#trilema | 2014-06-13

;;later tell chax sorry i missed you

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The operation succeeded.

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;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC fanboi

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;;seen chax

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I have not seen chax.

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aren't you all spiffy nao

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Ermahgerd I fell *up* the stairs. <beck>Things are gonna change, I can feel it.</beck>

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if chax comes by razz him a bit for me, he's from chain.com

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'We maintain a fleet of self-healing, auto-scaling Bitcoind nodes.' << will they chew your food for you, too ?

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benkay aite

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asciilifeform: i just got spammed by IEEE to join this group: http://rebootingcomputing.ieee.org/

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IEEE Rebooting Computing

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decimation: mega-lol

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also this: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer

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With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek

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re: hp machine:

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;;google orthogonal persistence

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Persistence (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_(computer_science)>; CTO : Orthogonal Persistence - TUNES Project: <http://tunes.org/wiki/orthogonal_20persistence.html>; Orthogonal Persistence - Java Community Process: <https://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=020>

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yeah the IEEE thing seems to be more academi-tardation. quantum neuro whatever buzzword

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why can't folks simply "re-imagine" the legos they have in front of them?

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or, as described on my site,

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http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231

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Loper OS » Third Law of Sane Personal Computing

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note that the hardware aspect of this is trivially achievable today

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without exotic vlsi versions of magnetic core memory, at that.

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indeed a static global address space that is persistant and usable would be a reasonable project

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but you gotta ditch post-1970 os crapola to take actual advantage.

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that means all of it.

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While I still have voice...

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but ascii, the article says that HP has experience with HP-UX and "non-stop"

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;;later tell moiety I salute your fine nation and its primary export: http://www.walkersshortbread.com/

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Walkers Shortbread

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The operation succeeded.

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There, this was all worth it.

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hp-ux is a bog-standard (archaic) unix

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!up unbalanced

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pretty much all modern commercial OS's are on the BSD family tree somewhere

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it's the original apple

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unbalanced you can self voice now

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pm assbot "!up"

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decimation: you must really think about this to understand the implications. a single-address space machine must... actually work. every time - because it can in no sense be rebooted.

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(no distinction between disk and memory)

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the cache can be refreshed

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but presumably the OS comes on an EPROM

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asciilifeform i imagine rebooting = pulling memory out

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it's not orthogonally persistent if this actually does something useful

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(when was the last time you pulled your disk's cache sram out?)

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yes well. marketingis not intended to be that hard semantically.

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Don't I need 2 hit points? Or just the one?

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justusranvier

There could be dedicated areas in the memory space that could be hardware wiped, and operations resumed from a hardcoded address. That would be like a reboot.

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even the most accomplished anal insertion artist, who can take ANYTHING would not survive a parachute-less parachute fall

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justusranvier: this is what's on your desk now, essentially.

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even if theoretically the planet is part of "everything"

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orthogonal persistence is something quite else.

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ascii I imagine your dataflow machine as a collection of various calculating state machines, called into existence for various purposes when needed

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decimation: think 'emulation of room-sized fpga' and you're 90 percent there.

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if you had such a beast, you just peek and poke at its inputs/outputs, it wouldn't really have an address space

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;;ident mircea_popescu

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Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None

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;;gettrust assbot mircea_popescu

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Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 23 via 23 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011

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decimation: you don't need an address space as such if anything that might conceivably need to communicate with, e.g., keyboard, has an actual (matrix switched) electrical connection with it.

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that is, there is no reason why, say, garbage collector circuit (yes) needs to be able to request a byte from my keyboard buffer.

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just as you presently cannot dereference a pointer to your disk's sram cache

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and you live with this

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the brain-damage of the 'address space' concept is inescapable on a von neumann arch

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but if you have the option of doing the last 35 yrs. of hardware again - you can toss it.

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in the end, you would only need the "address space" for permanant storage

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;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Read his stuff, you'll learn something.

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only the circuit that marshalls state from the independent modules (e.g. keyboard buffer) to magnetic storage needs to know that it's a disk, and comes in 0...N 'LBA' blocks, etc.

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if you have the magnetic ram (actually available commercially, no need to wait for hp) you can dispense with the disk.

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and build the actual state in fpga out of same.

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using magnetic ram for each of the LUT modules?

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correct

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00082887 = 1.9843 BTC [-]

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not just the LUT config, but the block ram

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I'm surprised HP isn't trying to build an fpga with precisely this

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ideally you would have some means for linearly pissing state out to a cheap disk

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on special occasions

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;;rate davout 1 Sharp, made bitcoin-central, been around since forever.

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decimation: go suggest to boss: 'we need to re-write every line written since 1969.'

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asciilifeform no see, wouldn't that make perfect sense ?

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more work, more jerbs, more grants ?

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yeah. like my point about rolls royce just making derpy web pages would be more profitable than jet engines

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try apply for usg grant that pads no one's pocket but your own

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they like prior art.

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papers with thick endnote sections full of favourite nephews.

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etc

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if you take the king's shekels etc

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if you take honest sheckels - gotta sell something

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or at least bamboozle vc

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;;rate jurov 1 Runs coinbr, more... has earned my trust.

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which puts you right back into having to make friends and influence people in the bezzle wot

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lol from taleb's home page (my best interview) http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/d538a45a-4871-11e2-a1c0-00144feab49a.html#axzz2Z2Yg5a6H

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Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error

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;;rate teward 1 Just met, helped me out, knows his stuff.

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Or should I not be rating people I've only communicated with for a couple of hours now?

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"What has been your greatest disappointment?

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That I am unable to destroy the economics establishment, the press."

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unbalanced ideally not.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30138 @ 0.0008268 = 24.9181 BTC [-] {2}

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decimation see ? shouldn't he be here ?

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abosolutely. he might be too integrated in the wall street wot to make new friends here though

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Mmkay, so teward, I will revoke, nothing personal. Once I figure out how.

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decimation why ?!

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unbalanced ;;unrate

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;;unrate teward

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he did an "ama" for the redditards, and he mostly dodged bitcoin: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1aoi0s/iam_nassim_taleb_author_of_antifragile_ama/c8zb3d8

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nntaleb comments on IAm Nassim Taleb, author of Antifragile, AMA

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decimation: re: "(my best interview)" above -- you write for FT?

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heh no the link is entitled "my best interview" on taleb's page

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sorry for the unclear language

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Ah. I was going to ask you why they print on that orange-pink paper. Don't dodge the question!

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;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Wrote helpful GPG guide. May be my arch-nemesis in the ATC mines though, not sure yet.

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I'm just a zek, trying to scrape by in the world

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what's a zek ?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zek_%28inmate%29#Commemoration

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White SeaBaltic Canal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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;;rate pankkake 1 Funny, helpful, fights BS along with the other Super-Friends.

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oic

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solzhenitsyn's "the first circle" resonates with me. in the collectivist us, it is hard to escape this condition

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so why are you there!

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!up unbalanced

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;;rate Apocalyptic 1 Runs x-bt.com, a solid little exchange, and my money has not disappeared.

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;;rate mike_c 1 Made btcalpha.com, great tools and analysis.

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%diff

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atcbot

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 486512.85 in 1086 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.99

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so unbalanced, what kind of diff change are you shooting for this period?

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ThickAsThieves: thanks for the dump

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Hey, I took that dump. That's my dump! But thanks for the later-ing ThickAsThieves.

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hehe, then thank you too

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Heh. You said "dump". Heh.

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Regret voicing me yet?

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not yet. what kind of diff change are you trying to get this period?

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I figure that the -25% to -50% range is desirable, as long as it doesn't fall so far someone can't easily spike it up 4x again.

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But really, "easily" is a relative term so this may be a fool's errand.

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well, it seems like a good thing to try to me.

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;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC tinkerer/supporter

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I just want to make it increasingly uneconomical to try to kill the coin. Just an experiment really.

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yeah. i don't know if it's the right thing to do, but I do think it's worth trying.

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unbalanced its perfectly uneconomical to try and kill the coin already.

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i kinda wanna mine ATC...

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seems fun, like a glimpse in the past...

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i don't worry about the coin dying, but +80%/-80% diff changes are annoying.

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thestringpuller, you too can live the dream!

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call it Crypto Trail

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mike_c they don't seem to be hurting anything tho do they ?

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they do to me.

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unbalanced so in th end how much did you end up paying per atc trying to mine ?

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mike_c how ?

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having a block an hour does not feel optimal.

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The diff is still unfolding so I don't have a final number yet. I haven't wanted to calculate it or I might stop.

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i ran the numbers, but I won't tell if you don't want to know :)

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thestringpuller, by "dump" mike_c meant a pastebin link somewhere above, detailing how to use leaserig.net to employ mining rigs on demand.

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mike_c sotell me then :D

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See also #altcoin... that channel needs new blood.

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*

unbalanced closes his eyes

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it's like we have discussed before. it affects merchants. it's not as easy to move coin around. this makes little difference for the occasional user, but 1 hour block time on average means sometimes 2+ hours for a block.

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Rough back-of-the-envelope I'd say 400 satoshis per ATC if I'm lucky. Is that what you got mike_c or am I off by an order of magnitude?

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i got 371

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Profit!

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mike_c what merchants ?!

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and i ran the numbers before btc diff went up, so it could be better

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cuz the miners should have dropped in price.

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mircea_popescu: x-bt for one. is satoshijack still around? plus possibly some other merchants in development.

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mike_c haven't heard from the satoshijack dude in a long time

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Yes, I guess a tslb of >1hr only matters if the coin is moving around more than once an hour. Or day.

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i really don't see th econcern. if anything, slow txn are good for a coin, they keep the people in a hurry at bay

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the only folk it really hurts are speculators, of the redditard type

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JD wouldn't be happy if gamblers had to wait 1-2 hours to deposit money

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mike_c would you take the jd gamblers to dinner ?

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You know MP, I'm testing my ATC wallet. Could you send me all your ATC, and then I'll send it back?

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mircea_popescu: i would not, but i'd gladly take their coin.

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Purely routine. Just a test. No, no need to read the fine print. Just sign here.

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See, with ATC you can relive the early days of BTC!

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like i said, i don't think this is any kind of life & death thing. it's smoothing out an annoyance.

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Pure Disco Gold.

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unbalanced i don't actually have any

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mike_c from what i recall BingoBoingo wasn't too adverse to the jumps

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See this here is more chat activity than #altcoin gets in a day. Come on over people!

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I suspect BingoBoingo was the hash raider. Just a theory. No judgment.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69400 @ 0.00082471 = 57.2349 BTC [-] {3}

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unbalanced: I don't have hash...

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You don't need it with LeaseRig.net, see the pastebin somewhere 8 miles up.

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decimation: welcome, fellow зек

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he's not a merchant, he's a market maker. i'm sure the diff changes are great for him.

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You just knew about the max 4x diff jump, I haven't heard many people who know that. But I suppose it makes sense that everyone here would.

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(original etymology: 'зек' was originally 'з/к', sov. bureaucratic abbrev. of 'заключенный' - inmate)

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hence 'zek'

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Where's nubbins? He should be ripping into us for even discussing ATC. Or did he ragequit already?

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;;later tell nubbins I'm in the WOT! Only took what, 4 months from Inception? PM at will.

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The operation succeeded.

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lol, turns out pediwikia has this explained

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;;google site:blockr.io atc

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Altcoin Block Explorer | blockr.io Altcoin Blockchain Market and Price: <http://atc.blockr.io/>; Altcoin block info | blockr.io: <http://atc.blockr.io/block/list/>; 1Kz5QaUPDtKrj5SqW5tFkn7WZh8LmQaQi4 - Blockr.io: <http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/1Kz5QaUPDtKrj5SqW5tFkn7WZh8LmQaQi4>

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;;rate asciilifeform 1 Almost paranoid enough... almost. I learn a ton from him.

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;;google site:bitoin-otc.com nubbins

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No matches found.

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!up unbalanced

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Big day for me, living la vida crypto. Thanks all. Going afk for a while.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00082368 = 6.3012 BTC [-] {2}

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asciilifeform my favorite quote from "the first circle": "A familiar figure in many prison research establishments, Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form, put down his nationality not as 'Russian' but as 'zek', had applied his mind to many inventions, from the direct flow boiler to the jet engine, and had put his heart and soul into several of them."

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here's a 'link' http://klassix.net/keith/Kindle%20Backup%202-20-11/documents/First%20Circle,%20The%20-%20Alexander%20Solzhenitsyn.txt

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00082249 = 18.0537 BTC [-] {2}

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I'm pretty sure that's a crap translation though

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It would be highly satisfying to write "zek" for nationality on an official form

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[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 417 @ 0.00225524 = 0.9404 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00082392 = 18.1262 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.02840016 = 0.3408 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.04400001 = 0.352 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00082344 = 32.4435 BTC [-] {3}

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test

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pong

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2385 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.23500001 = 2.35 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.23500001 = 1.41 BTC [-]

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are we -m again?

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morning fluffy

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mornings

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00082047 = 7.0971 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.02398476 = 1.2712 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0707 = 0.7777 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02391925 = 0.1674 BTC [-]

~ 20 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00082022 = 26.165 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16586 @ 0.00081996 = 13.5999 BTC [-]

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http://priceonomics.com/what-do-rich-people-do-online/

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What Do Rich People Do Online?

