00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, laters! |
00:01 |
BingoBoingo |
I wonder if that bitcoin buttplug is coming in multiple sizes |
00:01 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
and textures! |
00:01 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
They said there was a way to tell if it was unique |
00:04 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc ( 0.00096237 - 0.00095711 ) / 0.00096237 |
00:04 |
gribble |
0.00546567328574 |
00:07 |
thestringpuller |
!ticker m s.mpoe |
00:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00095966 / 0.00096593 (509702 shares, 489.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096846 / 0.00101 (3334383 shares, 3,229.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092699 / 0.00101 (23205346 shares, 21,511.35 BTC) |
00:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522 = 0.1044 BTC [-] |
00:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+] |
00:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00096166 = 10.4821 BTC [-] |
00:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+] |
00:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0522999 = 0.2615 BTC [+] |
00:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0522999 = 0.8368 BTC [+] |
00:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Seekurity http://thecodelesscode.com/case/87 |
00:19 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
what the in the hayl |
00:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Jurov posted a link to this thing earlier and nao I'm reading it all |
00:20 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
I liked how it was written, just very strange |
00:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00095512 = 14.4223 BTC [-] {2} |
00:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah |
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~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~ |
01:25 |
fluffypony |
BingoBoingo: I've been addicted to it too |
01:26 |
fluffypony |
BingoBoingo: 45 minutes of reading them last night |
01:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+] |
01:27 |
BingoBoingo |
I've just about given them the once over. I'll probably re-read them again over a few days. |
01:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+] |
01:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC |
01:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC |
01:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669997 = 0.134 BTC [-] |
01:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.00988186 = 0.2174 BTC [-] {6} |
01:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+] |
01:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.00953844 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2} |
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~ 45 minutes ~ |
02:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00095358 = 9.2974 BTC [-] {4} |
02:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52985758 BTC [-] |
02:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.052 = 0.624 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
03:17 |
fluffypony |
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libssl/src/ssl/ |
03:18 |
fluffypony |
OpenBSD have started a strip-down and cleanup of openSSL |
03:18 |
artifexd |
That will be a herculean effort. |
03:30 |
pankkake |
nice. I was looking for openssl alternatives, and while there are some (with nicer APIs and lighter codebases), the licenses won't satisfy everyone |
03:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7546 @ 0.00096408 = 7.2749 BTC [+] {2} |
03:32 |
fluffypony |
artifexd: agreed, but considering the amount of effort they put into their modified Apache 1.3 (till they switched to nginx last month) makes me think they can accomplish it |
03:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06615 = 0.1323 BTC [-] {2} |
03:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06590001 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {2} |
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~ 26 minutes ~ |
04:09 |
fluffypony |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/13/gnome_foundation_runs_out_of_cash/ |
04:09 |
fluffypony |
"Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal" |
04:09 |
fluffypony |
cheeky |
04:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1661 @ 0.00096459 = 1.6022 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
04:37 |
pankkake |
except everyone hates what gnome does |
04:39 |
bounce |
at least gnome /was/ more or less confined to its own thing and its invariably byzantinely dependent apps. enter the freedesktop.org bunch, and poettering+gang. |
04:40 |
pankkake |
I don't have issues with those things, they are overall improvements |
04:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0665 = 0.1995 BTC [+] |
04:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0665 = 0.133 BTC [+] |
04:45 |
bounce |
(deliberate) incompatability by stuffing functionality with strong preference-flavour added where there previously was room for alternative approaches in places that don't need the added complexity and opacity, with added fall-out to well outside the "linux" world and insisting breaking others' software are improvements now? explain that one, please. |
04:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-] |
04:48 |
fluffypony |
I agree that gnome is shit |
04:48 |
fluffypony |
LXDE is great |
04:49 |
fluffypony |
and LXDE-Qt if you desperately need Qt everywhere |
04:50 |
pankkake |
they're switching to Qt? |
04:51 |
fluffypony |
no |
04:51 |
fluffypony |
LXDE-Qt is a separate project |
04:51 |
fluffypony |
kinda separate |
04:51 |
pankkake |
weird |
04:51 |
fluffypony |
Razor-Qt merged with it last year |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
05:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.522 = 4.698 BTC [-] |
05:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009252 = 0.185 BTC [+] {8} |
05:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065626 = 0.3281 BTC [-] {3} |
05:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06475721 = 0.4533 BTC [-] {4} |
05:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10533 @ 0.00096398 = 10.1536 BTC [-] |
05:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00095403 = 7.3937 BTC [-] {2} |
05:36 |
pankkake |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/ |
| |
↖ |
05:38 |
fluffypony |
*clicks* |
05:41 |
fluffypony |
I agree with this commenter: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/cgsvpkn |
05:42 |
fluffypony |
"The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief." |
05:43 |
pankkake |
most comments are actually good |
05:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009294 = 0.1859 BTC [+] {8} |
05:51 |
punkman |
sounds like Danny's dream of having a Bentley is gonna be over soon |
05:51 |
fluffypony |
heh |
05:51 |
punkman |
so much derp |
05:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0655 = 0.3275 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
06:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1200 @ 0.00013788 = 0.1655 BTC [+] {3} |
06:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 767 @ 0.00014148 = 0.1085 BTC [+] {3} |
06:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1500 @ 0.00014606 = 0.2191 BTC [+] {7} |
06:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5607 @ 0.00015531 = 0.8708 BTC [+] {13} |
06:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3127 @ 0.00017518 = 0.5478 BTC [+] {8} |
06:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1231 @ 0.00019369 = 0.2384 BTC [+] {6} |
06:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2090 @ 0.00025902 = 0.5414 BTC [+] {8} |
06:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 900 @ 0.00027005 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2} |
06:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1750 @ 0.0002701 = 0.4727 BTC [+] {3} |
06:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00028629 = 0.2863 BTC [+] {4} |
06:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2200 @ 0.00030121 = 0.6627 BTC [+] {8} |
06:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 793 @ 0.00031 = 0.2458 BTC [+] |
06:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 753 @ 0.00036261 = 0.273 BTC [+] {6} |
06:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00037004 = 0.37 BTC [+] {3} |
06:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00037012 = 0.1851 BTC [+] {4} |
06:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06674097 = 6.6741 BTC [+] {8} |
06:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 276 @ 0.00037 = 0.1021 BTC [-] |
06:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3716 @ 0.00011678 = 0.434 BTC [+] {5} |
06:55 |
pankkake |
http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses |
06:55 |
pankkake |
unless some large farm explodes |
| |
~ 30 minutes ~ |
07:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
blowstamps! http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/15/5616160/finland-celebrates-homoerotic-art-with-mustachioed-stamps |
07:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
Bitstamp is lying, saying my deposit had 3 confs, but blockchain says 6 |
07:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
they only require 3, yet some how, no coins |
07:32 |
Apocalyptic |
ThickAsThieves, selling already ? |
07:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
doing some trading |
07:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm still long, but keep getting sucked back into the game |
07:37 |
kakobrekla |
cans and strings never lie |
07:43 |
Apocalyptic |
.d |
07:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00096147 = 1.9229 BTC [+] |
07:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
Estimated Next Difficulty:7,195,696,460 (+17.58%) |
07:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
like 15PH added in 2 weeks |
07:50 |
mircea_popescu |
breathtaking, innit. |
07:50 |
pankkake |
so many asic manufacturers too |
07:51 |
pankkake |
some of them even deliver! |
07:51 |
mircea_popescu |
lol who delivered this year ? |
07:51 |
kakobrekla |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=571456.0 |
07:51 |
pankkake |
I don't follow this a lot but there are some chinese who sell in stock stuff |
07:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> lol who delivered this year ? // shit, it really is no one |
07:52 |
pankkake |
otherwise cointerra is the closest to delivering I guess |
07:53 |
pankkake |
still, there's a number of options. better than one single GPU manufacturer! |
07:53 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves dun dun dun |
07:53 |
mircea_popescu |
"Warrior Forum joins the Freelancer.com Family" dude this couldn't have been more appropriate. |
07:54 |
mircea_popescu |
freelancer is like a black hole of internet idiocy. |
07:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
07:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
i bet odesk runs most of the action on those sites anyway |
07:54 |
fluffypony |
lol |
07:54 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake a number of options as to where to throw your btc down a well and hope while waiting aren;'t options in the sense we need. |
07:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves there's this getafreelancer.com site, too, and some other shit. |
07:55 |
fluffypony |
guru.com as well |
07:56 |
pankkake |
by the way, GPU preorders were a thing, too. I preordered one like 15 years ago, it took months before I could have it |
07:56 |
kakobrekla |
dotcoin does it again. |
07:56 |
pankkake |
http://blog.coinbase.com/post/82766793207/coinbase-has-a-new-office too many macs. DO NOT TRUST |
07:57 |
dignork |
re: miners, have you seen spondoolies-tech? My friend works there, and apparently they shipped by plan. |
07:57 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: that post is terrible |
07:57 |
mircea_popescu |
ummm... their office is a room and a hallway in uhhh |
07:57 |
mircea_popescu |
shit i remember who owns that and was giving it away rent free to noobs, who the fuck was it |
07:58 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork details, details. |
07:58 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu, there is a long thread on talk: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-spondoolies-tech-launches-a-new-line-of-asic-miners-shipping-in-7-days.284243/ |
07:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
omg all those people working on macbooks, wtf |
07:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
i guess their real office is starbucks |
07:59 |
dignork |
I know one of the devs there |
07:59 |
mircea_popescu |
they kinda look like they're showing teh women girlpronz |
07:59 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Tykling |
07:59 |
assbot |
Voicing Tykling for 30 minutes. |
07:59 |
mircea_popescu |
o teh jewz. |
07:59 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork so tell one of teh techs to reg here, got a shot at way more biz than the ofrum can ever provide. |
07:59 |
pankkake |
macbooks are what you use in client meetings, but not what you use to actually work |
08:00 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu, will do :) |
08:00 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit where is that |
08:00 |
mircea_popescu |
now it's going to bug me perpetually. |
08:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ahaha "make a transaction and get $5" dude they're really pushing huh. |
08:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232xry/cointerra_loses_faith_in_their_products/ |
08:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
30-day warranty |
08:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
ouch |
08:04 |
pankkake |
do they sell to EU? that would be probably illegal |
08:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
theyre probly like "Well, we're premining with these things for 60 days, so we should probly change that warranty!" |
08:04 |
mircea_popescu |
"We're about 25 KM from Gaza strip, not in any disputed territory." |
08:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4617 @ 0.00096147 = 4.4391 BTC [+] |
08:05 |
mircea_popescu |
so cute, the jews. "o, we're 25km from ww2, it's safe here" |
08:05 |
mircea_popescu |
they actually think this way. |
08:06 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: holders list pl0x |
08:06 |
mircea_popescu |
o.o |
08:06 |
mircea_popescu |
dude it's been six minutes ? what do yo uthink i run here, a team of naked ninjas ? |
08:07 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: that's what you keep advertising :D |
08:07 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
08:07 |
punkman |
you don't have a naked ninja team? |
08:07 |
mircea_popescu |
i do but i don't uyse them to do THIS stuff |
08:07 |
mircea_popescu |
anything davout gets comes from old smelly women |
08:08 |
davout |
the way i make my living is not for you to judge |
08:08 |
davout |
pecunia non olet |
08:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
this plane toy up the poon is hilarious |
08:09 |
davout |
"Hi, I'm from al qaeda and i'm going to do something big on june first" |
08:09 |
davout |
june first : "first fully decentralized bitcoin exchange released by al qaeda girl" |
08:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
nice knowing you davout |
08:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
have fun in guant |
08:10 |
Apocalyptic |
he's gonna seek refuge in Timisoara soon |
08:10 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: i'm a jew, anything all-inclusive will do |
08:10 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: merci! |
08:11 |
mircea_popescu |
he's being extradited |
08:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i think i may have all the papers ready to go within the week |
08:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
extratradition |
08:11 |
mircea_popescu |
AND SO ARE SOME OTHERS OF YOU BIGMOUTHS |
08:12 |
mircea_popescu |
when i was a kid the measure of your popularity was that all the kids on the block gathered under your windows screaming "Mr X, may X come out to plaaa-aaa-aaayyyyy ???" |
08:12 |
mircea_popescu |
so i'd go this shrug like "what can i do mom ? teh boyfatherland needs me" |
08:23 |
mircea_popescu |
awww. |
08:24 |
pankkake |
;;later tell benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/14_no-more-statute-of-limitations-for-the-irs.html congratulations, you're worse than France! |
08:24 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah isn't that something. |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves btw, did asicminer deliver the gen3 or still working on it ? |
08:25 |
pankkake |
I think my last issue with the fisc will finally get prescribed. yay |
08:25 |
pankkake |
there are sample chips in the wild |
08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
who got any ? |
08:26 |
pankkake |
rockxie and canaryinthemine (approximate spelling) |
08:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
i havent been following, i think the whole Rockminer deal is too fishy to take any of them seriously anymore |
08:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
my guess would be that AM feels theyve given enough to shareholders and will now focus on ways to reroute profit |
08:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
like Rockminer |
08:28 |
mircea_popescu |
such bs. |
08:28 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like a mediocre marriage, nobody says what they mean and nobody does what they say. |
08:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
when gen2 vanished without much noise, and nothing happened for like 8mos, well... |
08:30 |
davout |
for those who have some X.EUR the positions rollover is done |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
basically tardstalk has managed to get itself out of the way of bitcoin conversation, tards foundation idem... |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
let this be a lesson about what "poorly managed" means. you start with a dominant, unassailable position, two years later it's not even clear who you are and what you do anymore. |
08:31 |
davout |
sounds like a good time to buy some btw :-) |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
what cuz it's gonna drop moar ?! |
08:32 |
davout |
BTC is up 15~20% since this morning |
08:32 |
fluffypony |
yeah |
08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i'll short sell you some, how about that ? |
08:32 |
fluffypony |
just below $500, davout |
08:33 |
davout |
trades around 360 EUR on BC, was 300 yest, looks like it's going to drop at least a bit |
08:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
possibly one more burst tho |
08:33 |
fluffypony |
I'm so bad at price speculation I gave up ages ago |
08:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
to 531ish |
08:33 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: if you have some EUR collateral i can push you some ;-) |
08:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
$ |
08:33 |
fluffypony |
EU $ |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
meh. push me some anyway and i'll cover you in btc |
08:33 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
08:34 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: also i can go short directly on BC |
08:34 |
fluffypony |
1 BTC = 1 BTC? |
08:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
08:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
1=1 |
08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony well what the fuck am i going to end up owing him, btc goes to 5 eur ? |
08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i'll just sell a ninja. |
08:34 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: trade up man, 1 = 2 |
08:35 |
fluffypony |
(by some definition of 2) |
08:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
what do you think will spark the next true bull phase? |
08:35 |
mircea_popescu |
Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash Power consumption:6.375W per chip |
08:35 |
mircea_popescu |
wasn't the fucking spec supposed to be 4gh/w ? |
08:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves this chan going +m. |
08:36 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: China Unbans Bitcoin! |
08:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
:/ |
08:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
but i dont have enough cash to buy this thing back to 1000! |
08:36 |
fluffypony |
didn't someone mention ransomware the other day, and how that may have contributed to the last run as people who would otherwise have been disinclined to purchase went and purchase? |
08:37 |
fluffypony |
so the solution could be to write some new ransomware? |
08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony it was a stupid idea tho. you realise this yes ? |
08:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;market buy 24000 |
08:37 |
gribble |
Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16452.849 bitcoins, for a total of 14624837.6264 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0850 seconds |
08:37 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: yes I know, I'm just teasing |
08:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
16000 coins?! |
08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves you mighht have not noticed this, but bitstamp volume dried up to nothing. |
08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
and so did most of the other exchanges. |
08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
their price signal is worth about as much as reddit opinion |
08:38 |
pankkake |
http://chralash.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/ive-got-a-psychological-disorder-its-called-hoarding-bitcoins-and-its-making-you-rich/ |
08:39 |
mircea_popescu |
echolalia eh ? |
08:40 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: mebbe some sort of EUR implosion/QE or whatever |
08:42 |
mircea_popescu |
!up roamfree |
08:42 |
assbot |
Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes. |
08:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5299999 BTC [+] |
08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal" << cheeky indeed. |
08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses << well when it was made it didn't look as clear as it does now. and if it had another month to go, it wouldn't look clear now, either. |
08:47 |
pankkake |
no new mining power added for 2 weeks? |
08:49 |
mircea_popescu |
chips have a lifetime. if that's not too long and later chips are worse quality eventually the diff will start dropping. |
08:49 |
pankkake |
right, perhaps in a few years then |
08:50 |
thestringpuller |
have we discussed the latter from scammy danny yet? |
08:50 |
pankkake |
not much |
08:50 |
thestringpuller |
i havent checked the logs just woke up and saw it on reddit... |
08:50 |
mircea_popescu |
we don't really read reddit, but go right ahead |
08:50 |
pankkake |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#625009 |
08:52 |
thestringpuller |
ah |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
"The fraud charges are of my greatest concern right now, they are baffling to me" |
08:52 |
thestringpuller |
i am pretty sure reddit drops your iq at this point |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey. i suppose it keeps in character. first business was baffling to the kid, now legal matters take a turn... |
08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose his feeling for ghiorghios, the unshaved truck driver will be baffling for him next. |
08:53 |
thestringpuller |
but reddit has much needed lulz to fuel our hunger |
08:53 |
thestringpuller |
is he in wot? |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
Here is a message to the Criminal Investigation Department of the Cypriot Police: |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ANSWER YOUR PHONE or CHECK YOUR EMAILS!!!! |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
kik |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller who ? reddit ? |
08:54 |
thestringpuller |
danny scamster |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, he knew better. |
08:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.05240938 = 0.9434 BTC [+] {9} |
08:56 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ |
08:56 |
pankkake |
his statements are very confusing, but that has been going on for a while |
08:56 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, 8:1 ? |
08:56 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
08:56 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.0, Best ask: 493.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 493.0, 24 hour volume: 30647.12500074, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.428840083 |
08:56 |
thestringpuller |
oh wow |
08:56 |
mircea_popescu |
