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00:01	mircea_popescu	anyway, laters!
00:01	BingoBoingo	I wonder if that bitcoin buttplug is coming in multiple sizes
00:01	TestingUnoDosTre	and textures!
00:01	TestingUnoDosTre	They said there was a way to tell if it was unique
00:04	thestringpuller	;;calc ( 0.00096237 - 0.00095711 ) / 0.00096237
00:04	gribble	0.00546567328574
00:07	thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe
00:07	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00095966 / 0.00096593 (509702 shares, 489.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096846 / 0.00101 (3334383 shares, 3,229.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092699 / 0.00101 (23205346 shares, 21,511.35 BTC)
00:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522 = 0.1044 BTC [-]
00:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+]
00:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00096166 = 10.4821 BTC [-]
00:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+]
00:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0522999 = 0.2615 BTC [+]
00:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0522999 = 0.8368 BTC [+]
00:17	BingoBoingo	Seekurity http://thecodelesscode.com/case/87
00:19	TestingUnoDosTre	what the in the hayl
00:19	BingoBoingo	Jurov posted a link to this thing earlier and nao I'm reading it all
00:20	TestingUnoDosTre	I liked how it was written, just very strange
00:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00095512 = 14.4223 BTC [-] {2}
00:23	BingoBoingo	Yeah
		~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~
01:25	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: I've been addicted to it too
01:26	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: 45 minutes of reading them last night
01:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+]
01:27	BingoBoingo	I've just about given them the once over. I'll probably re-read them again over a few days.
01:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+]
01:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
01:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
01:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669997 = 0.134 BTC [-]
01:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.00988186 = 0.2174 BTC [-] {6}
01:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]
01:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.00953844 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 45 minutes ~
02:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00095358 = 9.2974 BTC [-] {4}
02:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52985758 BTC [-]
02:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.052 = 0.624 BTC [-]
		~ 17 minutes ~
03:17	fluffypony	http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libssl/src/ssl/
03:18	fluffypony	OpenBSD have started a strip-down and cleanup of openSSL
03:18	artifexd	That will be a herculean effort.
03:30	pankkake	nice. I was looking for openssl alternatives, and while there are some (with nicer APIs and lighter codebases), the licenses won't satisfy everyone
03:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7546 @ 0.00096408 = 7.2749 BTC [+] {2}
03:32	fluffypony	artifexd: agreed, but considering the amount of effort they put into their modified Apache 1.3 (till they switched to nginx last month) makes me think they can accomplish it
03:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06615 = 0.1323 BTC [-] {2}
03:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06590001 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 26 minutes ~
04:09	fluffypony	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/13/gnome_foundation_runs_out_of_cash/
04:09	fluffypony	"Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal"
04:09	fluffypony	cheeky
04:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1661 @ 0.00096459 = 1.6022 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 18 minutes ~
04:37	pankkake	except everyone hates what gnome does
04:39	bounce	at least gnome /was/ more or less confined to its own thing and its invariably byzantinely dependent apps. enter the freedesktop.org bunch, and poettering+gang.
04:40	pankkake	I don't have issues with those things, they are overall improvements
04:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0665 = 0.1995 BTC [+]
04:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0665 = 0.133 BTC [+]
04:45	bounce	(deliberate) incompatability by stuffing functionality with strong preference-flavour added where there previously was room for alternative approaches in places that don't need the added complexity and opacity, with added fall-out to well outside the "linux" world and insisting breaking others' software are improvements now? explain that one, please.
04:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]
04:48	fluffypony	I agree that gnome is shit
04:48	fluffypony	LXDE is great
04:49	fluffypony	and LXDE-Qt if you desperately need Qt everywhere
04:50	pankkake	they're switching to Qt?
04:51	fluffypony	no
04:51	fluffypony	LXDE-Qt is a separate project
04:51	fluffypony	kinda separate
04:51	pankkake	weird
04:51	fluffypony	Razor-Qt merged with it last year
		~ 15 minutes ~
05:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.522 = 4.698 BTC [-]
05:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009252 = 0.185 BTC [+] {8}
05:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065626 = 0.3281 BTC [-] {3}
05:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06475721 = 0.4533 BTC [-] {4}
05:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10533 @ 0.00096398 = 10.1536 BTC [-]
05:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00095403 = 7.3937 BTC [-] {2}
05:36	pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/
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05:38	fluffypony	*clicks*
05:41	fluffypony	I agree with this commenter: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/cgsvpkn
05:42	fluffypony	"The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief."
05:43	pankkake	most comments are actually good
05:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009294 = 0.1859 BTC [+] {8}
05:51	punkman	sounds like Danny's dream of having a Bentley is gonna be over soon
05:51	fluffypony	heh
05:51	punkman	so much derp
05:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0655 = 0.3275 BTC [+]
		~ 23 minutes ~
06:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1200 @ 0.00013788 = 0.1655 BTC [+] {3}
06:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 767 @ 0.00014148 = 0.1085 BTC [+] {3}
06:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1500 @ 0.00014606 = 0.2191 BTC [+] {7}
06:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5607 @ 0.00015531 = 0.8708 BTC [+] {13}
06:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3127 @ 0.00017518 = 0.5478 BTC [+] {8}
06:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1231 @ 0.00019369 = 0.2384 BTC [+] {6}
06:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2090 @ 0.00025902 = 0.5414 BTC [+] {8}
06:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 900 @ 0.00027005 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2}
06:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1750 @ 0.0002701 = 0.4727 BTC [+] {3}
06:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00028629 = 0.2863 BTC [+] {4}
06:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2200 @ 0.00030121 = 0.6627 BTC [+] {8}
06:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 793 @ 0.00031 = 0.2458 BTC [+]
06:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 753 @ 0.00036261 = 0.273 BTC [+] {6}
06:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00037004 = 0.37 BTC [+] {3}
06:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00037012 = 0.1851 BTC [+] {4}
06:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06674097 = 6.6741 BTC [+] {8}
06:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 276 @ 0.00037 = 0.1021 BTC [-]
06:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3716 @ 0.00011678 = 0.434 BTC [+] {5}
06:55	pankkake	http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses
06:55	pankkake	unless some large farm explodes
		~ 30 minutes ~
07:25	ThickAsThieves	blowstamps! http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/15/5616160/finland-celebrates-homoerotic-art-with-mustachioed-stamps
07:28	ThickAsThieves	Bitstamp is lying, saying my deposit had 3 confs, but blockchain says 6
07:28	ThickAsThieves	they only require 3, yet some how, no coins
07:32	Apocalyptic	ThickAsThieves, selling already ?
07:33	ThickAsThieves	doing some trading
07:33	ThickAsThieves	i'm still long, but keep getting sucked back into the game
07:37	kakobrekla	cans and strings never lie
07:43	Apocalyptic	.d
07:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00096147 = 1.9229 BTC [+]
07:49	ThickAsThieves	Estimated Next Difficulty:7,195,696,460 (+17.58%)
07:49	ThickAsThieves	like 15PH added in 2 weeks
07:50	mircea_popescu	breathtaking, innit.
07:50	pankkake	so many asic manufacturers too
07:51	pankkake	some of them even deliver!
07:51	mircea_popescu	lol who delivered this year ?
07:51	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=571456.0
07:51	pankkake	I don't follow this a lot but there are some chinese who sell in stock stuff
07:52	ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> lol who delivered this year ? // shit, it really is no one
07:52	pankkake	otherwise cointerra is the closest to delivering I guess
07:53	pankkake	still, there's a number of options. better than one single GPU manufacturer!
07:53	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves dun dun dun
07:53	mircea_popescu	"Warrior Forum joins the Freelancer.com Family" dude this couldn't have been more appropriate.
07:54	mircea_popescu	freelancer is like a black hole of internet idiocy.
07:54	ThickAsThieves	lol
07:54	ThickAsThieves	i bet odesk runs most of the action on those sites anyway
07:54	fluffypony	lol
07:54	mircea_popescu	pankkake a number of options as to where to throw your btc down a well and hope while waiting aren;'t options in the sense we need.
07:55	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves there's this getafreelancer.com site, too, and some other shit.
07:55	fluffypony	guru.com as well
07:56	pankkake	by the way, GPU preorders were a thing, too. I preordered one like 15 years ago, it took months before I could have it
07:56	kakobrekla	dotcoin does it again.
07:56	pankkake	http://blog.coinbase.com/post/82766793207/coinbase-has-a-new-office too many macs. DO NOT TRUST
07:57	dignork	re: miners, have you seen spondoolies-tech? My friend works there, and apparently they shipped by plan.
07:57	fluffypony	kakobrekla: that post is terrible
07:57	mircea_popescu	ummm... their office is a room and a hallway in uhhh
07:57	mircea_popescu	shit i remember who owns that and was giving it away rent free to noobs, who the fuck was it
07:58	mircea_popescu	dignork details, details.
07:58	dignork	mircea_popescu, there is a long thread on talk: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-spondoolies-tech-launches-a-new-line-of-asic-miners-shipping-in-7-days.284243/
07:58	ThickAsThieves	omg all those people working on macbooks, wtf
07:59	ThickAsThieves	i guess their real office is starbucks
07:59	dignork	I know one of the devs there
07:59	mircea_popescu	they kinda look like they're showing teh women girlpronz
07:59	mircea_popescu	!up Tykling
07:59	assbot	Voicing Tykling for 30 minutes.
07:59	mircea_popescu	o teh jewz.
07:59	mircea_popescu	dignork so tell one of teh techs to reg here, got a shot at way more biz than the ofrum can ever provide.
07:59	pankkake	macbooks are what you use in client meetings, but not what you use to actually work
08:00	dignork	mircea_popescu, will do :)
08:00	mircea_popescu	holy shit where is that
08:00	mircea_popescu	now it's going to bug me perpetually.
08:01	mircea_popescu	ahaha "make a transaction and get $5" dude they're really pushing huh.
08:03	ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232xry/cointerra_loses_faith_in_their_products/
08:03	ThickAsThieves	30-day warranty
08:03	ThickAsThieves	ouch
08:04	pankkake	do they sell to EU? that would be probably illegal
08:04	ThickAsThieves	theyre probly like "Well, we're premining with these things for 60 days, so we should probly change that warranty!"
08:04	mircea_popescu	"We're about 25 KM from Gaza strip, not in any disputed territory."
08:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4617 @ 0.00096147 = 4.4391 BTC [+]
08:05	mircea_popescu	so cute, the jews. "o, we're 25km from ww2, it's safe here"
08:05	mircea_popescu	they actually think this way.
08:06	davout	mircea_popescu: holders list pl0x
08:06	mircea_popescu	o.o
08:06	mircea_popescu	dude it's been six minutes ? what do yo uthink i run here, a team of naked ninjas ?
08:07	davout	mircea_popescu: that's what you keep advertising :D
08:07	mircea_popescu	lmao
08:07	punkman	you don't have a naked ninja team?
08:07	mircea_popescu	i do but i don't uyse them to do THIS stuff
08:07	mircea_popescu	anything davout gets comes from old smelly women
08:08	davout	the way i make my living is not for you to judge
08:08	davout	pecunia non olet
08:08	ThickAsThieves	this plane toy up the poon is hilarious
08:09	davout	"Hi, I'm from al qaeda and i'm going to do something big on june first"
08:09	davout	june first : "first fully decentralized bitcoin exchange released by al qaeda girl"
08:09	ThickAsThieves	nice knowing you davout
08:09	ThickAsThieves	have fun in guant
08:10	Apocalyptic	he's gonna seek refuge in Timisoara soon
08:10	davout	ThickAsThieves: i'm a jew, anything all-inclusive will do
08:10	davout	mircea_popescu: merci!
08:11	mircea_popescu	he's being extradited
08:11	mircea_popescu	i think i may have all the papers ready to go within the week
08:11	ThickAsThieves	extratradition
08:11	mircea_popescu	AND SO ARE SOME OTHERS OF YOU BIGMOUTHS
08:12	mircea_popescu	when i was a kid the measure of your popularity was that all the kids on the block gathered under your windows screaming "Mr X, may X come out to plaaa-aaa-aaayyyyy ???"
08:12	mircea_popescu	so i'd go this shrug like "what can i do mom ? teh boyfatherland needs me"
08:23	mircea_popescu	awww.
08:24	pankkake	;;later tell benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/14_no-more-statute-of-limitations-for-the-irs.html congratulations, you're worse than France!
08:24	gribble	The operation succeeded.
08:24	mircea_popescu	yeah isn't that something.
08:24	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves btw, did asicminer deliver the gen3 or still working on it ?
08:25	pankkake	I think my last issue with the fisc will finally get prescribed. yay
08:25	pankkake	there are sample chips in the wild
08:26	mircea_popescu	who got any ?
08:26	pankkake	rockxie and canaryinthemine (approximate spelling)
08:27	ThickAsThieves	i havent been following, i think the whole Rockminer deal is too fishy to take any of them seriously anymore
08:28	ThickAsThieves	my guess would be that AM feels theyve given enough to shareholders and will now focus on ways to reroute profit
08:28	ThickAsThieves	like Rockminer
08:28	mircea_popescu	such bs.
08:28	mircea_popescu	it's like a mediocre marriage, nobody says what they mean and nobody does what they say.
08:30	ThickAsThieves	when gen2 vanished without much noise, and nothing happened for like 8mos, well...
08:30	davout	for those who have some X.EUR the positions rollover is done
08:31	mircea_popescu	basically tardstalk has managed to get itself out of the way of bitcoin conversation, tards foundation idem...
08:31	mircea_popescu	let this be a lesson about what "poorly managed" means. you start with a dominant, unassailable position, two years later it's not even clear who you are and what you do anymore.
08:31	davout	sounds like a good time to buy some btw :-)
08:31	mircea_popescu	what cuz it's gonna drop moar ?!
08:32	davout	BTC is up 15~20% since this morning
08:32	fluffypony	yeah
08:32	mircea_popescu	i'll short sell you some, how about that ?
08:32	fluffypony	just below $500, davout
08:33	davout	trades around 360 EUR on BC, was 300 yest, looks like it's going to drop at least a bit
08:33	ThickAsThieves	possibly one more burst tho
08:33	fluffypony	I'm so bad at price speculation I gave up ages ago
08:33	ThickAsThieves	to 531ish
08:33	davout	mircea_popescu: if you have some EUR collateral i can push you some ;-)
08:33	ThickAsThieves	$
08:33	fluffypony	EU $
08:33	mircea_popescu	meh. push me some anyway and i'll cover you in btc
08:33	fluffypony	:-P
08:34	davout	mircea_popescu: also i can go short directly on BC
08:34	fluffypony	1 BTC = 1 BTC?
08:34	ThickAsThieves	lol
08:34	ThickAsThieves	1=1
08:34	mircea_popescu	fluffypony well what the fuck am i going to end up owing him, btc goes to 5 eur ?
08:34	mircea_popescu	i'll just sell a ninja.
08:34	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: trade up man, 1 = 2
08:35	fluffypony	(by some definition of 2)
08:35	ThickAsThieves	what do you think will spark the next true bull phase?
08:35	mircea_popescu	Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash Power consumption:6.375W per chip
08:35	mircea_popescu	wasn't the fucking spec supposed to be 4gh/w ?
08:36	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves this chan going +m.
08:36	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: China Unbans Bitcoin!
08:36	ThickAsThieves	:/
08:36	ThickAsThieves	but i dont have enough cash to buy this thing back to 1000!
08:36	fluffypony	didn't someone mention ransomware the other day, and how that may have contributed to the last run as people who would otherwise have been disinclined to purchase went and purchase?
08:37	fluffypony	so the solution could be to write some new ransomware?
08:37	mircea_popescu	fluffypony it was a stupid idea tho. you realise this yes ?
08:37	ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 24000
08:37	gribble	Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16452.849 bitcoins, for a total of 14624837.6264 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0850 seconds
08:37	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yes I know, I'm just teasing
08:37	ThickAsThieves	16000 coins?!
08:38	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you mighht have not noticed this, but bitstamp volume dried up to nothing.
08:38	mircea_popescu	and so did most of the other exchanges.
08:38	mircea_popescu	their price signal is worth about as much as reddit opinion
08:38	pankkake	http://chralash.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/ive-got-a-psychological-disorder-its-called-hoarding-bitcoins-and-its-making-you-rich/
08:39	mircea_popescu	echolalia eh ?
08:40	davout	ThickAsThieves: mebbe some sort of EUR implosion/QE or whatever
08:42	mircea_popescu	!up roamfree
08:42	assbot	Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes.
08:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5299999 BTC [+]
08:44	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal" << cheeky indeed.
08:46	mircea_popescu	pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses << well when it was made it didn't look as clear as it does now. and if it had another month to go, it wouldn't look clear now, either.
08:47	pankkake	no new mining power added for 2 weeks?
08:49	mircea_popescu	chips have a lifetime. if that's not too long and later chips are worse quality eventually the diff will start dropping.
08:49	pankkake	right, perhaps in a few years then
08:50	thestringpuller	have we discussed the latter from scammy danny yet?
08:50	pankkake	not much
08:50	thestringpuller	i havent checked the logs just woke up and saw it on reddit...
08:50	mircea_popescu	we don't really read reddit, but go right ahead
08:50	pankkake	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#625009
08:52	thestringpuller	ah
08:52	mircea_popescu	"The fraud charges are of my greatest concern right now, they are baffling to me"
08:52	thestringpuller	i am pretty sure reddit drops your iq at this point
08:52	mircea_popescu	o hey. i suppose it keeps in character. first business was baffling to the kid, now legal matters take a turn...
08:53	mircea_popescu	i suppose his feeling for ghiorghios, the unshaved truck driver will be baffling for him next.
08:53	thestringpuller	but reddit has much needed lulz to fuel our hunger
08:53	thestringpuller	is he in wot?
08:54	mircea_popescu	Here is a message to the Criminal Investigation Department of the Cypriot Police:
08:54	mircea_popescu	ANSWER YOUR PHONE or CHECK YOUR EMAILS!!!!
08:54	mircea_popescu	kik
08:54	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller who ? reddit ?
08:54	thestringpuller	danny scamster
08:54	mircea_popescu	nah, he knew better.
08:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.05240938 = 0.9434 BTC [+] {9}
08:56	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/
08:56	pankkake	his statements are very confusing, but that has been going on for a while
08:56	mircea_popescu	srsly, 8:1 ?
08:56	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
08:56	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.0, Best ask: 493.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 493.0, 24 hour volume: 30647.12500074, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.428840083
08:56	thestringpuller	oh wow
08:56	mircea_popescu	sweet, wonder if it tops at 500 or not.
08:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
08:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00096296 = 2.7444 BTC [+]
08:57	TestingUnoDosTre	You mean 515
08:58	mircea_popescu	lol yeah
08:58	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455914648710443009 << from the lulz dept, me discussing matters with a bunch of middleaged women
08:59	pankkake	running isn't even healthy!
09:00	thestringpuller	why is it skngle middle aged women are far less annoying than 20's women...like they are still teens or something
09:01	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller the former you don't want to fuck. less frustration for you.
09:01	mircea_popescu	pankkake it's healthier than pancakes...
09:01	pankkake	I don't even like pancakes
09:01	pankkake	and yes, pancakes are poison
09:02	mircea_popescu	well arguably bukkake is healthier than running
09:02	nubbins`	arguably
09:02	TestingUnoDosTre	Can't believe people think smoking adds to healthcare costs. The people die earlier and faster
09:02	nubbins`	easier on your knees, certainly
09:02	nubbins`	TestingUnoDosTre: here in canada, we keep smokers alive as long as possible. tis a burden
09:02	mircea_popescu	nubbins` notrly, you gotta be kneelin'
09:02	nubbins`	mircea_popescu flat on the back, natch
09:03	nubbins`	TestingUnoDosTre: although to be fair, tobacco taxes more than cover it
09:03	nubbins`	20 smokes is over $10 here
09:03	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre you don't understand the environment. buncha clueless broads sitting around encouraging each other. sorta like what we do here, except without the smarts.
