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00:36 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/09/02/peso-watch-end-augustopen-september/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch: End August/Open September
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04:23 spyked ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman!
04:27 spyked http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932832 <-- hm. when I debugged feedbot, 1st thing I checked was how precisely it disconnects; found out that it was the ping-thread consistently calling ircbot-reconnect, which means that it timed out, i.e. [http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/ircbot/c-ircbot.lisp.html#L91][ircbot-handle-pong
04:27 ossabot Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
04:27 spyked ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)
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04:28 spyked ircbot-handle-pong, that is.
04:33 spyked imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.
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04:33 ossabot Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true
04:33 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?
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05:10 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933146 - np
05:10 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-02 04:39:29 spyked: ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman!
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13:53 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/09/macri-begins-implementing-capital-controls-as-foreign-currency-reserves-exhaust/ << Qntra -- Macri Begins Implementing Capital Controls As Foreign Currency Reserves Exhaust
13:56 BingoBoingo ^ The pretense lasted a full 21 days before they went to to being retarded in the ways they were before. New boss, same as they old boss.
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15:04 mircea_popescu keks
15:04 mircea_popescu inb4 http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/ hurr durr v2.0
15:12 BingoBoingo And yet the derps protest "But Buenos Aires is so clean! Buenos Aires has a METRO!"; I counter protest they've gutted and crippled every industry they tried to the point all they do is groom each other an ride the metro.
15:13 BingoBoingo If you're going to sell a groom each other economy, the main streets better look clean.
15:13 mircea_popescu fucking ridoinculous.
15:13 mircea_popescu their metro is possibly the worst in the world.
15:14 mircea_popescu belarus even has better.
15:14 mircea_popescu nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare.
15:14 BingoBoingo The Montevideans are just butthurt actually trying to build a metro on in the local basalt would bankrupt anyone.
15:16 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare. << Uruguay looks filthier than it ought to because the "Banco Provision Social" levies taxes on contructions and building work. Counted among these taxed works is... PAINTING
15:16 mircea_popescu dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.
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15:17 mircea_popescu are you fucking kidding me ? there's no place in europe or the us, or mexico or fucking anywhere nearly as filthy,
15:17 mircea_popescu there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,
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15:17 mircea_popescu it'
15:17 mircea_popescu s just filth central.
15:19 BingoBoingo The latinos appear to make their claim off of the area near the obelisk which they conveniently have pictures of.
15:19 mircea_popescu it is not true re area around obelisk. i lived there, for like a year, literally on the block 1 of corrientes, within 50m of the actual obelisk.
15:19 mircea_popescu also have pictures.
15:20 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: So get ready for the punchline. The ground is NOT in their pictures!
15:20 mircea_popescu the downtown is ~especially~ filthy, at that.
15:20 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, heh
15:21 mircea_popescu i suppose the air is cleaner than in, say, bogota. on account of all of argentina having less industry than bogota.
15:22 BingoBoingo Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"
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15:22 BingoBoingo But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough
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15:22 mircea_popescu why don't they, anyway ?
15:23 BingoBoingo Because the filters would cost something like ~500 USD per bus and the current Fat Forehead cardboard artist regime would rather derp about "all electric any time nao"
15:23 mircea_popescu meh
15:24 mircea_popescu and then the electricity, they're gonna make on coal fired plants or what.
15:24 mircea_popescu eucalyptus
15:25 BingoBoingo Right now Uruguay's a hyrdro country with some wind wank. There's rivers here. There's no coal though, only basalt. Finns recently committed to pulping the Eucalyptus.
15:25 mircea_popescu aha
15:27 BingoBoingo Finns also brought a "We're free to walk away from the pulp mill at any time" clause in their development contract.
15:28 mircea_popescu i can imagine why
15:28 BingoBoingo Same reason they's insist on one across the river.
15:32 BingoBoingo Also preliminary inqueries suggest the Argentines looking to escape into Uruguay... aren't asking about Montevideo. Nor are they asking about opportunities in the Interior either...
15:32 BingoBoingo The only place in Uruguay suited to Porteño tastes is PUNTA DEL ESTE!
15:32 mircea_popescu keks
15:33 BingoBoingo Punta del Este has no industry for 10 and a half months out of the year.
15:36 BingoBoingo Then again probably better they crowd into Punta Del Este than price the Venezolanas out of Centro, Ciudad Vieja, and Tres Cruces in Montevideo.
15:40 mircea_popescu yep. blesfully argentines are self-limiting disease. like bed bugs.
15:40 BingoBoingo And in truly grave signs, Argentina's beef exports are UP. As in fire sale: https://archive.is/MlajJ
15:52 feedbot http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/ << billymg -- Additional tests for mp-wp, now according to spec
15:53 mircea_popescu a nice!