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punkman: that dude looks like Magnum PI

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lol

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.03 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 703 @ 0.00228499 = 1.6063 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11011 @ 0.00082047 = 9.0342 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.03 = 0.45 BTC [+]

~ 15 minutes ~

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 85 @ 0.03 = 2.55 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14039 @ 0.00082388 = 11.5665 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07070707 = 0.6364 BTC [+]

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why is it so hard to find a decent watermelon

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do I have to put them up to my ear and tap them?

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lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00081966 = 23.0324 BTC [-] {2}

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why not? there's always weird tricks with food

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I've mastered the chosing of avocados

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I have this 1 weird trick

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it's called tasting

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but you have to open it

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pankkake: yeah that's the problem with watermelons, although the merchants often cut one up for tasting

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but they aren't necessarily the same

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quite often the case

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though I've always had the project of crowdsourcing fruit arrival data

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especially for clementines; batches are very different and there are some characteristics I'm looking for

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I mostly buy local fruit, but fuckers still can't wait until it's ripe enough

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dat log

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2355 BTC [+]

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punkman: they can't make small triangle cut into the melon? here it's usual

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.23421599 = 4.4501 BTC [-] {4}

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jurov, don't they get stuck with a bunch of mediocre watermelons then? or do they sell them to the next sucker

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altcoins are getting really desperate to find a hook: http://i.imgur.com/BRQ7rKl.png

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.232 = 1.16 BTC [-]

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yes, some ppl don't have a clue to ask

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[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.04085759 = 0.8172 BTC [-] {10}

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[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 2169 @ 0.00020095 = 0.4359 BTC [-] {6}

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also, it's generally accepted that not everything sells (aspecially at such scammy prices for groceries)

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picked my apricot tree couple weeks ago, sick of them by now

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bigger yield this year, but less taste

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make a jam or w/e

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than make pankkakes

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I made a couple tarts, still too many left

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http://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/2014/06/12/nsa-custom-hardware-the-fluxbabbitt-implant-and-why-its-important/ => makes me think, hardware keyloggers are a nasty thing

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NSA Custom Hardware: The FLUXBABBITT Implant (And Why It’s Important) | Mike the Crypto Goat

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you can plant them and no one will check the cables every day

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[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 428 @ 0.00227837 = 0.9751 BTC [-]

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pankkake: wireless all the things!

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00233 = 0.1957 BTC [-]

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ew :(

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.23116666 = 5.548 BTC [-] {4}

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http://www.cato.org/blog/did-fda-just-ban-european-cheese

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Did the FDA Just Ban European Cheese? | Cato @ Liberty

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I got some stinky camembert right here

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.07070707 = 1.6263 BTC [+]

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pankkake: oh they changed their mind already, http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/11/wood-aged-cheese-is-ok-says-fda

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Our Short National Cheese Nightmare Is Over: FDA Backtracks on Wood-Aged Cheese - Hit & Run : Reason.com

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg7286661#msg7286661 lol

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Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract! Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

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that's why it's so useless to try

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15461 @ 0.00081928 = 12.6669 BTC [-] {2}

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kakobrekla: did you get banned from Bitcointalk?

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some months ago

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oh I missed that

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actually he god banned twice!

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got*. one temporary and one definitive I suppose

04:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00082466 = 36.0376 BTC [+]

05:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17755 @ 0.00082402 = 14.6305 BTC [-] {2}

~ 18 minutes ~

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new site from The Onion is awesome: http://www.clickhole.com

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Home · Clickhole

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fluffypony: the keyword for kako was "slanderous soul"

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heh

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http://www.clickhole.com/article/elderly-couple-died-two-days-apart-so-why-arent-po-128

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This Elderly Couple Died Two Days Apart, So Why Arent The Police Investigating It? · Clickhole

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lol

~ 20 minutes ~

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19055 @ 0.00082195 = 15.6623 BTC [-]

05:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00082147 = 17.1687 BTC [-]

06:00

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00082064 = 19.8595 BTC [-] {2}

06:00

pankkake: "I've mastered the chosing of avocados" <<< make me your apprentice

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hah hah

06:04

the unpickable "Forever Lock" got picked

06:04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4f1H6mYHOI

06:04

"Forever Lock" bumping, picking, picked - YouTube

06:07

https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=441465.msg7282674#msg7282674

06:07

[6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)

06:07

how would one detect a block witholding attack on a pool ?

06:08

yes fluffypony , pankkake has it. maybe it will be trice soon.

06:11

xmj

fluffypony: i think i'll go suit-hunting now.

06:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 124 @ 0.0707 = 8.7668 BTC [-]

06:11

xmj: ok awesome - also see if there's a place that does tailored shirts as well, need to pick a few up

06:12

>>You didn't know anything.

06:12

You were giving a lot of credit to Garrett by playing the clown/troll.

06:12

You made everything worse.

06:13

LMAO

06:13

I MADE EVERYTHING WORSE

06:13

"Stop making fun of me mom, you made everything worse!!!!11"

06:13

runs to his room to cry.

06:15

lol

06:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk4vnVsx2wc

06:15

CM in - YouTube

06:15

great advertising, I feel like noodles now

06:16

somewhat related http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3386

06:16

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal

06:17

wtf

06:18

what a commercial.

06:18

look samurai, samurai, ball, samurai, some gay dancers, samurai, oh yeah noodles.

06:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PHENQiJFzI

06:20

Bukkake Milk - YouTube

06:20

kakobrekla: (c) Usagi Design Studio, 2014

06:21

what the fuzck what year is this from pankkake

06:21

I only know it's old

06:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58947 @ 0.00081841 = 48.2428 BTC [-] {2}

06:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [-]

06:28

finally, what I've been waiting for http://design.canonical.com/2014/03/making-ubuntu-com-responsive/

06:28

Making ubuntu.com responsive: intro (1) | Ubuntu Design Blog

06:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00082195 = 6.9044 BTC [+]

06:37

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+]

06:37

so ghash io is now at 50% network

06:38

noone gives fucks.

06:42

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8220224768/hA578A447/

06:42

"don't worry guys, I will use my rock to stop this"

06:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2585 @ 0.00082195 = 2.1247 BTC [+]

06:48

yay my Ziks arrived

06:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31546 @ 0.00082022 = 25.8747 BTC [-] {2}

~ 20 minutes ~

07:13

so Tesla is opening their patent portfolio up, and won't sue rival firms who use the patented tech "in good faith"

07:14

that's a change

07:15

also it means Tesla-compatible charging points can be put up by tons of other manufacturers to support "their" cars, as everyone can use the same charging tech

07:17

ooo

07:19

ugh, awoken before 9am by skids next door shouting SATURDAY NIGHT and throwing furniture

07:19

throwing furniture?

07:19

it's friday, ya fuckin dickheads

07:19

yeah

07:19

not an unusual occurrence

07:21

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/scott-jones-says-he-forgives-his-attacker-shane-edward-matheson-1.2673052

07:21

Scott Jones says he forgives his attacker, Shane Edward Matheson - Nova Scotia - CBC News

07:26

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/

07:26

Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin

07:27

Peter Todd was the cause of yesterday's dump?

07:27

fluffypony: it's not that novel though, plenty of companies do it. they patent things as a defensive measure

07:28

pankkake: sure, but the automative industry has a long-standing history of patent-trolling

07:28

http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2013/07/30/the-father-of-all-patent-trolls/

07:28

The Father Of All Patent Trolls - Forbes

07:28

1) braindead 2) braindead 3) BRAINDEAD

07:29

who is this petertodd?

07:30

nevermind that

07:30

look at these posters i made

07:30

http://imgur.com/5Fakoal

07:30

imgur: the simple image sharer

07:30

pankkake: Bitcoin dev

07:30

silver and blue ink on red paper

07:30

I don't think he understands bitcoin

07:30

the blue is transparent so it looks like two different colors :(

07:30

are you sure he's not an altcoin dev?

07:31

pankkake: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors - number 12 on the list

07:31

Contributors to bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub

07:32

31 commits of little fixes. by that count, I'm a developer in hundreds of projects

07:35

anyway, this kind of post is why bitcoin can't be worth $1000. still too many retards

07:41

"It will always be cheaper to run a small amount of hashing power than a large amount" wat

07:41

the more I try to read his brain damage… ugh

07:41

;;gpg info petertodd

07:41

User 'petertodd', with keyid 7FAB114267E4FA04, fingerprint 37EC7D7B0A217CDB4B4E007E7FAB114267E4FA04, and bitcoin address 16BG6DT2p2SMtKJGGzDARbtvjPFJikzhXQ, registered on Wed Apr 25 03:34:22 2012, last authed on Tue Apr 30 19:55:25 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=petertodd . Currently not authenticated.

07:43

;;rate petertodd -1 does not understand bitcoin yet claims to be a developer http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/

07:43

Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin

07:43

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user petertodd has been recorded.

07:43

yeah and they will grow larger

07:48

lolll

07:48

'get rid of pools'

07:48

'and asics'

07:49

when asics have absolutely nothing to do with it

07:50

xmj

fluffypony: so i was partially successful

07:51

yay

08:00

;;rate petertodd -1 writes theses about things he doesn't understand, like networking and bitcoin http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/

08:00

Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin

08:00

Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

08:00

omg you're not even authed?! :(

08:00

!down Mats_cd03

08:00

;D

08:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.0008208 = 21.2587 BTC [+]

08:04

qq

08:12

!up GGGG

08:17

check out the maffs on this dude

08:17

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg7289554#msg7289554

08:17

[NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING | POOL | COINS

08:18

lost 65%, its a longterm win.

08:18

unrealized wins.

08:18

unbalanced: Big day for me, living la vida crypto. Thanks all. Going afk for a while. << that was lulzy lol. like kid with new xmas train.

08:19

you did twice as worse << it's twice as bad

08:19

worse is a superlative and for that reason incomparable.

08:19

but he did so bad

08:19

you cant compare

08:19

yet i had to.

08:20

lol that's a point

08:20

manamex +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

08:20

!up manamex

08:20

hi

08:21

wow it reports now ?

08:21

it reports now.

08:21

only if you are in the wot but not enough THRUST.

08:21

ic

08:22

;;coffee

08:22

Error: "coffee" is not a valid command.

08:22

manamex

thanks

08:22

it does not yet make coffee ?

08:22

:(

08:23

halfassed job

08:23

the usual.

08:23

"Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form" << why the fuck'd anyone fill a form already.

08:23

derpy soviets think they're so smart, let them fill all the forms they want.

08:24

punkman: do I have to put them up to my ear and tap them? << if you can't hear the tap without putting it to your ear it's not a good one anyway

08:25

so what brings you manamex , you only got a 30 min block might as well use it

08:25

fluffypony: are we -m again? << no ?!

08:25

sez +m here

08:26

ya here too

08:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47737 @ 0.0008208 = 39.1825 BTC [+]

08:30

when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird

08:30

hm

08:31

pankkake: you can plant them and no one will check the cables every day << why not ?

08:32

yeah all my catchup logs pushed to me this AM have decimation and unbalanced talking but unvoiced

08:32

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.03 = 0.45 BTC [+]

08:32

probably ZNC being weird

08:32

!down

08:32

fluffypony you prolly lost state at some point ?

08:33

unbalanced kept getting devoiced and i doubt he's yet figured how to pm assbot

08:33

yeah state could have been wonky

08:33

yes definitely out of state:

08:33

[2014-06-13T06:39:35+0200] <mircea_popescu> what's a zek ?

08:33

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.04 = 0.44 BTC [+]

08:33

apparently you weren't voiced for a while

08:33

:-P

08:33

now that's not possible :D

08:33

stupid client

08:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.0008214 = 21.1921 BTC [+] {3}

08:35

davout: how would one detect a block witholding attack on a pool ? << which kind ?

08:37

if you mean to try and double spend, it'd be hard for any pool to do. if you mean, the withholding to hurt the pool, it can't really, but extreme bad luck is always suspicious.

08:37

in principle tho the pools are open to this "who's willing to lose most money" attack, they could start doing it to each other (and perhaps the larger ones have done it to ensure their position already - it's disputed)

08:37

manamex

kakobrekla: I'm new here and looking around, browsing the logs

08:39

zek is a word for an enslaved man in gulag or what have you

08:42

lol the us should ban good cheese. the stuff they call cheese is a disgrace to the name, best just painlessly divorce.

08:44

!up Vexual

08:44

Vexual: thanks :D

08:44

hi all

08:45

fluffypony: shirts shipped. holy shit, it's costly to send mail to .za

08:45

artifexd: your shirts shipped as well

08:45

nubbins`: need me to chip in extra to cover?

08:45

nah, don't worry about it

08:46

i budget ~$10 per shirt for shipping. usually it ends up being much less. yours came to $57 for 6 shirts :D

08:46

o.O

08:46

i know, right?!

08:46

dude are womenz in sa mostly nekkid ?

08:46

then the postman thieves em

08:46

if shipping shirts costs more than the shirts it'd seem practical

08:46

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00225245 = 1.6893 BTC [+]

08:47

mircea_popescu: wait til he tells you about the tariffs on clothing imports

08:47

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 54 @ 0.00225245 = 0.1216 BTC [+]

08:48

"1) Eliminate pools. 2) Provide a way for miners to solo-mine with low varience and frequent mining payouts even with only small amounts of hashing power. 3) Get rid of ASICs." mkay todd is off another planet.