09:03	nubbins`	wait, i encourage people? ;(
09:03	mircea_popescu	i assumed you must. weren't you a liberal ?
09:03	nubbins`	sure, but a bitter one
09:04	pankkake	TestingUnoDosTre: it might (cancer is expensive), but it reduces retirement costs
09:04	nubbins`	just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D
09:04	mircea_popescu	if smoking gives you cancer it just shows you had a shitty constitution,
09:04	mircea_popescu	so you SHOULD die in the first place.
09:04	mircea_popescu	smoking is pretty much the only selective behaviour left.
09:04	mircea_popescu	that and driving.
09:04	mircea_popescu	smoking definitely cheaper.
09:04	nubbins`	smoking: the sieve of modern man
09:05	nubbins`	eating too
09:05	mircea_popescu	<nubbins`> just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D << wait wait. what sort of scamliberal are you ?! THAT IS THE DEFINITION!
09:05	TestingUnoDosTre	If you consider coat avoidance, I'm quite sure it would cost more to keep a,non smoker living in their latter years
09:05	nubbins`	we live in a word not of black and white but of shades of grey ;D
09:06	nubbins`	bbl eggs!
09:06	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/a3aedb2f647e9395c5fc9a66e6d6d621/tumblr_mkfz4rxTzm1re7tkoo1_1280.jpg
09:06	mircea_popescu	quoted for the black shoies, white socks.
09:06	mircea_popescu	that's the world we live in.
09:06	mircea_popescu	!up steven-__
09:06	assbot	Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
09:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53199995 = 1.064 BTC [+] {2}
09:08	pankkake	anyway, I'm usually going out to not smoke
09:08	pankkake	who cares what is written
09:09	mircea_popescu	these women.
09:09	mircea_popescu	it's all they have left : what's written
09:09	pankkake	because they want to be offended at something
09:09	pankkake	being offended is a full time job
09:09	nubbins`	^
09:09	mircea_popescu	gives them something to write on twitter about, gives them something to talk to me about... what's their alternative ?
09:10	ThickAsThieves	it's also the easiest job
09:10	mircea_popescu	sit in the home and stare at the wall ?
09:10	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves exactly. easiest full time job their is. which is why and how women that age end up with it, in all times and all places.
09:10	ThickAsThieves	old hags on nonprofit boards
09:10	mircea_popescu	lol you've really been touched haven't you
09:10	ThickAsThieves	treating me like a walmart cashier
09:11	ThickAsThieves	ive fired more old women clients than clients have ever fired me
09:11	mircea_popescu	no cuntry for old broads.
09:12	ThickAsThieves	btw i loved your definition of fine
09:12	ThickAsThieves	it's quite quotable
09:12	ThickAsThieves	deserves a bash
09:12	mircea_popescu	bash away
09:13	ThickAsThieves	how do i bash the past?
09:13	ThickAsThieves	bash 9000
09:13	nubbins`	look to the topic for clues
09:13	mircea_popescu	there's an add topic feature
09:13	ThickAsThieves	ah
09:13	mircea_popescu	hey kakobrekla : your !b add-on was so successful, people don't even know how to bash as a result.
09:14	nubbins`	needs params
09:14	mircea_popescu	does nawt
09:14	nubbins`	!b [2:5,7:14]
09:14	nubbins`	imagine
09:14	mircea_popescu	fucking geeks omfg. !b for insta and go paste in the site otherwise
09:15	ThickAsThieves	never heard of bash til the !b arrived
09:15	nubbins`	:0
09:15	nubbins`	wat
09:15	ThickAsThieves	i'm not quite as nerdy as it seems
09:15	mircea_popescu	a! but have you ever heard of bishibosh ?
09:15	nubbins`	i've got quotes on bash.org from when i was like 15 ;(
09:16	mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah well you're special`
09:16	nubbins`	heh
09:16	nubbins`	well, maybe 17
09:16	ThickAsThieves	after looking up bishibosh, surely ive had exposure
09:16	ThickAsThieves	nubbins thats cuz you been complaining since the womb
09:16	nubbins`	funny, there was a scammer trying to impersonate me in -otc the other day
09:16	nubbins`	nickname: nubbins``
09:16	nubbins`	y'know, the sort of nick that a non-scammer would have
09:16	steven-__	really like this new model you have imposed mircea_popescu having to be voiced to talk. it makes me think back to when oink died and two sites popped up to trade music waffles and what it was much harder to get into what having to pass a test about encoding quality lossly vs lossless http://www.whatinterviewprep.com/ but over the years you can really see the
09:16	steven-__	advantages to limiting who can be involved to people who care enough to learn the basics
09:17	mircea_popescu	in my defense, i merely suggested it.
09:18	nubbins`	now, i gotta print posters
09:18	nubbins`	i ended up removing the Hobo typeface from that one i shared ;(
09:18	mircea_popescu	but think of the environment nubbins` ! wouldn't you rather sit here and chat with us ?
09:18	mircea_popescu	instead of causing cancer and so forth ?
09:18	nubbins`	water-based inks bruh
09:18	nubbins`	you can pour 'em straight into the ocean with impunity
09:19	mircea_popescu	you make a pretty shitty middleaged woman.
09:19	pankkake	steven-__: eheh exactly :)
09:19	nubbins`	phew!
09:19	mircea_popescu	gotta eat moar soy sauce
09:19	steven-__	yea pankkake your blog post was what got me thinking about it
09:19	kakobrekla	steven-__ i did about 0.5k or so interviews for what btw.
09:19	ThickAsThieves	http://www.sparkyscreenprints.com/water-based-myth/
09:20	pankkake	I blog posted about it? or comment maybe
09:20	steven-__	https://what.cd/user.php?id=315790 is me
09:22	kakobrekla	3 and a half years behind me :p
09:22	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you did 500 interviews for what ?
09:22	pankkake	what's your username kakobrekla? (I'm simply pankkake as I am everywhere)
09:22	kakobrekla	yes mp.
09:22	steven-__	yea i had an account around the time oink ended but ended up using waffles and tt
09:22	steven-__	so when i came back to what i was blown away at how much better it was
09:23	nubbins`	http://www.matsui-color.com/water_based.php
09:23	nubbins`	;p
09:23	pankkake	yeah, oink being closed ended up… a good thing. more competition, new software
09:24	nubbins`	indeed, not all water-based inks are created equal, which is why we use the good ones ;D
09:24	kakobrekla	This tree has 955 entries, 254 branches, and a depth of 6. It has 670 Users (70%), 214 Members (22%), 57 Power Users (6%), 13 Elites (1%) and 1 Torrent Master (0%). 536 users are disabled (56%), and 96 users have donated (10%).
09:24	pankkake	:o
09:24	pankkake	lol 56% of fail
09:25	kakobrekla	yes , well , people.
09:25	pankkake	i guess it's easy to cheat on the interview
09:25	nubbins`	TBF we only use WB for paper, and plastisol for shirts. but once you cure plastisol, you can do w/e you want with it
09:25	kakobrekla	mostly its people who do not understand how hard it is to seed here
09:25	kakobrekla	i mean, you can not describe it.
09:26	kakobrekla	tbh i have been helping by not seeding for last 2 years or so
09:26	pankkake	I upload new stuff and seed forever, never had to worry about anything
09:27	kakobrekla	i got to be tm for a short bit, but then lost the will and got degraded to elite :|
09:27	pankkake	I have been stuck in elite for years, yet I'm close
09:28	pankkake	unless there is a secret porn subforum, not interested
09:28	kakobrekla	its been fun even if people in charge are douchebags
09:28	pankkake	yeah, they banned me from the forums
09:29	kakobrekla	and i was 'sassing' some mod, they took my avatar rights as a reward.
09:29	kakobrekla	lel
09:29	steven-__	what has pretty good forums but in general i'm over the genre almost made some DIY speaker last year
09:30	kakobrekla	if its from those forums , its shit speakers.
09:30	pankkake	This tree has 144 entries, 36 branches, and a depth of 5. It has 113 Users (78%), 23 Members (16%), 6 Power Users (4%) and 2 Elites (1%). 97 users are disabled (67%), and 6 users have donated (4%).
09:30	pankkake	ok, I'm worst
09:30	pankkake	worse
09:31	mircea_popescu	!up andreas_
09:31	assbot	Voicing andreas_ for 30 minutes.
09:31	pankkake	by the way:
09:31	pankkake	::view
09:31	pankkake	;;view
09:31	gribble	#20302 Sat Apr 12 11:27:48 2014 pankkake SELL 999.0 Private torrent trackers invites @ 0 FREE (Theses are free, only requirement is WoT presence. Keep your bitcoins to donate to the actual operators.)
09:32	pankkake	some assholes are selling those
09:32	mircea_popescu	lol
09:32	kakobrekla	meh i wouldnt risk it
09:33	kakobrekla	people dont appreciate such things.
09:35	TestingUnoDosTre	What is this private torrent tracker?
09:36	pankkake	I have many, music, movies, porn, whatever you need
09:36	steven-__	most people forget and get disabled or can't keep up a good ratio because they only download stuff that's 12 hours old and seed it for 24-48 hours on (good trackers)
09:36	pankkake	I'm very sad underground-gamer closed, it was a gold mine of old great games
09:37	joecool	pankkake: got hdbits
09:37	joecool	?
09:39	pankkake	joecool: "Invites are disabled for the moment. May never come back"
09:39	joecool	bummer
09:39	pankkake	so I have one, unusable
09:41	TestingUnoDosTre	:(
09:41	mircea_popescu	!up steven-__
09:41	assbot	Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
09:41	TestingUnoDosTre	Just got 2001 a space oddessy the other night. Gonna smoke up and make a holiday of it
09:42	pankkake	spaced odyssey
09:43	TestingUnoDosTre	Bah
09:43	mircea_popescu	lol good one
09:43	mircea_popescu	!up Naphex
09:43	assbot	Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
09:44	kakobrekla	2001 is a great flick
09:45	Naphex	i was just about to auth with gribble, pre-thanks :)
09:45	mircea_popescu	lol cool.
09:45	kakobrekla	its prolly better than dead man, now that i think of it.
09:45	mircea_popescu	Naphex didn't recall if you were on the list or not
09:46	kakobrekla	well you still need to get your own voice
09:46	kakobrekla	borrowed one is a borrowed one.
09:46	kakobrekla	gotta give it back
09:47	Naphex	;;ident Naphex
09:47	gribble	Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
09:47	Naphex	there we go.
09:47	mircea_popescu	what's btcxchange.ro ?
09:47	TestingUnoDosTre	I just listened to the book on audio and its probably one of my favorite science fiction
09:47	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot Naphex
09:47	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Naphex | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Naphex | Rated since: never
09:47	mircea_popescu	you ain't in the list yo
09:47	joecool	TestingUnoDosTre: not 2001 honda odyssey?
09:48	steven-__	the prisoner was filming next to 2001 a space oddessy when they weren't on location at portmeirion
09:48	steven-__	;;google the prisoner
09:48	gribble	The Prisoner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner>; The Prisoner (TV Series 1967–1968) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061287/>; The Prisoner (TV Mini-Series 2009) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1043714/>
09:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8754 @ 0.00096534 = 8.4506 BTC [+] {2}
09:49	Naphex	mircea_popescu: romanian bitcoin->ron exchange where i slave during the day ;]
09:49	ThickAsThieves	i just lost my copy of Anathema, i was just getting started :(
09:49	pankkake	ron?
09:49	mircea_popescu	Naphex never heard of it :D
09:49	mircea_popescu	pankkake romania changed its rol (romanian leu) at 10k for the new romanian leu so thus... ron
09:49	pankkake	I hope it's to honor Ron Paul!
09:50	bounce	they let their slaves irc from production servers?
09:50	Naphex	bounce: yeah its in the job benefits ;]
09:50	mircea_popescu	orderbook... tons of asks, no bids.
09:50	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
09:50	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.52, Best ask: 494.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 30795.89377194, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.757676521
09:51	mircea_popescu	;;calc 1514.0/492.52
09:51	gribble	3.07398684317
09:51	bounce	so what do you do there?
09:51	mircea_popescu	;;calc 3.23 / 3.07
09:51	gribble	1.05211726384
09:51	mircea_popescu	bout 5% off. some arb opportunity i guess. Naphex what's the confirmation process like ?
09:52	Naphex	bb in a few, gotta drive home. closing the office
09:52	Naphex	mircea_popescu: ID with quick confirmation for 15k eur+, some other paperwork for higher limit
09:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0653 = 0.3265 BTC [-]
09:53	mircea_popescu	Naphex as a business ?
09:53	Naphex	as a bussiness its a monthly limit for 220k RON
09:53	Naphex	about 50k eur
09:53	mircea_popescu	and what do you do bout the vat ?
09:54	Naphex	there is no vat
09:54	mircea_popescu	lol interesting.
09:54	mircea_popescu	!up cnxmari
09:54	assbot	Voicing cnxmari for 30 minutes.
09:54	mircea_popescu	whoa look at copper jesus.
09:55	mircea_popescu	how the fuck can copper drop ? i mean gold, i get it, political interest, fake bla bla bla, whatever. ok. but copper ?!
09:55	mircea_popescu	it's rarer than gold these days!
09:55	bounce	I s'pose there's the demand side
09:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06510404 = 2.4088 BTC [-] {10}
09:55	pankkake	because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market
09:56	mircea_popescu	what, romanians sell it on the cme ?
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.06499443 = 8.1243 BTC [-] {4}
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3828 @ 0.00016169 = 0.6189 BTC [-] {7}
09:58	Apocalyptic	<pankkake> because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market // that's what gypsies do in slovakia
09:58	pankkake	well, I'm saying romanians to tease, in France it's gypsies/roms/whatever
09:59	ThickAsThieves	copper dropping cuz chinese are involved with it
09:59	ThickAsThieves	PBOC gonna ban copper!
09:59	mircea_popescu	lol
10:01	fluffypony	lol
10:02	mircea_popescu	just did a stats on http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ :
10:03	mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu 14, benkay 12, jborkl 10, bingoboingo 8, bitcoinpete 8, khersonus 5, jurov 1, mike_c 1.
10:03	TestingUnoDosTre	How does one get on this blag
10:03	mircea_popescu	you make a blog and bug pankkake pretty much
10:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
10:04	mircea_popescu	http://www.vox.com/2014/4/14/5614180/colorados-marijuana-tax-revenue-is-up-and-its-great-for-schools
10:04	TestingUnoDosTre	Oh my, went to Colorado for my off week. Place is like heaven on earth
10:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
10:05	TestingUnoDosTre	They put a quarter ounce limit on purchasers from out of state, but you can walk right in the next day
10:05	mircea_popescu	a quarter ounce should be enough to smoke yourself out pretty well no ?
10:05	mircea_popescu	in more cattle-related news, http://t.co/N08QeqZ14E
10:05	TestingUnoDosTre	Yes indeed
10:05	mircea_popescu	uh i mean https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlQzuRVIgAAhl_U.jpg
10:06	TestingUnoDosTre	But I drove out there to ski, so I could take home extra
10:06	TestingUnoDosTre	In theory of course
10:07	Duffer1	thickasthieves gotta buy another copy then ^.^ it's worth it
10:08	TestingUnoDosTre	Is it sci-fi or what?
10:08	Duffer1	is what?
10:09	Duffer1	anathema?
10:09	TestingUnoDosTre	Anathema
10:09	mike_c	some of us only write when we have something to say ;)
10:09	Duffer1	er sorry Anathem
10:09	ThickAsThieves	so far Anathema seems very Vonnegut
10:10	ThickAsThieves	yeah
10:10	ThickAsThieves	Anathem
10:10	TestingUnoDosTre	Oooh KV is the way to be
10:10	ThickAsThieves	it's also absolutely nothing like Reamde\
10:10	mircea_popescu	mike_c ikr ?
10:10	ThickAsThieves	which i didnt finish
10:12	pankkake	!up steven-__
10:12	assbot	Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
10:14	TestingUnoDosTre	All great sci-fi aside, anybody read Lermontovs A Hero of Our Time?
10:16	mircea_popescu	yea
10:24	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-5#post-5920398
10:25	mircea_popescu	lol someone caught on the splendid "free speech" dilemma maged built for teh tardstalk management.
10:26	mircea_popescu	"we don't ban scams and scammers, but this isn't because they pay us, it's simply because we believe in free speech ; we do however ban people exercising free speech, because it's bad for business."
10:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0524 = 0.3144 BTC [-] {2}
10:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032 = 0.192 BTC [+] {2}
10:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-]
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03110007 = 0.1244 BTC [-] {3}
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0524 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {3}
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3}
10:29	fluffypony	"The fact that people like MPOE-PR, Deprived, and pankkake were paid to say I was a scammer and lie about me didn't help either."
10:29	fluffypony	so, how do I get a piece of this action?
10:29	fluffypony	:-P
10:29	Apocalyptic	Deprived was paid nao ?
10:30	Duffer1	who's quoted there fluffypony?
10:30	fluffypony	Duffer1: usagi
10:30	Duffer1	ah
10:30	pankkake	who said that
10:30	Apocalyptic	the length people go to make up shit these days... amazes me
10:30	fluffypony	"Look at Marc (Kakobrekla) who is now business partners with Mircea Popescu. When Pirate collapsed, CPA paid him 1140 BTC. Just like that. We didn't scam anybody. But what does he do? He removed his WOT rating for me."
10:30	fluffypony	kakobrekla: how could you do that! remove a WOT rating! the horror.
10:30	pankkake	well usagi given that he mentions Deprived
10:30	pankkake	but that's a new one for me
10:31	bounce	``Because this is still the prime (and only meaningful) communication forum for bitcoin and those of us who believe in bitcoin try to keep it as useful as possible.'' -- ckolivas https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-2#post-5745988
10:31	kakobrekla	but my name is not marc :(
10:31	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla shut up marc :D
10:31	fluffypony	kakobrekla: it is now!
10:31	Apocalyptic	haha poor kako, first Martin, then Marc
10:31	kakobrekla	and he didnt pay 1140, twas less.
10:31	jborkl	obvious scams to customers ok, fuck you not ok- we understand da ruulz now
10:31	mircea_popescu	marcel kakobrekla!
10:32	mircea_popescu	afaik he did in fact pay a hefty sum back i nthe day (btc was like 5 bux then or something). all those posts are beleeted now, but they were riotous
10:32	mircea_popescu	ended up selling his guitar or something.
10:33	nubbins`	marsellus kakobreklus
10:33	mircea_popescu	who the fuck is ckolivas
10:33	joecool	con
10:33	jborkl	CGminer dev
10:33	jborkl	good guy , very smart
10:34	joecool	he gasses children for a living
10:34	nubbins`	you can make a living doing that?
10:34	joecool	yeah, medical school, etc
10:34	nubbins`	ah
10:34	*	nubbins` ponders this over coffee
10:34	jborkl	he is a doctor first
10:35	fluffypony	isn't he the guy Luke-Jr is constantly fighting with?
10:35	nubbins`	i remember trying to describe being gassed for my tonsil removal
10:35	joecool	fluffypony: yeah
10:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
10:35	nubbins`	after struggling for a bit, i said "it's like doing whippets until you pass out"
10:35	nubbins`	moments later, i realized it *is* doing whippets until you pass out
10:35	*	mircea_popescu ponders this over whippets
10:35	nubbins`	heh!