sweet, wonder if it tops at 500 or not. |
08:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} |
08:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00096296 = 2.7444 BTC [+] |
08:57 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
You mean 515 |
08:58 |
mircea_popescu |
lol yeah |
08:58 |
mircea_popescu |
https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455914648710443009 << from the lulz dept, me discussing matters with a bunch of middleaged women |
08:59 |
pankkake |
running isn't even healthy! |
09:00 |
thestringpuller |
why is it skngle middle aged women are far less annoying than 20's women...like they are still teens or something |
09:01 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller the former you don't want to fuck. less frustration for you. |
09:01 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake it's healthier than pancakes... |
09:01 |
pankkake |
I don't even like pancakes |
09:01 |
pankkake |
and yes, pancakes are poison |
09:02 |
mircea_popescu |
well arguably bukkake is healthier than running |
09:02 |
nubbins` |
arguably |
09:02 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Can't believe people think smoking adds to healthcare costs. The people die earlier and faster |
09:02 |
nubbins` |
easier on your knees, certainly |
09:02 |
nubbins` |
TestingUnoDosTre: here in canada, we keep smokers alive as long as possible. tis a burden |
09:02 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` notrly, you gotta be kneelin' |
09:02 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu flat on the back, natch |
09:03 |
nubbins` |
TestingUnoDosTre: although to be fair, tobacco taxes more than cover it |
09:03 |
nubbins` |
20 smokes is over $10 here |
09:03 |
mircea_popescu |
TestingUnoDosTre you don't understand the environment. buncha clueless broads sitting around encouraging each other. sorta like what we do here, except without the smarts. |
09:03 |
nubbins` |
wait, i encourage people? ;( |
09:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i assumed you must. weren't you a liberal ? |
09:03 |
nubbins` |
sure, but a bitter one |
09:04 |
pankkake |
TestingUnoDosTre: it might (cancer is expensive), but it reduces retirement costs |
09:04 |
nubbins` |
just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D |
09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
if smoking gives you cancer it just shows you had a shitty constitution, |
09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
so you SHOULD die in the first place. |
09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
smoking is pretty much the only selective behaviour left. |
09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
that and driving. |
09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
smoking definitely cheaper. |
09:04 |
nubbins` |
smoking: the sieve of modern man |
09:05 |
nubbins` |
eating too |
09:05 |
mircea_popescu |
<nubbins`> just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D << wait wait. what sort of scamliberal are you ?! THAT IS THE DEFINITION! |
09:05 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
If you consider coat avoidance, I'm quite sure it would cost more to keep a,non smoker living in their latter years |
09:05 |
nubbins` |
we live in a word not of black and white but of shades of grey ;D |
09:06 |
nubbins` |
bbl eggs! |
09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://24.media.tumblr.com/a3aedb2f647e9395c5fc9a66e6d6d621/tumblr_mkfz4rxTzm1re7tkoo1_1280.jpg |
09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
quoted for the black shoies, white socks. |
09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the world we live in. |
09:06 |
mircea_popescu |
!up steven-__ |
09:06 |
assbot |
Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes. |
09:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53199995 = 1.064 BTC [+] {2} |
09:08 |
pankkake |
anyway, I'm usually going out to not smoke |
09:08 |
pankkake |
who cares what is written |
09:09 |
mircea_popescu |
these women. |
09:09 |
mircea_popescu |
it's all they have left : what's written |
09:09 |
pankkake |
because they want to be offended at something |
09:09 |
pankkake |
being offended is a full time job |
09:09 |
nubbins` |
^ |
09:09 |
mircea_popescu |
gives them something to write on twitter about, gives them something to talk to me about... what's their alternative ? |
09:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's also the easiest job |
09:10 |
mircea_popescu |
sit in the home and stare at the wall ? |
09:10 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves exactly. easiest full time job their is. which is why and how women that age end up with it, in all times and all places. |
09:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
old hags on nonprofit boards |
09:10 |
mircea_popescu |
lol you've really been touched haven't you |
09:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
treating me like a walmart cashier |
09:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
ive fired more old women clients than clients have ever fired me |
09:11 |
mircea_popescu |
no cuntry for old broads. |
09:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
btw i loved your definition of fine |
09:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's quite quotable |
09:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
deserves a bash |
09:12 |
mircea_popescu |
bash away |
09:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
how do i bash the past? |
09:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
bash 9000 |
09:13 |
nubbins` |
look to the topic for clues |
09:13 |
mircea_popescu |
there's an add topic feature |
09:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah |
09:13 |
mircea_popescu |
hey kakobrekla : your !b add-on was so successful, people don't even know how to bash as a result. |
09:14 |
nubbins` |
needs params |
09:14 |
mircea_popescu |
does nawt |
09:14 |
nubbins` |
!b [2:5,7:14] |
09:14 |
nubbins` |
imagine |
09:14 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking geeks omfg. !b for insta and go paste in the site otherwise |
09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
never heard of bash til the !b arrived |
09:15 |
nubbins` |
:0 |
09:15 |
nubbins` |
wat |
09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm not quite as nerdy as it seems |
09:15 |
mircea_popescu |
a! but have you ever heard of bishibosh ? |
09:15 |
nubbins` |
i've got quotes on bash.org from when i was like 15 ;( |
09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` yeah well you're special` |
09:16 |
nubbins` |
heh |
09:16 |
nubbins` |
well, maybe 17 |
09:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
after looking up bishibosh, surely ive had exposure |
09:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
nubbins thats cuz you been complaining since the womb |
09:16 |
nubbins` |
funny, there was a scammer trying to impersonate me in -otc the other day |
09:16 |
nubbins` |
nickname: nubbins`` |
09:16 |
nubbins` |
y'know, the sort of nick that a non-scammer would have |
09:16 |
steven-__ |
really like this new model you have imposed mircea_popescu having to be voiced to talk. it makes me think back to when oink died and two sites popped up to trade music waffles and what it was much harder to get into what having to pass a test about encoding quality lossly vs lossless http://www.whatinterviewprep.com/ but over the years you can really see the |
09:16 |
steven-__ |
advantages to limiting who can be involved to people who care enough to learn the basics |
09:17 |
mircea_popescu |
in my defense, i merely suggested it. |
09:18 |
nubbins` |
now, i gotta print posters |
09:18 |
nubbins` |
i ended up removing the Hobo typeface from that one i shared ;( |
09:18 |
mircea_popescu |
but think of the environment nubbins` ! wouldn't you rather sit here and chat with us ? |
09:18 |
mircea_popescu |
instead of causing cancer and so forth ? |
09:18 |
nubbins` |
water-based inks bruh |
09:18 |
nubbins` |
you can pour 'em straight into the ocean with impunity |
09:19 |
mircea_popescu |
you make a pretty shitty middleaged woman. |
09:19 |
pankkake |
steven-__: eheh exactly :) |
09:19 |
nubbins` |
phew! |
09:19 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta eat moar soy sauce |
09:19 |
steven-__ |
yea pankkake your blog post was what got me thinking about it |
09:19 |
kakobrekla |
steven-__ i did about 0.5k or so interviews for what btw. |
09:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.sparkyscreenprints.com/water-based-myth/ |
09:20 |
pankkake |
I blog posted about it? or comment maybe |
09:20 |
steven-__ |
https://what.cd/user.php?id=315790 is me |
09:22 |
kakobrekla |
3 and a half years behind me :p |
09:22 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla you did 500 interviews for what ? |
09:22 |
pankkake |
what's your username kakobrekla? (I'm simply pankkake as I am everywhere) |
09:22 |
kakobrekla |
yes mp. |
09:22 |
steven-__ |
yea i had an account around the time oink ended but ended up using waffles and tt |
09:22 |
steven-__ |
so when i came back to what i was blown away at how much better it was |
09:23 |
nubbins` |
http://www.matsui-color.com/water_based.php |
09:23 |
nubbins` |
;p |
09:23 |
pankkake |
yeah, oink being closed ended up… a good thing. more competition, new software |
09:24 |
nubbins` |
indeed, not all water-based inks are created equal, which is why we use the good ones ;D |
09:24 |
kakobrekla |
This tree has 955 entries, 254 branches, and a depth of 6. It has 670 Users (70%), 214 Members (22%), 57 Power Users (6%), 13 Elites (1%) and 1 Torrent Master (0%). 536 users are disabled (56%), and 96 users have donated (10%). |
09:24 |
pankkake |
:o |
09:24 |
pankkake |
lol 56% of fail |
09:25 |
kakobrekla |
yes , well , people. |
09:25 |
pankkake |
i guess it's easy to cheat on the interview |
09:25 |
nubbins` |
TBF we only use WB for paper, and plastisol for shirts. but once you cure plastisol, you can do w/e you want with it |
09:25 |
kakobrekla |
mostly its people who do not understand how hard it is to seed here |
09:25 |
kakobrekla |
i mean, you can not describe it. |
09:26 |
kakobrekla |
tbh i have been helping by not seeding for last 2 years or so |
09:26 |
pankkake |
I upload new stuff and seed forever, never had to worry about anything |
09:27 |
kakobrekla |
i got to be tm for a short bit, but then lost the will and got degraded to elite :| |
09:27 |
pankkake |
I have been stuck in elite for years, yet I'm close |
09:28 |
pankkake |
unless there is a secret porn subforum, not interested |
09:28 |
kakobrekla |
its been fun even if people in charge are douchebags |
09:28 |
pankkake |
yeah, they banned me from the forums |
09:29 |
kakobrekla |
and i was 'sassing' some mod, they took my avatar rights as a reward. |
09:29 |
kakobrekla |
lel |
09:29 |
steven-__ |
what has pretty good forums but in general i'm over the genre almost made some DIY speaker last year |
09:30 |
kakobrekla |
if its from those forums , its shit speakers. |
09:30 |
pankkake |
This tree has 144 entries, 36 branches, and a depth of 5. It has 113 Users (78%), 23 Members (16%), 6 Power Users (4%) and 2 Elites (1%). 97 users are disabled (67%), and 6 users have donated (4%). |
09:30 |
pankkake |
ok, I'm worst |
09:30 |
pankkake |
worse |
09:31 |
mircea_popescu |
!up andreas_ |
09:31 |
assbot |
Voicing andreas_ for 30 minutes. |
09:31 |
pankkake |
by the way: |
09:31 |
pankkake |
::view |
09:31 |
pankkake |
;;view |
09:31 |
gribble |
#20302 Sat Apr 12 11:27:48 2014 pankkake SELL 999.0 Private torrent trackers invites @ 0 FREE (Theses are free, only requirement is WoT presence. Keep your bitcoins to donate to the actual operators.) |
09:32 |
pankkake |
some assholes are selling those |
09:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
09:32 |
kakobrekla |
meh i wouldnt risk it |
09:33 |
kakobrekla |
people dont appreciate such things. |
09:35 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
What is this private torrent tracker? |
09:36 |
pankkake |
I have many, music, movies, porn, whatever you need |
09:36 |
steven-__ |
most people forget and get disabled or can't keep up a good ratio because they only download stuff that's 12 hours old and seed it for 24-48 hours on (good trackers) |
09:36 |
pankkake |
I'm very sad underground-gamer closed, it was a gold mine of old great games |
09:37 |
joecool |
pankkake: got hdbits |
09:37 |
joecool |
? |
09:39 |
pankkake |
joecool: "Invites are disabled for the moment. May never come back" |
09:39 |
joecool |
bummer |
09:39 |
pankkake |
so I have one, unusable |
09:41 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
:( |
09:41 |
mircea_popescu |
!up steven-__ |
09:41 |
assbot |
Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes. |
09:41 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Just got 2001 a space oddessy the other night. Gonna smoke up and make a holiday of it |
09:42 |
pankkake |
spaced odyssey |
09:43 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Bah |
09:43 |
mircea_popescu |
lol good one |
09:43 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Naphex |
09:43 |
assbot |
Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes. |
09:44 |
kakobrekla |
2001 is a great flick |
09:45 |
Naphex |
i was just about to auth with gribble, pre-thanks :) |
09:45 |
mircea_popescu |
lol cool. |
09:45 |
kakobrekla |
its prolly better than dead man, now that i think of it. |
09:45 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex didn't recall if you were on the list or not |
09:46 |
kakobrekla |
well you still need to get your own voice |
09:46 |
kakobrekla |
borrowed one is a borrowed one. |
09:46 |
kakobrekla |
gotta give it back |
09:47 |
Naphex |
;;ident Naphex |
09:47 |
gribble |
Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu |
09:47 |
Naphex |
there we go. |
09:47 |
mircea_popescu |
what's btcxchange.ro ? |
09:47 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
I just listened to the book on audio and its probably one of my favorite science fiction |
09:47 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot Naphex |
09:47 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Naphex | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Naphex | Rated since: never |
09:47 |
mircea_popescu |
you ain't in the list yo |
09:47 |
joecool |
TestingUnoDosTre: not 2001 honda odyssey? |
09:48 |
steven-__ |
the prisoner was filming next to 2001 a space oddessy when they weren't on location at portmeirion |
09:48 |
steven-__ |
;;google the prisoner |
09:48 |
gribble |
The Prisoner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner>; The Prisoner (TV Series 1967–1968) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061287/>; The Prisoner (TV Mini-Series 2009) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1043714/> |
09:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8754 @ 0.00096534 = 8.4506 BTC [+] {2} |
09:49 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: romanian bitcoin->ron exchange where i slave during the day ;] |
09:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
i just lost my copy of Anathema, i was just getting started :( |
09:49 |
pankkake |
ron? |
09:49 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex never heard of it :D |
09:49 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake romania changed its rol (romanian leu) at 10k for the new romanian leu so thus... ron |
09:49 |
pankkake |
I hope it's to honor Ron Paul! |
09:50 |
bounce |
they let their slaves irc from production servers? |
09:50 |
Naphex |
bounce: yeah its in the job benefits ;] |
09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
orderbook... tons of asks, no bids. |
09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
09:50 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.52, Best ask: 494.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 30795.89377194, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.757676521 |
09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 1514.0/492.52 |
09:51 |
gribble |
3.07398684317 |
09:51 |
bounce |
so what do you do there? |
09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 3.23 / 3.07 |
09:51 |
gribble |
1.05211726384 |
09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
bout 5% off. some arb opportunity i guess. Naphex what's the confirmation process like ? |
09:52 |
Naphex |
bb in a few, gotta drive home. closing the office |
09:52 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: ID with quick confirmation for 15k eur+, some other paperwork for higher limit |
09:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0653 = 0.3265 BTC [-] |
09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex as a business ? |
09:53 |
Naphex |
as a bussiness its a monthly limit for 220k RON |
09:53 |
Naphex |
about 50k eur |
09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
and what do you do bout the vat ? |
09:54 |
Naphex |
there is no vat |
09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
lol interesting. |
09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
!up cnxmari |
09:54 |
assbot |
Voicing cnxmari for 30 minutes. |
09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
whoa look at copper jesus. |
09:55 |
mircea_popescu |
how the fuck can copper drop ? i mean gold, i get it, political interest, fake bla bla bla, whatever. ok. but copper ?! |
09:55 |
mircea_popescu |
it's rarer than gold these days! |
09:55 |
bounce |
I s'pose there's the demand side |
09:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06510404 = 2.4088 BTC [-] {10} |
09:55 |
pankkake |
because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market |
09:56 |
mircea_popescu |
what, romanians sell it on the cme ? |
09:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.06499443 = 8.1243 BTC [-] {4} |
09:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3828 @ 0.00016169 = 0.6189 BTC [-] {7} |
09:58 |
Apocalyptic |
<pankkake> because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market // that's what gypsies do in slovakia |
09:58 |
pankkake |
well, I'm saying romanians to tease, in France it's gypsies/roms/whatever |
09:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
copper dropping cuz chinese are involved with it |
09:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
PBOC gonna ban copper! |
09:59 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
10:01 |
fluffypony |
lol |
10:02 |
mircea_popescu |
just did a stats on http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ : |
10:03 |
mircea_popescu |
mircea_popescu 14, benkay 12, jborkl 10, bingoboingo 8, bitcoinpete 8, khersonus 5, jurov 1, mike_c 1. |
10:03 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
How does one get on this blag |
10:03 |
mircea_popescu |
you make a blog and bug pankkake pretty much |
10:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-] |
10:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.vox.com/2014/4/14/5614180/colorados-marijuana-tax-revenue-is-up-and-its-great-for-schools |
10:04 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Oh my, went to Colorado for my off week. Place is like heaven on earth |
10:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-] |
10:05 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
They put a quarter ounce limit on purchasers from out of state, but you can walk right in the next day |
10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
a quarter ounce should be enough to smoke yourself out pretty well no ? |
10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
in more cattle-related news, http://t.co/N08QeqZ14E |
10:05 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Yes indeed |
10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
uh i mean https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlQzuRVIgAAhl_U.jpg |
10:06 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
But I drove out there to ski, so I could take home extra |
10:06 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
In theory of course |
10:07 |
Duffer1 |
thickasthieves gotta buy another copy then ^.^ it's worth it |
10:08 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Is it sci-fi or what? |
10:08 |
Duffer1 |
is what? |
10:09 |
Duffer1 |
anathema? |
10:09 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Anathema |
10:09 |
mike_c |
some of us only write when we have something to say ;) |
10:09 |
Duffer1 |
er sorry Anathem |
10:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
so far Anathema seems very Vonnegut |
10:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
yeah |
10:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
Anathem |
10:10 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Oooh KV is the way to be |
10:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's also absolutely nothing like Reamde\ |
10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c ikr ? |
10:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
which i didnt finish |
10:12 |
pankkake |
!up steven-__ |
10:12 |
assbot |
Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes. |
10:14 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
All great sci-fi aside, anybody read Lermontovs A Hero of Our Time? |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
yea |
10:24 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-5#post-5920398 |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
lol someone caught on the splendid "free speech" dilemma maged built for teh tardstalk management. |
10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
"we don't ban scams and scammers, but this isn't because they pay us, it's simply because we believe in free speech ; we do however ban people exercising free speech, because it's bad for business." |
10:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0524 = 0.3144 BTC [-] {2} |
10:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032 = 0.192 BTC [+] {2} |
10:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] |
10:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03110007 = 0.1244 BTC [-] {3} |
10:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0524 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {3} |
10:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3} |
10:29 |
fluffypony |
"The fact that people like MPOE-PR, Deprived, and pankkake were paid to say I was a scammer and lie about me didn't help either." |
10:29 |
fluffypony |
so, how do I get a piece of this action? |
10:29 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
10:29 |
Apocalyptic |
Deprived was paid nao ? |
10:30 |
Duffer1 |
who's quoted there fluffypony? |
10:30 |
fluffypony |
Duffer1: usagi |
10:30 |
Duffer1 |
ah |
10:30 |
pankkake |
who said that |
10:30 |
Apocalyptic |
the length people go to make up shit these days... amazes me |
10:30 |
fluffypony |
"Look at Marc (Kakobrekla) who is now business partners with Mircea Popescu. When Pirate collapsed, CPA paid him 1140 BTC. Just like that. We didn't scam anybody. But what does he do? He removed his WOT rating for me." |
10:30 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: how could you do that! remove a WOT rating! the horror. |
10:30 |
pankkake |
well usagi given that he mentions Deprived |
10:30 |
pankkake |
but that's a new one for me |
10:31 |
bounce |
``Because this is still the prime (and only meaningful) communication forum for bitcoin and those of us who believe in bitcoin try to keep it as useful as possible.'' -- ckolivas https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-2#post-5745988 |
10:31 |
kakobrekla |
but my name is not marc :( |
10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla shut up marc :D |
10:31 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: it is now! |
10:31 |
Apocalyptic |
haha poor kako, first Martin, then Marc |
10:31 |
kakobrekla |
and he didnt pay 1140, twas less. |
10:31 |
jborkl |
obvious scams to customers ok, fuck you not ok- we understand da ruulz now |
10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
marcel kakobrekla! |
10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
afaik he did in fact pay a hefty sum back i nthe day (btc was like 5 bux then or something). all those posts are beleeted now, but they were riotous |
10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
ended up selling his guitar or something. |
10:33 |
nubbins` |
marsellus kakobreklus |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
who the fuck is ckolivas |
10:33 |
joecool |
con |
10:33 |
jborkl |
CGminer dev |
10:33 |
jborkl |
good guy , very smart |
10:34 |
joecool |
he gasses children for a living |
10:34 |
nubbins` |
you can make a living doing that? |
10:34 |
joecool |
yeah, medical school, etc |
10:34 |
nubbins` |
ah |
10:34 |
* |
nubbins` ponders this over coffee |
10:34 |
jborkl |
he is a doctor first |
10:35 |
fluffypony |
isn't he the guy Luke-Jr is constantly fighting with? |
10:35 |
nubbins` |
i remember trying to describe being gassed for my tonsil removal |
10:35 |
joecool |
fluffypony: yeah |
10:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC |
10:35 |
nubbins` |
after struggling for a bit, i said "it's like doing whippets until you pass out" |
10:35 |
nubbins` |
moments later, i realized it *is* doing whippets until you pass out |
10:35 |
* |
mircea_popescu ponders this over whippets |
10:35 |
nubbins` |
heh! |
10:35 |
joecool |
i got to know him awhile back from his kernel patchset, his main coding hobby before bitcoin was rewriting the linux cpu sched |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
"The Whippet (also English Whippet or Snap dog) is a breed of medium-sized dog" |
10:36 |
nubbins` |
;;ud whippet |
10:36 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whippet | Nitrous oxide found in small metal cannisters used in refillable whipped cream cannisters. Used as an inhalant drug to get high. |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
i knew all you labradorian/newfoundlandians are weird. sexually speaking. |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
with dogs. |
10:36 |
nubbins` |
hey now! |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
joecool jborkl so basically old time dev with impacted notions. aite. |
10:36 |
joecool |
Linux superbia 3.13.10-ck1 #5 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 18:25:25 EDT 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
10:37 |
BingoBoingo |
fluffypony: There's been hostility between the two that leds to the cgminer bfgminer fork |
10:37 |
joecool |
Luke-Jr: you need to msg the bot to talk |
10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Luke-Jr |
10:37 |
assbot |
Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes. |
10:37 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Luke-Jr |
10:37 |
assbot |
Voice for Luke-Jr extended to 30 minutes. |
10:37 |
Luke-Jr |
what bot |
10:37 |
joecool |
assbot |
10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
id with gribble then msg assbot !up |
10:38 |
fluffypony |
you need to massage assbot:-P |
10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
"This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer." |
10:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.00077777 = 0.1867 BTC [-] |
10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
!hi assbot |
10:38 |
nubbins` |
Darwin Jons-MB.local 13.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.1.0: Thu Jan 16 19:40:37 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.90.20~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 |
10:38 |
nubbins` |
;( |
10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
^ that's me talking to a scammeur! |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
so twitter bought gnip |
10:40 |
nubbins` |
;;ud gnip |
10:40 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gnip%20gnop | gnip gnop. Simply put, Ping Pong spelled backwards. Slang and humorous word used instead of "Ping Pong". Origin: Mansfield University, PA. "You boys up for ... |
10:40 |
nubbins` |
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` they were a data miner, on the full feeds of shit like twitter and instagram |
10:41 |
nubbins` |
so twitter bought their own data |
10:42 |
fluffypony |
so twitter bought a data miner of their own data? |
10:42 |
fluffypony |
snap nubbins` |
10:42 |
joecool |
i suppose it's easier than paying for the development of a new internal tool |
10:42 |
bounce |
keeps the competition from looting your "IP", and maybe allows you to snoop on the competition. |
10:42 |
nubbins` |
heh |
10:42 |
nubbins` |
joecool for some definitions of "easy" |
10:42 |
joecool |
bounce: and that too |
10:42 |
fluffypony |
"hey dawg, I heard you like data, so we bought some data so we could put your data inside the data" |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony esentially. |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
they were investors in it anyway iirc. |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
really this entire circus is not so much unlike usagi's 2012 businesses. usagi-cpa has bought usagi-derp from usagi-herp worth OVER NINE THOUSAND |
10:45 |
bounce |
value-add to the valuation, win-win maximisation, hey hey hey |
10:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Really usagi is probably more instructive than Pirateat40 for things to beware of |
10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly, yeah |
10:47 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/M3tGFBZ |
10:51 |
pankkake |
Marcel is a beauf(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauf) name |
10:51 |
pankkake |
it's also the French name of the wifebeater shirt |
10:55 |
bounce |
bit of a recursive fail, that pic |
10:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.064305 = 0.1286 BTC [+] {2} |
10:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012005 = 0.7203 BTC [-] {3} |
11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
soo, some twerps in spain decided "trilema" sounds kinda cool, started a foundation whatever. i sent them a friendly note about six months ago pointing out that it's a registered trademark and they're playing with fire. which they ignored. |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
so today i got to send them a notice that they either self-destruct and apologize or else i'm suing them. in, obviouisly, romanian court. |
11:06 |
mike_c |
do they spell it wrong too? |
11:06 |
fluffypony |
is the trademark registered in the EU, or just in Romania? |
11:06 |
* |
fluffypony has no idea how EU trademark law works |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.fundaciontrilema.org/ |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony http://trilema.com/2011/trilema®/ |
11:06 |
pankkake |
spanish is spelled wrong |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
nice class 41, too, which makes it pretty lulzy. |
11:07 |
mike_c |
hah, you against a bunch of geezers :) |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
they better pay up. |
11:07 |
joecool |
you whippersnapper! |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
ima buy bitcoins out of trademark enforcing moneyz, how about that! |
11:07 |
fluffypony |
ah, it's across EU |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony us too, actually. |
11:07 |
fluffypony |
nice |
11:07 |
* |
fluffypony ponders |
11:07 |
pankkake |
the real question is why would you care? |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
they have a reciprocity deal so mickey mouse can be owned by disney |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake it pays to care. |
11:08 |
joecool |
!up Luke-Jr |
11:08 |
assbot |
Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes. |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
they could have arranged a license back last year, if they had a clue. |
11:08 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: was that costly? I'm an Italian citizen, wife is German, so I can register an EU trademark instead of the shitty meaningless South African one |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
it doesn't pay to ignore what i say, and i'm definitely going to be enforcing THAT part. |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony a few grand. |
11:08 |
fluffypony |
not bad |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
like tms normally cost. |
11:08 |
fluffypony |
yeah, same as here |
11:08 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Oh my I love the term USBS. please use moar often |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
and you don't need to be any sort of citizen, you can reg it on your corp. |
11:09 |
joecool |
US trademarks are a lot cheaper |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
TestingUnoDosTre yeah huh! |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
joecool somehow i doubt that. |
11:09 |
Apocalyptic |
http://bases-marques.inpi.fr/ confirms the trademark |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
granted i've not reg'd any in years, but they were about the same back in the day |
11:09 |
joecool |
mircea_popescu: for a US trademark, i think it cost ~$400 or so |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
a but that's us only. |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, you can get regional marks in the us too, for a coupla hundred iirc. |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
in the eu too i mean |
11:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0325 = 0.5525 BTC [+] |
11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic well it'd better eh. |
11:10 |
joecool |
mircea_popescu: i must have misread, i thought trilema was just EU-registered |
11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
nah. |
11:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 39 @ 0.08299776 = 3.2369 BTC [-] |
11:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00519999 = 0.156 BTC [-] |
11:15 |
Apocalyptic |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathem is this the book TAT mentionned earlier ? |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up wywialm |
11:18 |
assbot |
Voicing wywialm for 30 minutes. |
11:18 |
wywialm |
hi, thanks for upvoting |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
11:19 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate wywialm 1 New blood |
11:19 |
wywialm |
will ident in a second |
11:19 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wywialm has been recorded. |
11:19 |
mircea_popescu |
now you can selfup. |
11:19 |
wywialm |
wow, thanks |
11:20 |
wywialm |
;;ident |
11:20 |
gribble |
Nick 'wywialm', with hostmask 'wywialm!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl', is identified as user 'wywialm', with GPG key id B8F8FFF5052A2FA4, key fingerprint 6066C0309D81DBE48E97D6CCB8F8FFF5052A2FA4, and bitcoin address None |
11:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
copyright troll! |
11:23 |
BingoBoingo |
From 2010, related to the Cow business in Utah http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers |
11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves no, actually, patent troll! |
11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
It'll take plenty of military paychecks to cover the $5,600 price tag |
11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
that's actually remarkably cheap |
11:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Well they give is paygrade as E-3 and the year 2010, lemme pull up the paycheck |
11:27 |
BingoBoingo |
With the 4 years of service mentioned $1923/month |
11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
bout 2k |
11:27 |
thestringpuller |
https://github.com/adobe/source-code-pro - downloading fonts from github...dunno how I should feel about this... |
11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah |
11:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1657 @ 0.00012 = 0.1988 BTC [-] |
11:29 |
mircea_popescu |
!up neilol |
11:29 |
assbot |
Voicing neilol for 30 minutes. |
11:29 |
neilol |
thank you sir |
11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo anyway, what i meant was teh gun is pretty cheap considering it's a .5 bolt |
11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
neilol sure |
11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Neil |
11:30 |
assbot |
Voicing Neil for 30 minutes. |
11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, you know hopw to voice yourself do you ? |
11:30 |
neilol |
register with gribble |
11:30 |
neilol |
not sure of the process but if i need it |
11:31 |
neilol |
i'll figure it out |
11:31 |
joecool |
;;guide |
11:31 |
gribble |
Error: "guide" is not a valid command. |
11:31 |
joecool |
wat |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
wow ?! |
11:31 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Yeah. Still the expensive part with something like that is feeding it. |
11:31 |
pankkake |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6232636#msg6232636 |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
neilol i meant Neil. you, i think you'll have to get into the wot first |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Naphex |
11:31 |
assbot |
Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes. |
11:32 |
Naphex |
thanks |
11:32 |
Naphex |
tbh this might be an annoying system :] |
11:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {3} |
11:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05115252 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {3} |
11:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3} |
11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo what's it, like 3 bux a round |
11:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Lemme pull that up |
11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex get rated then it's a breeze |
11:33 |
Naphex |
don't do much OTC to get rated |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg anyway, instructive comparison. |
11:34 |
BingoBoingo |
No less than $3.50 quickly goes up from there |
11:35 |
pankkake |
first one is basically a dildo |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ammunition/rifle-ammunition/50-bmg/federal-american-eagle-50-bmg-618gr-tactical-tracer-10rds-xm17c.html |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
they're tracers tho |
11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
but in principle if you're practice shooting you dun care. |
11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FAXM33C 3.30 nato 660gr |
11:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Well depends on how far you are practicing out to. |
11:36 |
bounce |
funny how those "birthers" complain about policies set by, er, the previous guy? |
11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
"Due to limited supplies, and high demand this item has a 10 piece maximum order quantity per customer, every 1 day." heh |
11:36 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=589 |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile copper is tanking. |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
da fuck will this world make sense. |
11:37 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: To be fair they were also angry about the guy before the previous guy |
11:38 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake kinda has to be a dildo, cause otherwise body armor. |
11:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Also trucks |
11:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03261752 = 0.1305 BTC [-] {3} |
11:38 |
bounce |
that sounds like what I'd been thinking already: they're looking for excuses to dislike, instead of just admitting they don't like that party |
11:39 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, they're like 20kj per shot. |
11:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315005 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} |
11:39 |
mircea_popescu |
bascially works as anti aircraft too |
11:40 |
bounce |
tree fiddy a round |
11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
should go through about an inch of steel. |
11:41 |
Naphex |
anybody from blockchain.info / or with connections to buy some ad space on it? |
11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
keonne |
11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
iirc he worked there, can prolly get you in touch with whoever. |
11:42 |
Naphex |
alright, thanks |
11:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Basically there are a lot of people who want the US to collapse the wrong way, and they were ready to see it happen over cows. |
11:44 |
mircea_popescu |
http://cryptome.org/2014/04/home-made-sec.htm << cryptome bravely wades into the public, withoiut a +m |
11:45 |
mircea_popescu |
curious how long they last. |
11:49 |
wywialm |
ha, it works! |
11:50 |
wywialm |
thanks, mircea_popescu |
11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
yw |
11:50 |
bounce |
what, there's a right way to collapse? |
11:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096616 = 7.2462 BTC [+] |
11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
the russians don't agree, but i would say the way the soviet union collapsed is the right way to collapse. |
11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
no violence, massive humiliation, come back in two decades as a major. |
11:51 |
Apocalyptic |
bounce, there is, like there is a right way to land a plan without engines |
11:51 |
Naphex |
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.openssl.user/51243 |
11:51 |
Apocalyptic |
*plane |
11:51 |
Naphex |
akamai released a guarded allocator for openssl |
11:52 |
bounce |
IMO there's a larger issue but this is as good a hook as any, and that's that plenty the infrastructure relies on same being present and functional. there's a few ways to guard against that, and we might investigate them all. |
11:52 |
Naphex |
how nice of em |
11:52 |
wywialm |
how can this scenario be possible in case of US? |
11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm same way it was possible in the case of the ussr, i guess. |
11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
it never seems possible till it happens. |
11:53 |
bounce |
might be useful to survey the cracks and see how serious they are |
11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce im not sure i follow your thought. |
11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex so what exactly is your function at this btcxchange thing ? |
11:56 |
bounce |
like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out. |
11:56 |
asciilifeform |
re: that rifle - for some reason it is astoundingly popular. |
11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform do you know the reason ? |
11:57 |
wywialm |
bounce, what is your estimate of the current us cracks? |
11:57 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: mostly coding |
11:57 |
asciilifeform |
anti-materiel round |
11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex so who runs it ? |
11:57 |
asciilifeform |
a (very theoretical) pill against 'black helicopter' etc. |
11:58 |
* |
bounce hasn't even started with the study. but it looks less well than it perhaps ought to be. |
11:58 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: Horea Vuscan is the owner |
11:59 |
Duffer1 |
is he the wallet or the ceo? |
11:59 |
Duffer1 |
both? |
11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
seems the assbot was asleep at that time, but this was discussed once before : http://dpaste.com/1780498/ |
12:00 |
mircea_popescu |
so whose was the idea to print the cert ? horea vuscan's ? |
12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.44522880 BTC to 8`385 shares, 41088 satoshi per share |
12:00 |
wywialm |
bounce, mircea_popescu, do you imagine that us collapse would come together with general usG collapse, including official default? |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce i think your methodology is broken, in that it assumes a sort of linear scalability. broken government is not akin to broken windows. |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm us collapse = usg collapse. what else ? not like kansas will fall off the map or something. |
12:01 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: it's suposed to be wholly transparent, so yeah printing the cert was included |
12:01 |
bounce |
where'd you find linearity? o_O? |
12:01 |
Naphex |
public owner, cert printed, offices exist etc |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex aite send me mail from its domain i'll give you a 1 rating |
12:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 683 @ 0.00015999 = 0.1093 BTC [+] {2} |
12:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 2.43718776 BTC to 148`428 shares, 1642 satoshi per share |
12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce here : "like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out." |
12:02 |
asciilifeform |
'predicting that something is going to happen is a lot easier than predicting when something will happen. Suppose you have an old bridge: the concrete is cracked, chunks of it are missing with rusty rebar showing through. An inspector declares it “structurally deficient.” This bridge is definitely going to collapse at some point, but on what date? That is something that nobody can tell you. If you push for |
12:02 |
asciilifeform |
an answer, you might hear something like this: If it doesnÂ’t collapse within a year, then it might stay up for another two. And if it stays up that long, then it might stay up for another decade. But if it stays up for an entire decade, then it will probably collapse within a year or two of that, because, given its rate of deterioration, at that point it will be entirely unclear what is holding it up.' |
12:02 |
asciilifeform |
(orlov, 'fragility and collapse.' http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/06/fragility-and-collapse-slowly-at-first.html) |
12:03 |
bounce |
I don't see it. I was saying to map it, do linear regression on it. |
12:03 |
wywialm |
i can imagine us collapse in the sense of it falling apart with some central power still serving the debt etc - not very realistic scenario, sure. I just wanted to ask to be sure |
12:03 |
thestringpuller |
!ticker m s.mpoe |
12:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00095936 / 0.00096627 (269828 shares, 258.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096649 / 0.00101 (3227854 shares, 3,119.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00092994 / 0.00101 (22778761 shares, 21,183.10 BTC) |
12:04 |
BingoBoingo |
wywialm: Basically the thing to hope for is USSR style collapse rather than Somalia style collapse |
12:04 |
asciilifeform |
'...If the number of cement chunks falling out of your bridge keeps doubling, you can compute the moment when every last piece of the bridge will be in the river, and that is your upper bound.' |
12:05 |
benkay |
little pockets of civilization will endure, wywialm. |
12:05 |
benkay |
near eletricity generation sites, i'm hoping. |
12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce so you don't see where linearity is in "linear regression" ? |
12:06 |
bounce |
oh, there's a "not" missing there. duh. |
12:06 |
mircea_popescu |
lol ok, well, if you elide nots it'll become hard to follow :D |
12:07 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: I talked with Spondoolies-Tech CEO, he'll try to get to this channel later tonight, if you have any specific questions I can forward then in the meantime |
12:07 |
* |
dignork trying his shilling skills |
12:08 |
bounce |
point was to make visible the rot. what to do after that, well... can even just eyeball the thing and look at crumbling acceleration rates and such |
12:09 |
asciilifeform |
'Spondoolies' ?! - actual name of something ? |
12:09 |
dignork |
asciilifeform: yes, no idea where the name came from |
12:09 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
12:10 |
bounce |
wikipedia knows, of course. sea shells. |
12:10 |
wywialm |
surely some sort of (even collapse-induced) decentralisation/recentralisation of power could bring much fresh air, but... |
12:10 |
dexX7 |
can anyone tell me how google and other providers handle email rejections? i have some trouble with a hoster which i'm using as intermediate hop to relay my mails.. and currently every request/mail is rejected. service said they'll fix it "in the next 24 hours" -.-" |
12:10 |
wywialm |
...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line |
12:10 |
bounce |
noticed how the french revolution caused /more/, not less, centralisation? france hasn't quite recovered yet. |
12:11 |
fluffypony |
dexX7: typically they let it through but flag it as spam unless something is very wrong |
12:11 |
fluffypony |
dexX7: is the intermediary hop in your SPF record? |
12:11 |
wywialm |
bounce, surely, but the ussr collapse, which is (as i noticed) main reference point now, lead to less centralization |
12:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03114122 = 0.5294 BTC [-] {5} |
12:13 |
dexX7 |
i set the ns records of the hop in the domain settings and the intermediate simply redirects the mails |
12:13 |
wywialm |
so it's not easy to perform generalizations here. Probably most obvious example of decentralizing "collapse" (or rather decline) would be Rome |
12:13 |
bounce |
that took a goodly while, though |
12:14 |
wywialm |
maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature |
12:14 |
bounce |
likewise the ottoman empire |
12:14 |
fluffypony |
dexX7: yes, but the email will look like it's coming from the intermediary, no? so it will have to be in your SPF? |
12:14 |
wywialm |
bounce, thats why "collapse" and not collapse |
12:14 |
dexX7 |
i guess: yes |
12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate Naphex 1 btcxchange.ro |
12:15 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded. |
12:15 |
bounce |
and, I don't think russia is quite done yet. |
12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork that is splendid |
