| 00:01 |
BingoBoingo |
https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=430137.msg7167613#msg7167613 |
| 00:01 |
assbot |
[Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) | Page 19 | Bitcointa.lk |
| 00:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17699 @ 0.00086062 = 15.2321 BTC [-] |
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| 00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
<Mats_cd03> and how is it becoming less resilient << no comms network is as resilient as the internet |
| 00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
this, since the 80s. |
| 00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
by now, forger it |
| 00:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00085359 = 29.9183 BTC [-] {3} |
| 00:35 |
cgcardona |
hi #bitcoin-assets o/ |
| 00:36 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
| 00:36 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 305362 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1069 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12309778451.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.70569 |
| 00:37 |
cgcardona_ |
ok just wanted to check if this nick had any messages |
| 00:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, cool |
| 00:41 |
cgcardona_ |
;;ticker |
| 00:41 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 627.91, Best ask: 629.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 627.9, 24 hour volume: 9746.28690195, 24 hour low: 615.0, 24 hour high: 645.0, 24 hour vwap: 629.9017398 |
| 00:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00085786 = 21.1034 BTC [+] |
| 00:44 |
mircea_popescu |
"The problem here is not the diagnosis, which I share, nor the proposed solutions, which are proper and potent to repel the growing democratic sickness that chokes human creation. Bitcoin provides us a critical escape from forced trust in unaccountable monopolies. However, trust in transactions, per se, should not be the object of ire and in fact cannot be if we want to participate in beneficial ways. Distributed ledg |
| 00:44 |
mircea_popescu |
ers obviate the need for trust in the money changers, but humans are still trust-seeking and Bitcoin is still money and money is still trust. In a post-Bitcoin world, trust will become more important than ever." |
| 00:44 |
mircea_popescu |
dude this chick actually got it. |
| 00:45 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust princessnell |
| 00:45 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user princessnell: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: Thu May 8 16:20:29 2014 |
| 00:45 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated princessnell |
| 00:45 |
gribble |
You rated user princessnell on Sun May 11 18:26:16 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: procurer for the #bitcoin-assets dungeon.. |
| 00:45 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate princessnell 2 She's smart. |
| 00:45 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user princessnell has changed from 1 to 2. |
| 00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
Defintely on the ball in ways Ms boring isn't. Forbes picked the loser. |
| 00:49 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/11/longshots-in-three-concise-points/ |
| 00:50 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
| 00:50 |
atcbot |
20k@264 16k@260 35k@250 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140 |
| 00:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Coinion seems to have stalled out http://www.coinion.com/ |
| 00:53 |
assbot |
The Coinion | Bitcoin's Finest News Source |
| 01:00 |
mircea_popescu |
hard work, easily tired kids, whats to expect. |
| 01:01 |
BingoBoingo |
You'd think the incentive your PR dropped for them on the forum would have got them reaching for 300 in a year |
| 01:02 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo "supposing whow " |
| 01:03 |
BingoBoingo |
The coinion kids. |
| 01:03 |
BingoBoingo |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354054.msg3878420#msg3878420 |
| 01:03 |
assbot |
Introducing: The Coinion, Bitcoin's Finest News Source! Onion-clone for Bitcoin |
| 01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://thecurioustask.tumblr.com/post/88277407744/the-shit-triangle |
| 01:04 |
assbot |
the shit triangle - Mystery of the Mundane |
| 01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
someone translate this ? |
| 01:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00085786 = 23.9772 BTC [+] |
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~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 01:33 |
benkay |
state media academia |
| 01:33 |
benkay |
shit triangle |
| 01:45 |
benkay |
!up Vexual |
| 01:45 |
benkay |
hey baby |
| 01:45 |
Vexual |
hey yourself |
| 01:46 |
Vexual |
I left a shit triangle next to a dumpster last night |
| 01:48 |
Vexual |
that sounded funnier in my head |
| 01:49 |
Vexual |
is THAT the shit triangle? |
| 01:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23820 @ 0.00085172 = 20.288 BTC [-] {4} |
| 01:58 |
decimation |
princessnell's essay is a good read indeed |
| 01:59 |
decimation |
here's the link for the google-poor http://theumlaut.com/2014/06/10/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains/ |
| 01:59 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Is Great, But It Won’t Fix Our Monkey Brains | The mlaut |
| 02:01 |
decimation |
"Trying to supplant our nature with technology is a losing prospect that gets it completely backwards." << what's amusing is that much of the ruling ideology of the USG is exactly this |
| 02:02 |
decimation |
nearly every gov't department wants to find ways of removing actual human accountability for problems while finding a way to produce government ex machina |
| 02:03 |
Vexual |
so do big companies |
| 02:04 |
decimation |
well, anyone with a basic understanding of human nature will realize that humans attempt to shirk responsibility if they think they can get away with it |
| 02:05 |
decimation |
waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment |
| 02:11 |
Vexual |
developed any printer filaments lately? |
| 02:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.00085271 = 50.3099 BTC [+] {3} |
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~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 02:33 |
davout |
morning asseteers and asseteerettes |
| 02:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0235999 = 0.4012 BTC [+] |
| 02:43 |
decimation |
Vexual: what do you mean by printer filaments? 3d printers? |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 03:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43813 @ 0.00084823 = 37.1635 BTC [-] {2} |
| 03:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0699998 = 0.77 BTC [-] {3} |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 03:26 |
fluffypony |
davout: morning |
| 03:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC |
| 03:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00085065 = 16.8429 BTC [+] |
| 03:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42537 @ 0.000843 = 35.8587 BTC [-] {2} |
| 03:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.000825 = 1.6088 BTC [-] |
| 04:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24228941 BTC [-] |
| 04:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00229967 = 0.2415 BTC [+] |
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~ 32 minutes ~ |
| 04:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0675001 = 0.135 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06769949 = 0.677 BTC [+] |
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~ 37 minutes ~ |
| 05:24 |
BingoBoingo |
!up diana_coman |
| 05:24 |
BingoBoingo |
!up RagnarsBitch |
| 05:25 |
BingoBoingo |
!up saulimus |
| 05:25 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Swadq |
| 05:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 52 @ 0.02826731 = 1.4699 BTC [+] {3} |
| 05:31 |
diana_coman |
thanks BingoBoingo, I think I actually should be voiced if I get auth |
| 05:31 |
fluffypony |
;;gettrust assbot diana_coman |
| 05:31 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user diana_coman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=diana_coman | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=diana_coman | Rated since: Tue Mar 26 18:56:33 2013 |
| 05:31 |
fluffypony |
yep |
| 05:31 |
fluffypony |
looks like it |
| 05:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06999999 = 1.54 BTC [+] {2} |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 05:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41788 @ 0.00082685 = 34.5524 BTC [+] {2} |
| 05:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [+] |
| 05:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 174 @ 0.00229957 = 0.4001 BTC [+] |
| 05:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.00229967 = 0.2967 BTC [+] |
| 06:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2608866 = 0.7827 BTC [+] |
| 06:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2608886 BTC [+] |
| 06:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.2608887 = 2.348 BTC [+] |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 06:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+] |
| 06:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00083011 = 26.4805 BTC [+] |
| 06:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+] |
| 06:36 |
diana_coman |
are the logs of this channel available as a dump (I know about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ but it seems to give them only day by day, while I wanted to play around with a bigger sample) |
| 06:36 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 06:37 |
Namworld |
Dafuq youtube... giving me before my video a 1 hour ad video about Bitcoin, "Ride the Great Coming Wave"... Such a scammy ad. |
| 06:38 |
kakobrekla |
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/20/tunnel-vision-254202.html |
| 06:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8744 @ 0.00083011 = 7.2585 BTC [+] |
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~ 23 minutes ~ |
| 07:13 |
davout |
33a89ace5b971c3ed5862af1cbe272da |
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↖ |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 07:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2608887 BTC [+] |
| 07:47 |
Mats_cd03 |
;;later tell vexual no is that something i should care about |
| 07:47 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 07:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13036 @ 0.00083814 = 10.926 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 08:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> someone translate this ? /// looks Antifragile-inspired (i started reading it yesterday) |
| 08:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+kakobrekla> http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/20/tunnel-vision-254202.html /// do you come from the future? |
| 08:21 |
kakobrekla |
bringing you past from the future. |
| 08:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
thank you for the present |
| 08:23 |
fluffypony |
lol - https://twitter.com/gynvael/status/475930719769075712 |
| 08:23 |
assbot |
Dear conference organizers: my wife says I have enough t-shirts and you should start giving out trousers. Thank you for understanding. |
| 08:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
| 08:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4464 @ 0.00083624 = 3.733 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 33 minutes ~ |
| 09:04 |
fluffypony |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Ud4Hp5kkw |
| 09:04 |
assbot |
LEGO Creator: MINI Cooper Designer Video - YouTube |
| 09:04 |
fluffypony |
can't wait for August |
| 09:04 |
fluffypony |
such a gorgeous model |
| 09:09 |
fluffypony |
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/lets-bring-back-the-fax-machine |
| 09:09 |
assbot |
Let's Bring Back the Fax Machine | Motherboard |
| 09:10 |
davout |
in case someone was lulz-deprived |
| 09:10 |
davout |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=648178.0 |
| 09:10 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Losers |
| 09:23 |
dub |
and one of them posting 400btc for your head |
| 09:24 |
fluffypony |
throw the jew down the well |
| 09:25 |
fluffypony |
princessnell favourited my tweet, I'm well on my way to Internet fame :-P |
| 09:29 |
davout |
dub: yeah, that too |
| 09:29 |
davout |
i'm waiting for phinneaus to show up on -assets again, so i can pierce him a second butthole in front of everyone |
| 09:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39687 @ 0.00083753 = 33.2391 BTC [+] {3} |
| 09:31 |
davout |
!up starsoccer |
| 09:31 |
davout |
;;gettrust assbot starsoccer |
| 09:31 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33. Trust relationship from user assbot to user starsoccer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=starsoccer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=starsoccer | Rated since: Sat May 12 23:07:51 2012 |
| 09:32 |
davout |
o, you can already voice yourself >< |
| 09:32 |
starsoccer |
oo lol |
| 09:32 |
starsoccer |
didnt realize |
| 09:32 |
kakobrekla |
what did he do davout ? |
| 09:33 |
davout |
kakobrekla: boiled down version goes something like this |
| 09:33 |
dub |
the dude has <70 IQ, the end? |
| 09:33 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19RCWJ.txt ) |
| 09:33 |
kakobrekla |
!b 2 |
| 09:34 |
davout |
"davout stole 1132 BTC from me, so let's do something really smart here, if someone manages to make him cough up that amount, he can send me 732 BTC and keep 400 BTC for himself" |
| 09:34 |
kakobrekla |
aha lolk |
| 09:34 |
starsoccer |
davout, send him 1132 btc |
| 09:34 |
starsoccer |
pls |
| 09:34 |
starsoccer |
lol |
| 09:34 |
davout |
which boils down even further ti "donate 400 BTC to me" |
| 09:34 |
dub |
'but I'll settle for US$50k!' |
| 09:34 |
davout |
s/ti/to/ |
| 09:35 |
starsoccer |
davout, fine send him 50k |
| 09:35 |
kakobrekla |
fun |
| 09:35 |
starsoccer |
then me and you split the 400btc |
| 09:35 |
starsoccer |
;) |
| 09:35 |
dub |
now forum rocket scientists are like, SO IF I SEND YOU $50K YOU SEND ME 400BTC?! |
| 09:35 |
starsoccer |
dub, exactly |
| 09:35 |
davout |
starsoccer: i already have someone willing to do it for only 100 BTC, sorry! |
| 09:35 |
starsoccer |
do what for 100 btc? |
| 09:36 |
starsoccer |
you send him 50k USD then we split 400btc so you get 200btc and i get 200btc |
| 09:36 |
starsoccer |
good day |
| 09:36 |
davout |
kinda fun going into the office and have everyone be like "o hai, you have a 400 btc contract on your head" :D |
| 09:36 |
kakobrekla |
lol |
| 09:37 |
dub |
haha |
| 09:38 |
dub |
HIRE SOME SERBS TO GET IT |
| 09:38 |
kakobrekla |
i know some |
| 09:38 |
kakobrekla |
i cal also hold escrow |
| 09:38 |
kakobrekla |
can |
| 09:41 |
kakobrekla |
no takers ? boring. |
| 09:41 |
mircea_popescu |
hai there persons. |
| 09:42 |
dub |
this sardokan guy is sure he is getting paid |
| 09:42 |
kakobrekla |
hi |
| 09:42 |
Duffer1 |
hello |
| 09:44 |
dub |
ohshi- expedia |
| 09:44 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay: state media academia << ty |
| 09:44 |
dub |
nice |
| 09:45 |
davout |
dub: he's being sardokanastic |
| 09:45 |
dub |
ah, I was teetering that way but I err on the side of retard |
| 09:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i feel so left out. who's sandokan ? other than some bollywood action star from the 80s |
| 09:46 |
mircea_popescu |
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VBoD92ui70 ) |
| 09:46 |
assbot |
Sandokan Tribute - YouTube |
| 09:46 |
kakobrekla |
some forumite? |
| 09:47 |
davout |
he's a french guy that i've met a couple of times, also forumite |
| 09:47 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 09:49 |
Apocalyptic |
davout, did he post that on the forum ? |
| 09:49 |
davout |
Apocalyptic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=649176.0 |
| 09:49 |
assbot |
New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC |
| 09:49 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: waiting around and doing nothing while you hope a magic "process" or "committee" or "standarization" will do your job constitutes at least 50% of western officeworker employment << the best part is that this used to actually work, a century or so ago. |
| 09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
o wow wait |
| 09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !? |
| 09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
!up blackwhite |
| 09:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008361 = 14.2137 BTC [-] {2} |
| 09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot blackwhite |
| 09:51 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user blackwhite: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=blackwhite | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=blackwhite | Rated since: never |
| 09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
blackwhite the reason you can't say anything is that you';re not in assbot's l2 wot. have you been reading the logs or just idling idly ? |
| 09:52 |
mircea_popescu |
davout what's the backstory on "At the onset of the InstaWallet fiasco, all three URLs didn't have a bitcoin wallet associated with the generated pages. It wasn't till after I brought it to Boussac's attention that the lesser bitcoin-containing wallet was well-document that it mysterious had the associated wallet address visible on the URL generated site. This is why they refuse to release the name of the forensics aud |
| 09:52 |
mircea_popescu |
itor(s) because there wasn't one (or more, according to Boussac), in spite of them saying they couldn't because of some fuckin' idiotic NDA clause." ? |
| 09:52 |
blackwhite |
I have just been busy so primarily just reading once in a while. Was more involved earlier. |
| 09:53 |
blackwhite |
but getting back to getting more involved again. |
| 09:53 |
mircea_popescu |
blackwhite right. so meanwhile the channel is +m, to get voice you have to pm assbot !up which only works if you're trusted to any degree by someone assbot trusts. |
| 09:53 |
blackwhite |
i see |
| 09:54 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: what specific part of the story are you curious about ? |
| 09:54 |
mircea_popescu |
well let's see. instawallet had a system whereby ownership is proven by url. the guy had 3 urls. what was not associated with what ? |
| 09:56 |
mircea_popescu |
his generative grammar is quite bizarre, i can't follow statements like "all three didn't" worth a crap. |
| 09:56 |
davout |
two of his URLs matched to nothing, pretty simple |
| 09:56 |
Apocalyptic |
<mircea_popescu> phin put a 400 btc bounty on davout's head !? //looks like it |
| 09:56 |
mircea_popescu |
davout what do you mean his and what do you mean nothing |
| 09:56 |
mircea_popescu |
did he lose two of his three urls ? |
| 09:57 |
davout |
i mean "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM wallets WHERE key = '<phinns wallet key>'" == 0 |
| 09:57 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, "Following massive rainfalls in Misiones, Argentina, and Santa Catarina and Paraná, Brazil, the famous Iguazú Falls are now overflowing, carrying 46,300 cubic meters per second33 times the usual water flow rate." |
| 09:57 |
davout |
for two of the urls |
| 09:58 |
mircea_popescu |
davout uh. so then how is it possible he thought he had something there ? |
| 09:58 |
davout |
i dunno, and tbh i would like to know too |
| 09:58 |
davout |
some people fell for the "oh hey, here is our tor hidden service for instawallet, deposit bitches" |
| 09:58 |
Apocalyptic |
"BTW, I would not rule out the possiblity that Boussac himself is a victim of davout to some extent" who's Boussac again ? |
| 09:58 |
mircea_popescu |
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wOjCTy9_--/strfxwexmbgnjk7b4nus.jpg now vs then : http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--utwlJ8_1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ihl9qhl9yy47q1axnuiv.jpg |
| 09:59 |
davout |
except we didn't have a tor hidden service |
| 09:59 |
mircea_popescu |
davout so is it possible whoever broke in deleted some records too ? |
| 09:59 |
davout |
i checked for that against a few backups |
| 09:59 |
davout |
no results |
| 09:59 |
mircea_popescu |
what date was the oldest you checked roughly ? |
| 09:59 |
davout |
one of the first things i thought of |
| 09:59 |
pankkake |
What is it about FRENCH GUYS and Bitcoin? |
| 09:59 |
pankkake |
Karpeles, those Dealco guys out of HK, now these scammers |
| 09:59 |
pankkake |
French Bitcoiner = AVOID |
| 09:59 |
davout |
i don't really recall from the top of my head |
| 10:00 |
davout |
i tried to find partial url matches too |
| 10:00 |
mircea_popescu |
well were they a week older than the live db ?a month ? more ? |
| 10:00 |
davout |
i tried to search by balances |
| 10:00 |
davout |
a month or two i think |
| 10:00 |
mircea_popescu |
so as best you can determine, there's a month+ interval where according to phinn he had 1k+ btc, but according to your db he had not ? |
| 10:00 |
davout |
hence me asking for the deposit addresses and/or the funding transactions |
| 10:01 |
davout |
that's what the backups convey |
| 10:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/embed/76XfV42YvBI < bonus iguazu |
| 10:02 |
assbot |
As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube |
| 10:02 |
mircea_popescu |
davout did instawallet gpg sign anything ? |
| 10:02 |
davout |
nope |
| 10:02 |
mircea_popescu |
so did you say this to him ? did you get any sort of response ? |
| 10:03 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: he gets asked to prove he deposited 1100+ BTC into Instawallet, providing a transaction ID or a signed BTC addy that sent it or ANYTHING, and he just ignores those requests or talks around them |
| 10:03 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 10:04 |
davout |
i asked him "o hey, maybe it could help me if you gave me the deposit addresses" |
| 10:04 |
mircea_popescu |
well he prolly didn't keep records of any kind |
| 10:04 |
davout |
the idea being that i could have checked against backups of bitcoind wallets as well with such an information |
| 10:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ok, so were you on vacation at the time of the hax ? |
| 10:05 |
davout |
well that's kind of what i figured, and i also figured he'd be too dumb to explore the blockchain by himself |
| 10:05 |
blackwhite |
pretty good talk on ethereum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dpjN3Mwps |
| 10:05 |
assbot |
Vitalik Buterin reveals Ethereum at Bitcoin Miami 2014 - YouTube |
| 10:05 |
davout |
so i went there and used tracked all the addresses linked in any way to the unique IW cold storage address |
| 10:05 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: sure, BUT if he EVER sent money from Instawallet to someone (say as payment for something) and message'd or email'd them the transaction ID he'd have that, he'd have SOMETHING that could be used |
| 10:06 |
mircea_popescu |
davout so he does not make a specific claim to either address or transaction, he makes a specific claim as to balance and to url which can't be verified, is the thing ? |
| 10:06 |
fluffypony |
yes |
| 10:06 |
davout |
once i had a massive collection of addresses i checked for an address whose received totals matched the balances he claimed, to no avail |
| 10:06 |
davout |
took a few days for the script to reverse-explore the chain from the CS address |
| 10:07 |
fluffypony |
every thread that's popped up that I've read has him claiming those two Instawallet URLs (plus a third that had 0.825 BTC or something that he disregards), but no further evidence |
| 10:07 |
mircea_popescu |
this seems a fools errand as im sure his balance didn't come in one chunk. |
| 10:07 |
davout |
ended up with around ~100k addresses to check, none of them received the amounts he mentions in the timeframe he mentions |
| 10:07 |
fluffypony |
the URLs could be complete bullshit |