10:35	joecool	i got to know him awhile back from his kernel patchset, his main coding hobby before bitcoin was rewriting the linux cpu sched
10:36	mircea_popescu	"The Whippet (also English Whippet or Snap dog) is a breed of medium-sized dog"
10:36	nubbins`	;;ud whippet
10:36	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whippet | Nitrous oxide found in small metal cannisters used in refillable whipped cream cannisters. Used as an inhalant drug to get high.
10:36	mircea_popescu	i knew all you labradorian/newfoundlandians are weird. sexually speaking.
10:36	mircea_popescu	with dogs.
10:36	nubbins`	hey now!
10:36	mircea_popescu	joecool jborkl so basically old time dev with impacted notions. aite.
10:36	joecool	Linux superbia 3.13.10-ck1 #5 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 18:25:25 EDT 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
10:37	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: There's been hostility between the two that leds to the cgminer bfgminer fork
10:37	joecool	Luke-Jr: you need to msg the bot to talk
10:37	mircea_popescu	!up Luke-Jr
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10:37	BingoBoingo	!up Luke-Jr
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10:37	Luke-Jr	what bot
10:37	joecool	assbot
10:37	mircea_popescu	id with gribble then msg assbot !up
10:38	fluffypony	you need to massage assbot:-P
10:38	mircea_popescu	"This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer."
10:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.00077777 = 0.1867 BTC [-]
10:38	mircea_popescu	!hi assbot
10:38	nubbins`	Darwin Jons-MB.local 13.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.1.0: Thu Jan 16 19:40:37 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.90.20~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
10:38	nubbins`	;(
10:38	mircea_popescu	^ that's me talking to a scammeur!
10:40	mircea_popescu	so twitter bought gnip
10:40	nubbins`	;;ud gnip
10:40	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gnip%20gnop | gnip gnop. Simply put, Ping Pong spelled backwards. Slang and humorous word used instead of "Ping Pong". Origin: Mansfield University, PA. "You boys up for ...
10:40	nubbins`	WHAT SORCERY IS THIS
10:41	mircea_popescu	nubbins` they were a data miner, on the full feeds of shit like twitter and instagram
10:41	nubbins`	so twitter bought their own data
10:42	fluffypony	so twitter bought a data miner of their own data?
10:42	fluffypony	snap nubbins`
10:42	joecool	i suppose it's easier than paying for the development of a new internal tool
10:42	bounce	keeps the competition from looting your "IP", and maybe allows you to snoop on the competition.
10:42	nubbins`	heh
10:42	nubbins`	joecool for some definitions of "easy"
10:42	joecool	bounce: and that too
10:42	fluffypony	"hey dawg, I heard you like data, so we bought some data so we could put your data inside the data"
10:42	mircea_popescu	fluffypony esentially.
10:43	mircea_popescu	they were investors in it anyway iirc.
10:43	mircea_popescu	really this entire circus is not so much unlike usagi's 2012 businesses. usagi-cpa has bought usagi-derp from usagi-herp worth OVER NINE THOUSAND
10:45	bounce	value-add to the valuation, win-win maximisation, hey hey hey
10:45	BingoBoingo	Really usagi is probably more instructive than Pirateat40 for things to beware of
10:46	mircea_popescu	prolly, yeah
10:47	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/M3tGFBZ
10:51	pankkake	Marcel is a beauf(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauf) name
10:51	pankkake	it's also the French name of the wifebeater shirt
10:55	bounce	bit of a recursive fail, that pic
10:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.064305 = 0.1286 BTC [+] {2}
10:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012005 = 0.7203 BTC [-] {3}
11:05	mircea_popescu	soo, some twerps in spain decided "trilema" sounds kinda cool, started a foundation whatever. i sent them a friendly note about six months ago pointing out that it's a registered trademark and they're playing with fire. which they ignored.
11:06	mircea_popescu	so today i got to send them a notice that they either self-destruct and apologize or else i'm suing them. in, obviouisly, romanian court.
11:06	mike_c	do they spell it wrong too?
11:06	fluffypony	is the trademark registered in the EU, or just in Romania?
11:06	*	fluffypony has no idea how EU trademark law works
11:06	mircea_popescu	http://www.fundaciontrilema.org/
11:06	mircea_popescu	fluffypony http://trilema.com/2011/trilema®/
11:06	pankkake	spanish is spelled wrong
11:07	mircea_popescu	nice class 41, too, which makes it pretty lulzy.
11:07	mike_c	hah, you against a bunch of geezers :)
11:07	mircea_popescu	they better pay up.
11:07	joecool	you whippersnapper!
11:07	mircea_popescu	ima buy bitcoins out of trademark enforcing moneyz, how about that!
11:07	fluffypony	ah, it's across EU
11:07	mircea_popescu	fluffypony us too, actually.
11:07	fluffypony	nice
11:07	*	fluffypony ponders
11:07	pankkake	the real question is why would you care?
11:07	mircea_popescu	they have a reciprocity deal so mickey mouse can be owned by disney
11:07	mircea_popescu	pankkake it pays to care.
11:08	joecool	!up Luke-Jr
11:08	assbot	Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
11:08	mircea_popescu	they could have arranged a license back last year, if they had a clue.
11:08	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: was that costly? I'm an Italian citizen, wife is German, so I can register an EU trademark instead of the shitty meaningless South African one
11:08	mircea_popescu	it doesn't pay to ignore what i say, and i'm definitely going to be enforcing THAT part.
11:08	mircea_popescu	fluffypony a few grand.
11:08	fluffypony	not bad
11:08	mircea_popescu	like tms normally cost.
11:08	fluffypony	yeah, same as here
11:08	TestingUnoDosTre	Oh my I love the term USBS. please use moar often
11:08	mircea_popescu	and you don't need to be any sort of citizen, you can reg it on your corp.
11:09	joecool	US trademarks are a lot cheaper
11:09	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre yeah huh!
11:09	mircea_popescu	joecool somehow i doubt that.
11:09	Apocalyptic	http://bases-marques.inpi.fr/ confirms the trademark
11:09	mircea_popescu	granted i've not reg'd any in years, but they were about the same back in the day
11:09	joecool	mircea_popescu: for a US trademark, i think it cost ~$400 or so
11:09	mircea_popescu	a but that's us only.
11:09	mircea_popescu	yeah, you can get regional marks in the us too, for a coupla hundred iirc.
11:09	mircea_popescu	in the eu too i mean
11:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0325 = 0.5525 BTC [+]
11:10	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic well it'd better eh.
11:10	joecool	mircea_popescu: i must have misread, i thought trilema was just EU-registered
11:10	mircea_popescu	nah.
11:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 39 @ 0.08299776 = 3.2369 BTC [-]
11:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00519999 = 0.156 BTC [-]
11:15	Apocalyptic	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathem is this the book TAT mentionned earlier ?
11:18	mircea_popescu	!up wywialm
11:18	assbot	Voicing wywialm for 30 minutes.
11:18	wywialm	hi, thanks for upvoting
11:18	mircea_popescu	yeah.
11:19	mircea_popescu	;;rate wywialm 1 New blood
11:19	wywialm	will ident in a second
11:19	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wywialm has been recorded.
11:19	mircea_popescu	now you can selfup.
11:19	wywialm	wow, thanks
11:20	wywialm	;;ident
11:20	gribble	Nick 'wywialm', with hostmask 'wywialm!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl', is identified as user 'wywialm', with GPG key id B8F8FFF5052A2FA4, key fingerprint 6066C0309D81DBE48E97D6CCB8F8FFF5052A2FA4, and bitcoin address None
11:21	ThickAsThieves	copyright troll!
11:23	BingoBoingo	From 2010, related to the Cow business in Utah http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers
11:25	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no, actually, patent troll!
11:26	mircea_popescu	It'll take plenty of military paychecks to cover the $5,600 price tag
11:26	mircea_popescu	that's actually remarkably cheap
11:27	BingoBoingo	Well they give is paygrade as E-3 and the year 2010, lemme pull up the paycheck
11:27	BingoBoingo	With the 4 years of service mentioned $1923/month
11:27	mircea_popescu	bout 2k
11:27	thestringpuller	https://github.com/adobe/source-code-pro - downloading fonts from github...dunno how I should feel about this...
11:27	mircea_popescu	yeah
11:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1657 @ 0.00012 = 0.1988 BTC [-]
11:29	mircea_popescu	!up neilol
11:29	assbot	Voicing neilol for 30 minutes.
11:29	neilol	thank you sir
11:30	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo anyway, what i meant was teh gun is pretty cheap considering it's a .5 bolt
11:30	mircea_popescu	neilol sure
11:30	mircea_popescu	!up Neil
11:30	assbot	Voicing Neil for 30 minutes.
11:30	mircea_popescu	hey, you know hopw to voice yourself do you ?
11:30	neilol	register with gribble
11:30	neilol	not sure of the process but if i need it
11:31	neilol	i'll figure it out
11:31	joecool	;;guide
11:31	gribble	Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
11:31	joecool	wat
11:31	mircea_popescu	wow ?!
11:31	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah. Still the expensive part with something like that is feeding it.
11:31	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6232636#msg6232636
11:31	mircea_popescu	neilol i meant Neil. you, i think you'll have to get into the wot first
11:31	mircea_popescu	!up Naphex
11:31	assbot	Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
11:32	Naphex	thanks
11:32	Naphex	tbh this might be an annoying system :]
11:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {3}
11:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05115252 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {3}
11:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3}
11:33	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what's it, like 3 bux a round
11:33	BingoBoingo	Lemme pull that up
11:33	mircea_popescu	Naphex get rated then it's a breeze
11:33	Naphex	don't do much OTC to get rated
11:34	mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg anyway, instructive comparison.
11:34	BingoBoingo	No less than $3.50 quickly goes up from there
11:35	pankkake	first one is basically a dildo
11:35	mircea_popescu	http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ammunition/rifle-ammunition/50-bmg/federal-american-eagle-50-bmg-618gr-tactical-tracer-10rds-xm17c.html
11:35	mircea_popescu	they're tracers tho
11:36	mircea_popescu	but in principle if you're practice shooting you dun care.
11:36	mircea_popescu	http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FAXM33C 3.30 nato 660gr
11:36	BingoBoingo	Well depends on how far you are practicing out to.
11:36	bounce	funny how those "birthers" complain about policies set by, er, the previous guy?
11:36	mircea_popescu	"Due to limited supplies, and high demand this item has a 10 piece maximum order quantity per customer, every 1 day." heh
11:36	BingoBoingo	http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=589
11:37	mircea_popescu	meanwhile copper is tanking.
11:37	mircea_popescu	da fuck will this world make sense.
11:37	BingoBoingo	bounce: To be fair they were also angry about the guy before the previous guy
11:38	mircea_popescu	pankkake kinda has to be a dildo, cause otherwise body armor.
11:38	BingoBoingo	Also trucks
11:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03261752 = 0.1305 BTC [-] {3}
11:38	bounce	that sounds like what I'd been thinking already: they're looking for excuses to dislike, instead of just admitting they don't like that party
11:39	mircea_popescu	anyway, they're like 20kj per shot.
11:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315005 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
11:39	mircea_popescu	bascially works as anti aircraft too
11:40	bounce	tree fiddy a round
11:40	mircea_popescu	should go through about an inch of steel.
11:41	Naphex	anybody from blockchain.info / or with connections to buy some ad space on it?
11:41	mircea_popescu	keonne
11:41	mircea_popescu	iirc he worked there, can prolly get you in touch with whoever.
11:42	Naphex	alright, thanks
11:44	BingoBoingo	Basically there are a lot of people who want the US to collapse the wrong way, and they were ready to see it happen over cows.
11:44	mircea_popescu	http://cryptome.org/2014/04/home-made-sec.htm << cryptome bravely wades into the public, withoiut a +m
11:45	mircea_popescu	curious how long they last.
11:49	wywialm	ha, it works!
11:50	wywialm	thanks, mircea_popescu
11:50	mircea_popescu	yw
11:50	bounce	what, there's a right way to collapse?
11:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096616 = 7.2462 BTC [+]
11:50	mircea_popescu	the russians don't agree, but i would say the way the soviet union collapsed is the right way to collapse.
11:51	mircea_popescu	no violence, massive humiliation, come back in two decades as a major.
11:51	Apocalyptic	bounce, there is, like there is a right way to land a plan without engines
11:51	Naphex	http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.openssl.user/51243
11:51	Apocalyptic	*plane
11:51	Naphex	akamai released a guarded allocator for openssl
11:52	bounce	IMO there's a larger issue but this is as good a hook as any, and that's that plenty the infrastructure relies on same being present and functional. there's a few ways to guard against that, and we might investigate them all.
11:52	Naphex	how nice of em
11:52	wywialm	how can this scenario be possible in case of US?
11:53	mircea_popescu	wywialm same way it was possible in the case of the ussr, i guess.
11:53	mircea_popescu	it never seems possible till it happens.
11:53	bounce	might be useful to survey the cracks and see how serious they are
11:53	mircea_popescu	bounce im not sure i follow your thought.
11:56	mircea_popescu	Naphex so what exactly is your function at this btcxchange thing ?
11:56	bounce	like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out.
11:56	asciilifeform	re: that rifle - for some reason it is astoundingly popular.
11:57	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do you know the reason ?
11:57	wywialm	bounce, what is your estimate of the current us cracks?
11:57	Naphex	mircea_popescu: mostly coding
11:57	asciilifeform	anti-materiel round
11:57	mircea_popescu	Naphex so who runs it ?
11:57	asciilifeform	a (very theoretical) pill against 'black helicopter' etc.
11:58	*	bounce hasn't even started with the study. but it looks less well than it perhaps ought to be.
11:58	Naphex	mircea_popescu: Horea Vuscan is the owner
11:59	Duffer1	is he the wallet or the ceo?
11:59	Duffer1	both?
11:59	mircea_popescu	seems the assbot was asleep at that time, but this was discussed once before : http://dpaste.com/1780498/
12:00	mircea_popescu	so whose was the idea to print the cert ? horea vuscan's ?
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.44522880 BTC to 8`385 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
12:00	wywialm	bounce, mircea_popescu, do you imagine that us collapse would come together with general usG collapse, including official default?
12:01	mircea_popescu	bounce i think your methodology is broken, in that it assumes a sort of linear scalability. broken government is not akin to broken windows.
12:01	mircea_popescu	wywialm us collapse = usg collapse. what else ? not like kansas will fall off the map or something.
12:01	Naphex	mircea_popescu: it's suposed to be wholly transparent, so yeah printing the cert was included
12:01	bounce	where'd you find linearity? o_O?
12:01	Naphex	public owner, cert printed, offices exist etc
12:01	mircea_popescu	Naphex aite send me mail from its domain i'll give you a 1 rating
12:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 683 @ 0.00015999 = 0.1093 BTC [+] {2}
12:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 2.43718776 BTC to 148`428 shares, 1642 satoshi per share
12:02	mircea_popescu	bounce here : "like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out."
12:02	asciilifeform	'predicting that something is going to happen is a lot easier than predicting when something will happen. Suppose you have an old bridge: the concrete is cracked, chunks of it are missing with rusty rebar showing through. An inspector declares it “structurally deficient.” This bridge is definitely going to collapse at some point, but on what date? That is something that nobody can tell you. If you push for
12:02	asciilifeform	an answer, you might hear something like this: If it doesn’t collapse within a year, then it might stay up for another two. And if it stays up that long, then it might stay up for another decade. But if it stays up for an entire decade, then it will probably collapse within a year or two of that, because, given its rate of deterioration, at that point it will be entirely unclear what is holding it up.'
12:02	asciilifeform	(orlov, 'fragility and collapse.' http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/06/fragility-and-collapse-slowly-at-first.html)
12:03	bounce	I don't see it. I was saying to map it, do linear regression on it.
12:03	wywialm	i can imagine us collapse in the sense of it falling apart with some central power still serving the debt etc - not very realistic scenario, sure. I just wanted to ask to be sure
12:03	thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe
12:03	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00095936 / 0.00096627 (269828 shares, 258.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096649 / 0.00101 (3227854 shares, 3,119.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00092994 / 0.00101 (22778761 shares, 21,183.10 BTC)
12:04	BingoBoingo	wywialm: Basically the thing to hope for is USSR style collapse rather than Somalia style collapse
12:04	asciilifeform	'...If the number of cement chunks falling out of your bridge keeps doubling, you can compute the moment when every last piece of the bridge will be in the river, and that is your upper bound.'
12:05	benkay	little pockets of civilization will endure, wywialm.
12:05	benkay	near eletricity generation sites, i'm hoping.
12:05	mircea_popescu	bounce so you don't see where linearity is in "linear regression" ?
12:06	bounce	oh, there's a "not" missing there. duh.
12:06	mircea_popescu	lol ok, well, if you elide nots it'll become hard to follow :D
12:07	dignork	mircea_popescu: I talked with Spondoolies-Tech CEO, he'll try to get to this channel later tonight, if you have any specific questions I can forward then in the meantime
12:07	*	dignork trying his shilling skills
12:08	bounce	point was to make visible the rot. what to do after that, well... can even just eyeball the thing and look at crumbling acceleration rates and such
12:09	asciilifeform	'Spondoolies' ?! - actual name of something ?
12:09	dignork	asciilifeform: yes, no idea where the name came from
12:09	asciilifeform	lol
12:10	bounce	wikipedia knows, of course. sea shells.
12:10	wywialm	surely some sort of (even collapse-induced) decentralisation/recentralisation of power could bring much fresh air, but...
12:10	dexX7	can anyone tell me how google and other providers handle email rejections? i have some trouble with a hoster which i'm using as intermediate hop to relay my mails.. and currently every request/mail is rejected. service said they'll fix it "in the next 24 hours" -.-"
12:10	wywialm	...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line
12:10	bounce	noticed how the french revolution caused /more/, not less, centralisation? france hasn't quite recovered yet.
12:11	fluffypony	dexX7: typically they let it through but flag it as spam unless something is very wrong
12:11	fluffypony	dexX7: is the intermediary hop in your SPF record?
12:11	wywialm	bounce, surely, but the ussr collapse, which is (as i noticed) main reference point now, lead to less centralization
12:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03114122 = 0.5294 BTC [-] {5}
12:13	dexX7	i set the ns records of the hop in the domain settings and the intermediate simply redirects the mails
12:13	wywialm	so it's not easy to perform generalizations here. Probably most obvious example of decentralizing "collapse" (or rather decline) would be Rome
12:13	bounce	that took a goodly while, though
12:14	wywialm	maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature
12:14	bounce	likewise the ottoman empire
12:14	fluffypony	dexX7: yes, but the email will look like it's coming from the intermediary, no? so it will have to be in your SPF?
12:14	wywialm	bounce, thats why "collapse" and not collapse
12:14	dexX7	i guess: yes
12:15	mircea_popescu	;;rate Naphex 1 btcxchange.ro
12:15	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded.
12:15	bounce	and, I don't think russia is quite done yet.
12:15	mircea_popescu	dignork that is splendid
12:15	mircea_popescu	no rush or anything
12:15	Naphex	worked, thans
12:15	mircea_popescu	bounce as a "map the rot" project this is probably valuable even if it gets no direct results.
12:15	Naphex	thanks even
12:16	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
12:16	mircea_popescu	little better available in training devices in any craft than "failure examination"
12:16	fluffypony	dexX7: I'm guessing, of course, I may be wrong
12:16	mircea_popescu	Naphex yw
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12:16	mircea_popescu	<wywialm> ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line << it's the first in line of the set {US}
12:16	dexX7	well, should not be much of a problem, even if it's a blackhole at the moment. thanks fluffy anyway :)
12:16	asciilifeform	http://www.rfcafe.com/miscellany/contests/images/an-introduction-to-error-analysis.jpg
12:17	fluffypony	dexX7: btw is this being used programmatically by a system, or is it normal user-generated emails?
