918
10:30 mircea_popescu or to quote http://trilema.com/2015/continut-platit-no-more/#selection-137.473-137.622
10:30 assbot Continut platit no more. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuGeI8 )
10:31 asciilifeform oh forfuxxsake
10:31 asciilifeform how do i view the thing??!
10:31 asciilifeform on what.
10:31 asciilifeform vax?
10:31 mircea_popescu don't tell me it magically doesn't work again ?
10:31 asciilifeform aha
10:32 mircea_popescu now how the fuck does this happen, it's not changed since when you said ti worked days ago ?!
10:32 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/ssbyP#selection-171.473-171.622 < does that work ?
10:32 assbot Continut platit no more. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuGt5Q )
10:33 asciilifeform ~this~ works.
10:33 mircea_popescu nuts.
10:34 asciilifeform the one that worked, worked on a crapple box.
10:34 asciilifeform 'chrome'
10:34 mircea_popescu and right now ?
10:35 asciilifeform the archive link works on 'chromium'
10:35 asciilifeform but not on crapple
10:35 mircea_popescu ...
10:35 asciilifeform i have nfi.
10:36 * mircea_popescu dreams of one day having a fucking html document presentation stack that allows this to work.
10:36 mircea_popescu it's the one innovation since a href that's worth having.
10:36 asciilifeform ted nelson described it in ~1970
10:36 asciilifeform !s transclusion
10:36 assbot 0 results for 'transclusion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=transclusion
10:36 asciilifeform hm.
10:37 asciilifeform !s xanadu
10:37 assbot 6 results for 'xanadu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xanadu
10:37 mircea_popescu good for him so where is it.
10:38 asciilifeform nowhere, he got openbsd'd.
10:38 asciilifeform (don't even bother looking at the thing that got 'released' a few yrs back.)
10:39 asciilifeform nelson is an interesting case of failed inventor, i have all of his published materials here and studied very carefull
10:39 asciilifeform y
10:39 asciilifeform at one point, after decades of futile crackpottery, he made phriends with some money fella and actually got funded, but turned out that this did not help
10:39 mircea_popescu aha ?
10:40 asciilifeform 'brogrammers' frittered away the funds, whole thing collapsed in a giant black hole of mismanagement, graft, and varied charlatanry
10:40 mircea_popescu it rarely helps.
10:41 mircea_popescu giving money / cunt / whatever to "engineer" minded idiots is a monumental waste.
10:41 asciilifeform he was not equipped to birth the thing with own hands
10:41 asciilifeform (not that anyone would have given money for that)
10:42 asciilifeform money is 'given' so that you can 'buy 200 mil of ads from arsebook, who gave it' as per mircea_popescu's article.
10:42 mircea_popescu but in other news, /me is looking forward to reinstated phyctor
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10:42 asciilifeform me too
10:52 asciilifeform ~6G occupied by trb on dulap after 40 days. nb.
11:01 mircea_popescu !rate gaxaro 1 Euloran
11:01 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/226e30cf1ca1875f
11:01 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gaxaro.1:d3988c802eaefea702616d83201ea61045b6ddd590ef3129643656c8b3dd2dd3
11:01 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for gaxaro with note: Euloran
11:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123277 @ 0.00056908 = 70.1545 BTC [+] {2}
11:12 BingoBoingo Someone gets it http://qntra.net/2016/02/fbi-iphone-circle-jerk-theater/#comment-46764
11:12 assbot FBI iPhone Circle Jerk Theater | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQG1Lp )
11:17 pete_dushenski https://c1.oliveoiltim.es/library/ucd-2010-report.pdf << costco is one of the few mega-corps who doesn't cheat on what they call 'extra virgin' olive oil.
11:19 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Or was better at not getting caught
11:19 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i8Xmi0Y20 << i can't tell if this is from 2008 (as listed as 'upload date') or 1977. white chalk on green blackboard and modest indian lecturer are timeless!
11:19 assbot Lecture 36 ROM-EPROM,EEPROM and Flash EPROM - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQGMEh )
11:19 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: like crapple
11:20 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: crapple or anyone else big enough to put on a show for the people
11:20 pete_dushenski 'lights, camera, craption!'
11:20 mircea_popescu lol
11:21 mircea_popescu in other news, the things yo ugotta do to get girl to tan without lines : http://41.media.tumblr.com/9a9f5cebcfbd61915ef997e9a9eade88/tumblr_mxrzq2yiwW1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
11:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQH0ez )
11:22 punkman she'd get tan lines from the chains tho
11:22 mircea_popescu there is no escape!11
11:23 punkman clear plastic chains!
11:23 mircea_popescu still block uv
11:24 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410670 << more like gets paid in "we iz ko-moo-nitee"
11:24 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 15:22:47; asciilifeform: it gets 'paid' in not-set-on-fire?
11:24 pete_dushenski feelings as currency - worth ~usd at this point
11:24 mircea_popescu payment in feelers!
11:24 mircea_popescu in which field eulora is again one step ahead - you can literally ask to be paid in feelings.
11:24 pete_dushenski dingdingding
11:26 mircea_popescu they're really cheap, too
11:26 pete_dushenski 'best price for you, my friend'
11:27 mircea_popescu lol
11:27 * BingoBoingo is just starting to confront the magnitude of crapple stockholm syndrome on that qntra's comments
11:27 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410727 << is today the big day ?
11:27 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 15:42:01; mircea_popescu: but in other news, /me is looking forward to reinstated phyctor
11:27 mircea_popescu *fingers crossed*
11:28 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: possibly.
11:28 asciilifeform likely to soak up all of tomorrow too.
11:30 pete_dushenski well, break a leg out there
11:31 asciilifeform in other nyooz,
11:31 asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/2016/02/nyt-usg-16-0219.pdf << preeeeeeet!
11:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQI02u )
11:31 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: if cupertino syndrome can happen to alf... what hope is there for the common man ?
11:32 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i don't crapple off the clock, normally
11:32 pete_dushenski iph0ne1`11!!!
11:33 pete_dushenski 'infinite loop syndrome' works too
11:33 pete_dushenski (apple's hq is located at #1 infinite loop in cupertino ca)
11:35 pete_dushenski looks like we'll hit block 400`000 this weekend eh
11:35 BingoBoingo We have synthesis apparently https://archive.is/gtO5a
11:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQIplj )
11:35 pete_dushenski ;;ticker
11:35 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.3, Best ask: 435.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 435.36, 24 hour volume: 23935.00095199, 24 hour low: 417.57, 24 hour high: 437.58, 24 hour vwap: None
11:36 pete_dushenski ^and liftoff
11:36 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: typical 'tree tweaks' (tm) (r)
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11:52 asciilifeform megatonnes of crapolade in blox for week+ now
11:54 mircea_popescu aha.
11:57 BingoBoingo Apparently code 3 months, trigger at least 1 year+ from now, but negotiations apparently ongoing
11:57 mircea_popescu they can "negotiate" until they fall over.
11:58 BingoBoingo Still, theater
11:59 mircea_popescu the unmitigated audacity of schmuckdom never fails to astound.
11:59 pete_dushenski no wonder the roman republic distrusted actors
12:00 pete_dushenski bbiab. farmer's market.
12:02 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
12:02 gribble BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2890.15, vol: 55196.55160000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2890.15
12:02 BingoBoingo !up micheieh
12:04 mircea_popescu anyway, situation reminds me of the time some derpy vc schmucks flew over to asia to "save mtgox consensus".
12:04 mircea_popescu i suppose the sort of vermin will die believing in their own relevancy.
12:12 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Apparently reddit is racis https://archive.is/MRvO0
12:12 assbot NO BLACKS ALLOWED IN THE BITCOIN SPACE! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SHGO7t )
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12:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00057184 = 34.7107 BTC [+] {2}
12:45 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.50000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b70
12:49 deedbot- [Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Rises Above 163 Billion - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-rises-above-163-billion/
12:49 punkman alphago bet back to even odds eh
12:52 asciilifeform need moar reddit coinz
12:52 BingoBoingo This is bullish for alf wallet
12:53 punkman any idea how many cpus/gpus alphago will use in the match?
12:53 asciilifeform maxint
12:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 266483 @ 0.00057215 = 152.4682 BTC [+] {5}
12:56 punkman has anyone done a computer-assisted human player go tournament?
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12:57 asciilifeform punkman: nope. isn't chess, computer doesn't help.
12:58 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1387284 btw all I've read said no handicap
12:58 assbot Logged on 27-01-2016 23:48:23; ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387121 << the sc4mz0rz neglect to mention that the wins were in handicap games
13:02 deedbot- [Qntra] Tampa Police Refuse To Work Plus Sized Star's Event After Insult - http://qntra.net/2016/02/tampa-police-refuse-to-work-plus-sized-stars-event-after-insult/
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13:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80477 @ 0.000573 = 46.1133 BTC [+] {2}
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13:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 14675 @ 0.00023316 = 3.4216 BTC [-]
13:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.00057339 = 47.9927 BTC [+]
13:48 asciilifeform http://visual6502.org/JSSim << in other oldies.
13:48 assbot Visual 6502 in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOMH4u )
13:49 asciilifeform http://visual6502.org/JSSim/expert.html << even better.
13:49 assbot Visual 6502 in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOMIFG )
13:52 BingoBoingo !t m s.qntr
13:52 assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00023316 / 0.00023536 / 0.0002676 (16150 shares, 3.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00023316 / 0.00040735 / 0.00049913 (54640 shares, 22.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00023316 / 0.00040332 / 0.00049913 (197184 shares, 79.53 BTC)
13:53 asciilifeform PHYSICAL simulation of the thing, based on photographed and ocr'd dies, with animation.
13:54 BingoBoingo holy shit
13:56 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: neat
13:56 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/letters-from-the-stupid-country/ << your girls?
13:56 assbot Letters from the stupid country on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mONzWN )
13:56 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: written in browsercrud even. imagine what could be done on an ~actual~ comp
14:00 ben_vulpes simulate a whole computer, shock, awe
14:01 asciilifeform was thinking re: how 'moore's law', even in its heyday, did not substantially affect the inflation-adjusted COST of having a chip baked
14:02 asciilifeform because, at least partly, the latter represents 'capital allocation', or as mircea_popescu's article put it, 'a thing we can't all be doing'
14:02 asciilifeform (the nre cost is what i'm speaking of)
14:03 ben_vulpes masks and shots were never terribly affected by moore's law itself
14:03 asciilifeform nor the meat labour
14:04 asciilifeform and if anything, the relevant tooling operations are now ~rarer~, more involved, costlier, the qualified folks - fewer.
14:04 ben_vulpes subject of meat labor, i was slamming the 27-year old baristas some staffer was browsing on tinder last night and someone made the hilarious comment that bunnies are just as hot-swappable as baristas
14:04 ben_vulpes "what it takes 6 months to train a barista from nothing, and 6 months to make a useful process tech!"
