#trilema | 2014-11-04

Oh, the rms ordained distro has a new release https://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-70-lts-belenos

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;;later tell asciilifeform do you have a preferred syntax highlighting style? we can make it match w/e

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The operation succeeded.

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<PinkPosixPXE> more fivezerotwo garbage > http://dpaste.com/1QE0QRB << aaaahahaha

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00073222 = 10.6172 BTC [+]

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so the horse i bet on in the melb cup, Admire Rakti, fkn died after the race, i picked that horse as the name remember me of Autumn Radtke who also died lol

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reminds me* such engrish

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Damn

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Autumn Radtke being the bitcoin CEO that jumped out of a building earlier in the year

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cazalla "No small talk, huh? They shoot your horse?" "f there's any justice..."

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anyway, seems to me it delivered exactly as advertised.

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i watched that the other night, not bad

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i fucking love jon polito in that thing

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<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform lol what, tshirts with the charter ? << F9 BE B4 D9

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andreas giving you the high hat or what

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i'm seriously considering having it tattooed on myself

00:32

wait tattoo what ?

00:32

magic bytes

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haven't decided if hex or actual binary yet tho

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but wait. what ?

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mircea_popescu is confused

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bitcoin network message header bytes

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oh oh oh.

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F9BEB4D9

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meanwhile on redditland, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2l8d86/so_you_want_to_donate_to_support_bitcoin_how/

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So you want to donate to support Bitcoin? How about donating to the real Bitcoin Foundation instead of Vessennes' scambox? : Bitcoin

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i actually wanted that for the org url too

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and ? taken ?

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nobody bought it

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lol mircea_popescu's log fraud exposed

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hey are you still giving away domains?

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*elbow elbow*

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wait wait what ?

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hm i recall perhaps fraudulently that you were giving away domains at one point.

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F9BEB4D9.com << it's registered actually.

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f9beb4d9.org

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<cazalla> ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\ << i learned recently that 'app' name optimization is a thing that 'consultants' charge for.

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yeah, i've heard of appstore seo

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it had its own hilarious acronym when introduced to me

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oh yeah

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ASO

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ben_vulpes okay, you got it. ns ?

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app store optimization

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wheeeee

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jurov's donated hosting stuffs and wrapped in aws antiddos so i dun even know

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;;dig therealbitcoin.org

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Error: "dig" is not a valid command.

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^^ wish that were a thing

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dude you need to get better at wishlist maintenance.

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thanks mircea_popescu that's a rad domain and i'm thrilled that we have it.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00073222 = 21.0147 BTC [+]

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dude i'm accustomed to my wish list not getting filled

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"if the world were to against all reason smile upon my works" sort of attitude

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ok ns copied from trb.org

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so much gracias

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somehow i doubt this will actually work, but anyway, ding me later with actual ns

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if needed.

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yeah will do

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;;later tell jurov see above s'il vous plait

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The operation succeeded.

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gratzi mille mircea_popescu

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love.

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(the domain is both meaningful and follows the rules of domain name selection: be unique in the first chars)

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^^ for lurkers.

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http://qntra.net/2014/11/sir-richard-branson-discuss-bitcoin-at-next-months-g20-summit/

00:45

Sir Richard Branson: "Discuss Bitcoin At Next Month's G20 Summit" | Qntra.net

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!up julles

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!up julmac

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10867 @ 0.00073222 = 7.957 BTC [+]

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o look at the cute tiny netsplit

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this time for real : if you see maintenance page on bitbet, flushdns

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ლ(｀ー´ლ) aww that's cuter

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¯\_(⊙︿⊙)_/¯ << wow different ones ?!

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ye :)

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⊙﹏⊙ ahahh

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well i see traffic on both ends

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so wtf

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https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/bitbet.us

01:22

Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS?

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this thing sez its good

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> 185.56.137.194 is what you need

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dude these are too fucking cute

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lol

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i've been sitting here refreshing it and lulzing

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fuck your new site, this is better.

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lol

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dont get banned now ;)

01:28

"There undoubtedly needs to be work done to ensure that Bitcoin operates under a best practice regulatory regime."

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derp.

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not only this undoubtedly flies in the face of reason, but actually, it's bitcoin-illegal to "do work"

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lol

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what other fucking undoubtedly do these people have ? global warming, right ?

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o shit it's halloween isn't it ?

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*

Naphex thinks you just missed it

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lol oops.

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wasn't this supposed to be like all big deal discount "largest sale night of the year" etc ?

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or what, the failure of last years' taken the jam out of the marketeer's donut ?

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in other news, check out the cool shit buried in time! http://trilema.com/2012/gene-wolfe-orson-scott-card-and-others/

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Gene Wolfe, Orson Scott Card, and others. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21139 @ 0.00073358 = 15.5071 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28211 @ 0.00073096 = 20.6211 BTC [-]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maP0CAhL_3k << chasing topless chicks

02:02

Topless Femen activists chased through Paris streets by riot police - YouTube

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Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1059/ Odds: 43(Y):57(N) by coin, 44(Y):56(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.43659622 BTC. Current weight: 77,351.

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;;bc,stats

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02:06

totally fascinating this notion that nudity is somehow antipatriarchy.

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light sweet crude oil ... totally wtf bet. 8.5 btc on it.

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O_o

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why wtf ? wti is a big deal

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is it eh?

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well apparently so, who am i to argue with bb

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anyway all seems in check, imma go

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02:43

[trust-update] added: delta9 | removed: delta9

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punkman ^ ?

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mebbe it should only report moves in assbot's l2 ?

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delta9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol

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Tetrahydrocannabinol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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https://github.com/extempore/deedbundler/blob/367a7dd20b9ba4337c7c40b026706e09ee51c168/plugins/DeedSystem/plugin.py

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deedbundler/plugin.py at 367a7dd20b9ba4337c7c40b026706e09ee51c168 · extempore/deedbundler · GitHub

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RagnarDanneskjol huh ?

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i dont know why he chose delta9 other than reference to weed. there are 4 status updates that prompt the bot to speak: deed auth, deed bundle confirm, status/balance, and 'trust updates'

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nah it also updates on changes in the trust db

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oh nice

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so if one wants to spider a lot of sites and extract links, how would one go about that ?

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i'm talking "put in this file all urls found on all pages of 1mn sites" sort of thing.

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ive seen a bunch of utils on git for this. I think this one does: https://github.com/sylvinus/node-crawler

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sylvinus/node-crawler · GitHub

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search git fr crawler/spider and you'll find a lot of them

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not much a problem of code. but anyway, anon benefactor sent me http://www.michaelnielsen.org/ddi/how-to-crawl-a-quarter-billion-webpages-in-40-hours/

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How to crawl a quarter billion webpages in 40 hours | DDI

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"More precisely, I crawled 250,113,669 pages for just under 580 dollars in 39 hours and 25 minutes, using 20 Amazon EC2 machine instances."

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i guess amazon is the way to go.

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whoa cool

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whoa whoa.. things are moving quickly

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00073408 = 14.5348 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10755 @ 0.00073088 = 7.8606 BTC [-] {2}

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http://qntra.net/2014/11/2000-coinbase-accounts-phished-via-blockchain-info-public-notes/

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2000 Coinbase Accounts Phished Via Blockchain.info Public Notes | Qntra.net

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ben_vulpes: so whom i should talk aboout f9beb4d9.org ?

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it still strikes me as dorky, but whatever

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what is base58 of 0xf9beb4d9 ? just to add extra dorkiness

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Is this a concern? http://klikki.fi/adv/wordpress_ennakko-fi.html

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Klikki Oy - Kaikki yleisesti käytössä olevat WordPress-versiot haavoittuvia

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it's apparently 7PFyRz

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7PFyRz.org still free

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mircea_popescu: mebbe it should only report moves in assbot's l2 ? << that's the idea

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;;gettrust assbot delta9

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user delta9: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=delta9 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=delta9 | Rated since: Sat Nov 20 19:37:15 2010

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well I got no clue how he was both added/removed when nothing changed

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00072812 = 8.2642 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00072812 = 23.7003 BTC [-]

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mircea_popescu: i guess amazon is the way to go. << if you are on amazon you also get free access to http://commoncrawl.org/the-data/

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Common Crawl - The Data

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00072922 = 9.6257 BTC [-] {2}

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http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinero-project-seeks-150000-for-bitcoin-gift-cards/ fkn guy got all snippy with me

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Coinero Project Seeks £150,000 For Bitcoin Gift Cards | Qntra.net

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08:01

cazalla what is inercia?

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and it would help to give the context what did you ask

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guy got snippy, therefore scam

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bounce suspects it was supposed to be "inertia"

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yes to both... just would be good to see what Qs made him snippy

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39038 @ 0.00073056 = 28.5196 BTC [+] {2}

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2l97xj/wikipedia_page_for_andreas_antonopoulos_nominated/

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[trust-update] added: #bitcoin-otc

08:50

New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/short-term-update-trade-idea-for-next-24-48-hrs/

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New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/long-term-update-weekly-chart/

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New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/offtopic-donations/

08:52

;;later tell peterl maybe ratelimit scoopbot ? 1/hr/domain or something ? also add update protection somehow ? otherwise the temptation to flood is too great.

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The operation succeeded.

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;;later tell enky srsly, "we love bitcoin" "comments are closed" and "don't send donations in BTC that coinbase can't process" on the same page ? what is this!

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The operation succeeded.

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;;rated fivezerotwo

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You rated user fivezerotwo on Sat Oct 18 10:55:21 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: kinda derpy kid with a kinda derpy botnet..

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;;unrate fivezerotwo

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Successfully removed your rating for fivezerotwo.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00073081 = 18.4164 BTC [+]

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09:17

mats_cd03 and who else was looking to donate to the btcf, http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-foundation-finally-incorporated/

09:17

The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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09:36

!up BlackHatToolz

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!up Pierre_Rochard

09:40

regarding http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2014#907929

09:40

Logged on 03-11-2014 16:24:55; Pierre_Rochard: I’m writing up bitcoin accounting software, do y’all have any feature requests? https://github.com/NakamotoInstitute/pacioli

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One thing I had in mind was Accounts Payable / Accounts Receivable integrated with GPG, WoT, and deedbot

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now that is a good idea.

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So that you send an encrypted/signed invoice to someone they’re accounting server imports it into their payables automatically, they approve it, payment goes out, everything is documented cryptographically

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dude...

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their* accounting server

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if you actually get this to where it's usable i'd heart you so hard...

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the meat of it is there, the financial reporting will be fairly polished within a week, and the IRC integration I think I could get functional by the end of the year

09:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14568 @ 0.00072988 = 10.6329 BTC [-] {2}

09:43

listen, pick your poison of people who have proven bot capabilities. Azelphur FabianB_ punkman peterl kakobrekla to name a few.

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have them do it for you, shave 10 months out of that year

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Ok, will do! I’ll write up the spec and pass it around

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very exciting development.

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;;rated Pierre_Rochard

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You rated user Pierre_Rochard on Sun Jun 1 10:33:16 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: CPA.

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;;rate Pierre_Rochard 2 I like how the man thinks.

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Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Pierre_Rochard has changed from 1 to 2.

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;;gettrust Pierre_Rochard

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Currently authenticated from hostmask Pierre_Rochard!~Pierre@c-98-251-108-249.hsd1.ga.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 8 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Pierre_Rochard | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Pierre_Rochard | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014

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hm, its been like 8 hrs or smth and i had 1k bots with uniqe ip fetching 'action=register' on bitbet

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you don't understand how the action works.

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retarded wp bots. its not even wp site.

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WP... what have you done to ze internet :(

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!up ryguyy

10:19

;;ud quist

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quist | Quist. A street term for an organic fluid known as semen. The discharge of quist is called ejaculation. Bill Clinton: Hey bitch, open your mouth so I can quist in it.

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http://shrani.si/f/1O/jx/4LAH7D5h/img20141104161626.jpg

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reported for sapmming colofornia.

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http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/4a35c0b2-636e-11e4-9a79-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3I7LRccwU

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Tech groups aid terror, says UK spy chief - FT.com

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terrorise all the techs!

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Most internet users, he adds, would be comfortable with a better and more sustainable relationship between the [intelligence] agencies and the tech companies. <<< bwahahaha.

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and nine butch men in prison out of ten would be comfortable with probing Robert Hannigan bunghole.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00072713 = 20.7959 BTC [-]

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jurov: mircea_popescu.

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?

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re derpy domain names and dns

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http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/03/cody-wilson-of-3d-gun-and-ghost-gunner-f

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Cody Wilson of 3D Gun and "Ghost Gunner" Fame Has His Companies Booted from Online Payment Processor Stripe - Hit & Run : Reason.com

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;;later tell bingoboingo <bounce> http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/03/cody-wilson-of-3d-gun-and-ghost-gunner-f

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Cody Wilson of 3D Gun and "Ghost Gunner" Fame Has His Companies Booted from Online Payment Processor Stripe - Hit & Run : Reason.com

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The operation succeeded.