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.063602 = 0.1908 BTC [-] {2}
12:17	asciilifeform	(cover of an old uni textbook i had)
12:17	Apocalyptic	"ADAM BACK, CHIEF CRYPTOGRAPHY OFFICER"
12:17	mircea_popescu	<wywialm> maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature << they didn't have the press. which is why it took longer. ussr didn't have the internet, which is why it took so damned long.
12:17	Apocalyptic	that's a title you don't see very often
12:17	mircea_popescu	the us can collapse in all of two weeks, as tech stands today.
12:18	BingoBoingo	http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/texas/alamo-urinator-sentenced-to-prison-765419
12:18	dexX7	rabbit answered re: cold glass devices and probably comes by sooner or later
12:18	asciilifeform	cold glass?
12:18	dexX7	*dildos
12:18	dexX7	hehe
12:18	dexX7	sec
12:19	dexX7	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.0;all
12:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0075 = 0.3 BTC [+]
12:19	fluffypony	dexX7: been using this recently, and it's awesome: http://www.mailgun.com
12:19	dexX7	fluffypony: it's simply a webhost with mail service which redirects all incomings
12:20	bounce	checked the DNSBLs?
12:20	BingoBoingo	dexX7: Do you have DKIM set up?
12:20	mircea_popescu	Naphex you'll prolly have to point out to your boss you're doing more marketing/pr than anyone there.
12:20	mircea_popescu	time for a raise.
12:21	mircea_popescu	fluffypony srsly ? wtf does it do ? i was just deriding it yest.
12:21	asciilifeform	'NFC technology, you can be certain that the chip inside is exactly your chip- it has a unique authenticity signature, non-clonable, and most usefully, an access counter.' << someone needs 'protocol vs. promise' lesson?
12:21	Naphex	mircea_popescu: hehe, will send him a note :] only got 2 extra toothpicks this year:(
12:22	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I have constant issues with customers marking order updates as spam accidentally/on purpose, have that happen a few times and suddenly all customers stop getting emails from your domain
12:22	bounce	what, you're saying broadcasting unique serial numbers is somehow not automagic security on top? but! It's NFC, man!
12:22	fluffypony	all GMail customers, sorry
12:22	fluffypony	should have specified that
12:22	mircea_popescu	is this vuscan fellow the son of the oil factory vuscan, with the 3 victims traffic accident ?
12:22	fluffypony	but mailgun mails seem to go through no problem
12:22	dexX7	well, there is something about DKIM in the header
12:22	Naphex	mircea_popescu: yes
12:22	mircea_popescu	ic
12:22	Naphex	former Horea Oil
12:23	Naphex	for cooking, was named after him i think
12:23	joecool	BingoBoingo: lawl, ozzy got away with paying texas $10k to forget about it
12:23	BingoBoingo	joecool: Yeah
12:23	mircea_popescu	fluffypony so basically it sells you gmail protection services ? the spam racket ?
12:24	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: bingo
12:24	dexX7	anyway. i'm away again, thanks and bye :)
12:24	mircea_popescu	how the fuck is ycombinator involved in everything unsavoury.
12:24	bounce	they're angels, that's why
12:24	pankkake	dexX7: the basics are: reverse dns of sending server should be related to the expeditor domain (or at least be something), and SPF entries are always a plus
12:24	wywialm	mircea_popescu, still i don't see how currently visible and not visible but suspected cracks might bring down us
12:24	rithm	it's called "hacker news" after all
12:25	pankkake	you can search your IP on DNSBLs, maybe you've been flagged
12:25	joecool	$4k to "pay for the damage" who gets paid $4k to hose off a wall?
12:25	mircea_popescu	wywialm this is why i made my linearity objeciton. it won't collapse because of "cracks". it will collapse because all the people that matter are fucking sick of it.
12:25	mircea_popescu	and the people that matter are the 1%, not the average fucktard on reddit/the metro.
12:26	wywialm	true
12:26	fluffypony	yeah, because Occupy Wall Street was so successful
12:26	fluffypony	it just kinda went nowhere and fizzled out
12:26	bounce	so? hairline cracks are much less % of aeroplanes, but if you don't watch out the wings might still fall off
12:27	bounce	s/less/& than/
12:27	asciilifeform	'occupy lolstreet' is analogous to zhirinovsky's political party in the late ussr
12:27	wywialm	still, these people have some exposure to us treasuries - and yields are further than anytime from signaling default
12:27	asciilifeform	yes, the one set up by kgb
12:27	bounce	argl, cancel subst
12:27	Naphex	mircea_popescu: funny how people always remember the victim count :P
12:27	*	bounce needs food, badly
12:27	asciilifeform	as 'first second party!11!'
12:29	mircea_popescu	wywialm actually the exposure to treasuries is mostly pension funds.
12:29	asciilifeform	both -> exposure to 'bail-in'
12:30	wywialm	from my knowledge, the highest exposure is interbank collateral, bank reserves and China
12:30	mircea_popescu	in other news, the bubble is having trouble
12:30	mircea_popescu	http://www.cnbc.com/id/101585397
12:31	mircea_popescu	wywialm we were talking fo the {1%, 99%} set I thought
12:31	mircea_popescu	banks reduce to their shareholders, and foreign sovereigns don't count
12:31	mircea_popescu	china holding us debt is no sort of statement of confidence in the usg, quite the contrary, it's a claim on its asshole.
12:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.0009663 = 16.0406 BTC [+] {3}
12:34	wywialm	i once gave it (the china matter) a thought, and currently i believe it is to weak a claim. in case of default, china would get much much more hurt than us
12:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
12:34	wywialm	and banks are currently increasingly departed from their shareholders, too close to washington, dc
12:35	mircea_popescu	wywialm how do you figure, "much more hurt" ?
12:35	bounce	re asimov story: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/04/07/business/gods-edging-out-robots-at-toyota-facility/
12:35	mircea_popescu	"china takes over alaska administration, in consideration of debts owed by us government"
12:35	mircea_popescu	not thaty hurt.
12:37	wywialm	china banking system is built upon dollar reserves, after they evaporate, china could only use military force. And when it comes to war, any claim can serve only as a pretext
12:37	wywialm	i don't believe china would need a pretext if they were sufficiently prepared
12:38	mircea_popescu	i don't see that claim.
12:38	wywialm	bonds as a claim
12:38	mircea_popescu	chinese banks were built that way briefly in the 70s, i would guess.
12:38	mircea_popescu	meanwhile it's a lot more complicated, they also peg to the euro, they also peg to a russian synthetic-currency derived out of energy holdings,
12:39	mircea_popescu	and these are just the big ones
12:40	mircea_popescu	http://en.voice-yemen.com/content/uploads/blog-64-china-exports.jpg this is illustrative.
12:40	wywialm	why then the china monetary growth halts so rapidly when US QE3 is gradually folding, both in terms of dollar money supply growth and expectation of its future path?
12:40	mircea_popescu	their asian interests marginally exceed us and europe combined, for instance.
12:40	mircea_popescu	so while it wouldn't be alaksa per se, there's plenty of places it can be.
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12:41	mircea_popescu	wywialm many possible reasons. they had a number of local crises brewing for a long time, when your neighbour is arrested for unkempt yard is a good time to do a little lawn mowing in your own.
12:43	wywialm	if the dollar wasn't their main reference point and concern, PBoC could sustain their previous money growth at will
12:43	wywialm	after all, inflating the currency is not so difficult
12:44	mircea_popescu	of course they could.
12:44	mircea_popescu	they don't seem to want to.
12:45	bounce	how much for alaska, buying a free state with bitcoin?
12:45	wywialm	obviously true, at least in case of china.
12:45	wywialm	i remember some economists claiming that e.g. Japan couldn't inflate any further by printing money
12:45	mircea_popescu	bounce i would guess when it eventually sells it'll be something like 500k-1mn btc
12:46	wywialm	that was before Kuroda at the BoJ, of course
12:46	mircea_popescu	wywialm lol
12:46	wywialm	google richard koo, if i recall correcty
12:47	mircea_popescu	"Today, the tech industry is apparently on track to destroy one of the world’s most valuable cultural treasures, San Francisco, "
12:47	mircea_popescu	dude holy shit. san francisco is barely fucking notable, what is this navel grazing crap.
12:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
12:48	wywialm	and hordes of speciffically flavoured keynesians fearing the zero lower bound of interest rates, the called for fiscal expansion as a substitute
12:49	mircea_popescu	wywialm japan is not salvageable anyway.
12:49	bounce	o_O?
12:49	mircea_popescu	it has a history, but no future, just like england has a history, but no future.
12:50	Apocalyptic	not so sure about england
12:50	Apocalyptic	but definitely about Japan
12:50	mircea_popescu	they'll be the 51th state of their respective local superpowers, and be used exactly like san francisco is used today
12:50	joecool	nubbins`: you buying at all? i need a small amount of CAD
12:50	mircea_popescu	"o hey, 200 years ago mark twain whom you've read though this place was pretty cool.
12:50	mircea_popescu	back then, it was."
12:50	wywialm	i agree about japan
12:52	mircea_popescu	anyway, this piece is pretty lulzy http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/
12:56	Naphex	mircea_popescu: how do I get btcx data into gribble?:D
12:57	fluffypony	Naphex: ask nanotube
12:57	mircea_popescu	nanotube may help you with that, possibly also talk to tcatm (runs bitcoincharts)
12:57	pankkake	first step is being on bitcoincharts I think
12:57	fluffypony	good point
12:58	thestringpuller	;;ud hold up
12:58	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hold%20up | hold up. wait a minute! postpone your plans, there's something that must be addressed immediately. hold up, let me grab some munchies before we get goin.
12:58	Naphex	thanks
12:58	Naphex	already rolled out api, just need some accessors to help people with the public data
12:58	Naphex	https://api.btcxchange.ro/
12:59	danielpbarron	do you run that site?
12:59	thestringpuller	benkay: you actually here or just frontin'
12:59	Naphex	hoping to finish the data plant and eur support sometime next week
12:59	asciilifeform	'The Google Bus protesters have said that the company should build housing on its campus, but the Mountain View city council has explicitly forbidden Google from doing just that. They’ve argued that it’s to protect the city’s burrowing owl population.' << real estate parasites want to live too
13:00	Naphex	danielpbarron: one of the main programmers behind it
13:03	benkay	i'm here thestringpuller
13:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0524999 = 0.105 BTC [-]
13:08	bounce	programmer? can you describe your set-up a bit?
13:12	Naphex	bounce: setup of what, like the workstation?
13:12	bounce	whatever you think is important about developing and running the exchange.
13:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.03199918 = 1.76 BTC [+] {4}
13:15	jborkl	mircea_popescu you see the American Airways twitter reponse yesterday?
13:15	mircea_popescu	jborkl that they apologise ? ya
13:15	jborkl	ya
13:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03280624 = 0.2624 BTC [+] {3}
13:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0637 = 0.1274 BTC [-]
13:19	wywialm	!down
13:19	assbot	Need a nickname, wywialm.
13:20	wywialm	!down wywialm
13:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.063602 = 0.3816 BTC [-]
13:20	mircea_popescu	lolwut
13:20	mircea_popescu	!down wywialm
13:20	mircea_popescu	hahaha niceone
13:20	Naphex	bounce: well for the trading engine i focused a lot on performance and security
13:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.08299776 = 0.581 BTC [-] {2}
13:21	Apocalyptic	Naphex, is it in php ?
13:21	Naphex	Apocalyptic: lol no
13:21	Apocalyptic	what language then ?
13:21	Naphex	Apocalyptic: java for the backend
13:22	mircea_popescu	http://sgtreport.com/2014/04/unidentified-fighter-jets-open-fire-on-kramatorsk-airfield-casualties-reported/
13:22	mircea_popescu	java is focused on security ?!
13:22	Naphex	php for some of the frontend with no handling of critical data
13:22	Naphex	mircea_popescu: yeah, its not like its running in the browser
13:23	Naphex	plus you run it on isolated enviroment with no other vulnerable cruft there
13:23	wywialm	why did i get de-identified? why did i get kicked instead of muted?
13:23	mircea_popescu	wywialm questions for the ages.
13:23	Naphex	and you clean the input through load balancers before fowarding in it
13:24	Naphex	i expect more vulnerable code from C guys then Java guys tbh
13:25	Apocalyptic	<mircea_popescu> java is focused on security ?! // surprised as well, it's not focused on performance either
13:25	pankkake	a selling point of java is its simplicity (I'm gentle, I hate that aspect but well)
13:25	Apocalyptic	gotta love that fat VM
13:25	Naphex	its pretty high performance if you're not running on shitty servlets
13:25	pankkake	in return it's easy to analyze
13:25	Naphex	Standalone java, nio, is pretty high performance tbh
13:25	TestingUnoDosTre	Haha American airlines twitted some pron?
13:25	Naphex	BigDecimal performance nicely as well
13:26	Naphex	don't belive it, try some benchmarks :P
13:26	Apocalyptic	Naphex, high performance compared to what an equivalent code compiled in C ? doubt it
13:26	fluffypony	TestingUnoDosTre: yeah saw that, it's hilarious :)
13:26	pankkake	java is amazing in the sense that it performs well at benchmark
13:26	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
13:26	pankkake	but when you use it it FEELS so slow
13:27	Naphex	runs pretty good
13:27	Apocalyptic	pankkake, java and amazing don't belong to the same sentence, ever :D
13:27	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
13:27	fluffypony	I'll take an exchange with Java on the back than PHP any day
13:27	pankkake	fluffypony: yeah. even though, again, I really don't like Java as a developer
13:28	Naphex	i like it
13:28	fluffypony	pankkake: I personally dislike it too
13:28	Naphex	and i do C, C++ as well
13:28	Naphex	nothing to dislike about it
13:28	Naphex	imho
13:29	Naphex	its got hard types, you get away from low level
13:29	Naphex	its not that bad too scale, threading is a breeze
13:29	Naphex	NIO classes are awesome
13:30	Naphex	everything is checked, exceptions everywhere (yes a good thing) :)
13:30	Apocalyptic	exception handlers are a killing performance
13:30	Naphex	nothing to qq about
13:30	pankkake	yes, it's certainly cleaner than C++ on that aspect
13:31	Apocalyptic	you get away from low level // that's almost always a bad thing in performance critical applications
13:31	Naphex	Apocalyptic: they don't kill too much performance when you are sensible about it
13:31	Apocalyptic	i.e. it will probably spend a tremendous amount of time doing things you don't want it doing
13:31	bounce	how do load balancers clean input?
13:31	Naphex	doing Price-Time prio is not that performance critical that you can't do it with BigDecimal and java
13:31	Naphex	or you have to do a C/C plugin to optimize :P
13:32	Apocalyptic	plugins ?
13:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00096695 = 1.257 BTC [+]
13:32	Naphex	bounce: load balancer with packet inspection, validate messages and packets before
13:32	Apocalyptic	since you work with sathosi-precision an uint_64 is all you need
13:32	Apocalyptic	he bignum library will once again slow things down
13:32	Apocalyptic	*the
13:32	Naphex	Apocalyptic: as in write a C .so to implement/optimize bogdowns
13:32	bounce	validate in what sense, ip packets? tcp streams?
13:33	Naphex	Apocalyptic: its not about that, you eventually want to support more currencies and some money formatting
13:33	Apocalyptic	so what ?
13:33	Naphex	bounce: down to data packets for specific services
13:33	Apocalyptic	you're telling me you will need to store things above 64-bit precision ?
13:34	bounce	http, or what're you taking in, FIX?
13:34	Apocalyptic	zimbabwe dollars planned soon ?
13:34	Naphex	hehe
13:34	fluffypony	I'd love me some Zim Dollaz
13:34	BingoBoingo	http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140414/NEWS08/304140043/Pentagon-condemns-provocative-Russian-military-action-against-U-S-Navy-ship
13:35	Naphex	Apocalyptic: its not that, but a lot more went into picking java, and i definetly wouldn't have picked C:P
13:35	Apocalyptic	why ?
13:35	Naphex	programmer availability would have been another one
13:35	Apocalyptic	for now all you're arguments for using java are kinda superfluous
13:35	Naphex	hard to find good C programmers vs java ones
13:35	Apocalyptic	*your
13:36	Naphex	this around the location where i live
13:36	Apocalyptic	and it's clearly not optimized for performance given what you've described
13:36	kakobrekla	;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a requirement of leaving the feedback, but since he is asking to give him back btc 'for old time
13:36	kakobrekla	sakes', I will leave this feedback here.
13:36	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user usagi has been recorded.
13:36	Naphex	easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced
13:36	kakobrekla	fuck it doesnt fit
13:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13465 @ 0.00096695 = 13.02 BTC [+]
13:36	Apocalyptic	<Naphex> easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced // ok this is a point
13:36	pankkake	omg!
13:36	Apocalyptic	but you will notice it has nothing to do with performance or securit
13:36	Apocalyptic	+y
13:37	fluffypony	kakobrekla: now he'll have to recant his earlier statement
13:37	bounce	so, java for the back-end and some php for some front. what about the tradig webfront and the trading api?
13:37	fluffypony	Marc
13:37	Naphex	is from a java / rpc server standpoind :]
13:37	kakobrekla	:D
13:37	bounce	s/dig/ding/
13:37	fluffypony	Markakobrekla
13:38	kakobrekla	;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a clause re. wot, but since he is asking back btc, I will leave it here.
13:38	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from 1 to 1.
13:38	kakobrekla	thar.
13:38	Naphex	bounce: trading api just hits same engine api server as the frontend
13:39	mircea_popescu	Naphex you know you should be using ints for bitcoin in the first place. wtf decimal bs is this
13:40	fluffypony	yurp
13:40	Apocalyptic	mircea, see above
13:40	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla wins the "longest rate comment" contest.
13:41	kakobrekla	lol
13:41	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic yeah you beat me to it :p
13:41	Naphex	mircea_popescu: http://java-performance.info/bigdecimal-vs-double-in-financial-calculations/
13:41	Apocalyptic	who said anything about double ?
13:41	mircea_popescu	Naphex int dood. not decimal of any kind. int.
13:42	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot usagi
13:42	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
13:42	bounce	everybody knows accounting should be done on the double
13:42	mircea_popescu	check that shit out.
13:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0525 = 0.1575 BTC [+] {2}
13:42	Naphex	mircea_popescu: bigdecimal gets to deal with all that, and you don't have to store multiple currencies with a scale value as well
13:42	Naphex	i have multi-currency support handled in the engine
13:43	mircea_popescu	if i were designing this it'd all be satoshi based, and your 19.99 dollars'd read as 1999000000
13:43	mircea_popescu	but anyway1
13:43	Apocalyptic	^
13:43	Naphex	and then you would've have kept the scale value as well right
13:43	Apocalyptic	maybe just set some smaller precision on the fiat side
13:43	Naphex	USD scale .2
13:43	bounce	alright, so, you cook up a new feature. hit reload and it goes live? or how does that work?
13:43	Naphex	dogecoin .scale 8
13:44	mircea_popescu	Naphex why keep a scale value ?
13:44	Apocalyptic	bounce, hotswapping code, gotta love it
13:44	mircea_popescu	you're on a 64 bit system, who the fuck is going to deposit enough dollars to take you out of maxint
13:44	Naphex	i dunno
13:44	Naphex	why care about that>
13:44	bounce	YKINMK, and anyway, let the guy explain
13:44	Apocalyptic	mircea, because he uses some arbitrary precision library he doesn't have a clue that he doesn't need it
13:44	Naphex	use bigdecimal and let it handle o.O
13:44	mircea_popescu	92`233`720`368.54775807 worst case scenario.