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14:05 asciilifeform it takes ~16 yrs. to make a process tech.
14:05 asciilifeform starting from zygote.
14:05 asciilifeform if you think '6 mo' it is because someone did this work for you, for phree
14:06 ben_vulpes i'm not even talking about the incubating
14:06 ben_vulpes i'm talking about attention to detail, understanding wtf is happening, why the suit is a necessary thing, why the sticky pads at each door...
14:06 mod6 email got snarffed
14:07 ben_vulpes but perhaps i only ever worked in environments of rarefied tech capabilities
14:07 ben_vulpes we were making probes
14:08 ben_vulpes and then there's the economic differences: barista can dream of what -- going on tour? owning their own coffee shop? writing a best selling memoir about...running a coffee shop and going on tour?
14:08 ben_vulpes process tech at least can hold out hope they'll move into mgmt if they go to night school and get that b.s.
14:12 mod6 both emails snarffed.
14:13 mod6 jurov: do you see any issues on your side? my signed email verifies, etc, everything looks good from my side. ^
14:13 mod6 anyway, im gonna move on until I know more re: ^
14:14 jurov yes it's likel, i updated glibc, then i said to myself might as well update whole system
14:15 jurov will check
14:16 mod6 ALL: the website has been updated with the newest V [v99995]
14:19 mod6 TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
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14:19 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOPSt7 )
14:19 jurov O.o postfix/smtpd[8072]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms... on it
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14:19 mod6 Once we have confirmation, we can update the wiki -- this needs to happen TODAY.
14:19 mod6 gernika, shinohai, ben_vulpes, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, hanbot, et. al. ^
14:20 ben_vulpes aha
14:20 ben_vulpes mod6: i was actually looking for tha
14:20 ben_vulpes man fuck weechat's half-assed implementation of emacs/readline input controls
14:21 ben_vulpes oh thank god
14:21 ben_vulpes it's the weekend
14:21 ben_vulpes i can close xcode
14:21 phf you know what has non hasl-assed implementation of emacs/readline input controls? erc :]
14:21 ben_vulpes phf: no bullllyyyyyy
14:21 phf b-a is ma safe space
14:22 ben_vulpes phf: i actually don't want irc in emacs
14:22 mod6 thanks jurov
14:22 ben_vulpes very distracting when it comes to getting work done.
14:22 ben_vulpes smpt SASL << wut
14:22 phf yeah, i agree actually
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14:23 ben_vulpes phf: i tried for a very long time with erc in a seperate emacs instance running on a server as a bouncer, and the *constant* muscle memory confusion over the subtle differences between emacs-in-terminal and emacs-with-gui drove me up a wall
14:23 phf i was thinking of maybe disabling all chat notifications.. something i wanted to look into. i spend workweek twitch checking irc
14:31 jurov mod6 looks like it's fixed, my test email went through.... check whether your email was queued
14:31 jurov whether it needs to be resent
14:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00057339 = 15.6249 BTC [+]
14:36 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410851 <<< on it
14:36 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:00; mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
14:38 mod6 thanks shinohai
14:38 mod6 jurov: ok thanks, i'll hvae to resend later.
14:39 jurov about a monh ago one dude offered to do the web submission form... was not heard since :(
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14:40 pete_dushenski mod6: what are the differences between 99995 and 99996_2 ?
14:40 mod6 it's in the email that was snarffed.
14:41 mod6 but, instead, I'll just give you some links that outline the changes in the beta emails
14:41 * pete_dushenski goes to blackhole in outer space where snarfs live to read
14:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00056927 = 52.8283 BTC [-] {2}
14:41 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html
14:41 assbot [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1nOoTzm )
14:41 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000210.html
14:41 assbot [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 2 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1oqqg7a )
14:41 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000211.html
14:41 assbot [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 3 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xs3JTm )
14:41 mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000212.html
14:41 assbot [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 4 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tnh3YL )
14:42 mod6 pete_dushenski: if you want an actual vdiff of the changes, refer to BETA 4 email, the latest is contained.
14:43 pete_dushenski aha. cheers!
14:43 mod6 actually.
14:44 mod6 99996_2 is not a V release -- it is a 'build-bitcoind' script version.
14:45 mod6 and the difference between 99996_2 and 99995 build scripts is nothing more than updating the SHA512 for V-20160220.tar.gz and the name of the tarball.
14:51 mod6 but yah, anyway, the differences between V [v99996] and [v99995] are outlined in the above emails, and ya, the last one [beta 4] has a complete vdiff between the too.
14:51 mod6 s/too/two
14:52 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410853 << wai wut where was this ??
14:52 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:15; jurov: O.o postfix/smtpd[8072]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms... on it
14:53 jurov on a mail server
14:53 pete_dushenski mod6: cool :D
14:54 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410851 << this builds ancient ver
14:54 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:00; mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
14:55 asciilifeform i mean wut, no malleus ?
14:55 asciilifeform no verstring
14:55 asciilifeform etc
14:56 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405198
14:56 assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 23:22:01; mod6: oh, because the leaf ordering is different. if you want a press of "all" patches as they exist in the mirror, currently, you need to press up through asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch
14:56 asciilifeform hm
14:56 asciilifeform why ?
14:57 asciilifeform imho the scripts such as this should make it ~clear what will be pressed~
14:57 asciilifeform from reading with naked eye.
14:58 jurov mod6: trying under gentoo, v.pl complains "/.wot directory does not exist."
15:00 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i agree. but user can 'read tin' on which there is a label, or just check 'patches' folder once built
15:00 asciilifeform no good
15:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54837 @ 0.00057339 = 31.443 BTC [+]
15:00 asciilifeform for one thing, no label
15:01 pete_dushenski on mailing list ? but ya, i'm stretching mod6's position, one i don't totally grok myself
15:01 asciilifeform for other, we have a number of these sh floating around and this is maddening
15:03 asciilifeform but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.
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15:04 asciilifeform gotta nail down the workingset used.
15:05 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410879 << this is urgently needed
15:05 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 19:39:11; jurov: about a monh ago one dude offered to do the web submission form... was not heard since :(
15:06 asciilifeform i have maybe a dozen things i ought to sign
15:06 asciilifeform but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.
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15:06 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: in my admittedly meagre understanding of v, the working set is determined by the .wot set, no ? and isn't this about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-02-2016#1404304 ?
15:06 assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 02:06:58; mircea_popescu: trust people, not code.
15:07 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: you still have to specify the patch set
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15:07 asciilifeform it has to come from somewhere.
15:07 asciilifeform and right now the situation is ridiculous.
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15:07 phf i have an untested uploader, takes a vpatch and a seal, lets through only a valid vpatch/seal combination. i don't think this exhaustively covers what we need though, and is also written for cmucl/araneida which is not giving me best of reliability.. http://btcbase.org/upload
15:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1rIqB )
15:08 asciilifeform where do i put a patch so that everybody ~immediately~ sees it ?
15:08 phf ^-
15:09 asciilifeform that arm looks familiar...
15:12 phf oh shit, scratch that, i just checked the code it's not actually saving it anywhere :)
15:12 asciilifeform lol
15:13 asciilifeform ideally patch hopper oughta deedbot also.
15:13 asciilifeform and work in channel.
15:14 phf much wip
15:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00056711 = 34.6504 BTC [-] {3}
15:14 asciilifeform ?
15:15 ben_vulpes pressing to a head should simply recurse to the root of that head
15:15 ben_vulpes i have always said this.
15:15 ben_vulpes one thing and one thing only.
15:16 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: breaks parallel leaves
15:16 asciilifeform ergo useless.
15:16 jurov asciilifeform: i know! but haven't i asked like thousand time what is deedbot going to do with attachments?
15:16 ben_vulpes explain the use of parallel leaves?
15:17 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: do you want the motherfuckng db lock fix omitted from your build?!
15:17 asciilifeform think for a minute.
15:17 ben_vulpes ah shit that has no descendents?
15:17 asciilifeform while looking at the graph
15:18 asciilifeform jurov: nfi
15:18 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: ok ok
15:18 asciilifeform but this must be made to work.
15:19 ben_vulpes press an explicit set of leaves?
15:19 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: that would work
15:19 ben_vulpes ugh mod6 does this thing actually kill my terminal session when it dies?
15:19 asciilifeform i intended this originally
15:20 phf have a list of patches that are to be pressed made manually?
15:20 * phf ducks
15:20 asciilifeform phf: you don't need vtron for this, go use bare hands
15:21 phf therein lies the joke
15:21 BingoBoingo !b 2
15:21 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TY12GN.txt )
15:21 asciilifeform hey if you recall, this was actually goodenuff for me
15:22 asciilifeform i wrote v because mircea_popescu and hanbot cried
15:23 ben_vulpes mod6: didja run off?
15:23 asciilifeform and threatened to take up cvs or whatnot savagery
15:23 ben_vulpes savagery lol
15:24 ben_vulpes french toast is what shall be delivered, bbl
15:24 ben_vulpes mod6: script does not work for me, complains about mismatched hashes
15:24 ben_vulpes also murdered my terminal session
15:24 phf mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain?
15:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70582 @ 0.00057339 = 40.471 BTC [+]
15:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23585 @ 0.00057355 = 13.5272 BTC [+]
15:29 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
15:29 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 441.0, vol: 10280.57093863 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 436.85, vol: 9604.34192 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 443.5, vol: 42088.37363383 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 3.10639532 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 449.785266, vol: 60682.98270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 440.38, vol: 1025.55959755 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 440.855667, vol: 92.03321959 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
15:29 BingoBoingo ;;more
15:29 gribble 445.829871266
15:30 BingoBoingo ^ Spread is suspicously tight. Where did the China premium go?
15:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00057325 = 23.5606 BTC [-]
15:41 deedbot- [Qntra] Chainalysis Partners With Only Possible Customer - http://qntra.net/2016/02/chainalysis-partners-with-only-possible-customer/
15:41 ben_vulpes mod6: i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
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15:42 ben_vulpes previous hash mismatches appear to be something wacky with this gentoo vm on my macbook
15:42 * ben_vulpes throws up hands in disgust
15:45 ben_vulpes going to have fun running that the fuck down.
15:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54769 @ 0.00056887 = 31.1564 BTC [-]
15:50 phf favorite gpgme error, "err-no-error"
15:59 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: do you have buildroot dood's dsa sig in your gpg keyring ?
15:59 pete_dushenski *dsa key
16:00 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2016#1390869
16:00 assbot Logged on 31-01-2016 07:13:38; assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:43:08; phf: gpg: key 59C36319: public key "Peter Korsgaard <jacmet@uclibc.org>" imported
16:08 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: i'd expect an entirely different error should that have been the case
16:10 ben_vulpes and yes i have it in my keychain
16:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19472 @ 0.00056897 = 11.079 BTC [+] {2}
16:10 ben_vulpes that's right, that part of the build scripts runs with the user gpg keychain
16:10 ben_vulpes STATE
16:10 ben_vulpes AUGH
16:11 pete_dushenski lol
16:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.0005686 = 25.9282 BTC [-] {2}
16:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410806 << computer assisted dating, also.