| 10:07 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: no, because i checked for totals |
| 10:07 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: davout's talking about searching for the total received for each address in a timeframe |
| 10:08 |
mircea_popescu |
that ain't gonna work. |
| 10:08 |
mircea_popescu |
aaanyway. so were you on vacation when it happened ? |
| 10:08 |
davout |
fluffypony: not the received total in a timeframe actually, the received total, and then i checked manually the actual deposits against these addresses |
| 10:09 |
davout |
because the guy is pretty specific, 1000 BTC and 132 BTC, sent in december 2012 to an instawallet address |
| 10:09 |
fluffypony |
yeah |
| 10:09 |
davout |
he even provides the exchange rate at the time, this way i'm sure it's not 2011 or whatever |
| 10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't see much substance to his claim it'd be coming out of 1DavouTAsveznCFHsz688xvbrRAq4u2qm8 going to 16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk |
| 10:12 |
fluffypony |
yeah it's almost like he thinks it impossible that davout could independently have 1k BTC and it *must* come from him |
| 10:12 |
pankkake |
http://bitbet.us/propositions/ okay… |
| 10:12 |
assbot |
BitBet Propositions |
| 10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony but if you look at the incoming to that addy, there's no matching chunk |
| 10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
https://blockchain.info/tx/84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e largest bit, in may last. when did isntawallet fail again ? |
| 10:13 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Transaction 84c505049bb782b490cc3fb7633238082afb2a2ec21bf1ea0596d6cbc2a61c1e |
| 10:14 |
mircea_popescu |
april |
| 10:14 |
fluffypony |
yeah |
| 10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
actually 100, 400, 460 during may, 100 late april. |
| 10:15 |
davout |
mircea_popescu fluffypony he can go ask jgarzik, the guy paid me 5678 BTC back in the day, also i got into bitcoin at such a time that i mined some blocks on a goddamn CPU |
| 10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway davout so why is he claiming you won't release the liquidator;'s name ? |
| 10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
that's exactly contrary to normal procedure, what's that all about ? |
| 10:15 |
davout |
he's imagining there is a liquidator |
| 10:15 |
davout |
i never said there was one, i said there had been an audit |
| 10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
oh. |
| 10:16 |
davout |
it was a post-mortem security audit |
| 10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i see. |
| 10:16 |
davout |
the guy is very confused |
| 10:16 |
davout |
i stopped answering him because i saw he could not grasp some very simple things |
| 10:17 |
davout |
i explained to him how a shared wallet works, later he refers to it as mumble-jumble |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
"Reserved to announced that I have reunited with my lost investment." |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
is he francophone ? |
| 10:17 |
davout |
he's definitely not francophile |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 10:17 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
no but i mean he makes these sentences that break my parser all the time |
| 10:18 |
fluffypony |
pankkake: I'm betting yes on "tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt" |
| 10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"Ideally, I prefer to have the entire 1,132 BTC, sans the 400 BTC bounty amount, paid in full to me, but knowing that sometimes arbitration takes place, I'm willing to settle for a minimal amount, with anybody acting as liaison to broker their reward up to 100% of what I may finally recognize. The minimum I'm welling to settle for is $50K USD via BTC or fiat to compensate for my initial investment and the mega hours I |
| 10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
have put into this fiasco, not to mention the stress." |
| 10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
wait so the bounty is out of lol wtf how does this work |
| 10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"I prefer to use Rassah as escrow" |
| 10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
so did he fund the bounty or not ? |
| 10:19 |
fluffypony |
nope |
| 10:19 |
fluffypony |
*if* he gets it he'll pay out 400 BTC or something |
| 10:19 |
davout |
the guy is confused, my only hope is that he lawyers up, so that someone can finally talk some sense into him |
| 10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony so then why any need for an escrow? |
| 10:19 |
fluffypony |
nfi |
| 10:20 |
fluffypony |
the whole arrangement is confusing as hell |
| 10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically what he';s trying to do here is send davout to the forum collections agency ? |
| 10:20 |
davout |
also, for the sake of keeping a public record, the script i used to explore the blockchain in order to try and find his deposit address, none of the two i was looking for appeared |
| 10:20 |
fluffypony |
yes |
| 10:20 |
davout |
http://pastie.org/private/zye2fhscut112d7m1m6ga |
| 10:20 |
assbot |
Private Paste - Pastie |
| 10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
davout do you have a service address ? |
| 10:21 |
fluffypony |
maybe he's hoping that by throwing enough of a tantrum davout will just throw money at him |
| 10:21 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: instawallet's former cold storage address -> 1FrtkNXastDoMAaorowys27AKQERxgmZjY |
| 10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony generally i kinda like phinn, he's very diligent, quite passionate and an off the path sort of thinker |
| 10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
davout service address is a postal address where one receives service of process |
| 10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
such as supoenas |
| 10:22 |
davout |
paymium has one |
| 10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
alrighty. |
| 10:22 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: yeah I'm talking purely about the way he's treating this particular issue, not in general |
| 10:22 |
fluffypony |
the constant stream of new threads doesn't play into his favour |
| 10:23 |
davout |
also, our server hard drives were given to law enforcement when we filed our complaint back in april 2013 |
| 10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
davout so make a single post in that thread, containing paymium's service address, a statement that you've tried to the best of your ability to identify his claims but didn' |
| 10:23 |
kakobrekla |
someone mixed propositions for 4chan? |
| 10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
t so far manage to do so and a optionally a link to here to detail that. |
| 10:23 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: that's what I'm guessing |
| 10:23 |
davout |
in other words, it would simply be best if the guy sued |
| 10:24 |
mircea_popescu |
davout at this point. |
| 10:24 |
fluffypony |
agreed |
| 10:24 |
mircea_popescu |
there doesn't seem to be much room for any sort of mediation |
| 10:24 |
fluffypony |
once the body of evidence is presented his lawyer would (one hopes) be able to explain things to him |
| 10:25 |
chetty |
so basically he is claiming a deposit with no actual evidence he made it? Wonder if that would work with my bank? |
| 10:25 |
fluffypony |
chetty: I think so |
| 10:25 |
fluffypony |
give it a spin, let us know how it goes |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony bank'll prolly just pay her. |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
what do they care. |
| 10:26 |
davout |
gotta get off, i'll be back later tonight if someone wants to discuss this further |
| 10:26 |
fluffypony |
davout: kk |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i think it's discussed tbh. |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
;;notes |
| 10:26 |
gribble |
I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, bitcoingirl, cevidad, frankenmint, Immukization, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, moiety, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, RainMan28, ryepdx, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, and vexual. |
| 10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen Phinnaeus |
| 10:26 |
gribble |
Phinnaeus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Phinnaeus> later |
| 10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe if the guy shows up |
| 10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha wahahahaha sardokan wins |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
I don't understand why phinnaeus would pay 400BTC for 50K$, but I can write the agreement with him and make the deal : Davout will send to trusted escrow 50K$ (in dollard or BTC) Phinnaeus will send to escrow 400 BTC when escrow have both, he will send me 400 BTC and send Phinnaeus is 50K$. I will then send 300 BTC to Davout. We will all waive the right to terminate this agreement and to all actions regarding the insta |
| 10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
wallet service. |
| 10:30 |
pankkake |
my experience of the forum is that there is no shortage of high profile delusional scammers, that of course don't think themselves as such |
| 10:30 |
pankkake |
but davout being a mod there, I don't trust him either! |
| 10:31 |
fluffypony |
he mods the French sub-forum, it's not exactly a position of power |
| 10:31 |
Apocalyptic |
it is to a certain extent |
| 10:31 |
pankkake |
it comes with a special status |
| 10:31 |
pankkake |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=548245.0 for more lulz |
| 10:31 |
assbot |
Go out french moderator ! |
| 10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno what to make of this personally. i kinda like phinn and all, but so far this claim of his is not going too far. |
| 10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't doubt he had 1k or so btc at some point, and i don't doubt he genuinely lost it somehow. |
| 10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
now exactly how... |
| 10:33 |
* |
kakobrekla put the poop back in the box |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2014#714444 << this "put hashes in bitcoin-asset's blockchain" is becoming fashionable i see. |
| 10:36 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
certainly better than trying to hijack bitcoin's for the purpose of communication. |
| 10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: Dear conference organizers: my wife says I have enough t-shirts and you should start giving out trousers. Thank you for understanding. << lol someone ain't wearing undies ? |
| 10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
http://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/moss-072913-_1_0.jpg << tshirt and knickers, best schoolgirl uniform of 2005 |
| 10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"I got swept up in the mania last November and dared to invest my life saving into purchasing 1 bitcoin, just as it was near peak. That turned out to be a terrible purchase for me" |
| 10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
heh |
| 10:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0707059 = 0.2121 BTC [+] |
| 10:40 |
fluffypony |
"the price didn't move in the direction I expected in 6 months! suicide time!" |
| 10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
I bought several at $1.000, many others at $550, but at the end, I am a looser in term of financial results. |
| 10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
But absolutely Hodling. Never sold any Bitcoin, only bought and HODL |
| 10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a sa job btw. |
| 10:42 |
fluffypony |
sa as in South African? |
| 10:43 |
TomServo |
something awful, I would guess |
| 10:43 |
fluffypony |
oh |
| 10:43 |
fluffypony |
third time I've made that mistake |
| 10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
well because they're pretty irrelevant by now, so you wouldn't normally know. |
| 10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
but yeah, originally it was all "o, how the bitcoiners don't understand basic socialism as canon accepted by everyone" |
| 10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
then it was "o the press in its quest for bullshit is betraying the holy canon of socialism" |
| 10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
by now it's sunk into the depths of pathetic : trying to get a thread going, which gets 6 pages out of which 2/3 is their kindling |
| 10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean any half-literate scammer in sierra-leone can get a good flamewar raging for 500 pages in two weeks, the self appointed cream of teh internets slash intellectual core of progressivism can't even get to 12 ?! |
| 10:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.070706 = 0.8485 BTC [+] |
| 10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
;;bc,stats |
| 10:48 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 305435 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 996 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 4 hours, 28 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12414329811.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.59499 |
| 10:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
you know it's just gonna explode during the diff before the bet |
| 10:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's a diff bear trap |
| 11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
bet is closed by nowi think |
| 11:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah |
| 11:01 |
mike_c |
spoken like a man who has been creamed in the past betting against difficulty |
| 11:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
Current weight: 798 |
| 11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
he got it pretty bad at some point i recall, what was it, 50 btc ? |
| 11:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
yep |
| 11:01 |
fluffypony |
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-empowers-first-global-peer-peer-lender-btcjam/ |
| 11:01 |
assbot |
How Bitcoin Empowers the First Global Peer-to-Peer Lender BTCJam |
| 11:01 |
fluffypony |
19% APR return for lenders |
| 11:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
btcjam is spamming the web this week |
| 11:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
putting that VC money to use i guess |
| 11:02 |
mike_c |
echo "td { overflow: hidden; }" >> bitbet.css |
| 11:02 |
fluffypony |
yeah |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony they finally figured out that 60% return rate isn't really such a good number ? |
| 11:02 |
fluffypony |
so it would seem |
| 11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
what was their round anyway ? i forget |
| 11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.aysa.com.ar/index.php?id_seccion=725 << anyone notice anything ? |
| 11:04 |
assbot |
.: AySA - Agua y Saneamientos Argentinos S.A. :. |
| 11:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
undisclosed |
| 11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
"PHP has encountered an Access Violation at 01C20AFD" |
| 11:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
we need some new diff bets |
| 11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly ya |
| 11:08 |
kakobrekla |
mike_c ? |
| 11:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
this one is pretty good http://bitbet.us/bet/877/difficulty-over-21bn-by-summers-end-2014/ |
| 11:09 |
assbot |
BitBet - Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014 :: 0.6 B (55%) on Yes, 0.48 B (45%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 90`314 (100`000 to 3) |
| 11:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06800105 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2} |
| 11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
ya not so bad |
| 11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
o look it's a kitten! where've you been moiety |
| 11:12 |
moiety |
hello! |
| 11:12 |
moiety |
i've had such a disater moving! i've had no internet |
| 11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
taking the sex weeks literally ? |
| 11:12 |
moiety |
disaster* |
| 11:12 |
moiety |
lol well i am finally in and almost out of the other one |
| 11:13 |
moiety |
relying on transport help is not good for moving |
| 11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
lol so i moved across the ocean faster than you did across town ? |
| 11:14 |
mike_c |
kakobrekla: does opera render diffrently on proposition page? those crazy titles go off my screen |
| 11:14 |
moiety |
I'm sorry i didn't even have email. flipping library is being refurbed. how is everyone? |
| 11:15 |
moiety |
lolpretty much mircea_popescu i ran out of funds half way and was in this empty flat for a few days |
| 11:15 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty great. you have the logs of all time to go through now :D |
| 11:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but yeah, i wasn't in rift for about a month, people were throwing a fit |
| 11:17 |
|
Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/877/ Odds: 73(Y):27(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.175 BTC. Current weight: 90,308. |
| 11:17 |
moiety |
honestly i wish id had the logs when i had no internet lol have you all settled in now then mircea_popescu? |
| 11:17 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah |
| 11:17 |
kakobrekla |
mike_c i see this in opera and chrome http://i.imgur.com/62OkoI9.png |
| 11:18 |
mike_c |
(latest?) chrome: http://i.imgur.com/9jfHPjY.png |
| 11:19 |
mircea_popescu |
http://browsershots.org/http://bitbet.us/propositions/ |
| 11:19 |
assbot |
Website Overview for http://bitbet.us/propositions/ |
| 11:20 |
kakobrekla |
doesnt your browser know of word-wrap: break-word; |
| 11:21 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/heretic-salmon-teriyaki/ |
| 11:22 |
mike_c |
you mean "word-break: break-word;" |
| 11:22 |
kakobrekla |
hum? |
| 11:23 |
fluffypony |
that looks delicious, mircea_popescu |
| 11:23 |
kakobrekla |
break-break: broken-break; ? |
| 11:23 |
fluffypony |
I think I'm going to try that this w/e and report back |
| 11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
it was pretty good. |
| 11:23 |
fluffypony |
advantage of having a vegetarian wife: more for me |
| 11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
more food for you, better sex for you ? |
| 11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, veggie wives aren't so bad. |
| 11:23 |
fluffypony |
a win-win! |
| 11:24 |
mike_c |
break broken, looks like you fixed it? |
| 11:24 |
fluffypony |
of course, she'll probably outlive me by 20 years, but c'est la vie |
| 11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
women do that anyway |
| 11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
actually someone should make a lolpost about "break the age glass ceiling! women should be killed off by the government so that on average they live as long as men!!11" |
| 11:25 |
kakobrekla |
mike_c i just made your browser reload css |
| 11:25 |
mike_c |
versioned statics are good. |
| 11:26 |
mike_c |
working now, thank you for hitting ctrl-r for me. |
| 11:26 |
kakobrekla |
:) |
| 11:26 |
Apocalyptic |
kako is the css wizard |
| 11:26 |
kakobrekla |
nah |
| 11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
http://browsershots.org/http://bitbet.us/propositions/ << clearly problem exists between mike_c monitor and mike_c's chair :D |
| 11:26 |
assbot |
Website Overview for http://bitbet.us/propositions/ |
| 11:26 |
kakobrekla |
also thats an insult |
| 11:26 |
Apocalyptic |
:) |
| 11:26 |
mike_c |
psh, no pebkac. |
| 11:27 |
fluffypony |
glasses maybe? |
| 11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. one glass of scotch |
| 11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
one glass of ice. |
| 11:27 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
!up surf |
| 11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety you still have a btc with me, got an address yet ? |
| 11:29 |
fluffypony |
moiety: just use Instawallet |
| 11:30 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
| 11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 11:32 |
moiety |
i do but there's a lot of time left |
| 11:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00083601 = 5.4341 BTC [-] |
| 11:40 |
kakobrekla |
re propositions and rss, do you ppl want pending and approved/rejected sources or just the latter |
| 11:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2907 @ 0.00083601 = 2.4303 BTC [-] |
| 11:42 |
mircea_popescu |
just dump them all in there with a flag |
| 11:42 |
kakobrekla |
? |
| 11:45 |
mike_c |
that would be more json than rss |
| 11:46 |
kakobrekla |
id rather to json tbh |
| 11:46 |
kakobrekla |
rss is retarded |
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↖ |
| 11:47 |
kakobrekla |
if i would be the author if it, id kill myself. |
| 11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
so do json |
| 11:48 |
mircea_popescu |
IN rss :D |
| 11:48 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c doesn't rss have field extensibility ? you gotta use cdata ? |
| 11:49 |
mike_c |
it's more that rss is for updates. so you have entry for pending, then later an entry for approved/rejected? |
| 11:50 |
kakobrekla |
or 2 sources |
| 11:50 |
fluffypony |
Gaven Andresen answered a question on Reddit, it's nice to know Redditards have switched from religious metaphors to pop culture: |
| 11:50 |
fluffypony |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27ye08/serious_i_couldnt_answer_this_question_when/ci5peas |
| 11:50 |
assbot |
kinoshitajona comments on [Serious] I couldn't answer this question when discussing Bitcoin with my Dad: Isn't it sometimes beneficial to allow governments to stabilise their currency if there is uncontrollable inflation/deflation due to unavoidable events? Wouldn't a global currency cause poorer countries to be left behind? |
| 11:51 |
Mats_cd03 |
lol |
| 11:51 |
mike_c |
how will argentina issue worthless bonds in bitcoin?? |
| 11:52 |
mike_c |
maybe bitbet propositions issue is simply solved by showing all props for last 30 days. |
| 11:52 |
mike_c |
instead of just 50 or whatever |
| 11:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 333 @ 0.00035999 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {3} |
| 11:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 384 @ 0.00035979 = 0.1382 BTC [-] {2} |
| 11:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00082939 = 10.7406 BTC [-] {2} |
| 11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
of fucking course a global currency would cause poorer countriesd to be left behind |
| 11:59 |
benkay |
<mircea_popescu> http://www.youtube.com/embed/76XfV42YvBI < bonus iguazu // holy forces of nature, buttman |
| 11:59 |
assbot |
As estan las Cataratas del Iguazu con la crecida - YouTube |
| 12:00 |
mircea_popescu |
that is the fucking point of currency and more generally life on earth. so that lazier kids get left behind in footbal practice, and that dumber kids get left behind dating |
| 12:00 |
mircea_popescu |
and on and fucking on. |
| 12:00 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay ya, wanna go whitewatering ? :D |
| 12:00 |
chetty |
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2014/06/solar-flares-disrupt-communications-on-earth-could-send-shockwave-on-friday-the-13th/ |
| 12:00 |
assbot |
Solar Flares Disrupt Communications on Earth, Could Send Shockwave on Friday the 13th - ABC News |
| 12:00 |
benkay |
if it gets you in a barrel and over the falls sign me up |
| 12:00 |
mircea_popescu |
o no! |
| 12:01 |
benkay |
oh yes |
| 12:01 |
benkay |
con3 |
| 12:02 |
benkay |
i like this part of the logs where i can ignore the derping about some idiot trying to scam davout |
| 12:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share |