13:44	mircea_popescu	even obama dun have it.
13:45	bounce	or that mexican telephone guy
13:45	davout	Apocalyptic: what's wrong with a bigdecimal type?
13:45	Naphex	davout: nothing is
13:45	Naphex	hehe
13:46	Apocalyptic	compared to native int handling it's worse performance-wise
13:46	Apocalyptic	which is what we're arguing here
13:46	Naphex	i just don't need it, and would probably run faster going native
13:46	Naphex	too bad i run this on 32 core
13:46	Naphex	and i never get too feel much performance increase yet
13:46	davout	Apocalyptic: benchmark pl0x
13:46	Apocalyptic	even so, it will use 2 registers to store one Naphex
13:46	Apocalyptic	no big deal
13:46	davout	also if you really care about this kind of performance difference you're doing some seriously messed up shit
13:47	davout	:-)
13:47	Apocalyptic	still better than the thousands of CPU-cycles overhead using that BigDecimal
13:47	Naphex	time to start writing a new exchange engine, with its own kernel ;]
13:47	bounce	in perl
13:47	Naphex	Apocalyptic: too bad i can scale this too still low cost and get whole bitcoin exchange trafic
13:48	Naphex	and not break much sweat
13:48	davout	Apocalyptic: is it what you think or have you actually benchmarked it ? also cpu cycles are a couple of order of magnitudes cheaper than the time it takes to handle it the code level by hungry humans
13:48	bounce	naphex: suppose you cook up a new feature. how does it go in? save work, reload and go?
13:49	bounce	davout: for single applications, yes. for things that run on 30M+ cpus, not so much.
13:49	davout	bounce:
13:49	Naphex	bounce: nah, git checkout, compile, run tests, test in pre-production, run tests again
13:49	bounce	s/single/& deployment/ really
13:49	Naphex	shutdown and reload
13:49	davout	whoops
13:49	Apocalyptic	davout, i don't need to benchmark something I know will require 1 ASM MUL EAX,EBX instruction for exemple compared to a Java arbitrary-precision library
13:49	Naphex	when you do git checkout there are some other code preprocessing before, but doesn't matter
13:50	bounce	alright, so you have separate dev/test/prod environments. how does roll-back work, should that be necessary?
13:50	Naphex	bounce: time based snapshots, backups, and replayable transactions with microtime acuracy
13:50	Naphex	roll back everything to point in time X
13:50	Apocalyptic	"replayable transactions with microtime acuracy" now that's something nice
13:50	Naphex	worst case scenario manual data importing and conversiion
13:51	bounce	ever tested that?
13:51	davout	Apocalyptic: what kind of software that's so sensitive to minor performance differences were you guys discussing anyway ?
13:51	Naphex	bounce: yes
13:51	bounce	assuming you didn't have to do it in anger (yet)
13:51	Apocalyptic	davout, a trading engine
13:51	fluffypony	davout: BTC<->fiat exchange
13:51	bounce	what's the database like?
13:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 707 @ 0.00016382 = 0.1158 BTC [-] {7}
13:51	fluffypony	bounce: good question
13:51	davout	Apocalyptic fluffypony and you guys worry about this kind of performance difference?
13:52	fluffypony	davout: I'm not
13:52	Apocalyptic	davout, when you come in claiming you have focused on performance yes
13:52	kakobrekla	all you really need is a better string.
13:52	Naphex	bounce: in memory, sql back stores
13:52	kakobrekla	maybe a golden chain.
13:52	fluffypony	davout: I'd probably go Galera Cluster for the DB + something monolithic for the trading engine...python? nfi. I haven't thought this through.
13:52	Naphex	Apocalyptic: haven't focused that far, no more debunking needed:P
13:52	bounce	so java in-memory or something like I dunno memcached?
13:53	Naphex	java in memory, with some inhouse disk based storage, and sql backstores
13:53	fluffypony	Naphex: you should switch to mongodb, it it's good enough for CoinBase it should be good enough for everyone
13:53	fluffypony	</sarcasm>
13:53	fluffypony	web scale!
13:53	davout	Apocalyptic fluffypony i wouldn't care about that, i'd care about having a fault tolerant memory db, that slowly gets synced to an actual rdbms
13:53	bounce	apropos, which sql thinger?
13:53	Apocalyptic	mysql obviously
13:54	Naphex	psql
13:54	pankkake	obviously?
13:54	Apocalyptic	was joking :)
13:54	Naphex	obviously
13:54	bounce	obviously.
13:54	Naphex	:))
13:54	pankkake	:)
13:54	bounce	ever had the power go out?
13:54	Naphex	bounce: diesel backup ;]
13:55	Naphex	coloc
13:55	bounce	hope you don't have to crank it up manually. :-)
13:55	Naphex	there's a slave there who does it :))
13:55	bounce	he fast enough that the batteries don't outrun him then?
13:56	Naphex	he senses power loss 20 minutes early
13:56	Naphex	using romanian voodoo magic ;]
13:56	fluffypony	nice
13:56	fluffypony	gypsy slave?
13:56	fluffypony	or just ordinary slave?
13:57	Naphex	hehe
13:57	Apocalyptic	fluffypony, ask if they still have some copper left in the DC
13:57	fluffypony	lol
13:57	davout	lol
13:57	fluffypony	100mbps is good enough for anyone!
13:57	bounce	so, that's one box with 32cpus does everything except the load balancing?
13:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 300 @ 0.14 = 42 BTC
13:57	fluffypony	10Base-T coax, star topology?
13:58	Naphex	bounce: enough servers for everything, some stuff runs isolated
13:59	bounce	alright. monitoring?
13:59	fluffypony	http://network-communications.blogspot.com/2011/06/network-topology-star-bus-mesh-ring.html <- memories of networking in 1997
13:59	bounce	10BASE5 tentacled bus, silly
13:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0667238 = 0.1334 BTC [+]
13:59	bounce	VAMPIRE TAPS
13:59	fluffypony	hah
14:00	Naphex	realtime monitoring, rrd's for everything with alerts, everything critical is on a dashboard :)
14:00	bounce	who's looking at it, you?
14:01	Naphex	?
14:01	bounce	if that's a question.... anyway, whose phone's gonna ring when the dashboard turns red?
14:02	Naphex	everyones
14:02	bounce	how many people total, about five or so?
14:02	Naphex	probably
14:03	bounce	alright, the prosecution rests. ;-)
14:03	Naphex	phew :))
14:04	Naphex	nah its serious stuff
14:04	Naphex	money is important for everyone ;]
14:05	bounce	yeah. these're the sort of questions people should've been asking from the start.
14:05	bounce	you at least look to've thought about it, so that's something.
14:06	Naphex	i did lots of this stuff before, so most come in natural
14:06	bounce	you worked at a bank before?
14:06	Naphex	a lot more risk to expect from handling money and bitcoins then public transport data
14:07	Naphex	nah - no banks
14:07	Naphex	embedded and industrial app development, in software
14:07	bounce	bit of an old boys network, apparently. hard to get chummy with if you're not one of them.
14:07	Naphex	and lots of backends
14:07	bounce	ah, hence java
14:08	fluffypony	bounce: and also seems to be quite an MS shop in many parts, at least with the older more established banks
14:08	Apocalyptic	makes sense
14:08	Naphex	yes
14:08	bounce	winderz but often with ibmish backends
14:08	fluffypony	lots of IBM DB2 on the backend if it's really old stuff
14:08	fluffypony	yes
14:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [-]
14:10	bounce	really should do linux (well, *BSD really) thin clients at least for all the desks, and something reasonable for a back-end. which might still be some mainframe or other.
14:10	Naphex	http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/cat/urban+transportation?var=2 some stuff i did
14:10	fluffypony	and then for some reason automation and tooling written in COBOL
14:10	bounce	s/desks/teller stations/
14:10	Naphex	http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/name/citypark+ticket+vending+machines?var=1 and
14:10	fluffypony	bounce: from about 2003-2007 I was heavily involved with two of the local banks
14:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00097009 = 11.5441 BTC [+] {2}
14:11	fluffypony	the one, Standard Bank, ran OS/2 warp in a VM for their home loans client
14:11	fluffypony	literally every single agent/manager/support person in the home loans dept used that
14:11	fluffypony	because rewriting the system would have been too expensive, and IBM sold them on OS/2 in the 80s/90s
14:12	bounce	OS/2 does funky things to the hardware, apparently a bitch to emulate
14:12	bounce	not a bad move otherwise. though I'd still be mighty tempted to just quietly start and refactor parts until I have a fully working system, even if it takes a few years
14:13	fluffypony	well that was one of the projects I was on
14:13	fluffypony	we started with reporting
14:13	fluffypony	instead of live reporting off DB2 (each business unit pays for DB2 access they use over the month, so it's pricey) it was cheaper to drop and re-copy the entire DB every night to a reporting DB
14:14	fluffypony	re-index, and fresh reports are available in the morning
14:15	fluffypony	no clue if it progressed much from there, I went on to other things
14:15	bounce	naphex: looking cool.
14:15	bounce	page appears to make some unwarranted assumptions in the layout, but anyway
14:17	Naphex	all sorts of machines for eastern europe mostly
14:17	bounce	should be plenty market, if a bit cash-strapped
14:18	Naphex	yeah
14:19	Naphex	few cities in romania that use our full solution for public transport
14:19	Naphex	some parking meters for poland
14:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1715 @ 0.00019872 = 0.3408 BTC [+] {8}
14:28	mircea_popescu	http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-11-zim-informal-economy-fast-taking-over
14:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+]
14:29	fluffypony	<3 mg
14:29	fluffypony	it's honestly one of our better publications
14:34	asciilifeform	'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean
		↖ ↖ ↖
14:35	asciilifeform	(circa 2005 ?)
14:36	BingoBoingo	C == Portable language that is dangerous because it offers too many points of failure, Java ==Portable language that places points of failure in the runtime to avoid C's points of failure
14:37	Apocalyptic	C is raw power, it's dangerous if you don't really know what you're doing
14:37	asciilifeform	they give plastic scissors to grade school students, too. - but not shoemakers. not yet.
14:38	asciilifeform	also funny how the two 'philosophies' can co-exist in one school. we had an 'operating systems' class. C, naturally. about six people remained to take final exam.
14:39	asciilifeform	(from, if i recall, 40)
14:41	Naphex	i don't have anything against C
14:41	Naphex	just wouldn't use it for a big project involving 4+ programmers in a usual work day
14:42	Naphex	every
14:42	jborkl	mircea_popescu <- finally happy with this result http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140415_B5_XR9/
14:42	asciilifeform	there is really no reason to still be using CPU archs without bounds checking, hardware-enforced types, mechanical garbage collection, etc.
14:42	asciilifeform	i sorta have a blog about this.
14:43	BingoBoingo	Indeed
14:44	mike_c	hardware garbage collection? what arch does that?
14:44	pankkake	was going to ask that
14:44	pankkake	or is it possible?
14:45	jurov	iirc lisp machines had no addressable memory, only stack
14:45	jurov	no heap = no garbage colletion
14:45	jurov	*had -> exposed
14:48	mike_c	so i dump a 5mb buffer on the stack?
14:49	mike_c	is lisp functional? this seems odd.
14:59	artifexd	jborkl: Dude! That is a seriously massive improvement!
15:04	BingoBoingo	Cool, I don't suck much either http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140415_DA_YCD/
15:07	Naphex	http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/
15:09	bounce	bit heavy on the js for a page that doesn't look like it should need any
15:10	BingoBoingo	bounce: I have some basic (google free) analytics stuff.
15:10	Apocalyptic	Naphex, not surprising
15:11	thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe
15:11	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096134 / 0.00097025 (244990 shares, 235.52 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096606 / 0.00101 (3233012 shares, 3,123.30 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093014 / 0.00101 (22748973 shares, 21,159.92 BTC)
15:11	Apocalyptic	"but they said they are an industry-grade exchange !"
15:11	jborkl	artifexd ty - I am using a js cache on the server
15:11	jborkl	so might be why it looks heavy idk have not gotten that far yet
15:11	bounce	google isn't exactly parsimonious with client cycles.
15:13	Naphex	their response http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/cgt6xs5 :)
15:16	bounce	pretty speedy response at least. but how the fsck do you fail to account for p/l on a day you "restart your systems"? what're they running, batch-only dinosaurs?
15:17	Apocalyptic	"Part of the gains or losses for that day are lost" is this acceptable ?
15:18	bounce	I'd say no, but I'm no accountant.
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16:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.17320895 BTC to 13`595 shares, 23341 satoshi per share
16:01	fluffypony	http://bgr.com/2014/04/15/galaxy-s5s-fingerprint-scanner-hacked/
16:03	pankkake	bio id will always be stupid, why even try
16:03	bounce	hax! and yet you can see paypal deaffirm their religious beliefs in fingerprint "security". no wonder the hatted bunch keeps on having a field day.
16:03	fluffypony	pankkake I think it has its place
16:03	fluffypony	remember that like 90% of the world thinks "password" is an ok password, and "password1234" is secure
16:03	asciilifeform	jurov: hardware garbage collection? what arch does that << 'scheme-79' chip.
16:03	fluffypony	"password1234!" is ultra-secure
16:04	pankkake	maybe for unlocking the phone if it has been unlocked less than an hour ago, but I would never put more trust in it
16:04	fluffypony	yes
16:04	bounce	spaceballs.
16:04	fluffypony	but
16:04	fluffypony	stuff like TouchID when coupled with iCloud Keychain is awesome for the general populace
16:04	fluffypony	as it makes drive-by attacks much harder
16:04	fluffypony	and moves the attack surface from drive-by, remove attacks, to on-device/in-person attacks
16:04	fluffypony	which are more sophisticated and targeted
16:05	bounce	why yes, "make believe security" and other snake oil are awesome for the general populace
16:06	fluffypony	bounce: we're talking about a significant improvement over the current state of affairs, that isn't snake oil
16:06	fluffypony	unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P
16:07	bounce	convenient shiny fingerprint pads with pre-supplied fingerprints are of course very well helped when secured by... fingerprints
16:07	fluffypony	sure, but it requires physical presence
16:07	fluffypony	you need to physically control the device
16:08	fluffypony	and unless you know I'm Bob the Billionaire with Billionz in his Bank...why target me?
16:10	bounce	sure, pickpockets and petty thieves usually prefer billionaires, that's a fact.
16:12	fluffypony	I don't think there's been a successful attack on TouchID / Samsung's fingerprint login that lifted a fingerprint from the device and used it to unlock it?
16:13	Naphex	fluffypony: backdoors in phone software ninjaing your accesses?:p
16:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1770 @ 0.00096649 = 1.7107 BTC [-] {2}
16:14	bounce	what was that lovely bypass bug in iOS again?
16:14	bounce	then there's the radio interface side
16:14	fluffypony	Naphex: yeah but that's a different attack surface entirely, I'm just talking about taking the general security level of the general populace up a notch
16:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096426 = 4.2427 BTC [-]
16:15	fluffypony	bounce: I fully agree, but again, we're not talking about sophisticated attacks here
16:15	bounce	the thing is that this "general populace" includes everyone, which to the fone company certainly includes *you*
16:15	nubbins`	joecool_ sorry, i generally don't buy
16:15	Apocalyptic	what's the last word on danny ?
16:16	fluffypony	bounce: also most of the iOS bypass bugs I've played with have exposed photos, or the dialler, or something...not a complete unmitigated unlock
16:16	fluffypony	Apocalyptic: this thing - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/
16:17	bounce	the only real fix is that we really start thinking about this, and indeed, educate most people --which used to be possible, they learned their letters and numbers too, after all-- instead of just throwing the latest in buzzwordery at it. like "biometrics".
16:17	bounce	especially since biometrics are fundamentally and fatally flawed
16:17	mircea_popescu	"I assure you our system is not fundamentally flawed, there are bugs and we try to find them before the customer."
16:17	mircea_popescu	this sounds vaguely bitdaytradesque
16:18	Apocalyptic	ty fluffypony
16:18	Naphex	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/22/iphone_5_touchid_broken_by_chaos_computer_club/ back in '13
16:18	bounce	it's the industry standard, with pentesting and other such "due diligence"
16:18	mircea_popescu	fluffypony "password1234!" is ultra-secure << remember the 88seals88 and pokerseals etc pws ?
16:19	fluffypony	lol yeah
16:19	kakobrekla	88seals88 ?
16:19	mircea_popescu	<fluffypony> unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P << i just belive everyone who isn't is going to be relegated to the salt mines. why should every human qualify as a "user" ?
16:19	fluffypony	kakobrekla: http://thehackernews.com/2013/12/SealsWithClubs-bitcoin-poker-hacked-password-dump_20.html
16:19	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: so survival of the secure-ist?
16:19	mircea_popescu	yes.
16:20	BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/15/a-better-toy-computer-vaxberry-pie/
16:20	mircea_popescu	whosoever can not use a computer, should not be using computers.
16:20	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: agreed. is this about the time I self-identify as a bitcoin-assets cultist?
16:20	fluffypony	cultee?
16:20	kakobrekla	jesus fuuck 42k members?
16:21	mircea_popescu	perhaps ?
16:21	mircea_popescu	but you know... what now, make books that even people who won't learn the alphabet can read ?
16:21	mircea_popescu	make a math that doesn't need numbers ?
16:21	mircea_popescu	enough i say.
16:22	fluffypony	maybe there should be a test
16:22	mircea_popescu	bounce tbh biometrics was a thing of the 70s i thought. pretty much all sf of that decade had it, and by 90s it was in every action movie out there.
16:22	bounce	bingoboingo: later model MIPS in new process might be interesting too
16:22	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yeah that was actually a pw.
16:22	fluffypony	it could start with the difference between your and you're, than and then, and (to spite me) principal and principle:-P
16:22	mircea_popescu	fluffypony there is a test.
16:23	Apocalyptic	"I have a family funeral to attend." #1 BS excuse
16:23	Apocalyptic	seriously the guy isn't even trying to sound legit
16:23	bounce	oh, you want 32bit. hm. how about Z80000 for something nicely obscure? maybe moto 88k?
16:23	kakobrekla	it was the hamster.
16:23	fluffypony	Apocalyptic: I always ask if I can go along to provide support :)
16:24	kakobrekla	and if he says yes?
16:24	BingoBoingo	bounce: Sure but I dunno what a MIPs cooks as. A Vax though is a noble animal that has the potential for a delicious meat pie. Also just the sound of Vaxberry Pie works.
16:24	mircea_popescu	'Mass abduction' at #Nigeria school- about 100 girls, likely by Boko Haram
16:24	mircea_popescu	they're in for some fun...
16:24	mircea_popescu	http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27037181
16:24	fluffypony	kakobrekla: then you go along
16:25	fluffypony	to provide support
16:25	BingoBoingo	bounce: A big point is that OpenBSD is already on Vax working well, and they are very unlikely to abandon it.
16:25	fluffypony	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/cgt568i?context=4
16:25	fluffypony	"Yes I am Mirceau Popescu soon to be extradited to the USSA"
16:25	kakobrekla	even its in zimbabwe, fluffypony?
16:25	kakobrekla	even if*
16:26	Apocalyptic	"Mirceau" again
16:26	bounce	apparently biometrics stays afloat on the pretty pix in teh moveez, for if you spend but a few seconds thinking about it, it becomes obvious that it cannot be a good fit for the purpose
16:26	Apocalyptic	"The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief"
16:26	Apocalyptic	guy has a point
16:27	fluffypony	kakobrekla: no, only if it's local, I'm assuming this isn't someone asking to go on an overseas holid^z^z^z^z family emergency
16:27	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic except it works like this : scammers love to mention their kids/wives (anyone recall patrick harnett ?)