08:49

why not get rid of airplanes while at it, they spread germs, are a threat to diversity and make it really easy for assholes like mp (or genius chinese kids) to fly to retarded backwater places (like the us) and just take over

08:49

nubbins`: holy cowbell

08:49

is that with CanadaPost?

08:49

provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine

08:50

fluffypony, yep. canada is a notoriously expensive place to mail things from

08:50

yeah damn, that is pricey

08:50

europe isn't as bad

08:50

africa/asia are costly

08:50

that's what I'd pay to courier a parcel like that to Canada with Aramex

08:50

well shit, next time send me an empty box and i'll load it up & write RETURN TO SENDER on it ;D

08:50

<nubbins`> provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine << i know right ? i will sell half my gasoline unless this happens.

08:51

mp lel

08:51

ahahaha that trick might just work lmao

08:51

half your gas?!

08:51

i have a bucket o gas.

08:51

i might get out of the gas business altogether

08:51

until saudi stops its 51% attack

08:52

asics deter 50% attacks, it's expensive

08:52

http://imgur.com/tpF7jHs

08:52

imgur: the simple image sharer

08:52

"Do I still think Bitcoin will succeed in the long run? Yes, but I'm a lot less sure of it than I used to be."

08:52

all these derps with their tech fixation.

08:52

the quoted statement contains no information

08:53

gonna take dollars 4 2.5 weeks

08:53

bitcoin will succeed in the long term because i say so. not because todd says or doesn't say so. wtf is this, programmer planet, where programmers matter now ?!

08:53

if programmers mattered, maybe i'd still be one D;

08:53

(almost definitely not, but hey)

08:53

nubbins` some redditardation in earlier log, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/

08:53

Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin

08:53

now he prits t shirts.

08:53

kakobrekla, and posters!

08:53

and posters.

08:54

better posters than posers amirite

08:54

funny thing is, the work i do now actually does matter more

08:54

chew on that

08:54

true, i made bitbet from tshirts.

08:54

and posters.

08:55

i thought it was two cups and a wire

08:55

i thought it was two cups and a girl

08:55

wait, no, that's backwards

08:55

maybe a wire and two girls.

08:55

lol lampelina'll love thart

08:55

how thick is the wire?

08:55

actually she would.

08:55

0000-gauge and up or i'm not watching

08:56

the gauge is the thing that goes in reverse right

08:56

militants advancing towards baghdad

08:56

yah

08:56

who came up with that shit

08:56

quad-0 is just shy of 1/2"

08:56

"BTW If you owe me fiat and normally pay me via Bitcoin, for the next 2.5 weeks you can pay me based on the price I sold at, $650 CAD." << so inadvertently, the guy's holdings are 5 weeks of his income.

08:56

who knows!

08:56

bet its done in two months

08:56

;;ticker

08:56

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 596.0, Best ask: 599.69, Bid-ask spread: 3.69000, Last trade: 596.0, 24 hour volume: 32119.14208210, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 628.77, 24 hour vwap: 587.301256977

08:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00082087 = 17.1151 BTC [-] {2}

08:57

btc/cad is ~660 right now

08:57

i like how the fbi made a neat little bounce

08:57

;;calc 20 * 5 * 5/52 * 45000 / 587

08:57

737.124885336

08:57

the total estimated holdings of the bitcoin power rangers < 1k btc.

08:57

admitting todd's typical.

08:57

kakobrekla: apparently it's an indicator of how many pulls through a drawing die

08:58

(and i do believe he's typical, there's nothing more conformally uniform in the world than tech people.)

08:58

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draw_plate#mediaviewer/File:Draw_plates-two.jpg

08:58

Draw plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

08:58

nubbins` would make sense but it still doesnt.

08:58

0 gauge, bar stock

08:58

1 gauge, pull it thru first hole

08:58

etc

08:58

<Mats_cd03> militants advancing towards baghdad << myeah.

08:58

still pretty silly

08:59

you can tell it sucks if it cant go into negative.

08:59

inorite :(

08:59

negative thickness ?!

08:59

yes!

08:59

like urc0k ?

08:59

zing

08:59

lol

08:59

they just keep adding zeroes until people give up and use mm

09:00

speaking of negative cock thickness, so the good folk here don't fucking import condoms.

09:00

they produce em domesically?

09:00

recycle?

09:00

*

nubbins` ponders economy of scale

09:00

sheep casings?

09:00

cue me in pharmacy with womenz in tow looking askew at the two mds there, with a stupid novelty ladden package onthe counter. "what are trhese!?!?"

09:01

so in the end i order research on condoms. answer comes out that the only half decent brand is "prime"

09:01

imagine, i could scribble "numbers" under it and be a real geek fucking.

09:01

for 3 somes

09:01

imagine if you were to skip the women and fuck a pie

09:01

but anyway, so i go buy one of each type, and as chance would have it i first try the tyhing called "anatomical"

09:01

that thing...

09:01

that thing is so narrow i couldn't fit any part of it in there.

09:02

fucking clitoris condom

09:02

who the hell knew "anatomical" is condom codeword for "i have a very small icepick"

09:02

twist: it's a combination condom/cock ring

09:03

prolly got the condom bachine on aliexpress

09:03

anyway, to quote sublime

09:03

el amigo es un condon en el bolsillo

09:03

lol

09:03

interesting turn for the kurds though

09:04

Mats_cd03 whassat

09:05

they've been shit on for a long time, now they have oil guns and territory

09:05

hahaha

09:06

what are you, like new to this risk! game of international intrigue ?

09:06

maybe they'll become a nation state, the dream of all oppressed little guys

09:06

or maybe they'll becomne dinner

09:06

the actual fate of all opressed little guys

09:06

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/internet-privacy-decision-by-supreme-court-comes-today-1.2673823

09:06

Internet privacy decision by Supreme Court comes today - Technology & Science - CBC News

09:06

they're oppressed for a reason you know. nobody in the entire history of oppression was oppressed for anything but a reason.

09:07

mircea_popescu: "which kind ?" <<< apparently some eligius guy claims they've caught one of their miners doing the withold-correct-block-hashes thing

09:07

sometimes you get a scrappy one. I'll be watching closely

09:07

davout well do they offer any proof ?

09:07

Mats_cd03 care to make it intereskin ?

09:07

none at all, so i was like wtf

09:07

lemme fish the post

09:07

davout so moar drama.

09:07

wait, i thought the withholding hashes thing didn't work because of nonces or some sort of math shit

09:07

seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else.

09:08

nubbins` huh ?

09:08

mircea_popescu: here you go -> https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=441465.msg7282674#msg7282674

09:08

[6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)

09:08

just ignore, rambling

09:09

mircea_popescu: "seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else." <<< nah, just wtfing at this, wondering if i was right to be wtfing or simply stupid

09:09

OHHHH, sorry, i misunderstood

09:09

i thought they were saving up valid hashes to blow their wad all at once

09:09

not the case at all

09:09

davout the guy is a legit miner, but perhaps not too acquainted with logic. they're not detectable, they're susceptionable.

09:10

mircea_popescu: i like that...i wouldn't know what to select for a proposition, though

09:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00082043 = 30.3969 BTC [-] {2}

09:10

(if they actually were detectable they'd logically be prevetnable too)

09:10

Mats_cd03 me either tbh

09:11

to me it sounds retarded to confiscate such an amount on a suspicion, especially when the suspected attacker has no economic incentive to be attacking in the first place

09:11

"My guess is that they never expected to get caught and suffer income loss as a result of their attack. But, once they were caught, I put a filter in place to block them from the payout queue (similar to the block on known MtGox addresses). Eligiuss offline wallet now has roughly 200 BTC work credits held from the payout queue under the attacker's addresses, that we have stopped them from stealing."

09:11

well the other 50% prevents it, and as you tend to 100%, it becomes unprofitable

09:11

so elegius is stealing from some miner they had an argument with.

09:11

how godly

09:11

why the fuck would someone keep a 200 btc balance, and esp with elegius, is beyong me.

09:12

Kurds create sovereign state recognized by majority of nations by 2015?

09:12

"When they noticed, weeks later, they contacted us complaining. We asked them to sign messages to verify they were in fact in control of the addresses in question including asking them to include a real name and location in the signed message, refusing to discuss it until they had done so"

09:12

herpy derp. so basically don't mine with elegius and that's that.

09:12

Luke-Jr: what's with that?

09:12

!up Luke-Jr

09:12

"It has unofficially been decided that if it came down to it, Eligius would shut down before being forced to pay any attacker of any kind any amount whatsoever."

09:13

o look, it's also closing ? isn't this one of the oldest pools still (sort-of) standing ?

09:13

elegius deceiving users? wouldn't be the first time.

09:13

"P.S. - This is unrelated to any of the stats issues that have occurred. (Server migration for the new web server is still under way)"

09:13

dub

inb4: I'd explain but you wouldnt understand

09:14

well the more persuasive explanation is, elegius fucked up a server upgrade (on its sole server, if you don't count an old backup box which is never live anyway), lost some user's accounts

09:14

how much CP does 200btc buy Luke-Jr ?

09:14

and is now going into uberderpage mode to cover it up

09:15

forum responds : "WOOT WTG WK!!! you teach them that messing with our pool isn't an option Great job on catching them and stopping them from getting their reward for doing nothing Finally some scammers didn't get to scam...oh how good that makes me feel...lost 21 coins to some lying cheating bastards already one was the btcrow or some website email scam..thought i was using escrow but was really sending them the coi

09:15

ns oh well...Great job on running the pool WK!! couldn't ask for a better pool op"

09:15

these people should vote, seriously. then we'd finally have real democracy, when nothing and nobody prevents these people from giving their "opinion" on how public affairs should be run

09:15

and we'll all be happy and everything plentiful and good.

09:15

!up Vexual

09:16

kakobrekla: shouldn't you be asking Brock?

09:17

oh wait wait.

09:17

who is brock

09:17

;;google brock

09:17

Brock - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia: <http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Brock>; Brock (anime) - Bulbapedia - Bulbagarden: <http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Brock_(anime)>; Brock (Pokémon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_(Pok%C3%A9mon)>

09:17

ah

09:17

the even more logical conclusion : there's some miner going around with 32 bit hardware, that's unable to correctly handle 64 bit nonces

09:17

and so doesn't submit the winning block half the time it finds it, and doesn't care to fix his hardware.

09:17

kakobrekla: Bryan Singer's buddy

09:18

this has been known for fucking months, except apparently not by the elegius admin crew.

09:18

lel

09:18

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bryan-singer-sex-abuse-case-699828

09:18

Bryan Singer Sex Abuse Case: The Troubling History Behind the Accusations - The Hollywood Reporter

09:18

congrats on wizkid for making things sound retarded i guess.

09:19

dunno if it makes any difference but bitstamp has a company registered for each of its ~20 'employees' here in slovenia.

09:19

kakobrekla: like 1 company per employee?

09:19

yep

09:19

neato

09:20

kakobrekla because they want the low tax

09:20

they get 20k euro per corp or so, if they make one per employee that's a 400k deduction

09:20

when does co tax become beneficial in slov??

09:20

oh

09:21

kakobrekla: interdasting

09:21

i thought it might be, "we'll set you up as a co coz youll be making 1 million withing 6 months"

09:22

"now code"

09:22

CSS HARDER!

09:22

all the styles!

09:23

i don't know slovenia from slovakistan

09:25

Naphex check this out :

09:25

"In 5.16, I post my ticket.

09:25

In 5.21, you replied to request signature for my address, I replied.

09:25

In 5.23, you found my signature is wrong. after investigate, I found that I add a extra space on somewhere, then I re-sign the text. Then, a week passed. "

09:25

this is why i say the thing sucks and shouldn't be used.

09:26

makes it too damned easy for anyone to arbitrarily reject signs, which goes entirelky against the fucking point of a signature in the first place.

09:27

and the forumtards respond : ""If I didn't do it I would say that I didn't do it. You wrote a very long post and not one time did you say that you did not do it. To me, that says a lot! Don't bother now, it's too late.

09:27

some real king solomons out there, we're so fortunate to have everything the cat dragged in "involved" in bitcoin. thank you accessibility, thank you ever so.

09:28

"Even if it was unintentional you fucked up at everyone elses expense. Other people paid for your mistake in coding. You should return ALL the BTC you've mined." << someone was going on about how the confiscation "restored their faith in HUMANITY". this is then humanity, at its core. dunno why anyone'd want any part of it.

09:28

anyway, nice find davout

09:30

;;later tell decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhOqrvCwOsU

09:30

Charlie's Country - Clip: "Licence" - YouTube

09:30

The operation succeeded.

09:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00081972 = 12.4188 BTC [-]

09:31

mircea_popescu: i just realized the "WOOT WTG WK!" quote was actually what someone said

09:31

it was.

09:32

that resonates with asciilifeform's comment wrt taleb piercing the bozo field

09:32

anyway, ghash having 51% is

09:32

WAY better than that fuckwit eleutheria having 51%

09:33

fuck wrong person

09:33

last time that happened we ended up with a hard fork. so far ghash is 0-1 on the score.

09:34

;;later tell decimation that was meant for Mats_cd03 regarding whether or not he needed a ham license for his hackrf

09:34

The operation succeeded.

09:36

ghash is boss pool

09:37

for as long that'll last.