| 12:03 |
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Bet created: "Difficulty change to block 308448 13% or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/907/ |
| 12:07 |
kakobrekla |
anyway http://bitbet.us/propositions/?json and http://bitbet.us/propositions/?json&limit=123 |
| 12:07 |
kakobrekla |
default is 50 |
| 12:09 |
benkay |
wait that was hardly any logs at all |
| 12:10 |
mike_c |
i like how the query parameters are order-dependent :D |
| 12:11 |
mike_c |
http://xkcd.com/927/ |
| 12:11 |
assbot |
xkcd: Standards |
| 12:11 |
benkay |
positional url parameters |
| 12:11 |
benkay |
nice |
| 12:11 |
mike_c |
very pythonic, *args and **kwargs |
| 12:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00082137 = 6.2013 BTC [-] |
| 12:12 |
kakobrekla |
fuck you haxors! |
| 12:12 |
benkay |
"yeah sure, i'll take whatever you throw at me." |
| 12:12 |
benkay |
"just a big gaping hole over here - please to insert datadicks" |
| 12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
did kako just ruin bitbet ? |
| 12:13 |
kakobrekla |
not yet. |
| 12:13 |
benkay |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp56F_UCEAA1UCa.jpg |
| 12:13 |
mike_c |
^ lol |
| 12:14 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/kncminer-releases-photos-neptune-pcb/ |
| 12:16 |
nubbins` |
hi |
| 12:16 |
nubbins` |
lel @ davout |
| 12:16 |
benkay |
mornins |
| 12:16 |
nubbins` |
(re: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=649176.0) |
| 12:16 |
assbot |
New 400 BTC Bounty Pales Roger Ver's 37.6 BTC Bounty for Return of Stolen BTC |
| 12:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00082466 = 21.1113 BTC [+] |
| 12:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 415 @ 0.00035978 = 0.1493 BTC [-] {3} |
| 12:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 387 @ 0.00035957 = 0.1392 BTC [-] |
| 12:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 645 @ 0.00035769 = 0.2307 BTC [-] |
| 12:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00082137 = 22.7519 BTC [-] |
| 12:27 |
nubbins` |
;;view |
| 12:27 |
gribble |
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| 12:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 850 @ 0.00035501 = 0.3018 BTC [-] {2} |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot bigtip |
| 12:43 |
gribble |
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| 12:44 |
bigtip |
;;ratingsystem getrating assbot bigtip |
| 12:44 |
gribble |
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| 12:44 |
bigtip |
;;ratingsystem getrating bigtip |
| 12:44 |
gribble |
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| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
bigtip never seen you before :p |
| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
welcome |
| 12:48 |
* |
bigtip waves |
| 12:52 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea_popescu, the salmon looks really delicious, so far I knew how to cook a similar dish, without the wine and spice though |
| 12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
why without the wine and spice ? |
| 12:54 |
mike_c |
;;seen unbalanced |
| 12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, salmon isvery tolerant. you can eat it raw, you can eat it cooked to any degree |
| 12:54 |
gribble |
unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <unbalanced> Little Bitcoin icon on the package and everything |
| 12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
oft times ill just put it to fire for a few minutes and have it for breakfast |
| 12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c ya tell him to come over |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
i wanna congratulat him on his atc purchase |
| 12:55 |
Apocalyptic |
yeah, I often eat it raw |
| 12:55 |
Apocalyptic |
<mircea_popescu> why without the wine and spice ? // that's the way I learnt it |
| 12:55 |
chetty |
wine is not a usual ingredient of teriyaki |
| 12:55 |
Apocalyptic |
indeed |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
rice wine is, yes! |
| 12:55 |
Apocalyptic |
oh rice wine |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
well ? |
| 12:55 |
chetty |
rice wine vinegar |
| 12:56 |
Apocalyptic |
I don't make my own teriyaki, sadly |
| 12:57 |
chetty |
but to be fair he did say it was heretic version :) and sounds pretty good |
| 12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
balsamic + wine ~= rice wine + vinegar |
| 12:57 |
asciilifeform |
'I realized that Ive never touched a fax machine beforethat its as abstract, for me, as the laser guns...' << clearly never dealt with usg. fax is mandatory to this day! |
| 12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe had lawyers |
| 13:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5047 @ 0.00082466 = 4.1621 BTC [+] |
| 13:01 |
asciilifeform |
afaik usg contractors still submit invoices via fax. |
| 13:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3803 @ 0.00082466 = 3.1362 BTC [+] |
| 13:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31597 @ 0.00082955 = 26.2113 BTC [+] |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
Ok so here's a story : BitBet curently has 19 World Cup bets open. The average bet on these is .175 (excluding house and mpif), like so .79, .44, 0, .21, .60, .10, .54, .03, 0, 0, .01, 0, .05, .28, .01, .04, 0, .11, .11. Now, on top of these, there's no less than 30 bets pending approval on WC, pretty much "X country will advance from groups". |
| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously mods wanted to consult. now, in the spirit of being in argentina and these people loving the wc, i ok'd the whole bulk |
| 13:12 |
* |
asciilifeform read backwards, parsed wc as watercloset |
| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
but, let me point out, this is pretty horrible business for bitbet, per se. and obviously, i'll be using this data to inform further decisions on what to accept. |
| 13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
so logically a) if you wonder later why your zeroconf sports bet got rejected by mods, the reason ios probably here and b) if you want to see sport bets on bitbet, this is a bad time to sit and watch and a great time to get involved. |
| 13:13 |
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Bet created: "Brazil will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/908/ |
| 13:13 |
mike_c |
sport bets do fine on bitbet (see nba finals bets). soccer on the other hand.. |
| 13:15 |
mike_c |
Bet created: "Much grass will grow while waiting for somebody to score a goal" |
| 13:15 |
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Bet created: "Croatia will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/909/ |
| 13:16 |
mike_c |
you argentines should be watching manu ginobli beat the crap out of lebron. |
| 13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously also a great time to affliate bitbet, but then again, i couldn't even find an affiliate manager at all |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently everyone wants to sit on his ass and derp on reddit about things, nobody wants to work anymore |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c what's a manu ginobli |
| 13:17 |
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Bet created: "Mexico will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/910/ |
| 13:17 |
mike_c |
an awesome argentine basketball player currently winning the nba finals. |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
| 13:18 |
mike_c |
there's a couple frenchies winning too. |
| 13:19 |
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Bet created: "Cameroon will advance form the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/911/ |
| 13:19 |
mike_c |
amazingly, after getting drilled in the ribs, one of the frenchies did not immediately give up but played through! |
| 13:19 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 13:21 |
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Bet created: "Spain will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/912/ |
| 13:21 |
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Bet created: "Chile will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/913/ |
| 13:22 |
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Bet created: "Australia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/914/ |
| 13:22 |
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Bet created: "Netherlands will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/915/ |
| 13:27 |
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Bet created: "Colombia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/916/ |
| 13:27 |
nubbins` |
what exactly is an affiliate manager, anyway |
| 13:28 |
nubbins` |
also, what's pacific salmon like? i've only ever had atlantic :( |
| 13:28 |
nubbins` |
except for that one time in japan, but that was a long time ago and also my first sushi experience |
| 13:28 |
nubbins` |
so the whole thing is a bit rose-colored |
| 13:28 |
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Bet created: "Greece will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/917/ |
| 13:30 |
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Bet created: "Japan will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/918/ |
| 13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` this is atlantic noob :D |
| 13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
and an affiliate manager is a guy who knows a lot of affiliate marketeers who trust him. |
| 13:31 |
* |
nubbins` checks world map |
| 13:31 |
* |
asciilifeform only ever heard of 'affiliate marketeer' as euphemism for spammer |
| 13:32 |
nubbins` |
i swear i didn't confuse argentina with chile :( |
| 13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 13:32 |
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Bet created: "Cote d'Ivoire will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/919/ |
| 13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i don't even know what the state of the industry is anymore. 20 years ago you had the legitimate folk and then the dumb noobs pretending, much like in bitcoin |
| 13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe in the meanwhile it died, i dunno. probable, judging by the fact that everyone i used to know back then is off the grid. |
| 13:33 |
kakobrekla |
ascii has it |
| 13:33 |
asciilifeform |
if it was once alive - now dead, replaced by scar tissue |
| 13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess so. sad. |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, in 1994 a good affiliate could send you even 100k clicks which'd convert upwards of 10% |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
at an average sale of ~60, you do the math. |
| 13:35 |
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Bet created: "Uruguay will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/920/ |
| 13:36 |
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Bet created: "Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/921/ |
| 13:36 |
kakobrekla |
i think lots of such people moved to seo and such |
| 13:36 |
kakobrekla |
which is also a scam |
| 13:37 |
benkay |
<mike_c> sport bets do fine on bitbet (see nba finals bets). soccer on the other hand.. // implying footie's not a sport? |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
im prettysure they were doing plenty of seo whatever back then |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
except back then it actually worked |
| 13:37 |
mike_c |
benkay: affirmative. |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
295 results found |
| 13:38 |
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Bet created: "Italy will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/922/ |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/895/yankees-to-get-most-all-star-selections/ |
| 13:38 |
assbot |
BitBet - Yankees to get most all-star selections :: 0.03 B (25%) on Yes, 0.09 B (75%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 94`494 (100`000 to 1) |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
look at that junk |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/887/billy-hamilton-rookie-of-the-year/ |
| 13:38 |
assbot |
BitBet - Billy Hamilton Rookie of the Year :: 0.08 B (45%) on Yes, 0.09 B (55%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 96`230 (100`000 to 1) |
| 13:39 |
Apocalyptic |
heavy betters indeed |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/878/dee-gordon-most-stolen-bases-2014/ |
| 13:39 |
assbot |
BitBet - Dee Gordon, Most Stolen Bases 2014 :: 0.07 B (70%) on Yes, 0.03 B (30%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 92`205 (100`000 to 1) |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/837/nadal-to-win-french-open/ |
| 13:40 |
assbot |
BitBet - Nadal to win French Open :: 0.13 B (59%) on Yes, 0.09 B (41%) on No | closed 1 week 1 day ago |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
basically this is the best proof bitcoin is populated by nerds |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
0 interest in sports. |
| 13:40 |
benkay |
sports betting is a mass thing anyways, isn't it? |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/788/a-golfer-from-usa-will-win-the-2014/ |
| 13:40 |
assbot |
BitBet - A golfer from USA will win the 2014 Masters :: 0.06 B (47%) on Yes, 0.07 B (53%) on No | closed 2 months 2 days ago |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/765/okc-thunder-to-top-nba-regular-season-rankings/ |
| 13:40 |
assbot |
BitBet - OKC Thunder to top NBA regular season rankings :: 0.03 B (30%) on Yes, 0.07 B (70%) on No | closed 2 months 1 day ago |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/879/joel-embiid-to-be-1-nba-draft-pick/ |
| 13:40 |
assbot |
BitBet - Joel Embiid to be #1 NBA Draft Pick :: 0.22 B (71%) on Yes, 0.09 B (29%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 90`156 (100`000 to 75`000) |
| 13:40 |
kakobrekla |
well that kuka bet was kinda interesting until it was shown its scripted |
| 13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c you know nba isn't doing SO much better |
| 13:41 |
diametric |
i can't wait for the berkshire bet to resolve. |
| 13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla right ? nerdiest thing ever. |
| 13:41 |
mike_c |
http://bitbet.us/bet/796/an-eastern-conference-team-will-win-the-nba/ |
| 13:41 |
assbot |
BitBet - An Eastern Conference team will win the NBA Finals :: 0.97 B (43%) on Yes, 1.28 B (57%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago |
| 13:41 |
mike_c |
http://bitbet.us/bet/842/spurs-to-win-2014-nba-finals/ |
| 13:41 |
assbot |
BitBet - Spurs to win 2014 NBA Finals :: 0.8 B (41%) on Yes, 1.13 B (59%) on No | closed 1 week 17 hours ago |
| 13:41 |
kakobrekla |
its sports! |
| 13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c you know break even is 10 btc pool right ? |
| 13:42 |
kakobrekla |
but yea, bitcoin people only interested in bitcoin. |
| 13:42 |
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Bet created: "Switzerland will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/923/ |
| 13:42 |
mike_c |
well, that's not quite true. you do keep one of the house bets. |
| 13:42 |
kakobrekla |
ditch the other categories. |
| 13:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC |
| 13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c a that's true. so i guess 5. |
| 13:43 |
kakobrekla |
new categories: difficulty, price action, stocks, arrests. |
| 13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
well guess what! in the past year there's exactly one sports bet that went over 5. you know which ? |
| 13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
the halep french open one |
| 13:44 |
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Bet created: "Ecuador will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/924/ |
| 13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla definitely sports don't merit their own category im thinking. |
| 13:44 |
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Bet created: "France will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/925/ |
| 13:44 |
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Bet created: "Honduras will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/926/ |
| 13:45 |
kakobrekla |
but it helps to keep that part separated from the good part |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
the way I figure it, if the wc set fails to attract 500 btc total pool, we'll just ditch sports as a category and mostly reject all proposed sports bet without zeroconf |
| 13:45 |
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Bet created: "Argentina will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/927/ |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
just put em all in misc |
| 13:45 |
asciilifeform |
some reason i imagined sport bets were a 'major thing' (not for me personally, but for a mythical 'unwashed mass waiting to arise') |
| 13:46 |
asciilifeform |
turns out, no? |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
seems not. |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
unwashed masses wish to arise THOUGH WAITING |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
not through anythingelse. |
| 13:46 |
* |
asciilifeform recalls betting shop in Timis |
| 13:46 |
kakobrekla |
perhaps yea if its presented circle like |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
tlp actually has a good write-up for this |
| 13:46 |
kakobrekla |
or whatever its called |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla do me a favour, calculat ethe sum pool over the sports bets past 365 days |
| 13:47 |
kakobrekla |
kay |
| 13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes, but that's the same bitcents they do here |
| 13:47 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: one hypothesis: the sports aficionados are... broke |
| 13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe |
| 13:48 |
mike_c |
another: they aren't used to betting on games parimutuel style |
| 13:48 |
|
Bet created: "Bosnia and Herzegovina will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/928/ |
| 13:48 |
los_pantalones |
as a sports betting person myself |
| 13:48 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c prolly a large factor also. |
| 13:48 |
|
Bet created: "Iran will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/929/ |
| 13:48 |
los_pantalones |
i can say the bitbet contracts don't really do it for me |
| 13:48 |
los_pantalones |
b/c i need a very last second bet |
| 13:48 |
los_pantalones |
and live betting during the event |
| 13:48 |
|
Bet created: "Nigeria will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/930/ |
| 13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c the other way to formulate this is, sports bettors are not motivated by the money. they expect specific sorts of services provided |
| 13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
for which bitbet is poorly fitted |
| 13:49 |
los_pantalones |
mircea_popescu like what ? |
| 13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones drinks, tits, streaming game, betting tips, a whole atmosphere such as it is |
| 13:49 |
los_pantalones |
nah nah, i do online |
| 13:49 |
los_pantalones |
i need in game |
| 13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
in exchange for which they don't mind -50% EV |
| 13:50 |
los_pantalones |
but i like trading vol |
| 13:50 |
los_pantalones |
it's not a prediction game |
| 13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
explain this trading vol thing |
| 13:50 |
los_pantalones |
we spoke briefly about this before, bitbet is well suited to get an accurate prediction |
| 13:50 |
los_pantalones |
did you ever use tradesports? |
| 13:50 |
los_pantalones |
back in the day |
| 13:50 |
los_pantalones |
all binary bets |
| 13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't actually bet |
| 13:50 |
los_pantalones |
live before and during event |
| 13:51 |
los_pantalones |
let's say event is mp vs pnts trades 0 to 100 |
| 13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
line style ? |
| 13:51 |
los_pantalones |
no |
| 13:51 |
los_pantalones |
you are pummeling me early, look fat and out of shape |
| 13:51 |
mike_c |
contract bets. with bids/asks. |
| 13:51 |
los_pantalones |
trades near 10 |
| 13:51 |
los_pantalones |
i come back in the second round, look better |
| 13:51 |
los_pantalones |
moves to 20 |
| 13:51 |
los_pantalones |
there is constant volume |
| 13:51 |
los_pantalones |
works really well in basketball |
| 13:52 |
los_pantalones |
big halftime lead, line moves too far to the edge |
| 13:52 |
los_pantalones |
just fade it |
| 13:52 |
los_pantalones |
there is vol in the expectation of the outcome of the event during the event, the price moves |
| 13:52 |
los_pantalones |
i enjoy that |
| 13:52 |
los_pantalones |
i hate the sportsbook type trading |
| 13:52 |
los_pantalones |
where you can only bet one side, so bitbet already better in that regard |
| 13:53 |
los_pantalones |
but still retains the fixed bet part |
| 13:53 |
mircea_popescu |
im not sure why you think what you're describing isn't already present on bitbet. |
| 13:53 |
los_pantalones |
when do the sports bets close? |
| 13:53 |
mircea_popescu |
at some point after the event/ |
| 13:54 |
mike_c |
it doesn't have fixed odds |
| 13:54 |
|
Bet created: "Germany will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/931/ |
| 13:54 |
mike_c |
odds change |
| 13:54 |
|
Bet created: "Portugal will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/932/ |
| 13:54 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones let me translate what you just described in bitbet terms. |
| 13:54 |
mircea_popescu |
so, on 1st of month bet MP vs LP is made. game is set for 5th. bet closes on 7th. |
| 13:54 |
|
Bet created: "Ghana will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/933/ |
| 13:55 |
los_pantalones |
looking at bosnia will advance to group stage, the betting closes 23-06-2014, is that after the last potential match |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
at game start on 5th, weighted pots are 57k MP 33k LP |
| 13:55 |
|
Bet created: "USA will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/934/ |
| 13:55 |
los_pantalones |
ah, well, then i am absolutely wrong |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
and weight is whatever, 85k |
| 13:55 |
los_pantalones |
i was under the impression the bet closed before the event |
| 13:55 |
los_pantalones |
i will now promptly go bet |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
one hour later, weight being 84,500 you decide to buy more LP |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
pot moves 57k to 37k |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
so odds went from |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 57/33 |
| 13:55 |
gribble |
1.72727272727 |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
to |
| 13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 57/37 |
| 13:56 |
gribble |
1.54054054054 |
| 13:56 |
kakobrekla |
;;calc 67703615976/100000000 |
| 13:56 |
gribble |
677.03615976 |
| 13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
then you want to push the other way ? bet a little more on mp. so its now 58k to 37k |
| 13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
etc |
| 13:56 |
los_pantalones |
yes yes, i am a wrong here |
| 13:56 |
los_pantalones |
and here i go |
| 13:56 |
los_pantalones |
to place me bets |
| 13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla that can't be past year. it must be all time |
| 13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones which is why i need a bunch of fucking affiliates |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
to explain this to people, who otherwise would be betting |
| 13:57 |
los_pantalones |
http://bitbet.us/bet/539/brazil-will-win-fifa-world-cup-2014/ |
| 13:57 |
assbot |
BitBet - Brazil will win FIFA World Cup 2014 :: 0.49 B (26%) on Yes, 1.41 B (74%) on No | closing in 1 day 6 hours | weight: 486 (100`000 to 1) |
| 13:57 |