16:20 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 17:56:45; punkman: has anyone done a computer-assisted human player go tournament?
16:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00056646 = 52.5108 BTC [-] {3}
16:23 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410834 << starbux barrista probably takes one week on on the workplace.
16:23 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 19:04:49; ben_vulpes: "what it takes 6 months to train a barista from nothing, and 6 months to make a useful process tech!"
16:23 mircea_popescu what "train"
16:24 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: no i did not go into each idiocy in depth
16:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410869 << stop trying to resist the lure of the b-a commissariat!
16:26 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 19:22:54; phf: yeah, i agree actually
16:29 mod6 ok did a build on my gentoo with 'build-bitcoind-V99995.sh' and looks fine: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4889056 Feb 20 21:24 bitcoind
16:29 mod6 ben_vulpes, shinohai, jurov
16:30 mod6 let's get some pastes and see what's goin on here.
16:30 ben_vulpes just dumb shit mod6
16:30 mod6 <+phf> mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain? << not until i finally get this thing working.
16:30 mod6 ben_vulpes: are you saying that it doesn't work? or that it was just that you didn't have whatever rando guys' key in your keyring?
16:31 ben_vulpes no, just that i keep seeing that error.
16:31 ben_vulpes and that i suspect gpg means to convey that it is not actually checking the sig.
16:31 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: http://45.media.tumblr.com/d94a622dacfd972d5214c5bc590c8d46/tumblr_nnwbfyaOd41tpspkgo1_500.gif
16:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/20M9dbF )
16:31 jurov mod6: http://dpaste.com/3W7EQM4
16:31 assbot dpaste: 3W7EQM4: V99995 ... ( http://bit.ly/20M9dZd )
16:32 mod6 ben_vulpes: ok. lemme check on mine.
16:32 mod6 ugh. im so tired of this fucking shit.
16:32 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes aha ?
16:33 ben_vulpes mod6: i don't think the file hashing mismatch is worth digging into
16:33 ben_vulpes i suspect it has to do with mounting a filesystem into a vm
16:33 mod6 mine doesn't do that at all.
16:34 ben_vulpes blows up on the .gitignore which iirc is an empty file
16:34 mod6 i have not seen that in the MONTH of testing that i've been doing.
16:34 ben_vulpes mod6: well you're not trying to mount a fs from a mac into a gentoo vm i don't think
16:34 mod6 shinohai: you saw something similar too right?
16:34 mircea_popescu mod6 love computers yet ? :D
16:34 mod6 i hate computers. yes.
16:34 mod6 kill them all.
16:34 mircea_popescu :)))
16:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99316 @ 0.00057126 = 56.7353 BTC [+] {2}
16:35 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How to be a pimp – a simple yet understandable and still exhaustive guide, translated. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/20/how-to-be-a-pimp-a-simple-yet-understandable-and-still-exhaustive-guide-translated/
16:35 mod6 these godddam fucking cocksuckers are going to give ole mod6 a heart attack.
16:35 pete_dushenski ;;later tell gabrielradio my turn on your turn is live. thanks for the assist :)
16:35 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:36 jurov let's come play eulora instead and watch few bitcents of stuff go *poof* !
16:36 mod6 <+jurov> mod6: trying under gentoo, v.pl complains "/.wot directory does not exist." << create your .wot in the same dir that you place the build script, create a log of your findings, and see what happens plz.
16:36 mircea_popescu jurov noob just turned 1 adze + 30 threads into 40k.
16:36 mod6 <+asciilifeform> but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified. << ok but how should this work
16:37 ben_vulpes mod6: see the rest of the thread. provide an explicit list of leaves to press.
16:37 jurov mod6 did "cp -rp ~/.wot ." , same result
16:37 mod6 i can't do this.
16:38 mircea_popescu uh
16:38 mod6 this is too much work for one guy.
16:38 jurov it insists on having .wot in /
16:38 mod6 we need someone to maintain a V that makes sense.
16:38 mircea_popescu mod6 take it easy for a second, will you ? nopanic!
16:38 pete_dushenski mod6: breathe !
16:38 mod6 jurov: the changes to V look for .wot and .seals in the pwd.
16:38 jurov mircea_popescu: why are you telling me that?
16:38 mod6 is your pwd / ?
16:38 mircea_popescu i thought maybe you wanted to know where your cents went!
16:39 jurov mod6 see the paste - no it is not.
16:39 * mod6 looks
16:39 mod6 why in the world do I work on shit for a month, post betas all the way, and then we hit these issues now?
16:40 pete_dushenski mod6: fwiw i'm endlessly appreciative of the work you've done thus far. you make noobing trb possible :)
16:40 mod6 jurov:
16:40 mod6 ok, so first, get rid of this crud
16:40 mircea_popescu mod6 it's seriously how it happens. same thing with eulora and everything else.
16:40 mod6 "LC_ALL=C LANG=C"
16:40 mod6 then place .wot in "/data/juro/btc/V99995"
16:41 mod6 if it is, then there might be some sort of issue. i'll have to dig in to that. can you try maybe just clearing everything and trying again?
16:41 shinohai mod6 the .gitignore comes from not removing the old directory
16:42 mod6 what old dir?
16:42 mod6 please start clean on this.
16:42 jurov mod6 i have somalian locales, but with or without them it's the same result
16:42 mod6 new build dir, the whole 9
16:42 jurov cleaned up eveything, there is now only .wot and build-bitcoind-V99995.sh, same result
16:42 shinohai if you have a rotor dir and try to run script it fails.
16:42 mod6 yup
16:42 mod6 ok clean.
16:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410922 << would we do me the favour and quote me when we agree with me like this as i have nfi what this is. also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410930 <<< what stupid shit is this! specify THE PATCH SET ? fu! you mean specify the wot and the genesis ?
16:42 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 20:03:57; asciilifeform: but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.
16:42 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:06; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you still have to specify the patch set
16:43 ben_vulpes mod6: testing cycle in #b-a is slow as sin
16:43 mircea_popescu i ain't specifying no list of patches wtf.
16:44 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes really ? i thought it was pretty fast for an actual test cycle ?
16:44 mod6 ben_vulpes: yah, and when you're testing in production, this can't be a thing.
16:44 mod6 this is the worst of all worlds.
16:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410927 << if you send them to me ima mail them o.O
16:44 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 20:06:20; asciilifeform: but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.
16:44 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: only if "actual test cycles" only means "#b-a test cycles"
16:45 ben_vulpes and yes, things are getting faster.
16:45 mircea_popescu mod6 im telling you , dunno if you read that log or not : you need a separate testing genesis.
16:45 mod6 until we finally get a test branch and so on and so forth, this stuff has to be ~perfect~ or we've got zip
16:45 BingoBoingo Oh, the urls that lead spam nowadays http://dpaste.com/0NXTYK4.txt
16:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/20MaK1D )
16:45 mircea_popescu the pointer in that convo is currently at http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2016#1408041 but do read the prev.
16:45 assbot Logged on 17-02-2016 05:22:12; mircea_popescu: punkman well, let's see what the others say. i faintly dislike the idea on morale grounds, but it's not the end of the world
16:45 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: not a list of patches a list of *leaves*
16:45 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no fucking list of anything. genesis item and wot.
16:45 mircea_popescu wtf!
16:45 ben_vulpes "i want everything necessary for malleus and db locks"
16:46 mircea_popescu i never said that.
16:46 ben_vulpes did i say that you did?!
16:46 mircea_popescu who are you quoting then ? or what is that ?
16:46 phf asciilifeform said that
16:46 ben_vulpes what one might say to a V implementation.
16:46 mircea_popescu one who is broken in the head may say that.
16:47 mircea_popescu the only sane thing to say to V is "i want the bitcoin as these gentlement think it is best "
16:47 ben_vulpes then press to a release patch, fin.
16:48 ben_vulpes what you and i need from V diverge.
16:48 mircea_popescu does what i and you need from a hammer also diverge ?
16:48 ben_vulpes unless you expect it to be only and ever a release tool and not a tool for people actually working on the thing to use in their workflow.
16:49 mircea_popescu it seems somewhat improbable that you'll be using your penis for both making children and doing your plumbing.
16:49 ben_vulpes you - want to sink nails. i want to pull them out occasionally.
16:49 mircea_popescu but in this i may be wrong.
16:49 ben_vulpes perhaps i am laboring under the misapprehension that v should be useful for something other than putting software on mircea_popescu's box
16:50 mircea_popescu should bitcoin also be useful for something more other than ~dependably~ keeping track of moneyz ?
16:50 mircea_popescu perhaps... to help african children ? or other groups dear to our hearts ?
16:50 ben_vulpes *i* want to press specified patch sets without doing so by hand.
16:50 mircea_popescu good! fine!
16:50 mircea_popescu and you want emacs to i dunno what ! who's keepin ya!
16:51 ben_vulpes you will get a release patch and you will press to it. there is your hammer.
16:51 ben_vulpes there is the "bitcoin as these gentlemen"
16:51 mircea_popescu i don't like you enough to prefer you over the exactly equivalent windows release process just because your name is ben vulpes not bill gates.
16:52 mircea_popescu the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
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16:52 mod6 jurov: this is what i'm seeing on my gentoo fwiw: http://dpaste.com/37164CX.txt
16:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIg6LM )
16:52 mircea_popescu the idea is exctly NOT to have coder comfort and sanity at the expense of "this is the user's script"
16:52 mod6 im not sure why yours is saying that.
16:52 jurov mod6 `pwd` returns nothing on my machine /o\
16:52 mod6 then your machine is hosed.
16:53 mircea_popescu jurov that's a new one ?!
16:53 ben_vulpes how is this "user's script" not precisely the windows release?
16:53 mod6 ok, i haven't eaten in like nearly 2 days. so im gonn walk away and get a bite.
16:53 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that's what i said.
16:54 * mircea_popescu realises that the enthusiastic approval was merely intellectual, and code monkey habits will die fucking hard in the best intended of people. o brother, what we have before us.
16:54 ben_vulpes try like i'm five, the windows comparison is shorting me out
16:56 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i've been sitting here trying to get this in saner terms.
16:57 mircea_popescu let's use this angle : do you understand what i mean in that ancient article about how coherence in the wot is the worst attack on the wot ?
16:57 mircea_popescu which is why things such as "official best policy for X" never even got to the discussion phase, as i've always torpedoed it ?
16:57 ben_vulpes from 'how the wot is attacked'?
16:57 mircea_popescu yes.
16:59 ben_vulpes so bear with me: how is 'v' not groupthink incarnate?