09:37

TAT asked was it bullshit

09:37

seems not

09:38

yeah some other bastard will bring more peta with tricker deployment measures, and bitcoin succeeds

09:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00082286 = 7.9817 BTC [+]

09:42

theres a reason dogetreats are priced in satoshi

09:42

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00230894 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3}

09:45

pankkake: who is this petertodd? << one of the saner of the power ranger bunch.

09:46

heya

09:47

pankkake: "It will always be cheaper to run a small amount of hashing power than a large amount" wat << in good tech tradition, he understands nothing of business, including the fact that he understands nothing of it.

09:47

bitcoinpete hey

09:47

ohaaaai bitcoinpete

09:47

hmm

09:47

lol someone's chipper this morning

09:48

i wonder will these SR coins auction for below or above market rate

09:49

nubbins`: the sr coins will go for market rate because they are market rate

09:49

more or less

09:49

limited by only being accessible to us citizens and whatnot

09:49

nubbins` the announced price will be under market rate. the "winner" will not actually have to pay anything, but will have to support usg policy.

09:49

hm, i woulda put my money on above market rate

09:49

bitcoinpete they're not limited to being accessible to us citizens. they're limited to being accessible to that one corp that makes the most convincing case it'll be useful.

09:50

there's gotta be at least a few financial institutions/hedge funds/whatever that want btc but don't want to purchase from a foreign exchange, guy on the street, etc

09:50

nubbins` so make a bitbet. "the announced price of the usms sale will be under market rate at that time"

09:50

mircea_popescu i'd love to be the one reading those proposals

09:50

i just may

09:50

nubbins` so ?

09:50

!up veeminer

09:50

!up Vexual

09:51

so, now's their chance

09:51

mircea_popescu: is the auction not based on price alone?

09:51

nubbins` no, it's not.

09:51

"we promise to use these bitcoins to finance libraries for coindeskers"

09:51

fluffypony it's not bnased on th price at all. the fuck does the usg need 50mn

09:51

that's fucking retarded.

09:51

no it's not.

09:51

it's the usg laundering its ill gotten bitcoins.

↖

09:51

"we promise to use these bitcoin to finance roads to hawaii"

09:51

no I don't mean from there perspective

09:51

through a "sale" to a "private" party.

09:52

ah

09:52

anyway, they'll announce it as somewhat under market.

09:52

sadly i have little avenue to bitchslap them

09:52

but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that.

09:53

does d really mean discount?

09:53

so is that them diddling the "price" leading up to the auction?

09:53

(it's really the same thing, trying to use the propaganda machine to control btc via "news" of "sales")

09:53

bitcoinpete doubt it.

09:53

a ok

09:54

just the usual mommentum traders getting raped yet again.

09:54

but if i don't hop on the train, i'll never travel

09:54

sure, it might be in the wrong direction, but hey

09:54

right-o.

09:55

i'm a part of this thing &c &c

09:55

mircea_popescu: wrt to the d. series, in case of acquisition the asset becomes worthless, right?

09:56

davout that'll be a case by case basis.

09:56

if they do a reverse-ipo for instance it'll stick.

09:56

mircea_popescu but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that. << can you explain "they've been moving?"

09:57

bitcoinpete the "we're selling bitcoin" news manipulation went in days before the "i'm going to kill your "investment" news manipulation" announcement.

09:57

why not at any prior point for the past... year ?

09:57

a yes

09:58

there's room for coincidence

09:58

i mean, the number of people who knew about d.series

09:58

makes for a hard, but not impossible, pill to swallow

09:58

🍺

09:59

traders talk. if they didn't, they couldn't trade. it's a complex beast.

10:00

to be sure

10:01

davout generally i might do something like "in case of acquisition by listed corp, you get the delta for the next 30 days"

10:01

i guess i didn't read the usg sale as propaganda-y

10:01

tho that's kinda dubious, but hey

10:02

bitcoinpete bitcoin is war, you know.

10:02

30 mil pays some wages

10:02

mircea_popescu: nothing less. our mafia vs theirs

10:03

i guess it'd have to be 'ganda, or else they'd just keep their coins like a sane person

10:03

http://imgur.com/BfgSfq4

10:03

imgur: the simple image sharer

10:04

lel

10:04

"Mac Pro cold boots a Windows Server 2012 R2 Domain Controller in 3 seconds. Coffee keeps getting cold - no opportunity to take a sip."

10:05

anyone ever seriously ran a system in their history that took longer ?

10:05

i count to three and start throwing things

10:05

asciilifeform http://klassix.net/keith/Kindle%20Backup%202-20-11/documents/First%20Circle,%20The%20-%20Alexander%20Solzhenitsyn.txt << how bad a translation is this iyo ?

10:06

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.03 = 0.21 BTC [+]

10:07

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07070707 = 0.2121 BTC [+]

10:08

>I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks!

10:08

and this dude is voiced in this chan.

10:08

clearly something is off.

10:09

lol

10:09

unvoice the heretic!

10:09

haha

10:09

lampelina did you put stuff in my food?

10:09

"will my investment tank? yes, but who cares?"

10:11

nubbins`: with all this great violin music on the titanic...

10:11

mp, not everyone is running ms-dos ;(

10:11

hah

10:11

"other than that, mrs. lincoln, how was the play?"

10:12

<kakobrekla> and this dude is voiced in this chan. << whjo ?!

10:12

*drumroll*

10:12

Blazedout419

10:12

wat

10:12

;;rated Blazedout419

10:12

You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun Mar 2 12:59:46 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: trusted trader.

10:13

Blazedout419 dude are you serious even ?!

10:13

it took me like 4 months to figure out what "nastyfans" was

10:13

"why would you pay money to be in this weird club?" etc

10:13

not quite 420

10:13

cause only 65% loss compared to the average of 99%

10:14

then i realized they were doing the careful-language-dance

10:14

nubbins` some random dork's odd approach to legal matters.

10:14

nod

10:14

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 50 @ 0.04 = 2 BTC [+]

10:14

anyway, whatever happened of nefario's buttbuddy, some chav running "red star mining" ?

10:14

if we don't CALL it shares in a mining security...

10:14

hes dickslexical

10:15

they're still on the go

10:15

the swede bought all his shit before he lab coined

10:15

http://imgur.com/oKK1OBf

10:15

imgur: the simple image sharer

10:15

he got butthurd when i left him negative feedback for running a self moderated thread

10:15

^ there's the ceo at a recent conference

10:15

looks like zacdelasomeone

10:16

shhhh!!

10:16

ignore the drums too

10:16

concentrate on the large ASICs in the foreground

10:16

oh i see it now nubbins`, and ive more money than before

10:17

nod

10:17

makes sense, yes?

10:17

nod

10:17

<Vexual> the swede bought all his shit before he lab coined << how quaint.

10:18

god, i can't even remember what scam the swede was pushing

10:18

i should write this shit down

10:19

he was the PR for Labcoin

10:19

riiiiiiiiiight

10:19

prolly on cryptostocks now ? red star?

10:19

but every good scam uses random forum users for PR

10:19

oh, in the meantime, i see charlie shrem is active on the forums again

10:19

alberto armandi, one of the best.

10:19

<+fluffypony> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/ ---- I love how everyone is acting like something can be done.

10:19

Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin

10:19

Vexual: on the 796 exchange

10:19

ah

10:21

!up Vexual

10:21

ThickAsThieves that's whatreddit is for neh ? for people who can't do anything to pretend like they're doing things.

10:22

;;gettrust assbot Vexual

10:22

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never

10:23

hmm, this new death grips album features bjork on all the tracks

10:23

ooh

10:23

yeah

10:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00081963 = 35.367 BTC [-] {2}

10:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDinXI0bxM&list=PL55Jv4fGPIb-L4Q2i2DGNWMI6fPh9MBUD

10:23

Death Grips - Up My Sleeves - YouTube

10:24

lel, there's a track called "have a sad cum"

10:24

;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419

10:24

Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013

10:24

AS IF I NEED TO BE TOLD D;

10:24

http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Blazedout419

10:24

#bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph

10:24

nubbins` hm ?

10:25

just curious

10:25

for a sec i thought "wow, mp rated rg +10?"

10:25

then i lrnd 2 rd grafs

10:25

lol

10:26

<+mircea_popescu> davout so moar drama. /// you know what that means!

10:26

more testicles = more iron

10:26

more drama = ???

10:27

moar price! moons!

10:27

ah

10:27

this will wreak havoc on the tides

10:27

i'm glad my house is up the hill from the water

10:28

oh hey, fun fact: i'd have to fly west to visit argentina

10:29

artifexd

nubbins`: Awesome. Thanks!

10:29

thank YOU

10:29

artifexd

No. Thank YOU!

10:29

hmm

10:29

it seems we've reached a stalemate

10:29

*

nubbins` rattles sabre

10:29

artifexd

Thanks for everyone then.

10:30

no u

10:31

nubbins` west ?!

10:31

yup

10:31

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/St+John's,+NL/

10:31

St John's, NL - Google Maps

10:31

zoom out til you can see

10:31

nubbins` what time you got at m ?

10:31

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/wrongness-ok-and-not/

10:31

noon

10:31

you're not flying west or east then

10:32

not through time, no

10:32

but through space, yes

10:32

well....

10:32

you aint light either

10:32

wut ? lol

10:33

st john's is directly north of uruguay's easternmost border

10:33

if you're not leaving your timezone what west is that

10:33

usure you got those graphs ?

10:33

heh.

10:33

i'm definitely leaving my time zone

10:34

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_Time_Zone

10:34

Newfoundland Time Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10:34

"I have a steakhouse dinner tonight in honor of Eric Cantor with some business economists;"

10:34

dude the fucking bullshit habit of renaming stuff you were already gonna do.

10:34

hmm

10:34

http://www.fgienr.net/time-zone/fuseaux.gif

10:34

here's a news flash : if you're not having AN EXTRA dinner on top of your normal dinner, you're not having a dinner in honor of anybodyu

10:35

http://pastebin.com/74NURN3j

according to that, i'd be flying west and turning my watch forward

10:35

*

nubbins` scratches head

10:35

justusranvier

10:35

Exciting changes at BitAngels - an update on multiple fronts - Pastebin.com

10:35

just like some dorks that meet each friday for a beer attheir pub can't just put up a sign saying "bitcoin conference hackathon and miss universe contest"

10:35

grand unified theory of where nubbns is

10:35

I have a steakhouse dinner tonight in honor of my hunger

10:35

and pretend like their alleged conference-hackathon-topless party attracted a huge crowd

10:36

Vexual: they even colored us grey on that map

10:36

wywialm

hello -assets

10:36

the color of honor and dignity

10:36

hi wyw

10:36

justusranvier no word about how "we're some contemptible pieces of shit that lied about things and were made a public mockery when the people we lied about never heard of us" ?

10:36

nice pr.

10:38

actually, funny coincidence

10:38

there's a town here called Argentia

10:38

mircea_popescu: lol "everyone was there!"

10:38

not to be confused with Argentina (unless you're a spell-check)

10:38

i guess since the dork in question can't gpg sign, i could make a pastebin too. let's have some fun

10:42

WOAH

10:42

so the violent lesbian who lives next door looks about 8 months pregnant

10:42

*

nubbins` scratches head

10:43

I have a neighbor that's looked the same for about 2 years.

10:43

cool story bro

10:43

maybe her baby petrified

10:43

i've heard of this

10:43

Funnily enough, she proclaimed 'And I'm not pregnant' in the same breath she introduced herself.

10:45

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithopedion

10:45

Lithopedion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10:45

divine insemination

10:45

russia looks real big on that projection

10:45

lithopedia, the stone babies anyone can edit

10:46

greenland too

10:46

the antichrist needs 36 months to gestate

10:46

yeah, thats an equatorialist map

10:46

Nintendo won't add Twitch streaming to Wii U: 'What's fun about that?' --- Nintendo rox

10:46

nintendo, big on fun

10:46

i bought a wii u a couple weeks ago

10:47

youve got about 5.5 months until it dies

10:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00082286 = 12.2195 BTC [+]

10:48

the baby?!

10:48

consoles shoudnt have batteries

10:48

oh, the wii u

10:48

how else you gonna keep the clock running?

10:49

the thing is quite obviously an aborted vr headset

10:50

http://pastebin.com/WgTAmXTm

10:50

Exciting changes at BitAngels - an update on multiple fronts - Pastebin.com

10:50

there, much better.

10:50

all i know is mario kart 8 is fun ;(

10:50

oooh

10:50

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.04 = 0.76 BTC [+]

10:51

<TomServo> Funnily enough, she proclaimed 'And I'm not pregnant' in the same breath she introduced herself. << cirrhosis ?

10:51

mircea_popescu: lmao there we go

10:51

ficksed!

10:52

not sure if i missed it, is mpif trading NMC now too?

10:53

lel @ tourists outside taking pictures of the row houses

10:53

!up Vexual

10:53

if only they knew

10:53

ThickAsThieves manager studying thepossibility.

10:54

ThickAsThieves you may find this interesting

10:54

http://imgur.com/5Fakoal

10:54

imgur: the simple image sharer

10:55

finally got an excuse to use silver ink

10:55

nubbins` btw,can you make me gold ink business cards?

10:55

neat, i only ever did maybe two metallic ink projects

10:55

mircea_popescu of course

10:55

on kickass silk paper ?