|
Bet created: "Algeria will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/935/ |
| 13:57 |
los_pantalones |
this closes in 1 day |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
AND the beauty of parimutuel is that you can always adjust your exposure to a pot % |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
so you never motherfucking get taken out of the game |
| 13:57 |
|
Bet created: "Russia will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/936/ |
| 13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
you wish to have 1% of the pot, you can make sure you do no matter what happens |
| 13:58 |
mike_c |
*provided infinite capital. |
| 13:58 |
los_pantalones |
why does this brazil to win bet close in 30 hours ? |
| 13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c provided you own the % of total world capital that you wish your % of the pool to be |
| 13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
if you own 1% of all bitcoin, you're guaranteed a 1% slice of any bet pool you ever wish to have. |
| 13:58 |
|
Bet created: "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/937/ |
| 13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones oh fuck. |
| 13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
you bring a motherfucking VERY GOOD POINT don't you,. |
| 13:59 |
los_pantalones |
ok, i'm not crazy! |
| 13:59 |
kakobrekla |
bah i always mix gte and lte. |
| 13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i broke the model in the implementation ;/ |
| 13:59 |
los_pantalones |
yes! |
| 13:59 |
los_pantalones |
say it! |
| 13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus fuck. |
| 13:59 |
los_pantalones |
say "my bad" |
| 13:59 |
kakobrekla |
258.82066273 satoshi over 166 |
| 13:59 |
los_pantalones |
here i was, feeling like a lazy asshole |
| 13:59 |
kakobrekla |
eh |
| 13:59 |
kakobrekla |
satoshi = btc |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones my bad :D |
| 14:00 |
los_pantalones |
nice! |
| 14:00 |
los_pantalones |
i can die a happy man |
| 14:00 |
kakobrekla |
;;calc 258/166 |
| 14:00 |
gribble |
1.55421686747 |
| 14:00 |
kakobrekla |
O_o |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, this bitchfest of mine has yielded quite actionable advice from the chan that's +IQ |
| 14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
specifically, i'll make the mods put close dates for sports bets AFTER the event. |
| 14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla of which 201 arefrom the cointoss |
| 14:01 |
los_pantalones |
sweet, the existing WC events will be adjusted |
| 14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
so 57 over 166. |
| 14:01 |
los_pantalones |
or just for future |
| 14:01 |
los_pantalones |
b/c i would like to participate |
| 14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
meh. |
| 14:02 |
mircea_popescu |
o how have i sinned ;/ |
| 14:02 |
benkay |
too bad about that mircea_popescu bitbet, eh |
| 14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla hey listen, we take the close date on the recent WC batch from 24th to 26th ? |
| 14:04 |
kakobrekla |
i hate you but ok |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
i hate me too. |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones there. |
| 14:05 |
kakobrekla |
from which to which id is this ? |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
908 to 937 |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
and add 1 to close too |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
26 close 27 resolve |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
give people a fucking chance with the bets clearing |
| 14:08 |
kakobrekla |
not all end the same day as it is now |
| 14:08 |
kakobrekla |
we want all on 26 regardless ? |
| 14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
hm lemme look at this again |
| 14:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25037377 BTC [-] |
| 14:09 |
chetty |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2656101/Clever-boy-Dogs-prefer-EARN-treats-solving-problems-receiving-handouts.html |
| 14:09 |
assbot |
Clever boy! Dogs prefer to EARN treats by solving problems, rather than receiving handouts | Mail Online |
| 14:09 |
kakobrekla |
some are 23th some 24th |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
just do it like this : current resolutrion date becomes close date |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
new resolution date becomes that +1 day |
| 14:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25036387 = 0.5007 BTC [-] |
| 14:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02982307 = 0.3877 BTC [+] {2} |
| 14:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder if people's cvs will end up including links to ba logs where i go "my bad" |
| 14:13 |
los_pantalones |
great point |
| 14:13 |
los_pantalones |
i will def list that |
| 14:14 |
benkay |
mine has the links to my few good ideas |
| 14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
o and ALSO... make close weight 10k |
| 14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla ^ |
| 14:15 |
kakobrekla |
rm -rf /bitbet |
| 14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
:( |
| 14:15 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: knuth's typo cheques |
| 14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yeah i was thinking that |
| 14:16 |
los_pantalones |
oh come to think of it, i love the decay feature of the bitbet on a live event |
| 14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones yes but 100k to 1 is too much for sports. |
| 14:16 |
los_pantalones |
prevents all the last minute people glomming onto the trade |
| 14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
consider our case. bet is made on 1st. weight is 100k. if someone puts 10 btc on it then, it's sealed. |
| 14:16 |
los_pantalones |
yeah, agreed, just hadn't even thought that through |
| 14:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2200 @ 0.0000628 = 0.1382 BTC [-] |
| 14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
but if the most it collects is the few bicents we mostly get currently, |
| 14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
then a few bitcoin bets during the event make sense, even if they're 1/10 weight |
| 14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
but NOT if they're 1/100000 |
| 14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
so from now on, sports bets will end at 10k, and close after the event. |
| 14:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4576 @ 0.00082137 = 3.7586 BTC [-] |
| 14:18 |
los_pantalones |
mircea_popescu, you are a gentleman and a scholar, tyvm |
| 14:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25038479 BTC [+] |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
!up PoUpA |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
this should also work nicely with []bot's live streaming of bets. |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
-assets will become this place to watch sports! |
| 14:20 |
los_pantalones |
just what we all wanted |
| 14:20 |
los_pantalones |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7u9hP4r1S8&feature=kp |
| 14:20 |
assbot |
Sports! | Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! | Adult Swim - YouTube |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
no idea what i'll do with this entertainment section tho, it's even more fucked up than sports currently. |
| 14:21 |
asciilifeform |
potentially serious flaw: -assets cannot yet pour beer. |
| 14:21 |
Apocalyptic |
beer is overrated |
| 14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
and with this little adventure, Confirmed bets: 10009 |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
we crossed 10k |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
Confirmed total: 14820 BTC. so like 1.482 btc average pool |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
| 14:24 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 616.93, Best ask: 618.88, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 616.93, 24 hour volume: 8565.07142918, 24 hour low: 613.71, 24 hour high: 640.79, 24 hour vwap: 623.452038028 |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 623.452038028 * 1.482 |
| 14:24 |
gribble |
923.955920357 |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
| 14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/comment/blonde-james-bond-funny-pictures-634373.jpeg |
| 14:27 |
benkay |
o.O |
| 14:27 |
benkay |
more girls naked in public please and less...horrorshow. |
| 14:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25038589 BTC [+] |
| 14:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25039089 = 0.5008 BTC [+] {2} |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
a ok |
| 14:30 |
kakobrekla |
>Confirmed bets: 10044 |
| 14:30 |
kakobrekla |
thanks to sports spam. |
| 14:30 |
kakobrekla |
but hey, congrats mircea_popescu . |
| 14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
no u |
| 14:30 |
kakobrekla |
NO U |
| 14:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25039599 = 0.5008 BTC [+] |
| 14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
:* |
| 14:31 |
kakobrekla |
<3 |
| 14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
wait is that a heart or a butt |
| 14:32 |
asciilifeform |
gramophone horn |
| 14:32 |
jurov |
i hate how this question comes to me at exactly such moment.. S.MPOE dividend was not paid yet? |
| 14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov which one ? |
| 14:32 |
jurov |
may |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
may smpoe report will come june with the june report |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
twas in teh logs |
| 14:33 |
jurov |
ok |
| 14:33 |
kakobrekla |
<mircea_popescu> wait is that a heart or a butt < buartt |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 14:34 |
jurov |
and thus, "it's in the logs" meme was born. |
| 14:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17327 @ 0.00082239 = 14.2496 BTC [+] {2} |
| 14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, to try and patch things up with benkay |
| 14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
http://37.media.tumblr.com/480ed4c73785526aafbf545c3de32dc7/tumblr_n0ub91DyCI1sn33z3o1_400.jpg |
| 14:38 |
benkay |
so underwhelm. |
| 14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/f84c58f51f22c78593520d54d4d2a3ff/tumblr_n1wk269E0E1ro88meo1_500.jpg |
| 14:40 |
benkay |
mas |
| 14:40 |
benkay |
<3 |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
http://37.media.tumblr.com/67144e7e062eccc1d53429021583efda/tumblr_n5wy0rykS41s9e2ofo1_500.jpg |
| 14:42 |
benkay |
haha excellent. |
| 14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
perv. |
| 14:43 |
jurov |
it's possible to have direct links for a category? |
| 14:44 |
jurov |
http://bitbet.us/browse/?filtercat=Sports does not work |
| 14:44 |
assbot |
Browse BitBet |
| 14:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00082672 = 30.0926 BTC [+] |
| 14:45 |
jurov |
i want to spam around with "bet on worldcup nao", such link would help |
| 14:45 |
jurov |
ofc it should accept ?ref |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla might be able to halp :D |
| 14:45 |
kakobrekla |
http://bitbet.us/browse/sports/ |
| 14:45 |
assbot |
Browse BitBet |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay http://38.media.tumblr.com/d108bbd1b3fe167f8aeebcfbceccd90b/tumblr_n5wx6awLOi1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg |
| 14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
and http://24.media.tumblr.com/0c9afc9d5501435c6196c8cf11861901/tumblr_n5wx2kmAoy1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg |
| 14:45 |
kakobrekla |
it accepts ref |
| 14:46 |
jurov |
lol kakobrekla, that was very exhausting answer |
| 14:46 |
kakobrekla |
categories are linked from single bet view |
| 14:46 |
kakobrekla |
you can click on cat name |
| 14:47 |
kakobrekla |
except if its manul. |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 14:47 |
jurov |
i see, it's helpfully nod underlined |
| 14:47 |
jurov |
*not |
| 14:47 |
kakobrekla |
yeah i hate underline. |
| 14:47 |
jurov |
;;slap kakobrekla |
| 14:47 |
* |
gribble slaps kakobrekla with a parenthetical clay |
| 14:47 |
kakobrekla |
dafuq dat hurt |
| 14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
"I have no interest at all in shooting 4K for adult. It's all I can do to make some of these models look good in "HD". It's way too much definition for some girls" |
| 14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ajahaha poorpeople. |
| 14:48 |
jurov |
can't you at least make the link bluish? |
| 14:49 |
kakobrekla |
its underlined nao |
| 14:49 |
jurov |
oh thx (^^) |
| 14:49 |
kakobrekla |
:* <3 |
| 14:51 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ajahaha poorpeople << still not convinced that this fascinating 'poverty of the spirit' has much to do with money |
| 14:51 |
chetty |
https://blockchain.info/tx/7ecad9a3e67bebda52c0bdafb53863938b86e30e58eb179aec747903b50baa2d |
| 14:51 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Transaction 7ecad9a3e67bebda52c0bdafb53863938b86e30e58eb179aec747903b50baa2d |
| 14:52 |
benkay |
good spot, chetty |
| 14:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35995 @ 0.00083099 = 29.9115 BTC [+] {3} |
| 14:54 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: related? http://www.coindesk.com/vc-firm-bid-fbi-silk-road-bitcoins |
| 14:54 |
assbot |
VC Firm Makes Bid for FBIs Seized Silk Road Bitcoins |
| 14:56 |
chetty |
I guess so |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/us/politics/eric-cantor-loses-gop-primary.html |
| 14:56 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
har har. |
| 14:57 |
jurov |
lol i read the link as "loses gpg primary" |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
| 14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
haha |
| 14:58 |
chetty |
first time in history that a 'party leader' lost in a primary, maybe there is hope for the ussa |
| 14:58 |
princessnell |
yes i am very happy about that |
| 14:59 |
princessnell |
i don't think there's much hope but i always enjoy when the lizards have to scramble http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-11/boeing-tumbles-as-cantor-loss-clouds-ex-im-bank-s-future.html |
| 14:59 |
assbot |
Boeing Tumbles as Cantor Loss Clouds Ex-Im Banks Future - Bloomberg |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: about as interesting, imho, as... the death of andropov |
| 15:01 |
chetty |
well it prolly wont make a drop of difference, but it feels good for a split second |
| 15:01 |
princessnell |
right :) |
| 15:01 |
asciilifeform |
exactly this |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 15:19 |
TomServo |
It should be noted that the FBI has a lot of bitcoins to sell. In addition to drug-tainted Silk Road coins, the FBI has a much bigger stash: an estimate from Casey Research puts the figure between 5% and 10% of all bitcoins in circulation. |
| 15:19 |
TomServo |
^ First I've heard of that, is this common knowledge? |
| 15:22 |
mike_c |
;;calc 132000 / 12000000 |
| 15:22 |
gribble |
0.011 |
| 15:22 |
mike_c |
5% seems high to me |
| 15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
ok this beats all. |
| 15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
you're not going to believe it |
| 15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
argentines don't install fiber WHILE IT RAINS |
| 15:24 |
chetty |
hahahaha |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
TomServo its neither common knowledge nor actually ever documented |
| 15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
it is perhaps true, in that they've been mining like crazy |
| 15:27 |
TomServo |
mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I've got an alarm set to check in with you, in what - 49 years now? For your proof. :P |
| 15:32 |
chetty |
fbi informants demand to be paid in bitcoin!!!! (pass it on, makes a great rumor) |
| 15:32 |
Blazedout419 |
!up only |
| 15:32 |
Blazedout419 |
;;gettrust assbot only |
| 15:32 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user only: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=only | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=only | Rated since: Mon Feb 17 18:33:39 2014 |
| 15:32 |
Blazedout419 |
;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419 |
| 15:32 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013 |
| 15:34 |
only |
anyone know what is happening? |
| 15:35 |
only |
https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX |
| 15:35 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Address 1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX |
| 15:35 |
only |
https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH |
| 15:35 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
only read the logs ? |
| 15:35 |
only |
mircea_popescu nope, sorry, am reading them right now |
| 15:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0299996 = 0.39 BTC [+] |
| 15:40 |
only |
good biz for Eliptic, I guess |
| 15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile a message from the queen |
| 15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/5baa69490a40a93eba2436a35774380c/tumblr_mfrfgzfSCg1s1k6u9o1_500.gif |
| 15:45 |
chetty |
last time oil was getting this high we had a market crash ..............look out below |
| 15:47 |
jurov |
http://gigaom.com/2014/06/12/clever-piece-of-code-exposes-hidden-changes-to-supreme-court-opinions/ lmao law bitrot |
| 15:47 |
assbot |
Clever piece of code exposes hidden changes to Supreme Court opinions — Tech News and Analysis |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
no gpg, no security. |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/512146b35c62c25752e0aead1faa9b61/tumblr_n5wvm5AW7p1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg |
| 15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov isn't this minitruth quite exactly ? |
| 15:48 |
jurov |
quite. |
| 15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
im going to make sure and raise this objection to the us supreme court's competence in any case before it, that it is unqualified to sit as a court because it scams with its published decisions. |
| 15:51 |
fluffypony |
this looks amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8s3erGGF90 |
| 15:51 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 15:51 |
assbot |
Paddington - Official Trailer - The Weinstein Company - YouTube |
| 15:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1127 @ 0.00082844 = 0.9337 BTC [-] |
| 16:01 |
asciilifeform |
re scotus retcon diddling, obligatory: |
| 16:01 |
asciilifeform |
http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm |
| 16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i dunno how someone could seriously propose they're a chief justice and not gpg sign |
| 16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like some broad in new york cca 1700 pretending she's a fashion guru and not washing |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it gets better. military brass (sometimes! optionally!) signs. but with what: ms-outlook plugin. |
| 16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
sad |
| 16:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: key stored in what: employee badge. |
| 16:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Approving the Billy Hamilton bet was a mistake. There's no attractive reason to go in on yes, even as a longshot. He's fast whis is exciting, but fast doesn't win any "of the year" awards. |
| 16:05 |
asciilifeform |
this, one should note, is when they're 'flying the mahogany bomber.' in the field, these folks have ancient hardware that does something like civilized crypto |
| 16:06 |
asciilifeform |
(as described here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323) |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. |
| 16:06 |
benkay |
princessnell: is http://thecurioustask.tumblr.com/post/88526387754/hey-look-what-i-made-pretty-cool-huh this a chart of how much the various countries are subsidizing exports? |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
hey look what i made. pretty cool huh. - Mystery of the Mundane |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.070706 = 0.1414 BTC [+] |
| 16:08 |
princessnell |
benkay specifically, of medium/long-term loan guarantees from G-7 export credit agencies |
| 16:08 |
princessnell |
there's a ton more subsidies that aren't counted |
| 16:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] |
| 16:11 |
benkay |
fascinating. |
| 16:12 |
benkay |
so this is why the peso isn't doomed. |
| 16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
princessnell shouldn't they be accounted ? |
| 16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!up terpy |
| 16:14 |
mircea_popescu |
terpy who're you ? |
| 16:15 |
princessnell |
mircea_popescu this graph is meant to address a specific policy issue. but sure someone should be keeping tabs on that. |
| 16:15 |
davout |
pankkake: "it comes with a special status" <<< a mod in a local section of the forum isn't much more than a glorified janitor |
| 16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
princessnell a ok. |
| 16:16 |
davout |
pankkake: granted i get access to some additionnal derpage in the form of access to the "staff" section |
| 16:17 |
davout |
(also donators, where goat made some splendid display of butthurt) |
| 16:17 |
fluffypony |
BingoBoingo: I saw a great baseball play a few days ago - huge hit into outfield, outfielder duffs the catch (bounces off his glove), has this brief moment of confusion before running after it and lobbing it all the way back to home base, and the batter is run out. Now I can't find it. Jog any memories? |
| 16:19 |
jurov |
!up BigBitz |
| 16:20 |
jurov |
!up BigBitz |
| 16:22 |
los_pantalones |
fluffypony yoenis cespedes |
| 16:22 |
los_pantalones |
he did it twice now |
| 16:22 |
los_pantalones |
in a short period of time |
| 16:22 |
mike_c |
the new price chart is awesome. i <3 atc.blockr.io |
| 16:22 |
fluffypony |
los_pantalones: tks |
| 16:23 |
fluffypony |
los_pantalones: that throw was insane, I couldn't believe the distance it covered, and it looked like such a lazy lob |
| 16:25 |
mircea_popescu |
would be even better with volume :D |
| 16:31 |
BingoBoingo |
fluffypony: That happens at least once a week probably... |
| 16:31 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
| 16:31 |
atcbot |
16k@260 35k@250 2k@240 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140 |
| 16:33 |
BingoBoingo |
fluffypony: Now on Friday one of the actually rare triple plays happened, though no the still rarer unassisted version http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/06/06/cardinals-turn-triple-play/10109459/ |
| 16:33 |
assbot |
Cardinals turn triple play with bases loaded |
| 16:34 |
los_pantalones |
only 2 things i enjoy about baseball... |
| 16:34 |
los_pantalones |
1) yelling "BALK" |
| 16:34 |
los_pantalones |
2) someone stealing home |
| 16:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Those are great things. |
| 16:34 |
asciilifeform |
what's 'balk'? like 'tilt' in pinball? |
| 16:35 |
BingoBoingo |
I also like fan interference |
| 16:35 |
los_pantalones |
if the pitcher starts to go into his pitching motion towards the plate |
| 16:35 |
los_pantalones |
but then stops |
| 16:35 |
los_pantalones |
and does anything elese |
| 16:35 |
los_pantalones |
runners advance |
| 16:35 |
asciilifeform |
false-start ? |
| 16:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah |
| 16:35 |
los_pantalones |
it's the most subjective call in most sports |
| 16:35 |
los_pantalones |
one of* |
| 16:35 |
BingoBoingo |
All of the great completely subjective calls live in baseball |
| 16:36 |
los_pantalones |
you could call balk one out of every 3 pitches |
| 16:36 |
los_pantalones |
in my "pulled totally out of my ass" book of stats |
| 16:36 |
Apocalyptic |
los_pantalones, note that he can properly pull out of the pitching motion |
| 16:36 |
Apocalyptic |
then he's allowed to do whatever he wants |