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IMO that guy likes to troll gun control proponents, but even so, why do payment processors feel the need to pass moral judgement on their clients?

10:33

for the same reason all assholes are assholes : they seek approval of whatever group of idiots they mistook for cool and important.

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punkman: ;;gettrust assbot delta9 <<< ah yeah you're right.

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cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinero-project-seeks-150000-for-bitcoin-gift-cards/ <<< a better play is to publish the chat than just excerpts, otherwise you're open to accusations of cherry picking/out of context/etc.

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Coinero Project Seeks £150,000 For Bitcoin Gift Cards | Qntra.net

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punkbot: [trust-update] added: #bitcoin-otc << wait, wut ?!

10:41

there's a user named "#bitcoin-otc", I rated him to see what'd happen

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o.O

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what'd happen is thatit threw me for a loop, well done :p

10:43

and ahhh, lovely days of manageable logs!

10:45

so there's a bylaw in this city that you're not allowed to build a deck on your rooftop

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the house next door had a rooftop deck, and the owner is a notorious asshole slumlord, so i called the city on him

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so he removes the deck from the side of the house, pulls it into the middle of the roof, and WALLS OFF THE ENTRANCE so the deck can't be removed

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using da gobbinmint to hassle your competitors he ?

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now it's just sitting there, rotting, waiting to blow over and kill me while i bbq

10:47

mircea_popescu natch

10:47

i get in touch with the city about this guy 3-4 times per year

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i have nfi how a city ends up with the notion it may make a bylaw about whether one can or can not build a deck.

10:48

me either. i'd love a rooftop deck

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esp in fucking twodogs, canada.

10:48

do you people even get enough sun ?

10:48

heh.

10:48

the city has "heritage regulations" for the downtown core, it's a nightmare

10:49

oh, that stupid shit.

10:49

yeah. essentially, renovations are not allowed unless you keep your house in the style that was popular after the great fire in 1892

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seriously, they regulate the width of the trim you put around your windows

10:50

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/society/images/gower_st_600.jpg

10:50

this is such nonsense. i mean yeah, i can appreciate what they're trying to achieve : avoiding towns looking like the owners of property, who are by and large despicable lemmings and would make everything into a bauhaus atrocity.

10:51

but the notion that you can actually achieve this goal, just because it's noble, through making laws about it...

10:51

why not decide alberta is from now on 600ad byzantine style.

10:51

how many fires before you lot will start to build in stone?

10:51

just as appropriate.

10:51

well, the great thing about these bylaws is that people can be granted EXCEPTIONS

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*

bounce idly plays with a lighter

10:51

nubbins` obviously.

10:51

so if you wave enough $$$, you can do w/e the fuck you want. build a condo in the battery, w/e

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which is why i say it's stupid in the first place.

10:52

bounce a couple more

10:52

bounce you don't understand how the building works. if they used stone it'd sink into the ice.

10:53

("what the fuck is the battery?" http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/66399979.jpg)

10:53

just add extra freezers to fix the perma in permafrost

10:53

that'd cause global cooling.

10:53

nah, the only solution is icecream housing.

10:54

nubbins` o look! people built houses for their secret goat paramours or ?

10:54

no secrets in the battery

10:54

half the roads aren't wide enough for cars

10:54

actually kinda weird. can't cool except move heat away and causing extra heat in the process

10:55

the only way to permanently cool is to enact a government-run heating process.

10:55

heh

10:55

you're saying government can defy the laws of thermodynamics?

10:56

IME it's mostly non-functional hot air, rather illustrating the point

10:57

bounce they would if they could!

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i mean no, wait.

10:57

... get a committee to agree

10:57

they can cuz they will!

10:57

no wai. jfk is dead

10:57

they could if they wailed ?

10:58

they wail but won't

10:58

the wontwail.

10:58

"the committee: it worked for C++"

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nubbins` slaps thigh

10:59

anyway, so essentially anything you do causes entropy by waste heat. eventually heat death of the universe. but where does the energy to heat up come from?

10:59

nubbins` reported for inappropriate conduct in a business setting.

10:59

my own thigh!!!

10:59

AND condoning SLAVERY

10:59

ben_vulpes: you said your job is herding of the cats, but you have problem with little bitching from me

10:59

i'm no ghomeshi

10:59

bounce the thing you do.

10:59

ben_vulpes: just tell me to move to deadbeef.org and stfu

11:00

cats don't bitch

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then moan

11:00

jurov but he's cuter as a little bitch

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little bitch cooties

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lol

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lol

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there's no search engine for sound bites, is there?

11:02

i think it's called nbc

11:03

The public broadcaster believes its ownership of the smartphone refutes the former radio star’s claim that he was fired because of how he conducted himself in his “private life.” “The contents of that phone belong to the CBC — it’s the CBC’s property,” said a source familiar with‎ the situation.

11:03

lesson to anyone anywhere : return your company provided gizmos, ask for a raise to compensate. today.

11:04

the IT dept. will thank you so much for having to deal with BYOD now

11:04

fuck them.

11:05

company wants to cya, company can pay more for everything.

11:05

this is something where you'd want multiple VMs on the phone. not just "profiles", but (near-)complete OS images to fulfill context-bound functions

11:05

why even bother ? own the phone, like any fucking artisan owns the tools of his trade.

11:05

how the fuck would a "personality" fall for this bullshit is beyond me.

11:06

even that needs lots of work. so far it's the telcos owning the thing.

11:06

well, not really. fat on the brain disease.

11:06

i never "bought" a rented phone so far.

11:06

even so, the OS is clearly geared toward catering for the expected owner, ie not you.

11:07

if it comes to it, go to zaire, buy phone there, come back, keep it in roaming. company can pay for airplane fare both ways, hotel stay, underage zaire hookers and the roaming fees.

11:07

bounce no os on phone.

11:07

of course some OS on phone. won't function without it.

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mircea_popescu starts whittling

11:08

chefs buy and maintain their own knives

11:08

nubbins` chefs have more sense than these libtard wailchorus muppets.

11:08

and take them to and fro their work too. then run afoul of UK knive legislation.

11:08

well y'know. if messy ghomeshi had sense, he wouldn't be in the pickle hes in

11:09

Theres nothing stopping the CBC from making a more fulsome disclosure, he said. They should be out there making their pitch about what a great organization they are, what their values are, what their processes are, what theyre going to do to ensure this doesnt happen again, what proactive steps theyve taken, their support for women in the workplace.

11:09

I mean, biking to work with a backpack full of knives? totally terrist.

11:09

^ how about gtfo, the "public" is not equal to the libtard media, and nobody is to be held at random by randoim fuckwits dictating "what to do"

11:09

jesus fuck.

11:09

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=788476607859356&set=vb.212653428775013&type=2&theater << mute this immediately after opening

11:09

cbc is in a hard place these days. budget has been gutted by conservative govt's. they're less of a "great organization" with "values" every day

11:09

bounce there are reasons you can't have a decent meal in teh uk.

11:10

https://github.com/coddingtonbear/ircpdb

11:10

coddingtonbear/ircpdb · GitHub

11:10

you're just as likely nowadays to see a headline about two neighbours arguing over a fence

11:10

that was the case well before they passed loads of terrist legislation, though

11:10

'cause that's not vulnerable to...stuff.

11:11

maybe we should buy cbc, make it all about "eat poor people" and "rape is a premier teaching tool"

11:11

see heads explode.

11:11

head-explodie broadcasting world wide

11:11

HEBWW!

11:11

not quite right, is it

11:11

almost sounds like a racial slur that's really ethnical.

11:11

nubbins` think i could build a deck on my cbc ?

11:11

jurov heh epic

11:12

mircea_popescu not in this town!!!

11:13

bbl sooper srs business meeting

11:13

build a deck on it!

11:13

needs airwolf for a corporate 'copter

11:14

someone should install a fighter jet carrier landing gear, complete with snap and everything.

11:15

the arrester wires aren't that much of a problem. it's the catapult that's a pain to maintain.

11:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQWc3KfQIFU <<< the *flploot* sound is priceless.

11:15

Jet Fighter Snaps Cable Landing on Aircraft Carrier.avi - YouTube

~ 41 minutes ~

11:57

businessing complete!

11:59

anyone on u.s. verizon fiber - your dns is being hijacked.

11:59

reddit police ?

12:01

heh

12:01

dat 8.8.8.8

12:03

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/02/ghomeshi-video-fans-sick-1996_n_6090862.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular&ir=Canada+Music

12:03

Jian Ghomeshi Sings 'All My Fans Make Me Sick' In 1996 Video

12:03

this is great, every less-than-admirable thing this guy has ever done is bubbling to the surface

12:04

the crash and burn will reach temperatures so high that not even soot will remain

12:08

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-guardians-dark-social-traffic-problem-2014-10 lol

12:08

The Guardian's Dark Social Traffic Problem - Business Insider

12:08

dem social traffickers

12:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00072952 = 4.8878 BTC [+]

12:11

Dark traffic is vexing because web publishers like to be able to offer their advertisers solid data on the quality of their readers.

12:11

Is jian ghomeshi really that popular in Canada?

12:11

cry me a river a goddamn mile wide. also, fuck you, businessinsider.com, for inserting copyright notices into my clipboard

12:11

The20YearIRCloud not anymore 8)

12:12

for a while, he was a young breath of life in our creaky, aging public broadcaster

12:12

I'd never heard of him till this whole thing

12:13

well, you're not canadian :)

12:13

have you heard of pamela wallin?

12:13

Yeah, but i know some of your documentary stars like ricky, bubbles and julian

12:13

documentary stars? o.O

12:14

Yeah, that trailer park documentary tv show

12:14

;;ud mockumentary

12:14

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mockumentary | ... of a documentary and pretends to be a documentary. A mock documentary. The mockumentary "This is Spinal Tap" documents the fictional band Spinal Tap.

12:14

kind of like here comes honey boo boo, but with weed

12:14

I loved that show too

12:14

incidentally, an actor on TPB alleged that ghomeshi assaulted her

12:14

Felt really bad for em though

12:14

Yeah, he's gonna get messed up once Ricky gets to him

12:14

he's shot people before over hurtin' lucy

12:14

;;later tell bingoboingo if you want scoopbot to link to n00dz and tits, you just have to put them in your blog

12:14

The operation succeeded.

12:15

just so we're clear, you know these people are actors? ;p

12:15

No they're not

12:15

*

nubbins` nods slowly

12:15

gotcha

12:15

people think they are, but they aren't, it says on the TV show itself that it's a documentary

12:15

...

12:15

And TV wouldn't lie

12:15

oh you

12:15

Especially CANADIAN TV

12:15

incidentally, have you seen season 9 of tpb?

12:15

yes, i loved it

12:16

S8 was getting a bit wore out IMO, and S9 was fantastic

12:16

yeah, i like jacob's character

12:16

he's a pretty good new trevor

12:16

Yeah, they've developed him fantastically to replace trevor

12:16

Even better that Trinity is still the same girl :D

12:16

heh yep.

12:17

we actually published some of jacob's art last year

12:17

At any rate though, i'm shocked that Jian could get away with that stuff with Lucy due to her ranking in the RCAF

12:17

or whatever they term it up there

12:17

well i doubt she was an air force captain back then

12:17

Not as high ranking I believe, but she was mid level back then

12:18

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.876287569063860.1073741827.307815925911030&type=1&l=96b7490ddb

12:18

the blue two-page spread in the bottom row is jacob's

12:20

mats_cd03

jian didn't do anything wrong, which is why lucy doesn't matter

12:20

*

nubbins` has a hearty lel

12:21

mats_cd03

'i sucked a dick ... to get outta there ... i didn't like it' -victims

12:22

<nubbins`> cry me a river a goddamn mile wide. also, fuck you, businessinsider.com, for inserting copyright notices into my clipboard <<< srsly. dark traffic is best traffic.

12:23

if you were a woman alone with a guy who just slammed you against a wall by your throat and punched you in the head, you'd probably suck his dick to get outta there too

12:24

not as wildly implausible as it sounds.

12:25

"fuck you, ghomeshi, i want to leave" followed by a "fuck me? FUCK YOU" and a throat-slitting probably didn't seem wildly implausible at the time, either

12:26

it's just this thing, a dude that's scared shitless ain't fucking anyone,

12:26

but a chick probably will.

12:27

kinda unobvious how this works for anyone that's not either a rapist or in law enforcement, which prolly fuels a lot of the "eh, she's just a slut" backlash.

12:27

dude scared shitless becomes a chick?

12:28

essentially.

12:29

see: jail

12:31

the pervasiveness of the "just a slut" line of thinking is a symptom of such a deep-rooted sickness in society that it's *almost* enough to make you feel pity for the people parroting it

12:31

who actually says "just a slut"?

12:32

so, so, so many people.

12:32

eh get out, what sickess ?

12:32

it's normal, and absolutely healthy.

12:32

it just happens to also be wrong.