12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
no rush or anything |
12:15 |
Naphex |
worked, thans |
12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce as a "map the rot" project this is probably valuable even if it gets no direct results. |
12:15 |
Naphex |
thanks even |
12:16 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
little better available in training devices in any craft than "failure examination" |
12:16 |
fluffypony |
dexX7: I'm guessing, of course, I may be wrong |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex yw |
12:16 |
gribble |
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12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
<wywialm> ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line << it's the first in line of the set {US} |
12:16 |
dexX7 |
well, should not be much of a problem, even if it's a blackhole at the moment. thanks fluffy anyway :) |
12:16 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.rfcafe.com/miscellany/contests/images/an-introduction-to-error-analysis.jpg |
12:17 |
fluffypony |
dexX7: btw is this being used programmatically by a system, or is it normal user-generated emails? |
12:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.063602 = 0.1908 BTC [-] {2} |
12:17 |
asciilifeform |
(cover of an old uni textbook i had) |
12:17 |
Apocalyptic |
"ADAM BACK, CHIEF CRYPTOGRAPHY OFFICER" |
12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
<wywialm> maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature << they didn't have the press. which is why it took longer. ussr didn't have the internet, which is why it took so damned long. |
12:17 |
Apocalyptic |
that's a title you don't see very often |
12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
the us can collapse in all of two weeks, as tech stands today. |
12:18 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/texas/alamo-urinator-sentenced-to-prison-765419 |
12:18 |
dexX7 |
rabbit answered re: cold glass devices and probably comes by sooner or later |
12:18 |
asciilifeform |
cold glass? |
12:18 |
dexX7 |
*dildos |
12:18 |
dexX7 |
hehe |
12:18 |
dexX7 |
sec |
12:19 |
dexX7 |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.0;all |
12:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0075 = 0.3 BTC [+] |
12:19 |
fluffypony |
dexX7: been using this recently, and it's awesome: http://www.mailgun.com |
12:19 |
dexX7 |
fluffypony: it's simply a webhost with mail service which redirects all incomings |
12:20 |
bounce |
checked the DNSBLs? |
12:20 |
BingoBoingo |
dexX7: Do you have DKIM set up? |
12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex you'll prolly have to point out to your boss you're doing more marketing/pr than anyone there. |
12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
time for a raise. |
12:21 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony srsly ? wtf does it do ? i was just deriding it yest. |
12:21 |
asciilifeform |
'NFC technology, you can be certain that the chip inside is exactly your chip- it has a unique authenticity signature, non-clonable, and most usefully, an access counter.' << someone needs 'protocol vs. promise' lesson? |
12:21 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: hehe, will send him a note :] only got 2 extra toothpicks this year:( |
12:22 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: I have constant issues with customers marking order updates as spam accidentally/on purpose, have that happen a few times and suddenly all customers stop getting emails from your domain |
12:22 |
bounce |
what, you're saying broadcasting unique serial numbers is somehow not automagic security on top? but! It's NFC, man! |
12:22 |
fluffypony |
all GMail customers, sorry |
12:22 |
fluffypony |
should have specified that |
12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
is this vuscan fellow the son of the oil factory vuscan, with the 3 victims traffic accident ? |
12:22 |
fluffypony |
but mailgun mails seem to go through no problem |
12:22 |
dexX7 |
well, there is something about DKIM in the header |
12:22 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: yes |
12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ic |
12:22 |
Naphex |
former Horea Oil |
12:23 |
Naphex |
for cooking, was named after him i think |
12:23 |
joecool |
BingoBoingo: lawl, ozzy got away with paying texas $10k to forget about it |
12:23 |
BingoBoingo |
joecool: Yeah |
12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony so basically it sells you gmail protection services ? the spam racket ? |
12:24 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: bingo |
12:24 |
dexX7 |
anyway. i'm away again, thanks and bye :) |
12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
how the fuck is ycombinator involved in everything unsavoury. |
12:24 |
bounce |
they're angels, that's why |
12:24 |
pankkake |
dexX7: the basics are: reverse dns of sending server should be related to the expeditor domain (or at least be something), and SPF entries are always a plus |
12:24 |
wywialm |
mircea_popescu, still i don't see how currently visible and not visible but suspected cracks might bring down us |
12:24 |
rithm |
it's called "hacker news" after all |
12:25 |
pankkake |
you can search your IP on DNSBLs, maybe you've been flagged |
12:25 |
joecool |
$4k to "pay for the damage" who gets paid $4k to hose off a wall? |
12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm this is why i made my linearity objeciton. it won't collapse because of "cracks". it will collapse because all the people that matter are fucking sick of it. |
12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
and the people that matter are the 1%, not the average fucktard on reddit/the metro. |
12:26 |
wywialm |
true |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
yeah, because Occupy Wall Street was so successful |
12:26 |
fluffypony |
it just kinda went nowhere and fizzled out |
12:26 |
bounce |
so? hairline cracks are much less % of aeroplanes, but if you don't watch out the wings might still fall off |
12:27 |
bounce |
s/less/& than/ |
12:27 |
asciilifeform |
'occupy lolstreet' is analogous to zhirinovsky's political party in the late ussr |
12:27 |
wywialm |
still, these people have some exposure to us treasuries - and yields are further than anytime from signaling default |
12:27 |
asciilifeform |
yes, the one set up by kgb |
12:27 |
bounce |
argl, cancel subst |
12:27 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: funny how people always remember the victim count :P |
12:27 |
* |
bounce needs food, badly |
12:27 |
asciilifeform |
as 'first second party!11!' |
12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm actually the exposure to treasuries is mostly pension funds. |
12:29 |
asciilifeform |
both -> exposure to 'bail-in' |
12:30 |
wywialm |
from my knowledge, the highest exposure is interbank collateral, bank reserves and China |
12:30 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, the bubble is having trouble |
12:30 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101585397 |
12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm we were talking fo the {1%, 99%} set I thought |
12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
banks reduce to their shareholders, and foreign sovereigns don't count |
12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
china holding us debt is no sort of statement of confidence in the usg, quite the contrary, it's a claim on its asshole. |
12:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.0009663 = 16.0406 BTC [+] {3} |
12:34 |
wywialm |
i once gave it (the china matter) a thought, and currently i believe it is to weak a claim. in case of default, china would get much much more hurt than us |
12:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC |
12:34 |
wywialm |
and banks are currently increasingly departed from their shareholders, too close to washington, dc |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm how do you figure, "much more hurt" ? |
12:35 |
bounce |
re asimov story: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/04/07/business/gods-edging-out-robots-at-toyota-facility/ |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
"china takes over alaska administration, in consideration of debts owed by us government" |
12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
not thaty hurt. |
12:37 |
wywialm |
china banking system is built upon dollar reserves, after they evaporate, china could only use military force. And when it comes to war, any claim can serve only as a pretext |
12:37 |
wywialm |
i don't believe china would need a pretext if they were sufficiently prepared |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't see that claim. |
12:38 |
wywialm |
bonds as a claim |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
chinese banks were built that way briefly in the 70s, i would guess. |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile it's a lot more complicated, they also peg to the euro, they also peg to a russian synthetic-currency derived out of energy holdings, |
12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
and these are just the big ones |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://en.voice-yemen.com/content/uploads/blog-64-china-exports.jpg this is illustrative. |
12:40 |
wywialm |
why then the china monetary growth halts so rapidly when US QE3 is gradually folding, both in terms of dollar money supply growth and expectation of its future path? |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
their asian interests marginally exceed us and europe combined, for instance. |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
so while it wouldn't be alaksa per se, there's plenty of places it can be. |
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12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm many possible reasons. they had a number of local crises brewing for a long time, when your neighbour is arrested for unkempt yard is a good time to do a little lawn mowing in your own. |
12:43 |
wywialm |
if the dollar wasn't their main reference point and concern, PBoC could sustain their previous money growth at will |
12:43 |
wywialm |
after all, inflating the currency is not so difficult |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
of course they could. |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
they don't seem to want to. |
12:45 |
bounce |
how much for alaska, buying a free state with bitcoin? |
12:45 |
wywialm |
obviously true, at least in case of china. |
12:45 |
wywialm |
i remember some economists claiming that e.g. Japan couldn't inflate any further by printing money |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce i would guess when it eventually sells it'll be something like 500k-1mn btc |
12:46 |
wywialm |
that was before Kuroda at the BoJ, of course |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm lol |
12:46 |
wywialm |
google richard koo, if i recall correcty |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
"Today, the tech industry is apparently on track to destroy one of the worldÂ’s most valuable cultural treasures, San Francisco, " |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
dude holy shit. san francisco is barely fucking notable, what is this navel grazing crap. |
12:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC |
12:48 |
wywialm |
and hordes of speciffically flavoured keynesians fearing the zero lower bound of interest rates, the called for fiscal expansion as a substitute |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm japan is not salvageable anyway. |
12:49 |
bounce |
o_O? |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
it has a history, but no future, just like england has a history, but no future. |
12:50 |
Apocalyptic |
not so sure about england |
12:50 |
Apocalyptic |
but definitely about Japan |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
they'll be the 51th state of their respective local superpowers, and be used exactly like san francisco is used today |
12:50 |
joecool |
nubbins`: you buying at all? i need a small amount of CAD |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
"o hey, 200 years ago mark twain whom you've read though this place was pretty cool. |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
back then, it was." |
12:50 |
wywialm |
i agree about japan |
12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, this piece is pretty lulzy http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/ |
12:56 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: how do I get btcx data into gribble?:D |
12:57 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: ask nanotube |
12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
nanotube may help you with that, possibly also talk to tcatm (runs bitcoincharts) |
12:57 |
pankkake |
first step is being on bitcoincharts I think |
12:57 |
fluffypony |
good point |
12:58 |
thestringpuller |
;;ud hold up |
12:58 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hold%20up | hold up. wait a minute! postpone your plans, there's something that must be addressed immediately. hold up, let me grab some munchies before we get goin. |
12:58 |
Naphex |
thanks |
12:58 |
Naphex |
already rolled out api, just need some accessors to help people with the public data |
12:58 |
Naphex |
https://api.btcxchange.ro/ |
12:59 |
danielpbarron |
do you run that site? |
12:59 |
thestringpuller |
benkay: you actually here or just frontin' |
12:59 |
Naphex |
hoping to finish the data plant and eur support sometime next week |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
'The Google Bus protesters have said that the company should build housing on its campus, but the Mountain View city council has explicitly forbidden Google from doing just that. TheyÂ’ve argued that itÂ’s to protect the cityÂ’s burrowing owl population.' << real estate parasites want to live too |
13:00 |
Naphex |
danielpbarron: one of the main programmers behind it |
13:03 |
benkay |
i'm here thestringpuller |
13:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0524999 = 0.105 BTC [-] |
13:08 |
bounce |
programmer? can you describe your set-up a bit? |
13:12 |
Naphex |
bounce: setup of what, like the workstation? |
13:12 |
bounce |
whatever you think is important about developing and running the exchange. |
13:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.03199918 = 1.76 BTC [+] {4} |
13:15 |
jborkl |
mircea_popescu you see the American Airways twitter reponse yesterday? |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
jborkl that they apologise ? ya |
13:15 |
jborkl |
ya |
13:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03280624 = 0.2624 BTC [+] {3} |
13:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0637 = 0.1274 BTC [-] |
13:19 |
wywialm |
!down |
13:19 |
assbot |
Need a nickname, wywialm. |
13:20 |
wywialm |
!down wywialm |
13:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.063602 = 0.3816 BTC [-] |
13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
lolwut |
13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
!down wywialm |
13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
hahaha niceone |
13:20 |
Naphex |
bounce: well for the trading engine i focused a lot on performance and security |
13:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.08299776 = 0.581 BTC [-] {2} |
13:21 |
Apocalyptic |
Naphex, is it in php ? |
13:21 |
Naphex |
Apocalyptic: lol no |
13:21 |
Apocalyptic |
what language then ? |
13:21 |
Naphex |
Apocalyptic: java for the backend |
13:22 |
mircea_popescu |
http://sgtreport.com/2014/04/unidentified-fighter-jets-open-fire-on-kramatorsk-airfield-casualties-reported/ |
13:22 |
mircea_popescu |
java is focused on security ?! |
13:22 |
Naphex |
php for some of the frontend with no handling of critical data |
13:22 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: yeah, its not like its running in the browser |
13:23 |
Naphex |
plus you run it on isolated enviroment with no other vulnerable cruft there |
13:23 |
wywialm |
why did i get de-identified? why did i get kicked instead of muted? |
13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm questions for the ages. |
13:23 |
Naphex |
and you clean the input through load balancers before fowarding in it |
13:24 |
Naphex |
i expect more vulnerable code from C guys then Java guys tbh |
13:25 |
Apocalyptic |
<mircea_popescu> java is focused on security ?! // surprised as well, it's not focused on performance either |
13:25 |
pankkake |
a selling point of java is its simplicity (I'm gentle, I hate that aspect but well) |
13:25 |
Apocalyptic |
gotta love that fat VM |
13:25 |
Naphex |
its pretty high performance if you're not running on shitty servlets |
13:25 |
pankkake |
in return it's easy to analyze |
13:25 |
Naphex |
Standalone java, nio, is pretty high performance tbh |
13:25 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Haha American airlines twitted some pron? |
13:25 |
Naphex |
BigDecimal performance nicely as well |
13:26 |
Naphex |
don't belive it, try some benchmarks :P |
13:26 |
Apocalyptic |
Naphex, high performance compared to what an equivalent code compiled in C ? doubt it |
13:26 |
fluffypony |
TestingUnoDosTre: yeah saw that, it's hilarious :) |
13:26 |
pankkake |
java is amazing in the sense that it performs well at benchmark |
13:26 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
13:26 |
pankkake |
but when you use it it FEELS so slow |
13:27 |
Naphex |
runs pretty good |
13:27 |
Apocalyptic |
pankkake, java and amazing don't belong to the same sentence, ever :D |
13:27 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
13:27 |
fluffypony |
I'll take an exchange with Java on the back than PHP any day |
13:27 |
pankkake |
fluffypony: yeah. even though, again, I really don't like Java as a developer |
13:28 |
Naphex |
i like it |
13:28 |
fluffypony |
pankkake: I personally dislike it too |
13:28 |
Naphex |
and i do C, C++ as well |
13:28 |
Naphex |
nothing to dislike about it |
13:28 |
Naphex |
imho |
13:29 |
Naphex |
its got hard types, you get away from low level |
13:29 |
Naphex |
its not that bad too scale, threading is a breeze |
13:29 |
Naphex |
NIO classes are awesome |
13:30 |
Naphex |
everything is checked, exceptions everywhere (yes a good thing) :) |
13:30 |
Apocalyptic |
exception handlers are a killing performance |
13:30 |
Naphex |
nothing to qq about |
13:30 |
pankkake |
yes, it's certainly cleaner than C++ on that aspect |
13:31 |
Apocalyptic |
you get away from low level // that's almost always a bad thing in performance critical applications |
13:31 |
Naphex |
Apocalyptic: they don't kill too much performance when you are sensible about it |
13:31 |
Apocalyptic |
i.e. it will probably spend a tremendous amount of time doing things you don't want it doing |
13:31 |
bounce |
how do load balancers clean input? |
13:31 |
Naphex |
doing Price-Time prio is not that performance critical that you can't do it with BigDecimal and java |
13:31 |
Naphex |
or you have to do a C/C plugin to optimize :P |
13:32 |
Apocalyptic |
plugins ? |
13:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00096695 = 1.257 BTC [+] |
13:32 |
Naphex |
bounce: load balancer with packet inspection, validate messages and packets before |
13:32 |
Apocalyptic |
since you work with sathosi-precision an uint_64 is all you need |
13:32 |
Apocalyptic |
he bignum library will once again slow things down |
13:32 |
Apocalyptic |
*the |
13:32 |
Naphex |
Apocalyptic: as in write a C .so to implement/optimize bogdowns |
13:32 |
bounce |
validate in what sense, ip packets? tcp streams? |
13:33 |
Naphex |
Apocalyptic: its not about that, you eventually want to support more currencies and some money formatting |
13:33 |
Apocalyptic |
so what ? |
13:33 |
Naphex |
bounce: down to data packets for specific services |
13:33 |
Apocalyptic |
you're telling me you will need to store things above 64-bit precision ? |
13:34 |
bounce |
http, or what're you taking in, FIX? |
13:34 |
Apocalyptic |
zimbabwe dollars planned soon ? |
13:34 |
Naphex |
hehe |
13:34 |
fluffypony |
I'd love me some Zim Dollaz |
13:34 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140414/NEWS08/304140043/Pentagon-condemns-provocative-Russian-military-action-against-U-S-Navy-ship |
13:35 |
Naphex |
Apocalyptic: its not that, but a lot more went into picking java, and i definetly wouldn't have picked C:P |
13:35 |
Apocalyptic |
why ? |
13:35 |
Naphex |
programmer availability would have been another one |
13:35 |
Apocalyptic |
for now all you're arguments for using java are kinda superfluous |
13:35 |
Naphex |
hard to find good C programmers vs java ones |
13:35 |
Apocalyptic |
*your |
13:36 |
Naphex |
this around the location where i live |
13:36 |
Apocalyptic |
and it's clearly not optimized for performance given what you've described |
13:36 |
kakobrekla |
;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a requirement of leaving the feedback, but since he is asking to give him back btc 'for old time |
13:36 |
kakobrekla |
sakes', I will leave this feedback here. |
13:36 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user usagi has been recorded. |
13:36 |
Naphex |
easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced |
13:36 |
kakobrekla |
fuck it doesnt fit |
13:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13465 @ 0.00096695 = 13.02 BTC [+] |
13:36 |
Apocalyptic |
<Naphex> easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced // ok this is a point |
13:36 |
pankkake |
omg! |
13:36 |
Apocalyptic |
but you will notice it has nothing to do with performance or securit |
13:36 |
Apocalyptic |
+y |
13:37 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: now he'll have to recant his earlier statement |
13:37 |
bounce |
so, java for the back-end and some php for some front. what about the tradig webfront and the trading api? |
13:37 |
fluffypony |
Marc |
13:37 |
Naphex |
is from a java / rpc server standpoind :] |
13:37 |
kakobrekla |
:D |
13:37 |
bounce |
s/dig/ding/ |
13:37 |
fluffypony |
Markakobrekla |
13:38 |
kakobrekla |
;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a clause re. wot, but since he is asking back btc, I will leave it here. |
13:38 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from 1 to 1. |
13:38 |
kakobrekla |
thar. |
13:38 |
Naphex |
bounce: trading api just hits same engine api server as the frontend |
13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex you know you should be using ints for bitcoin in the first place. wtf decimal bs is this |
13:40 |
fluffypony |
yurp |
13:40 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea, see above |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla wins the "longest rate comment" contest. |
13:41 |
kakobrekla |
lol |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic yeah you beat me to it :p |
13:41 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: http://java-performance.info/bigdecimal-vs-double-in-financial-calculations/ |
13:41 |
Apocalyptic |
who said anything about double ? |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex int dood. not decimal of any kind. int. |
13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot usagi |
13:42 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012 |
13:42 |
bounce |
everybody knows accounting should be done on the double |
13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
check that shit out. |
13:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0525 = 0.1575 BTC [+] {2} |
13:42 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: bigdecimal gets to deal with all that, and you don't have to store multiple currencies with a scale value as well |
13:42 |
Naphex |
i have multi-currency support handled in the engine |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
if i were designing this it'd all be satoshi based, and your 19.99 dollars'd read as 1999000000 |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway1 |
13:43 |
Apocalyptic |
^ |
13:43 |
Naphex |
and then you would've have kept the scale value as well right |
13:43 |
Apocalyptic |
maybe just set some smaller precision on the fiat side |
13:43 |
Naphex |
USD scale .2 |
13:43 |
bounce |
alright, so, you cook up a new feature. hit reload and it goes live? or how does that work? |
13:43 |
Naphex |
dogecoin .scale 8 |
13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex why keep a scale value ? |
13:44 |
Apocalyptic |
bounce, hotswapping code, gotta love it |
13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
you're on a 64 bit system, who the fuck is going to deposit enough dollars to take you out of maxint |
13:44 |
Naphex |
i dunno |
13:44 |
Naphex |
why care about that> |
13:44 |
bounce |
YKINMK, and anyway, let the guy explain |
13:44 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea, because he uses some arbitrary precision library he doesn't have a clue that he doesn't need it |
13:44 |
Naphex |
use bigdecimal and let it handle o.O |