17:00 mircea_popescu your v apparently is. hence my windoes comment.
17:00 mircea_popescu but V itself is not, at all.
17:00 * ben_vulpes is hit by a particularly unpleasant revelatory wave
17:00 mircea_popescu hence it's not as much what we "want" from our tools per se. merely what we expect them to be
17:01 mircea_popescu ie, it's easy to pick on alf about his enamourement with the mental-usg, mostly because he's so "naively" open and upfront about it.
17:01 mircea_popescu but the insanity is found in all heads.
17:01 mircea_popescu and subtle - which is to say just subtle enough to avoid detection by the head it sits in.
17:03 ben_vulpes i should simply expect misery from you every time i bring up the topic of how a v might work then?
17:03 mircea_popescu in any case - v, as any new coin, has to get diversely seeded so it may survive, which is the scary step before us right now.
17:03 mircea_popescu mno, ideally we'll discuss this to the point we are happily getting it
17:05 mircea_popescu but understand that in any perspective, there's something fundamentally broken with telling V "press me this list of nodes". conceivably it may be useful as a graph-debugging tool, but it is not a v-ism.
17:05 mircea_popescu it is in fact the llvm-ing of the v.
17:05 * ben_vulpes fully adrift now, without even a sun to tell east from west
17:05 mircea_popescu ;/
17:07 ben_vulpes the turning of a compiler which should simply ingest code and shit elfs into a developer-centric tool?
17:07 ben_vulpes 'code monkey' excuse me
17:08 mircea_popescu mno. the enveloping of a tool which by its functioning and nature guarantees a free world into a sufficient wall so as to be safely operated by the opposite.
17:09 mircea_popescu i understand that the pressure to say "oh it's the weekend can turn xcode off" EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WEEK is well driven psychologically.
17:09 ben_vulpes i am not well versed enough in the history of gcc and llvm to understand this.
17:09 mircea_popescu do understand that it is simply not acceptable in new things.
17:09 BingoBoingo More "history rhymes" https://archive.is/5ya5Q
17:09 assbot And as for actual WordPress pingbacks .... you should probably switch 'em off • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIiemI )
17:10 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well i dunno how to better approach this. how about you construct syllogisms and we see where it takes us ?
17:14 mod6 alright gentlemen.
17:14 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo note how they STILL WON'T FIX THE MOTHERFUCKING HOLE. instead, how about to destroy more of the interconnected nature of the web ? "automattic got usg's back - turn off other people and only talk to disqus!!1"
17:14 mircea_popescu asswipes.
17:14 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yup
17:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101610 @ 0.00056522 = 57.432 BTC [-] {2}
17:14 mod6 I'm gonna eat something, probably overly hangry here.
17:14 mircea_popescu really mod6 no reason to get worked up.
17:15 mod6 if you encounter any issues, let's do what jurov did and dpaste 'em, we'll get through this one step at a time tonight.
17:15 mircea_popescu you're doing very well in everyone's estimation, your deadline is self imposed, not the end of the world.
17:15 mod6 thanks mircea_popescu. I'm doing my best -- I need to get us in a non-disjointed situation, hence the self-imposed deadline here.
17:16 mircea_popescu yeah but simmer down atlas. we want you to live longer than the road there.
17:17 mod6 Ok. Will do, Sir.
17:17 mod6 Thanks for everyone taking the time, I know it's not pain-free with some of this stuff yet.
17:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410932 << ridiculous is not a reason to go back to the fucking insane asylum!
17:18 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:44; asciilifeform: and right now the situation is ridiculous.
17:18 ben_vulpes thanks mod6, no need to kill yourself driving at 90mph
17:19 mircea_popescu actually ben_vulpes it occurs to me, maybe the following description of final state is helpful :
17:20 ben_vulpes i'm still trying to cook up a syllogism over here
17:20 mircea_popescu moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
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17:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68650 @ 0.00056839 = 39.02 BTC [+]
17:21 mircea_popescu he decides he wants to add three lines of code to bitcoin. what HE does, in republican world, is write those lines of code, sign them, add his own sig in the wot and voila.
17:21 mircea_popescu the girl, upon visiting, notices this, likes the functionality, and either a) signs herself or b) imports his sig in her wot.
17:21 mircea_popescu depends how good the fucking was. a) is more discrete.
17:22 mircea_popescu people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
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17:22 mircea_popescu or maybe phf rebases it into a change of his and signs that.
17:22 mircea_popescu CONTRARY to this sane process, in the empire alt-universe, may it piss in its own eyes,
17:23 mircea_popescu guy tries to find the "source of power" by doing inane wikipedia-level shit, then tries to make friends with the people and put his fucking code in, to FORCE it upon the fucking userbase.
17:23 mircea_popescu now : list of nodes necessarily maintains some sort of portion of alt-universe.
17:23 mircea_popescu and i really don't want any of it to survive.
17:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00056839 = 8.9521 BTC [+]
17:25 mircea_popescu the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.
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17:26 mircea_popescu and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.
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17:31 ben_vulpes strictly a release tool for the free world, then.
17:31 ben_vulpes old habits do die hard.
17:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00057355 = 24.0031 BTC [+]
17:33 mircea_popescu it hastabe. there's nothing wroing with you running anything you wish, to help in any manner you choose, and even distribute it on its own v line
17:33 mircea_popescu but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
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17:34 ben_vulpes heh
17:34 ben_vulpes i think that i understand the windows comment now
17:36 ben_vulpes ;;later tell mod6 b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer
17:36 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:40 jurov mod6 i have rebuilt my perl, now it fails to verify against 59C36319
17:41 jurov which is Peter Korsgaard uclibc pubkey
17:41 jurov when i imported it into my gpg keyring and reran, it goes
17:42 ben_vulpes jurov: yes, this script uses the user keyring
17:43 ben_vulpes how this came to be i do not know
17:45 phf "i, ordained computron mircea lifeform, in the year of our republic 1932, having devoted three months to the verification of checksums, with my heart pure and my press clean, sit down to transcribe vee patch ascii_limits_hack, signed by the illustrious asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and all saints."
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17:47 jurov !b 1
17:47 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07F6FE7.txt )
17:48 mircea_popescu lol
17:49 mircea_popescu point taken, but it is unavoidable.
17:49 mircea_popescu laugh if you will, laugh if you must, do what must be done and not an iota less.
17:49 mircea_popescu the zombie world entirely exists out of that iota less.
17:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117576 @ 0.00057027 = 67.0501 BTC [-] {3}
17:56 BingoBoingo HARD FORK SEGWIT https://archive.is/KMCyW
17:56 assbot Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReMx1c )
17:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52222 @ 0.00056455 = 29.4819 BTC [-]
18:02 mircea_popescu alrighty then, for the n-th fucking time, this blabla.
18:02 mircea_popescu Kevin Pan, Anatoly Legkodymov, Larry Salibra, Leonhard Weese, Cory Fields, Johnson Lau, Matt Corallo, Peter Todd, Kang Xie,
18:02 mircea_popescu Phil Potter, Valery Vavilov, Alex Petrov, Jihan Wu, Micree Zhan, James Hilliard, Yoshi Goto, Alex Shultz, Bobby Lee, Samson Mow, Robin Yao, Obi Nwosu, Mark Lamb, Wang Chun, Marco Streng, Marco Krohn, Wu Gang, Adam Back, Jack Liao, Jack Liu and Guy Corem are to be negrated on sight.
18:02 mircea_popescu nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.
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18:02 mircea_popescu and with that... see you on judgement day, derps.
18:03 mircea_popescu buncha posturing fucktards.
18:04 BingoBoingo EMBARGO! which spelled backwards is O GRAB ME
18:04 mircea_popescu lol
18:04 mircea_popescu no idea who the fuck uses any of that crap anyway, but w/e.
18:05 mircea_popescu i will get around to bricking antpool/f2pool out of business before i'm done with this life, though.
18:05 * BingoBoingo can't wait for halving
18:08 mircea_popescu are any of those schmucks in the wot even ?
18:10 mircea_popescu http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=adam+back&fingerprint=on&op=index << random example. not a single proper key in sight. fucktard.
18:10 assbot Search results for 'back adam' ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReNIxR )
18:10 BingoBoingo I dunno.
18:11 BingoBoingo Caught one https://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=BlueMatt&sign=ANY&type=RECV
18:11 assbot Rating Details for User 'BlueMatt' ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReNM0g )
18:12 mircea_popescu !rated bluematt
18:12 assbot You rated user bluematt on 06-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: one of the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful..
18:12 mircea_popescu !rate bluematt -1 historically respectable bitcoin tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort to break bitcoin.
18:12 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/76abf47d30748581
18:13 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.bluematt.-1:e5351e13fcfcf737a1944692afd5b18ff3da8f9f5ab758e6dc9ab246f4ecbbe1
18:13 assbot Successfully updated the rating for bluematt from 1 to -1 with note: historically respectable bitcoin tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort to break bitcoin.
18:13 mircea_popescu !rated petertodd
18:13 assbot You rated user petertodd on 01-May-2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: the gift cert expert..
18:14 mircea_popescu !rate petertodd -1 random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
18:14 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2d1905c7d032edcd
18:14 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.petertodd.-1:6215861df810e25c971f9be4c49a19e89ca1076647faa992dc03014663b0e207
18:14 assbot Successfully updated the rating for petertodd from 2 to -1 with note: random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
18:16 mircea_popescu !rated pgp
18:16 assbot You have not rated pgp.
18:17 mircea_popescu !rate pgp -1 random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
18:17 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3cbb0937dd091ce6
18:17 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.pgp.-1:03a52b052a85fd5c2db64a8c3c246194af63db19e1c77048045f7077602e6f15
18:17 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for pgp with note: random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
18:18 BingoBoingo !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.bluematt.-1:f55911525410a89ff1abb6645bfa7c0129b365c610a03b0f1df6b5f406605ce3
18:18 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for bluematt with note: joined coup attempt
18:19 BingoBoingo !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.petertodd.-1:b32d91457d6e7248c0ec9c9637bc394334bf33bbcdd0db0c776e16937f70f509
18:19 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for petertodd with note: joined coup attempt
18:19 mircea_popescu "Bobby Lee (n. San Diego, California, 17 de septiembre de 1972), es un actor y comediante estadounidense". mkay.
18:24 jurov mod6 it did compiled!
18:25 BingoBoingo Luke-Jr: "Because the cost of increasing the limit is lower than the benefits of peace/not constant fighting and showing that Bitcoin can in fact do a hardfork." https://archive.is/u1Dv9
18:25 assbot Final Version - Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReORVX )
18:26 mats lol
18:26 mircea_popescu obviously. what's bum with a reputation of bfl shilling/fraud got to lose ? costs 0 for him.
18:26 mircea_popescu at least chinese twerps pay for a meal.