12:32

o.O

12:33

;;dict expound

12:33

wn: expound v 1: add details, as to an account or idea; clarify the meaning of and discourse in a learned way, usually in writing; "She elaborated on the main ideas in her dissertation" [syn: {elaborate}, {lucubrate}, {expatiate}, {exposit}, {enlarge}, {flesh out}, {expand}, {expound}, {dilate}] [ant: {abbreviate}, {abridge}, {contract}, {cut}, {foreshorten}, {reduce}, {shorten}] 2: (1 more message)

12:33

what next, objects in mirrors being larger than they appear is also a symptom of deep rooted sickness ?

12:33

it's just a fringe effect of properly functioning vision.

12:34

dat broken analogy

12:34

go on ?

12:34

you're equating human behaviour to the physical properties of a curved surface

12:34

if i may, how objects appear is behaviour.

12:36

you may, but you'll need to stretch that dough out a bit further before i can see what sort of loaf you're making

12:36

"raped girl appears to be slut" === "object in mirror is larger than it appears"?

12:36

matter of appearences being discussed in both, right ?

12:36

if it's broken, it's not broken for the reason he offered.

12:37

mirror's curved to make the driver more cautious

12:37

actually to give better field

12:37

er, wait, isn't it actually .. yeah

12:38

PeterL for canonicalness' sake, "object in mirror is larger than it appears" ; "raped girl is more virtuous than she appears".

12:39

anyway, on a more general note : be careful when you think you've found an incredibly deep rooted sickness.

12:39

usually, you're pulling on healthy tissue.

12:42

speaking of sickness, i visited the rijksmuseum this summer and they had "sicknesses" stuck up all over the collections

12:43

so I should say "raped girl appears slutty" === "object in mirror appears small"

12:43

as in what, mirrors ?

12:43

PeterL cooking with gas.

12:44

http://imgur.com/svrGDDf

12:44

imgur: the simple image sharer

12:44

heh i see

12:44

500yo prayer nut with a yellow sticky note next to it ;/

12:44

but some of them were thought-provoking

12:48

anyway, to close the previous : human sexuality is built out of transgression. that transgression connotes sexuality is unavoidable given this. obviously lots of dumb shit will grow on that fertile ground, such as rape, or the puritan church. large ship, lotsa barnacles.

12:55

now there's something to chew on

~ 18 minutes ~

13:14

New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/short-term-update-trade-idea-for-next-24-48-hrs/

13:14

Short Term Update: Trade idea for next 24-48 hrs | Bitcoin Trading Signals

13:14

New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/long-term-update-weekly-chart/

13:14

Long Term Update: Weekly Chart | Bitcoin Trading Signals

13:18

so the bot was running fine, but then it says "killed", any idea why it would do that?

13:22

got a kill signal ?

13:23

why would it get a kill signal?

13:23

out of memory?

13:23

there are so many things that could have happened.

13:23

hmm, not even sure where to start looking?

13:23

does it say "killed" in some kind of logs? were you running it in a terminal?

13:23

like...

13:23

man...

13:24

I was running it in a terminal

13:24

so what do you do when you go to sleep ?

13:24

well step one figure out how to daemonize a processes on your operating system is

13:24

s/is//

13:25

nohup ?

13:25

:D

13:25

I had it running on nohup before, but it still dropped

13:25

this time I was just watching it to see what would happen in a terminal

13:26

well so dig in logs see what sent it a sigterm or w/e it was

13:28

and since we're on the topic : sigkill does not go to the kernel. it goes to... init!

13:37

New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/short-term-update-trade-idea-for-next-24-48-hrs/

13:37

Short Term Update: Trade idea for next 24-48 hrs | Bitcoin Trading Signals

13:37

New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/long-term-update-weekly-chart/

13:37

Long Term Update: Weekly Chart | Bitcoin Trading Signals

13:43

New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/short-term-update-trade-idea-for-next-24-48-hrs/

13:43

Short Term Update: Trade idea for next 24-48 hrs | Bitcoin Trading Signals

13:43

New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/long-term-update-weekly-chart/

13:43

Long Term Update: Weekly Chart | Bitcoin Trading Signals

13:44

!down scoopbot

13:45

;;later tell bingoboingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/atc-closing-statement/ << pls to insert deedlink ?

13:45

ATC Closing Statement | Bingo Blog

13:45

The operation succeeded.

~ 16 minutes ~

14:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17361 @ 0.00072952 = 12.6652 BTC [+]

14:02

i just read a claim that kind of astonishes me

14:02

"power law distributions are notable for having no stable mean, and infinite variance."

14:02

is this true?

14:02

^

14:02

yes.

14:02

aha.

14:03

both of these being why they're such big fucking problems for human society.

14:04

well damn.

14:04

source: http://blog.hut8labs.com/coding-fast-and-slow.html?reddit

14:04

Coding, Fast and Slow: Developers and the Psychology of Overconfidence

14:04

as an aside : socialism, in mathematical terms, is defined as "don't you worry your pretty head, power laws don't exist"

14:04

better: http://blog.hut8labs.com/coding-fast-and-slow.html

14:04

Coding, Fast and Slow: Developers and the Psychology of Overconfidence

14:04

directly equivalent to "don't you worry your pretty head, the black holes won't devour your soul along with anything you ever touched."

14:04

because socialism assumes or posits a stable mean.

14:04

nah, manageable variance.

14:05

(well, variance = 0 in the degenerate case)

14:05

(infinite variance and undefinied mean are not in fact different mathematical realities, merely two perceptibles of the same one(

14:08

punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/Q58x7Zrm

14:08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Bingo, Please send PC1's - Pastebin.com

14:08

hm.

14:08

mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

14:08

o hey i used this!

14:09

;;later tell bingoboingo ^

14:09

The operation succeeded.

14:10

the mere fact that something so stupid as ;;later tell ^ reference actually works is testament to the incredible coolness of technologies deployed here.

14:11

http://trilema.com/2014/mpif-fmpif-october-2014-statement/ << poor mpif.

14:11

MPIF (F.MPIF) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:12

http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/11/03/eris-industries-leaks-week-1/

14:12

Eris Industries Leaks – week 1 | Preston Byrne

14:13

;;later tell peterl wouldja throw prestonbryne.com into the feeds?

14:13

The operation succeeded.

14:14

s/There is no pre-sale. There are no tokens. /There is no pre-sale. There are no takers. /

14:14

my2c

14:15

ben_vulpes now why would i want to read the "business vc" spam in the irc chat ?

14:15

im here to get away from the idiocy.

14:16

wth is enky's pricetalk doing in there then

14:16

srsly.

14:16

kinda how the bot got devoiced.

14:17

"let us announce that we're not reading anything but will be making software". tyvm, go to techcrunch already.

14:17

aight, aight.

14:18

no i must fume more!

14:18

!s chukcha reader

14:18

2 results for 'chukcha reader' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chukcha+reader

14:19

asciilifeform and ironically enough this guy was already the recipient of a stuf and learn to read, bitch. but no, on he goes. "let me write software to improve girlfriends. oh, i've never had a girlfriend. but it's A SWINGER PARTY so it;'s all okaty right ?"

14:19

no dude. fucking swinger parties specifically boot young single males. because nobody wants them. boo hoo.

14:19

open source is for when you know how to code, not for when you can't find a job with any of the closed source sweatshops.

14:20

there should be a conviciton of forced labour @alcatel

14:20

Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/15JE3s5a

14:21

butugychag.

14:21

actually fuck that. there should be a draft. russian style, all males over 18 spend two years coding under the whip.

14:21

no human contact and once a week laundry. just like a grad dorm.

14:21

that's quite like the school i went to.

14:22

'mortification of the flesh' via 'compilers 4xx' and 'operating systems 4xx'

14:22

"get out when you write a duke nukem in asm"

14:22

not a factory of heroes by any measure, no.

14:24

asciilifeform heroes are the product of factories in the same sense weapon grade uranium is

14:24

the factories in question are called separation plants.

14:25

punkman could whitespace to the left of Recent bundles lines be used to include a truncated list of contributor names ?

14:25

s/left/otherleft/

14:26

in that sense, perhaps. but know that i left with the distinct impression that most of the folks standing for the final exam were masters of cribbing.

14:26

no final exams. time only.

14:26

the proverbial roaches standing after the nukefest.

14:27

two years of having to wash toilets with toothbrush for having declared the pointers wrongly.

14:28

with that much meat standing around you could implement sexps in hardware again.

14:28

ins'allah.

14:29

actually this is starting to take shape in my head. the male obnoxious adolescent camps could be like 3-400 miles north of nubbins' deck.

14:30

whereas the female obnoxious adolescent camps could be in a swamp. they may wear whatever they make themselves, gotta build swamphouses out of planks they make themselves and gotta spend 6 hours a day looking for pearls in the muck.

14:31

thenb they can spend the rest of the day making tiaras and other jewelries and selling them on etsy.

14:31

Confirmed bundle 15JE3s5ar1R8NKMc2F5BJcexCpsg4S8nmm | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/15JE3s5a

14:31

i gotta say, this was one of the most satisfying fuming sessions in recent memory.

14:34

they can spend the rest of the day making tiaras << aren't they already ?

14:35

or 'tiaras' here in this gedankenexperiment are cock rings ?

14:35

well, you will notice how my outrageous hell exactly describes actual reality.

14:35

kinda the point of the exercise.

14:43

mircea_popescu: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/atc-closing-statement/#comment-52635

14:43

ATC Closing Statement | Bingo Blog

14:43

BingoBoingo check out how motorized & mechanized we are nao hey!

14:43

[trust-update] | removed: #bitcoin-otc

14:44

*

BingoBoingo gets to logs

14:44

punkman maybe also name names ? [trust-update] | punkman removed #bitcoin-otc ; blabla

14:48

mircea_popescu: that'd be tricky

14:48

ah then nm

14:49

btw mpif bbet pending gain: 0.03 pot odds, 3.0 hanbot odds

14:49

im not sure what that meanz

14:51

Oh, this happened http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/11/04/172239/court-order-butterfly-labs-bitcoins-to-be-sold << Qntra

14:51

Court Order: Butterfly Labs Bitcoins To Be Sold - Slashdot

14:52

BingoBoingo: waterfall needs water.

14:52

asciilifeform: Indeed it does. Media needs audience too.

14:52

Historian need stone tablets too

14:52

mircea_popescu: that's how much BTC the unresolved bets are worth if pot-favored side wins or hanbot-favored side wins

14:53

BingoBoingo: how did you think usg would grab cheap coin that it could sell even cheaper? by praying?

14:54

asciilifeform: I see this as the USG telegraphing the rectotherm future

15:06

BingoBoingo wd!

15:06

im looking into getting it some mainstream media linkage too.

15:08

And to think first post was 33 days ago

15:08

bs paypal.

15:08

anyone wanna do a paypal payment for me ?

15:09

mike_c

BingoBoingo: any indication of how many btc?

15:10

mike_c: Not in the court order.

15:23

!up huseby

15:25

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/3c32fb3a29c078a81c40b6d88865e87bd80229a03c75b4c51fc784c79f64e117 PC1 is closed

15:25

Bitcoin Transaction 3c32fb3a29c078a81c40b6d88865e87bd80229a03c75b4c51fc784c79f64e117

15:26

totally got to get more pcs in that thing.

15:38

mircea_popescu: i can do paypal

15:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52010 @ 0.00073032 = 37.9839 BTC [+] {3}

15:41

http://qntra.net/2014/11/stripe-breaks-up-with-cody-wilson/

15:41

Stripe Breaks Up With Cody Wilson | Qntra.net

15:43

;;later tell cazalla the next quantcast qntra stats should be inspiring

15:43

The operation succeeded.

15:51

oh cody wilson.

15:52

Another story on him coming soon.

15:52

rithm

coming soon

15:52

imho the bugger's a usg agent provocateur.

15:53

he's an attention whore, i've talked to him before.

15:53

the end result of his work will be that the m16 trigger spring part is declared regulated by royal fiat

15:53

he comes into #reprap with various nicks promoting his shit

15:53

rithm

the trigger itself will be classified NFA

15:54

how do stories like this usually end? that is, some idiot screams, all day, every day 'loophole! here's a loophole!'

15:56

>2000 coinbase.com accounts in less than 2 weeks for a total of almost 17 BTC.

15:56

;;calc 17/2000

15:56

0.0085

15:56

eh?

15:59

http://qntra.net/2014/11/cody-r-wilson-announces-candidacy-for-vessenes-bitcoin-foundations-board/ << Now he wants to feed Buterin's Waterfall

15:59

Cody R Wilson Announces Candidacy for Vessenes' Bitcoin Foundation's Board | Qntra.net

16:00

https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/529739888674209794

16:00

So much /Radomysisky news today http://t.co/rwy10OVjGp /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash /hashtag/ButerinsWaterfall?src=hash

16:02

BingoBoingo, i only just woke up but i am euphoric because of quantcast

16:02

cazalla: It won't show the interesting stuff for another 20 hours or so

16:03

BingoBoingo is invited to write a ликбез ('likbez' - 'elimination of illiteracy) piece on the waterfall.