13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
92`233`720`368.54775807 worst case scenario. |
13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
even obama dun have it. |
13:45 |
bounce |
or that mexican telephone guy |
13:45 |
davout |
Apocalyptic: what's wrong with a bigdecimal type? |
13:45 |
Naphex |
davout: nothing is |
13:45 |
Naphex |
hehe |
13:46 |
Apocalyptic |
compared to native int handling it's worse performance-wise |
13:46 |
Apocalyptic |
which is what we're arguing here |
13:46 |
Naphex |
i just don't need it, and would probably run faster going native |
13:46 |
Naphex |
too bad i run this on 32 core |
13:46 |
Naphex |
and i never get too feel much performance increase yet |
13:46 |
davout |
Apocalyptic: benchmark pl0x |
13:46 |
Apocalyptic |
even so, it will use 2 registers to store one Naphex |
13:46 |
Apocalyptic |
no big deal |
13:46 |
davout |
also if you really care about this kind of performance difference you're doing some seriously messed up shit |
13:47 |
davout |
:-) |
13:47 |
Apocalyptic |
still better than the thousands of CPU-cycles overhead using that BigDecimal |
13:47 |
Naphex |
time to start writing a new exchange engine, with its own kernel ;] |
13:47 |
bounce |
in perl |
13:47 |
Naphex |
Apocalyptic: too bad i can scale this too still low cost and get whole bitcoin exchange trafic |
13:48 |
Naphex |
and not break much sweat |
13:48 |
davout |
Apocalyptic: is it what you think or have you actually benchmarked it ? also cpu cycles are a couple of order of magnitudes cheaper than the time it takes to handle it the code level by hungry humans |
13:48 |
bounce |
naphex: suppose you cook up a new feature. how does it go in? save work, reload and go? |
13:49 |
bounce |
davout: for single applications, yes. for things that run on 30M+ cpus, not so much. |
13:49 |
davout |
bounce: |
13:49 |
Naphex |
bounce: nah, git checkout, compile, run tests, test in pre-production, run tests again |
13:49 |
bounce |
s/single/& deployment/ really |
13:49 |
Naphex |
shutdown and reload |
13:49 |
davout |
whoops |
13:49 |
Apocalyptic |
davout, i don't need to benchmark something I know will require 1 ASM MUL EAX,EBX instruction for exemple compared to a Java arbitrary-precision library |
13:49 |
Naphex |
when you do git checkout there are some other code preprocessing before, but doesn't matter |
13:50 |
bounce |
alright, so you have separate dev/test/prod environments. how does roll-back work, should that be necessary? |
13:50 |
Naphex |
bounce: time based snapshots, backups, and replayable transactions with microtime acuracy |
13:50 |
Naphex |
roll back everything to point in time X |
13:50 |
Apocalyptic |
"replayable transactions with microtime acuracy" now that's something nice |
13:50 |
Naphex |
worst case scenario manual data importing and conversiion |
13:51 |
bounce |
ever tested that? |
13:51 |
davout |
Apocalyptic: what kind of software that's so sensitive to minor performance differences were you guys discussing anyway ? |
13:51 |
Naphex |
bounce: yes |
13:51 |
bounce |
assuming you didn't have to do it in anger (yet) |
13:51 |
Apocalyptic |
davout, a trading engine |
13:51 |
fluffypony |
davout: BTC<->fiat exchange |
13:51 |
bounce |
what's the database like? |
13:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 707 @ 0.00016382 = 0.1158 BTC [-] {7} |
13:51 |
fluffypony |
bounce: good question |
13:51 |
davout |
Apocalyptic fluffypony and you guys worry about this kind of performance difference? |
13:52 |
fluffypony |
davout: I'm not |
13:52 |
Apocalyptic |
davout, when you come in claiming you have focused on performance yes |
13:52 |
kakobrekla |
all you really need is a better string. |
13:52 |
Naphex |
bounce: in memory, sql back stores |
13:52 |
kakobrekla |
maybe a golden chain. |
13:52 |
fluffypony |
davout: I'd probably go Galera Cluster for the DB + something monolithic for the trading engine...python? nfi. I haven't thought this through. |
13:52 |
Naphex |
Apocalyptic: haven't focused that far, no more debunking needed:P |
13:52 |
bounce |
so java in-memory or something like I dunno memcached? |
13:53 |
Naphex |
java in memory, with some inhouse disk based storage, and sql backstores |
13:53 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: you should switch to mongodb, it it's good enough for CoinBase it should be good enough for everyone |
13:53 |
fluffypony |
</sarcasm> |
13:53 |
fluffypony |
web scale! |
13:53 |
davout |
Apocalyptic fluffypony i wouldn't care about that, i'd care about having a fault tolerant memory db, that slowly gets synced to an actual rdbms |
13:53 |
bounce |
apropos, which sql thinger? |
13:53 |
Apocalyptic |
mysql obviously |
13:54 |
Naphex |
psql |
13:54 |
pankkake |
obviously? |
13:54 |
Apocalyptic |
was joking :) |
13:54 |
Naphex |
obviously |
13:54 |
bounce |
obviously. |
13:54 |
Naphex |
:)) |
13:54 |
pankkake |
:) |
13:54 |
bounce |
ever had the power go out? |
13:54 |
Naphex |
bounce: diesel backup ;] |
13:55 |
Naphex |
coloc |
13:55 |
bounce |
hope you don't have to crank it up manually. :-) |
13:55 |
Naphex |
there's a slave there who does it :)) |
13:55 |
bounce |
he fast enough that the batteries don't outrun him then? |
13:56 |
Naphex |
he senses power loss 20 minutes early |
13:56 |
Naphex |
using romanian voodoo magic ;] |
13:56 |
fluffypony |
nice |
13:56 |
fluffypony |
gypsy slave? |
13:56 |
fluffypony |
or just ordinary slave? |
13:57 |
Naphex |
hehe |
13:57 |
Apocalyptic |
fluffypony, ask if they still have some copper left in the DC |
13:57 |
fluffypony |
lol |
13:57 |
davout |
lol |
13:57 |
fluffypony |
100mbps is good enough for anyone! |
13:57 |
bounce |
so, that's one box with 32cpus does everything except the load balancing? |
13:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 300 @ 0.14 = 42 BTC |
13:57 |
fluffypony |
10Base-T coax, star topology? |
13:58 |
Naphex |
bounce: enough servers for everything, some stuff runs isolated |
13:59 |
bounce |
alright. monitoring? |
13:59 |
fluffypony |
http://network-communications.blogspot.com/2011/06/network-topology-star-bus-mesh-ring.html <- memories of networking in 1997 |
13:59 |
bounce |
10BASE5 tentacled bus, silly |
13:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0667238 = 0.1334 BTC [+] |
13:59 |
bounce |
VAMPIRE TAPS |
13:59 |
fluffypony |
hah |
14:00 |
Naphex |
realtime monitoring, rrd's for everything with alerts, everything critical is on a dashboard :) |
14:00 |
bounce |
who's looking at it, you? |
14:01 |
Naphex |
? |
14:01 |
bounce |
if that's a question.... anyway, whose phone's gonna ring when the dashboard turns red? |
14:02 |
Naphex |
everyones |
14:02 |
bounce |
how many people total, about five or so? |
14:02 |
Naphex |
probably |
14:03 |
bounce |
alright, the prosecution rests. ;-) |
14:03 |
Naphex |
phew :)) |
14:04 |
Naphex |
nah its serious stuff |
14:04 |
Naphex |
money is important for everyone ;] |
14:05 |
bounce |
yeah. these're the sort of questions people should've been asking from the start. |
14:05 |
bounce |
you at least look to've thought about it, so that's something. |
14:06 |
Naphex |
i did lots of this stuff before, so most come in natural |
14:06 |
bounce |
you worked at a bank before? |
14:06 |
Naphex |
a lot more risk to expect from handling money and bitcoins then public transport data |
14:07 |
Naphex |
nah - no banks |
14:07 |
Naphex |
embedded and industrial app development, in software |
14:07 |
bounce |
bit of an old boys network, apparently. hard to get chummy with if you're not one of them. |
14:07 |
Naphex |
and lots of backends |
14:07 |
bounce |
ah, hence java |
14:08 |
fluffypony |
bounce: and also seems to be quite an MS shop in many parts, at least with the older more established banks |
14:08 |
Apocalyptic |
makes sense |
14:08 |
Naphex |
yes |
14:08 |
bounce |
winderz but often with ibmish backends |
14:08 |
fluffypony |
lots of IBM DB2 on the backend if it's really old stuff |
14:08 |
fluffypony |
yes |
14:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [-] |
14:10 |
bounce |
really should do linux (well, *BSD really) thin clients at least for all the desks, and something reasonable for a back-end. which might still be some mainframe or other. |
14:10 |
Naphex |
http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/cat/urban+transportation?var=2 some stuff i did |
14:10 |
fluffypony |
and then for some reason automation and tooling written in COBOL |
14:10 |
bounce |
s/desks/teller stations/ |
14:10 |
Naphex |
http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/name/citypark+ticket+vending+machines?var=1 and |
14:10 |
fluffypony |
bounce: from about 2003-2007 I was heavily involved with two of the local banks |
14:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00097009 = 11.5441 BTC [+] {2} |
14:11 |
fluffypony |
the one, Standard Bank, ran OS/2 warp in a VM for their home loans client |
14:11 |
fluffypony |
literally every single agent/manager/support person in the home loans dept used that |
14:11 |
fluffypony |
because rewriting the system would have been too expensive, and IBM sold them on OS/2 in the 80s/90s |
14:12 |
bounce |
OS/2 does funky things to the hardware, apparently a bitch to emulate |
14:12 |
bounce |
not a bad move otherwise. though I'd still be mighty tempted to just quietly start and refactor parts until I have a fully working system, even if it takes a few years |
14:13 |
fluffypony |
well that was one of the projects I was on |
14:13 |
fluffypony |
we started with reporting |
14:13 |
fluffypony |
instead of live reporting off DB2 (each business unit pays for DB2 access they use over the month, so it's pricey) it was cheaper to drop and re-copy the entire DB every night to a reporting DB |
14:14 |
fluffypony |
re-index, and fresh reports are available in the morning |
14:15 |
fluffypony |
no clue if it progressed much from there, I went on to other things |
14:15 |
bounce |
naphex: looking cool. |
14:15 |
bounce |
page appears to make some unwarranted assumptions in the layout, but anyway |
14:17 |
Naphex |
all sorts of machines for eastern europe mostly |
14:17 |
bounce |
should be plenty market, if a bit cash-strapped |
14:18 |
Naphex |
yeah |
14:19 |
Naphex |
few cities in romania that use our full solution for public transport |
14:19 |
Naphex |
some parking meters for poland |
14:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1715 @ 0.00019872 = 0.3408 BTC [+] {8} |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-11-zim-informal-economy-fast-taking-over |
14:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+] |
14:29 |
fluffypony |
<3 mg |
14:29 |
fluffypony |
it's honestly one of our better publications |
14:34 |
asciilifeform |
'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean |
| |
↖ ↖ ↖ |
14:35 |
asciilifeform |
(circa 2005 ?) |
14:36 |
BingoBoingo |
C == Portable language that is dangerous because it offers too many points of failure, Java ==Portable language that places points of failure in the runtime to avoid C's points of failure |
14:37 |
Apocalyptic |
C is raw power, it's dangerous if you don't really know what you're doing |
14:37 |
asciilifeform |
they give plastic scissors to grade school students, too. - but not shoemakers. not yet. |
14:38 |
asciilifeform |
also funny how the two 'philosophies' can co-exist in one school. we had an 'operating systems' class. C, naturally. about six people remained to take final exam. |
14:39 |
asciilifeform |
(from, if i recall, 40) |
14:41 |
Naphex |
i don't have anything against C |
14:41 |
Naphex |
just wouldn't use it for a big project involving 4+ programmers in a usual work day |
14:42 |
Naphex |
every |
14:42 |
jborkl |
mircea_popescu <- finally happy with this result http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140415_B5_XR9/ |
14:42 |
asciilifeform |
there is really no reason to still be using CPU archs without bounds checking, hardware-enforced types, mechanical garbage collection, etc. |
14:42 |
asciilifeform |
i sorta have a blog about this. |
14:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Indeed |
14:44 |
mike_c |
hardware garbage collection? what arch does that? |
14:44 |
pankkake |
was going to ask that |
14:44 |
pankkake |
or is it possible? |
14:45 |
jurov |
iirc lisp machines had no addressable memory, only stack |
14:45 |
jurov |
no heap = no garbage colletion |
14:45 |
jurov |
*had -> exposed |
14:48 |
mike_c |
so i dump a 5mb buffer on the stack? |
14:49 |
mike_c |
is lisp functional? this seems odd. |
14:59 |
artifexd |
jborkl: Dude! That is a seriously massive improvement! |
15:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Cool, I don't suck much either http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140415_DA_YCD/ |
15:07 |
Naphex |
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/ |
15:09 |
bounce |
bit heavy on the js for a page that doesn't look like it should need any |
15:10 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: I have some basic (google free) analytics stuff. |
15:10 |
Apocalyptic |
Naphex, not surprising |
15:11 |
thestringpuller |
!ticker m s.mpoe |
15:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096134 / 0.00097025 (244990 shares, 235.52 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096606 / 0.00101 (3233012 shares, 3,123.30 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093014 / 0.00101 (22748973 shares, 21,159.92 BTC) |
15:11 |
Apocalyptic |
"but they said they are an industry-grade exchange !" |
15:11 |
jborkl |
artifexd ty - I am using a js cache on the server |
15:11 |
jborkl |
so might be why it looks heavy idk have not gotten that far yet |
15:11 |
bounce |
google isn't exactly parsimonious with client cycles. |
15:13 |
Naphex |
their response http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/cgt6xs5 :) |
15:16 |
bounce |
pretty speedy response at least. but how the fsck do you fail to account for p/l on a day you "restart your systems"? what're they running, batch-only dinosaurs? |
15:17 |
Apocalyptic |
"Part of the gains or losses for that day are lost" is this acceptable ? |
15:18 |
bounce |
I'd say no, but I'm no accountant. |
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~ 42 minutes ~ |
16:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.17320895 BTC to 13`595 shares, 23341 satoshi per share |
16:01 |
fluffypony |
http://bgr.com/2014/04/15/galaxy-s5s-fingerprint-scanner-hacked/ |
16:03 |
pankkake |
bio id will always be stupid, why even try |
16:03 |
bounce |
hax! and yet you can see paypal deaffirm their religious beliefs in fingerprint "security". no wonder the hatted bunch keeps on having a field day. |
16:03 |
fluffypony |
pankkake I think it has its place |
16:03 |
fluffypony |
remember that like 90% of the world thinks "password" is an ok password, and "password1234" is secure |
16:03 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: hardware garbage collection? what arch does that << 'scheme-79' chip. |
16:03 |
fluffypony |
"password1234!" is ultra-secure |
16:04 |
pankkake |
maybe for unlocking the phone if it has been unlocked less than an hour ago, but I would never put more trust in it |
16:04 |
fluffypony |
yes |
16:04 |
bounce |
spaceballs. |
16:04 |
fluffypony |
but |
16:04 |
fluffypony |
stuff like TouchID when coupled with iCloud Keychain is awesome for the general populace |
16:04 |
fluffypony |
as it makes drive-by attacks much harder |
16:04 |
fluffypony |
and moves the attack surface from drive-by, remove attacks, to on-device/in-person attacks |
16:04 |
fluffypony |
which are more sophisticated and targeted |
16:05 |
bounce |
why yes, "make believe security" and other snake oil are awesome for the general populace |
16:06 |
fluffypony |
bounce: we're talking about a significant improvement over the current state of affairs, that isn't snake oil |
16:06 |
fluffypony |
unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P |
16:07 |
bounce |
convenient shiny fingerprint pads with pre-supplied fingerprints are of course very well helped when secured by... fingerprints |
16:07 |
fluffypony |
sure, but it requires physical presence |
16:07 |
fluffypony |
you need to physically control the device |
16:08 |
fluffypony |
and unless you know I'm Bob the Billionaire with Billionz in his Bank...why target me? |
16:10 |
bounce |
sure, pickpockets and petty thieves usually prefer billionaires, that's a fact. |
16:12 |
fluffypony |
I don't think there's been a successful attack on TouchID / Samsung's fingerprint login that lifted a fingerprint from the device and used it to unlock it? |
16:13 |
Naphex |
fluffypony: backdoors in phone software ninjaing your accesses?:p |
16:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1770 @ 0.00096649 = 1.7107 BTC [-] {2} |
16:14 |
bounce |
what was that lovely bypass bug in iOS again? |
16:14 |
bounce |
then there's the radio interface side |
16:14 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: yeah but that's a different attack surface entirely, I'm just talking about taking the general security level of the general populace up a notch |
16:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096426 = 4.2427 BTC [-] |
16:15 |
fluffypony |
bounce: I fully agree, but again, we're not talking about sophisticated attacks here |
16:15 |
bounce |
the thing is that this "general populace" includes everyone, which to the fone company certainly includes *you* |
16:15 |
nubbins` |
joecool_ sorry, i generally don't buy |
16:15 |
Apocalyptic |
what's the last word on danny ? |
16:16 |
fluffypony |
bounce: also most of the iOS bypass bugs I've played with have exposed photos, or the dialler, or something...not a complete unmitigated unlock |
16:16 |
fluffypony |
Apocalyptic: this thing - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/ |
16:17 |
bounce |
the only real fix is that we really start thinking about this, and indeed, educate most people --which used to be possible, they learned their letters and numbers too, after all-- instead of just throwing the latest in buzzwordery at it. like "biometrics". |
16:17 |
bounce |
especially since biometrics are fundamentally and fatally flawed |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
"I assure you our system is not fundamentally flawed, there are bugs and we try to find them before the customer." |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
this sounds vaguely bitdaytradesque |
16:18 |
Apocalyptic |
ty fluffypony |
16:18 |
Naphex |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/22/iphone_5_touchid_broken_by_chaos_computer_club/ back in '13 |
16:18 |
bounce |
it's the industry standard, with pentesting and other such "due diligence" |
16:18 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony "password1234!" is ultra-secure << remember the 88seals88 and pokerseals etc pws ? |
16:19 |
fluffypony |
lol yeah |
16:19 |
kakobrekla |
88seals88 ? |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
<fluffypony> unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P << i just belive everyone who isn't is going to be relegated to the salt mines. why should every human qualify as a "user" ? |
16:19 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: http://thehackernews.com/2013/12/SealsWithClubs-bitcoin-poker-hacked-password-dump_20.html |
16:19 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: so survival of the secure-ist? |
16:19 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
16:20 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/15/a-better-toy-computer-vaxberry-pie/ |
16:20 |
mircea_popescu |
whosoever can not use a computer, should not be using computers. |
16:20 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: agreed. is this about the time I self-identify as a bitcoin-assets cultist? |
16:20 |
fluffypony |
cultee? |
16:20 |
kakobrekla |
jesus fuuck 42k members? |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
perhaps ? |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
but you know... what now, make books that even people who won't learn the alphabet can read ? |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
make a math that doesn't need numbers ? |
16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
enough i say. |
16:22 |
fluffypony |
maybe there should be a test |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce tbh biometrics was a thing of the 70s i thought. pretty much all sf of that decade had it, and by 90s it was in every action movie out there. |
16:22 |
bounce |
bingoboingo: later model MIPS in new process might be interesting too |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla yeah that was actually a pw. |
16:22 |
fluffypony |
it could start with the difference between your and you're, than and then, and (to spite me) principal and principle:-P |
16:22 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony there is a test. |
16:23 |
Apocalyptic |
"I have a family funeral to attend." #1 BS excuse |
16:23 |
Apocalyptic |
seriously the guy isn't even trying to sound legit |
16:23 |
bounce |
oh, you want 32bit. hm. how about Z80000 for something nicely obscure? maybe moto 88k? |
16:23 |
kakobrekla |
it was the hamster. |
16:23 |
fluffypony |
Apocalyptic: I always ask if I can go along to provide support :) |
16:24 |
kakobrekla |
and if he says yes? |
16:24 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: Sure but I dunno what a MIPs cooks as. A Vax though is a noble animal that has the potential for a delicious meat pie. Also just the sound of Vaxberry Pie works. |
16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
'Mass abduction' at #Nigeria school- about 100 girls, likely by Boko Haram |
16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
they're in for some fun... |
16:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27037181 |
16:24 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: then you go along |
16:25 |
fluffypony |
to provide support |
16:25 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: A big point is that OpenBSD is already on Vax working well, and they are very unlikely to abandon it. |
16:25 |
fluffypony |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/cgt568i?context=4 |
16:25 |
fluffypony |
"Yes I am Mirceau Popescu soon to be extradited to the USSA" |
16:25 |
kakobrekla |
even its in zimbabwe, fluffypony? |
16:25 |
kakobrekla |
even if* |
16:26 |
Apocalyptic |
"Mirceau" again |
16:26 |
bounce |
apparently biometrics stays afloat on the pretty pix in teh moveez, for if you spend but a few seconds thinking about it, it becomes obvious that it cannot be a good fit for the purpose |
16:26 |
Apocalyptic |
"The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief" |
16:26 |
Apocalyptic |
guy has a point |
16:27 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: no, only if it's local, I'm assuming this isn't someone asking to go on an overseas holid^z^z^z^z family emergency |
16:27 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic except it works like this : scammers love to mention their kids/wives (anyone recall patrick harnett ?) |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
for many reasons, part of which being that the emotional fuckwits who "invest" with them react to such |
16:28 |
Apocalyptic |
I see |
16:28 |
pankkake |
interesting |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
but a bigger part of which being that when they go to shit, they can try to divert the discussion on unrelated emo topicsa |
16:28 |
mircea_popescu |
as if anyone gives a shit if danny brewster's daughter ends up in a snuff video or in cypriots have talent |
16:28 |
Anduck |
!up chairman_meow |
16:28 |
assbot |
Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes. |
16:29 |
Apocalyptic |
does he even have one ? |
16:29 |
chairman_meow |
thanks |
16:29 |
Anduck |
chairman_meow: now you can ask more info from people here who may know how it works |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
but no, let's discuss nonsense instead of how fuckwit danny failed to enter the wot, then failed to heed when mp said get in the wot or i'll fuck you up, then got fucked up. |
16:29 |
Anduck |
you have 30 minutes |
16:29 |
chairman_meow |
Hello |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
hi. |
16:29 |
chairman_meow |
assbot isnt working properly. I already ident'ed with gribble. I PM'ed !up to assbot, but it's failing |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
chairman_meow you have to be in its trust chain. |
16:30 |
chairman_meow |
it tells me "You must auth with gribble first." |
16:30 |
Apocalyptic |
;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow |
16:30 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chairman_meow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chairman_meow | Rated since: never |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow |
16:30 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chairman_meow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chairman_meow | Rated since: never |
16:30 |
Apocalyptic |
damn you mircea |
16:30 |
chairman_meow |
;;ident |
16:30 |
gribble |
CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