16:28	mircea_popescu	for many reasons, part of which being that the emotional fuckwits who "invest" with them react to such
16:28	Apocalyptic	I see
16:28	pankkake	interesting
16:28	mircea_popescu	but a bigger part of which being that when they go to shit, they can try to divert the discussion on unrelated emo topicsa
16:28	mircea_popescu	as if anyone gives a shit if danny brewster's daughter ends up in a snuff video or in cypriots have talent
16:28	Anduck	!up chairman_meow
16:28	assbot	Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.
16:29	Apocalyptic	does he even have one ?
16:29	chairman_meow	thanks
16:29	Anduck	chairman_meow: now you can ask more info from people here who may know how it works
16:29	mircea_popescu	but no, let's discuss nonsense instead of how fuckwit danny failed to enter the wot, then failed to heed when mp said get in the wot or i'll fuck you up, then got fucked up.
16:29	Anduck	you have 30 minutes
16:29	chairman_meow	Hello
16:29	mircea_popescu	hi.
16:29	chairman_meow	assbot isnt working properly. I already ident'ed with gribble. I PM'ed !up to assbot, but it's failing
16:30	mircea_popescu	chairman_meow you have to be in its trust chain.
16:30	chairman_meow	it tells me "You must auth with gribble first."
16:30	Apocalyptic	;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow
16:30	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chairman_meow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chairman_meow | Rated since: never
16:30	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow
16:30	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chairman_meow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chairman_meow | Rated since: never
16:30	Apocalyptic	damn you mircea
16:30	chairman_meow	;;ident
16:30	gribble	CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None
16:30	mircea_popescu	lol
16:30	Apocalyptic	chairman_meow, it's working as intended
16:30	jurov	;;gettrust assbot paulo_
16:30	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user paulo_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=paulo_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=paulo_ | Rated since: Sun Apr 1 16:46:37 2012
16:30	Anduck	Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu: if it works correctly, then the message is wrong. "You must auth with gribble first."
16:31	mircea_popescu	maybe kakobrekla can be arsed to make special error messages for each case. or maybe not. ha-ha!
16:31	pankkake	I have compiled sudo with the "offensive" USE flag. when my password is wrong, I get random insults
16:31	mircea_popescu	"If individuals admit guilt & reach civil settlement w/ govt, they can't deduct costs from tax returns. Companies can" << true, and pretty epic
16:32	chairman_meow	so.. I need a trust connection to assbot?
16:32	mircea_popescu	you need a rating from someone assbot trusts.
16:32	chairman_meow	!jd
16:32	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 15899 BTC profit, 33.1k BTC invested, 1044.40 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered
16:32	mircea_popescu	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT
16:32	mircea_popescu	there's your list
16:33	BingoBoingo	chairman_meow: What do you do?
16:33	bounce	such not authenticated
16:33	Anduck	hehe
16:33	BingoBoingo	!up chairman_meow
16:33	assbot	Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
16:34	kakobrekla	special message for what
16:34	chairman_meow	so.. what to do now heh
16:34	chairman_meow	I need to trade with one of these guys?
16:35	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla apparently if id'd but untrusted guy pms assbot he gets the same message as if he weren't id'd.
16:35	kakobrekla	impossibru
16:35	mircea_popescu	well at least it's what the guy claims.
16:35	Naphex	nah you get you need wot>0
16:35	Naphex	i can verify
16:36	mircea_popescu	ah ? ok then!
16:36	Anduck	mircea_popescu: i've been wondering why do you not use bitcointalk forums?
16:36	Anduck	and why doesnt your pr use irc???
16:36	mircea_popescu	because i don't associate with idiots.
16:36	Apocalyptic	Anduck, really ?
16:36	Anduck	yes really
16:36	Apocalyptic	(first question)
16:36	mircea_popescu	because what use would she be if i;m here ?
16:37	Anduck	well why is his pr then using bitcointalk :D
16:37	chairman_meow	maybe assbot is sending to gribble ";;ident chairman_meow"
16:37	Apocalyptic	cause she was paid to
16:37	mircea_popescu	i spent some money trying to educate a bunch of idiots.
16:37	chairman_meow	;;ident chairman_meow
16:37	mircea_popescu	it benefited a few.
16:37	gribble	CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None
16:37	BingoBoingo	chairman_meow: Well what you do affects how you get trust
16:37	bounce	chairman_meow: trade, impress, get chummy with, con, bribe, blackmail, what-have-you.
16:37	chairman_meow	oh wait, nevermind that was wrong
16:38	chairman_meow	why the change of rules for bitcoin-assets?
16:38	mircea_popescu	chairman_meow read the logs for the 10th, iirc.
16:39	Anduck	someone with assbot trust now needs to rate him
16:39	mike_c	or this: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/
16:39	Anduck	so he can up himself
16:39	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/#c2784 teh ppl doth protest
16:40	chairman_meow	ok, you can just let me be unvoiced now. I guess I'll eventually get that trade
16:40	BingoBoingo	Well I wouldn't be averse to offering trust for a small trade if I knew what the person's shtick is
16:40	mircea_popescu	kinda curious what that guy that was going to do the math to show how weight is not sharp enough comes up with.
16:40	BingoBoingo	!up chairman_meow
16:40	assbot	Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
16:40	mircea_popescu	chairman_meow start with simpler stuff. what do you do ?
16:41	BingoBoingo	Not necessary monetary, quid pro quo works
16:41	chairman_meow	mircea_popescu: well I invest in just-dice
16:41	chairman_meow	I don't really do much
16:41	chairman_meow	sometimes dogecoins
16:41	mircea_popescu	how much of their 10k is you ?
16:41	Anduck	how is that relevant
16:42	Apocalyptic	Anduck, that's probably the extent of his involvement with bitcoin
16:42	mircea_popescu	because if he comes back with something like 10% i'll challenge him to prove it, after which rate him.
16:42	Apocalyptic	given he mentionned that as the #1 thing
16:42	mircea_popescu	otherwise, anyone can invest a bitcent anywhere, hardly a qualifier.
16:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096236 = 7.2177 BTC [-] {2}
16:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03000101 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2}
16:42	Anduck	sure
16:42	mircea_popescu	http://youngcons.com/this-actually-happened-irs-sent-a-five-year-old-boy-a-letter-about-his-taxes-his-response-is-hilarious/ << great for a lol, even if obviously fake.
16:43	chairman_meow	I haven't invested much. it's a small amount. I'm looking for more returns on bitcoin price swings
16:43	chairman_meow	so... I guess I don't really need access to this channel
16:43	bounce	;;rate naphex 1 btcxchange.ro, grilled with cheese
16:43	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user naphex has been recorded.
16:43	mircea_popescu	well if you got something materially relevant you can always get someone to up you, so, no need to panic
16:46	mircea_popescu	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/sec-obtaining-emails-without-warrant-or-not
16:46	fluffypony	;;rate Naphex 1 if btcxchange.ro steals your money this guy will personally sort you out
16:46	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded.
16:46	mircea_popescu	herp.
16:46	Naphex	hehe thanks for the rate ^^
16:47	mircea_popescu	!up LorenzoMoney
16:47	assbot	Voicing LorenzoMoney for 30 minutes.
16:51	BingoBoingo	Ah, this Baron thing is hard. Especially when it comes to considering what may be worthy of accepting someone as a Ridder or Jonhkeer
16:52	chairman_meow	hmmm I'm looking at the logs
16:52	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: vaxberry pie << pick up fpga dev board on ebay.
16:52	chairman_meow	I can't seems to find out why the rules changed
16:52	chairman_meow	*seem
16:52	fluffypony	chairman_meow: mutual consent
16:52	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo indeed. it should be.
16:52	fluffypony	groupthink
16:52	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: maximally evil closed build chain, but you can actually specify a circuit, e.g. pdp-11.
16:52	mircea_popescu	scientologee!
16:53	fluffypony	flying spaghetti monsterism
16:53	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: example, http://www.heeltoe.com/download/pdp11/README.html
16:53	mircea_popescu	yeah we kinda need a mascot or something don't we.
16:53	mircea_popescu	the holy sharpie in the worldy pooper ?
16:54	fluffypony	Buttcoins Inc?
16:54	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well I was more imagining what it would take for a Rasberry Pi to truly be a TI-89 surrogate than imagining a project for myself in the near future.
16:55	mircea_popescu	maybe a giant soldering iron.
16:55	asciilifeform	rectothermcoin.
16:55	BingoBoingo	Where is nubbins` to do this art
16:55	mircea_popescu	http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/n/antex-st4-stand_1.png
16:55	mircea_popescu	god i love that shape
16:56	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i've one quite like this, here.
16:56	mircea_popescu	do you compulsively play with the support ?
16:56	asciilifeform	how'd you guess.
16:56	mircea_popescu	because it's quite clearly what it's for.
16:56	asciilifeform	lol
16:56	mircea_popescu	geek titties.
16:56	asciilifeform	sproing, sprooing.
16:57	mircea_popescu	rectothermicon
16:57	mircea_popescu	like the necronomicon, only better.
16:58	mircea_popescu	so a bunch of romanians found an ancient article in which i sliced a rabbit and are having aneurisms all over my comment section. kinda funnay to watch.
16:58	Apocalyptic	heh
16:58	asciilifeform	wait people don't eat those in ro?
16:59	jborkl	my WOT nick is jborkl_ and the nick I use is jborkl - you have to change to jborkl_ with gribble auth with assbot then /nick jborkl
16:59	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sure.
16:59	asciilifeform	over here, they can only be had in korean markets, because americans are weirdos
16:59	jborkl	that is why his did not work
16:59	mircea_popescu	there's a thin sliver of romanians who wannabe us hipster liberals.
16:59	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Probably an East Coast thing. No serious problem finding them here.
16:59	mircea_popescu	it's like... twice over the pretense
17:00	asciilifeform	i've often wondered if the local busybodies would go apeshit if one were to set up a snare.
17:00	paulo_	I can confirm jborkl. using an IRC nick different from WOT nick confuses assbot
17:00	asciilifeform	(rabbit is a common garden pest here)
17:01	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform only one way to find out.
17:01	Anduck	!up chairman_meow
17:01	assbot	Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
17:01	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I dunno about in your location, but here a license is nominally required. Much as for fishing.
17:01	Anduck	:)
17:01	jborkl	ok I did my good deed for the year - time to relax
17:01	mircea_popescu	the difference of course being i can slaughter one and post it on my blog, daring the "pet police" to do anything,
17:01	asciilifeform	my new pad, as of next month, has a yard. so i shall find out.
17:01	mircea_popescu	whereas you'd prolly end up in a holding cell
17:02	BingoBoingo	http://www.alpharubicon.com/kids/urbanrabbitsdc.htm
17:02	BingoBoingo	Maybe not?
17:02	asciilifeform	i know a fellow, not far from where i live, with a secret chicken coup
17:02	asciilifeform	*coop
17:02	mircea_popescu	what's this, leningrad ?
17:03	asciilifeform	gringograd
17:03	mircea_popescu	in 1987 teh police had bucharest surrounded, checking all inbound car traffic to make sure nobody's sneaking any potatoes into town.
17:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0009617 = 7.0204 BTC [-] {2}
17:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
17:04	thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe
17:04	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096183 / 0.00097025 (241260 shares, 232.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096403 / 0.00100381 (3106224 shares, 2,994.50 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093026 / 0.00101 (22725656 shares, 21,140.85 BTC)
17:04	Apocalyptic	mircea, why would they do that ?
17:04	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: grew the delicious beast yourself, or caught in the wild?
17:05	mircea_popescu	i just bought it
17:05	asciilifeform	neato
17:05	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic because insane, on the first level.
17:05	mircea_popescu	some sort of "combatting black market" or w/e.
17:05	mircea_popescu	http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/mission-yuppie-eradication-project.jpg
17:05	mircea_popescu	dude... and this is STILL not enough reason to just send the national guard and beat anyone not rich into a pulp ?
17:05	mircea_popescu	da fuck already.
17:06	asciilifeform	satan preserve us. the 'google bus' folks again?!
17:06	mircea_popescu	aye.
17:06	mircea_popescu	you;'ll have to excuse me, i'm indulging a bottle of cognac and my inclination to be wtf'd.
17:07	mircea_popescu	to quote the world's foremost "yuppie scum", one vincent vega :
17:07	mircea_popescu	Lance: Still got your Malibu?
17:07	mircea_popescu	Vincent: Aw, man. You know what some fucker did the other day?
17:07	mircea_popescu	Lance: What?
17:07	mircea_popescu	Vincent: Fucking keyed it.
17:07	mircea_popescu	Lance: Oh, man, that's fucked up.
17:07	mircea_popescu	Vincent: Tell me about it. I had it in storage for three years, it was out for five days and some dickless piece of shit fucked with it.
17:07	mircea_popescu	Lance: They should be fucking killed. No trial, no jury, straight to execution.
17:07	mircea_popescu	Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it.
17:07	mircea_popescu	Lance: What a fucker!
17:08	mircea_popescu	Vincent: What's more chickenshit than fucking with a man's automobile? I mean, don't fuck with another man's vehicle.
17:08	mircea_popescu	Lance: You don't do it.
17:08	mircea_popescu	Vincent: It's just against the rules.
17:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2}
17:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0319983 = 0.192 BTC [+] {3}
17:11	Naphex	its true :)
17:13	asciilifeform	if the 'they're bidding up all housing' thing were true, the masters would have problems hiring servants. are they?
17:13	asciilifeform	or do the servants simply take six buses to the manor and back?
17:14	mircea_popescu	nobody has any trouble hiring anyone.
17:14	mircea_popescu	if they can agree on salary control measures, clearly they're overstaffed.
17:14	mircea_popescu	they pretend like they're not, for public consumption, and to get more clueless kids on the one track path that then leads them to become prostitu uh i mean entrpereneurs
17:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00096045 = 9.4124 BTC [-] {4}
17:15	mircea_popescu	but what is and what's said to be are wildly distinct matters in byzantium
17:17	bounce	don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was.
17:17	asciilifeform	paging herr naggum!
17:17	asciilifeform	'labor unions arose when people had gotten a taste of a different lifestyle and were willing to pay a lot more for their basic livelihood and had gotten into a fix they couldn't get out of -- because they had accepted the unacceptable to begin with. accepting something you have to form a labor union to fight after the fact only tells me that people were acting against their own best (or even good) int
17:17	asciilifeform	erests for a long time. I don't see any rational, coherent explanation for this sort of behavior in humans, but it's all over the place.'
17:17	asciilifeform	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144868668727852@naggum.no.html
17:18	Apocalyptic	<bounce> don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was. // it was indeed right under the roof, in France at least
17:19	mircea_popescu	bounce in a civilise country, yes.
17:19	bounce	hot in summer, cold in winter. freezing hell when the wind's just wrong. such fun.
17:19	mircea_popescu	in the united states of africa, apparently they've not figured this out.
17:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7030 @ 0.00096376 = 6.7752 BTC [+]
17:20	asciilifeform	in usa, they broke the mechanism that separates the usefully servile class from 'lumpens.' sort of like growing edible mushrooms in a bathroom infested by mold, because, hey, you can.
17:20	asciilifeform	and so, the 'masters' demand radical geographic separation.
17:20	mircea_popescu	http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=23892
17:21	mircea_popescu	meanwhile in some other equally arid land
17:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pretty much, yes.
17:24	asciilifeform	incidentally, this is why 'they import fresh mexicans,' etc.
17:24	nubbins`	BingoBoingo: nubbins` is balls-deep in printing, that's where ;(
17:24	mircea_popescu	"The original bullhocky story about the cattle endangering desert tortoises fell apart when the truth was discovered that only recently the BLM had gerrymandered the boundaries of endangered habitat and created a mitigation area needed to replace habitat where Harry Reid’s son and a Chinese energy company planned to build a 5 billion dollar solar energy project."
17:24	mircea_popescu	ahem.
17:24	asciilifeform	the 2nd generation lumpenizes, and can't be used.
17:24	asciilifeform	this is more or less an open secret here.
17:24	mircea_popescu	harry reid, the guy who delivered congress to obama, right ?
17:24	mircea_popescu	5bn seems kinda skimpy.
17:24	mircea_popescu	i;d have asked for more.
17:25	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 5 == initial quote. traditionally, gov. payola contracts have overrun, renewal, etc. provisions. add a zero.
17:25	mircea_popescu	more like it.
17:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00015875 = 0.635 BTC [-] {6}
17:34	Naphex	gn all o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se33Fv_sEEA
17:34	Naphex	!down
17:34	assbot	Need a nickname, Naphex.
17:36	nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg6235784#msg6235784
17:36	nubbins`	lel
17:36	nubbins`	DrGreg-PR
17:41	asciilifeform	http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/15/682084.html
17:41	asciilifeform	translation: cia director j. brenna is in kiev. supervising search for... 20 'lost' blackwater men.
17:41	asciilifeform	*brennan
17:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00096954 = 10.7134 BTC [+] {2}
17:48	mircea_popescu	lol
17:48	mircea_popescu	why is he not @lubyanka then
17:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 245 @ 0.50190775 = 122.9674 BTC [-] {12}
17:56	asciilifeform	mega-lol:
17:56	asciilifeform	http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=122052
17:57	asciilifeform	should have dropped 'paintballs' or the like.
17:58	mircea_popescu	"This provocative and unprofessional Russian action"
17:59	mircea_popescu	lmao this "unprofessional" business has pretty much replaced "asshole" in us office drones parlance hasn't it
17:59	benkay	what's the military context that makes that kind of behavior assholery?
17:59	benkay	context/peer behavior expectations
17:59	benkay	assuming peers etc
17:59	mircea_popescu	“The Donald Cook is more than capable of defending itself against two Su-24s,” the colonel said.
17:59	mircea_popescu	i wonder.
18:00	mircea_popescu	i doubt there exists a us ship that actually can defend itself against modernised su's, but hey.
18:00	mircea_popescu	what do i know.
18:01	benkay	or the impending chinese drone swarms
18:01	ThickAsThieves	http://www.bitundo.com/
18:02	pankkake	nice, I would have liked that a year ago (though I eventually recovered my coins)
18:03	ThickAsThieves	this schedule web design is horrible
18:03	ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoin2014.com/
18:03	ThickAsThieves	pastels
18:03	ThickAsThieves	and annoying View More buttons
18:03	mircea_popescu	Arleigh Burke-class. that's a... radar ship. derp.
18:04	TestingUnoDosTre	Can someone explain this to me. Purchase of 382 Btc at 505, followed by 20 btc at 500. Was the first purchase a market buy?
18:04	ThickAsThieves	Peter Vehehe is now on the speaker list for the event!
18:05	mircea_popescu	so basically... this is a pool to doublespend.
18:05	mircea_popescu	who made it, gmaxwell ?
18:05	ThickAsThieves	dunno who made it
18:06	ThickAsThieves	its got mentions on yc
18:06	ThickAsThieves	fwiw...
18:06	mircea_popescu	looky, gavin still lead bla bla. not so hip on keeping updated huh.
18:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1220 @ 0.00096816 = 1.1812 BTC [-]
18:06	ThickAsThieves	http://www.coinlab.com/
18:07	ThickAsThieves	nice website
18:07	BingoBoingo	Oh, Meni Rosenfeld is a speaker and/or panelist
18:08	ThickAsThieves	Canadia Senate Hearing on Cryptocurrency https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5iAj7-W_lk
18:08	mircea_popescu	lol ok ok.
18:08	ThickAsThieves	400 friggin euros for this conference
18:08	ThickAsThieves	fukn scammors
18:09	mircea_popescu	<samantix> hi i was directed to you regarding a ban on bitcoin-pricetalk
18:09	mircea_popescu	which one of you's been tormenting random noobs ?