16:03

jurov: and it would help to give the context what did you ask <<< i didn't get answers to my questions, we just talked about bitcoin a little

16:03

<asciilifeform> how do stories like this usually end? that is, some idiot screams, all day, every day 'loophole! here's a loophole!' << Depends on how well they obey their leash. But every now and then you get a Hal Turner.

16:04

pediwikia b0rk3d ?

16:05

or is my dns cache still poisoned.

16:05

jurov: cazalla what is inercia? <<< i'm just quoting the guy

16:06

<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo is invited to write a ликбез ('likbez' - 'elimination of illiteracy) piece on the waterfall. << I guess I have homework now.

16:08

Hal Turner, FBI crackpot magnet who got too into his schtick for his handler's liking http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/north_bergen_blogger_accused_o.html

16:08

North Bergen blogger accused of threatening federal judges is held without bail | NJ.com

16:08

the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept

16:09

'but i didn't sign up to suck cok in the cellar for the whole battalion!'

16:09

'shuddup and oil the compressor'

16:13

that guy got trolled so hard by 4chan

16:14

Well, sometimes the handled has a longer lifespan than the handler expects. Like pet tortoises or parrots that get passed down by different generations, because why the fuck would they live longer than 7 sequential dogs.

16:14

!up johntraveller

16:15

mircea_popescu: cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinero-project-seeks-150000-for-bitcoin-gift-cards/ <<< a better play is to publish the chat than just excerpts, otherwise you're open to accusations of cherry picking/out of context/etc. <<< few too many last night, guy got snippy and well that is the result

16:15

Coinero Project Seeks £150,000 For Bitcoin Gift Cards | Qntra.net

16:16

yea

16:17

;;eregister johntraveller 6C24 1224 C966 76FC CDDF 58A0 883D 1DD1 A66C 3321

16:17

Error: '6C24' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

16:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00072987 = 8.9774 BTC [-]

16:18

;;eregister johntraveller 1985ABFE62E43615

16:18

Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.

16:18

<diametric> he comes into #reprap with various nicks promoting his shit << actually ?! by hand ?!

16:18

;;eregister johntraveller 883D1DD1A66C3321

16:18

Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.

16:18

!up bobmcmillan

16:18

damn

16:18

mircea_popescu: in his earlier days, he also has some bots that come in from time to time to linkspam.

16:18

<kakobrekla> eh? << sounds exactly right.

16:18

and now thing they gotta do "kyc" for that.

16:19

people worth under a bitcent aren't even worth knowing.

16:19

!up johntraveller

16:20

<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo is invited to write a ликбез ('likbez' - 'elimination of illiteracy) piece on the waterfall. << yeah prolly not a bad blog idea.

16:22

<asciilifeform> the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept <<< this, srsly. as all the various prettygirls are to soon find out, their choices aren't exactly what they thought they would be.

16:24

johntraveller http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x6C241224C96676FCCDDF58A0883D1DD1A66C3321 << you're not seen yet.

16:24

No results found

16:24

should take about an hour or so for the stuff to propagate, provided you sent it properly.

16:24

anyway, i update that post with the log of our chat, i guess i was a little harsh but he would only give me fluff

16:24

!up Roeland_van_Vlaa

16:24

cheers, I just added myself - found the otc wiki instructions

16:25

;;ident johntraveller

16:25

Nick 'johntraveller', with hostmask 'johntraveller!~isaac@5751fa19.skybroadband.com', is not identified.

16:26

nubbins`: the city has "heritage regulations" for the downtown core, it's a nightmare <<< we have maintain the facade regulations in some parts of Melbourne, i like it tbh, it's the one part of town that looks nice

16:30

johntraveller: where'd you hear about -assets?

16:31

"Turner wrote on his blog June 2 that three federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" for their decision in a case involving ordinances banning handguns in Chicago and suburban Oak Park."

16:31

check it out, this constitutes a threat now.

16:31

maybe they really do deserve to be killed ?

16:31

ben_vulpes: xenosystems

16:31

haha neat

16:32

speaking of, I was reading mp’s critique of yarvin

16:32

your criticism was good but you picked two weak articles of his to nitpick

16:33

well whatever i happened to fall upon.

16:34

johntraveller anyway, waht is that xenosystems thing ? and generally, explain for public benefit wtf this entire thing is, we lack an expert.

16:34

“this entire thing” = neoreaction?

16:34

so xenosystems is the blog of nick land

16:34

i have no idea. i guess so ?

16:35

ok I’ll give as accurate a condensed overview as I can

16:35

cool.

16:35

with the obvious caveat I’m describing a fiarly heteregenous group of people and ideas so my summary will contain my own bias

16:36

only lies are without bias.

16:36

!up bitstein

16:36

so moldbug/yarvin was a typical california libertarian who dropped a lot of acid

16:37

i believe hans-herman hoppe (classical lib who wrote an anti-democracy tract) turned him onto anti-democracy

16:38

so he started looking up other anti-dem sources, eventually came across carlyle, to a lesser extent froude

16:38

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/from-mises-to-carlyle-my-sick-journey.html

16:38

Unqualified Reservations: From Mises to Carlyle: my sick journey to the dark side of the force

16:40

cazalla check out uptake en espanol : http://elbitcoin.org/banqueros-bitcoin-quiere-comerse-nuestro-almuerzo/ http://burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/burbuja-inmobiliaria/497459-hilo-oficial-del-bitcoin-vi-822.html etc

16:40

Banqueros: ¡Bitcoin quiere comerse nuestro almuerzo! - Bitcoin en Español

16:40

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asciilifeform burning in xorg hell

16:41

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2007/04/formalist-manifesto-originally-posted.html < and this is a good overview of moldbug’s post-libertarian framework.

16:41

Unqualified Reservations: A formalist manifesto

16:41

http://moldbuggery.blogspot.co.uk/ < here’s an archive

16:41

Moldbuggery

16:41

fighting with hald/dbus/udevd/*kit/systemd/whatever?

16:42

johntraveller okay. so basically it's this blogger and his commenters ?

16:43

bounce: nope. box with 'nvidia optimus' demented chipset, fed to screen through 'intel i915', that won't initialize.

16:43

o look how cute, stan is gpu mining :D

16:43

http://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/dark-enlightenment-map-1-5.png < kinda. a bunch of pre-existing online communities started to find each other, and moldbug was a key node in that graph

16:43

lol, if only

16:44

so trying to setup whatever it was named, piping intel->nvidia video?

16:44

mircea_popescu, nice! here's to it continuing

16:44

johntraveller actually that thing was linked here previously.

16:44

!s http://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/dark-enlightenment-map-1-5.png

16:44

0 results for 'http://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/dark-enlightenment-map-1-5.png' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fakarlin.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F05%2Fdark-enlightenment-map-1-5.png

16:44

i wonder how they are finding qntra

16:44

meh i bet it was.

16:44

bounce: http://pastebin.com/S6PzpMQ4 << blank screen.

16:44

[ 2988.945] X.Org X Server 1.15.0 Release Date: 2013-12-27 [ 2988.945] X P - Pastebin.com

16:44

cazalla wink wink

16:44

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jurov noticed his mailman addon looks exactly like a tumor, in other news

16:44

xanthyos

thanks for retweeting that BingoBoingo i might now buy this https://www.etsy.com/listing/168455782/grammar-expletive-novelty-funny-mug?ref=sr_gallery_32&ga_search_query=grammar+mug&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery

16:44

Grammar Expletive Novelty Funny Mug by TwistedEnvyRhineston

16:45

bounce: line 108,109, 161 notable.

16:45

johntraveller i know because at the time i had my research follow the thing to try and ascertain wtf this is from outside. the response came out as most of hte nodes are either tiny or long abandoned blogs, and pretty much nothing stil active.

16:46

bounce: i'm stuck with this machine in the field, and it gets 1 fps or so when running solely using 'intel' card switched on (which works)

16:46

(most of the blogs other than the pua stuff, that is)

16:46

no root or selinux being annoying or something?

16:46

bounce: nope.

16:46

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bounce hasn't fought with xorg in a long time. not impressed by that bunch though.

16:47

asciilifeform you using nvidia's binary driver ?

16:48

tried both the evil and the good one.

16:48

but did you purge the files in between tries ?

16:48

yes.

16:48

looks like the nvidia part isn't the problem, but the intel part is.

16:48

(classic mistake, yes)

16:48

remmeber, this is ubuntu, ie a linux implementation of windows

16:48

mircea_popescu: interesting. I would say the most active pre-existing groups (in order of size) were the manosphere guys, the HBD/white nationalist bloggers, the ‘orthosphere’ (a bunch of catholic bloggers), the lesswrong crowd

16:48

gentoo.

16:48

although arguably a box with the blog driver may as well be a winblows box

16:48

johntraveller isn't the lesswrong crowd flamingly libtard ?

16:49

*blob

16:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15647 @ 0.00073096 = 11.4373 BTC [+]

16:50

!up johntraveller

16:50

mircea_popescu: yes. but there’s a fringe of right-wing people (who have been slowly leaving)

16:50

so basically "this" isn't really anything, is it ? random wave at a rave.

16:52

as a totally wild guess, could try and stop nvidia from modesetting so the intel thing gets to do it

16:52

mircea_popescu: prior to 2012, yes. but since about a year or two ago people have started to cluster around the ‘neoreactionary’ label. that image is the meta-community growing self-aware

16:52

jurov better a software tumor of the mailman than a malignant tumor of the sexware!

16:52

xenosystems, twitter and 8chan.co/duck are the main gathering places

16:53

googling gives a couple of instant brainrot inducing "solutions". man, freedesktop is bad for the brain and no mistake.

16:53

johntraveller which brings us to the next question. how do you distinguish this from the usual usg psyops ? astroturfing/trolling for pseudo-communities ?

16:53

mircea_popescu: oh very interesting question

16:53

bounce: tried it and 1000 things

16:53

alright, n'mind me then

16:54

johntraveller chan's kinda on the fence re moldbug. you can search for him to get the various discussions if you care.

16:54

kakobrekla: >2000 coinbase.com accounts in less than 2 weeks for a total of almost 17 BTC. <<< a lot of the accounts were empty from the sample bitcomsec provide

16:55

someone on HN claimed as such https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=75BCD67

16:55

75BCD67's comments | Hacker News

16:55

mr mold is a junkyard dog, with all that it entails. did not grow up with classical education, no latin, no greek. me neither.

16:55

I emailed the guy but he seemed massively tinfoil

16:55

junkyard dog is doomed to eat what he can.

16:56

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah, I followed a bunch of the NRx guys for a long time as I hadn’t encountered anyone else saying the same things. but I got bored after a while, they clearly don’t have any plans or goals

16:56

asciilifeform everyone eats what they can. it's just that for a few that doesn't come out of a can.

16:57

#bitcoin-assets, however...

16:57

we don't have a plan either. who the fuck needs plans when you got wmd.

16:57

johntraveller: the worst thing, arguably, that ever happened to mr mold, is the 'moldosphere'

16:57

johntraveller: as i gather, he saw the quality of the 'followers' and went full perelman.

16:58

words of musing and distraction

16:58

asciilifeform: yup, I’d agree with that. he himself said he had enough friends, he wanted better critics

16:58

asciilifeform strange that he tried to copy bitcoin but didn't manage to think of the assbot voice.

16:58

i suppose you put this under "no greek"

16:59

mircea_popescu: afaik he did not copy, initially, but marched on with his pre-2009 turdcoin

16:59

i could've easily went there.

16:59

along with 1000 other people

16:59

i'm still waiting to hear about someone other than mr mold, who did this

16:59

perhaps i overstate. but fuck it, someone's gotta.

16:59

this is a point.

17:00

other thing is, when reading his 'i'm a surrender monkey, usg cannot be killed' posts, must remember that he's a 'tenured sea cucumber' in the sense that he keeps a dependopotamus, it birthed children, and he knows he won't be making it out of the gravity pit.

17:01

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mircea_popescu avoids starting a rant on the topic as he's ranted recently and is well rantsated :D

17:02

i think mircea_popescu already did this essay

17:02

!s cuckolding

17:02

18 results for 'cuckolding' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cuckolding

17:02

that one.

17:04

asciilifeform i have this earlier convo burnished in my memory, me: "you know, it's quite possible you'll die there" op: "eh, fuckit. i'm too old anyway." me: "you're twenty four!"

17:04

asciilifeform: yeah. I also get the sense he hasn’t travelled much. living abroad makes it much easy to see your own cultural matrix, so to speak

17:04

guy had a pretty gf and a two year old kid. too old, iho.

17:04

johntraveller: afaik his stepfather, usg diplomat, dragged him to several places around the empire

17:05

cyprus, he wrote about, possibly elsewhere

17:05

johntraveller so where've you been ?

17:06

asciilifeform: oh yeah, you’re right. my theory was that people like MP or taleb, who grew up in somewhat sane cultures, instinctively see the craziness of anglo-american ideas. if you grew up in the english speaking world it’s harder to see that

17:07

on the plus side, it's very easy to see the craziness of romanian o wait. nope. listen, somehow english speakers had a lot of trouble figuring out exactly how and exactly where ro nonsense was broken, back in the 90s.