15:54 mircea_popescu ^ example of ~20kb patch that's well justified.
15:54 mircea_popescu i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk
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16:00 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?
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16:00 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 04:27:57 spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)
16:05 billymg looking forward to when i can get out of the salt mines and dedicate more time to this, especially when the test suite is complete and i can get back to the mass deleting
16:06 mircea_popescu doing pretty well so far.
16:07 mircea_popescu the one cool thing about a complete testing suite is that it'd even allow rewriting into other langs.
16:07 mircea_popescu not that i see the benefit of retargetting to say python or bash ; nor does it seem sensible to do php work in cl. but as a principle.
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16:32 diana_coman oh, nice work billymg ! I can fully appreciate having a testing suite esp reflecting the spec like that, nice.
16:34 feedbot http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/02/ossabot-and-its-flask-of-python-27-on-centos-6/ << Ossa Sepia -- Ossabot and Its Flask of Python 2.7 on CentOS 6
16:34 billymg ah ty diana_coman
16:35 diana_coman I've finally got around to making the changes from http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ and it works wonderfully! e.g. http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=Logotron&e=#select
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16:35 diana_coman asciilifeform: my sigs for logotron code ^
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17:21 mircea_popescu lol check it out diana_coman , we pinged each other at the ~same exact time
17:21 mircea_popescu within the minute anyways
17:22 mircea_popescu 9:48 here both in any case.
17:35 diana_coman mircea_popescu: hm, I don't seem to have gotten that pingback though?
17:40 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/ << Trilema -- So I was thinking...
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18:02 mircea_popescu hm
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18:49 * asciilifeform back from meat, ate log, nao -- various folx's ps0ts
19:04 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933213 << ty diana_coman ! i'ma put'em on my www tomorrow
19:04 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 16:35:33 diana_coman: asciilifeform: my sigs for logotron code ^
19:05 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933180 << this, and the 1e6 grass-cutter-engined puttputts. prolly the 1 thing asciilifeform didn't like in BingoBoingostan . the humidity concentrates the gas, also
19:05 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:13 BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"
19:06 asciilifeform ( fwiw i suspect that there's no escape from the 2cycle motors anywhere, with possible exception of where Mocky went, where only dukes get driver license and commoners must instead camel )
19:07 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933202 << ffa test tapes already weigh 150+MB collectively
19:07 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 15:54:34 mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk
19:08 * asciilifeform 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test
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19:09 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)
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19:09 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 16:00:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?
19:10 asciilifeform there's a pretty large pile of broken []isms in the historic log
19:12 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933168 << the 'ru-ar' d00d claimed that current fuhrer had these cleaned. but i'd believe when see with own eyes (and i dun have expedition planned to peronistan just to find whether troo..)
19:12 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 15:16:59 mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.
19:14 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.
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19:14 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 15:17:45 mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,
19:16 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )
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19:16 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:27 BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough
19:16 BingoBoingo Doing busses off of LPG here would fuck up the local energy market so much...
19:17 asciilifeform it only even begins to make sense in locales where the gas is actually mined
19:18 BingoBoingo 13kg tank of "supergas" is ~month of cooking for most folk's I've talked to.
19:20 BingoBoingo Restaurants not on the pipe gas network usually go for 45kg tanks in pairs.
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19:52 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933228 << i don't even think it's a cheat, fwiw. more like mastery.
19:52 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 19:08:18 asciilifeform: 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test
19:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: initially i wrote perlisms to generate'em, then thought 'wtf' and rewrote in peh proper
19:53 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933229 << i don't think there's anything wrong with removing the fragment of a [][] from the 2nd line and putting it in 1st.
19:53 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 19:09:53 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)
19:53 mircea_popescu in fairness though, this should be fixed at client level.
19:53 mircea_popescu nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
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19:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'd like a client that warns when about to frag line ( but can't be currently aroused to try an' patch 'xchat', 'irssi', other horrors )
19:54 mircea_popescu ikr.
19:54 mircea_popescu i just want it to frag correctly, treat [][] as a single word, if not fit, put in new line.
19:54 asciilifeform 'xchat' in particular doesn't even prevent word frag
19:54 mircea_popescu from cursory examination this'd require however introducing the notion of wrap, extant clients do not care, split by char.
19:54 asciilifeform (cuts on arbitrary char)
19:54 mircea_popescu exactly.
19:57 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933234 << no frost there. makes a diff.
19:57 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 19:14:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.
19:58 mircea_popescu http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933236 << like ye olde sovok exactly.
19:58 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 19:16:05 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )
19:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sovok had even odder thing -- taxis on propane
19:59 asciilifeform ( where it's utterly batshit, given as can go maybe 200km on 1 fill )
20:03 mircea_popescu world is fulla them today.