18:27 mircea_popescu ~same as "what does it cost wesley snipes to advertise gasoline saving magnets. already convicted felon anyway."
18:27 mircea_popescu the costs go to the idiots BUYING. it'd better not cost the "actor, cantante y comediante estadounidense" jack shit, that's the fucking point of advertising to consumers.
18:29 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411204 << this is what i said all along
18:29 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 22:33:29; mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
18:29 mircea_popescu ok!
18:30 asciilifeform NO to ANY networking code in v!
18:30 mircea_popescu as long as it works fine without, i see no problem with it being there, but either way.
18:30 mircea_popescu eventually you'll have gossipd and will want gossipd-based networking
18:31 asciilifeform and when i said 'patch set' it means that - like it or not - you gotta get them somewhere.
18:31 mircea_popescu for now curl - after victory, gossipd!
18:31 asciilifeform for now local disk
18:31 mircea_popescu or that.
18:32 asciilifeform the central repository thing is ultra-broken
18:32 ben_vulpes ahaha phil went derp?
18:32 BingoBoingo Who's phil?
18:32 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i suppose he just ended up in the wrong "have a catered lunch on us" line.
18:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's a point.
18:33 asciilifeform to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch
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18:33 mircea_popescu against what you have.
18:34 asciilifeform did this, and mod6 had to redo it all
18:34 mircea_popescu of course. this is intentional and by design.
18:34 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411199 << this is dwim.
18:34 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 22:26:08; mircea_popescu: and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.
18:34 asciilifeform sorry.
18:34 mircea_popescu huh ?
18:35 asciilifeform we know that mircea_popescu likes beating, but you will not make a horse fly by extra-strong beating
18:35 mircea_popescu be specific!
18:36 ben_vulpes wow and world trade financial group is no longer even a thing
18:36 ben_vulpes https://web.archive.org/web/20120831151958/http://wtfg.com/about-us
18:36 assbot World Trade Financial Group | About Us ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIrAPr )
18:36 asciilifeform nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times.
18:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ...
18:37 asciilifeform and there is not nor cannot be a guarantee that you can go from names to build automagically
18:37 mircea_popescu "nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times." relates to " this is dwim." how ? other than "this stuff bothers me immensely"
18:37 asciilifeform the patch set must physically come from somewhere.
18:37 asciilifeform say - where !
18:38 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes wait, were you at c1 and i forget ?!
18:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not specified where.
18:38 mircea_popescu none of your business personally where either.
18:38 mircea_popescu if i find it in a fucking bottle in the east river, my problem.
18:38 mircea_popescu discussing code provenance is like discussing bitcoin taint.
18:38 mircea_popescu is it signed or isn't it ?
18:39 asciilifeform patches depend on previous patches.
18:39 mircea_popescu only in some worlds.
18:39 phf ben_vulpes: i went derp, or that's some other phil?
18:39 mircea_popescu in other worlds - different bitcoin entirely runs, or same runs under different name or w/e.
18:39 mircea_popescu phf no afaik that's the phil potter in question.
18:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nobody stops mircea_popescu from living in a private universe.
18:40 mircea_popescu all universes must be private in this sense.
18:40 phf ah, word. the juxtaposition of ascii's comment about central repo..
18:40 asciilifeform on the other hand, a bunch of folks here are trying to trb
18:40 mircea_popescu the delusion of "shared" universe is quintessential to the problem of "poetteringization"
18:40 ben_vulpes "Phil Potter \n Chief Strategy Officer \n Bitfinex"
18:40 asciilifeform and can't entirely move to separate planets
18:40 ben_vulpes dag
18:41 mircea_popescu i dun get what you mean asciilifeform
18:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207300 @ 0.00057355 = 118.8969 BTC [+]
18:41 mircea_popescu can you be specific ?
18:41 ben_vulpes phf: no, pgp.
18:41 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes if you recall the mjr guy or what's his name was here trying to mealy mouthedly take the temperature re bitfinex last time they did a scam cycle.
18:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411288
18:41 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 23:33:14; asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch
18:42 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: lol no i do not
18:42 mircea_popescu you don't "release" a patch.
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18:42 mircea_popescu fucking sign whatever you want to run, if people like it they'll run it and if not whatevs.
18:42 mircea_popescu this whole "we are developers herp" thing is prb not trb.
18:42 ben_vulpes but aha i do recall that mjr and pgp were in the same room a few times
18:42 mircea_popescu and i would very much like it be the case that some folks here actually want to specifically trbn
18:42 mircea_popescu rather than "let's try prb with better people, it'll work this time"
18:43 mircea_popescu it didn't work for prb, it didn't work for anything, including scbl and xml/html.
18:43 asciilifeform its a people difference though
18:43 asciilifeform not machine
18:43 mircea_popescu o brother.
18:43 mircea_popescu good people in specific circumstances produce usg no matter what they individually may choose.
18:43 mircea_popescu take them out of that swamp already.
18:43 asciilifeform i see no evidence for this.
18:43 asciilifeform their ~children~ usg, yes
18:44 mircea_popescu sigh.
18:44 * asciilifeform brb
~ 19 minutes ~
19:04 deedbot- [Qntra] Khmer Rouge Leader Pleas Social Justice In Court - http://qntra.net/2016/02/khmer-rouge-leader-pleas-social-justice-in-court/
19:07 * pete_dushenski immediately thought of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-01-2016#1378005 only to realise that he was racialistically lumping all the s.e. asian 20th century massacres together
19:07 assbot Logged on 20-01-2016 01:24:01; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ever see film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2375605 ?
19:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81400 @ 0.00057322 = 46.6601 BTC [-]
19:07 pete_dushenski for shame.
19:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71550 @ 0.00056821 = 40.6554 BTC [-] {2}
19:09 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Gotta keep them straight. What if you must leave America's hat for the malarial side of the ocean?
19:10 pete_dushenski america's hat's pretty enormous. there's always another corner of desolate tundra with satellite internet to set up camp in.
19:11 BingoBoingo I guess you just have to stay one step ahead of the sandminers?
19:12 pete_dushenski sandniggers too.
19:17 * mod6 reads
19:18 mod6 <ben_vulpes> b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer << ok cool!
19:18 mod6 <+jurov> mod6 it did compiled! << wonderful!
19:31 ben_vulpes that sweet song of "clean socks for you! clean shirts for you!"
19:34 mod6 nice
19:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00056275 = 29.1505 BTC [-] {3}
19:36 phf asciilifeform: around?
19:36 asciilifeform aha
19:36 asciilifeform just in.
19:37 phf i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge."
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19:37 phf i take it the combination of the two is what one uses to press shiva?
19:38 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << this and this only.
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19:38 assbot [BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P )
19:38 asciilifeform please throw out the old crud.
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19:38 asciilifeform afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud.
19:38 asciilifeform the pedigree bridge isn't for pressing either.
19:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32841 @ 0.0005596 = 18.3778 BTC [-]
19:39 asciilifeform it exists to ~demonstrate~ that shiva-tinyscheme was created from the tinyscheme-genesis
19:39 asciilifeform you can in fact do this, by pressing the latter, and then the former
19:39 asciilifeform but this is unfortunately not a vtronic operation, because we have idiot diff and not a turing-complete vtron.
19:41 phf but none of these patches contain code that actually touches the bitcoin source
19:41 asciilifeform only shiva-part-2
19:41 asciilifeform which necessarily does
19:41 asciilifeform the split was deliberate
19:41 phf ooh, so shiva part 2 is the btc tree thing, where's the tinyscheme genesis is where you get the tinyscheme dependency?
19:42 asciilifeform in same link.
19:42 asciilifeform or rather, that link ~is~ tinyscheme-genesis
19:42 phf right
19:43 asciilifeform the bridge, if applied, will turn the tinyscheme into the contents of the shiva subdir in shiva-part-1
19:43 asciilifeform (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED)
19:43 asciilifeform and MUST DIE
19:43 asciilifeform currenly shiva is http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html ~~AND~~ http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000202.html .
19:43 assbot [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6qPP )
19:43 assbot [BTC-dev] Shiva bug fix. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pq7ven )
19:44 asciilifeform ^^ the only things you need to actually build it ^^
19:47 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411228 << sooo we have the long-awaited miner usgization ?
19:47 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 23:02:29; mircea_popescu: nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.
19:49 mircea_popescu whatever this is.
19:49 mircea_popescu odds are it's like last time "they lied about me agreeing", etc.
19:49 mircea_popescu but whatevs it may be.
19:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33883 @ 0.0005596 = 18.9609 BTC [-]
19:53 asciilifeform so i reread the mega-thread,
19:55 asciilifeform and tentatively conclude that mircea_popescu wants everybody to have own vtree
19:55 deedbot- [Trilema] Valmont - http://trilema.com/2016/valmont/
19:55 asciilifeform and hand-backport whenever these are to converge.
19:55 asciilifeform which is sorta like what we did before v.
19:55 asciilifeform now, this makes life very easy for mircea_popescu, or so he thinks, because he can go 'i want a mod6 tree'
19:56 asciilifeform except - 1) he still have to get the actual contents of that thing somewhere
19:56 asciilifeform 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree.
19:57 asciilifeform but i see what he wants in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411191 say.
19:57 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 22:22:12; mircea_popescu: people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
19:57 asciilifeform for there to not be any such thing as could resemble an 'update throne'
19:57 asciilifeform that a derp could one day sit down on.
19:58 asciilifeform but i say that the proposed method of achieving this, is rather primitive and by no means reliable.
19:58 asciilifeform it is quite the same as 'we will abolish indoor spaces! no palaces, so there can be no thrones'
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100650 @ 0.0005663 = 56.9981 BTC [+] {2}
20:06 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411126 << does mircea_popescu fully understand that there is NO MACHINE MERGING in v ?
20:06 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 21:52:20; mircea_popescu: the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
20:07 asciilifeform that is, if we end up in the position where every developer has own tree, and mircea_popescu is not content to go, e.g., 'gimme what mod6 has' - then ~mircea_popescu~ will have to 'toil and trouble' and hand-merge ?
20:07 asciilifeform the machine - will not do it !
20:08 asciilifeform and yes, this is mega-decentralized and entirely unlike what gavin does and etc. etc.
20:08 asciilifeform why not we also hang upside-down while doing it.
20:08 asciilifeform will be even more ungavin.
20:17 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2016/valmont/#comment-116588
20:17 assbot Valmont on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRuXhe )
20:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah.
20:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is a defensible perspective but it leaves me wondering wtf you were doing when founded a trb foundation ! a throne omg!!1111111
20:20 BingoBoingo so, Inversion tables join "edgerouter lite" on TMSR shopping list?
20:20 mircea_popescu a throne what ?
20:20 asciilifeform see thread
20:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ??
20:21 mircea_popescu i am but i dun follow.
20:21 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: For hanging upside down
20:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a centralized thing! that an idiot one day could get to the wheel of !