17:07

johntraveller: outside of the anglo world, there is (or at least, until recently, was) a bacchanalia of xenophiliac idiocy ('let's copy usa! they have cadillacs and we have trabant, they must be clever')

17:07

mircea_popescu: spent a couple of years in china and a year in HK, visited malaysia, india, tibet, phillipines, algeria and a bunch of european coutnries

17:07

o hey nice! do you speak chinese ?

17:08

!s luxor business center

17:08

0 results for 'luxor business center' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=luxor+business+center

17:08

kinda though I’m a bit rusty

17:08

you looking for work ? we still need chinese coverage.

17:09

mircea_popescu: not looking for work but definitely open to btc-related projects

17:09

johntraveller one major thing is that qntra doesn't/can't quite follow chinese language news atm. if you can bridge that gap there's glory in there.

17:10

^

17:10

Definitely a glory hole in qntra's coverage there

17:11

today is the ipo, tomorrow is GLORY

17:11

also i wish it entered into the record that romania was at no point during its ~2500ish year history sane. not ever.

17:12

mircea_popescu: so I’m moving back to china in a couple of weeks. (working with my russian friend on a bunch of mobile-related projects). depending on how much money there is in it, my 1st thought is find a local finance student who could research/write part-time?

17:12

china projects << gonna build iPnohes?

17:13

if you can find someone with decent english

17:13

johntraveller: the qntra writers are rewarded by shares

17:13

what sort of projects?

17:14

sadly not that exciting. mostly stuff around mobile marketing. my friend is the kind of guy involved in multiple pies though

17:14

johntraveller fluent foreigner is usually a better model than local esl, but maybe worth a shot.

17:15

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bounce has a phone spec in mind that could stand building

17:15

mircea_popescu: hmm, maybe I should organise a couple local guys to do research and I write it up in english?

17:15

that may be a steamrollin' arrangement.

17:15

bounce o.o. secret spec ?

17:15

totally

17:16

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/27267243/gas-now-cheaper-than-milk

17:16

Gas now cheaper than milk - New York News

17:16

chetty well, you can snif gas.

17:16

more like, have a couple drafts laying around, should probably try and merge them

17:16

bounce aren't phones one of those things you gotta make 1mn units min ?

17:17

rithm

milk per-gallon has always been relatively high priced

17:17

I would go for a phone I knew didnt have n*a in it

17:17

have shop run up a sample or two and I'd be happy really

17:18

chetty: much of what folks object to re: phones happens on the tower end.

17:18

^

17:19

chetty: the only exception, really, is the 'pwned phone listens at all times' and 'pwned phone dumps www/mail logins to pwner'

17:19

yes, and to fix that you'd really need to redesign the protocol

17:19

true, but we do what little we can ...(mostly I use the off button atm)

17:19

you could make a phone that gives you as much insight and control as available; this is quite a bit more than currently available.

17:20

asciilifeform if mail is used correctly (send/received armored gpg blobs) this yields no further information than already available.

17:20

;;rated johntraveller

17:20

and do a network side that isn't as full of holes as the current crop, and do proper separation, and provide a full off of the wireless side while leaving the other functions available, and so on.

17:20

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17:20

;;rated johntraveller 1 voice.

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17:21

johntraveller voice yerself.

17:21

bounce i'd be happy with os stacks that didn't make world depend on internet etc.

17:21

much easier to do, still undone.

17:22

http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/

17:22

Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:22

"There is no motherfucking reason conceivable or inconceivable that x.org should depend on netbase." i say!

17:22

freedesktop.org needs to die, more or less

17:22

how about compiz ?

17:22

gdm ?

17:23

gvfs ?

17:23

lol compiz always reminded me of macs

17:24

for good reason.

17:25

it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/

17:25

BitBet Stats

17:26

10% not bad

17:26

imma guess its someone from ba

17:29

johntraveller to voice yourself, pm assbot !up

17:29

thanks, I did already, was just reading more about qntra

17:29

ah cool.

17:35

mircea_popescu: if mail is used correctly << consequences of hijacked mailbox are still ugly

17:35

mircea_popescu: esp. given all the idiot www gadgets that don't use pgp, and allow mail-based pw resets

17:36

e.g., fiat banks, www hosts, public utilities

17:36

ah, the blessings of not actually using any of those.

17:37

even in the most elementary case, using none of these, pwner can lock you out of own mailbox

17:37

not necessarily fatal, but quite unpleasant if that was your sole means of contact with somebody.

17:38

he can also 'be you' to any moron who isn't asking for pgp sig, and impersonate, and summon gasenwagen, etc.

17:38

you really should own the box.

17:38

which box?

17:38

mail server? sure.

17:38

mail@box

17:38

but original thread was about the perils of pNohes

17:38

bounce: a dutch entrepreneur in the city I’m moving to had his own tablet built a few years back

17:38

the kind which contain login creds

17:38

cost?

17:38

asciilifeform yeah, i got nothin'.

17:39

dont use fingerprint, usg says you have no privacy rights with those

17:39

'own tablet' - means what? own chipset, nothing from 'arm' ? own os, from zero?

17:39

you know, ever since the photo debate with bounce a few days ago, i'm kinda curious to see this photography drone gadget. imagine all the YOLO picutres taken by this orbiting drone thing.

17:40

+ much better homemade porn

17:40

chetty: afaik the 'fingerprint' pnohes are intended to keep the common pickpocket out of your cached logins, until you can send remote-zap command

17:40

how much would this cost to make ?

17:40

chetty: rather than serious enemy

17:41

drone with camera is pretty much COTS?

17:41

the typical flight time of the various extant machines is about half hour.

17:41

bounce but one specifically optimised for the role of following you around taking pictures of things. like a sort of gopro with ai.

17:41

<mircea_popescu> + much better homemade porn << noisy as shit though

17:41

then, 4-5 hrs. of charger.

17:42

ben_vulpes "if you can hear Shooty you're not fucking her right" as a slogan ?

17:42

can mitigate, to some extent, with a return-to-base and cell swap gambit

17:42

asciilifeform better yet, thing should know where the batteries are kept, fly over, change ITSELF. let the spare charge.

17:42

at some point, some joker somewhere will build the one that latches onto and inductively charges from aerial mains cables

17:43

bringing the inevitable chaos

17:43

shit that's a great idea.

17:43

omfg now i really want one.

17:43

they'll be retrofitted with mumetal shields, at ruinous public expense, i bet

17:43

THIS will be the next step in b-a terrorism.

17:43

that'd be entirely out of spite, not for actual need

17:44

bounce spite is the only real engine of human progress.

17:44

kinder, gentler option: streetlights

17:44

those things aren't loss-free

17:44

bounce: dunno about cost. I don’t think he went especially ‘custom’, though lots of chinese firms have been making custom handsets with custom android mods.

17:44

streetlight, unlike sol, is a very concentrated source of light

17:44

easy to charge from.

17:44

custom android mods << lol. snore.

17:45

asciilifeform think about it, a cop-filming, revenge-porn-making, electrictity stealing personal dronepet!

17:45

asciilifeform: maybe some chinese kid will try and build his own lisp machine. sadly they’re not there yet

17:45

johntraveller: chinese kid with semiconductors plant.

17:45

they exist.

17:45

johntraveller: and own logic cell library, own synthesis toolchain.

17:45

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bounce would want (feature)phone hardware with full access and docs, add s/w myself

17:46

can exist, why not

17:46

on the moon, perhaps a piece of fine roquefort cheese exists.

17:46

why not just do it with sdr?

17:46

of the feature phone OS kind, no full linux and shit

17:46

bounce afaik there is still no good phone os

17:46

full access and docs << strictly banned in usa (and possibly eu)

17:46

there's either android, samsung retarded linux port or mac-whatever that is.

17:47

why should there be a "phone" object instead of a thing one plugs into computers that provides a /dev/phone?

17:47

well, that's why you order the things built in shenzen

17:47

ben_vulpes: /dev/phone right here!

17:47

ben_vulpes so you want your phone to be irc ?

17:47

chicom dongles, about $10 in qty. 1

17:47

closed firmware though. but they take 'hayes modem' commands and present a pcm device for voice.

17:47

i want to hook into the cell network from my laptop; make/receive calls etc

17:47

(why would someone with a computer use a phone)

17:48

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bounce is initially thinking of something like the 6310, only updated hardware. can easily still be b/w lcd. no need for fancy shit there.

17:48

you're all right

17:48

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ben_vulpes hangs head

17:48

why would someone with a computer use a phone << dial-up from phonebooth in $turdworldshithole ?

17:48

asciilifeform uhm.

17:48

anywhere has cable by now.

17:48

fallback comms for cut fiber?

17:48

heck, put a e-ink display on it. though those exist in sorta-colour too

17:49

quite a few folks have wireless gizmos for fallback

17:49

asciilifeform but you'd use the "phone" to push text anyway.

17:49

phone does not presume voice.

17:49

nope. plenty of places have nothing but dialup over rusty barbed wire

17:49

i dunno, maybe i'm weird, but the only actual point of calling, ie voice, would be a woman, and rather than call (ie, on phone) i'd always prefer to call (ie, bitch get on plane)

17:50

yeah, you are

17:50

you all grew up in crazy places!

17:50

cat bitch_number_hayes.txt >> bitch_get_on_phone.wav >> /dev/phone

17:51

'sides, the point of building a phone is to have access to all the capabilities on offer with the networks it gives access to

17:51

wai wat?

17:51

but canonical form is gpg --encrypt --armor -r bitch "get on plane" | curl --post http://bitcherrarium.net

17:51

so I'd have modem and fax support as well as voice and sms and whatnot. whether you use it is up to you.

17:52

fax?!

17:52

srsly. fax ?!

17:52

yes, absolutely.

17:52

why not teletype ?

17:52

telex!

17:52

yeah that one.

17:53

sure. though +/- 30v is a bit of a pain. and anyway, nobody does that these days, you'd interface through a 'net gateway somewhere.

17:53

unlike fax ?!

17:53

but having "an app" to talk to such a gateway would be on the list

17:53

bounce you seriously duly received an actual fax in the course of business ?

17:53

no monkey business and no funny stuff mind you!

17:54

I sent a couple

17:54

so did i. both to... uspto! of all places

17:54

because idiots.

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asciilifeform keeps a fax in consulting office. it is used only for usg.

17:54

right.

17:54

afaik no one else bothers with fac

17:54

fax

17:54

facks.

17:54

fux

17:54

used a faxmodem. good for talking to gov't but also for bypassing phone queues

17:55

instead of waiting in the queue, write letter, fax, get reception receipt

17:55

carries law protection and the receipt is valid in court

17:55

so yeah, fax.

17:55

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mircea_popescu folds.

17:55

incidentally, i bet there's still a battalion at ft meade in charge of curating a library of sploits for fax machines.

17:55

i bet they're just dying of boredom. won't somebody help.

17:55

I don't *plan* on using that sort of thing, but if I'm building a phone it's gotta have the capability

17:56

just like it needs csd for dialup as well as crypto voice support

17:56

the "i don't plan to use the capability" thing makes me wonder : isn't it strange that "infertility" isn't the leading thing in dating sites and comedian's routines re dating sites ?

17:56

gals want a guy that's funny and whatever, guy wants a girl that's infertile.

17:56

go verify.

17:57

apropos, fax is still popular in japan, apparently. great for quick sketches and notes. take picture, fax. sure why not.

17:57

i should have heard this joke to death by now, neh ?

17:57

bounce that's because their language fucking sucks.

17:57

by the time you explain what you want you could have drawn it five times over.

17:57

more reason to support it then

17:58

you are aware i folded in utter defeat like fifty lines up yes ?

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dub has had to fax in the last couple of years

17:58

there's a bigger pattern here though

17:59

'reflection technologies' had, around 1990, a prototype of a pocket phone that sent, received faxes, and view through ocular

17:59

(similar to this one, also theirs, http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html )

17:59

Parallel Port Interface to the Private Eye P4 Head-Mounted Display

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afaik went nowhere.

17:59

dub

telco still goes to retarded lengths to maintain fax compat

17:59

even voip lines from various carriers work fine at 14.4kbaud.

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asciilifeform verified this personally

18:00

asciilifeform i think that's mandated, buried in the license language somewhere 500 pages deep

18:00

although, on second thought, not sure if it was pumping the full 14.4. there's auto-rate in there.

18:01

'POTS' (voice telephone) service exists pretty much at the decree of usg, mainly for its own purposes

18:01

(in usa, naturally)

18:01

even the automagic bugging machine mandated at every telco switch is specified, in grindingly pedantic detail, in a dead tree standards doc

18:02

incidentally, these are usually accessed via www now, and quite a few have been loudly pwned

18:02

even more, silently.