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20:21 trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933151 << how do I know when to reconnect if I do this?
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20:21 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 04:33:14 spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.
20:21 ossabot Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true
20:21 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?
20:21 trinque lol damn
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20:40 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd
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20:40 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-02 19:53:40 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
20:40 trinque yes, but then, eh?
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20:40 asciilifeform then.
20:41 asciilifeform imho it's not a waste of time to at least think about how sane chat client oughta behave, tho.
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20:42 mircea_popescu yet writing client for clear and sane spec quite different experience from patching "soft consensus and working code" biomass.
20:43 mircea_popescu or was it "rough consensus"
20:43 asciilifeform patching the 'biomass' can only produce moar of same mass
20:44 asciilifeform ( some time, with barf bag prepared in advance, take a peek at what e.g. 'xchat' consists of. )
20:46 trinque accidental complexity of irc plus accidental complexity of gtk or w/e, cum socks galore
20:46 asciilifeform trinque: i've yet to encounter the hypothetical marvel where pile of opensores reads other than like e.g. gcc, i.e. tumour mass.
20:47 trinque really it's times, isn't it, not "plus"
20:47 asciilifeform 'raised to power'
20:48 asciilifeform ( the items which seem like exception -- e.g. gnat, where -- at least the ada part -- is almost readable -- to date were products of small group of actually organized effort , rather than 'esr's bazar' or whatnot )
20:49 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> or was it "rough consensus" << Sulphide rich consensus
20:49 asciilifeform trinque: ever try, btw, to write a proggy for gtk ?
20:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, no, i know.
20:49 asciilifeform gtk itself is quite a... mass
20:49 * asciilifeform to his sorrow, tried
20:50 trinque asciilifeform: no, but toiled once inside a yuge Qt beast
20:50 asciilifeform this tried also
20:50 asciilifeform 2 different qt's ('3' and '4') even
20:50 asciilifeform horrendous thing. even introduces ~nonstandard extension to cpp~, w/ own preprocessor
20:51 trinque only one preprocessor, must be poor.
20:52 trinque in other poverties, ripping out the threadism in deedbot
20:52 trinque about to stand up the newly muntzed item in #trinque for a bit before swap
20:52 asciilifeform trinque: sorta why asciilifeform regularly returns to mircea_popescu's (unwritten, but 'between the lines') dictum where 'the only people who have any biznis writing progs, is folx who never program'
20:52 asciilifeform paradox, on the surface, but perhaps still true
20:53 trinque people who think for a living oughtn't dull themselves with programming
20:54 asciilifeform !qs best machine is no machine
20:54 snsabot 13 results for "best machine is no machine" in #trilema
20:54 asciilifeform ^ see also.
20:57 auctionbot Buy order # 1056 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by trinque for 131mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
20:57 * asciilifeform searches for that 'errybody has a finite N loc in'em before 'black lung'' thread, but cannot presently find.
20:57 trinque wew
20:57 trinque BingoBoingo: pls to gpg instructions
20:59 * asciilifeform meanwhile found; was in era 1 .
21:00 * asciilifeform brb:meat.
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21:23 BingoBoingo trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t01HD/?raw=true
21:28 trinque ack
21:34 BingoBoingo Let me know which one you pick
21:36 trinque former, since it has worked before
21:44 trinque BingoBoingo: bombs away
21:44 BingoBoingo Aite
21:44 BingoBoingo trinque: GPG me the tracking number and I'll retreive it in the morning
21:47 trinque BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9XkTR/?raw=true
21:47 trinque possibru also present in your mail inbox
21:48 BingoBoingo trinque: ty
21:48 BingoBoingo But no, they never mail me
21:49 trinque !!v 0CADCCC6AE836C361C46B7343E94B06C25DCE0C8D65ED700671A5A9637F91BDA
21:50 deedbot Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.131 << for auction 1056
21:50 trinque feel free to settle ^ with cash in hand tomorrow
21:53 BingoBoingo !!pay-invoice trinque 14
21:53 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oX5Bg/?raw=true
21:53 BingoBoingo !!v B040F21B8626A94CFAD0A47EC17C066117959BFFF75215380BD3C89A1F052B40
21:53 deedbot BingoBoingo paid trinque invoice 14
21:53 trinque ty
21:53 BingoBoingo np
21:54 BingoBoingo ty
21:59 BingoBoingo And "blue" rates on the dollar are starting to make it into papers. "Dólar Banco Nación 59, dólar blue 64"
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22:37 asciilifeform 'convertible ruble'!1111
22:44 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in aging and oxidation https://i.imgur.com/MR6r9hp.jpg
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23:23 feedbot http://trinque.org/2019/09/02/quetiapine/ << trinque -- Quetiapine
23:26 trinque well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go.
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