10:56

a jewelry gift bag, and a annual meeting invitation

10:56

how about kickass cotton paper?

10:56

silken finish ?

10:56

mp make sure you are clear on the difference between metallic ink and foil embossed

10:56

ah, cotton finish?

10:56

ThickAsThieves im clueless. halp ?

10:56

foil embossed looks like gold leaf stuck to the paper

10:57

ink looks like graphite basically

10:57

could shave in it

10:57

foil looks like metal

10:57

i think i have pics of gold ink on cotton, one sec

10:57

ah that's what i want, foil embossed

10:57

of course showing pics of metallic ink...

10:57

doesnt get you much

10:57

mircea_popescu: please tell me you're working on a trilema post for the angels pastebin. if not, i'm on it

10:58

ThickAsThieves so what does itdo ? just discretely sparkle ?

10:58

bitcoinpete go for it

10:58

yeah like a bit better than pencil lead

10:58

if i put the idiots on trilema that'd increase their "brand" by 10k%, just for a post.

10:58

i c. well thanks for that lol.

10:58

it's neat looking on uncoated paper

10:59

mircea_popescu: booyah

10:59

it's just not the same thing as foil

10:59

mircea_popescu: It's a good possibility.

10:59

so nubbins` can you do foil embossed over paper that looks like i cut it out of a high class whore's bedsheets ?

10:59

i should also note, i personally find foil to be supremely tacky

10:59

so...

10:59

yeah, foil sucks

10:59

that's the point.

10:59

not when you're me.

10:59

http://imgur.com/XRhLDJs

10:59

imgur: the simple image sharer

10:59

^ gold ink

11:00

ah tjat's not so bad

11:00

it shimmers

11:00

way better than just some graphite.

11:00

nubbins` got a foil one anywhere ?

11:00

yeah the gold ink does come off better than the silver

11:00

we're not set up for foil

11:00

embossing is nice too

11:00

i see. okay! so why are there two "colors" of gold ?

11:01

that's the light shining off it

11:01

cause it's metallic

11:01

mircea_popescu: how bad a translation is this iyo << acceptable translation. (had occasion to read original quite recently.)

11:01

i mean the blank seems to have a margin around it

11:01

asciilifeform ty

11:01

ah yes yes

11:01

oh that's just at 50% coverage or such

11:01

that's a solid border with halftone dots in the middle

11:01

nubbins` so do you have muy luxurious paper ?

11:01

mircea_popescu: "there, much better." <<< nice

11:02

mircea_popescu our go-to cotton paper is stonehenge 250gsm, nice and thick, used by steadman, vonnegut, etc

11:02

is it pale pale pink ?

11:02

like boiled in cuntwater ?

11:02

lol

11:02

heh

11:03

we generally buy "cream" which can look pinkish in some lights

11:03

but can you buy cuntish, which looks pinkish in all lights ?

11:03

you can print cuntish

11:03

^

11:03

how's that work ?

11:03

stonehenge doesn't come in cuntish

11:03

mad foldin on the back

11:03

you flood print the whole sheet

11:03

nubbins` got anything that does ?

11:03

but we could just print a light pink base laye

11:04

r

11:04

i c

11:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00082358 = 11.2007 BTC [+] {2}

11:04

but is this stonehedge shiny ?

11:04

metallic on shiny is not good

11:04

nope, coated (shiny) papers don't print well

11:04

hmm

11:04

now, we can get black cotton paper

11:04

hm

11:04

black is not bad.

11:04

looks pretty rich

11:05

ok, make me 100 black 100 floodprinted pale cunt color ? how do i give you the face ?

11:05

vector format is best

11:05

.ai, .pdf. .eps

11:05

.svg, even

11:05

what dpi you got ?

11:05

all the dpi

11:06

lol all the dpi. what px size is the card ?

11:06

this is silkscreen, dpi is for digital prints ;D

11:06

300dpi if you're including bitmaps

11:06

;;google business card size

11:06

How Big is a Standard Size Business Card? - Desktop Publishing: <http://desktoppub.about.com/od/businesscards/f/What-Is-The-Size-Of-A-Standard-Business-Card.htm>; Business Card Sizes « Designers Toolbox: <http://designerstoolbox.com/designresources/businesscards/>; Business card - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_card>

11:06

.corel

11:06

if it's just shapes/text, size doesn't really matter

11:07

nubbins` it's just text but i use obscure fonts :D

11:07

oic

11:07

convert 'em to shapes / outlines :D

11:07

(i do too)

11:07

in inkscape, Path > Object to path

11:07

so 1050 x 600 px good for you ?

11:07

sure

11:07

cool.

11:08

what's a 100 cost ?

11:08

100? save some til next conference, i want one

11:09

100 costs same as 1000 probly

11:09

a black on gold design i did once: http://imgur.com/rPXbIyZ

11:09

imgur: the simple image sharer

11:09

gold on black...

11:09

ThickAsThieves not bad

11:10

she wanted olde timey

11:10

nice

11:11

let me see

11:11

100 black + 100 pussy pink would run ya about $160

11:12

per-unit cost decreases dramatically with larger orders, of course

11:12

and 1k each ?

11:12

"It's with great excitement that we unveil the new Bitcoin.com, a user-friendly resource that shows how to acquire, store and spend your bitcoins." http://www.bitcoin.com/

11:12

Bitcoin.com

11:12

$400

11:13

so basically bitcoin.com has been marketized

11:13

ThickAsThieves basically.

11:13

nubbins` you ever shipped anything to argentina before ?

11:13

it's partner logos

11:13

yay

11:13

and very american

11:14

not that i can recall

11:14

lol

11:14

nubbins` i wonder how long it takes

11:14

airmail, maybe a week or two

11:14

surface, maybe 4-6 weeks

11:15

;/

11:15

xpresspost, within a week

11:15

all guesswork here :D

11:15

ima have to see if there's a local solution

11:15

you could always run the job through 4over.com, the paper wouldnt be quite as nice, but few would notic

11:16

it's definitely cheaper to get cards done locally

11:16

they have 16pt uncoated and do metallics

11:16

bueos airies gets planes muy times day

11:16

vistaprint makes 'em for what, 7 cents each?

11:16

ah price drp

11:16

op

11:16

wow lag

11:16

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 143 @ 0.00221413 = 0.3166 BTC [-] {12}

11:16

how long does the moose take?

11:16

Vexual, about 3 hours in a stew

11:16

quicker for sausages

11:16

the average mammal takes 21secs to pee

11:16

lol

11:17

nubbins` i dunno, prolly will be more expensive locally, cause they got hsit for tech

11:17

but it won't liklely be two weeks.

11:17

ahh

11:17

or so i hope.

11:17

tho with these people...

11:17

and smaller

11:17

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 157 @ 0.00208151 = 0.3268 BTC [-] {5}

11:17

yeah, i mean, it'd take us two weeks just to get the paper and print the cards

11:17

up-side is that you look like a baller handing out hand-printed business cards

11:18

maybe eventually, but i'll have to be handing out somethingmeanwhile.

11:18

nod

11:18

man gotta have cards

11:18

developers are offloading

11:18

developers hold btc?

11:18

;)

11:18

lolol i kno rite?

11:19

i wonder will goat ever get around to getting his certs printed

11:19

mircea_popescu: they got hsit for tech << speaking of which, know of any civilized electronics plants in Ar?

11:20

nope.

11:20

Arkansas?

11:20

oh Argentina lol

11:21

L-kansas.

11:22

now, if you're getting printed shit shipped to you, might as well go full-throttle, order up some mpex propaganda posters, get one of your staff to go around wheatpasting them in the financial district

11:22

asciilifeform: lol

11:22

diametric

asciilifeform: my friend johnny is still interested, when I met with him in DC recently and he told me about his new pnp machine, said he was interested.

11:23

im not much interested in advertising on the street in argentina tho

11:23

diametric

asciilifeform: we could go visit it anytime as well.

11:23

diametric

Rather I should rephrase, I have a standing invite to visit ultimachine whenever I want, I could bring you with

11:23

!up Vexual

11:24

diametric: neato. probably should get a quote first, don't wanna waste his time

11:24

street advertising is very effective with the right message

11:24

doesn't argentina have crazy capital controls?

11:25

nubbins`: I want a shirt

11:26

nubbins` it does, yes.

11:27

effective, in what sense ?

11:28

thestringpuller:

11:29

;;echo 25/[ticker --last]

11:29

25/ 591.94

11:29

WAT

11:29

mircea_popescu: effective in that it can make people think about, or do, things they wouldn't otherwise

11:30

;;calc 25/[ticker --last]

11:30

0.0424448217317

11:30

thestringpuller: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG

11:30

just got my first betbet refferal payment today

11:30

didn't mp ask someone to poster wall st?

11:30

I wonder how much referal money I missed before the time thing got fixed?

11:31

nubbins`: does that include shipping? I'm technically international

11:31

yep, shipping included

11:31

peterl how much was it ?

11:32

like 0.5 mB

11:32

and how long ago was it fixed ? coupla months ?

11:32

how long had you been advertising it ?

11:32

if you've not changed much just multiply those two

11:32

I think I started in January?

11:32

so like 1mb ?

11:33

yeah, scammer you all ripped me off! ;)

11:40

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/7156/125/

11:40

Michael Geist - Supreme Court Delivers Huge Victory for Internet Privacy & Blows Away Gov't Plans for Reform

11:45

Adieu

11:45

"The court notes that ISPs are not required to disclose this information and this case reaches the conclusion that they are not permitted to do so absent a warrant either."

11:48

[HAVELOCK] [SHA] 95 @ 0.042 = 3.99 BTC

11:50

get dat SHA

11:51

yay card design ready

11:51

let's take a peek!

11:53

http://trilema.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/

11:53

If you’re one of the numerous Buenos Aires printing shops I’ll be harassing over the day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:53

lol

11:54

somehow i expected exactly this picture

11:54

heh

11:54

lol, pink or otherwise black paper

11:54

:D

11:54

that design is hideous

11:54

ah it's all squished in your blog

11:55

art deco is the new modern

11:55

ThickAsThieves wellyeah

11:55

i'd use something readable for the fp

11:55

asciilifeform its not readable ?

11:55

say, c64 bitmap font

11:56

mthreat care to recommend a print shop that can print gold leaf/ink ?

11:56

comic sans

11:56

well at least you didnt use helvetica

11:56

how the hell is it not readable

11:56

these are like the most distinct glyphs ever

11:56

nubbins` it's been the new modern since what, the 20s ?

11:56

mircea_popescu: i don't know, haven't printed anything like biz cards yet here

11:56

which 20s?

11:56

:D

11:56

:D

11:56

the "8" looks like a snowman

11:57

heh

11:57

but i hope you go in asking for cunt-colored pink

11:57

howdo you even say cunt in this language

11:57

i think the word is "concha" but i'd have to ask around

11:57

^

11:57

los_pantalones

y

11:57

as in "concha de tu madre"

11:58

color cono ?

11:58

Gotham would be a better font for a text-only card like this

11:58

nubbins` how;s it text only ?

11:58

glyphs only ;D

11:59

mthreat i think concha is polite, like cock.

11:59

we should go for "fuckstick" or stay home.

11:59

working on someone else's code _and_ having to learn a ui api is a pain in the ass

11:59

los_pantalones

rosado de cono

11:59

fuckport.

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87529984 BTC to 8`768 shares, 21388 satoshi per share

12:00

ah ya, looks like "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:4f43a6b3445b9a5aa6bcf173034b7962187151aef339d6f4e604160b

12:00

oops

12:00

damn pbcopy

12:00

cañón salmón

12:01

billetera de jamon?

12:01

mircea_popescu: if you want gold leaf, have these... pcb etched.

12:01

lmao

12:01

ooo

12:01

and so i go around with a bag for 100 cards?

12:01

mircea_popescu: seriously. spec for thinnest flex-leaf pcb

12:02

they'll be roughly the thichness of 2 or 3 ordinary cardboards.

12:03

http://cdn.instructables.com/FXV/180S/GQ5PYP4P/FXV180SGQ5PYP4P.MEDIUM.jpg

12:03

ThickAsThieves: specifically not this

12:03

haha

12:04

but it's so classy

12:04

asciilifeform maybe you should spec for a pcb

12:04

http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/d/adafruit-flex-perma-proto.png

12:04

S.NSA CTO

12:04

buy buy buy

12:05

mircea_popescu: i'll stuff it in a gerber for you, if you can crank up the minimal line thickness to 0.2mm

12:05

xmj

ThickAsThieves: some company at EuroBSDcon last year had 3.5" floppies as 'business cards'

12:05

has a fetch for old computers

12:05

sell sell sell

12:05

asciilifeform i saw cut cds at sdome point

12:05

they're likely to cost ~$5 each, though.

12:05

depending on where baked.

12:06

no bag needed if you thread a rope through the holes.

12:07

uh oh, biglog

12:07

penguirker

New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/

12:07

hang them on your belt

12:07

right next to your onions

12:07

lol

12:08

and youyr trusted hammer

12:09

not a bad way to cement a reputation for madness

12:14

*

asciilifeform wonders who the first bozo with scratch-off btc business cards will be

12:17

haha

12:17

not bad

12:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00082276 = 24.6828 BTC [-]

12:35

penguirker

New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/13/bitangels-the-loudest-noise-you-never-did-hear/

12:36

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2215 = 0.886 BTC [-]

12:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34343 @ 0.00081994 = 28.1592 BTC [-] {2}

12:39

bitcoinpete lol note 7 makes it.