18:09	ThickAsThieves	lol
18:09	Apocalyptic	haha
18:09	mircea_popescu	chairman_meow tsk.
18:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49676939 BTC [-]
18:10	mircea_popescu	guy's very polite and everything. i had no idea that chan even exists
18:10	mircea_popescu	!up samantix
18:10	assbot	Voicing samantix for 30 minutes.
18:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49833587 = 1.495 BTC [+] {3}
18:11	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, it's the cesspool of irc
18:11	mircea_popescu	lol 600 pplz, and goin' strong. mkay.
18:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-]
18:12	samantix	thanks mircea_popescu
18:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-]
18:13	Apocalyptic	mircea, or reddit in another terms
18:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000002 BTC [-]
18:14	mircea_popescu	well cool.
18:20	mike_c	i think this bet was resolved incorrectly. http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/
18:20	mike_c	because clearly the price *shouldn't* have dropped below 400.
18:21	mike_c	scam site is scam.
18:22	TestingUnoDosTre	Lol
18:22	TestingUnoDosTre	I bet on yes for one that touched exactly 400.00
18:23	TestingUnoDosTre	Made me rethink my whole theory on psychological barriers
18:23	mike_c	bah. next you'll rethink your theory on technical analysis because head & shoulders.
18:25	TestingUnoDosTre	I'm most definitely not a TA junkie
18:25	TestingUnoDosTre	Or "Chartist" as my brother call them
18:34	artifexd	It would be nice to be able to retroactively !b a part of the log. The conversation with Naphex about 5 hours ago was pretty interesting.
18:35	benkay	artifexd: bash.bitcoin-assets.com
18:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00078899 = 0.1578 BTC [+]
18:35	pankkake	you can http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?add
18:35	benkay	;;ticker
18:35	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.95, Best ask: 508.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 509.0, 24 hour volume: 29789.86967812, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
18:35	artifexd	Most sweet
18:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00080077 = 0.2514 BTC [+]
18:37	mike_c	is there a time decay on bash points?
18:37	benkay	http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#tgSzm1g10zm2g25zvzl
18:39	mike_c	i miss vexual :) http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=30
18:41	asciilifeform	;;seen vexual
18:41	gribble	vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
18:42	benkay	mike_c: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=81
18:42	mike_c	yeah, just read that one too. another classic.
18:42	benkay	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=94 << danielpbarron you too buddy
18:43	benkay	mike_c: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=30
18:43	benkay	now i miss vexual too
18:44	TestingUnoDosTre	We just did #30....
18:44	benkay	but not as much as i miss tiberius and minersdidit
18:44	TestingUnoDosTre	Minersdidit. Oh my gosh
18:44	benkay	NO WE DIDN'T GOSH
18:44	mike_c	minersdidit could never fill 100 lines by himself with no encouragement like vex could when sloshed.
18:45	benkay	that's not why minersdidit was fantastic
18:45	benkay	people round here don't appreciate quality trolling
18:45	TestingUnoDosTre	Was he trolling though? Still not sure
18:46	Apocalyptic	that's the thing about great trolls
18:46	Apocalyptic	you are never sure
18:46	benkay	unless you've met 'em before.
18:46	artifexd	;;gettrust assbot Vexual
18:46	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
18:47	TestingUnoDosTre	So was vexual a troll or just funny?
18:48	pankkake	;;rate Vexual 1
18:48	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
18:48	pankkake	:(
18:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.0009663 = 1.8563 BTC [-] {2}
18:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1379 @ 0.00097038 = 1.3382 BTC [+]
18:52	BingoBoingo	!up samantix
18:52	assbot	Voicing samantix for 30 minutes.
18:52	artifexd	Vexual, get in the wot already
18:53	BingoBoingo	;ticker
18:53	BingoBoingo	;;ticker
18:53	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.03, Best ask: 514.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 514.82, 24 hour volume: 30096.02063816, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
18:54	benkay	samantix: what's happening?
18:54	BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/truecrypt-audit-finds-no-evidence-of-backdoors-or-malicious-code/
18:55	dexX7	is the blockchain.info guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception -> https://blockchain.info/de/block-index/383285/00000000000000004014a2cb13c0760539b9a353c8f4934b878446fbd8ee4932
18:55	mircea_popescu	mike_c wait wut
18:55	mike_c	hm?
18:56	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot vexual
18:56	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=vexual | Rated since: never
18:56	TestingUnoDosTre	Huh?
18:56	mircea_popescu	mike_c the 400 bet. at first i thought you hjad a legit complaint
18:56	mircea_popescu	but no! SCAM COMPLAINT
18:57	joecool	;;gettrust mircea_popescu
18:57	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user joecool to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
18:57	mike_c	of course the owners of the site would say that.
18:57	pankkake	BitBet: The Customer is Always Wrong
18:57	BingoBoingo	Well as Bitcoin continues to detach from fiat, bets pegged to fiat exchanges get moar dangerous
18:58	mike_c	i've probably lost 12,482 bets in my life, but for some reason that one stung. i was so sure!
18:58	mircea_popescu	;;later tell keonne <dexX7> is the blockchain.info guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception -> https://blockchain.info/de/block-index/383285/00000000000000004014a2cb13c0760539b9a353c8f4934b878446fbd8ee4932
18:58	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:58	mircea_popescu	mike_c im not sure i made 1k bets
18:58	mike_c	you mean this month?
18:58	mircea_popescu	in my lyf!
18:59	mike_c	this from the guy who floated a bajillion btc options over the last two years :)
19:00	mircea_popescu	joecool you trust all the oldschool doods. madscientist ?!
19:00	TestingUnoDosTre	What does float a btc mean
19:00	mircea_popescu	mike_c options ain't bets :D
19:00	Apocalyptic	they are only if you don't hedge them
19:00	mircea_popescu	haven't seen cory in like 4ever eithert
19:00	mircea_popescu	;;seen cory
19:00	gribble	cory was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Cory> \o
19:01	joecool	mircea_popescu: believe it or not i've been in wot for a long time
19:02	mircea_popescu	i believe it hehe
19:02	joecool	;;gpg info joecool
19:02	gribble	User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Tue Apr 15 16:36:53 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool .
19:03	mircea_popescu	o you were here befoe coinpal closed huh
19:03	pankkake	http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x89F5D5027E9FE55B35696F683FC4656BE45D6C89 oh, it's THAT guy
19:03	joecool	yeah i think that was my first wot rating
19:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9401 @ 0.00097038 = 9.1225 BTC [+] {2}
19:04	TestingUnoDosTre	Hahaha are you fcking serious
19:05	mircea_popescu	lmao
19:07	mircea_popescu	!up frank1e
19:07	assbot	Voicing frank1e for 30 minutes.
19:08	mircea_popescu	!up BigBitz
19:08	assbot	Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes.
19:08	BigBitz	thanks mircea_popescu :)
19:08	asciilifeform	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu
19:08	mircea_popescu	yw
19:08	joecool	;;rated BigBitz
19:08	gribble	You rated user BigBitz on Mon Dec 2 11:10:58 2013, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: gives me the worst rates ever ಠ_ಠ and makes me hate myself, owes me beer, but he can be trusted to send a couple g's USD.
19:08	asciilifeform	anyone else get something bizarre?
19:08	BigBitz	joecool <3
19:08	mircea_popescu	did i get defaced ?
19:09	asciilifeform	ssl weirdness
19:09	asciilifeform	load specifically 'https'
19:09	mircea_popescu	ya ?
19:09	asciilifeform	i'm getting a cert signed by 'wikipedia'
19:09	Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, huh
19:09	mircea_popescu	ahahaha what
19:09	joecool	mircea_popescu: looks like you got bald
19:09	Apocalyptic	i just loaded https
19:09	Apocalyptic	no certificate
19:09	joecool	not defaced
19:10	TestingUnoDosTre	It loaded fine for me
19:10	BigBitz	You're getting a Wikipedia Cert. Nice.
19:10	Apocalyptic	*no wikipedia certificate
19:10	BigBitz	I get the Twitter cert.
19:10	mircea_popescu	twitter.com, Twitter, Inc. VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL CA, VeriSign, Inc. 05/10/2016 12:59:00 AM GMT TLS v1.2 128 bit ARC4 (2048 bit RSA/SHA)
19:10	pankkake	I get a cert change, but still twatter http://i.imgur.com/2pK8Pmb.png
19:10	TestingUnoDosTre	Anyone hear any Omar about alleged fighter plane attack?
19:10	*	asciilifeform to snoop on my fiber: stay classy
19:10	Apocalyptic	83 FE F4 D8 26 55 EC 82 A9 E1 D7 A9 76 70 0B 43
19:10	Apocalyptic	3E 9B 38 6D FA 71 8F 20 2A 5B 6C BF 91 ED 9F 92
19:10	Apocalyptic	issued by Verisign class 3
19:10	BingoBoingo	OMG WIKIPEDIA NSA haxors targeting asciilifeform
19:11	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo wikipedia certs are a good avenue of attack because most neckbeards have it whitelisted
19:11	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Indeed.
19:11	BigBitz	neckbeards ftw.
19:11	asciilifeform	these folks could just drive fifteen minutes with a wagen and a 'troika', half hour for tribunal and bullet. but no, they gotta fuck with people instead.
19:12	mircea_popescu	i think you have no representation of costs.
19:12	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: You forget that for some 1984 is a manual
19:12	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pix ?
19:13	mircea_popescu	also, is it twitter generally ? does it do the same off a phone ?
19:13	mircea_popescu	other q's.
19:13	asciilifeform	lol - it's gone away.
19:13	asciilifeform	perhaps browser bug
19:14	mircea_popescu	yeah, right. this happens.
19:14	mircea_popescu	next time screenshot
19:14	thestringpuller	$depth mpoe
19:14	asciilifeform	promise.
19:14	mpexbot	thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['2899 @ 0.00097198', '5021 @ 0.00096', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '5850 @ 0.0009594', '2900 @ 0.00095924']
19:14	mpexbot	thestringpuller: Asks: ['5150 @ 0.00097202', '9450 @ 0.00097276', '1900 @ 0.00097318', '8950 @ 0.00097382', '12566 @ 0.00097408']
19:15	thestringpuller	that's a nice bot, did smickles make that? or what's the story behind it...
19:15	mircea_popescu	yep he did.
19:15	mircea_popescu	sadly he's on maternity leave.
19:16	pankkake	I was going to link https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/https-everywhere-decentralized-ssl-observatory which gave me a SSL Error, funnily enough (if you have it, disable OSCP whatever)
19:17	TestingUnoDosTre	Someone give me a quick lesson in stats
19:18	TestingUnoDosTre	If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1?
19:18	thestringpuller	he's on maternity leave << hoorah for children. they grow up so fast...
19:20	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
19:20	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 517.0, Best ask: 519.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.95000, Last trade: 517.0, 24 hour volume: 31653.39816891, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 520.05, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
19:21	ThickAsThieves	was like 340 2 days ago?
19:21	ThickAsThieves	i <3 btc
19:21	joecool	sale's over
19:23	ThickAsThieves	i'm uncertain about that
19:23	BingoBoingo	http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/us-airways-tweets-out-photo-of-model-airplane-in-womans-1563098531/1563579181/+Tom_Ley
19:23	ThickAsThieves	not sure if there's enough new money coming in yet to float the price
19:23	ThickAsThieves	traders keep scalping each other over and over, lowering the ceiling
19:24	thestringpuller	http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ <- i wonder if these bets create a feed back loop the more money that goes in
19:24	thestringpuller	i want to see a kansas city style upset
19:24	ThickAsThieves	seems making bitbets is the best way to get the price to go where you want!
19:25	thestringpuller	or to detect your price
19:25	kakobrekla	TestingUnoDosTre no its random.
19:25	BingoBoingo	Inb4 BTC $25 by July
19:25	thestringpuller	good way to base insurance prices
19:25	ThickAsThieves	$25, no way
19:25	ThickAsThieves	small chance we could test $300 tho
19:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225 @ 0.00097202 = 0.2187 BTC [+]
19:26	thestringpuller	wow. phenomenal...
19:28	benkay	bitbet ate the options market.
19:30	thestringpuller	^^^
19:30	ThickAsThieves	there it is!
19:30	TestingUnoDosTre	Bitbet is the options market now
19:31	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
19:31	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.35, Best ask: 525.79, Bid-ask spread: 3.44000, Last trade: 526.9, 24 hour volume: 32271.21581885, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 527.27, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
19:31	TestingUnoDosTre	Uruguay baby
19:31	TestingUnoDosTre	Yyyyyah
19:31	thestringpuller	i wonder how many late leeches got jacked
19:31	TestingUnoDosTre	I didn't this time: )
19:32	TestingUnoDosTre	Got in last block luckily. That's why I was asking about hashing
19:32	thestringpuller	why not buy the underlying asset and zoidberg?
19:34	TestingUnoDosTre	And zoidberg?
19:36	TestingUnoDosTre	They better close the bet fast and reap some profit for the month
19:37	nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg
19:37	nubbins`	i fucking love my job
19:37	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Does that mean mascot soon?
19:38	nubbins`	i didn't quite get the gist of the mascot
19:38	nubbins`	somebody with a soldering iron up their ass?
19:38	thestringpuller	is that screen printed?
19:38	nubbins`	yep
19:39	nubbins`	3-color print on red kraft paper
19:39	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: I think people were leaning towards this http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/n/antex-st4-stand_1.png
19:40	nubbins`	that's the -assets mascot? :/
19:40	nubbins`	i mean, nice stand, but...
19:40	BingoBoingo	Just don't turn it into something like all Chicago cubs like this http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oNlxSX0P--/19cgaod16qt14jpg.jpg
19:41	mike_c	i can't unsee that.
19:42	nubbins`	:(
19:45	mircea_popescu	<TestingUnoDosTre> If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1? << no.
19:46	thestringpuller	speaking of
19:46	thestringpuller	;;tslb
19:46	gribble	Time since last block: 5 minutes and 38 seconds
19:46	thestringpuller	not_bad.jpg
19:47	mike_c	ok, two people said no.. there is a small better chance they find it in the next minute after failing for 36 minutes. the search space has been reduced.
19:48	mircea_popescu	you just add nonce anyway
19:48	mike_c	right, but instead of having a 1 in 1eBigNumber chance, they have a 1 in (1eBigNumber - attempts) chance
19:48	thestringpuller	mike_c: more tx's may come into the node which changes the hash...
19:48	pankkake	is it actually worth it to record what was tested? wouldn't pools share it if it was?
19:49	mike_c	thestringpuller: that is a good point.
19:49	ThickAsThieves	of course it's more likely
19:50	mike_c	unless what thestringpuller said.
19:50	ThickAsThieves	it's more likely than if they weren't hashing at all, right?
19:50	ThickAsThieves	so there.
19:50	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves notrly lol
19:52	mircea_popescu	http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303887804579504023630058640-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNTExNDUyWj
19:53	mircea_popescu	we were just talkin'...
19:54	ThickAsThieves	china be manipulatin!
19:54	ThickAsThieves	maniputin
19:54	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSLoPdCQAAKJLA.jpg
19:55	ThickAsThieves	manililliputian
19:56	pankkake	pos?
19:56	mircea_popescu	http://bgr.com/2014/04/15/galaxy-s5s-fingerprint-scanner-hacked/ << bounce fluffypony asciilifeform and whoever else was diss-cussin' bio.
19:57	Apocalyptic	pankkake, proof of stake I assume
19:57	pankkake	then I don't really get it
19:57	mircea_popescu	proof of stake
19:57	pankkake	I guess you get worthess stuff generated by your worthless stuff
19:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00097223 = 7.0001 BTC [+] {3}
19:58	TestingUnoDosTre	wan't that already posted?
19:58	mircea_popescu	shit it was
19:58	mircea_popescu	my bad
19:59	mircea_popescu	http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/15/university-calls-white-campus-population-failure-a/
19:59	Apocalyptic	"Complaints from the U.S. are going to increasingly fall on deaf ears"
19:59	thestringpuller	i love see mircea_popescu use negro speak
19:59	thestringpuller	seeing*
19:59	mircea_popescu	“In the decades ahead, should we be as white as we are today, we will be relentlessly driven toward mediocrity; or, become a sad shadow of our current self,” Mr. Shepard said in a recent blog post
19:59	Apocalyptic	is this any news ?
19:59	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic allegedly ? :D
20:01	mircea_popescu	"Their mascot is the Viking."
20:01	TestingUnoDosTre	Skol white people!
20:13	mircea_popescu	http://imgur.com/0WMxIoU << me playing with hipsters.
20:13	TestingUnoDosTre	where do you find these people?
20:14	mircea_popescu	irk?
20:15	BingoBoingo	Classic
20:15	mircea_popescu	da fuck is with all the prissy wallflowers claiming "passion"
20:16	mircea_popescu	what fucking passion. moar like "too mental for herpes"
20:16	pankkake	it's annoyingly boring
20:17	Apocalyptic	"Inventor/Entrepreneur/Author 120 patents, 400+ products. Clever & Unique"
20:17	BingoBoingo	I dunno. I'd say mircea_popescu is passionate about ownership.
20:17	Apocalyptic	just wow
20:17	Apocalyptic	reminds me of the 12,000+ domain names guy
20:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05299998 = 1.59 BTC [+] {7}
20:18	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic chick's worth some money, has this sort-of workout videos empire
20:19	BingoBoingo	It's amazing how many times the simple elastic band and the step stool can be patented
20:19	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
20:20	mircea_popescu	yeah, basically, she's the bubbliest 44yo on some us based shopping channel
20:20	mircea_popescu	billy mays with tits and botulin
20:20	mike_c	she's a regular on shark tank
20:20	mircea_popescu	"Her first patent was a plastic jewelry organizer for earrings which generated $500 million in sales."
20:21	pankkake	4real?
20:21	mircea_popescu	yep
20:21	pankkake	I wasn't expecting much when I saw patents, but…
20:21	pankkake	this is why I don't take anyone seriously when they say that word
20:21	mircea_popescu	anyway, twitter is the best trolling venue imaginable. there's droves of hipsters, aging attention whores, all taking it supar seriously
20:22	mod6	haha, true
20:22	mircea_popescu	you can ruin someone's whole week in 140 characters.
20:22	mod6	+ 1 picture
20:22	mircea_popescu	just ask them why they look so fat unexpectedly.
20:22	TestingUnoDosTre	ooooh I would pay so much to see MP on shark tank
20:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00498752 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {6}
20:23	mod6	twitter had a melt down yesterday because some girl had a toy plane in her snatch
20:23	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre is this the #bitcoin-assets based reality tv show ?
20:23	Apocalyptic	mod6, really ?
20:23	TestingUnoDosTre	I would like to purchase a 3d printing maching, but I want YOU to buy it!
20:23	mircea_popescu	mod6 because nobody could have imagined that the terrorists would use a plane as a dildo.
20:23	mod6	lol
20:24	mod6	someone said "new meaning to red-eye flight"
20:24	mircea_popescu	right in the pink eye!
20:24	mod6	:D
20:24	*	mod6 laughs
20:28	mod6	holy hashrate
20:28	mod6	;;stats
20:28	gribble	I have 24 registered users with 31 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
20:28	mod6	;;bc,stats
20:28	gribble	Current Blocks: 296068 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 283 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6965027262.78 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.81273
20:29	TestingUnoDosTre	gribble quit lowballin the hashrate your whore
20:29	mircea_popescu	lol
20:29	mircea_popescu	is oz dead ?
20:30	dub	the wizard?
20:31	benkay	passion?