20:21 mircea_popescu the foundation ?
20:21 asciilifeform aha
20:21 mircea_popescu it's just a convenience. it's not a fucking usg tendril.
20:21 asciilifeform vs every man with own manually-curated tree
20:21 asciilifeform aha, convenience.
20:21 mircea_popescu right.
20:21 asciilifeform but ~what~ does it make convenient ?
20:22 asciilifeform as i understand, it is a thing that mircea_popescu considers sinful ?
20:22 asciilifeform that is, folks agreeing to work on a same tree
20:22 mircea_popescu principally atm, that mod6 is running like a mad dog trying to keep on top of everyone's patches.
20:22 mircea_popescu i don't see folks agreeing to anything. i see mod6 putting in a lot of blood.
20:22 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 462 @ 0.00254173 = 1.1743 BTC [+] {2}
20:22 mircea_popescu this is as it should be, incidentally, tho the original design was for there to be 2 people who then add more.
20:23 asciilifeform iirc he was mainly bleeding to get his vtron up to par ?
20:23 asciilifeform (which is a mighty spiffy thing!)
20:23 mircea_popescu well, without getting into the nitty details.
20:23 mircea_popescu but the point remains : having a trb foundation on the solid foundation of a v environment IS a convenience.
20:24 mircea_popescu having a centralising pos a la vessenes faux foundation on top of the broken process non-v, is a disaster.
20:24 mircea_popescu a disaster ot which naggum's lifeless body doth attest.
20:24 asciilifeform i don't see prb or the xml circus as 'good people, good intentions, bad tool'
20:24 mircea_popescu bad ~environment~.
20:25 asciilifeform i see it as imbeciles setting out to do evil things and succeeding.
20:25 mircea_popescu this is your privilege, as a believer in animism.
20:25 asciilifeform and the few intelligent, honest folk, along for the ride
20:25 mircea_popescu nevertheless, reality contains no divine manifestation.
20:25 asciilifeform because there was no other ride.
20:26 mircea_popescu the fact remains that in all attempts of building things atop non-v environments (specifically : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411198 ) result in the same thing.
20:26 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 22:25:16; mircea_popescu: the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.
20:26 mircea_popescu you choose to view this as a sign of the omnipotence of usg.
20:26 mircea_popescu it is not, but merely the necessary result of trying to keep milk in reed baskets.
20:27 asciilifeform actually it is the omnipotence of regression-to-the-mean
20:27 mircea_popescu whatever you call the deity today.
20:27 asciilifeform this one has demonstrable teeth.
20:27 asciilifeform witness nick-2 vs peter-1
20:27 mircea_popescu they all have demonstrable teeth.
20:27 asciilifeform or the hapsburgs, etc.
20:28 asciilifeform lulzy how this is the exact inverse of the lisp machine thread !
20:28 asciilifeform holy shit.
20:28 mircea_popescu :)
20:28 mircea_popescu the face of alf when he becomes privy to the evil matroshka mp, whereby he only argues things one way for the ease of arguing other things later.
20:29 asciilifeform quite.
20:30 asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/2016/02/usg-apple-edny-026-027.pdf >>> http://dpaste.com/3ACY3QB.txt << moar lulz
20:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRw54h )
20:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRw54n )
20:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree. << in general it's to be expected you'd see a lot of replication of code.
20:34 mircea_popescu much like dna works, actually.
20:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu doesn't seem to give the least damn about sweat, so long as it is not off his own back. 'who cares how many zeks it takes to build belomor canal' ?
20:37 mircea_popescu trust that it is the right approach.
20:37 asciilifeform whereas he ought to understand that he is squandering a ~finite~ resource.
20:37 mircea_popescu if you wish to care about sweat you'll end up with the maggots on the meat.
20:37 asciilifeform we have ddt for this.
20:37 mircea_popescu similarly moscow university teacher does not care about candle burn.
20:37 mircea_popescu "who cares how many nights student has to stay up until x clicks in his head"
20:37 asciilifeform this is different.
20:37 mircea_popescu if it is you'll have to show it.
20:37 asciilifeform this is making the student peel potatoes 18 hr. a day.
20:38 asciilifeform the work that goes into 'regrinding' is idiot waste.
20:38 mircea_popescu but in any case, what i expect in practice is - a lot of cross signing, of people who know each other ; and a ready spot for corporate investment. "make me a mod6+alf patch" is a job.
20:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> the work that goes into 'regrinding' is idiot waste. << it is NOT waste. not anymore than the work that goes into brushing teeth is idiot waste.
20:38 mircea_popescu "why should i talk to the woman ebfore fucking her!!11"
20:39 mircea_popescu reading the fucking code is not time wasted, keeping you from time you could have "better" spend writing more code.
20:39 asciilifeform one of these things is not like the other.
20:39 mircea_popescu ACTUAL thousand eyes, mandated, by design.
20:40 BingoBoingo Where the good lord split, not even Blockstream has internal consensus on HKGOXMTG https://archive.is/9PdE7
20:40 assbot maaku7 comments on We have CONSENSUS! In April we get SW, 3 months later, core HF code ready ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRwNP5 )
20:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: say we do things precisely as you described. and tomorrow i publish a patch. now everyone who wants to test it, cannot apply it at all unless he is willing to use my tree wholesale. instead he has to MANUALLY merge it in, line by line. and then i end up back-and-forth-ing over his typos for the next month, instead of doing ANYTHING else
20:42 mircea_popescu READ IT
20:42 mircea_popescu he has to READ IT
20:42 mircea_popescu it is not YOUR fucking patch.
20:42 asciilifeform and then write it.
20:42 mircea_popescu the very concept of "my" patch has to go.
20:43 mircea_popescu anf if "doing ANYTHING else" stands for "write more code", best outcome possible.
20:43 asciilifeform i am reminded of the german fella who proclaimed 'the tank will be 200 tonnes and fuck you'
20:43 mircea_popescu but the notion that code can be owned is so idiotic as not to be able to stand. it's fucking code!
20:43 asciilifeform built 'maus', which not one bridge in europe could hold.
20:44 mircea_popescu which was not terribly relevant : it could ford in places nobody knew there was a ford before.
20:44 asciilifeform well sure. but did not get far.
20:44 mircea_popescu mostly because russian mud.
20:45 asciilifeform did it even make it that far east ?
20:45 mircea_popescu iirc the soviets captured the prototype facility
20:46 mircea_popescu iirc was also a locomotive type engine lol
20:46 asciilifeform anyone recall 'landkreuzer' ?
20:46 asciilifeform would have been, a what, 1500 tonne !
20:51 mircea_popescu was thgat the tank-submarine ?
20:52 asciilifeform the one with the naval cannon
20:52 mircea_popescu the thing with emplaced coastal artillery battery ?
20:52 mircea_popescu aha
20:53 asciilifeform my point was that mircea_popescu is asking 'the tank must be 1,000 tonnes! because fuckyou' but from where comes the engine ?
20:54 asciilifeform the fuel ?
20:54 mircea_popescu are you proposing that "software must progress" ?
20:54 asciilifeform not exactly
20:54 mircea_popescu but ?
20:54 asciilifeform well, take, for instance, 'shiva'
20:54 asciilifeform does mircea_popescu want it to be finished, and replace the idiot rpc ?
20:54 asciilifeform or waste of time ?
20:54 mircea_popescu i see no problem with SOME software must progress. it does not follow that all must, or all should. bitcoin provably shouldn't.
20:54 mircea_popescu i do want it to be finished.
20:54 asciilifeform in bitcoin 'progress' just means something very different.
20:55 mircea_popescu if it's finished before i die or after, i don't care. so long as it's finished right
20:55 mircea_popescu and ONLY then.
20:55 asciilifeform it means to cut out the scar tissue and replace with prosthesis.
20:55 mircea_popescu i do not want it finished otherwise, at all.
20:55 asciilifeform i don't see the manual monk-copying as being automagically a thing of correctness-making.
20:56 mircea_popescu and in other interludes, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3b4fae10722803dac39d2d562407d9a0/tumblr_mkh2jfIHgw1r6qz9zo1_1280.jpg
20:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRxVlF )
20:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you don't, do you ?
20:56 asciilifeform (or, conversely, its absence, a ticket to prb damnation)
20:56 mircea_popescu how do you suppose webstack became a thing ?
20:56 mircea_popescu if not "relief from the antiquated chains of monk copying"
20:56 asciilifeform from inferior people.
20:57 BingoBoingo ;;google object 279
20:57 gribble Object 279 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_279>; Object 279 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es4Hy9VNDAc>; Object 279 Soviet Havy Tank [HD]-2014 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjgNWD5DrNA>
20:57 asciilifeform who, yes, had an easier time getting and staying in.
20:57 mircea_popescu your trust in people is misplaced.
20:57 mircea_popescu look no further than yourself : are you a bad person for living in dc ?
20:58 asciilifeform machine is not a pill against retardation.
20:58 asciilifeform and yes, i am.
20:58 mircea_popescu people will do what they see around them.
20:58 mircea_popescu i don't actually believe so.
20:58 asciilifeform i burn in this hell because too weak to escape it, and ergo it is the correct place.
20:58 asciilifeform it is made up of all such who are.
20:58 asciilifeform and nobody else.
20:59 mircea_popescu machine is not a pill against retardation. nevertheless, system is a method for limiting expression of retardation.
20:59 mircea_popescu which is why the same proteins make dog and dog vomit.
20:59 asciilifeform overall i agree with this, and personally i have introduced many tortures, as the folks reading have felt on own skins.
20:59 mircea_popescu there isn't "better" carbon to make man or beast.
20:59 asciilifeform but machine can also be fooled, in the long run, by 'exam takers.'
20:59 shinohai ;;later tell mod6 Done: f400ba5417274972a8a0da799d916983987156f949955d2bb9c6a4f146be2b31 bitcoind
20:59 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is why the v is so important. does away with any exam.
21:00 asciilifeform the manual merging thing is quite exam.
21:00 mircea_popescu do tell ?
21:01 asciilifeform it is gruntwork and the ability to do it does not correlate with anything higher.
21:01 asciilifeform peeling potatoes.
21:01 mircea_popescu this is a fantasm. that you'd like it be true, i believe you. that it is, i do not believe you.
21:01 asciilifeform likewise, it is very easy to 'cheat' by applying fuzzy-diff.
21:01 mircea_popescu what you get when you take toil out of painting is warhol. he is not an artist
21:01 asciilifeform and then recrunching the hashes.
21:01 mircea_popescu he is an american.
21:01 mircea_popescu what you get when you take toil out of psychologi is lacan. he is not a psychiatrist,
21:01 mircea_popescu he is an american.
21:02 asciilifeform no, it is what you get when you take out the talent, and leave ~only~ the toil.
21:02 mircea_popescu plox - the world has had enough americans. forever.