12:39

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 33 @ 0.0038 = 0.1254 BTC [-]

12:44

<kakobrekla> >I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks! // who is this?

12:44

mhm

12:44

^^ wrong window

12:44

ah nm found it

12:46

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2215 BTC [-]

12:47

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.221 BTC [-]

12:49

oh here we go

12:49

he is trolling it

12:49

benkay that was me

12:50

gotta run though

12:50

HEY IDIOT COME BACK WE NEED TO NEEDLE YOU MORE

12:50

have a good day

12:50

OK FLAME ME LATER

12:54

;;rated Blazedout419

12:54

You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun May 4 23:13:39 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: doesn't understand the WoT; don't trust this user's ratings.

12:58

http://www.coindesk.com/search-engine-duckduckgo-now-lets-users-check-bitcoin-balances/ ah nice. it used to return nonsensical results

12:58

Search Engine DuckDuckGo Now Lets Users Check Bitcoin Balances

12:58

;;rate BingoBoingo 3 mpif manager, decent gambler, good blogger.

12:58

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

12:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00081949 = 17.3732 BTC [-] {2}

13:02

decent gambler... nice

13:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22013973 BTC [-]

13:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00082345 = 27.0915 BTC [+] {4}

13:17

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07070707 = 0.3535 BTC [+]

13:18

oh god, this coffee

13:19

first decent cup i've had in months

13:20

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07070707 = 0.2828 BTC [+]

13:31

mircea_popescu: devils come to tempt you: http://imgur.com/DaZyTPg,MfVbeHG,0tCxX1m#0

13:31

imgur: the simple image sharer

13:35

asciilifeform that was a sweet graphic

13:35

did you make that?

13:35

TheNewDeal: aye. 5 minutes of wank

13:36

TheNewDeal: it's a snapshot of gerber mask. if he's crazy enough he could send this out for fab.

13:36

gerber mask?

13:37

TheNewDeal: pcb photo positives

13:37

ahhh

13:37

Naphex

hey o/

13:37

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 797 @ 0.00226585 = 1.8059 BTC [+]

13:38

TheNewDeal: well he did say 'no you draw it'

13:39

TheNewDeal: rope (or keyring, whatever) through the borehole on upper left hand corner.

13:40

TheNewDeal: he did say 'can anyone make gold leaf on black' - sure. now he can.

13:48

nubbins`: you still here sorry I went to lunch I have the payment ready

13:48

yah, did you see the address?

13:48

*

nubbins` scrolls back

13:49

;;calc 25/[ticker --last]

13:49

0.0432226832642

13:49

^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG

13:50

pm me size/address when you're ready

13:50

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 95 @ 0.02998722 = 2.8488 BTC [-] {2}

13:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22969 @ 0.00081805 = 18.7898 BTC [-]

14:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 130.74760208 BTC to 77`492 shares, 168724 satoshi per share

14:00

"fluffypony: when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird" << I actually sent "gpg unauth" to gribble before sending "test"

14:01

sorry if that messed with you, I was trying to see if I would be auto-kicked; apparently not

14:03

nubbins`, I want one too!

14:04

oh, NOW gribble messages me

14:09

;;ticker

14:09

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.78, Best ask: 580.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 580.99, 24 hour volume: 36038.91241980, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 619.0, 24 hour vwap: 584.833373188

14:15

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0708 = 1.2744 BTC [+]

14:20

http://imgur.com/8565LBS

14:20

imgur: the simple image sharer

14:25

i think gribs waits til you speak to deliver your messages

14:26

danielpbarron: got it, thanks

14:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00081875 = 27.8375 BTC [+] {3}

14:33

benkay hahahahahahah

14:38

hey has anyone done any work estimating mining returns with infinite series?

14:38

monte carlo all the butts...

14:39

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0302497 = 0.3025 BTC [+]

14:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00082088 = 20.9324 BTC [+]

14:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00082242 = 16.2839 BTC [+] {2}

14:46

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.03025 = 1.0588 BTC [+]

14:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26676 @ 0.00081709 = 21.7967 BTC [-] {3}

14:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07079 = 0.2832 BTC [+]

14:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8667 @ 0.00082367 = 7.1387 BTC [+] {2}

15:03

[12:54pm] <+danielpbarron> ;;rated Blazedout419

15:03

lol your ratings are a joke

15:03

so far down my list

15:04

o look

15:04

its the forum investor

15:04

;;ratingsystem getrating danielpbarron

15:04

Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net . User danielpbarron, rated since Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013. Cumulative rating 14, from 19 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 4 negative. Sent ratings: 61 positive, 11 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron

15:04

oh look I bought shares a year ago who cares

15:04

a whopping 1.5 BTC worth

15:04

skinkavaj is that you?

15:05

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0708 = 1.416 BTC [+]

15:05

no idea what that means

15:05

what amazing service do you run

15:05

AMAZING COMPANY!

15:05

indeed

15:05

I just mine..not invest so

15:06

I do like to keep an eye on this stuff though

15:06

hah! get it? what AMAZING bot does kako run?

15:06

aw. assbot fail. amazing.

15:06

AMAZING COMPANY!

15:06

:)

15:07

;;gettrust Blazedout419 assbot

15:07

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Blazedout419 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Blazedout419&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014

15:07

derp

15:07

Blazedout419 you are barley making sense

15:07

on the one hand you claim you are not an investor yet 'invested' only x amount

15:07

1 investment

15:07

then that x amount barely counts as an investment

15:07

so which is it

15:07

1.5 bitcoins

15:08

I like to watch the securities though

15:08

it amuses me how people keep buying them with the same result over and over

15:08

Nasty is atleast honest

15:08

lol

15:08

unlike most of the ones I see

15:08

like icedrill

15:08

that is a train wreck

15:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00082029 = 14.4781 BTC [-]

15:09

how is nasty a scam...I must be dense to not see it

15:09

you must be.

15:09

enlighten the dumb folks

15:09

no.

15:09

so aka you just troll with no back up

15:09

got it

15:10

i don't think kako's trolling

15:10

then tell me why it is a scam

15:10

tell me how is it not

15:11

has it made good priofit = no

15:11

<kakobrekla> Blazedout419 you are barley making sense // wheat are you going on about

15:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 617 @ 0.00082238 = 0.5074 BTC [+]

15:11

<+benkay> <kakobrekla> Blazedout419 you are barley making sense // wheat are you going on about

15:11

Bet placed: 3.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/776/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.48541412 BTC. Current weight: 64,854.

15:11

yuppp

15:11

indeed

15:12

Namworld

Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought.

15:12

Namworld

Not sure about Nasty, no clue of the specifics.

15:12

did it roi at all?

15:12

not for me

15:12

all i know is that ognasty was a hxc pirate shill

15:12

but that does not make it a scam

15:13

;;gettrust ognasty

15:13

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user ognasty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=ognasty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ognasty | Rated since: Sat Sep 1 22:15:19 2012

15:13

everything is public with them

15:13

ognasty is some retarded pothead with no clue about clue

15:13

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0708 = 0.708 BTC [+]

15:13

kakobrekla how is it a scam

15:13

who runs nastymining?

15:13

not profitable yes scam = how?

15:13

Blazedout419 exercise for alert reader.

15:13

OgNasty does

15:13

<+Blazedout419> lol your ratings are a joke << the reason I queried my rating of you was to show that I had given you a -1 long before it was discovered that you somehow had enough +1's to get voice in here (as in, not my fault)

15:14

I am a good trader...why is it surprising

15:14

I am honest

15:14

Namworld

Well could you all do me a favor and vote on this poll? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650783.0

15:14

[POLL] Coinroll Color Scheme

15:14

Blazedout419, because you are stupid, and stupid is generally not given voice in here

15:14

lol

15:14

go thump more bibles

15:14

its true.

15:14

yeah I am dumb because you say something is a scam with no proof

15:15

just explain the scam part

15:15

not asking for much here

15:15

idk enough about this latest thing, but you are stupid because you don't understand the WoT (according to my rating)

15:15

your rating carries 0 weight

15:15

oh my gosh. can't believe someone just bet both sides on the bastille day bet with a weight of like 150

15:16

some of my -1s actually prevent users from having voice in here, so i wouldn't call that "0 weight"

15:16

you just spam +1's for no reason

15:17

anyways i do not care about you or your ratings

15:17

Blazedout419: it's a scam in the same way all mining things are scams.

15:17

buy also you're getting trolled hard.

15:17

but*

15:17

indeed

15:17

its just a non profitable mining

15:17

;;rate Blazedout419 -10 sp4mz0r

15:17

not a scam

15:17

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Blazedout419 has been recorded.

15:17

lol

15:17

oh noes

15:18

now that is a perfect example of someone who does not understand the WoT

15:19

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07018809 = 1.4739 BTC [-] {3}

15:19

nobody understands the wot ffs

15:19

it's got emergent behavior

15:19

actors and shit

15:19

'agents'

15:20

-10 for a convo he has nothing to do with

15:20

lol

15:21

he apparently doesn't trust you; I wouldn't go as far as to give a -10, but that's just me

15:21

;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419

15:21

Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013

15:21

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0698667 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {2}

15:21

Blazedout419: i assume asciilifeform wants to shut you up.

15:21

need 2 more to -1 him :p

15:21

ah

15:22

the -10 is limited to a -1 because assbot only gave out +1s

15:24

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0695 = 0.139 BTC [-]

15:27

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07 = 1.47 BTC [+]

15:27

lol, asciilifeform just picked up a few more enemies from the gaggle of -otc idiots

15:28

;;rate Ssateneth -10 sockmuppet

15:28

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Ssateneth has been recorded.

15:28

;;rate TheButterZone -10 sockmuppet

15:28

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user TheButterZone has been recorded.

15:28

TBZ is like "nope i don't see it in -otc so it must not have happened"

15:29

lol

15:30

who do S and T sock for?

15:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00081644 = 5.7151 BTC [-] {2}

15:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]

15:30

or is this some advanced trolling that's miles above my head

15:30

I hate those "cry to mommy" ratings

15:31

i never said a word

15:31

they saw ratings and sent back

15:31

<+Ssateneth> he needs one more neg rate and he wont be able to rate people << is this true?

15:31

yes

15:31

all depends on your rating to nano

15:31

now that's actual rating abuse

15:31

lol well this is fun

15:31

;;gettrust nanotube asciilifeform

15:31

Currently authenticated from hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-53-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=asciilifeform | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asciilifeform | Rated since: Sun Sep 15 00:06:51 2013

15:31

danielpbarron, some people have the power to prevent others from rating, yes

15:32

your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate.

15:32

indeed

15:32

i didnt even spam here is the silly part

15:32

was asking 1 person about a forum post

15:32

midnightmagic, what's being evaluated is rating from someone in nano's direct trust

15:33

yeah, nanotube never put much stock in L3 trust.

15:33

So, L2 in buddy's case there.

15:34

;;gettrust assbot Ssateneth

15:34

Currently authenticated from hostmask Ssateneth!ident@unaffiliated/ssateneth. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Ssateneth: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Ssateneth | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ssateneth | Rated since: Fri Jul 13 00:36:40 2012

15:34

Ssateneth +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

15:35

;;rated Ssateneth

15:35

You have not yet rated user Ssateneth

15:35

!up Ssateneth

15:35

Ah I'd forgottent hat syntax. Thanks.

15:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00081643 = 25.5543 BTC [-]

15:35

So what sort of shenanigans is going on in here.

15:35

not much i got negrated for asking a question about a forum post is all

15:36

so you rated asciilifeform without knowing?

15:36

for abuse

15:36

I looked at the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/

15:36

#bitcoin-assets log

15:36

but how did he know?

15:36

isn't that, you know, abuse

15:36

and saw a discussion. No samming. no flooding, nothing.

15:37

Ssateneth, i'm pretty sure your rating was put in *before* i linked you to the -assets logs

15:37

Just saw some random leave a -10 for "sp4mz0r" which, in itself, sounds ridiculous for a -10, especially with no solid proof in the rating.

15:38

Then i checked to make sure it was unwarranted and I was correct.

15:38

well if you weren't such a nobody, you'd know that asciilifeform is not "some random"

15:39

I'm pretty sure organizing mass negrates is abusive behavior

15:39

who organized anything

15:39

just hug it out, everyone will feel better. :)

15:39

they saw it and knew i dont spam

15:39

+1 oxytocin

15:40

hehe

15:40

*

asciilifeform remembers turning on light in kitchen in old flat, middle of night, all the creepy crawlies came out

15:40

I'm looking at the log though. I see a discussion abotu somethign about 1.5 BTC worth fo shares bought a year ago, and stuff about other securities being scams or not.

15:41

http://www.informnny.com/media/lib/21/1/3/6/136dce14-6c04-4957-90df-44bb8c6c8190/Story.jpg

15:41

whatever im over it...just dont ask in this chan I guess

15:41

Ssateneth, what flies in -otc doesn't necessarily fly in -assets

15:42

Then someone who wasnt even involved in the discussion comes out of nowhere and -10's with the reason "sp4mz0r" which in itself sounds pretty immature. If it was something like "Spamming in #bitcoin-assets: http://pastebin.com/blahblah" then I probably would have left it alone.