| 16:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Delay of game is another one of those things called too infrequently. By the book the pitcher has 12 seconds to unload the ball |
| 16:37 |
los_pantalones |
i like yelling "Defensive 3 seconds" at bball games too |
| 16:37 |
los_pantalones |
i'm that horrible person that shouldn't be there in the 1st place |
| 16:39 |
BingoBoingo |
At least it isn't the traditional Philadelphia throwing of batteries. |
| 16:43 |
BingoBoingo |
The meta-game of trying to call Tommy Johns surgeries well in advance is also an interesting game. |
| 16:47 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/harrison-ford-injured-star-wars-711457 |
| 16:47 |
assbot |
Harrison Ford Injured on the 'Star Wars: Episode VII' Set - Hollywood Reporter |
| 16:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0238 = 0.119 BTC [+] |
| 16:51 |
BingoBoingo |
%diff |
| 16:51 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 489020.64 in 1120 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.64 |
| 16:58 |
kakobrekla |
;;ticker |
| 16:58 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 586.5, Best ask: 588.7, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 586.5, 24 hour volume: 14120.94970484, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 635.0, 24 hour vwap: 614.907414164 |
| 16:58 |
mike_c |
feds are scaring people |
| 16:58 |
kakobrekla |
500 here we come. |
| 16:59 |
bitcoinpete |
;;bc,stats |
| 17:00 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 305478 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 953 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 16 hours, 8 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12475321178.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.11378 |
| 17:00 |
bitcoinpete |
back to almost 96k th/s |
| 17:01 |
bitcoinpete |
kakobrekla: time to load up |
| 17:04 |
fluffypony |
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/holy-crap-nasas-interplanetary-spaceship-concept-is-fr-1589001939 |
| 17:04 |
assbot |
NASA's real life Enterprise may take us to other star systems one day |
| 17:05 |
kakobrekla |
bitcoinpete im always as loaded up as i can be. |
| 17:05 |
bitcoinpete |
kakobrekla: lol ya same |
| 17:06 |
bitcoinpete |
fluffypony: when we can fund nasa for a year with a single btc, i say we ipo that thing |
| 17:07 |
fluffypony |
bitcoinpete: why not IPO the IPO right now? |
| 17:08 |
bitcoinpete |
on fluffex? |
| 17:08 |
bitcoinpete |
the other real bitcoin stock exchange |
| 17:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19464 @ 0.0008283 = 16.122 BTC [-] |
| 17:08 |
fluffypony |
hmmmmm |
| 17:08 |
fluffypony |
maybe we should do it properly |
| 17:08 |
fluffypony |
distributed anonymous corporation |
| 17:08 |
jurov |
first, only and fluffy |
| 17:08 |
kakobrekla |
-- |
| 17:08 |
fluffypony |
on MasterFluff |
| 17:08 |
kakobrekla |
many hater here but our statistic say all: |
| 17:08 |
kakobrekla |
7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us! |
| 17:08 |
kakobrekla |
and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit |
| 17:08 |
kakobrekla |
-- |
| 17:08 |
fluffypony |
you have to buy Fluffcoins |
| 17:09 |
Apocalyptic |
Fluffmaid imo |
| 17:09 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 17:09 |
fluffypony |
SafeFluff |
| 17:09 |
bitcoinpete |
fluffereum |
| 17:09 |
fluffypony |
then you can use your SafeFluffs to trade on Fluffmade |
| 17:09 |
fluffypony |
or sell shares on Myfluffyium Local Trader |
| 17:09 |
bitcoinpete |
and buy on fluffstamp |
| 17:09 |
Apocalyptic |
where is that from kako ? |
| 17:10 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: sounds like a typical HYIP |
| 17:10 |
kakobrekla |
Apocalyptic , the best forum in the universe (fuck maddox yeah) many hater here but our statistic say all: |
| 17:10 |
kakobrekla |
7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us! |
| 17:10 |
kakobrekla |
and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit |
| 17:10 |
kakobrekla |
o fuck |
| 17:10 |
kakobrekla |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=610197.msg7278003#msg7278003 |
| 17:10 |
assbot |
Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet |
| 17:10 |
kakobrekla |
bad paste there sorry. |
| 17:10 |
Apocalyptic |
ty |
| 17:11 |
Apocalyptic |
url says it all, I see nao |
| 17:12 |
kakobrekla |
fluffypony you gonna do GLFSE too ? |
| 17:13 |
fluffypony |
LOL |
| 17:13 |
fluffypony |
BitcoinFlourse |
| 17:13 |
* |
davout tips some floge to kakobrekla fluffypony bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic |
| 17:13 |
davout |
let's invite flotcoin and have some fun |
| 17:14 |
kakobrekla |
floge? |
| 17:14 |
kakobrekla |
;;ud floge |
| 17:14 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Floge | The hole left behind from a penis piercing, a derogatory term for any real douche- bag (man that Matt Damon is such a floge) |
| 17:14 |
fluffypony |
Flogecoin of course |
| 17:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00082576 = 26.5069 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:14 |
fluffypony |
or that... |
| 17:17 |
davout |
<+fluffypony> Flogecoin of course <<< this |
| 17:18 |
davout |
floge -> "The hole left behind from a penis piercing" <<< don't forget to floss! |
| 17:20 |
fluffypony |
LOL |
| 17:20 |
bitcoinpete |
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you spend entirely too much time on usagi. << is that possible? |
| 17:20 |
fluffypony |
so after S.LIMBS I think mircea_popescu is going to have to do an F.LUFFY |
| 17:20 |
bitcoinpete |
laugh a day... |
| 17:21 |
bitcoinpete |
f.luffy: the enterprise solution for the starship enterprise |
| 17:21 |
fluffypony |
LOL |
| 17:22 |
dub |
f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax |
| 17:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00082988 = 24.2325 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:23 |
bitcoinpete |
spaceporn |
| 17:23 |
bitcoinpete |
now we're talking |
| 17:23 |
Apocalyptic |
dat klye... |
| 17:23 |
bitcoinpete |
we can americanize that japanese shit |
| 17:24 |
jurov |
africanize |
| 17:24 |
jurov |
like, hentai with black characters? |
| 17:27 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
| 17:27 |
fluffypony |
F.LUFF - First Best Greatest Africanized Spacepronz |
| 17:27 |
dub |
;;ud fluffer |
| 17:27 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fluffer | fluffer. (noun) a person in the adult entertainment industry whose job it is to give male porno stars blowjobs in order to get them ready to perform. Where's my ... |
| 17:28 |
davout |
dub: lmao |
| 17:30 |
bitcoinpete |
jurov: precisely. then sell it back to the chinese civilizers there |
| 17:33 |
benkay |
http://www.usmarshals.gov/assets/2014/bitcoins/ |
| 17:33 |
assbot |
USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale |
| 17:34 |
mike_c |
oh wow |
| 17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
!up sHINOBI_CZ |
| 17:35 |
kakobrekla |
-assets should make a bid, like 29500. |
| 17:36 |
mike_c |
!bid 29501 |
| 17:36 |
bitcoinpete |
"On Monday, June 30, 2014, by 5:00 P.M. EST, the USMS will notify the winning bidder/bidders that their bid/bids has/have been selected." |
| 17:36 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla so is this bccb v2.0 ? |
| 17:36 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: you need $200k as a deposit just to bid |
| 17:36 |
jborkl |
mike_c would you give me your opinion of the blue blocks on bcoinnews |
| 17:36 |
kakobrekla |
fluffypony so? |
| 17:37 |
mike_c |
this does not include DPR coins, so.. they don't have control of them? |
| 17:37 |
dub |
;;market sell 29501 |
| 17:37 |
gribble |
Bitstamp | A market order to sell 29501 bitcoins right now would net 9166242.2850 USD and would take the last price down to 1.4500 USD, resulting in an average price of 310.7095 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 26.0473 seconds |
| 17:37 |
jborkl |
like or no like |
| 17:37 |
kakobrekla |
no, just offer btc straight |
| 17:37 |
bitcoinpete |
;;market buy 29501 |
| 17:37 |
gribble |
Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 18158.097 bitcoins, for a total of 19094927.9273 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 45.2129 seconds |
| 17:37 |
kakobrekla |
no conversion. |
| 17:37 |
davout |
nice dip! x.eur to the moon! |
| 17:37 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 17:37 |
kakobrekla |
its gonna be the highest bid. |
| 17:37 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/06/target_breach_cyberinsurance_is_a_mess.html |
| 17:37 |
assbot |
Target breach: Cyberinsurance is a mess. |
| 17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
<dub> f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax << lol |
| 17:38 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu you mean the bankster ? |
| 17:38 |
bitcoinpete |
this sale will provide some of the best price signal in months |
| 17:38 |
mike_c |
"Transfer Fees. Any transfer fees associated with the transfer of the bitcoins will be paid by the buyer." |
| 17:39 |
kakobrekla |
o fuck then we are out. |
| 17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"The USMS will not transfer bitcoins to an obscene public address, a public address apparently in a country restricted by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), a public address apparently associated with terrorism, other criminal activities, or otherwise hostile to the United States." |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
someone warned them about BingoBoingo buying it |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla yeah |
| 17:40 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
| 17:40 |
mike_c |
hah! kako's bid doesn't count. i'm lowering my bid to 29499 |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
why wouldn't it cunt? |
| 17:40 |
mike_c |
he's a foreigner. |
| 17:41 |
fluffypony |
so they won't transfer it to my 1fuck address? |
| 17:41 |
fluffypony |
disappointing. |
| 17:41 |
kakobrekla |
anyway at the rate btc is going this will be pocket money by friday |
| 17:41 |
BingoBoingo |
wait fluffypony you've never seen my vanity address? |
| 17:42 |
fluffypony |
BingoBoingo: no? |
| 17:42 |
BingoBoingo |
1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 |
| 17:42 |
fluffypony |
LOL |
| 17:42 |
mircea_popescu |
"its very easy to fuck members serious, hard work -please dont talk shit without any evidence." |
| 17:43 |
mike_c |
i hope warren buys them all |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
scammer : here's a link to a list of registered businesses. we're the 5th |
| 17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
forum dumb : a tyvm that does a lot. |
| 17:45 |
Apocalyptic |
^ |
| 17:45 |
BingoBoingo |
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/man-arrested-for-parodying-mayor-on-twitter-files-civil-rights-lawsuit/ |
| 17:45 |
assbot |
Man arrested for parodying mayor on Twitter files civil rights lawsuit | Ars Technica |
| 17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
"BurtW - be honest and say the true, nobody scammed you, you sent to a other address your bitcoins" |
| 17:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00082565 = 14.1186 BTC [-] |
| 17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
burt is kinda putting the elbow grease in huh |
| 17:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Where is this conversation like thing? |
| 17:49 |
BingoBoingo |
Actual auction dealbreaker "All interested parties must first register with the USMS." |
| 17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo it's piss anyway. some us side fund will buy it, sell it to us, then lose the records. usms can suck it. |
| 17:52 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: And through all of this the Marshalls will be powerless to keep the coins from vulgar addresses that have yet to be imagined. |
| 17:53 |
fluffypony |
"We are in violent agreement." |
| 17:53 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 17:55 |
Apocalyptic |
I don't even... |
| 17:56 |
pankkake |
davout: but no VIP section? |
| 17:57 |
pankkake |
wow btc going down |
| 17:57 |
TheNewDeal |
I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up |
| 17:57 |
pankkake |
understandable, no one should take their users serisously |
| 17:57 |
pankkake |
well I bought at 480 EUR, hoping to quickly trade it. anothe fail |
| 17:58 |
pankkake |
as long as bitcointalk is a thing btc will stay <1000 |
| 17:59 |
davout |
pankkake: dem sikrit sections i see -> http://i.imgur.com/wqy9zV2.png |
| 17:59 |
pankkake |
oh, so a VIP restricted thing. nothing about me in that one? |
| 17:59 |
jborkl |
6 in a row for ghash |
| 17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
<TheNewDeal> I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up << lol |
| 18:00 |
pankkake |
somehow I feel usagi knew something, and that's why he deleted his post about me "deleting" my posts |
| 18:01 |
Apocalyptic |
<pankkake> somehow I feel usagi knew something // I have trouble to believe that |
| 18:01 |
pankkake |
lol |
| 18:01 |
kakobrekla |
maybe he knew the window isnt real. |
| 18:01 |
davout |
pankkake: the guy is vip? |
| 18:01 |
pankkake |
I thought it was the spoon |
| 18:01 |
pankkake |
davout: all scammers are vip |
| 18:02 |
kakobrekla |
or mods! |
| 18:02 |
davout |
i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy |
| 18:02 |
pankkake |
I'm not kidding, the majority of them ran scams |
| 18:02 |
davout |
kakobrekla: OR FRENCH |
| 18:02 |
kakobrekla |
:D |
| 18:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.0238 = 1.2614 BTC [-] |
| 18:02 |
pankkake |
davout: me neither, they just haven't kept up with the new breed of fail |
| 18:02 |
pankkake |
it's just that usagi is "still there" |
| 18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
<davout> i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy << he's diligently stupid and has been for a long time. |
| 18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
our very own ito calculus expert. |
| 18:02 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: at least he's reliable |
| 18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
in this. |
| 18:03 |
pankkake |
but you know there's a guy with huge green trust that still has posts saying pirate isn't a ponzi |
| 18:03 |
Apocalyptic |
pankkake, shocking ! |
| 18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pastebin.com/mKui8iHr |
| 18:03 |
assbot |
Sep 05 00:10:53 *copumpkin throws usagi an ito integral Sep 05 00:12:22 <mirce - Pastebin.com |
| 18:03 |
Apocalyptic |
the forum is a cesspool |
| 18:03 |
pankkake |
pretty much all VIPs defaulted at some point |
| 18:05 |
chetty |
http://www.usmarshals.gov/assets/2014/bitcoins/ |
| 18:05 |
assbot |
USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale |
| 18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty logs :D |
| 18:05 |
TheNewDeal |
chetty https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z |
| 18:05 |
assbot |
Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip |
| 18:05 |
pankkake |
lol |
| 18:05 |
TheNewDeal |
I'm gonna try and promote that one for the next week or so |
| 18:06 |
TheNewDeal |
be forwarned |
| 18:06 |
chetty |
lmao take an hour off and I{m way behind around here |
| 18:06 |
pankkake |
"Cash. The bid must be an all cash offer. Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered." eh |
| 18:06 |
jborkl |
davout : Usagi came up with the zero risk asset class - class a is owned by class b - class b is owned by class c and class c owns a and b so there is no risk |
| 18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal not bad |
| 18:07 |
TheNewDeal |
oh my gosh. 200k is forfeited to the USMS if you don't secure a bid |
| 18:08 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: wow 2012 logs |
| 18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony sure. |
| 18:08 |
fluffypony |
didn't realise he's been an ass-hat for *that* long |
| 18:08 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea_popescu, so much pretense in that usagi log extract |
| 18:08 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: haha nice paste |
| 18:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02372075 = 0.2372 BTC [-] |
| 18:08 |
TheNewDeal |
nvm read that wrong |
| 18:08 |
davout |
pankkake: didn't find much |
| 18:08 |
Apocalyptic |
Seems like he dropped it by now |
| 18:08 |
fluffypony |
my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed |
| 18:09 |
davout |
pankkake: he did start a "Donator money" thread but that's about it |
| 18:09 |
fluffypony |
Apocalyptic: he told me that *I don't even know* the stuff he's working on, and by trolling *I've messed up and am going to miss out big* on his super-sekrit stuff |
| 18:10 |
davout |
wasn't he that guy that wanted to start some sort of pottery-related business? |
| 18:12 |
pankkake |
if he's writting a web wallet as he claims, he will have a hard tard convincing he's not inputs.io 2.0 |
| 18:12 |
pankkake |
anyway, the web wallets fails make me sad. I think offchain transactions have their uses |
| 18:12 |
Apocalyptic |
which he obviously is |
| 18:12 |
fluffypony |
when that comes up he says he's not writing a web wallet and "you don't even KNOW the stuff I'm writing that's so amazing it'll make the queen's testicles fall off" |
| 18:12 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 18:14 |
dub |
davout: eskimobob |
| 18:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06992995 = 0.2797 BTC [-] {4} |
| 18:15 |
davout |
dub: oic |
| 18:15 |
dub |
he IPO'd a pottery kiln |
| 18:16 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 18:16 |
kakobrekla |
in ltc. |
| 18:16 |
davout |
fluffypony: was looking at usagi's last posts, laughed at the "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" pic, then i looked at who posted it :D |
| 18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic that's how 2012 was all around. that's how people like hearn and maxwell ended up with the notion they're useful or whatever. |
| 18:17 |
fluffypony |
davout: sometimes I'm inspired to troll :-P |
| 18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
<fluffypony> my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed << yup he still delivers. |
| 18:17 |
davout |
hory shet, last trade at 411 EUR on BC |
| 18:17 |
pankkake |
why can't you manipulate the price davout :( |
| 18:17 |
pankkake |
or at least tell me in advance |
| 18:17 |
pankkake |
scam! |
| 18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 18:18 |
kakobrekla |
ask me |
| 18:18 |
davout |
pankkake: go introduce yourself in the losers thread i guess |
| 18:18 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ticker |
| 18:18 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 558.02, Best ask: 560.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.98000, Last trade: 555.55, 24 hour volume: 16603.12684761, 24 hour low: 555.55, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 602.737963932 |
| 18:18 |
davout |
XD |
| 18:18 |
TheNewDeal |
oooo loving it |
| 18:18 |
kakobrekla |
i unloaded some at 480 |
| 18:18 |
kakobrekla |
need to buy a new fridge. |
| 18:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.249 = 1.743 BTC [-] {2} |
| 18:20 |
mike_c |
who wants to buy a spy house? |
| 18:20 |
mike_c |
http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2013/041213.htm |
| 18:20 |
assbot |
U.S. Marshals Selling Russian Spy House in New Jersey |
| 18:21 |
mthreat |
i'm not sure which is funner to look at, bitpremier or US Marshals |
| 18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
The house is listed for sale at $444,900 through Fast Track Real Estate Co. of Waldwick, N.J. Built in 1950, the 1,830 square-foot house has four bedrooms, one and a half bathrooms, a recently-updated kitchen, a garage and an unfinished basement. |
| 18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ill be damned if i pay half a million paperthings for something with "one and a half" bathrooms |
| 18:23 |
mike_c |
no no, you just pay $10k and live a life of indentured servitude to the bank. |
| 18:23 |
Azelphur |
I'm just imagining a bathroom with a half-cylinder toilet and 50% of a shower |
| 18:24 |
mike_c |
is this not a thing outside US? half-bath means no shower. |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c 4 bedrooms, that's what, between 6 and 12 people ? |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c all us baths are half baths to begin with |
| 18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
no bidet |
| 18:24 |
mike_c |
hehe |
| 18:24 |
Azelphur |
mike_c: never heard that in UK, also we generally have no bathrooms without a shower, usually it's the bath that gets dropped |
| 18:25 |
mike_c |
4 bedrooms to me means: master bdrm (2 people), two kids room (2 people), and an office. |
| 18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so it's 4 rooms basically. |
| 18:26 |
mike_c |
well, four walled off rooms with doors. |
| 18:26 |
mike_c |
then living room/dining room/kitchen/laundry room, etc. |
| 18:26 |
mike_c |
plus a basement! it's a steal. |
| 18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun see it. |
| 18:26 |
Apocalyptic |
unfinished |
| 18:27 |
mike_c |
montclair is ritzy. pricey town. |
| 18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
what's so ritzy about it ? seems a dorm town like any other |
| 18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
does it have some world class cabaret i never heard of or something ? |
| 18:29 |
mike_c |
it's got old money. enormous mansions. |
| 18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
yes but what's that do for me ? |
| 18:29 |
mike_c |
you get to mow their lawns for money. |
| 18:29 |
mike_c |
plus the schools are good (comparatively), etc. |
| 18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically this is a parent scam thing. |
| 18:30 |
mike_c |
yes |
| 18:30 |
mike_c |
parents and russian spies |
| 18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
"come live in this shitty house that's overpriced instead of underpriced as it should be, because you pay less-than-class for out-of-class items, always. just so you can imagine your kids get better education" |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
if people used the noggin, a 10k house in a neighbourhood with 30k average houses would sell for 9 not for 11 |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
it can be 11 when it's in the 3k average neighbourhood |
| 18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
(and is, for that matter) |
| 18:32 |
mike_c |
here 10k house in 30k neighborhood sells for 25 |
| 18:33 |
mike_c |
and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5 |
| 18:33 |
davout |
mike_c: "you get to mow their lawns for money." <<< or feincoin |
| 18:33 |
dub |
here 10k hours in 30k hood sells for 90k |
| 18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
<mike_c> and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5 < no it doesn't |
| 18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
all the best-in-class mansions are overpriced for being best-in-class |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
you think the guy with the "largest house in north hollywood" is taking a discount because it's so big ? |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
he expects (and gets) a premium |
| 18:36 |
|
Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.06199681 BTC. Current weight: 17,391. |
| 18:37 |
pankkake |
gay |
| 18:37 |
fluffypony |
lame |
| 18:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC |
| 18:41 |
TheNewDeal |
sketchy bet made it past the mods http://bitbet.us/bet/901/fifa-world-cup-2014-goal-in-under-10/#c3060 |
| 18:41 |
assbot |
BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.09 B (68%) on Yes, 0.04 B (32%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 96`193 (100`000 to 1) |
| 18:44 |
TheNewDeal |
oh my price is just jumping around, so fun |
| 18:46 |
pankkake |
0031 penguirker> .131 BTC @ 406.00 EUR ▼ 24H LOW |
| 18:46 |
pankkake |
0045 penguirker> .120 BTC @ 445.00 EUR ▲ |
| 18:46 |
pankkake |
lol bitcoin-central liquidity |