21:02 asciilifeform the talentless wretch who is very good at sweat, and paints, paints - this is warhol.
21:02 mircea_popescu i dun think you're familiar with the fellow ?
21:02 asciilifeform lightly familiar
21:02 mircea_popescu quite opposite of historical item.
21:02 asciilifeform to the extent my stomach permitted.
21:02 mircea_popescu your stomach misled you, methinks.
21:02 asciilifeform but perhaps i was thinking of pollack
21:02 mircea_popescu a different fellow.
21:03 mircea_popescu no, warhol is a talentless dali. just as lazy.
21:03 asciilifeform ick
21:03 mircea_popescu to this day the only way to become a carpenter is to carpent. the only way to become a whoremonger is to fuck.
21:04 mircea_popescu you can't be a clinician without treating people, which yes, peeliong potatoes.
21:04 mircea_popescu the deep secret here being that the potatoes are objectionable FOR BEING POTATOES, whereas their absence is objectionable universally.
21:04 mircea_popescu or, as tlp very well put it, "
21:05 mircea_popescu hmmm where's that article about boring family life, and hating the boring structure but nevertheless benefitting from it
21:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's soliders painted quite a lot of grass fields green, and snowmen - white, didn't they.
21:05 asciilifeform back in the day.
21:05 asciilifeform *soldiers
21:05 asciilifeform structure!1111
21:06 mircea_popescu But why do we need "the balance?" What does it replace, what went missing? The very thing Holden Caufield hated: "phoniness", protocol and ritual for seemingly no purpose. Politeness is fine, but why do I have to make small talk? Why do I have to pretend to care about the weather? Why, after a decade of marriage, should dinner be a regular review of the somewhat boring goings-ons of "the day"? Because that formal
21:06 mircea_popescu ity is freeing, it allows self-conscious physical bodies to get used to standing next to each other without having to be acting, this includes husbands and wives. When dinner is a controlled process with "manners" and expected topics of shared conversation and start and end times, as boring as it may get, it is boring, not you. Women are especially sensitive to this absence of convention, this is one reason for the p
21:06 mircea_popescu opularity of Downton Abbey, not to mention alcohol and iphones at dinner. It is against this background of "phony" convention that teens can productively "rebel" and find their own individuality against a status quo; fighting against an emotionally illogical, arbitrary, unpredictable structure results in learning the opposite lesson, "whatever gets me through the day..." Without this structure to social activities, w
21:06 mircea_popescu hen the "natural" conversation stops being interesting-- and it will, even if most of you weren't bad at it-- it would be a judgment about your relationship, about you. And you'll beg St. Jobs to blink a path to safety because otherwise you have to sit there with no existential support.
21:06 mircea_popescu Texting and social media's slowness gives them their power for this purpose. You read a text, and it lingers, it keeps your attention because it's all there is; and then you respond with a piece of your real self, and wait for a response... what's happening is time travel-- while you are on pause, the rest of not-your life goes faster. It is far more efficient at killing time than a phone call.
21:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so they did. and women beaten for cutting cabbage wrongly. and on it goes.
21:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0005686 = 3.4116 BTC [+]
21:06 asciilifeform the cabbage makes sense though !
21:06 asciilifeform correctly cut cabbage is USEFUL
21:07 mircea_popescu everything makes sense, my dear alf, as long as the cane doesn't cut into one's own buttocks.
21:07 asciilifeform even then it makes sense.
21:07 asciilifeform if the cane is because forgot to put the firing pin in the kalash on reassembly
21:07 mircea_popescu well now that we understand the positions in theory, a negotiation for functional practice may begin.
21:07 asciilifeform and not because missed a spot of green pain when painting motherfucking grass.
21:07 asciilifeform *paint
21:09 * asciilifeform ~knows~ that the pin does not normally come out! does not need correction on subj
21:09 asciilifeform rhetorical example. imagine we were american grunts. their pin - comes out.
21:10 mircea_popescu aha ?
21:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00056939 = 25.6795 BTC [+]
21:14 mircea_popescu (and for the record i will point out that tlp is anglotard enough to miss most of the substance. there's perfecty good reason everyone painted the same god damned vase with two apples next to it, and this has little do to with "you're not boring son ok" and a lot of fucking things to do with ... damn, where's that thread about ther ancient battlefield ?
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21:15 mircea_popescu the one where new people see the same ravines and tend to build the same bridge long dead people saw and built ?
21:15 mircea_popescu there's a depth acquired from "boring" narrowness of subject.
21:16 asciilifeform i don't recall this
21:16 asciilifeform (but would like to!)
21:16 asciilifeform was it the intellectual-curiosity thread..?
21:16 mircea_popescu yeah, you even commented on it at some point
21:16 asciilifeform the one with the planar groups
21:17 mircea_popescu damn we're not even a decade in can't find shit in the logs ;/
21:17 asciilifeform l0lz
21:17 mircea_popescu meanwhile in further "ceos agree to consensus" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/78e51e7943aeb41817550b062441658a/tumblr_mw86rci4tK1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
21:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzk5be )
21:18 asciilifeform interesting!
21:18 asciilifeform only one looks visibly displeased
21:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42470 @ 0.0005686 = 24.1484 BTC [-]
21:18 asciilifeform the one on the left hand side : 'snore, noose'
21:18 asciilifeform the one on right hand: 'is this ALL THE NOOSE you could SPARE!?!!'
21:20 mircea_popescu lol
21:20 mircea_popescu and the one in the middle is all like "Shit, i really got the worst boobjob in the world"
21:20 asciilifeform aha!
21:21 mircea_popescu well i can't fucking find it.
21:21 phf went to have dinner, come back, mother of logs
21:22 jurov the v theory is fine, but in practice i'm afrain it will drive everyone attempting it insane
21:22 jurov like mod6
21:22 mircea_popescu insanity would be an improvement for you people.
21:24 jurov improvement toward what?
21:24 mircea_popescu i rest my case.
21:25 asciilifeform related >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-11-2015#1319115
21:25 assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 02:32:19; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfpq5dKnYJs << interesting sport - fake hanging
21:28 mod6 i don't think V is driving me insane. at least, I hope not. i think re-grinding is a pain, but i don't see a way around this.
21:28 mod6 shinohai: cool! thanks!
21:29 mircea_popescu i will be off to do things with slutty girls now, bbl.
21:29 mod6 enjoy!
21:29 shinohai >.>
21:30 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410987 << me too. and i get a weird error when trying to get his key >> http://danielpbarron.com/59C36319.txt
21:30 assbot Logged on 20-02-2016 20:41:35; ben_vulpes: mod6: i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
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21:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNnV8 )
21:30 hanbot mod6 ftr i'm not at all set up for proper testing atm, much as i wish i could offer something. will heads up when i'm able.
21:31 mod6 hanbot: no worries,. thanks!
21:31 phf i split patches into patchsets http://btcbase.org/patches, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental (and http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=deprecated for historical) to minimize confusion. there's a little menu that lets you select
21:31 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfi )
21:31 assbot trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfo )
21:31 assbot trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfq )
21:31 mod6 danielpbarron: did you put this key 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319 in your gpg keyring?
21:31 mod6 along with the other 3?
21:32 danielpbarron when i try to get it, it gives the error linked above
21:32 asciilifeform phf: why is shiva 'deprecated' ?
21:32 mod6 how are you trying to 'get it' ?
21:33 asciilifeform oh nm
21:33 mod6 oh
21:33 mod6 didnt see the paste /me looks
21:33 asciilifeform phf: very spiffy
21:33 danielpbarron i get the same error when i do the same thing with the long key id you just showed
21:33 phf asciilifeform: should be better called "disabled", but really makes no difference
21:33 phf also release ought to be stable
21:34 danielpbarron regardless, the script ended with a bitcoind in rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/
21:34 mod6 danielpbarron: try `gpg --recv-key0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319`
21:34 mod6 ok, well it should pull that key.
21:34 mod6 that command should ^^^
21:34 mod6 goddamn lag
21:34 danielpbarron yeah same error
21:35 mod6 i dunno then.
21:35 phf so without the two broken patches experimental almost presses cleanly. something wrong with polar's patches..
21:35 mod6 gab the key from the fhe keyserver andimport manually?
21:35 * asciilifeform bbl
21:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00056654 = 8.6397 BTC [-]
21:36 mod6 and ALL: do not run this script 2x, ever. if something goes wrong, just please, start again fresh dir blow everything away except your .wot dir & contents and script.
21:36 danielpbarron well i got a bitcoind out of it, and when i run it against my already mostly complete .bitcoin directory i got black holed; trying again now with -connect=173.73.235.152
21:36 phf i'm going to try and keep main patches view the same as what mod6 is releasing
21:36 mod6 blackholed?
21:36 mod6 o.O
21:37 danielpbarron can't get a new block, just bastards and transactions that appear to be invalid
21:37 danielpbarron but that's not necessarily the fault of your thing; i had a power outage take this machine down without properly shutting down
21:38 mod6 ah. ok
21:39 mod6 well,let us know how it goes. thanks for building.
21:40 danielpbarron gonna try a few more times to get it to continue building on the blocks i already had, and failing that I'll try it with an empty .bitcoin directory
21:41 mod6 alright, cool
21:44 danielpbarron oh also, in getinfo I get this >> "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
21:45 mod6 o.O
21:45 mod6 something is wrong. i dont know what.
21:57 shinohai seems to be running fine here
22:05 mod6 ok cool
22:14 BingoBoingo Slowed Dissent https://archive.is/6cuOR
22:14 assbot The Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus Proposal — Too Little, Too Late — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1mPxnVx )
22:16 phf ok so http://btcbase.org/upload now works. takes seal and vpatch and saves it to uploads patchset http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=uploads. uploads patchset inherits from experimental, which in turn inherits from stable. those who'd like to upload a patch are welcome to give it a try and let me know if it doesn't work.
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22:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1rIqB )
22:17 BingoBoingo <danielpbarron> oh also, in getinfo I get this >> "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." << The hard shutdown may have left your blockchain copy corrupted at the end. Gotta get a UPS.
22:19 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: This problem happened with quantrill this week. Was unresponsive so I ordered a reboot, after reboot... holy fucksticks the disappoint.
22:20 BingoBoingo powercycling a bitcoin node is something of a gamble
22:20 BingoBoingo I dunno what insanity possessed me to order that reboot, when the same problem is why I got batteries and UPSs for local machines
22:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60630 @ 0.00056719 = 34.3887 BTC [+] {3}
22:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10620 @ 0.00057275 = 6.0826 BTC [+]
22:35 ben_vulpes phf: btcbase keeps getting niftier
22:36 ben_vulpes but when i click the dropdown some js takes over and doesn't let me select anything
22:36 ben_vulpes oh interesting
22:36 ben_vulpes does not work when tabbing to the dropdown and hitting the spacebar
22:36 phf bah, that's what i get for sprinkling some jquery on that bitch
22:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00056358 = 22.7686 BTC [-] {2}
22:37 phf (i killed the js)
22:39 ben_vulpes much better
22:39 ben_vulpes can has submit onSelect ?