15:42

Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID

15:42

;;rate Blazedout419 -10 spamming in #bitcoin-assets.

15:42

dat drama

15:42

Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Blazedout419 has changed from -10 to -10.

15:42

lol

15:42

lol

15:42

this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing

15:42

;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419

15:42

Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013

15:42

it's easy to see who to blame ^

15:43

doesn't change anything if you -10

15:43

;;rate Blazedout419 -1 spamming in #bitcoin-assets.

15:43

Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Blazedout419 has changed from -10 to -1.

15:43

;;unrate asciilifeform

15:43

Successfully removed your rating for asciilifeform.

15:43

pankkake: ty

15:43

;;unrate Ssateneth

15:43

Thats more reasonable. I have no qualms with that.

15:43

Successfully removed your rating for Ssateneth.

15:44

well this worked out nice well. now just to get nubbins and Apocalyptic to unrate ;>

15:44

nice and well.

15:44

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07 = 0.98 BTC [+]

15:44

To me, -10 is lke "this guy has definately stolen people's money, and is definately a scumbag you don't want to live near because he'll probably break into your home and steal your valuables" :P

↖

15:44

kako, you forgot nanotube too

15:45

Anywho, take care, and stuff.

15:45

we will!

15:46

Apocalyptic afaik he just needs to lose 2

15:46

oh I may have a misconception about how assbot evaluates +v then

15:46

l2 > 0

15:47

or l1.

15:48

looks like mrs tick ball on in the action too

15:48

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+]

15:49

*

asciilifeform bares chest for firing squad

15:50

lol

15:52

dont worry ascii, its just paint guns.

15:52

gentlemen,

15:55

kakobrekla: turdschmeissers

15:55

lol

15:55

lol what i wanted to say?

15:56

dunno?

15:58

what you wanted to say was: ladies and gentlemen,

15:58

boys and girls,

15:59

children of ALL ages

16:00

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 10.12814390 BTC to 29`438 shares, 34405 satoshi per share

16:03

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.02399982 = 0.672 BTC [+] {2}

16:05

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06999999 = 0.21 BTC [-]

16:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20901 @ 0.00081881 = 17.1139 BTC [+]

16:06

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [-]

16:08

kakobrekla i want to mass bitbet but it insists i nave to wait for 3 tries.. is there a way around?

16:10

hm

16:10

can you, say, lift the limit if the payout address had seen some volume previously?

16:11

wouldnt be much point if there would be a easy workaround

16:11

i raised the limit now so you can do your thing

16:11

but temporarily.

16:12

above proposal isn't exactly an easy workaround

16:12

thx

16:13

i am confused (and curious). what limit are you bumping into? requesting pages?

16:13

requesting deposit addresses

16:14

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 22 @ 0.0500009 = 1.1 BTC [-] {3}

16:14

ah. what's a "3 tries"?

16:14

twas a brainfart

16:14

you meant 3 minutes?

16:14

no

16:14

3 addresses per 45 sec

16:14

i wanted to write "i requested 3 bet addresses"

16:15

ah, got it. ty.

16:15

i want to send all it in one tx

16:16

several idiots made bots to pull as much addresses from bbet as possible

16:16

but now when they see that simple limit, they stop

16:16

usg cries

16:16

that's.. lame.

16:17

but it will bloat a wallet into oblivion..

16:17

the funny part it is, it wont.

16:18

you rate limit by ip?

16:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9562 @ 0.00081917 = 7.8329 BTC [+]

16:18

(unless you don't want to divulge sekurity measures)

16:18

I have a 204MB wallet here that takes > 2min or so to boot up bitcoind on a 32-core server which seems to suggest it can be done.

16:20

and then for looser evidence, "I" have a >2GB namecoin wallet which makes namecoin nearly unusable without modifying the source as there appears to be a race condition on ResendWalletTransactions()

16:20

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 74 @ 0.01501068 = 1.1108 BTC [-] {4}

16:20

note: once booted, that bitcoin node with 200MB wallet will operate at full speed. so when I say "bloat it into oblivion" I'm referring to bootup times.

16:21

and it needs 200M RLIMIT_LOCKMEM or such

16:22

otherwise it just silently drops connections

16:22

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06999989 = 0.7 BTC [-]

16:25

200mb wallet, thats decent

16:26

thats from some automated service or you did 200 megs of manual

16:26

must be a lot of change :)

16:28

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [-]

16:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00081631 = 26.8566 BTC [-] {2}

16:28

one of my oldest wallets from early 2011 has 6k txes and only 25megs

16:29

my Electrum wallet.dat is 102 bytes

16:29

oh well.

16:29

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 67 @ 0.06999999 = 4.69 BTC [+] {2}

16:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]

16:32

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0709 = 0.709 BTC [+]

16:33

asciilifeform: Wait, there is a levorotary Kansas nao too? Qunatrill must have missed it.

16:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0709 = 1.2053 BTC [+] {3}

16:33

kakobrekla: i got what i needed, thx

16:34

BingoBoingo: well, if there's an r-kansas...

16:34

I just hope there isn't a dexkansas

16:36

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07095 = 0.3548 BTC [+]

16:36

asciilifeform but why is the fingerprint over the name

16:37

mircea_popescu: it isn't. that's a 2-layer composite photo

16:37

mircea_popescu: click the remaining 2

16:37

(top, bottom)

16:38

aok

16:38

mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors.

16:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19238 @ 0.00081658 = 15.7094 BTC [+]

16:38

so i bought 1/4 kg of prosciutto from this woman that i don't think has ever sold more than 18 grams at a time

16:38

i also got a box of camembert. INDUSTRIA ARGENTINA

16:39

will do an unboxing later.

16:39

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.071 = 0.426 BTC [+]

16:40

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.071 = 0.213 BTC [+]

16:40

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02419083 = 0.1451 BTC [+] {2}

16:40

Blazedout419: what amazing service do you run assbot:AMAZING COMPANY! << that was pretty cool lol

16:40

AMAZING COMPANY!

16:40

NOW we know what that was for. all these years...

16:43

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.071 = 1.065 BTC [+]

16:44

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07095 = 0.9933 BTC [-]

16:46

from the lolpharms: http://www.blacklistedbitcoins.com

16:46

Blacklisted Bitcoins > Home

16:47

asciilifeform: In other news I found the turd that crashed firefox... Gnu Gnash. Firefox somehow installed it as it upgraded. Firefox now when I deign it to run, runs from jail.

16:47

lolz, somebody actually uses gnash?

16:47

somebody actually uses flash?

16:47

i thought steve jobs outlawed that

16:48

asciilifeform: Apparently Nigbuntu bundled it with a firefox uprade.

16:48

and they call us (folks who glue own linuxen from toothpicks in bottles) crazy.

16:48

mike_c: But all those classic games where the stick figures fight

16:49

I was insufficiently paranoid.

16:49

*

BingoBoingo wonders if he can get the lesser Mac, the Mac Classic online...

16:49

'Those who do not find time for exercise will have to find time for illness.'

16:49

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [+]

16:50

I guess next week I build a linuxen from toothpicks and take another machine online...

16:51

yeah i should do some exercise.

16:51

BingoBoingo: do yourself favour and use a box with an mmu (yes, abandon stone age, do bronze age at least)

16:52

I'll drink on that possiility this weekend.

16:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [+] {2}

16:56

%book

16:56

atcbot

35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140

16:56

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.07545454 = 0.83 BTC [+] {10}

16:58

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/06/iraq-gets-international-help-from-iran/372727/

16:58

Iraq Gets International Help... From Iran - The Wire

16:59

;;ticker

16:59

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 581.64, Best ask: 582.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 581.64, 24 hour volume: 31598.55053292, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 611.99, 24 hour vwap: 582.871423501

17:04

Namworld:

17:04

Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought. << the guy never said "give us some btc and in two years you can have 40 cents to the bitcoin"

17:05

if thjat were the proposition, then it'd have been just a dumb as fuck deal. even in that case, claiming it's not a scam is marginal, much in the way adding a nuclear device to your doorknob is endangerment, even if you think people shouldn't have fucked with the doorknob.

17:06

but all this is moot in the discussion at hand. nasty is some random dork and Blazedout419 is woefully uneducated. mpex is transparency, go read up on the corps that have been publishing their results each month for the past YEARS and so on.

17:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00082082 = 28.3183 BTC [+]

17:07

kako seems i broke bitbet twatter :D

17:08

;;rate ognasty -1 pirate shill ; currently running a "security" that made a 60% loss over two years. a fine example of the scum that unwarrantedly imagines itself somehow part of Bitcoin.

17:08

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ognasty has been recorded.

17:10

Namworld the original is always best.

17:10

does anyone want to buy my No stake in the spurs bet?

17:11

qq

17:11

jurov ?

17:11

last bet matches what twitter sez

17:11

!up AlexWkz

17:12

kakobrekla: okay, they appeared now

17:12

http://bitbet.us/bet/937/south-korea-will-advance-from-the-2014-world/

17:12

BitBet - South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.27 B (51%) on Yes, 0.26 B (49%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 92`292 (100`000 to 10`000)

17:12

apparently soccer bets getting some traction

17:13

*

jurov giggles

17:13

>As bitbet grows more popular, there SHOULD be a greater number of bets imo. And that includes sports.

17:13

is this trolling?

17:14

no, RFC

17:14

:p

17:15

prolly just cookies.

17:16

generally i dont like cookies. too dry.

17:16

o yeah, and you're not dry yourself AT ALL

17:16

so this is quite understandable :D

17:17

exactly.

17:18

wait i was being sarcastiq

17:19

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [+] {2}

17:19

Prolly the ultimatum brought some action. Ultimatum or not, I just can't care about any "competition" that usually ends in a draw and hugs for everybody.

17:20

;;rate Ssateneth -10 apparently kiddo thinks himself some sort of rate warlord or something.

17:20

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Ssateneth has been recorded.

17:20

o shit.

17:20

;;later tell thebutterzone suppose you clear asciilifeform and that way i don't have to neg you too.

17:20

The operation succeeded.

17:20

you gonna make him come back!

17:21

who ?

17:21

well everyone at this point.

17:22

nvm, carry on.

17:23

cheeky the -otc derps. fucking periphery of the periphery, somehow they imagine themselves central and unique in that.

17:24

well theres a whole charade goin on in #bitcoin-ratings :)

17:24

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.071 = 0.355 BTC [+]

17:24

midnightmagic: your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate. << good thing they finally moved away from the total rating model, that was silly.

17:25

;;tslb

17:25

Time since last block: 17 minutes and 4 seconds

17:27

;;unrate Ssateneth

17:27

Successfully removed your rating for Ssateneth.

17:28

;;rate mrstickball -10 apparently kiddo thinks himself some sort of rate warlord or something.

17:28

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mrstickball has been recorded.

17:28

!up RainMan28

17:30

uh oh bitbet won't replace ref cookie unless user deletes it manually? pure evil

17:30

i just bought bingoboingo a beer or two

17:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0719 = 0.2876 BTC [+]

17:30

pankkake: this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing << honestly i don't think so.

17:30

jurov why would it replace cookie tho ?

17:30

how you fight cookie stuffing if it did ?

17:31

ty jurov

17:31

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07199999 = 0.792 BTC [+] {2}

17:31

;;later tell Ssateneth:

17:31

To me, -10 is lke "this guy has definately stolen people's money, and is definately a scumbag you don't want to live near because he'll probably break into your home and steal your valuables" :P << maybe read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ sometime.

17:31

What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:31

(later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.

17:31

gah

17:32

;;later tell Ssateneth: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#717939 << maybe read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ sometime.

17:32

#bitcoin-assets log

17:32

What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:32

The operation succeeded.

17:32

i understand it's better this way, just venting

17:32

jurov: lol what i wanted to say? << jurov caught drunk in the logs ?

17:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2153 BTC [-]

17:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249999 = 0.145 BTC [+]

17:33

jurov: actually the ref cookie expires at session, I think

17:33

*

jurov hugs BingoBoingo, starts to sway and sing uneasily

17:34

pankkake: it must be persistent, i did not open his ref link today

17:35

jurov: and it needs 200M RLIMIT_LOCKMEM or such << yes that ;/

17:35

yes, it is, i tried

17:35

http://blockr.io/address/info/16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok

17:35

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.21053601 = 14.1059 BTC [-] {12}

17:36

hahaha kako spamming teh blockchain

17:36

Now I imagine everyone will check their cookies for the right cookies before betting.

17:36

check you cookies before you wreck yourself.

17:36

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors. << i'm not. too big (thick, bulky) for my taste.

17:36

;;tslb

17:37

but yeah jurov deleting would help

17:37

BingoBoingo aff is kinda intended for the peeps that don't even know there's something to check

17:37

Time since last block: 28 minutes and 16 seconds

17:37

mircea_popescu: Do those peeps still have coins they aren't buring on Mastersafe and stuff like that?

17:37

<jurov> hahaha kako spamming teh blockchain < yeah at some point somebody will do something about that.

17:37

which peeps yu mean ?

17:38

that's gonna be my legacy. first b-a donation address, then this.

17:38

lol

17:38

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07249999 = 0.2175 BTC [+]

17:38

at least this time its not going to some schmuck

17:39

mircea_popescu: The peeps pete wrote on today. The kind that just might have enough coin to BitBet but burn it because their WoTs are broke.