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(gone are the days when a live monkey had to plug a tape recorder into your pair)

18:03

which is why the "terrorist" members of the public don't want the government to have "capabilities"

18:03

IIRC they demodulate the fax and send the data over voip, then remodulate on the other end (or just hand you the fax data, if they can)

18:03

bounce: it's all packets, probably less than 1km from where you stand.

18:04

<asciilifeform> 'own tablet' - means what? own chipset, nothing from 'arm' ? own os, from zero? << From slate with frame is a couple hours, input device is chalk

18:05

yeah, but "packets" with modulated fax signal in a sampled-and-compressed voice channel is rather tricky to get right. better to demodulate the fax and send the data.

18:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00073364 = 11.9583 BTC [+]

18:12

http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/

18:12

Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

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o hey.

18:12

well... it's a culture...

18:13

my nearest meatspace approximation is the masons w/o the symbols

18:14

mircea_popescu tis certainly a culture

18:14

and one with a structure quite unfamiliar to the western reader

18:15

so like everything else bad and trolling and terrorist mkay, it's hard to distinguish it from a cult

18:15

a cult of course being conventiently ill defined

18:16

and at 3000 words, this makes the longest piece yet on the pages of contravex

18:20

The government tries to minimize publicity about the names of agents investigating cases involving potentially violent criminals. "The information (about agents) he gave out might threaten somebody's safety -- the information that he broadcast could imperil somebody," Ashman said.

18:20

cute huh.

18:21

police breaking down door, which obviously imperils someone - such as the random bystander, is a-ok. naming agents however MIGHT imperil someone, such as an asshole abusing his offical status to powerplay. this is very un-ok.

18:21

fatlogic.

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fatstatelogic

18:27

http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/#comment-4486 << this morin kid just keeps motorin'

18:27

Tête-À-Tête With A Neo-National Socialist | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

18:29

pete_dushenski i thought you two were irl buddies or something

18:30

he's from around here and i recognize the name...

18:30

just can't put a face to it

18:30

aha.

18:31

i guess i should start a special service. "for only one small pile of internet funbux, i will viciously insult one commenter on your blog entirely out of left side. cheaper than hiring indians to write comments, funnier too."

18:32

lol you'd be oversubscribed and end up closing mpex to focus on this "real work"

18:33

yeah i guess ima have to keep doing it on an amateur basis.

18:33

god this hotel lounge is fucking perfect, even if this old fashioned is watered down

18:34

mircea_popescu even funbux corrupt. prolly better this way.

18:35

cazalla BingoBoingo http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/fredrik-neij-pirate-bay-co-founder-arrested-in-thailand-1.2822840

18:35

Fredrik Neij, Pirate Bay co-founder, arrested in Thailand - World - CBC News

18:35

^ thestringpuller

18:35

o.O

18:36

did anyone try to send patches as decribed on btc-dev page?

18:36

several days ago

18:36

it worked so i didn't poke at it further

18:36

ben_vulpes: but i added the rules only yesterday

18:37

ben_vulpes and what about the move to 0xdeadbeef.org or such?

18:37

"Regional Immigration Police Commissioner Maj. Gen. Chartchai Eimsaeng said a U.S.-based movie association had hired a Thai lawyer to search for Neij, and his photo had been given to immigration police in Nong Khai." herp.

18:37

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ben_vulpes cries

18:37

so many things

18:37

w/r/t domain, do you have nameservers

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?

18:37

i can set up

18:38

plz do then tell mircea_popescu what they are and (pretty please) he will configure records appropriately

18:39

what is the domain exactly?

18:39

f9beb4d9.org

18:40

mircea_popescu, i have a look later this arvo, things to do this morning

18:41

!up themediator

18:41

mircea_popescu: why not decide alberta is from now on 600ad byzantine style. << because progress. it's completely tragic how badly alberta's original building stock has been treated. perfectly lovely neoclassical buildings are now surface parking lots.

18:42

and in 600ad, even 1850ad, it was just... teepees

18:42

teepees are better for the environment!

18:43

make them out of plastic!

18:44

or the skins of your enemies. either way

18:44

ben_vulpes jurov dns updated.

18:46

sweet! ty mircea_popescu

18:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00073218 = 21.6725 BTC [-]

18:48

to think we made fun of 796.com

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!b 1

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123

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http://bitbet.us/bet/1059/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-feb-2015-to/#c4217 << lawlsky!

18:57

BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015 :: 4.11 B (46%) on Yes, 4.77 B (54%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 76`078 (100`000 to 1)

18:58

cult << incidentally, mathematics (as a professional or even amateur pursuit) fits more or less every extant definition of 'cult'

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(just one example)

18:59

interesting to note

19:00

the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment

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but was filled in the past (e.g., pythagoras)

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probably one in a generation/century/millenium type of thing

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http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu

19:01

The Mathematics Genealogy Project - Welcome!

19:01

^ behold and quiver.

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(spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.')

19:02

if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0, make factories everywhere and have them pay the bills

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asciilifeform l0lz at serenissima cult essay, where he is listed as 'expert'

19:05

so jurov, how do i transfer my s.qntra to coinbr? id by incoming btc address?

19:05

pete, just id here and pm me your acct

19:06

;;ident

19:06

Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None

19:07

not like someone will hijack your irc just to steal qntra crumbs

19:07

today's btc pizza crumbs are tomorrow's empire!

19:07

everyone loves a live fire test

19:08

google usenet search dead?!

19:09

old posts load, but no way afaik to find them now.

19:09

i suppose this was inevitable. the moldbug generation wants to run for u.s. office...

19:09

asciilifeform you weren't supposed to read that!

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!b 4

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seekrit expert is best expert

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lol i meant the cult expert bit. a well

19:14

ben_vulpes: for some reason saying no is harder in -assets. << cult!

19:15

<asciilifeform> the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment << was shockley's transistor a cult ?

19:16

incidentally, one of the most cultish cults were the ancient order of pythagoreans

19:16

even had a convention to blame it all on satoshi.

19:16

mentioned for this reason.

19:16

sqrt(2) !

19:16

shit you said that already. nm.

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!b 5

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asciilifeform> (spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.') << in this sense, the hungarian number = crude wot.

19:18

aha.

19:19

pete_dushenski "you can never say only say true things" eh ?

19:19

jurov apparently he wants to tattoo it on his body too.

19:19

yea i heard it

19:19

something something magic packets something something internet funbutts.

19:20

re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens.

19:20

spoilsports and haters, all of you

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even the successful crackpots (at least, the ones publicly known about) were never more than a few steps away from a 'trunk line' wot mentor.

19:21

question for the group :

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not that this is any kind of gurantee. s. ramanujan is a tragic figure for a reason.

19:21

if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ?

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asciilifeform sizes up for 'spoilsports and haters, all of you' tatoo

19:22

mircea_popescu well, that's embarassing...

19:22

not that many penises around long enough for that. maybe if in chinese script ?

19:23

end up with "dogsons of broken soup bowl" or something.

19:23

microdot.

19:23

qr code

19:23

or base58 hash

19:23

pubic qr codes, with porn in them

19:23

that's happening.

19:24

<thestringpuller> if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0 << srsly, you too ?!

19:24

at the risk of bringing everyone back to childhood msdos 'hello world': what's the smallest bitwise recognizable porn?

19:24

any encoding.

19:24

( . ) ( . )

19:24

<mircea_popescu> if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ? < b

19:24

P

19:24

8=>

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that's not long enough to be porn

19:25

69

19:25

also it's spelled 8==D

19:25

nope, that's a sapper's spade.

19:25

my point exactly.

19:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00072836 = 10.197 BTC [-]

19:25

Gotta dig out all of those panty mines

19:26

BingoBoingo owns a sapper spade?

19:26

there's an american firm, iirc, that makes passable copies of the classic ru one

19:26

summary of pete_dushenski last piece : "cult member casually examines the possibility of being in a cult, comes back negative."

19:26

http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-4498 << saf is on a roll atm. loving these comments

19:26

Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

19:26

mircea_popescu ayup.

19:27

asciilifeform: Have two poor quality "trenching tools" have a strong preference for actual shovels though.

19:27

BingoBoingo: avoid the ones with folding handles.

19:27

mircea_popescu that means it's still working, neh?

19:27

lol fishy smell

19:27

Oh, how I've learned that, worthless for unburying potatoes

19:28

tuna doesn't smell like fish!

19:28

BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable.

19:28

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: look at Detroit: high taxes, city is crumbling - Detroit Suburbs: lower taxes, flourishing

19:28

tuna smells like moose?

19:28

PeterL you don't understand how the world works!

19:28

pete_dushenski tuna doesn't smell. everything else does.

19:28

enlighten me?

19:29

amines.

19:29

PeterL it's an expression, referencing the case when putin handed obimbo's butt to him for the nth time and the english propaganda yelled "putin doesn't understand how the world works!"

19:29

<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable. << Depends on the size of field, and on whether or not portage enhancers are available

19:29

mircea_popescu well if i came back positive in my assessment, i'd send myself down the post-partum path. wasn't really in the mood for that.

19:30

BingoBoingo: knapsack.

19:30

pete_dushenski better question for your next one : is being a libtard a cult ? how about dating, is that a cult ?

19:30

plenty of cults abound!

19:30

'is it still a cult if the comet is parked in orbit and the magical juice will take you there?'

19:31

;;google treason never prospers for the reason

19:31

Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper ...: <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnharrin117920.html>; Treason - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Treason>; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Harington_(inventor)>

19:31

PeterL use example, dude tries to open a door by bashing his head against it. bystander "that's not how you open doors" other bystander to first bystander "you don't understand how the world works!"

19:31

mircea_popescu not sure about dating but libtardism, scientism, nationalism... examples are endless

19:31

<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: knapsack. << When restricted to a knapsack I dunno that digging anything bigger than a hole to bury turds should be a bigger priority than evading the force restricting you to a knapsack

19:32

BingoBoingo: man with sapper spade can entrench himself in less than an hour.

19:32

and dig his own grave in ~2.

19:32

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number << mathematicians' wot

19:32

Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

19:33

dig his grave << they usually give you the spade.

19:33

jurov yeah, "the hungarian number"

19:33

<jurov> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number << mathematicians' wot << My two math professors in Undergrad were a 3, and a Nope

19:33

Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

19:34

what's a 'nope' ? never published at all?

19:34

http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ quoth pete_dushenski the acolyte :

19:34

Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

19:34

asciilifeform: Never published anything co-authored, because he was in a weird niche

19:34

Then, as always happens when one is freed from the banality of the familiar, I found myself with some spare time during a vacation in Mazatlán. Then, there, just like that, the pieces began falling into place. I actually sat down to read the #b-a logs and there I saw conversations unfolding before my very eyes that gave context to Trilema, that gave context to Bitcoin, and that were were so tearfully, blessedly, beaut

19:34

ifully over my head that I couldnt read anything else for weeks. As someone always hunting for an intellectually challenge, Id never seen anything even remotely like #b-a. At once technical, philosophical, political, and outrageous, it was like a gift wrapped for someone else, and yet just for me.

19:35

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asciilifeform has seen 'anything even remotely like #b-a.' but they're all dead.

19:35

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!b 1

19:35

i has seen idem, idem.

19:36

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pete_dushenski accepts mircea_popescu's pat on head

19:36

graciously!

19:36

when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat?

19:37

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BingoBoingo had in addition to math prof with Erdos of nope, an econ professor with an office in the loft of the campus's old barn

19:37

asciilifeform stop trying to break things and write me an email.

19:37

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asciilifeform hopes he isn't the only one to get the ref

19:37

asciilifeform> when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat? << I have a feeling this is like weaponized bitcoind, if you have it best to keep it concealed

19:38

"The new Foundation, the new deeds system, a real Bitcoin news site, and more" << only the stuff of the past month gets a mention because the previous stuff is so ingrained by now it's like a skin.

19:38

typically cultish behaviour.

19:39

salience!

19:40

shit fuck piss motherfucker and tits! this bastard called me insane! YOU DARE SAY INSANITY OF OUR PRODUCTIVE INSTITUTION ?!?!?!

19:40

METEORS!

19:40

what was that oglaf with "god is on their side" btw ?

19:40

oglaf needs better indexing

19:41

<******> as long as there are tools, there will be people using them poorly << i give up

19:41

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pete_dushenski enjoys watching his 3k word epic unfold in real-time

19:41

http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/

19:41

Assorted Fruits of Wrath

19:41

BingoBoingo totally.

19:41

people cannot be saved form themselves.

19:41

ben_vulpes who said that ?

19:42

he's not in a logged channel, i'll refrain from sharing his handle.

19:42

nobody who's ever been in here though.

19:43

!up girevik

19:43

ah kk.

19:43

ima steal it then, to me it sounds like something i'd say.

19:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34785 @ 0.00072886 = 25.3534 BTC [+] {2}

19:44

i bring this elk in tribute

19:44

"Hes one of the most masterful wielders of words" << you got a ways to go foxy! check out pete's offerings!

19:45

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!b 2

19:46

so i was with this chick earlier, her parents had the weird idea of calling her Modesty

19:46

and she was all "oh mp what a great cock you have!"