20:31	benkay	only passion is passion for cashin'
20:31	BingoBoingo	The Wizard of .bait
20:33	mircea_popescu	i liked it for .d
20:34	mike_c	kakobrekla is probably bored and could implement those features in assbot. i liked <title> searches.
20:34	mircea_popescu	benkay she claims bs on tv, buncha overweight wwu students believe her start flailing arms and making wild claims.
20:34	mircea_popescu	mike_c i liked title too.
20:35	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
20:35	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954
20:36	TestingUnoDosTre	.d
20:37	mircea_popescu	so this is fucking weird. gribble says 24 hour high 528
20:37	mircea_popescu	meanwhile bitcoincharts disagrees : <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954
20:37	mircea_popescu	http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
20:37	mircea_popescu	not even close to 520.
20:37	mircea_popescu	wtf is going on here ;/
20:38	mike_c	remember that thing about how you closed options because no one could be relied on for good data?
20:38	mircea_popescu	i do.
20:39	mike_c	hm, but if i am reading it right they are 8 hours old on their data?
20:39	Apocalyptic	well bitcoincharts is wrong
20:39	mike_c	http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg2ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
20:39	Apocalyptic	isn't it run by thermos or something anyway ?
20:39	mike_c	seems like data stopped some hours ago
20:39	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic afaik gribble takes its numbers from it
20:40	benkay	off to an 'internet of things' aka networked and api-ified sensor get together. perhaps i'll find some new clients there tonight...
20:40	Apocalyptic	<mike_c> seems like data stopped some hours ago << good catch
20:41	benkay	the barons of course not needing any derpy web or mobile apps.
20:41	mircea_popescu	benkay we can't afford smartphones
20:44	TestingUnoDosTre	yah it peaked at 515 like 16 hours ago
20:45	TestingUnoDosTre	for bitcoincharts, thats 6 hours prior, in displayed data
20:45	BingoBoingo	Politics is weird: http://www.bnd.com/2014/04/15/3162876/carl-officer-forms-superpac-to.html
20:45	mircea_popescu	"Please log in to access this feature."
20:46	mircea_popescu	perhaps i'll pass.
20:46	BingoBoingo	Eh or dun use javascript
20:46	BingoBoingo	No need to tor
20:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06637855 = 1.4603 BTC [+] {5}
20:47	BingoBoingo	Basically longtime former democratic East StL mayor is now supporting the Repube candidate for governor.
20:48	mircea_popescu	lol
20:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0669899 = 0.201 BTC [+]
20:48	TestingUnoDosTre	quite hilarious
20:48	mircea_popescu	"Well the answer is the IRS is extremely strict about property taxes and nobody in the United States is going to want to use Bitcoin after a 20% tax on it. That combined with Bitcoin rumors about China banning it means we won't see $525." << anon expert, april 15th around noon.
20:48	mircea_popescu	bitcoin goes blazing past 525, about twelve hours later.
20:49	mircea_popescu	after wallowing in the 400s for weeks.
20:49	mircea_popescu	the anon experts are a very valuable signal, turns out.
20:49	TestingUnoDosTre	and he had to make a SuperPac that was called Dems and Independents for Rauner, because he figured that those groups wouldnt want to contribute to a fund called "citizens for Rauner"
20:49	TestingUnoDosTre	pretty sure half the people who post on there are just trying to get bets to the other side
20:49	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre "citizens" is kinda republican codeword neh ?
20:50	TestingUnoDosTre	soon it will be comrade
20:50	BingoBoingo	http://www.eslarp.uiuc.edu/ibex/archive/yelvington/interviews/mayor_carl_officer.htm
20:51	BingoBoingo	Carl Officer has a rich history of creating the lulz
20:51	BingoBoingo	http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2005-03-23/news/the-resurrection-of-carl-officer/
20:52	TestingUnoDosTre	did you just google "carl officer nazi" or something?
20:52	TestingUnoDosTre	how do you find this shit
20:53	mircea_popescu	apparently everyone is better at finding shit people than you.
20:53	BingoBoingo	TestingUnoDosTre: I'm from the general region, just a more rural part
20:54	mircea_popescu	soo, google ad on bitstamp query :
20:55	mircea_popescu	Bitstamp - Cumpără Bitcoin CFD - demo gratis - Plus500.ro‎ Ad www.plus500.ro/Bitstamp‎ Vă riscaţi propriul capital. Plus500 has 1,340 followers on Google+
20:55	mircea_popescu	shitty scam paying like 5 bux a click
20:55	TestingUnoDosTre	i got a 404
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21:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00097332 = 26.3283 BTC [+] {3}
21:28	TestingUnoDosTre	best youtube comment I've read in while "If this was reddit, it would be r/gore"
21:30	TestingUnoDosTre	and then there's this http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27031180
21:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05309998 = 0.1062 BTC [+]
21:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
21:37	BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/top-marine-says-pay-cuts-will-improve-discipline-neck-1561628479
21:38	ThickAsThieves	hey isnt that the shark tank lady youre fukn with mp?
21:38	ThickAsThieves	you own her?
21:38	ThickAsThieves	her three words basically read: I'm horny.
21:39	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2014/04/racy-homoerotic-postage-stamps-set-for-release-in-finland.html
21:39	nubbins`	actually fucking awesome
21:40	ThickAsThieves	first bj on a stamp is two men
21:40	ThickAsThieves	funny stuff
21:40	ThickAsThieves	i linked yesterday with the caption: blowstamps
21:41	nubbins`	heh
21:41	Apocalyptic	apparently 22% of NY is on foodstamps
21:41	nubbins`	state or city
21:41	Apocalyptic	city
21:41	nubbins`	not bad
21:43	ThickAsThieves	that seems hard to believe
21:44	asciilifeform	'His Marines could care less, he said, because they just "want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next."'
21:44	nubbins`	someone in payroll, no doubt
21:45	asciilifeform	there's a magic number, somewhere down there, where soldiers start selling ammo, other materiel, whole vehicles - to the enemy
21:45	BingoBoingo	Followed shortly by http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/portals/61/Docs/SMMC_letter_to_Marines1.pdf
21:45	asciilifeform	russia found what the number was (~6 mo. delay of pay, approx.)
21:45	asciilifeform	let's see what the american number is.
21:46	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: To be fair this wasn't a Flag officer, but Flag enlisted
21:46	asciilifeform	in other lulz,
21:46	asciilifeform	http://www.examiner.com/article/martial-law-obama-confiscates-national-guard-helicopters-from-all-50-states
21:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03050271 = 0.2135 BTC [-] {3}
21:47	dub	grab the turkey cletus we headin for the shelter
21:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348998 = 0.214 BTC [+] {3}
21:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03 = 0.6 BTC [-]
21:48	asciilifeform	soviet ministry of internal affairs had tanks, choppers.
21:49	asciilifeform	didn't make a lick of difference.
21:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.05372635 = 0.591 BTC [+] {5}
21:49	dub	how many times has the national guard deployed a gunship in the history of gunships
21:50	dub	my guess: 0 times
21:50	asciilifeform	point, if i understood, was to keep it 0.
21:50	BingoBoingo	dub: Well they probably didn't have to deploy "their" gunships, just their pilots
21:54	dub	#bitcoin-teaparty
21:57	BingoBoingo	Eh, if bad collapse happens the teaparty factions are just as likely to be oppresive and appropriate your crops as the gobmint factions
21:58	asciilifeform	where does 'good collapse' live?
21:58	asciilifeform	did i miss something?
21:59	BingoBoingo	Well, USSR vs. Somalia
22:01	BingoBoingo	This goes to the Orlov, the USSR was set up be not collapse as painfully as the thing could have otherwise.
22:02	asciilifeform	plenty of ways to lose a head in 'good' collapse.
22:04	BingoBoingo	Sure, just less than in bad collapse
22:08	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well i was supposed to describe ME not her.
22:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0049404 = 0.163 BTC [-]
22:10	nubbins`	so i went out to have a drink earlier, stumbled across a poster we printed last november, still stuck to a pole
22:10	nubbins`	paper is bleached almost white, inks are immaculate
22:10	mike_c	you should use better paper
22:10	nubbins`	no i shouldn't
22:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}
22:10	asciilifeform	worse ink?
22:10	nubbins`	heh!
22:10	nubbins`	better locations, obv
22:11	TestingUnoDosTre	what did the poster read
22:11	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/3EMyqp9
22:11	asciilifeform	for a 'deserving' client, perhaps print with ink which fades out to reveal 'secret' message.
22:12	nubbins`	oo, fun. red ink on red paper
22:12	mircea_popescu	nubbins` i had a self-adhesive print last ~2 years on a facade.
22:12	nubbins`	for reference, that paper was this color when it went up: http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg
22:12	mircea_popescu	i'd guess easily 1mn pairs of eyeballs. total cost ? like $5
22:12	nubbins`	not bad
22:12	nubbins`	guerrilla advertising is best advertising
22:12	TestingUnoDosTre	Is pink eye a bar or something?
22:13	TestingUnoDosTre	nvm - I see ship pub
22:13	nubbins`	it's my printing company
22:13	TestingUnoDosTre	ooo
22:13	TestingUnoDosTre	what do you print them with?
22:13	nubbins`	silkscreen on kraft paper
22:15	nubbins`	we use cotton rag paper for good posters. these are cheapies for taping to poles.
22:15	TestingUnoDosTre	science be damned, that's an interesting process
22:16	nubbins`	very old
22:17	nubbins`	chinese were doing it 1000 years ago
22:18	TestingUnoDosTre	Oh it appears so. My friend's sister has an old school platten printing machine that looks like it's from the 19th century
22:18	TestingUnoDosTre	don't know if that's what the actual name for the process is
22:20	asciilifeform	when the famous Kamkin bookstore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Kamkin_Bookstore) imploded, they sold things by the pound, and opened up all of the 'backstage' rooms to customers. in one, i found... a '40s vintage printing press.
22:20	asciilifeform	(for catalogues? propaganda? who knew.)
22:21	nubbins`	lovely!
22:22	nubbins`	if you'll excuse me, my wife needs to be bothered
22:25	mircea_popescu	samizdat fo sho
22:25	mircea_popescu	!up Lee-
22:25	assbot	Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes.
22:25	mircea_popescu	!up frz78
22:25	assbot	Voicing frz78 for 30 minutes.
22:26	asciilifeform	kamkin was known as a place where intelligence goons from both sides shopped.
22:26	asciilifeform	as well as maths, physics people.
22:26	asciilifeform	(plenty of 'mir publishing co.' maths in english, too)
22:26	Lee-	nifty
22:28	TestingUnoDosTre	asciilifeform - there was a book burning or what the hell happened?
22:28	asciilifeform	TestingUnoDosTre: in the end, the creditors confiscated the shelves, and there were gigantic mountains of book
22:28	asciilifeform	that one could climb and dig (literally) down in
22:28	asciilifeform	most of the good stuff was picked off
22:29	TestingUnoDosTre	ahhh
22:29	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
22:29	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.0, Best ask: 517.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 517.26, 24 hour volume: 33656.62801655, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 492.41993782
22:29	asciilifeform	i found my first book on 'forth' there
22:29	TestingUnoDosTre	forth?
22:29	asciilifeform	forth.
22:29	asciilifeform	;;google forth
22:29	gribble	Forth (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_(programming_language)>; Forth - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forth>; Forth Interest Group Home Page: <http://www.forth.org/>
22:29	asciilifeform	!up TomServo
22:29	assbot	Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes.
22:29	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a fitting punishment for they who refused to acknowledge doom.
22:29	TomServo	Hello all!
22:29	mircea_popescu	hello TomServo
22:30	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: kamkin lived by the 'sovietologists' of washington, and - died by them.
22:30	TomServo	I'm sure it's been done to death, but could someone point me to instructions on getting into assbots wot?
22:30	mircea_popescu	more's the point... to this day there are people running around claiming they're... "journalists"
22:31	mircea_popescu	yet the newspaper died, as did the book.
22:31	mircea_popescu	TomServo actually it's not done at all.
22:31	mircea_popescu	i suppose each of the 29 will publish their own personal criteria, if/when they get around to it
22:31	mircea_popescu	maybe we'll hold a yearly vote at the conference to add more to the l1 list
22:32	asciilifeform	complicated, to say 'book is dead.' books of horoscopes and dream divinations still printed by the zillion, 'soviet encyclopaedia of physics' - not.
22:32	TomServo	Ah, so even being in wot I still need to ask for voice?
22:32	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes, well, if it were unequivocally clear, like, mastodon is dead, it would be easy
22:32	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot TomServo
22:32	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask TomServo!sewandsew@light1.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TomServo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TomServo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TomServo | Rated since: never
22:33	mircea_popescu	once the Level 2: reads > 0 you can pm assbot !up and it'll voice you
22:35	asciilifeform	is there a vast legion of spammers, crying to get on the list?
22:35	BingoBoingo	TomServo: I'm a forgetful person, what sort of stuff do you do?
22:35	TestingUnoDosTre	if you sex slave yourself for bitcoin
22:35	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform prolly not yet.
22:35	asciilifeform	other than mr. whizz
22:35	TestingUnoDosTre	just make sure it's from a person on the Wot, then they'll give you a rate
22:36	TomServo	BingoBoingo: I'm a lowly network engineer, looking for my niche.
22:37	BingoBoingo	Ah
22:37	asciilifeform	TomServo: what made you take an interest in this channel ?
22:37	BingoBoingo	!up TomServo
22:37	assbot	Voice for TomServo extended to 30 minutes.
22:37	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSYRqoCYAA9PpG.jpg
22:39	TomServo	asciilifeform: I've actually been here quite a while (2+ years I'd guess). Hard for me find conversation as stimulating as what happens here.
22:39	mircea_popescu	(yes, that'd donald rumsfeld)
22:39	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lol!
22:39	asciilifeform	next news: 'rumsfeld fined, estate auctioned, for inaccurate tax filings'
22:39	mircea_popescu	tis true, he's been here forever. aite.
22:39	mircea_popescu	;;rate TomServo 1 New blood.
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22:39	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded.
22:40	mike_c	amen donald.
22:42	TestingUnoDosTre	I hope they simplifiy the tax code and fuck mr rumsfeld
22:43	TestingUnoDosTre	just single him out in a nation of hundreds of millions
22:43	TomServo	mircea_popescu: cheers
22:44	joecool	not sure how that works if the tax accounting firm fucks it up badly, does fed go after them or the individual?
22:45	TestingUnoDosTre	that's a really good question
22:45	asciilifeform	individual. but some accountants provide a kind of 'insurance'
22:45	mike_c	the individual is responsible.
22:46	joecool	mike_c: for the amounts paid, but can't be held negligent if accountant fucks up
22:46	mircea_popescu	joecool pretty much, yes.
22:46	joecool	i'm assuming tax accountants carry insurance for this sort of thing
22:46	mircea_popescu	basically, as a us citizen you're better off if your accountant runs off with your money than if your accountant misfiles your taxes.
22:46	mircea_popescu	for the same sum
22:48	mike_c	what does 'held negligent' mean? you have to pay the penalties..
22:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
22:49	joecool	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/10/steve-harvey-20-million-tax-lien-ruined-marriage_n_4572436.html < had to look it up, someone mentioned this to me in passing a month or two ago
22:49	joecool	accountant pocketed his tax payments, didn't file for 7 years, then kicked the bucket, no idea about the truth of it all
22:51	TestingUnoDosTre	Huff post is like shit smeared all over the computer screen
22:51	joecool	sry couldn't find another source
22:51	mircea_popescu	actually a VERY similar thing happened here last year. i arrive at my accountant's office, usually a quiet place with maybe 1-2 other people present, cause the gal is nuts abour scheduling, to find it in complete turmoil, bunches of evidently panicked people.
22:52	mircea_popescu	turns out, an accountant handling the accounts of ~200 small businesses had been found by the tax authority to not have filed anything for months
22:52	mircea_popescu	so they re-allocated all teh customers to the shortlist of competent accountants all around town
22:52	mircea_popescu	10 here, 15 there, etc.
22:53	joecool	well i mean if you actually look at the returns, the accountant is signing off to say they believe the return to be true to the best of their knowledge under penalty of perjury
22:53	mircea_popescu	sure
22:54	joecool	the individual signs off to say they are reporting their income and such to the best of their knowledge
22:54	mircea_popescu	the owner is still responsible tho.
22:55	mircea_popescu	davout didn't wanna let me sell x.eur short, i could have been rich.
22:55	mircea_popescu	-er/
22:55	joecool	for the tax liability yes, fines (not interest) though i believe would get waived
22:55	mircea_popescu	joecool depends really.
22:56	joecool	i'm in this situation from the last company i started, initial accountant gave us horrible advice for 2012 since we formed the LLC in november and turned *very* small revenue, said it would be under limit to file
22:56	mircea_popescu	kinda stupid, why not use the year to create a tax liability
22:56	joecool	hired a better firm this year, they went over it and warned us we had to file, paid the filing fees from last year, and warned us to expect a letter from the IRS asking for damages
22:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52394834 BTC [+]
22:58	joecool	there's a process to go through to appeal a fine in this sort of situation
22:58	joecool	current accountants will handle it
23:10	mircea_popescu	!up bloctoc
23:10	assbot	Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.
23:11	bloctoc	I don't know what that means
23:12	BingoBoingo	;;gettrust assbot bloctoc
23:12	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bloctoc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013
23:12	BingoBoingo	bloctoc: Auth with gribble and pm assbot !up
23:13	bloctoc	do I get a prize or something?
23:13	mircea_popescu	well you can speak if you do
23:13	BingoBoingo	bloctoc: You get voice?
23:24	BingoBoingo	!up the20year1
23:24	assbot	Voicing the20year1 for 30 minutes.
23:25	the20year1	yay
23:25	the20year1	spent like 30m today trying to figure out how to authenticate via gpg and couldn't do it
23:25	BingoBoingo	It indeed takes time the first time
23:25	the20year1	gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing
23:26	BingoBoingo	I always just eauth and do the decrypt thing
23:26	mircea_popescu	^
23:26	the20year1	does that work for original registration?
23:26	the20year1	That's what i did, and it seemed like I still needed to register
23:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.08299776 = 1.577 BTC [-]
23:35	Apocalyptic	the20year1, have you submitted the keys to GPG servers ?
23:35	Apocalyptic	yes you have to auth the first time
23:35	Apocalyptic	*reg
23:36	the20year1	yeah , i did
23:37	Apocalyptic	<the20year1> gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing // what's the error then ?
23:37	bloctoc	seems like the price of bitcoin went up quite a bit with this new voice policy
23:37	BingoBoingo	bloctoc: Well, it is more drama
23:38	BingoBoingo	Drama !up Bitcoin !up
23:38	Apocalyptic	I haven't said this, but I think the new policy is a good idea, ty mircea
23:38	mike_c	(and kakobrekla)
23:38	Apocalyptic	indeed, he did the hard work
23:40	the20year1	on home laptop, not office pc
23:40	bloctoc	whoever set it up thanks. Have my prize.
23:41	Apocalyptic	woot, dat NMC price
23:41	Apocalyptic	haven't seen the last pump
23:42	bloctoc	does that mean it's a secular thing? I've seen some NMC services.
23:42	bloctoc	for the record I don't know what secular means in this context.
23:45	mircea_popescu	bloctoc bashed :D
23:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00097271 = 10.6512 BTC [-]
23:45	mircea_popescu	kako did the hard work which is why i should be getting all the praise
23:46	Apocalyptic	that's how it works in business
23:46	mircea_popescu	indeed
23:46	Apocalyptic	managers get the credit
23:46	mike_c	plus hard work is its own reward
23:47	mircea_popescu	indeed.
23:51	mircea_popescu	nighty all.
23:55	Apocalyptic	btw pankkake, are you reading l'odieux connard ?

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