22:39 ben_vulpes or would that be horrendously dumb
22:40 mod6 also, re: regrind, this is for sure: when doing this task, it forces you to read and understand the patch that needs regrinding. nothing wrong with this as far as I can tell.
22:43 phf ben_vulpes: i'm not quite sure what to attach and where
22:43 phf $('#patchset-select select').on('select', function() { alert('foo') }) doesn't do what i think it should
22:44 phf oh, there's "change"
22:44 ben_vulpes ah yeah change
22:45 ben_vulpes ah jesus fuck javascript
22:46 phf i already have jquery there because i wanted to add jumping from hunk to hunk on patch page by j/k
22:46 phf (it works now by the way)
22:46 phf err, both jumping from hunk to hunk and the on change
22:46 ben_vulpes nifty phf
22:47 ben_vulpes how are you shipping to this thing? hacking directly on the running lisp image?
22:47 phf rsync/asdf/screen
22:48 phf very boring :)
22:48 ben_vulpes i appreciate boring
22:50 ben_vulpes so does that mean no parenscript? :P
22:52 phf alexandria cffi flexi-streams net-telent-date trivial-features usocket araneida cl-irc gpg-error rfc2388 trivial-gray-streams v babel defservice gpgme split-sequence uiop
22:53 ben_vulpes just snarking phf
22:54 gernika mod6 I'm stuck on the pgp issue ben_vulpes encountered. http://dpaste.com/2X6BDH8
22:54 assbot dpaste: 2X6BDH8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsLi0y )
22:54 phf :)
22:54 gernika I have manually imported that pubkey, to no avail.
22:54 ben_vulpes gernika does your script go so far as to exit at that point?!
22:54 mod6 *sigh*
22:54 gernika ben_vulpes: yes
22:54 ben_vulpes mine sailed through merrily
22:55 ben_vulpes "what verification error?!:
22:55 mod6 the thing that bothers me, is this: all that is different about the build script itself is the version of V.
22:55 phf so i tried installing parenscript it pulls in all kinds of retarded. i don't even. anaphora, named-readtables.
22:55 mod6 so why didnt we have this trouble a few weeks ago?
22:55 ben_vulpes mod6: are you even certain there was a 'we' running this a few weeks ago?
22:56 ben_vulpes and not just a 'you' and a very sleep deprived and useless me?
22:56 mod6 ummm. yes?
22:56 mod6 we all went through this with V99996
22:56 mod6 back around the 28th.
22:57 mod6 gernika: do you have this fine somewhere in your build env? buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign ?
22:57 mod6 s/fine/file
22:57 gernika mod6 I have that fine file in rotor :)
22:58 ben_vulpes (girl hands me child, i place child on floor, "you know precisely what i do when you hand him to me, you could just save us the fifteen seconds and put him on the floor yourself")
23:00 mod6 gernika: what happens if you're in the rotor dir and you do `gpg --verify buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign` ?
23:01 gernika mod6: the exact same message as in the dpaste.
23:01 gernika ok interesting
23:02 mod6 what does this say `gpg --fingerprint 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319` ?
23:02 gernika same for previous version of the file
23:03 ben_vulpes mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246638 << this has been a known issue since august 2015
23:03 assbot Logged on 21-08-2015 02:24:26; danielpbarron: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
23:03 ben_vulpes waitwait hang on
23:03 mod6 ben_vulpes: can you identify why this is an issue?
23:05 BingoBoingo In other news Jeb quit.
23:05 mod6 gernika: <+mod6> what does this say `gpg --fingerprint 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319` ?
23:06 phf i proposed a solution to that problem. have a set of gpg commands that work with .wot. so something like vgpg verify file, will 1) tmp=mktemp -d gpgxxxx 2) gpg --homedir $tmp --import wot/*.asc 3) gpg --homedir $tmp --verify 4) rm -rf $tmp, so that no foundation operations ever work with ~/.gnupg and always work with ~/.wot
23:07 ben_vulpes mod6: because gpg says the signature isn't actually verified!
23:07 ben_vulpes unless it's lying and it is verifying the signature anyways
23:07 mod6 it does for me
23:07 gernika mod6: http://dpaste.com/3XAZ46P
23:07 assbot dpaste: 3XAZ46P ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsMa5e )
23:07 mod6 http://dpaste.com/1J5910T.txt
23:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsMaCa )
23:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.0005633 = 13.7727 BTC [-]
23:08 ben_vulpes phf: you'll note that's more or less exactly what my v does
23:08 mod6 well, im fuckin stumped. this is crazy
23:08 BingoBoingo Nevar forget https://archive.is/dKz2d
23:08 assbot Sad Jeb Bush Is Just Sitting Up At Night, Waiting To Chat About Football With You ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsMroS )
23:09 phf ben_vulpes: that's what all v's do, but we also have this auxiliary operations before the press that require calling gpg --verify
23:09 phf *these
23:10 mod6 i disagree, totally, that V should contain any functionallity to validate anything outside of the V tree, contained in the patches dir.
23:10 ben_vulpes yeah the v-wrapping build scripts don't isolate themselves from the user keyring.
23:11 ben_vulpes mod6: nobody's saying that buildroot should be v-verified, but that not isolating buildscripts from the user gpg keyring is...not great.
23:11 mod6 ok perhaps
23:11 ben_vulpes if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well
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23:11 phf mod6: that's not what i'm proposing
23:11 mod6 but this problem isn't realted to that.
23:12 ben_vulpes sure, no.
23:12 mod6 for some reason, this guys friggin thing apparently wont verify, except for me. i seem to be the only one who has a gpg & his key that'll verify this damn thing
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23:13 ben_vulpes gernika: gpg version?
23:13 gernika ben_vulpes: 1.4.19
23:15 ben_vulpes mod6: mine *does* verify the signature, but not in the build-bitcoin-v999o*.sh context
23:15 ben_vulpes v9999**
23:15 mod6 well fuck.
23:15 mod6 gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26 << both of my goddamn gentoo's have this installed.
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23:16 ben_vulpes oh yeah
23:16 mod6 what a goatfucking pile of shit
23:16 ben_vulpes mod6: =app-crypt/gnupg-1.4.19
23:16 ben_vulpes emerge --ask =app-crypt/gnupg-1.4.19
23:17 gernika mod6 - seems the build-bitcoind-V99995.sh script exits for me when attempting to download boost: http://dpaste.com/3GCPPX2
23:17 assbot dpaste: 3GCPPX2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsN95v )
23:17 mod6 well, i dunno what to say i guess.
23:18 mod6 you don't have to build with the script, just pull all the pieces and build by hand then.
23:18 mod6 im off
23:18 ben_vulpes go take a vacation dood
23:18 ben_vulpes it's not like gavin's going to steal a march on you or anything
23:18 BingoBoingo Actually it's hard to tell.
23:19 BingoBoingo That's the problem with hamplanets of the sort Gavin is growing into. It is impossible to predict the things they will steal.
23:19 * ben_vulpes waits for the punchline
23:21 BingoBoingo What punchline, all truefax. If you leave a planet in a room with icing, cornchips, and cookies there is a fair probability the hamplanet will eat the veggie burgers first out of curiosity.
23:22 ben_vulpes heh
23:22 ben_vulpes "so you leave a hamplanet in a room with frosting, cornchips, guacamole, and cookies. which do they eat first?"
23:22 BingoBoingo the eggrolls
23:22 BingoBoingo Even if you didn't know they were there.
23:22 ben_vulpes "trick question: first they magic veggieburgers into existence to pretend like they ate something wholesome before desert."
23:22 mod6 <+ben_vulpes> go take a vacation dood << this is not a solution.
23:22 gernika Some local color, since I'm voiced: I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia. I asked, and no, none of them had been there.
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23:23 BingoBoingo lol
23:23 mod6 what i need, is help. every day. until this is resolved.
23:23 ben_vulpes gernika: megalol
23:24 mod6 if someone knows what the problem is here, please submit. if testing is need, lets do it. all those things. telling me to take a break, or calm down, or take a vacation is not a solution.
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23:24 ben_vulpes i thought the vacation was already scheduled, hence the manic deadline pressure
23:24 mod6 brah.
23:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005704 = 12.4918 BTC [+] {2}
23:26 ben_vulpes ...
23:26 ben_vulpes yes?
23:28 phf mod6: that signature is busted, just vidy output of curl -s http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign
23:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKXnn )
23:29 mod6 vidy?
23:29 phf see
23:30 phf well, not busted, but not actually a signature for the tar.gz file
23:31 mod6 ok
23:31 mod6 http://dpaste.com/0A6CT6W.txt
23:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsO1ag )
23:31 phf mod6: ~look~ at the inside of the signature
23:31 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411795 << thats what package mask is for!!
23:31 assbot Logged on 21-02-2016 04:15:54; mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26 << both of my goddamn gentoo's have this installed.
23:32 phf it's not a detached signature. it's a standalone signed message that makes claims about shasums
23:32 mod6 dare i even ask what a package mask is?
23:32 mod6 phf: yeah, i see that, ok must be fixed
23:32 asciilifeform basic gentooism, it's a list of nevers
23:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 8513 @ 0.00023316 = 1.9849 BTC [-]
23:33 asciilifeform things that won't be pulled in no matter what.
23:34 asciilifeform re: thread: ftr i still use my original rotor builder.
23:34 asciilifeform and intend to continue.
23:34 asciilifeform it - works...
23:37 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411785 << i won't use thing that insists n downloads. and i ~definitely~ won't use a thing that wants to rebuild gcc or boost etc each time.
23:37 assbot Logged on 21-02-2016 04:11:48; ben_vulpes: if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well
23:39 asciilifeform my build script is two dozen lines, and bugless.
23:39 asciilifeform i have nfi why it needed 'progress'...
23:42 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411817 << l0l!
23:42 assbot Logged on 21-02-2016 04:22:56; gernika: Some local color, since I'm voiced: I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia. I asked, and no, none of them had been there.
23:43 * asciilifeform never has, and never will, go near anything 'bitcoin-themed' meatspace in heathendom.
23:43 gernika asciilifeform: you might be interested to know that the scheme involved some sort of Coke Machine with a water filtration system.
23:44 * BingoBoingo still remembers the one time he saw a person wearing a bitcoin t-shirt in a bar
23:44 asciilifeform cough up keyz or die of thirst?
23:44 asciilifeform worx
23:44 gernika l0l the ethiopian coke machine
23:45 asciilifeform also am i the only one to whom 'unbanked' evokes a way of connecting memory ?
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23:45 asciilifeform and little else
23:46 asciilifeform (vs banked naturally)
23:47 BingoBoingo lol
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