19:46

jus' sayin' for the record.

19:46

mircea_popescu: You've got a reply http://qntra.net/2014/11/commissioner-mark-wetjen-cftc-would-have-authority-to-bring-enforcement-actions-against/#comment-1353

19:46

Commissioner Mark Wetjen: "CFTC Would Have Authority To Bring Enforcement Actions Against.. | Qntra.net

19:47

shit comment index at 1.3k already ?

19:47

if this thing ends up surpassing trilema ima be well pissy.

19:47

Well spam comments... Ham comments at 416

19:48

i have nfi what that dude's saying.

19:49

I think maybe it's a spambot that saw a word and forgot to link to Ugg boots or Nike's

19:49

Or there's a wild markov chain

19:49

pete_dushenski im gonna have this read weekly in the harem, outloud. just ftr.

19:50

mircea_popescu

19:51

mircea_popescu don't twist my words now

19:51

the point of this wasn't to pump your fucking tires

19:51

god knows you need that like penguins need more snow

19:51

;;google chubby checker

19:51

Chubby Checker - The Official Site: <https://www.chubbychecker.com/>; Chubby Checker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chubby_Checker>; Chubby Checker - Biography - Singer - Biography.com: <http://www.biography.com/people/chubby-checker-9542332>

19:51

!up AdrianoOliveira

19:51

pete_dushenski: Maybe you need to consider whose ego you stroke, before you go a stroking an ego...

19:52

the stroking of the ego brings monsters.

19:52

mircea_popescu anyways, i look forward to seeing it acted, off-script, next time i'm in town

19:52

it's a harem not a bordello yo!

19:52

mircea_popescu: if this thing ends up surpassing trilema ima be well pissy. << why? ~_~ you technically willed it's existence.

19:53

thestringpuller i can still be pissy!

19:53

mircea_popescu we obviously have different ideas of how a harim should work ;)

19:53

lol do tell

19:54

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BingoBoingo wonders if pete_dushenski did his turkish homework yet

19:54

pete, our resident pimp

19:54

mircea_popescu what's to tell? acting, staging, and memorizing are not optional.

19:54

basic skillz

19:55

every bit as useful as a sense of humour and a second language

19:55

actually bellydancing's a basic skill.

19:55

and rope escape.

19:55

BingoBoingo i won't say my homework's done just yet

19:56

and swallowing. cyanide or otherwise

19:56

(you think tying a chick down is easy ? try it sometime! it;s fucking impossible if you're determined not to hurt her)

19:56

mircea_popescu big hands help here

19:56

you can use one of yours to hold down two of hers

19:56

i don't mean that part.

19:57

if you're talking slavegirl, you can just order her to move around as needed. but still it's not trivial.

19:58

few hours' practice with this will make pretty much any western film involving tying anyone unwatchable.

19:58

that "put some rope on them, they're imobilized now" convention doesn't really work irl.

19:59

tie indian to traintracks, etc.

20:00

western i mean as opposed to japanese.

20:06

!up csshih

20:06

csshih

sup

20:06

not much.

20:07

csshih: What's your online retailer again?

20:07

csshih

illumn.com

20:07

pete_dushenski "an efficient means to an ends"

20:07

hx

20:09

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BingoBoingo bookmarks site, because x-mas is coming in 4 months or some shit

20:09

lol one and half

20:09

two weeks!

20:09

csshih

haha

20:10

mircea_popescu scrap "efficient" ?

20:10

pete_dushenski fix the an plural.

20:11

now "an efficient mean to an end"

20:11

uh

20:11

means!

20:11

still dun sound right. means is like police, plural only.

20:12

one end... many means

20:12

no it's actually effervescent mean

20:12

it'd be pretty rad if people were like "and then this single polic jumped me"

20:13

historical footnote, "police" was the first word i could actually spell other than my own name

20:13

such law abidement

20:13

i am surprised you could spell your own name

20:13

i still can't.

20:13

mircea_popescu i can spell your name, just can't pronounce it!

20:14

nfi how long it took me to spell my surname

20:14

:p

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i imagine indian kids have it the worst. i've seen some pretty gnarly shit.

20:14

though my grandpa got a kick out of my counting to 10 in romanian this weekend. correct pronounciation and all :D

20:15

o hey wd.

20:15

so then ce in mircea, ce in zece, same ce.

20:15

achtung mircea_popescu. broadcast in.

20:15

nicht gefingerpoken!

20:16

mittengrabben.

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mircea_popescu lol i learned it auditorally so spelling wasn't a problem

20:19

relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten!

20:19

Uber discriminates in the worst way http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/11/04/uber_price_surging_on_halloween_does_it_take_unfair_advantage_of_drunk_people.html

20:19

Uber price surging on Halloween: Does it take unfair advantage of drunk people?

20:20

bounce, die blinkenlichten

20:20

it's plural

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bounce adds a [sic] and a (whoosh)

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or maybe something else, as it's akuzativ

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bounce will now out throw jurov and kick him anderswhere!

20:21

lol

20:22

arschloch!

20:22

schweinhund.

20:22

hande hoch!

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asciilifeform exhausted his deutsch

20:24

poloch!

20:24

die kanonenkugel macht ein weit grosseres noch!

20:25

eh everybody knows that one.

20:25

lol

20:25

frederiiiicus reeex...

20:25

*

jurov wirft eingige mozartkugeln and mircea_popescu

20:25

*einige

20:26

*ans

20:26

lukschen kugel.

20:26

unser artillerie hat ein vortrefflich kaliber!

20:32

wir sind vom idiotenklub/ und laden herzlich ein/

20:33

;;google idiotenclublied

20:33

No matches found.

20:33

no fucking wai.

20:33

google is just too SMRT

20:33

;;google idiotenklublied

20:33

No matches found.

20:33

;;google idiotenklub

20:33

Smith & Smart - Idiotenclub - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c6azSMGmOw>; IDIOTENCLUB - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/user/IDIOTENCLUB2>; omas idiotenclub - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPW3Fic2OoM>

20:34

hm

20:36

http://griechenmaedchen.jimdo.com/liedgut/das-idiotenclublied/

20:36

Das Idiotenclublied - na wenn das so ist, dann prost!

20:36

well it does exist upon digging

20:37

obligatory: tigerfibel.

20:38

http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/#comment-4505 << lol thestringpuller calls out the cardano!

20:38

Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

20:39

give the man his money back.

20:39

oh wait

20:39

http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/

20:39

BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (41%) on Yes, 1.53 B (59%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 23`611 (100`000 to 1)

20:40

Who seriously knew last year's ship date was a distraction while a whole fucking factory was being built in the swamp?

20:40

who knew indeed

20:41

more of a phactory.

20:41

phuctory!

20:41

potty mouth

20:41

BingoBoingo this is a good point

20:43

But, still. Did asciilifeform actually reinvent the Luer lock, or was S.NSA working on darker magic already? These are the mysteries to be unveiled after the war is won.

20:43

luer lock off the shelf!

20:43

[trust-update] added: johntraveller

20:44

ferglubssake, i write the broadcasts, does anybody read'em?

20:45

Of course they get read. It's just... luer lock being a thing with a name I could have swore was the rare s.nsa detail that in the statement could have been shelf pointed to sooner if more transparent.

20:46

*

asciilifeform failed to parse above

20:46

Still, starfish virginity is a concern

20:46

http://tomtunguz.com/cooley-valuation-data/

еггог!

20:46

mike_c

20:46

*

BingoBoingo might have switched to write only mode. spent the morning driving distances. Brain is still recovering.

20:46

mike_c

bezzle money is cheap

20:50

thai time. later!

20:51

reddit police noticed the bitcoin foundation

20:52

if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed

20:52

but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed?

20:53

jurov: did anything happen?

20:53

how did cloudflare respond?

20:54

i dont have cloudflare but aws. nothing really happened, it just paints nice graphs

20:54

<asciilifeform> but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed? << You forget the most dangerous police variety in most US states, the fish and game cop.

20:55

They almost always get to presume probably cause in search

21:00

oh.

21:01

http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/405686 << re: ancient mircea_popescu thread

21:01

[3.13.y.z,extended,stable] Patch "sparc64: Fix FPU register corruption with AES crypto offload." has been added to staging queue - Patchwork

21:01

sorry i mean cloudfront i think

21:01

almost too tired to think

21:04

yes cloudfront... but they seem to unable to sustain even their feeble attempts

21:04

going to sleep..goodnight!

21:13

tee hee. amuse.

21:24

http://gawker.com/alex-from-target-was-a-fake-marketing-ploy-1654748438 << Case study in "social" "media"

21:24

Alex From Target Was Just a Marketing Ploy :(

21:30

<asciilifeform> oh wait << omfg stan sarcasm ?

21:31

BingoBoingo: I hear from folks who would know in Ohio that the most competent police there are the fish & game cops

21:31

<jurov> if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed <<< i imagine this sounds better in german :D

21:32

that's kinda idiomatic

21:33

decimation: Well, here in Illinois they get all kinds of powers to do warrantless searches

21:33

"Teen Twitter (the most powerful force in the universe)" << really ?

21:33

what universe is that, the soda fountain ?

21:34

mircea_popescu: No, the which star/starlet can we push to break the cocaine imbibed by 23 record universe

21:35

anyway, gawker, nov 4th. "But it's hard to tell if anyone is even real anymore." mp, sep 13th "I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person."

21:35

such coincidences.

21:38

!up Vexual

21:38

hi

21:38

evening

21:38

Ben I must thank you for getting me back on grapes

21:39

they're lovely

21:41

<mircea_popescu> such coincidences. << Well, more than even killing Coindesk isn't a point of Qntra ending gawker?

21:42

something like: Wenn ich nicht den Alarm aufgestellt habe, würde ich es nicht bemerkt.

21:43

How did gawker become "a thing"?

21:43

I understand Wired. But gawker not so much.

21:45

thestringpuller: Basically in the 1990's Nick Denton amassed a warchest of bezzel bucks. Then he hired bored housewife to stalk celebrities for initial traffic. After that sustaining gawker was a matter of keeping the bills paid.

21:47

The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation

21:49

it is important to note the present incarnation of that crowd was not sparked by HUffington, Digg, or Reddit, but in Nick Denton's constant reinvestment in Gawker media.

21:55

asciilifeform: re: verizon dns << didn't they announce that they would helpfully insert friendly cookies in your http stream?

21:55

BingoBoingo: it would be interesting to have a directory (with pictures) of those who call the shots in the media today

21:56

;;later tell mircea_popescu did you mean to put an "https" link for the Qntra link on the prospectus on the MPEx listing?

21:56

The operation succeeded.

21:57

decimation: Maybe once I set up a homestead in more civilized lands

21:58

where are you going?

21:58

No idea yet.

21:59

Prolly Titan. Maybe Mars.

22:00

If Buterin's waterfall takes too long to dry prolly some land that habla Castellano

22:02

decimation: unrelated. that was an ip over wireless thing

22:02

decimation: this - straight redirect to spmoogle

22:02

Over 60 mn Ether sold!!!! Amazing!

22:02

AMAZING COMPANY!

22:03

thestringpuller actually, no.

22:04

thanks for pointing out!

22:04

<BingoBoingo> The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation << hm. sort of like anti-drudge ?

22:05

mircea_popescu: Worse. Drudge didn't spend the entire 1990's getting merit washed.

22:06

!up sine

22:06

!up sinetek

22:14

lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lb0ch/a_year_ago_today/

22:14

A year ago today : Bitcoin

22:18

BingoBoingo: so he's kinda like the walter lippmann of this era?

22:20

decimation: I think of Denton more as the mirror image of the Koch Brothers, but that's a very imperfect correspondence.

22:21

Denton writes rarely, but when he does criticizes Gawker authors for their economic liberalism.

22:27

has anyone here upgraded to openbsd 5.6?

22:32

decimation: Not yet, will order disks this month, prolly

22:41

So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning?

22:41

unfortunately is worth mentioning.

22:41

why so unfortunate?

22:42

just as usg is worth mentioning.

22:42

actually we had a fun occasion for mentioning c recently.

22:42

TheNewDeal: http://qntra.net/2014/11/7th-underhanded-c-contest-going-on-now/

22:42

7th Underhanded C Contest Going on Now | Qntra.net

22:42

!s underhanded c contest

22:42

10 results for 'underhanded c contest' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=underhanded+c+contest

22:42

aha

22:43

don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk.

22:43

and mine, and his.

22:43

Don't worry everyone has until new years day to learn C and enter

22:43

<asciilifeform> don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk. << It's everywhere

22:44

dear glub, 'learn c', k&r 1st ed. is what, 80 pages?

22:44

what in the hell does that mean?

22:46

it means that even 'competent' c programmers are playing.

22:46

is it akin to what Naggum was saying on C++ , that it's too tough for people to handle?

22:46

And the hardware plays back

22:47

'too tough for people' is a poor angle. there are people who can lift a 'volkswagen.'