| 18:46 |
pankkake |
0046 penguirker> .200 BTC @ 415.00 EUR ▼ |
| 18:47 |
kakobrekla |
bitcoin central is not scammy enough, no vol. |
| 18:48 |
mike_c |
nobody made that ISIL takes baghdad bet huh. looking interesting. |
| 18:49 |
fluffypony |
pankkake: you're supposed to follow that up with "b-c is bankrupt! forum mod is scammerz!" |
| 18:49 |
pankkake |
but forum mod is scammer |
| 18:50 |
* |
jurov sold for 494 this time xD |
| 18:52 |
benkay |
;;ticker |
| 18:52 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.5, Best ask: 575.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 575.61, 24 hour volume: 21827.38410632, 24 hour low: 550.61, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 595.568343633 |
| 18:53 |
davout |
pankkake: 15 EUR spread, looks legit |
| 18:53 |
davout |
the advantage is that everybody knows bc is definitely not faking volume :D |
| 18:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5879 @ 0.00082574 = 4.8545 BTC [+] |
| 18:56 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-deploying-cloud-mining-next-week-imperial-card-needs-additional-revisions/ |
| 18:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02341 = 0.4916 BTC [+] |
| 18:57 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
| 18:57 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 305489 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 942 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12463166408.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.01039 |
| 18:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0023302 = 0.233 BTC [-] |
| 19:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 63 @ 0.0231492 = 1.4584 BTC [-] {4} |
| 19:01 |
TheNewDeal |
LO |
| 19:01 |
TheNewDeal |
:O |
| 19:02 |
TheNewDeal |
using $615 predrop and $580 current price, the US Marshalls has lost approximately $1 Million USD since their announcement a few hours ago. |
| 19:03 |
benkay |
nobody ever accused a bureaucrat of understanding the implications of their actions except maybe mircea_popescu |
| 19:03 |
benkay |
;;google regulator disproportionate |
| 19:03 |
gribble |
USFDA penalties on Indian pharma cos disproportionate, Anand ...: <http://www.firstbiz.com/corporate/usfda-penalties-indian-pharma-cos-disproportionate-anand-sharma-complains-75841.html>; Issues In Regulating the Price Level - Regulation Body of Knowledge: <http://regulationbodyofknowledge.org/price-level-regulation/issues-in-regulating-the-price-level/>; India says US FDA imposed (1 more message) |
| 19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal wasn't it more like 650 ? |
| 19:03 |
benkay |
;;google regulator disproportionate trilema |
| 19:03 |
gribble |
World Energy Trilemma - World Energy Council: <http://www.worldenergy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2013-Time-to-get-real-the-agenda-for-change.pdf>; Notification of close period, value programme and household ...: <http://sse.com/newsandviews/allarticles/2014/03/notification-of-close-period,-value-programme-and-household-energy-prices-in-great-britain/>; Full-year results statement - (1 more message) |
| 19:03 |
benkay |
eh |
| 19:04 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/its-time-publicly-execute-ronald-mcdonald-239 |
| 19:04 |
assbot |
Its Time To Publicly Execute Ronald McDonald · Clickhole |
| 19:04 |
mike_c |
don't tweet that link, you'll get banned |
| 19:06 |
pankkake |
I was one of the few kids that never went to mcdonalds |
| 19:06 |
pankkake |
and since I wasn't brainwashed early, I can't make it past the smell |
| 19:07 |
pankkake |
I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air |
| 19:07 |
pankkake |
you can sense humidity, and you can sense greasidity |
| 19:08 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 19:08 |
fluffypony |
greasidity |
| 19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake> I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air << it's the smell. boiled hooves. |
| 19:11 |
pankkake |
I used to walk past a mcdo every day. it was like 100 meters away, but it was down to the road I was on - it fucking stinked |
| 19:12 |
pankkake |
working there = worst than a nuclear plant |
| 19:13 |
BingoBoingo |
At least the nuclear plant acknowledges they handle hazardous substances. |
| 19:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88687 @ 0.00081908 = 72.6417 BTC [-] {4} |
| 19:13 |
pankkake |
exactly |
| 19:13 |
kakobrekla |
eh, bigmac is only mildly radioactive. |
| 19:15 |
kakobrekla |
you dont even have to clean your teeth with http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/510doramad.png afterwards |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
| 19:16 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.35, Best ask: 556.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 555.0, 24 hour volume: 23591.28559995, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 593.12308676 |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 10 / 600 |
| 19:16 |
gribble |
0.0166666666667 |
| 19:23 |
fluffypony |
http://pastebin.com/ufNLW7xZ |
| 19:23 |
assbot |
My risk assessment of Bitstamp - Pastebin.com |
| 19:26 |
kakobrekla |
takes them a long time to do 1+1 |
| 19:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.070706 = 0.9192 BTC [+] |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/ there it is |
| 19:29 |
assbot |
Introducing the D. series pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
now what was yur prediction ? |
| 19:30 |
benkay |
someone tweet at these jackholes for me: https://twitter.com/discourse |
| 19:30 |
assbot |
Discourse (discourse) auf Twitter |
| 19:30 |
benkay |
"hijacking in browser page search is a crime punisheable by FUUUUUUU" |
| 19:31 |
mike_c |
oh geez |
| 19:31 |
TheNewDeal |
found a good line in that "risk assessment" |
| 19:31 |
TheNewDeal |
I've not talked about Bitfinex since this isn't a sales pitch for them. I've not talked about how they offer leveraged margin trade as well as normal exchange. Nor have I talked about the p2p lending platform where people who don't want to trade can earn swap interest on USD or BTC balance. I've also not mentioned the 5 order types they have: limit |
| 19:31 |
TheNewDeal |
, market, stop, trailing stop, fill or kill; nor about the OCO orders or hidden orders. Bitfinex is truly way ahead of the curve. |
| 19:31 |
mike_c |
i was way off. even with my backup guess |
| 19:32 |
davout |
TheNewDeal: yeah, that was amazing |
| 19:32 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 19:32 |
davout |
fluffypony: fun fact, it's also run by a french dude |
| 19:32 |
mike_c |
my guess was that mpex picked up a new strategic investor. |
| 19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
what, unnanounced ?! |
| 19:32 |
mike_c |
well, unannounced yet! |
| 19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
not happening, that sort of thing. they come and line up when i say |
| 19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
not the fucking other way around. |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta maintain marketplace discipline, as well as all know our own place in this world. |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony he's also not mentioning the part where bitfinex is a scam ran by the marginally retarded on stolen code. |
| 19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
uh i mean TheNewDeal |
| 19:34 |
TheNewDeal |
hahaha |
| 19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
"24/04/2014 Since so many people are asking privately about my opinion of BTC/USD price direction so I thought I would write something for everyone." |
| 19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
leaving aside the part where his "opinions" turn out to be wrong, "hits:533" |
| 19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
ya dude, totally so many people. it's like a downpour of people. |
| 19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
good thing he hosted it on pastebin with like the minimal features and all, i know of no server setups even dedicated that could have served 533 people since april. |
| 19:36 |
mike_c |
well, 1 btc ain't what it used to be anyway :) |
| 19:36 |
mike_c |
https://blockchain.info/tx/e6a777345ccb5e65ca496a1ef123710f5f17f21d695563be47d1846635cf20d3 |
| 19:36 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Transaction e6a777345ccb5e65ca496a1ef123710f5f17f21d695563be47d1846635cf20d3 |
| 19:36 |
mike_c |
hopefully that's the right address and not some haxor |
| 19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
o shit i totally forgot about the bet |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
you were nuts giving me even odds on a prop like that btw. i mean srsly, am i known for predictability or what,. |
| 19:38 |
kakobrekla |
lol mike_c , ty! |
| 19:38 |
mike_c |
it was for charity |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
a that, yeah. |
| 19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i think we're seriously the most charitable people in bitcoin :D |
| 19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
also first and biggest. |
| 19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
txn 43 |
| 19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
there goes... |
| 19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c when you say backup guess, do you mean you had two human language strings hash to the same md5 ? |
| 19:44 |
mike_c |
no, just i had another thought about what it might be that wasn't in the hash (or the bet) |
| 19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
| 19:44 |
BingoBoingo |
It's not unimaginable... For that md4 would have made more sense though |
| 19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
secret ? |
| 19:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00082574 = 33.0296 BTC [+] |
| 19:45 |
mike_c |
not secret, but haven't i been wrong enough today? :) |
| 19:45 |
mircea_popescu |
hehe k |
| 19:45 |
* |
mike_c wriggles off hook |
| 19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
im curious as a cat what can you ask of me. |
| 19:46 |
mike_c |
now i'm thinking about how to combine x.eur and d.bpay.. |
| 19:46 |
mike_c |
but i guess they are both short BTC |
| 19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
so buy one sell the other logically |
| 19:47 |
mike_c |
can't sell either |
| 19:47 |
mike_c |
i can't create either one |
| 19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
bitch @davout, iirc he had some method |
| 19:48 |
davout |
not for dirty muricans |
| 19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
or borrow from someone who holds either |
| 19:49 |
mike_c |
after all the nice things i said about frenchies today. |
| 19:49 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/ |
| 19:49 |
davout |
mike_c: :3 |
| 19:49 |
davout |
that was the first thought i had when reading the d.bpay example |
| 19:50 |
davout |
buying it would be at the same time betting on bitpay's success and against btc appreciation |
| 19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen bugpowder |
| 19:50 |
gribble |
bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> Whee... http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
davout the people who invested in bitpay took the same bet really. |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
instead of buying btc for their 30mn. |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
leaving aside the fact that they very well can't buy even 10mn worth of btc. |
| 19:51 |
davout |
how did people bet against btc by investing in bitpay? |
| 19:51 |
mike_c |
well they can now. |
| 19:51 |
mike_c |
;;calc 30000 * [ticker --last] |
| 19:52 |
gribble |
17237400 |
| 19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
davout the same way you would by investing in bitpay. |
| 19:52 |
davout |
i'm either understanding this wrong, or parsing it wrong |
| 19:52 |
davout |
hopefully if i do both i benefit from double negative |
| 19:52 |
mike_c |
like you just said.. it's a bet on bitpay and against btc appreciation. |
| 19:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.00082574 = 2.7423 BTC [+] |
| 19:53 |
davout |
you mean it's betting against btc because you pick a bitpay investment over a btc investment? |
| 19:53 |
mike_c |
right. |
| 19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
davout yes, because they're fuckwitted leeches and instead of helping grow btc they just try to leech it for fiat profit. |
| 19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
much like mtgox in its heyday. |
| 19:54 |
nubbins` |
^ |
| 19:54 |
davout |
i was understanding this a bit differently |
| 19:54 |
kakobrekla |
stamp is doing same. |
| 19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
| 19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
davout i know. that's kinda how the mpex synthetics ruin the life of these people : they make understanding what's going on so much easier. |
| 19:55 |
davout |
the way i was understanding it was "investing in potato crops is betting against btc appreciation" or at least depreciation of btc relative to potato crops |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
right |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c also, this is a dilemma crafted for your shoesize. so, reits are bad right ? how about seits ? where s stands for ... shit i guess. |
| 19:56 |
davout |
right as in "you got it" or right as in "oh god, where do we start?" |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
"not even real" estate. |
| 19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
davout right as in what you say is true but it doesn't have much to do with the previous |
| 19:57 |
mike_c |
i will be interested to see how low you have to sell it to get buyers |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm not incentivised to sell it too low, i don't need the liquidity. |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
it's sufficient for my strategic needs for it to be under par. |
| 19:57 |
davout |
for all you know they might be keeping fees in btc, no? |
| 19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
davout sure. so ? |
| 19:58 |
davout |
that'd imply a correlation between their value and the btc fiat rate |
| 19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
only to the most naive of perspectives. |
| 19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously they're not cash-positive if they need 30mn now on top of the 10mn before and the 2.8mn before that or w/e it was. |
| 19:59 |
mike_c |
if they were profitable enough they wouldn't have taken investment.. |
| 19:59 |
mike_c |
damnit |
| 19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
they're just neobee in slow motion basically. |
| 19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c and notice that my lines are so very much longer too :D |
| 19:59 |
mike_c |
i was doing something else |
| 19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
so was i |
| 19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
and she just came |
| 20:00 |
|
Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/716/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.30076814 BTC. Current weight: 54,089. |
| 20:00 |
mike_c |
fwiw, they seem to have better management than neobee |
| 20:00 |
* |
mircea_popescu sings .. i'm the king of the repartee, the asshole vip... |
| 20:00 |
mike_c |
but that is saying very little |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c sure. hence the slow motion. |
| 20:00 |
mike_c |
yeah |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't even recall, did they publish their total processed / gross fees for q1 ? 2013 ? anything ? |
| 20:01 |
davout |
well maybe the reason for taking investment is not that they're unprofitable, but that they need it to grow faster, am i missing something obvious to discrimnate between those two? |
| 20:01 |
mike_c |
what about acquisitions? that is a common exit path and could make money for fiat investors. |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
i know they keep derping about how merchants went from 4k to 40k, but... w/e |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
davout yes, the neobee connection |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c private acquisition is also scam. |
| 20:02 |
mike_c |
davout: point is they aren't cash-flow positive, so they can't be socking away a pile of btc. |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
for that matter, in no acquihire do the investors see a dime |
| 20:02 |
mike_c |
no acquihire, sure. but there are profitable acquisitions (for the acquiree) |
| 20:02 |
davout |
mike_c: they published the figures? |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c they're rare. |
| 20:03 |
mike_c |
davout: they are spending more than they make. this is why they need investment. be it for growth, does not matter. they are still spending more then they make. |
| 20:03 |
mike_c |
mircea_popescu: see whatsapp |
| 20:03 |
davout |
mike_c: yeah, i understand "cash-flow negative" :D |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
the best construction for btc value conservation is if their management is good enough to copy s.mg, and basically they just take the investment turn it to btc and wait |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
this we know they're not doing. |
| 20:04 |
BingoBoingo |
First they call MP a pornographer, then they call him a scammer, later the ignore him... Next they call MP a witch? |
| 20:04 |
davout |
the question i'm asking is "how do you know?" |
| 20:04 |
mike_c |
because they keep taking investments. you don't sell pieces of your company for money you don't need. |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c yeah ok, sure. facebook is paying 20bn for bitpay because gallipi & his sister gave zuck such good rusty trombones. |
| 20:05 |
davout |
mike_c: makes sense, ty! |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
lol on 5th pass |
| 20:05 |
TheNewDeal |
this is going horrible. Just tossed some chicken on the stove and now I have to take a shit. Running around the kitchen trying to hold everything in before I can flip |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
be sure to take the time to type |
| 20:05 |
TheNewDeal |
need something to concentrate on. refuse to flip chicken early |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
do you know what peristalsis means ? |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo shouldn't it be wizard ? |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm not a woman |
| 20:06 |
fluffypony |
bed time, yo |
| 20:07 |
fluffypony |
night all |
| 20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
later |
| 20:07 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: But they refuse to acknowledge that as well |
| 20:08 |
davout |
aren't there legitimate cases where companies need to raise repeatedly because their current positive cash-flow is not sufficient to address the market as it could be addressed? |
| 20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
hm i guess you're right |
| 20:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00082963 = 25.5526 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
davout in theory. |
| 20:08 |
davout |
i guess not for bitpay |
| 20:08 |
davout |
you don't need 10x more engineers to process 10x more payments |
| 20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
once they start laying down rail track and optic fiber... |
| 20:10 |
davout |
i guess that's closer to what you were explaining initially |
| 20:15 |
davout |
just had a look at their "team" page |
| 20:16 |
davout |
31 employees |
| 20:16 |
davout |
they must be burning quite some cash |
| 20:17 |
nubbins` |
^ |
| 20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
from what i hear this 30mn bought them a lease on life worth about a year. |
| 20:18 |
kakobrekla |
wheres the easiest to check btc price for june 2012 |
| 20:19 |
kakobrekla |
o wait nvm |
| 20:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dunno, this concept of bitcoin services doing a NASDAQ/NYSE IPO, seems somehow naturally unlikely |
| 20:19 |
midnightmagic |
also, on that team page, manuel araoz builds software that attacks bitcoin |
| 20:19 |
* |
asciilifeform read log - floored |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
S.FUSSA! |
| 20:20 |
* |
ThickAsThieves scrapes asciilifeform from the ground. |
| 20:20 |
asciilifeform |
('former') |
| 20:20 |
mircea_popescu |
hm ? |
| 20:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Another problem with Bitpay is they have a habit of hiring "names" http://www.coindesk.com/elizabeth-ploshay-joins-bitpay/ |
| 20:20 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Foundation Board Member Elizabeth Ploshay Joins BitPay |
| 20:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
oh geez... |
| 20:20 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not *that* much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume |
| 20:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
she did seem to be a decent little worker bee for btcf at the conference |
| 20:21 |
midnightmagic |
inb4 someone finds englund's rehire |
| 20:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
but i cant imagine what she;d offer bitpay |
| 20:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2421 = 0.7263 BTC [-] |
| 20:21 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill... |
| 20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/ set to 2 years load raw data ? |
| 20:21 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Charts / Charts |
| 20:21 |
dub |
she seemed retarded in the 'election' interview |
| 20:21 |
Apocalyptic |
heh |
| 20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
<midnightmagic> inb4 someone finds englund's rehire << lol k/ |
| 20:22 |
nubbins` |
^^ |
| 20:22 |
kakobrekla |
i found that rtbtc goes back enough |
| 20:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill... /// isnt bitpay already a plutonium level supernode sponsor member? |
| 20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 20:22 |
kakobrekla |
also check this out, 2 years or derping |
| 20:22 |
kakobrekla |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg7279537#msg7279537 |
| 20:22 |
assbot |
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| 20:22 |
kakobrekla |
60% loss |
| 20:22 |
kakobrekla |
if my maff is right. |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 20:23 |
bloctoc |
if bitpay takes 3 days to receive the fiat. That's a loan essentially in BTC to be repaid in USD. so, they're shorting btc and will always be shorting the bigger they get. |
| 20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda |
| 20:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
meh |
| 20:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
a flimsy point |
| 20:23 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: re: ad-hoc ir spectrometer discussion: no dice. not that you can't train, e.g. neural net to distinguish mdma from shoe polish - you can. but the objective of identifying synthesis byproducts (basement lab folks rarely bother with recrystallization) - this one takes actual brains. |
| 20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it's a toy. |
| 20:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
ascii, i finished anathem, thanks |
| 20:24 |
asciilifeform |
a toy that will hasten the owner's death, if used as theorized here |
| 20:24 |
asciilifeform |
ThickAsThieves: fun |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
the owner is already swallowing random dusts from strangers. |
| 20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
hard to hasten |
| 20:25 |
asciilifeform |
'risk homeostasis' |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
<davout> mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not *that* much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume << you know the donner party also wasn't as large before as it was at the point it starved to death. |
| 20:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