16:30 |
Apocalyptic |
chairman_meow, it's working as intended |
16:30 |
jurov |
;;gettrust assbot paulo_ |
16:30 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user paulo_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=paulo_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=paulo_ | Rated since: Sun Apr 1 16:46:37 2012 |
16:30 |
Anduck |
Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu: if it works correctly, then the message is wrong. "You must auth with gribble first." |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe kakobrekla can be arsed to make special error messages for each case. or maybe not. ha-ha! |
16:31 |
pankkake |
I have compiled sudo with the "offensive" USE flag. when my password is wrong, I get random insults |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
"If individuals admit guilt & reach civil settlement w/ govt, they can't deduct costs from tax returns. Companies can" << true, and pretty epic |
16:32 |
chairman_meow |
so.. I need a trust connection to assbot? |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
you need a rating from someone assbot trusts. |
16:32 |
chairman_meow |
!jd |
16:32 |
assbot |
Just-Dice stat: 15899 BTC profit, 33.1k BTC invested, 1044.40 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
there's your list |
16:33 |
BingoBoingo |
chairman_meow: What do you do? |
16:33 |
bounce |
such not authenticated |
16:33 |
Anduck |
hehe |
16:33 |
BingoBoingo |
!up chairman_meow |
16:33 |
assbot |
Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes. |
16:34 |
kakobrekla |
special message for what |
16:34 |
chairman_meow |
so.. what to do now heh |
16:34 |
chairman_meow |
I need to trade with one of these guys? |
16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla apparently if id'd but untrusted guy pms assbot he gets the same message as if he weren't id'd. |
16:35 |
kakobrekla |
impossibru |
16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
well at least it's what the guy claims. |
16:35 |
Naphex |
nah you get you need wot>0 |
16:35 |
Naphex |
i can verify |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ah ? ok then! |
16:36 |
Anduck |
mircea_popescu: i've been wondering why do you not use bitcointalk forums? |
16:36 |
Anduck |
and why doesnt your pr use irc??? |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
because i don't associate with idiots. |
16:36 |
Apocalyptic |
Anduck, really ? |
16:36 |
Anduck |
yes really |
16:36 |
Apocalyptic |
(first question) |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
because what use would she be if i;m here ? |
16:37 |
Anduck |
well why is his pr then using bitcointalk :D |
16:37 |
chairman_meow |
maybe assbot is sending to gribble ";;ident chairman_meow" |
16:37 |
Apocalyptic |
cause she was paid to |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
i spent some money trying to educate a bunch of idiots. |
16:37 |
chairman_meow |
;;ident chairman_meow |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
it benefited a few. |
16:37 |
gribble |
CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None |
16:37 |
BingoBoingo |
chairman_meow: Well what you do affects how you get trust |
16:37 |
bounce |
chairman_meow: trade, impress, get chummy with, con, bribe, blackmail, what-have-you. |
16:37 |
chairman_meow |
oh wait, nevermind that was wrong |
16:38 |
chairman_meow |
why the change of rules for bitcoin-assets? |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
chairman_meow read the logs for the 10th, iirc. |
16:39 |
Anduck |
someone with assbot trust now needs to rate him |
16:39 |
mike_c |
or this: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ |
16:39 |
Anduck |
so he can up himself |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/#c2784 teh ppl doth protest |
16:40 |
chairman_meow |
ok, you can just let me be unvoiced now. I guess I'll eventually get that trade |
16:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Well I wouldn't be averse to offering trust for a small trade if I knew what the person's shtick is |
16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda curious what that guy that was going to do the math to show how weight is not sharp enough comes up with. |
16:40 |
BingoBoingo |
!up chairman_meow |
16:40 |
assbot |
Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes. |
16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
chairman_meow start with simpler stuff. what do you do ? |
16:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Not necessary monetary, quid pro quo works |
16:41 |
chairman_meow |
mircea_popescu: well I invest in just-dice |
16:41 |
chairman_meow |
I don't really do much |
16:41 |
chairman_meow |
sometimes dogecoins |
16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
how much of their 10k is you ? |
16:41 |
Anduck |
how is that relevant |
16:42 |
Apocalyptic |
Anduck, that's probably the extent of his involvement with bitcoin |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
because if he comes back with something like 10% i'll challenge him to prove it, after which rate him. |
16:42 |
Apocalyptic |
given he mentionned that as the #1 thing |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise, anyone can invest a bitcent anywhere, hardly a qualifier. |
16:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096236 = 7.2177 BTC [-] {2} |
16:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03000101 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2} |
16:42 |
Anduck |
sure |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
http://youngcons.com/this-actually-happened-irs-sent-a-five-year-old-boy-a-letter-about-his-taxes-his-response-is-hilarious/ << great for a lol, even if obviously fake. |
16:43 |
chairman_meow |
I haven't invested much. it's a small amount. I'm looking for more returns on bitcoin price swings |
16:43 |
chairman_meow |
so... I guess I don't really need access to this channel |
16:43 |
bounce |
;;rate naphex 1 btcxchange.ro, grilled with cheese |
16:43 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user naphex has been recorded. |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
well if you got something materially relevant you can always get someone to up you, so, no need to panic |
16:46 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/sec-obtaining-emails-without-warrant-or-not |
16:46 |
fluffypony |
;;rate Naphex 1 if btcxchange.ro steals your money this guy will personally sort you out |
16:46 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded. |
16:46 |
mircea_popescu |
herp. |
16:46 |
Naphex |
hehe thanks for the rate ^^ |
16:47 |
mircea_popescu |
!up LorenzoMoney |
16:47 |
assbot |
Voicing LorenzoMoney for 30 minutes. |
16:51 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, this Baron thing is hard. Especially when it comes to considering what may be worthy of accepting someone as a Ridder or Jonhkeer |
16:52 |
chairman_meow |
hmmm I'm looking at the logs |
16:52 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: vaxberry pie << pick up fpga dev board on ebay. |
16:52 |
chairman_meow |
I can't seems to find out why the rules changed |
16:52 |
chairman_meow |
*seem |
16:52 |
fluffypony |
chairman_meow: mutual consent |
16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo indeed. it should be. |
16:52 |
fluffypony |
groupthink |
16:52 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: maximally evil closed build chain, but you can actually specify a circuit, e.g. pdp-11. |
16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
scientologee! |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
flying spaghetti monsterism |
16:53 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: example, http://www.heeltoe.com/download/pdp11/README.html |
16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah we kinda need a mascot or something don't we. |
16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
the holy sharpie in the worldy pooper ? |
16:54 |
fluffypony |
Buttcoins Inc? |
16:54 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Well I was more imagining what it would take for a Rasberry Pi to truly be a TI-89 surrogate than imagining a project for myself in the near future. |
16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe a giant soldering iron. |
16:55 |
asciilifeform |
rectothermcoin. |
16:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Where is nubbins` to do this art |
16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/n/antex-st4-stand_1.png |
16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
god i love that shape |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i've one quite like this, here. |
16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
do you compulsively play with the support ? |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
how'd you guess. |
16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
because it's quite clearly what it's for. |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
geek titties. |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
sproing, sprooing. |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
rectothermicon |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
like the necronomicon, only better. |
16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
so a bunch of romanians found an ancient article in which i sliced a rabbit and are having aneurisms all over my comment section. kinda funnay to watch. |
16:58 |
Apocalyptic |
heh |
16:58 |
asciilifeform |
wait people don't eat those in ro? |
16:59 |
jborkl |
my WOT nick is jborkl_ and the nick I use is jborkl - you have to change to jborkl_ with gribble auth with assbot then /nick jborkl |
16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform sure. |
16:59 |
asciilifeform |
over here, they can only be had in korean markets, because americans are weirdos |
16:59 |
jborkl |
that is why his did not work |
16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a thin sliver of romanians who wannabe us hipster liberals. |
16:59 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Probably an East Coast thing. No serious problem finding them here. |
16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like... twice over the pretense |
17:00 |
asciilifeform |
i've often wondered if the local busybodies would go apeshit if one were to set up a snare. |
17:00 |
paulo_ |
I can confirm jborkl. using an IRC nick different from WOT nick confuses assbot |
17:00 |
asciilifeform |
(rabbit is a common garden pest here) |
17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform only one way to find out. |
17:01 |
Anduck |
!up chairman_meow |
17:01 |
assbot |
Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes. |
17:01 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I dunno about in your location, but here a license is nominally required. Much as for fishing. |
17:01 |
Anduck |
:) |
17:01 |
jborkl |
ok I did my good deed for the year - time to relax |
17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
the difference of course being i can slaughter one and post it on my blog, daring the "pet police" to do anything, |
17:01 |
asciilifeform |
my new pad, as of next month, has a yard. so i shall find out. |
17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
whereas you'd prolly end up in a holding cell |
17:02 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.alpharubicon.com/kids/urbanrabbitsdc.htm |
17:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Maybe not? |
17:02 |
asciilifeform |
i know a fellow, not far from where i live, with a secret chicken coup |
17:02 |
asciilifeform |
*coop |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
what's this, leningrad ? |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
gringograd |
17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
in 1987 teh police had bucharest surrounded, checking all inbound car traffic to make sure nobody's sneaking any potatoes into town. |
17:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0009617 = 7.0204 BTC [-] {2} |
17:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC |
17:04 |
thestringpuller |
!ticker m s.mpoe |
17:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096183 / 0.00097025 (241260 shares, 232.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096403 / 0.00100381 (3106224 shares, 2,994.50 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093026 / 0.00101 (22725656 shares, 21,140.85 BTC) |
17:04 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea, why would they do that ? |
17:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: grew the delicious beast yourself, or caught in the wild? |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
i just bought it |
17:05 |
asciilifeform |
neato |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic because insane, on the first level. |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
some sort of "combatting black market" or w/e. |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/mission-yuppie-eradication-project.jpg |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
dude... and this is STILL not enough reason to just send the national guard and beat anyone not rich into a pulp ? |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
da fuck already. |
17:06 |
asciilifeform |
satan preserve us. the 'google bus' folks again?! |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
aye. |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
you;'ll have to excuse me, i'm indulging a bottle of cognac and my inclination to be wtf'd. |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
to quote the world's foremost "yuppie scum", one vincent vega : |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Lance: Still got your Malibu? |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Vincent: Aw, man. You know what some fucker did the other day? |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Lance: What? |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Vincent: Fucking keyed it. |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Lance: Oh, man, that's fucked up. |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Vincent: Tell me about it. I had it in storage for three years, it was out for five days and some dickless piece of shit fucked with it. |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Lance: They should be fucking killed. No trial, no jury, straight to execution. |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it. |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Lance: What a fucker! |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
Vincent: What's more chickenshit than fucking with a man's automobile? I mean, don't fuck with another man's vehicle. |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
Lance: You don't do it. |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
Vincent: It's just against the rules. |
17:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2} |
17:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0319983 = 0.192 BTC [+] {3} |
17:11 |
Naphex |
its true :) |
17:13 |
asciilifeform |
if the 'they're bidding up all housing' thing were true, the masters would have problems hiring servants. are they? |
17:13 |
asciilifeform |
or do the servants simply take six buses to the manor and back? |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody has any trouble hiring anyone. |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
if they can agree on salary control measures, clearly they're overstaffed. |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
they pretend like they're not, for public consumption, and to get more clueless kids on the one track path that then leads them to become prostitu uh i mean entrpereneurs |
17:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00096045 = 9.4124 BTC [-] {4} |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but what is and what's said to be are wildly distinct matters in byzantium |
17:17 |
bounce |
don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was. |
17:17 |
asciilifeform |
paging herr naggum! |
17:17 |
asciilifeform |
'labor unions arose when people had gotten a taste of a different lifestyle and were willing to pay a lot more for their basic livelihood and had gotten into a fix they couldn't get out of -- because they had accepted the unacceptable to begin with. accepting something you have to form a labor union to fight after the fact only tells me that people were acting against their own best (or even good) int |
17:17 |
asciilifeform |
erests for a long time. I don't see any rational, coherent explanation for this sort of behavior in humans, but it's all over the place.' |
17:17 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144868668727852@naggum.no.html |
17:18 |
Apocalyptic |
<bounce> don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was. // it was indeed right under the roof, in France at least |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce in a civilise country, yes. |
17:19 |
bounce |
hot in summer, cold in winter. freezing hell when the wind's just wrong. such fun. |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
in the united states of africa, apparently they've not figured this out. |
17:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7030 @ 0.00096376 = 6.7752 BTC [+] |
17:20 |
asciilifeform |
in usa, they broke the mechanism that separates the usefully servile class from 'lumpens.' sort of like growing edible mushrooms in a bathroom infested by mold, because, hey, you can. |
17:20 |
asciilifeform |
and so, the 'masters' demand radical geographic separation. |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=23892 |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile in some other equally arid land |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform pretty much, yes. |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, this is why 'they import fresh mexicans,' etc. |
17:24 |
nubbins` |
BingoBoingo: nubbins` is balls-deep in printing, that's where ;( |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"The original bullhocky story about the cattle endangering desert tortoises fell apart when the truth was discovered that only recently the BLM had gerrymandered the boundaries of endangered habitat and created a mitigation area needed to replace habitat where Harry ReidÂ’s son and a Chinese energy company planned to build a 5 billion dollar solar energy project." |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
ahem. |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
the 2nd generation lumpenizes, and can't be used. |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
this is more or less an open secret here. |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
harry reid, the guy who delivered congress to obama, right ? |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
5bn seems kinda skimpy. |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
i;d have asked for more. |
17:25 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 5 == initial quote. traditionally, gov. payola contracts have overrun, renewal, etc. provisions. add a zero. |
17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
more like it. |
17:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00015875 = 0.635 BTC [-] {6} |
17:34 |
Naphex |
gn all o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se33Fv_sEEA |
17:34 |
Naphex |
!down |
17:34 |
assbot |
Need a nickname, Naphex. |
17:36 |
nubbins` |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg6235784#msg6235784 |
17:36 |
nubbins` |
lel |
17:36 |
nubbins` |
DrGreg-PR |
17:41 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/15/682084.html |
17:41 |
asciilifeform |
translation: cia director j. brenna is in kiev. supervising search for... 20 'lost' blackwater men. |
17:41 |
asciilifeform |
*brennan |
17:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00096954 = 10.7134 BTC [+] {2} |
17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
why is he not @lubyanka then |
17:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 245 @ 0.50190775 = 122.9674 BTC [-] {12} |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
mega-lol: |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=122052 |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
should have dropped 'paintballs' or the like. |
17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
"This provocative and unprofessional Russian action" |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao this "unprofessional" business has pretty much replaced "asshole" in us office drones parlance hasn't it |
17:59 |
benkay |
what's the military context that makes that kind of behavior assholery? |
17:59 |
benkay |
context/peer behavior expectations |
17:59 |
benkay |
assuming peers etc |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
“The Donald Cook is more than capable of defending itself against two Su-24s,” the colonel said. |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder. |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i doubt there exists a us ship that actually can defend itself against modernised su's, but hey. |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
what do i know. |
18:01 |
benkay |
or the impending chinese drone swarms |
18:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.bitundo.com/ |
18:02 |
pankkake |
nice, I would have liked that a year ago (though I eventually recovered my coins) |
18:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
this schedule web design is horrible |
18:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://bitcoin2014.com/ |
18:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
pastels |
18:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
and annoying View More buttons |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
Arleigh Burke-class. that's a... radar ship. derp. |
18:04 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Can someone explain this to me. Purchase of 382 Btc at 505, followed by 20 btc at 500. Was the first purchase a market buy? |
18:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
Peter Vehehe is now on the speaker list for the event! |
18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically... this is a pool to doublespend. |
18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
who made it, gmaxwell ? |
18:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
dunno who made it |
18:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
its got mentions on yc |
18:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
fwiw... |
18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
looky, gavin still lead bla bla. not so hip on keeping updated huh. |
18:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1220 @ 0.00096816 = 1.1812 BTC [-] |
18:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.coinlab.com/ |
18:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
nice website |
18:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, Meni Rosenfeld is a speaker and/or panelist |
18:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
Canadia Senate Hearing on Cryptocurrency https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5iAj7-W_lk |
18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
lol ok ok. |
18:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
400 friggin euros for this conference |
18:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
fukn scammors |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
<samantix> hi i was directed to you regarding a ban on bitcoin-pricetalk |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
which one of you's been tormenting random noobs ? |
18:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
18:09 |
Apocalyptic |
haha |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
chairman_meow tsk. |
18:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49676939 BTC [-] |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
guy's very polite and everything. i had no idea that chan even exists |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
!up samantix |
18:10 |
assbot |
Voicing samantix for 30 minutes. |
18:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49833587 = 1.495 BTC [+] {3} |
18:11 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea_popescu, it's the cesspool of irc |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
lol 600 pplz, and goin' strong. mkay. |
18:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-] |
18:12 |
samantix |
thanks mircea_popescu |
18:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-] |
18:13 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea, or reddit in another terms |
18:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000002 BTC [-] |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
well cool. |
18:20 |
mike_c |
i think this bet was resolved incorrectly. http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/ |
18:20 |
mike_c |