22:47

!up devthedev Hello devthedev

22:47

Hey BingoBoingo

22:47

devthedev: get your shares?

22:48

*

asciilifeform thought k&r 1st ed. was on the #b-a required reading shelf, or the like.

22:48

Yes sir

22:48

But there's not hundreds of thousands of people going around writing "Can lift a volkswagen efficiently" on their CV

22:48

I recommend this book too http://archive.arstechnica.com/etc/books/deep-c.html

22:48

^^

22:48

yes!

22:48

it's a real riot.

22:48

asciilifeform: what's awrong with 2nd edition?

22:48

full of bell labs c lore

22:49

yeah reading that book improved my C coding because it explained wtf was going on and why

22:49

2nd edition << bloat

22:49

satan preserve us from 2nd editions.

22:49

K&R is how I learned C. So no complaints.

22:49

i like to call it 'koraktor'

22:49

;;google koraktor

22:49

koraktor: <http://koraktor.de/>; koraktor (Sebastian Staudt) · GitHub: <https://github.com/koraktor>; koraktor/steam-condenser · GitHub: <https://github.com/koraktor/steam-condenser>

22:50

fail.

22:50

*

asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google

22:51

how about assembly languages?

22:51

what about them?

22:51

MMIX?

22:51

not mentioned in the programming discussion

22:51

sure they were.

22:51

e.g., http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55

22:51

Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.

22:51

I took a class that was all about MIPS, but it got over my head at the end. I was a mech engr stuck in a class of comp sci students

22:52

C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly

22:52

on pdp-10.

22:52

!up Vexual

22:52

devthedev: didn't you make a news site?

22:53

Yes

22:53

i forgot what it is

22:53

I was planning on writing for CryptoDeck less formally, more for fun and qntra more formally but I kinda got burnt out.

22:54

BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2014/11/wind-river-security-crypto.pdf << what wind river was dinged for

22:54

devthedev: I can tell. Last article published was Oct. 17. lol

22:54

BingoBoingo: afaik they self-volunteered for gassing (for no reason i know of)

22:55

supposedly they were treated 'lightly' because they volunteered

22:56

lol they were dinged for exporting ipsec?

22:57

thestringpuller: I may just sell it, I don't have as much time as I'd like to devote to it.

22:57

what is there to sell? do you have contributors?

22:57

Negative

22:58

tyranny - usg fines a company for exporting that which is easily downloadable everywhere. anarchy - usg pretends it cannot investigate welfare fraud

22:58

It would be just the domain essentially.

22:59

<devthedev> It would be just the domain essentially. << Problem is the first 5 letters of the domain are too popular

22:59

asciilifeform did you ever get you hands on one of those first ibm branded xts?

23:01

my first computer was an epson XT knockoff

23:01

decimation: me too!!!!!

23:01

as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's

23:01

I still have it. It's all boxed up. I just need a PS/1 keyboard but those are hard to find.

23:01

yeah this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csBJKaZSg9A

23:01

Epson Apex Plus Turbo XT computer (1988) - YouTube

23:02

it was the best thing my family bought me, I learned dos, played kings quest & space quest, learned to write in wordperfect

23:04

decimation: http://thepcmuseum.net/comp_images/photo_EpsonEquity1+.JPG << that was mine

23:04

ibm knockoff/clone

23:05

taught me batch scripts and dos

23:05

eventually qbasic

23:05

my dad had a 'real' ibm AT at work, I was impressed by the built-like-a-tank chassis

23:08

they were quickly liberated from govenment offices here

23:09

*

BingoBoingo bought a Mac Classic for $10

23:10

decimation: IBM keyboard's kinda rule even to this day.

23:10

yeah I use a knockoff (unicomp) myself

23:11

yea I used one of those. I wanna get the one with the mouse in the middle (like on the think-pads) for my desktop.

23:11

co workers hated the clicking but damn it was a slick keyboard

23:12

if you search the logs there are pointers to folks who have hardware projects that interface ibm ps/2 keyboards made in the 80's to usb

23:16

<TheNewDeal> So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning? <<< c is really not ~that~ bad.

23:16

!up sadekjake

23:16

not as bad as the usg?

23:17

sadekjake hey there.

23:17

on a scale of 0 to usg how turdified is it?

23:17

!up devthedev

23:18

TheNewDeal people generally hate c++ for reasons and c by extension.

23:18

arguably c doesn't do much to help the programmer not be stupid. then again, it doesn't actually force them to be dumb. sort of like asm, and nobody really hates asm.

23:18

hello Mircea

23:18

do you see my msg?

23:19

nope.

23:19

i have neever used an IRC before

23:19

o.O

23:19

how do i send you a pm?

23:20

well, i just sent you one, should be a tab opened somewhere next to where it says #bitcoin-assets

23:26

'c' does not force man to be dumb. but hardly anyone actually gets to program in 'c.' normally folks program in c+libs

23:27

libs authored by, in many cases, what can only be down's syndrome cases

23:28

a few years ago I tried to make an edit to wikipedia's 'climate change' entry. a similar down's syndrome case guards that page - immediately reverting any non-libtard edit

23:29

!up dgeats

23:29

c >> obligatory >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html

23:29

Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive

23:29

at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C

23:30

perhaps in the future it will not be so

23:30

'...and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating system did what it was asked to do every damn time you ask it to do anything actually give any relevant form of support to anyone?'

23:30

asciilifeform: but, that's new jersey style!

23:31

decimation: at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C << unfortunately not a lot of people learn C in what you may call "computer science education" (or is so named)

23:31

!up dgeats

23:31

!up Jondo

23:31

decimation you don't understand. for him, matter of life and death. that's how he eats.

23:31

dgeats

!up BingoBoingo, happy to be here

23:32

thestringpuller: education << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#626237

23:32

Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean

23:32

haha cute one.

23:32

(anyone still awake, straight to that dusty thread)

23:32

yeah "C" was going out of style when I graduated in the early 2000's, CS was converting to full-java

23:32

asciilifeform: this is pretty much the stance. you have to seek it out, if you want to learn it. I guess what they are producing are not programmers at that point?

23:33

1nf0rm4t10n t3chn0log1stz!

23:33

or something.

23:33

scary.

23:33

one wonders what the point of using open source OS's would be if you can't read C

23:34

much easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS

23:34

the point, when there is a point, generally has nothing to do with reading

23:34

mostly pure zoological revulsion at microshit

23:35

thestringpuller: Google's Android has a linux kernel and BSD libc

23:35

easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS << beg to differ.

23:35

under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c

23:35

heh yeah there are so many distro's and tard-libraries in linux

23:37

asciilifeform: here's the link for what you are getting at: http://www.colorforth.com/POL.htm " Now we get down the the nitty-gritty. This is our first clash with the establishment. The conventionsl approach, enforced to a greater or lesser extent, is that you shall use a standard subroutine. I say that you should write your own subroutines. "

23:37

403 Forbidden

23:37

asciilifeform: i think when I was 9 it was like 4 weeks allowance to get Borland or whatever C compiler they were selling at the time.

23:38

thestringpuller: guess how much i and everybody i knew paid.

23:38

0

23:38

ah, the good ol' stack of floppies

23:38

decimation: this sounds like top-grade batshit to 'civilians', who don't normally understand how simple (from algorithmic standpoint) everything they usually want out of the machine, really is

23:38

one of my friends would call AOL every day for a free "introductory" floppy every day

23:39

most of what programmers do, is really grunt labour to work around the mistakes of earlier programmers.

23:39

folks who realize this, eventually 'turn perelman'

23:39

<asciilifeform> under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c << because, again, if i want to kil a ms-dos dependency I DELETE THE FILE

23:39

and we don't hear from them

23:39

motherfucking apt-get.

23:39

aha.

23:40

yeah it's really really tiresome to live in someone else's fucktarded world

23:40

just....fucking....detele the file.

23:40

omg why should it be so hard.

23:40

because $LD_LIBRARY_PATH

23:40

dgeats

!up @assbot

23:41

fuck that shit with pikes.

23:41

butbutbutt... it could be on a locked nfs volume! it could be on an abacus wielded by retarded child! etc

23:41

NO

23:41

asciilifeform: actually this is an interesting point. Why does every platform insist on dynamic libraries?

23:41

cargo-cult imitation of real computer.

23:41

somehow Mr. Moore can write a chip-design tool in a few hundred lines of forth

23:42

yet it takes like 50 megabytes to instantiate Xeyes?

23:42

fuckthatshitomfg

23:42

yeah, I guess in this case the 'cargo-cult' is building a wooden global namespace

23:42

*

mircea_popescu spazzes

23:42

and it takes a supercomputer, of a kind not even yet built, to write a word processor where there are no palpable delays when entering a character. if you believe microshit.

23:43

but my 8088 did that running at 8 mhz in wordperfect

23:43

aha.

23:43

decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300

23:43

Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds.

23:44

heh yeah that was a favorite post

23:44

^ Macs at one point almost really were real computers

23:44

BingoBoingo: long, long ago.

23:44

"But suppose everyone wrote their own subroutines? Isn't that a step backward; away from the millenium when our programs are machine independent, when we all write in the same language, maybe even on the same computer? Let me take a stand: I can't solve the problems of the world. With luck, I can write a good program. "

23:44

this is probably the most rational approach toward the modern c-machine

23:45

fucking hell.

23:45

why the fuck would "we". jesus burn every text with we in it already.

23:45

we my food.

23:45

foot*

23:45

asciilifeform: Well, then they sold their soul to IBM

23:46

maybe our fucking should be all machi^H^H^H^H^H woman independent also ?

23:46

maybe we should all jack off with the same stroke ?!

23:46

*

mircea_popescu spazzes some more

23:47

as a student, i was once told by a greybeard: 'you're young, but know that you have X lines of code in you. after that - log cabin.'

↖ ↖

23:47

he was, of course, optimist

23:47

often, 'after that' is something more like pistol fellatio

23:47

i didn't grok what he said, at the time, naturally

23:47

i enjoy writing the little code i do write.

23:47

that's the trick.

23:48

the enjoy or the little ?

23:48

I want someone to draw a cartoon: young man approaches greybeard lounging under a tree: greybeard - why do you laze instead of being productive? - He says: you try to make something useful - off the young one goes through trial and tribulation - eventually, ending up under a tree.

23:48

'little' -> 'enjoy'

23:48

!up devthedev

23:49

*: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it.

23:49

!s kyristor

23:49

5 results for 'kyristor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kyristor

23:50

^ sword in stone for unknown heroes to be born

23:50

all these fucktards with the "blockchain technology" have no fucking idea even what the technology actually is

23:50

monkeys in the jungle, "shiny wings technology".

23:50

yeah, im sure that's why the plane flies.

23:50

'technology' - just a word to them.

23:50

<mircea_popescu> *: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it. << Caled it when you asked about crawling millions of urls

23:50

Next time I'll sign the hash of the prediction

23:51

lol

23:51

*

asciilifeform knows of no reason why wot-search needs to crawl anything

23:51

decimation: C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly <<< this is actually pretty much it.

23:51

*

asciilifeform pictures wot search as a graph traversal of personal 'bookmark' collections of wot-people

23:51

asciilifeform: yeah the "crawlers" are human beings

23:51

assembly << of pdp-10. see naggum's piece earlier.

23:52

asciilifeform just like cars are a steel banded joining of the walking of people ?

23:52

lol

23:52

at some point you gotta put an engine in there somewhere.

23:52

extant cpu archs are quite unlike pdp-10. internally, of course. 90+% of the Si real estate is then used up in papering over this to build a convincing simulacrum of 'c' machine.

23:53

so if an idiot tells you that 'c' is 'naturally close to platonic hardware' - you have my official blessing (tm) to kick his face in.

23:53

do ellaborate.

23:53

e.g., translation lookaside buffer cache on intel.

23:53

the page table.

23:54

automatic instruction re-ordering.

23:54

decimation: as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's << ahh, the days when a shitty mouse was 100 bux.

23:54

(intel tried shipping a gizmo without it, now it is known affectionately as 'the itanic')

23:54

i could go on, but this could fill a book.

23:54

da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be

23:55

an imaginary animal that lives in the skulls of folks who talk about 'close to the hardware? that means c of course'

23:55

mircea_popescu> da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be << Aristotle's natal cleft

23:55

in your room-sized FPGA, there is probably a spot for a few 'risc' finite automata

23:55

decimation: there could be room found for an entire period reproduction of intel 486, for when the mood to play 'doom' strikes you.

23:56

point is, it is possible to build electronics that are actually programmable.

23:57

turd should be legible to the .js deniers http://www.bnd.com/2014/11/04/3492961/enyart-bost-bradshaw-vie-for-congressional.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1

23:57

Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat

23:57

in some of my articles, i mention a concept called 'design space.' it, approximately, means, the set of engineering decisions that are thinkable at a given time.

23:57

in many ways it behaves like a non-renewable mineral resource.

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except, unlike petrogoodies, it is possible to get design space back just by 'wanting enough.'

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