and to whomever recommended Antifragile, it was exactly the next book I was looking for, great so far |
| 20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
it is a great book |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
so far my favourite taleb is that link mp posted earlier |
| 20:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
it puts into words concepts ive always kinda had theories about |
| 20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yeah this is an interesting point. people believe [because they're trained in school to believe and they never examine it ?] that the "proper" form is and they're at their best in book form |
| 20:28 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: donner? |
| 20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
whereas an uncombed, out of bed appearance like those notes is actually better according to the readers |
| 20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
which is kinda why blogs beat books. |
| 20:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24001 BTC [-] |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
davout some dudes, tried to traverse the utah salt marshes, died. |
| 20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
and this is perhaps the first time i used "dude" in its proper fucking sense in this chan. go me. |
| 20:29 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014&bots=true#548272 |
| 20:29 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 20:29 |
asciilifeform |
^ earlier discussion of items like the taleb notes |
| 20:29 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: tried dictionary, should've tried wikipedia instead XD |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
i dare say the taleb notes and the gangue of great minds found at their burial are not the same |
| 20:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
thx |
| 20:30 |
asciilifeform |
quite true, not the same. which is why it's a crying shame gauss, etc. didn't get to print their notebooks while at their best |
| 20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder if taleb reads this line before he dies. |
| 20:31 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't much matter, he already 'did the right thing' |
| 20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
| 20:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.000831 = 44.3754 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:32 |
bloctoc |
I don't wish to be pedantic, but the donner party did not just die, they ate each other. |
| 20:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm totally ignorant of taleb other than gaining a familiarity of his name from you guys over the months |
| 20:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
he paints himself as disliked by his peers, is that the case? |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
"IPO - 6/12/12 Seat Price: $1.54 BTC Distributed: 0 |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
Now - 6/12/14 Seat Price: $22.20 BTC Distributed: 0.056 BTC |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
Thanks everyone for the incredible amount of support on this project! I hope we're just getting started." |
| 20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
ahaha epic. EVERYONE MADE ROI HAND OVER FIST!!11 |
| 20:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.24001 = 0.72 BTC [-] |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves he doesn't have peers. |
| 20:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
fair enough |
| 20:33 |
asciilifeform |
ThickAsThieves: taleb, as i understand, bet on us collapse, raked in the dough. |
| 20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
he's disliked by the people who imagine he's not their peer. |
| 20:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.070706 = 0.1414 BTC [+] |
| 20:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
it seems odd to me, since so far his ideas make plenty sense |
| 20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, but his simple existence poses some very significant ontological problems to many folk in socialist academia |
| 20:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
but the human race never fails to find new ways to surprise and disappoint |
| 20:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
has he ever commented on bitcoin? |
| 20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing substantial |
| 20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
but i'd love to have him in here. |
| 20:35 |
davout |
from what i understand of the black swan, his ideas pretty much destroy the rationales by which risk is managed in traditional finance |
| 20:36 |
asciilifeform |
afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it |
| 20:36 |
kakobrekla |
ok, maff |
| 20:36 |
kakobrekla |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg7281538#msg7281538 |
| 20:36 |
assbot |
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| 20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
davout asa bonus he has a lenghty list of "i fucking told you so" for various people. |
| 20:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
kako haz a sock! |
| 20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
which is not only unpleasant but in many cases quite dangerous |
| 20:36 |
davout |
how is it dangerous? |
| 20:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.070706 = 0.4242 BTC [+] |
| 20:37 |
asciilifeform |
good point, actually. anyone else find it interesting that the man still lives? |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
davout because to this day about half of the us bureaucracy is shielded by only the flimsy "nobody could have predicted" |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
it worked for rice by presidential decree |
| 20:37 |
davout |
asciilifeform: "afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it" <<< haha, that's probably very true |
| 20:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe i just read the part about he started weightlifting cuz he was worried for his safety |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no certain reason for it to work for the entire finance bureaucracy |
| 20:37 |
thestringpuller |
!mpif |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021639 BTC (Total: 432.79 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-] |
| 20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
and their political position is made more difficult by the presence of the millitant communists in the democrat party. |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
i bet mr. t is cleaning ak as we speak |
| 20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i doubt it. he's actually more expensive to kill than to ignore. |
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| 20:39 |
mthreat |
taleb has tweeted about bitcoin twice: https://twitter.com/search?q=bitcoin%20from%3Anntaleb&src=typd |
| 20:39 |
assbot |
Twitter / Suche - bitcoin from:nntaleb |
| 20:40 |
asciilifeform |
;;google Andrei Amalrik |
| 20:40 |
gribble |
Andrei Amalrik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Amalrik>; ANDREI AMALRIK Part 1 - Stetson University: <http://www.stetson.edu/~psteeves/classes/amalrik1.html>; ANDREI AMALRIK WILL THE SOVIET UNION SURVIVE TO 1984: <http://www.stetson.edu/~psteeves/classes/amalrik2.html> |
| 20:40 |
asciilifeform |
^ predicted the collapse of ussr, off by 1/2 decade |
| 20:41 |
asciilifeform |
died in suspicious accident. |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform was he a chechen living in turkmenistan ? |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
http://novaonline.nvcc.edu/eli/evans/his242/Notes/Amalrik.html |
| 20:42 |
assbot |
Andrei Amalrik Notes |
| 20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/11927081a4f9d472ea04992dd36e023c/tumblr_n5dkw5y7Zw1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg |
| 20:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.pfhub.com/steve-forbes-says-u-s-will-return-to-a-gold-standard-821/ |
| 20:46 |
assbot |
Steve Forbes says U.S. will return to a gold standard |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 20:47 |
asciilifeform |
tungsten standard. |
| 20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
eh total bs source |
| 20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
forbes didn't say that. |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
wait. he did ?! |
| 20:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
“Somebody can’t go and use a whole bunch of our patents but then sue us for using one of theirs,” Musk said “That seems like it wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do.” |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently the guy is a total gold bug. the ever helpful tardopedia : " His 20 year tenure as head of Forbes magazine coincided with the decline of the publication and the Forbes family empire." |
| 20:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00083144 = 42.9023 BTC [+] {3} |
| 20:51 |
benkay |
grammar question: "the time to <derp derp derp> is nigh if not upon us already" << y/n? |
| 20:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
i wouldnt accept it |
| 20:52 |
benkay |
grounds of? |
| 20:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's implied that you'd know when it was upon you, so surmising whether it may already be is only exposing a state of nigh |
| 20:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
the time is either nigh, now, or passed |
| 20:53 |
benkay |
lol no the implication is that knowing that a thing is upon one is a hard thing to figure |
| 20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
the time to <derp derp derp> is nigh, if not upon us already |
| 20:53 |
dub |
already upon us, surely |
| 20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
dub it's not globally warmed enough yet. |
| 20:54 |
benkay |
"surely nigh if not already upon us". |
| 20:55 |
benkay |
implying the thing impends and that i've my eye upon it. |
| 20:55 |
benkay |
huh i seem to like this word. |
| 20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
your eye impaled upon the impending ? |
| 20:55 |
benkay |
on it? |
| 20:55 |
benkay |
my gaze upon it |
| 20:57 |
benkay |
okay derailment over thanks gents |
| 20:59 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#716003 <<< curious about why |
| 20:59 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 21:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
cuz it'd draw more attention to his ideas? |
| 21:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2546 @ 0.00083213 = 2.1186 BTC [+] |
| 21:03 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: yeah, i was thinking like car accident or whatever way that wouldn't look suspicious |
| 21:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00082807 = 18.2589 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
for one, things don't look suspicious for what they are, but for what they look |
| 21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
for the other, how do you know what he's stashed away ? |
| 21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
he' |
| 21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
s paranoid enough. |
| 21:08 |
davout |
i see |
| 21:10 |
benkay |
30 employees, 30mn for 1 year of life...1mn/employee? |
| 21:10 |
benkay |
shit i gotta stop running businesses and start scamming vc's |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay also known as moral hazard, this, and why someone's gotta put a stop to it |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
this is how the generation of your father failed. |
| 21:18 |
bloctoc |
benkay - plus marketing, rent, receivables (mentioned earlier) and plane tickets for CEO to find more money. |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, failed isn't even the word. we need something strong like the french rate |
| 21:18 |
bloctoc |
is the french rate that ECB negative rate from a week or two ago? |
| 21:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
https://www.fairlay.com/predict/registered/new/from-silk-road-seized-bitcoins-will-be-sold-for-600-each/ |
| 21:19 |
assbot |
Place prediction on: Bitcoins seized from Silk Road will be sold for > $600 each |
| 21:19 |
mircea_popescu |
s'ont raté |
| 21:19 |
Mats_cd03 |
lol |
| 21:20 |
asciilifeform |
'fairlay' ?! |
| 21:20 |
asciilifeform |
'durasell' for bitbet? |
| 21:21 |
thestringpuller |
what's durasell? |
| 21:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
duracell |
| 21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
one of. |
| 21:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
and energizer |
| 21:21 |
asciilifeform |
nope |
| 21:21 |
benkay |
no derpacel |
| 21:21 |
asciilifeform |
'durasell' is a chinese battery (with correct colour scheme) sold at 'dollar stores' |
| |
↖ |
| 21:21 |
mircea_popescu |
sincerest form of flattery and all that. |
| 21:21 |
asciilifeform |
leaks in a few days |
| 21:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah |
| 21:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
| 21:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/12/17845712_f5aee6f731.jpg |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
i'dave panicked but russian education (childhood scraping out gunk from leaked sov. batteries) |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
i also once saw 'parasonic' |
| 21:23 |
asciilifeform |
there's probably a number of these. |
| 21:28 |
benkay |
into w |
| 21:28 |
benkay |
https://chain.com/ |
| 21:28 |
assbot |
Bitcoin API - Chain |
| 21:28 |
benkay |
dorp, 'scuse me. |
| 21:28 |
cazalla |
tfw too poor to own a gameboy, somehow $2 brick from reject shop didn't fill the void |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
cazalla: http://demotivators.to/media/posters/2921/387985_volk-s-yajtsami.jpg << 'soviet gameboy' |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
(really wanna play? it's in various pnohe 'app stores' ! believe or not) |
| 21:30 |
asciilifeform |
http://img04.slando.ua/images_slandocomua/77316215_2_644x461_igra-elektronika-nu-pogodivolk-lovit-yaytsa-fotografii_rev007.jpg |
| 21:32 |
cazalla |
we had similar knock offs in australia, it was my grandmother who bought me brick when i wanted a gameboy with tetris and she tried to tell me it was the same thing |
| 21:32 |
asciilifeform |
what was 'brick' ? |
| 21:32 |
asciilifeform |
actual masonry ? |
| 21:32 |
dub |
lol |
| 21:32 |
cazalla |
similar to this http://northwaygames.com/wp-content/uploads/tetris.png |
| 21:32 |
dub |
I got a rock |
| 21:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18722 @ 0.00083213 = 15.5791 BTC [+] |
| 21:33 |
dub |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tIhwITwhSg |
| 21:33 |
assbot |
Charlie Brown: I got a rock - YouTube |
| 21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
you poor kids |
| 21:34 |
asciilifeform |
btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door. |
| 21:35 |
asciilifeform |
these gizmos were prized rarities. |
| 21:35 |
dub |
I got actual computers |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
we did get an actual computer - 'iskra' - shortly before bailing |
| 21:36 |
benkay |
i never didn't have dsl |
| 21:36 |
benkay |
now guess how old i am |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/I1030_11.jpg/300px-I1030_11.jpg |
| 21:36 |
dub |
the one console I recall using was the old pong game that plugged into a tv |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
i still remember the shock of encountering widgets that resembled actual comp but weren't programmable. |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
(tv consoles) |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
said 'wtf' |
| 21:37 |
dub |
but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64 |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
dub: had same, after coming to usa |
| 21:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;later tell mike_c http://pastebin.com/qha386AV |
| 21:37 |
assbot |
How To Shave Altcoin! Er, Save Altcoin! - Pastebin.com |
| 21:37 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 21:38 |
dub |
no storage so you input the game in basic and had to do it again when your mom made you turn it off |
| 21:38 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door. << that kicked ass |
| 21:41 |
asciilifeform |
chain.com << 'i dontwanna use the blockchain, mitm me please' |
| 21:41 |
kakobrekla |
It is true that Bitcoin outperformed Nasty Mining. Bitcoin had an amazing 2 years of growth and was exposed to billions of people. However, funds invested in Nasty Mining were spent in USD on items that are valued in USD. In fact, pretty much everything is valued in USD (or your local fiat currency), which is why BTC is valued at the conversion rate at the time of transfer to any real organization. It only makes sense to value Nasty Mi |
| 21:41 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 21:41 |
kakobrekla |
USD when comparing it over time. The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that. We've still managed to outperform more than 99% of the other things you could have spent your BTC on. Silver for example was $28.50 on our IPO date and is $19.50 now, yet I don't see you trolling silver dealers on here. |
| 21:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
| 21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
<dub> but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64 << i had one of those too |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
" The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that." |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
epic. |
| 21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pastebin.com/qha386AV << nice bots mod6 |
| 21:44 |
assbot |
How To Shave Altcoin! Er, Save Altcoin! - Pastebin.com |
| 21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot unbalanced |
| 21:46 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user unbalanced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=unbalanced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=unbalanced | Rated since: never |
| 21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC fanboi. |
| 21:46 |
gribble |
Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. |
| 21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
!up unbalanced |
| 21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly get in the wot will you. |
| 21:46 |
unbalanced |
Thanks, it's on my to do list. |
| 21:47 |
mthreat |
mircea_popescu: this c64 talk reminds me, the owner of krakow bar in san telmo is an oldschool c64 hacker from poland. http://www.krakow-cafe.com.ar/ |
| 21:47 |
assbot |
Bares San Telmo | Krakow Bares en San Telmo | Bares Buenos Aires |
| 21:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00083261 = 17.3599 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly should have a drink with him then |
| 21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
course mine wasn't an actual c64, butmoar like a clone48 |
| 21:47 |
unbalanced |
Got partway done months ago in one of my VMs, I'll have to dig it up. BingoBoingo's tutorial was a good help. |
| 21:48 |
mthreat |
actually i think he said c32, which i didn't even know existed |
| 21:48 |
mthreat |
he also corrected me when I said i'd seen a pic of him with an ak-47. apparently it wasn't an ak |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
c32 << prob. vic-20 |
| 21:49 |
unbalanced |
No Commodore32 but maybe the Amiga CD32: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32 |
| 21:49 |
assbot |
Amiga CD32 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
amiga ya |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
amiga << nothing like c64. almost a real computer. |
| 21:49 |
unbalanced |
Vic-20, those were the days. |
| 21:49 |
justusranvier |
https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/477251054250512384 |
| 21:49 |
assbot |
Maidsafe and Mastercoin: The first crypto-coin Kickstarter was a wildly successful $7 million disaster. http://t.co/YllunlEBOZ |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
sank the company, too |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
so im fishin' in rift an' shootin' da breeze in -assets. what better lyf is there. |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
(not compatible with massive c64 cult install base) |
| 21:50 |
diametric |
so SR coins up for auction |
| 21:50 |
diametric |
soon anyway |
| 21:50 |
diametric |
should read scrollback, i'm assuming it was the topic for a while |
| 21:50 |
mthreat |
mircea_popescu: anyway his name is tomas, if you go by there |
| 21:50 |
asciilifeform |
diametric: yes |
| 21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier so much lulz in there. |
| 21:53 |
justusranvier |
It doesn't look so good for the appcoin pumpers |
| 21:54 |
mircea_popescu |
for them, no. |
| 21:54 |
mircea_popescu |
We took advice from the US lawyers via BitAngels and also local lawyers in Scotland, |
| 21:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ajajaja |
| 21:54 |
mircea_popescu |
this is like textbook dumb. |
| 21:54 |
asciilifeform |
re: c64, obligatory jack tramiel: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/11/technology/jack-tramiel-a-pioneer-in-computers-dies-at-83.html |
| 21:55 |
assbot |
Jack Tramiel, a Pioneer in Computers, Dies at 83 - NYTimes.com |
| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
All issuers selling securities to the public must comply with the registration provisions of the securities laws, including issuers who seek to raise funds using Bitcoin, said Andrew J. Ceresney, the SECs enforcement director in a press release. We will continue to focus on enforcing our rules and regulations as they apply to digital currencies. |
| 21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
lawl. they do not apply, they never will apply. |
| 21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
Jacob Farber of Perkins Coie who advises Bit Angels wrote, It seems pretty clear that there was no intentional market manipulation. The question is whether there was an appearance of market manipulation, or an unintended market manipulation. <<< it's pretty obvious that there was quite intentional, and quite fraudulent, market manipulation. |
| 21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
cause when you go "let's do this thing that'll make our worthless turd look valuable" that's what you're doing. |
| 21:59 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, pretty good reporting from Kashmir Hill |
| 22:02 |
justusranvier |
DId you read the pastebin? |
| 22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier the unbalanced one ? yua |
| 22:08 |
justusranvier |
To my untrained eye, it looks like certain people got a unhappy with DJohnston using their reputations without their consent, so they kicked him out of BitAngles into his own sandbox. |
| 22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
Many knowledgeable observers called the whole thing a success. Irvines team wound up with three million in BTC after all. Ryan Galt, an investor who blogs as Two-Bit Idiot, noted the pump-and-dump that happened but said the number one takeaway was to make sure to get in early when a hot new coin-related startup announces a crowdsale. You better be ready to buy the second it goes live, he wrote. |
| 22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
| 22:08 |
justusranvier |
What's sad is the number of Bitcoin startups that were taking advice from him. |
| 22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"startups" |
| 22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
a collection of three idiots does not become a startup through their declaration to that effect, in my view. |
| 22:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.070706 = 1.2727 BTC [+] |
| 22:09 |
justusranvier |
Anyway, a lot of businesses trying to get involved in Bitcoin got some bad advice from him. Some of them did ask around for second opinions though, and avoided that particular pitfall anyway. |