because clearly the price *shouldn't* have dropped below 400. |
18:21 |
mike_c |
scam site is scam. |
18:22 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Lol |
18:22 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
I bet on yes for one that touched exactly 400.00 |
18:23 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Made me rethink my whole theory on psychological barriers |
18:23 |
mike_c |
bah. next you'll rethink your theory on technical analysis because head & shoulders. |
18:25 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
I'm most definitely not a TA junkie |
18:25 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Or "Chartist" as my brother call them |
18:34 |
artifexd |
It would be nice to be able to retroactively !b a part of the log. The conversation with Naphex about 5 hours ago was pretty interesting. |
18:35 |
benkay |
artifexd: bash.bitcoin-assets.com |
18:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00078899 = 0.1578 BTC [+] |
18:35 |
pankkake |
you can http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?add |
18:35 |
benkay |
;;ticker |
18:35 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.95, Best ask: 508.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 509.0, 24 hour volume: 29789.86967812, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832 |
18:35 |
artifexd |
Most sweet |
18:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00080077 = 0.2514 BTC [+] |
18:37 |
mike_c |
is there a time decay on bash points? |
18:37 |
benkay |
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#tgSzm1g10zm2g25zvzl |
18:39 |
mike_c |
i miss vexual :) http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=30 |
18:41 |
asciilifeform |
;;seen vexual |
18:41 |
gribble |
vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat |
18:42 |
benkay |
mike_c: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=81 |
18:42 |
mike_c |
yeah, just read that one too. another classic. |
18:42 |
benkay |
http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=94 << danielpbarron you too buddy |
18:43 |
benkay |
mike_c: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=30 |
18:43 |
benkay |
now i miss vexual too |
18:44 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
We just did #30.... |
18:44 |
benkay |
but not as much as i miss tiberius and minersdidit |
18:44 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Minersdidit. Oh my gosh |
18:44 |
benkay |
NO WE DIDN'T GOSH |
18:44 |
mike_c |
minersdidit could never fill 100 lines by himself with no encouragement like vex could when sloshed. |
18:45 |
benkay |
that's not why minersdidit was fantastic |
18:45 |
benkay |
people round here don't appreciate quality trolling |
18:45 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Was he trolling though? Still not sure |
18:46 |
Apocalyptic |
that's the thing about great trolls |
18:46 |
Apocalyptic |
you are never sure |
18:46 |
benkay |
unless you've met 'em before. |
18:46 |
artifexd |
;;gettrust assbot Vexual |
18:46 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never |
18:47 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
So was vexual a troll or just funny? |
18:48 |
pankkake |
;;rate Vexual 1 |
18:48 |
gribble |
Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. |
18:48 |
pankkake |
:( |
18:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.0009663 = 1.8563 BTC [-] {2} |
18:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1379 @ 0.00097038 = 1.3382 BTC [+] |
18:52 |
BingoBoingo |
!up samantix |
18:52 |
assbot |
Voicing samantix for 30 minutes. |
18:52 |
artifexd |
Vexual, get in the wot already |
18:53 |
BingoBoingo |
;ticker |
18:53 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker |
18:53 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.03, Best ask: 514.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 514.82, 24 hour volume: 30096.02063816, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832 |
18:54 |
benkay |
samantix: what's happening? |
18:54 |
BingoBoingo |
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/truecrypt-audit-finds-no-evidence-of-backdoors-or-malicious-code/ |
18:55 |
dexX7 |
is the blockchain.info guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception -> https://blockchain.info/de/block-index/383285/00000000000000004014a2cb13c0760539b9a353c8f4934b878446fbd8ee4932 |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c wait wut |
18:55 |
mike_c |
hm? |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot vexual |
18:56 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=vexual | Rated since: never |
18:56 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Huh? |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c the 400 bet. at first i thought you hjad a legit complaint |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
but no! SCAM COMPLAINT |
18:57 |
joecool |
;;gettrust mircea_popescu |
18:57 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user joecool to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 |
18:57 |
mike_c |
of course the owners of the site would say that. |
18:57 |
pankkake |
BitBet: The Customer is Always Wrong |
18:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Well as Bitcoin continues to detach from fiat, bets pegged to fiat exchanges get moar dangerous |
18:58 |
mike_c |
i've probably lost 12,482 bets in my life, but for some reason that one stung. i was so sure! |
18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell keonne <dexX7> is the blockchain.info guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception -> https://blockchain.info/de/block-index/383285/00000000000000004014a2cb13c0760539b9a353c8f4934b878446fbd8ee4932 |
18:58 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c im not sure i made 1k bets |
18:58 |
mike_c |
you mean this month? |
18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
in my lyf! |
18:59 |
mike_c |
this from the guy who floated a bajillion btc options over the last two years :) |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
joecool you trust all the oldschool doods. madscientist ?! |
19:00 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
What does float a btc mean |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c options ain't bets :D |
19:00 |
Apocalyptic |
they are only if you don't hedge them |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
haven't seen cory in like 4ever eithert |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen cory |
19:00 |
gribble |
cory was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Cory> \o |
19:01 |
joecool |
mircea_popescu: believe it or not i've been in wot for a long time |
19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
i believe it hehe |
19:02 |
joecool |
;;gpg info joecool |
19:02 |
gribble |
User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Tue Apr 15 16:36:53 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool . |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
o you were here befoe coinpal closed huh |
19:03 |
pankkake |
http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x89F5D5027E9FE55B35696F683FC4656BE45D6C89 oh, it's THAT guy |
19:03 |
joecool |
yeah i think that was my first wot rating |
19:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9401 @ 0.00097038 = 9.1225 BTC [+] {2} |
19:04 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Hahaha are you fcking serious |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
!up frank1e |
19:07 |
assbot |
Voicing frank1e for 30 minutes. |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
!up BigBitz |
19:08 |
assbot |
Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes. |
19:08 |
BigBitz |
thanks mircea_popescu :) |
19:08 |
asciilifeform |
https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
yw |
19:08 |
joecool |
;;rated BigBitz |
19:08 |
gribble |
You rated user BigBitz on Mon Dec 2 11:10:58 2013, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: gives me the worst rates ever ಠ_ಠand makes me hate myself, owes me beer, but he can be trusted to send a couple g's USD. |
19:08 |
asciilifeform |
anyone else get something bizarre? |
19:08 |
BigBitz |
joecool <3 |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
did i get defaced ? |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
ssl weirdness |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
load specifically 'https' |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ya ? |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
i'm getting a cert signed by 'wikipedia' |
19:09 |
Apocalyptic |
asciilifeform, huh |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha what |
19:09 |
joecool |
mircea_popescu: looks like you got bald |
19:09 |
Apocalyptic |
i just loaded https |
19:09 |
Apocalyptic |
no certificate |
19:09 |
joecool |
not defaced |
19:10 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
It loaded fine for me |
19:10 |
BigBitz |
You're getting a Wikipedia Cert. Nice. |
19:10 |
Apocalyptic |
*no wikipedia certificate |
19:10 |
BigBitz |
I get the Twitter cert. |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
twitter.com, Twitter, Inc. VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL CA, VeriSign, Inc. 05/10/2016 12:59:00 AM GMT TLS v1.2 128 bit ARC4 (2048 bit RSA/SHA) |
19:10 |
pankkake |
I get a cert change, but still twatter http://i.imgur.com/2pK8Pmb.png |
19:10 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Anyone hear any Omar about alleged fighter plane attack? |
19:10 |
* |
asciilifeform to snoop on my fiber: stay classy |
19:10 |
Apocalyptic |
83 FE F4 D8 26 55 EC 82 A9 E1 D7 A9 76 70 0B 43 |
19:10 |
Apocalyptic |
3E 9B 38 6D FA 71 8F 20 2A 5B 6C BF 91 ED 9F 92 |
19:10 |
Apocalyptic |
issued by Verisign class 3 |
19:10 |
BingoBoingo |
OMG WIKIPEDIA NSA haxors targeting asciilifeform |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo wikipedia certs are a good avenue of attack because most neckbeards have it whitelisted |
19:11 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Indeed. |
19:11 |
BigBitz |
neckbeards ftw. |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
these folks could just drive fifteen minutes with a wagen and a 'troika', half hour for tribunal and bullet. but no, they gotta fuck with people instead. |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i think you have no representation of costs. |
19:12 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: You forget that for some 1984 is a manual |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform pix ? |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
also, is it twitter generally ? does it do the same off a phone ? |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
other q's. |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
lol - it's gone away. |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps browser bug |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, right. this happens. |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
next time screenshot |
19:14 |
thestringpuller |
$depth mpoe |
19:14 |
asciilifeform |
promise. |
19:14 |
mpexbot |
thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['2899 @ 0.00097198', '5021 @ 0.00096', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '5850 @ 0.0009594', '2900 @ 0.00095924'] |
19:14 |
mpexbot |
thestringpuller: Asks: ['5150 @ 0.00097202', '9450 @ 0.00097276', '1900 @ 0.00097318', '8950 @ 0.00097382', '12566 @ 0.00097408'] |
19:15 |
thestringpuller |
that's a nice bot, did smickles make that? or what's the story behind it... |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
yep he did. |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
sadly he's on maternity leave. |
19:16 |
pankkake |
I was going to link https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/https-everywhere-decentralized-ssl-observatory which gave me a SSL Error, funnily enough (if you have it, disable OSCP whatever) |
19:17 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Someone give me a quick lesson in stats |
19:18 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1? |
19:18 |
thestringpuller |
he's on maternity leave << hoorah for children. they grow up so fast... |
19:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;ticker |
19:20 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 517.0, Best ask: 519.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.95000, Last trade: 517.0, 24 hour volume: 31653.39816891, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 520.05, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832 |
19:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
was like 340 2 days ago? |
19:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
i <3 btc |
19:21 |
joecool |
sale's over |
19:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm uncertain about that |
19:23 |
BingoBoingo |
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/us-airways-tweets-out-photo-of-model-airplane-in-womans-1563098531/1563579181/+Tom_Ley |
19:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
not sure if there's enough new money coming in yet to float the price |
19:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
traders keep scalping each other over and over, lowering the ceiling |
19:24 |
thestringpuller |
http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ <- i wonder if these bets create a feed back loop the more money that goes in |
19:24 |
thestringpuller |
i want to see a kansas city style upset |
19:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
seems making bitbets is the best way to get the price to go where you want! |
19:25 |
thestringpuller |
or to detect your price |
19:25 |
kakobrekla |
TestingUnoDosTre no its random. |
19:25 |
BingoBoingo |
Inb4 BTC $25 by July |
19:25 |
thestringpuller |
good way to base insurance prices |
19:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
$25, no way |
19:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
small chance we could test $300 tho |
19:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225 @ 0.00097202 = 0.2187 BTC [+] |
19:26 |
thestringpuller |
wow. phenomenal... |
19:28 |
benkay |
bitbet ate the options market. |
19:30 |
thestringpuller |
^^^ |
19:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
there it is! |
19:30 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Bitbet is the options market now |
19:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;ticker |
19:31 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.35, Best ask: 525.79, Bid-ask spread: 3.44000, Last trade: 526.9, 24 hour volume: 32271.21581885, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 527.27, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832 |
19:31 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Uruguay baby |
19:31 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Yyyyyah |
19:31 |
thestringpuller |
i wonder how many late leeches got jacked |
19:31 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
I didn't this time: ) |
19:32 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Got in last block luckily. That's why I was asking about hashing |
19:32 |
thestringpuller |
why not buy the underlying asset and zoidberg? |
19:34 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
And zoidberg? |
19:36 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
They better close the bet fast and reap some profit for the month |
19:37 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg |
19:37 |
nubbins` |
i fucking love my job |
19:37 |
BingoBoingo |
nubbins`: Does that mean mascot soon? |
19:38 |
nubbins` |
i didn't quite get the gist of the mascot |
19:38 |
nubbins` |
somebody with a soldering iron up their ass? |
19:38 |
thestringpuller |
is that screen printed? |
19:38 |
nubbins` |
yep |
19:39 |
nubbins` |
3-color print on red kraft paper |
19:39 |
BingoBoingo |
nubbins`: I think people were leaning towards this http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/n/antex-st4-stand_1.png |
19:40 |
nubbins` |
that's the -assets mascot? :/ |
19:40 |
nubbins` |
i mean, nice stand, but... |
19:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Just don't turn it into something like all Chicago cubs like this http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oNlxSX0P--/19cgaod16qt14jpg.jpg |
19:41 |
mike_c |
i can't unsee that. |
19:42 |
nubbins` |
:( |
19:45 |
mircea_popescu |
<TestingUnoDosTre> If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1? << no. |
19:46 |
thestringpuller |
speaking of |
19:46 |
thestringpuller |
;;tslb |
19:46 |
gribble |
Time since last block: 5 minutes and 38 seconds |
19:46 |
thestringpuller |
not_bad.jpg |
19:47 |
mike_c |
ok, two people said no.. there is a small better chance they find it in the next minute after failing for 36 minutes. the search space has been reduced. |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
you just add nonce anyway |
19:48 |
mike_c |
right, but instead of having a 1 in 1eBigNumber chance, they have a 1 in (1eBigNumber - attempts) chance |
19:48 |
thestringpuller |
mike_c: more tx's may come into the node which changes the hash... |
19:48 |
pankkake |
is it actually worth it to record what was tested? wouldn't pools share it if it was? |
19:49 |
mike_c |
thestringpuller: that is a good point. |
19:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
of course it's more likely |
19:50 |
mike_c |
unless what thestringpuller said. |
19:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's more likely than if they weren't hashing at all, right? |
19:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
so there. |
19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves notrly lol |
19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303887804579504023630058640-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNTExNDUyWj |
19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
we were just talkin'... |
19:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
china be manipulatin! |
19:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
maniputin |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSLoPdCQAAKJLA.jpg |
19:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
manililliputian |
19:56 |
pankkake |
pos? |
19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bgr.com/2014/04/15/galaxy-s5s-fingerprint-scanner-hacked/ << bounce fluffypony asciilifeform and whoever else was diss-cussin' bio. |
19:57 |
Apocalyptic |
pankkake, proof of stake I assume |
19:57 |
pankkake |
then I don't really get it |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
proof of stake |
19:57 |
pankkake |
I guess you get worthess stuff generated by your worthless stuff |
19:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00097223 = 7.0001 BTC [+] {3} |
19:58 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
wan't that already posted? |
19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
shit it was |
19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
my bad |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/15/university-calls-white-campus-population-failure-a/ |
19:59 |
Apocalyptic |
"Complaints from the U.S. are going to increasingly fall on deaf ears" |
19:59 |
thestringpuller |
i love see mircea_popescu use negro speak |
19:59 |
thestringpuller |
seeing* |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
“In the decades ahead, should we be as white as we are today, we will be relentlessly driven toward mediocrity; or, become a sad shadow of our current self,” Mr. Shepard said in a recent blog post |
19:59 |
Apocalyptic |
is this any news ? |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic allegedly ? :D |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
"Their mascot is the Viking." |
20:01 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Skol white people! |
20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://imgur.com/0WMxIoU << me playing with hipsters. |
20:13 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
where do you find these people? |
20:14 |
mircea_popescu |
irk? |
20:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Classic |
20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
da fuck is with all the prissy wallflowers claiming "passion" |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
what fucking passion. moar like "too mental for herpes" |
20:16 |
pankkake |
it's annoyingly boring |
20:17 |
Apocalyptic |
"Inventor/Entrepreneur/Author 120 patents, 400+ products. Clever & Unique" |
20:17 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno. I'd say mircea_popescu is passionate about ownership. |
20:17 |
Apocalyptic |
just wow |
20:17 |
Apocalyptic |
reminds me of the 12,000+ domain names guy |
20:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05299998 = 1.59 BTC [+] {7} |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic chick's worth some money, has this sort-of workout videos empire |
20:19 |
BingoBoingo |
It's amazing how many times the simple elastic band and the step stool can be patented |
20:19 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, basically, she's the bubbliest 44yo on some us based shopping channel |
20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
billy mays with tits and botulin |
20:20 |
mike_c |
she's a regular on shark tank |
20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
"Her first patent was a plastic jewelry organizer for earrings which generated $500 million in sales." |
20:21 |
pankkake |
4real? |
20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
yep |
20:21 |
pankkake |
I wasn't expecting much when I saw patents, but… |
20:21 |
pankkake |
this is why I don't take anyone seriously when they say that word |
20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, twitter is the best trolling venue imaginable. there's droves of hipsters, aging attention whores, all taking it supar seriously |
20:22 |
mod6 |
haha, true |
20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
you can ruin someone's whole week in 140 characters. |
20:22 |
mod6 |
+ 1 picture |
20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
just ask them why they look so fat unexpectedly. |
20:22 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
ooooh I would pay so much to see MP on shark tank |
20:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00498752 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {6} |
20:23 |
mod6 |
twitter had a melt down yesterday because some girl had a toy plane in her snatch |
20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
TestingUnoDosTre is this the #bitcoin-assets based reality tv show ? |
20:23 |
Apocalyptic |
mod6, really ? |
20:23 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
I would like to purchase a 3d printing maching, but I want YOU to buy it! |
20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 because nobody could have imagined that the terrorists would use a plane as a dildo. |
20:23 |
mod6 |
lol |
20:24 |
mod6 |
someone said "new meaning to red-eye flight" |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
right in the pink eye! |
20:24 |
mod6 |
:D |
20:24 |
* |
mod6 laughs |
20:28 |
mod6 |
holy hashrate |
20:28 |
mod6 |
;;stats |
20:28 |
gribble |
I have 24 registered users with 31 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
20:28 |
mod6 |
;;bc,stats |
20:28 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 296068 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 283 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6965027262.78 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.81273 |
20:29 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
gribble quit lowballin the hashrate your whore |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
is oz dead ? |
20:30 |
dub |
the wizard? |
20:31 |
benkay |
passion? |
20:31 |
benkay |
only passion is passion for cashin' |
20:31 |
BingoBoingo |
The Wizard of .bait |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i liked it for .d |
20:34 |
mike_c |
kakobrekla is probably bored and could implement those features in assbot. i liked <title> searches. |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay she claims bs on tv, buncha overweight wwu students believe her start flailing arms and making wild claims. |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c i liked title too. |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
20:35 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954 |
20:36 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
.d |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
so this is fucking weird. gribble says 24 hour high 528 |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile bitcoincharts disagrees : <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954 |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
not even close to 520. |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf is going on here ;/ |
20:38 |
mike_c |
remember that thing about how you closed options because no one could be relied on for good data? |
20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i do. |
20:39 |
mike_c |
hm, but if i am reading it right they are 8 hours old on their data? |
20:39 |
Apocalyptic |
well bitcoincharts is wrong |
20:39 |
mike_c |
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg2ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv |
20:39 |
Apocalyptic |
isn't it run by thermos or something anyway ? |
20:39 |
mike_c |
seems like data stopped some hours ago |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic afaik gribble takes its numbers from it |
20:40 |
benkay |
off to an 'internet of things' aka networked and api-ified sensor get together. perhaps i'll find some new clients there tonight... |
20:40 |
Apocalyptic |
<mike_c> seems like data stopped some hours ago << good catch |
20:41 |
benkay |
the barons of course not needing any derpy web or mobile apps. |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay we can't afford smartphones |
20:44 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
yah it peaked at 515 like 16 hours ago |
20:45 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
for bitcoincharts, thats 6 hours prior, in displayed data |
20:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Politics is weird: http://www.bnd.com/2014/04/15/3162876/carl-officer-forms-superpac-to.html |
20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"Please log in to access this feature." |
20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
perhaps i'll pass. |
20:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh or dun use javascript |
20:46 |
BingoBoingo |
No need to tor |
20:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06637855 = 1.4603 BTC [+] {5} |
20:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Basically longtime former democratic East StL mayor is now supporting the Repube candidate for governor. |
20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
20:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0669899 = 0.201 BTC [+] |
20:48 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
quite hilarious |
20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
"Well the answer is the IRS is extremely strict about property taxes and nobody in the United States is going to want to use Bitcoin after a 20% tax on it. That combined with Bitcoin rumors about China banning it means we won't see $525." << anon expert, april 15th around noon. |
20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
bitcoin goes blazing past 525, about twelve hours later. |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
after wallowing in the 400s for weeks. |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
the anon experts are a very valuable signal, turns out. |
20:49 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
and he had to make a SuperPac that was called Dems and Independents for Rauner, because he figured that those groups wouldnt want to contribute to a fund called "citizens for Rauner" |
20:49 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
pretty sure half the people who post on there are just trying to get bets to the other side |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
TestingUnoDosTre "citizens" is kinda republican codeword neh ? |
20:50 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
soon it will be comrade |
20:50 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.eslarp.uiuc.edu/ibex/archive/yelvington/interviews/mayor_carl_officer.htm |
20:51 |
BingoBoingo |
Carl Officer has a rich history of creating the lulz |
20:51 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2005-03-23/news/the-resurrection-of-carl-officer/ |
20:52 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
did you just google "carl officer nazi" or something? |
20:52 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
how do you find this shit |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently everyone is better at finding shit people than you. |
20:53 |
BingoBoingo |
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm from the general region, just a more rural part |
20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
soo, google ad on bitstamp query : |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
Bitstamp - Cumpără Bitcoin CFD - demo gratis - Plus500.ro‎ Ad www.plus500.ro/Bitstamp‎ Vă riscaţi propriul capital. Plus500 has 1,340 followers on Google+ |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
shitty scam paying like 5 bux a click |
20:55 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
i got a 404 |
| |
~ 26 minutes ~ |
21:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00097332 = 26.3283 BTC [+] {3} |
21:28 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
best youtube comment I've read in while "If this was reddit, it would be r/gore" |
21:30 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
and then there's this http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27031180 |
21:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05309998 = 0.1062 BTC [+] |
21:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] |
21:37 |
BingoBoingo |
http://gawker.com/top-marine-says-pay-cuts-will-improve-discipline-neck-1561628479 |
21:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
hey isnt that the shark tank lady youre fukn with mp? |
21:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
you own her? |
21:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
her three words basically read: I'm horny. |
21:39 |
nubbins` |
http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2014/04/racy-homoerotic-postage-stamps-set-for-release-in-finland.html |
21:39 |
nubbins` |
actually fucking awesome |
21:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
first bj on a stamp is two men |
21:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
funny stuff |
21:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
i linked yesterday with the caption: blowstamps |
21:41 |
nubbins` |
heh |
21:41 |
Apocalyptic |
apparently 22% of NY is on foodstamps |
21:41 |
nubbins` |
state or city |
21:41 |
Apocalyptic |
city |
21:41 |
nubbins` |
not bad |
21:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
that seems hard to believe |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
'His Marines could care less, he said, because they just "want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next."' |
21:44 |
nubbins` |
someone in payroll, no doubt |
21:45 |
asciilifeform |
there's a magic number, somewhere down there, where soldiers start selling ammo, other materiel, whole vehicles - to the enemy |
21:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Followed shortly by http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/portals/61/Docs/SMMC_letter_to_Marines1.pdf |
21:45 |
asciilifeform |
russia found what the number was (~6 mo. delay of pay, approx.) |
21:45 |
asciilifeform |
let's see what the american number is. |
21:46 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: To be fair this wasn't a Flag officer, but Flag enlisted |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
in other lulz, |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.examiner.com/article/martial-law-obama-confiscates-national-guard-helicopters-from-all-50-states |
21:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03050271 = 0.2135 BTC [-] {3} |
21:47 |
dub |
grab the turkey cletus we headin for the shelter |
21:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348998 = 0.214 BTC [+] {3} |
21:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03 = 0.6 BTC [-] |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
soviet ministry of internal affairs had tanks, choppers. |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
didn't make a lick of difference. |
21:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.05372635 = 0.591 BTC [+] {5} |
21:49 |
dub |
how many times has the national guard deployed a gunship in the history of gunships |
21:50 |
dub |
my guess: 0 times |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
point, if i understood, was to keep it 0. |
21:50 |
BingoBoingo |
dub: Well they probably didn't have to deploy "their" gunships, just their pilots |
21:54 |
dub |
#bitcoin-teaparty |
21:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, if bad collapse happens the teaparty factions are just as likely to be oppresive and appropriate your crops as the gobmint factions |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
where does 'good collapse' live? |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
did i miss something? |
21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, USSR vs. Somalia |
22:01 |
BingoBoingo |
This goes to the Orlov, the USSR was set up be not collapse as painfully as the thing could have otherwise. |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
plenty of ways to lose a head in 'good' collapse. |
22:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure, just less than in bad collapse |
22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves well i was supposed to describe ME not her. |
22:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0049404 = 0.163 BTC [-] |
22:10 |
nubbins` |
so i went out to have a drink earlier, stumbled across a poster we printed last november, still stuck to a pole |
22:10 |
nubbins` |
paper is bleached almost white, inks are immaculate |
22:10 |
mike_c |
you should use better paper |
22:10 |
nubbins` |
no i shouldn't |
22:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2} |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
worse ink? |
22:10 |
nubbins` |
heh! |
22:10 |
nubbins` |
better locations, obv |
22:11 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
what did the poster read |
22:11 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/3EMyqp9 |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
for a 'deserving' client, perhaps print with ink which fades out to reveal 'secret' message. |
22:12 |
nubbins` |
oo, fun. red ink on red paper |
22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` i had a self-adhesive print last ~2 years on a facade. |
22:12 |
nubbins` |
for reference, that paper was this color when it went up: http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg |
22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd guess easily 1mn pairs of eyeballs. total cost ? like $5 |
22:12 |
nubbins` |
not bad |
22:12 |
nubbins` |
guerrilla advertising is best advertising |
22:12 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Is pink eye a bar or something? |
22:13 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
nvm - I see ship pub |
22:13 |
nubbins` |
it's my printing company |
22:13 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
ooo |
22:13 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
what do you print them with? |
22:13 |
nubbins` |
silkscreen on kraft paper |
22:15 |
nubbins` |
we use cotton rag paper for good posters. these are cheapies for taping to poles. |
22:15 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
science be damned, that's an interesting process |
22:16 |
nubbins` |
very old |
22:17 |
nubbins` |
chinese were doing it 1000 years ago |
22:18 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Oh it appears so. My friend's sister has an old school platten printing machine that looks like it's from the 19th century |
22:18 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
don't know if that's what the actual name for the process is |
22:20 |
asciilifeform |
when the famous Kamkin bookstore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Kamkin_Bookstore) imploded, they sold things by the pound, and opened up all of the 'backstage' rooms to customers. in one, i found... a '40s vintage printing press. |
22:20 |
asciilifeform |
(for catalogues? propaganda? who knew.) |
22:21 |
nubbins` |
lovely! |
22:22 |
nubbins` |
if you'll excuse me, my wife needs to be bothered |
22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
samizdat fo sho |
22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Lee- |
22:25 |
assbot |
Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes. |
22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!up frz78 |
22:25 |
assbot |
Voicing frz78 for 30 minutes. |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
kamkin was known as a place where intelligence goons from both sides shopped. |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
as well as maths, physics people. |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
(plenty of 'mir publishing co.' maths in english, too) |
22:26 |
Lee- |
nifty |
22:28 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
asciilifeform - there was a book burning or what the hell happened? |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
TestingUnoDosTre: in the end, the creditors confiscated the shelves, and there were gigantic mountains of book |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
that one could climb and dig (literally) down in |
22:28 |
asciilifeform |
most of the good stuff was picked off |
22:29 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
ahhh |
22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
22:29 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.0, Best ask: 517.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 517.26, 24 hour volume: 33656.62801655, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 492.41993782 |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
i found my first book on 'forth' there |
22:29 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
forth? |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
forth. |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
;;google forth |
22:29 |
gribble |
Forth (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_(programming_language)>; Forth - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forth>; Forth Interest Group Home Page: <http://www.forth.org/> |
22:29 |
asciilifeform |
!up TomServo |
22:29 |
assbot |
Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes. |
22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform a fitting punishment for they who refused to acknowledge doom. |
22:29 |
TomServo |
Hello all! |
22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
hello TomServo |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: kamkin lived by the 'sovietologists' of washington, and - died by them. |
22:30 |
TomServo |
I'm sure it's been done to death, but could someone point me to instructions on getting into assbots wot? |
22:30 |
mircea_popescu |
more's the point... to this day there are people running around claiming they're... "journalists" |
22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
yet the newspaper died, as did the book. |
22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
TomServo actually it's not done at all. |
22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose each of the 29 will publish their own personal criteria, if/when they get around to it |
22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe we'll hold a yearly vote at the conference to add more to the l1 list |
22:32 |
asciilifeform |
complicated, to say 'book is dead.' books of horoscopes and dream divinations still printed by the zillion, 'soviet encyclopaedia of physics' - not. |
22:32 |
TomServo |
Ah, so even being in wot I still need to ask for voice? |
22:32 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes, well, if it were unequivocally clear, like, mastodon is dead, it would be easy |
22:32 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot TomServo |
22:32 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask TomServo!sewandsew@light1.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TomServo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TomServo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TomServo | Rated since: never |
22:33 |
mircea_popescu |
once the Level 2: reads > 0 you can pm assbot !up and it'll voice you |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
is there a vast legion of spammers, crying to get on the list? |
22:35 |
BingoBoingo |
TomServo: I'm a forgetful person, what sort of stuff do you do? |
22:35 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
if you sex slave yourself for bitcoin |
22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform prolly not yet. |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
other than mr. whizz |
22:35 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
just make sure it's from a person on the Wot, then they'll give you a rate |
22:36 |
TomServo |
BingoBoingo: I'm a lowly network engineer, looking for my niche. |
22:37 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
TomServo: what made you take an interest in this channel ? |
22:37 |
BingoBoingo |
!up TomServo |
22:37 |
assbot |
Voice for TomServo extended to 30 minutes. |
22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSYRqoCYAA9PpG.jpg |
22:39 |
TomServo |
asciilifeform: I've actually been here quite a while (2+ years I'd guess). Hard for me find conversation as stimulating as what happens here. |
22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
(yes, that'd donald rumsfeld) |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: lol! |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
next news: 'rumsfeld fined, estate auctioned, for inaccurate tax filings' |
22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
tis true, he's been here forever. aite. |
22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate TomServo 1 New blood. |
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22:39 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded. |
22:40 |
mike_c |
amen donald. |
22:42 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
I hope they simplifiy the tax code and fuck mr rumsfeld |
22:43 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
just single him out in a nation of hundreds of millions |
22:43 |
TomServo |
mircea_popescu: cheers |
22:44 |
joecool |
not sure how that works if the tax accounting firm fucks it up badly, does fed go after them or the individual? |
22:45 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
that's a really good question |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
individual. but some accountants provide a kind of 'insurance' |
22:45 |
mike_c |
the individual is responsible. |
22:46 |
joecool |
mike_c: for the amounts paid, but can't be held negligent if accountant fucks up |
22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
joecool pretty much, yes. |
22:46 |
joecool |
i'm assuming tax accountants carry insurance for this sort of thing |
22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
basically, as a us citizen you're better off if your accountant runs off with your money than if your accountant misfiles your taxes. |
22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
for the same sum |
22:48 |
mike_c |
what does 'held negligent' mean? you have to pay the penalties.. |
22:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+] |
22:49 |
joecool |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/10/steve-harvey-20-million-tax-lien-ruined-marriage_n_4572436.html < had to look it up, someone mentioned this to me in passing a month or two ago |
22:49 |
joecool |
accountant pocketed his tax payments, didn't file for 7 years, then kicked the bucket, no idea about the truth of it all |
22:51 |
TestingUnoDosTre |
Huff post is like shit smeared all over the computer screen |
22:51 |
joecool |
sry couldn't find another source |
22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
actually a VERY similar thing happened here last year. i arrive at my accountant's office, usually a quiet place with maybe 1-2 other people present, cause the gal is nuts abour scheduling, to find it in complete turmoil, bunches of evidently panicked people. |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
turns out, an accountant handling the accounts of ~200 small businesses had been found by the tax authority to not have filed anything for months |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
so they re-allocated all teh customers to the shortlist of competent accountants all around town |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
10 here, 15 there, etc. |
22:53 |
joecool |
well i mean if you actually look at the returns, the accountant is signing off to say they believe the return to be true to the best of their knowledge under penalty of perjury |
22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
sure |
22:54 |
joecool |
the individual signs off to say they are reporting their income and such to the best of their knowledge |
22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
the owner is still responsible tho. |
22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
davout didn't wanna let me sell x.eur short, i could have been rich. |
22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
-er/ |
22:55 |
joecool |
for the tax liability yes, fines (not interest) though i believe would get waived |
22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
joecool depends really. |
22:56 |
joecool |
i'm in this situation from the last company i started, initial accountant gave us horrible advice for 2012 since we formed the LLC in november and turned *very* small revenue, said it would be under limit to file |
22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda stupid, why not use the year to create a tax liability |
22:56 |
joecool |
hired a better firm this year, they went over it and warned us we had to file, paid the filing fees from last year, and warned us to expect a letter from the IRS asking for damages |
22:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52394834 BTC [+] |
22:58 |
joecool |
there's a process to go through to appeal a fine in this sort of situation |
22:58 |
joecool |
current accountants will handle it |
23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
!up bloctoc |
23:10 |
assbot |
Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes. |
23:11 |
bloctoc |
I don't know what that means |
23:12 |
BingoBoingo |
;;gettrust assbot bloctoc |
23:12 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bloctoc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013 |
23:12 |
BingoBoingo |
bloctoc: Auth with gribble and pm assbot !up |
23:13 |
bloctoc |
do I get a prize or something? |
23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
well you can speak if you do |
23:13 |
BingoBoingo |
bloctoc: You get voice? |
23:24 |
BingoBoingo |
!up the20year1 |
23:24 |
assbot |
Voicing the20year1 for 30 minutes. |
23:25 |
the20year1 |
yay |
23:25 |
the20year1 |
spent like 30m today trying to figure out how to authenticate via gpg and couldn't do it |
23:25 |
BingoBoingo |
It indeed takes time the first time |
23:25 |
the20year1 |
gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing |
23:26 |
BingoBoingo |
I always just eauth and do the decrypt thing |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
23:26 |
the20year1 |
does that work for original registration? |
23:26 |
the20year1 |
That's what i did, and it seemed like I still needed to register |
23:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.08299776 = 1.577 BTC [-] |
23:35 |
Apocalyptic |
the20year1, have you submitted the keys to GPG servers ? |
23:35 |
Apocalyptic |
yes you have to auth the first time |
23:35 |
Apocalyptic |
*reg |
23:36 |
the20year1 |
yeah , i did |
23:37 |
Apocalyptic |
<the20year1> gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing // what's the error then ? |
23:37 |
bloctoc |
seems like the price of bitcoin went up quite a bit with this new voice policy |
23:37 |
BingoBoingo |
bloctoc: Well, it is more drama |
23:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Drama !up Bitcoin !up |
23:38 |
Apocalyptic |
I haven't said this, but I think the new policy is a good idea, ty mircea |
23:38 |
mike_c |
(and kakobrekla) |
23:38 |
Apocalyptic |
indeed, he did the hard work |
23:40 |
the20year1 |
on home laptop, not office pc |
23:40 |
bloctoc |
whoever set it up thanks. Have my prize. |
23:41 |
Apocalyptic |
woot, dat NMC price |
23:41 |
Apocalyptic |
haven't seen the last pump |
23:42 |
bloctoc |
does that mean it's a secular thing? I've seen some NMC services. |
23:42 |
bloctoc |
for the record I don't know what secular means in this context. |
23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
bloctoc bashed :D |
23:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00097271 = 10.6512 BTC [-] |
23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
kako did the hard work which is why i should be getting all the praise |
23:46 |
Apocalyptic |
that's how it works in business |
23:46 |
mircea_popescu |
indeed |
23:46 |
Apocalyptic |
managers get the credit |
23:46 |
mike_c |
plus hard work is its own reward |
23:47 |
mircea_popescu |
indeed. |
23:51 |
mircea_popescu |
nighty all. |
23:55 |
Apocalyptic |
btw pankkake, are you reading l'odieux connard ? |