| 22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
byut anyway, the circus is the circus. this is why we call it the circus, this is why we despise it, this is what it does. |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"vcs", "entrepreneurs", "consulting", "conferences", "startups", "deals", "investing" and so on and so forth till you're bored. |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
that's good then. |
| 22:10 |
unbalanced |
I was at the Bitcoin Hackathon in Toronto a couple of months back, and DJ was a judge. |
| 22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
people are incredibly arrogant, so a bunch of them getting hurt badly is good news. |
| 22:11 |
unbalanced |
I didn't win a top place... my stuff wasn't good enough but more importantly it seemed, not "decentralized" enough. |
| 22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
lol k |
| 22:11 |
unbalanced |
It took place right inside Ethereum HQ |
| 22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
listen, |
| 22:12 |
unbalanced |
By the time I left that conference I thought Bitcoin was a cult of decentralization. Decentralize all the things! |
| 22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
on one hand it's completely irrelevant who "judges" these things, just like the people running around begging perelman to take their "award" so they may say "o we gave perelman an award, please think we matter" are irrelevant to math |
| 22:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
the cult takes new forms over time |
| 22:13 |
unbalanced |
Agreed. I walked away from several folks when I began to get the cray-cray vibe. |
| 22:13 |
justusranvier |
I tried: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/03/19/decentralized-applications-its-time-for-an-intervention/ |
| 22:13 |
assbot |
Decentralized Applications: It's Time for an Intervention | Bitcoinism |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
on the other hand, what difference does it make anyway ? not like any human being at an accessible pay grade can judge your thing anyway. |
| 22:14 |
unbalanced |
I usually *give off* the cray-cray vibe when it comes to Bitcoin. Didn't expect people could outdo me for tech optimism. |
| 22:14 |
mircea_popescu |
just go to the hackathon as you go to the bar, not like you go to school. it's a social function. |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't believe this crap is aptly described as optimism. |
| 22:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00083208 = 26.0441 BTC [-] {3} |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
this is to the conference circuit roughly what porn is to legitimate acting : the place failures go to die. |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
if the people involved were smarter, they'd be selling detergent and used cars. |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
!up unbalanced |
| 22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly get with that wot |
| 22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier not bad. |
| 22:18 |
unbalanced |
Thanks I was turning blue. justusranvier, nicely done |
| 22:18 |
BingoBoingo |
unbalanced: If you did the GPG guide that's the hard part... registering with gribble doesn't hurt at all |
| 22:19 |
unbalanced |
Not sure if i can get to that VM from here. I'll take a stab. |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
why's your gpg in a vm anyway |
| 22:22 |
unbalanced |
But before I do, I agree MP, I didn't take not winning the hackathon badly, I only said my thing wasn't "good enough" because a) it wasn't all done in time and b) my math was less than accurate. Empirically not good enough for anyone to use. |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
well that's kinda how these thons work. not enough time really. |
| 22:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25549 @ 0.00083163 = 21.2473 BTC [-] |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier "Using the global public ledger that allows for multilateral decision making means that retaining financial privacy is, to put it lightly, problematic. Its possible to achieve, but doing so is a difficult and delicate process where mistakes are easy to make and also permanent." i don't understand this part, at all. |
| 22:23 |
unbalanced |
I don't have a lot of hardware is why... at the time I was on a Windows machine using a Linux VM. Now I'm pure. Linux. |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
how is blockchain any less anon than cash ? |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
unbalanced oic |
| 22:24 |
justusranvier |
Because there are always sidechannels |
| 22:24 |
justusranvier |
And badly written clients |
| 22:24 |
unbalanced |
Carelessness + pattern recognition etc. |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier so are there for cash. |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
talkative prostitutes and bills of sale |
| 22:24 |
justusranvier |
Cash doesn't have an eternal, publicly searchable ledger |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
according to whom ? |
| 22:25 |
justusranvier |
Is there a USDchain.info where anyone can view every transaction that ever occurred with a given bill? |
| 22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
all the cash that exists exists. by this it can be counted |
| 22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
there you go. |
| 22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone capable of busting in can count your cash as well as you can |
| 22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
but you're not proposing the correct equivalence |
| 22:26 |
justusranvier |
Sure, but that can't traced its history |
| 22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
neither can bitcoin's. |
| 22:26 |
justusranvier |
In many cases, you can. |
| 22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
in many cases you can for cash too |
| 22:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15151 @ 0.00082999 = 12.5752 BTC [-] |
| 22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
like, if you leave a fingerprint on a bill |
| 22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
or if you get caught with series-fixed bills after a bank robbery |
| 22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
or w/e |
| 22:28 |
justusranvier |
All of those approaches you mention for cash only operate on a subset of the "address space". Graph analysis of the blockchain can look at the entire data set, forever. |
| 22:28 |
justusranvier |
People skilled in that art can do a lot more, given the improved access to information |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i doubt this is true. |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
because correspondingly, you are forced by cash to physical interaction |
| 22:29 |
justusranvier |
This isn't even a particularly good tool, and it breakes blockchain.info mixing: http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com/ |
| 22:29 |
assbot |
CoinJoin Sudoku | Weaknesses in SharedCoin, and CoinJoin research. |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
there's little way to avoid it. not so with bitcoin |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
blockchain.info mixing is a joke. break bitbet mixing. |
| 22:30 |
justusranvier |
I'll suggest that |
| 22:30 |
mircea_popescu |
so you know, getting caught with cash in your possesion can be a forced mistake |
| 22:30 |
mircea_popescu |
getting caught with bitcoin can never be a forced mistake |
| 22:34 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, the fact that bitcoin is not actually traceable, and all the sophistry of taint can at most produce persuasion is one of the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin to human society. it may result in the "reasonable doubt" standard being taken out. |
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| 22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
much in the way the internet has forced the brits into their first secret "trial", something they've not had in about 11 centuries. |
| 22:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00083321 = 37.6611 BTC [+] |
| 22:38 |
justusranvier |
I think we will get privacy on the blockchain eventually. |
| 22:38 |
justusranvier |
Not until Bitcoin Core is dethroned as the monolopy full node implementation though |
| 22:38 |
mircea_popescu |
this boggles. what do you mean eventually ? |
| 22:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i have it right nwo. it's there. |
| 22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
anbd what throne lol. a bunch of redditards with ten bitcoin between them that keep downloading the power ranger code ? |
| 22:39 |
justusranvier |
It's there for people who are extremely careful and make no mistakes. |
| 22:40 |
justusranvier |
There are better ways of achieving privacy that aren't quite so fragile |
| 22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically the idea is to make it more accessible ? |
| 22:40 |
justusranvier |
Basically |
| 22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
cause otherwise this discussion is exactlylike email privacy. i have all the email privacy i could want, because gpg |
| 22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
you're gonna tell me there's no privacy in email either ? |
| 22:42 |
justusranvier |
All the email privacy you could want? You must not want to have privacy regarding the fact that you're sending messages, nor the recipients of those messages. |
| 22:42 |
justusranvier |
Or subject lines |
| 22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
lol because why ? |
| 22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
an email can come from any arbitrary address you wish it to. |
| 22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
it can be read in transit by any party that wishes |
| 22:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+] |
| 22:52 |
thestringpuller |
!up chax |
| 22:52 |
thestringpuller |
~_~ |
| 22:52 |
asciilifeform |
!up unbalanced |
| 22:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1000 @ 0.00030166 = 0.3017 BTC [+] |
| 22:56 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i have it right nwo. it's there << rewrote btcd? |
| 22:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0707 = 0.1414 BTC [-] |
| 22:57 |
asciilifeform |
or - privacy. aha |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
privacee |
| 22:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [+] |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, i wonder what % of 4chan pics are steganographically loaded |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
for dumb stego, easy to test. |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
as a sort of pastebin email thing |
| 22:58 |
asciilifeform |
one fellow came up with... 1 in 5 |
| 22:58 |
unbalanced |
Thanks ascii. |
| 22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone bored enough to run a little experiment ? |
| 22:59 |
unbalanced |
I remember now where I locked up months ago with GPG. |
| 22:59 |
asciilifeform |
(dumb stego --> generally low-order colour bits) |
| 22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yup |
| 22:59 |
* |
asciilifeform once spent most of a year experimenting with image stego |
| 23:00 |
asciilifeform |
stego works best as 'part of a balanced diet' with proper crypto |
| 23:00 |
unbalanced |
I set it all up, using Seahorse... but I have to put a public key "out there" so people could encrypt messages to me. |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
happy friday the 13th btw |
| 23:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1797 @ 0.00006225 = 0.1119 BTC [-] {2} |
| 23:01 |
unbalanced |
So I tried the "Sync and Publish Keys..." link on the "Remote" menu in Seahorse. And the warning message pops up: |
| 23:02 |
unbalanced |
"This will publish the keys in your key ring so they're available for others to use. You'll also get any changes others have made since you received their keys. 1 key is selected for synchronizing" |
| 23:02 |
unbalanced |
It does NOT say "This will publish the PUBLIC keys in your key ring..." so I thought, "F that!" |
| 23:04 |
unbalanced |
Am I to assume that's what this key management app means in that message? That only my PUBLIC key will be sent out? |
| 23:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24195 @ 0.00083179 = 20.1252 BTC [-] {2} |
| 23:04 |
unbalanced |
I don't like to assume anything when it comes to crypto. |
| 23:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23705 @ 0.00082781 = 19.6232 BTC [-] |
| 23:10 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: http://www.outguess.org/detection.php << basic example |
| 23:10 |
assbot |
OutGuess - Steganography Detection |
| 23:12 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.06199681 BTC. Current weight: 17,183. |
| 23:12 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold" http://bitbet.us/bet/758/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.60773929 BTC. Current weight: 7,264. |
| 23:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8640 @ 0.00083207 = 7.1891 BTC [+] |
| 23:16 |
unbalanced |
Got tips from teward in pm, thanks! Trying it now. |
| 23:16 |
mircea_popescu |
unbalanced i dunnowhat it does, never used it |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
you got no cli ? |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
!up teward |
| 23:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22457 @ 0.00082657 = 18.5623 BTC [-] {3} |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust teward |
| 23:17 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=teward | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=teward | Rated since: Thu Jan 16 14:58:46 2014 |
| 23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
hm, who're you teward ? |
| 23:17 |
unbalanced |
Followed BB's tutorial for noobs about 4mo ago and got halted at this point |
| 23:18 |
teward |
mircea_popescu: OTC operator, plus emergency op in #bitcoin, i started lurking here after seeing a +1 rating on someone for the purposes of trust tree to the bot |
| 23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
mkay. |
| 23:18 |
teward |
(OTC operator as in +o moderator in -otc) |
| 23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate teward New blood. |
| 23:18 |
gribble |
Error: 'New' is not a valid integer. |
| 23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate teward 1 New blood. |
| 23:18 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user teward has been recorded. |
| 23:18 |
unbalanced |
Only using Seahorse because of user-friendliness for now. Though I might figure out git next and submit a patch to their pop-up message. |
| 23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
you can self voice now, pm assbot !up once you're id'd with gribble |
| 23:18 |
teward |
this +v can last 2 minutes, but Seahorse is the GUI for user-friendliness of GnuPG/PGP in Linux. :) |
| 23:19 |
teward |
i use it 100% of the time for pgp keyring management, and given I have 20 or so keys, well... :P |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
cli gpg is friendly |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
why the insistence on the rodent, i always wonder |
| 23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it can get gnarly if you manage a lot of keys |
| 23:19 |
justusranvier |
KGpg |
| 23:19 |
teward |
agreed, asciilifeform, to be honest, CLI is my native environment, I prefer managing my keys via CLI. I just use Seahorse for generating, the GUI has a tiny bit more entropy, and I generate only 4096-strength keys :) |
| 23:20 |
asciilifeform |
GUI has a tiny bit more entropy << ??? |
| 23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone remember usagi's long key generating business ? |
| 23:20 |
asciilifeform |
i hear they generate beautiful keys at ft meade |
| 23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
where he had found a tutorial on the net to make arbitrary length keys and was offering this as a sort of forum-level braindamaged saas ? |
| 23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
he was going to make and export a privkey for you |
| 23:21 |
teward |
asciilifeform: might be because something else is installed alongside seahorse for entropy generation, I dunno. CLI only took an hour for 4096-bit keys. |
| 23:21 |
asciilifeform |
(they should offer a pay service! i bet chumps would flood in) |
| 23:21 |
asciilifeform |
'insist on NSA quality!' |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
"Given all these downsides, it should be apparent that decentralization isnt something to aspire to lightly. In fact, it may be better to say that decentralization as a design technique is best reserved as a last resort, only to be used when there are no other suitable alternatives." |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier groks it. |
| 23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
that's exactly what it fucking is. |
| 23:22 |
asciilifeform |
random.gov |
| 23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
".I want to see a future digital economy in which nobody is excluded from participation." "No third party should have the ability to interfere in the voluntary dealings of other people." << do you see these as logically equivalent ? |
| 23:23 |
asciilifeform |
!up unbalanced |
| 23:24 |
justusranvier |
Not equivalent. The latter is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for the former. |
| 23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't see why anything more is needed or desirable than the latter. |
| 23:25 |
asciilifeform |
random.gov, a kindler, gentler key escrow. sorta like lotteries as a more 'humane' tax on the arithmetically-challenged |
| 23:25 |
justusranvier |
If no third party can interfere with the voluntary dealings of other people, then anyone who desires to participate can do so, providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them. |
| 23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier well, more like, you know, rakim. |
| 23:25 |
justusranvier |
And that's a fine condition for particupation |
| 23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, do you know rakim ? |
| 23:25 |
justusranvier |
No |
| 23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
http://f.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0007/is7P56309.jpg |
| 23:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12006 @ 0.00082542 = 9.91 BTC [-] |
| 23:26 |
thestringpuller |
I know Rakim! |
| 23:27 |
justusranvier |
I remember that now |
| 23:27 |
thestringpuller |
I meet him a lot. |
| 23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought rakim was like the goatse guy |
| 23:27 |
asciilifeform |
seems like we've all met him |
| 23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
sorta universal meme |
| 23:27 |
justusranvier |
I believe I convered that possibility when I said "providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them." |
| 23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. it seems to me that adding anything to your latter turns the former into the latter's logical counter. |
| 23:27 |
thestringpuller |
You see Rakim wants what they call nigga technology. |
| 23:27 |
thestringpuller |
;;ud nigga technology |
| 23:27 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigga+technology | Useless, pointless technology invented for the apparent purpose of prolonging a simple task beyond the length of time it should take. Nigga Technology is ... |
| 23:28 |
thestringpuller |
Nigga technology only does one thing. |
| 23:28 |
thestringpuller |
Let dumb niggas |
| 23:28 |
thestringpuller |
talk about dumb nigga shit |
| 23:28 |
thestringpuller |
to other dumb niggas. |
| 23:28 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller eh come on |
| 23:29 |
asciilifeform |
;;google naggum by mouse instead of by lever |
| 23:29 |
gribble |
Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165>; Loper OS » Engelbart's Violin: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861>; Worse is Better - Erik Naggum: <http://naggum.no/worse-is-better.html> |
| 23:29 |
asciilifeform |
damn. |
| 23:31 |
mircea_popescu |
If cheating can be easily detected and reversed, then maybe its no longer essential to prevent it at all costs and you can build it with a more palatable set of trade offs. << in fact, there's a reason business has since forever run on "eventually correct" bookkeeping |
| 23:32 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, great blog, kinda shitty platform. mebbe pankkake adds it to teh irker |
| 23:33 |
unbalanced |
BingoBoingo, check yer email, I may or may not have sent you a secret message. |
| 23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
"Ever since the venture capital scene started talking about Bitcoin back in 2013, one of the most frequently cited comments from them is that Bitcoin is interesting for the technology, not the currency. In fact, this mantra has become so common that it almost sounds
scripted." << if you're curious as to the reason, it has to do with them not wanting to go under the yoke that's been awaiting patiently and quite unav |
| 23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
oidably since... 2012. |
| 23:33 |
unbalanced |
So secret I can't even remember what it may or may not have said, if it even exists. |
| 23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
actually nm, you get it exactly one paragraph down. |
| 23:34 |
unbalanced |
Next up, gribble, reading on. |
| 23:36 |
BingoBoingo |
unbalanced: Recieved |
| 23:36 |
unbalanced |
Clarification, Bingo's posts led me to Geany for message signing, not to Seahorse. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/ |
| 23:36 |
assbot |
Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo Blog |
| 23:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 340 @ 0.0003016 = 0.1025 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:37 |
unbalanced |
Or if one of these sent me to Seahorse months ago I don't see it now. |
| 23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/11/bitcoin-is-sedition/ << doesn't this sound like i could have written it ? |
| 23:37 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Is Sedition | Bitcoinism |
| 23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
course if i had it'd not have linked all the darkcoin and "insurection" would have lead to something about the serenissima, but anyway |
| 23:38 |
unbalanced |
It's not clear to me exactly WTF I sync'd with in Seahorse or where I put my public key. Do you see it somewhere Bingo to send a return message I could try to read? |
| 23:38 |
unbalanced |
Oh you're way ahead of me. |
| 23:38 |
unbalanced |
That is, you may or may not be. Way ahead of me. |
| 23:40 |
unbalanced |
This just in, people... PKI works. That is all. |
| 23:40 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 23:41 |
BingoBoingo |
unbalanced: Your pubkey was on sks-keyservers |
| 23:41 |
unbalanced |
Where else do the cool kids hang out? |
| 23:41 |
BingoBoingo |
The reason I didn't recommend Seahorse is it is a pain. Geany has a spell checker at least. |
| 23:42 |
BingoBoingo |
unbalanced: Well, there's a bunch of other keyservers as well. |
| 23:42 |
unbalanced |
Right, this is all just text, it's just potentially a ton of really-hard-to-read text if you get it mixed up. |
| 23:43 |
unbalanced |
Like if you have 20 keys. |
| 23:46 |
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Bet created: "World Cup 2014: Germany to net more than 7 goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/938/ |
| 23:49 |
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Bet created: "World Cup 2014: English to net more than 6 goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/939/ |
| 23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident unbalanced |
| 23:55 |
gribble |
Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@70.33.227.12', is not identified. |
| 23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!up unbalanced |