17:39

lol

17:39

or is it!?

17:39

:D

17:39

did i miss something !?

17:39

kako it went to booze

17:39

vodka

17:39

BingoBoingo they thyemselves do not. the unfortunate noobs that they try to buddy buddy however do.

17:39

i guess.

17:39

jurov: No, this is incoming for the blog's sustainment fund.

17:39

yeah, that is the vodka BingoBoingo .

17:39

we all know with what stuff is the blog sustained

17:40

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YMVM1.txt )

17:40

!b 3

17:40

!up mdev

17:40

much thanks

17:41

since I was banned in #bitcoin, what's your guys thoughts on the ghash.io and the 51%?

17:41

Well, once this USG dumping is over hopefully come hosting time next year these contributions will go for a nice handle of something while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo

17:41

apparently they've had over 20% for awhile and even at that level they could have done some damage with double spend had they wanted

17:41

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0725 = 0.29 BTC [+]

17:42

mdev looked @ logs ?

17:42

mdev: Bitcoin is too valuable for ghash.io to do serious damage at 51% plus so long as miners are economically motivated...

17:42

bingo that's what I was thinking, plus they're a legit business in london

17:42

mdev: you got banned from #bitcoin?? lol

17:42

no reason to risk that

17:43

fluffy yeah a month ban

17:43

that's hilarious

17:43

that channel is so toxic, admins so incredibly abusive lol

17:43

let me guess...you dared to question someone?

17:43

fluffypony yeah, you know, like Blazedout419 did here :D

17:43

mdev: Ghash fucks up, hopefully enough miners like money to flee.

17:43

keep in mind 51% attack = 51% *attack*. bitcoin relies on the majority of miners being honest

17:43

I was having a disagreement about private companies being forced to disclose income, with various other users, and a bitcoin op stealth banned me(used a bot), for apparently a month

17:43

mircea_popescu: yeah, and nobody banned him

17:43

fluffypony, no, he's actually clueless and a time waster

17:44

also http://37.media.tumblr.com/1d760aafa3afdce5399d1bad0dd1a3cc/tumblr_n5dhn8OBzV1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg

17:44

from what I gathered

17:44

stealth ban = ban but the mod stays anonymous?

17:44

like bitcointalk. wonderful. that's the tool of scammers.

17:44

I talked to another op in private about it, and lol...that channel is just not good with them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on

17:45

stealth ban yeah another mod had no idea who set it

17:45

http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/zero-moment/lie-lady-profoundly-weird-gender-specific-roots-turing-test

17:45

Page Unavailable

17:45

;;gpg info mdev

17:45

No such user registered.

17:45

<mdev> them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on << you know this sounds like cheap copying -assets :D

17:45

you should register

17:45

I been banned in there a lot, in the past some ops agreed the ban shouldn't have been set but didn't do anything to lift it!

17:45

where do I register again?

17:45

looked at your guys blog/site but was confusing

17:46

with gribble

17:46

!up FlyDuch

17:46

http://www.coindesk.com/bitfury-pulls-power-ghash-community-uproar/

17:46

BitFury Pulls 1PH/s of Mining Power from Ghash.io Amid Community Uproar

17:46

mdev: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

17:46

first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

17:46

BingoBoingo lol what's that, 4% ?

17:46

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [+]

17:46

Prolly

17:46

bitcointalk btw has some of the same mods, at the very least gmaxwell is there

17:46

also, remember when Deepbit was the big bad pool? reddit was all over it too

17:46

http://38.media.tumblr.com/8fd9b97f80422c9c193d76beaf90983b/tumblr_n5dh15jV3l1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg schoolgirls too.

17:47

ooh I like that schoolgirl

17:47

pankkake btc guild somehow never was the big bad guild

17:47

Pools rise and fall.

17:47

who controls gribble?

17:47

of these three, exactly one did a hardfork

17:47

seen him around

17:47

mircea_popescu: oh no it was for a bit too

17:47

on reddit ? or here ?

17:47

on reddit

17:47

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.07263076 = 2.8326 BTC [+] {2}

17:48

x<BingoBoingo> Pools rise and fall. < thats true but its incredibly hard to start one these days

17:48

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bq4ia/for_the_love_of_bitcoin_stop_mining_at_btc_guild/

17:48

For the love of Bitcoin, Stop mining at BTC Guild! - They'll control the network if they reach +50% : Bitcoin

17:48

kakobrekla: Well starting a pools takes a lot of coin which really limits the number of people who can do it.

17:48

how can btc guild control 50% if ghash.io already controls 51%?

17:48

mdev: Ancient history.

17:49

oh

17:49

prolly better to own gear than coin in such case.

17:49

kakobrekla why ?

17:49

cause pps is dead long ago

17:49

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=13452.0

17:49

To all of the deepbit whiners.

17:49

pankkake aite, you got a point

17:49

mdev: It's why going back in the logs and the older parts of the forum is valuable. Many of these things happened before.

17:49

kakobrekla talk to me like im 5

17:49

which i am.

17:49

pay per share

17:50

that model is no longer feasible

17:50

BingoBoingo that's an interesting point, and bitcoin is still standing

17:50

so is a non-issue

17:50

why not ?

17:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0728 = 0.5096 BTC [+] {3}

17:50

mdev: Ideally it is a self correcting issue.

17:50

if ghash abuses everyone will know and they'll be done, they don't control the users hardware anyway

17:51

i thought the earlier 200 btc scandal was over pps

17:51

now everyone is on rounds that last x of time

17:51

and then spread the blocks found over x rounds

17:51

prevents hopping and such.

17:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.0729909 = 4.0145 BTC [+] {2}

17:52

pps is too dangerous imho.

17:52

why

17:52

o that mixed system, ok.

17:52

so ?

17:52

the difference with ghash.io is that most of their hashrate is also controlled by them

17:52

the solution would be to stop buying that crap cloud mining!

17:52

pankkake and not yet amortised.

17:52

so if you dont find block your payouts will still be too irregular and you cant do pps

17:52

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07399248 = 2.2198 BTC [+] {3}

17:52

pankkake but derps want to be part of it EASILY

17:52

what do you mean? they sell it to users, probably at a loss (for the users)

17:53

yes

17:53

of course they sell it at aloss to the users

17:53

how else would they be 50%

17:53

how else would they sell it lol

17:53

if not selling such bs.

17:53

so I don't understand "not yet amortised"

17:54

the gear they use to mine is not yet paid for.

17:54

isnt it amortized as soon as its sold

17:54

they dont have to buy it back

17:54

!up Dimsler

17:54

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 108 @ 0.07399993 = 7.992 BTC [+] {3}

17:54

kakobrekla, so what if ghash has majority steak

17:55

kakobrekla the gear they sold is sold. i thought he meant sold hashes, ie, rented gear

17:55

they sell you 'vrtual chips'

17:55

how the hell does that matter

17:55

what are they going to do?

17:55

which then you trade on the market

17:55

so once you buy that shit, they are out

17:55

just picking the fees.

17:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07400199 = 0.37 BTC [+]

17:56

ok, but you understand the cost for 50% of the hash is like... 2 to 500k btc

17:56

they've sold "virtual chips" to forum derps for 500-1k btc

17:56

lol

17:56

what of it

17:56

im not arguing anything here

17:56

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0747 = 0.747 BTC [+]

17:57

brb

17:57

who owns http://bitcoin-otc.com/ ?

17:57

#bitcoin-otc

17:57

mdev: nanotube

17:58

dang you guys really invested in #bitcoin stuff huh

17:58

same bot, same tech, same owners stuff

17:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00081945 = 15.6925 BTC [-]

18:00

mdev there's a world out there made of agglomerated shitheads, who imagine themselves innovators and revolutionaries, but in practice live out of not-invented-here syndrome and bad pr.

18:00

the world in here is quite opposite. if someone does something well everyone breathes a sigh of relief and uses it.

18:00

FlyDuch

guys can i sell btc for ltc here

18:00

because life's too short to re-do all the shit all the time

18:01

!down FlyDuch

18:01

FlyDuch if you can find someone who cares to

18:01

!up FlyDuch

18:01

best use gribble's sale function.

18:01

just putting a lot of trust in nanotube, i've never seen really the guy talk but I think he owns gribble as well, and is founder of #bitcoin as well

18:01

he's trustworthy.

18:01

I don't trust him, and I backup the otc db :)

18:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0747 = 1.1205 BTC [+]

18:03

FlyDuch: #bitcoin-otc is probably a better venue

18:05

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07478 = 0.3739 BTC [+]

18:06

FlyDuch: why wouldn't you use one of the many exchanges to do that?

18:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00081944 = 13.8485 BTC [-] {2}

18:08

he's a scammer probably

18:08

yes, but since he was !uped back, I'm biting :)

18:08

I guess mircea is running low on entertainment tonight :)

18:09

i'm just reactively tolerant

18:10

the truth of the matter is that i don't have an actual personality, i just do the opposite of what y'all are doing.

18:10

so if you're all drama llamas i'ma just be mellow.

18:11

basically he thinks we are dumb.

18:11

wait wut ?

18:12

well if you are doing the opposite of something you prolly are not in agreement with it

18:12

!up mdev

18:12

ty

18:12

or maybe i just like living interesting times.

18:13

maybe. or the other thing.

18:14

generally, i rarely think someone is as smart as they think themselves. similarly, i rarely think someone is as dumb as they think themselves. so there :D

18:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23979 @ 0.00081833 = 19.6227 BTC [-] {2}

18:14

;;unrate mrstickball

18:14

Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.

18:15

ok. i could go on but i rather wont. :)

18:15

lol that asciilifeform - Blazedout419 situation de-escalated quickly.

18:16

is it over nao?

18:16

you know, back in the 2011 days something like this'd have raged for a week

18:16

i think wot has come a lengthy road.

18:16

kakobrekla pretty much

18:16

good

18:21

TheButterZone

;;rated asciilifeform

18:21

You have not yet rated user asciilifeform

18:24

hey there.

18:24

asciilifeform nao you unrate TheButterZone

18:26

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0745 = 0.6705 BTC [-]

18:26

it was never a situtation really

18:27

he just neg rated me for who only knows why

18:27

I was just asking a few questions...then it got crazy in here :p

18:28

Blazedout419 it was honestly undistinguishable from trollage you gotta appreciate.

18:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07478 = 0.2991 BTC [+]

18:28

Well sorry if it came off that way, but that is the first time i have ever been called a troll

18:28

I was talking to kakobrekla anyways not asciilifeform

18:28

which is why i was so weirded out.

18:29

random -10

18:29

lol maybe he is having a bad day...dunno

18:29

you ever seen reservoir dogs ?

18:30

yep

18:30

why do i have to be mr pink?

18:30

pretty much somethging like that

18:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.0749648 = 4.0481 BTC [+] {6}

18:30

fair enough

18:30

"Joe: No way, no way. Tried it once, doesn't work. You got four guys all fighting over who's gonna be Mr. Black, but they don't know each other, so nobody wants to back down. No way. I pick. You're Mr. Pink. Be thankful you're not Mr. Yellow."

18:31

lolz

18:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [+]

18:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00082104 = 9.6472 BTC [+] {2}

18:34

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=651315.msg7298625#msg7298625

18:34

Hall of Shame: Vote for your Favorite Worst Crypto-CEO's Ever!!

18:35

lol

18:35

i would hope mpoe-pr is in there ?

18:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 111 @ 0.07456196 = 8.2764 BTC [-] {7}

18:36

wtf is btcquick again ?

18:37

ascension

18:38

jerrod something or other

18:39

this Mimex listing confuses me

18:39

they list a developer under their "management team"

18:39

what is he managing?

18:40

also, how can they have a PR person on Bitcointalk without said PR person also being listed in their "management team" alongside the developer?

18:40

pr isn't management is it

18:40

neither is "developer"

18:40

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 120 @ 0.07036589 = 8.4439 BTC [-] {5}

18:40

the "lead developer" maybe, by some definition of management I'm unfamiliar with

18:41

i suppose if you have a tech run a team of techs he's technically management now

18:41

sorta like the ex surgeon now hospital director

18:41

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0739998 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}

18:48

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02419499 = 0.2419 BTC [+]

18:52

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-]

18:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51845 @ 0.00082224 = 42.629 BTC [+] {4}

18:54

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07388958 = 0.5911 BTC [+]

18:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.074 = 1.85 BTC [+]

18:56

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.075 = 7.5 BTC [+]

18:58

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.023402 = 0.117 BTC [-] {2}

18:59

;;rate ognasty -1 pirate/BCST shill

18:59

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ognasty has been recorded.

18:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0202 = 0.101 BTC [+]

19:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 93 @ 0.075 = 6.975 BTC [+] {2}

19:04

;;gettrust benkay

19:04

Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user benkay to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 19 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013

19:07

dumb question: is there any way to cryptographically prove you signed something on a certain date.

19:09

mike_c include the date.

19:09

but i could sign something today with june 1st in it.

19:10

i don't think there is, but thought i'd ask to make sure i wasn't missing some clever trick.

19:10

sure there's plenty depending what you want.

19:10

if you want to declare the date being x, include the date.

19:10

if you want to prove the date is no earlier than X, include a block hash say.

19:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [+]

19:11

[HAVELOCK] [SHA] 8 @ 0.042 = 0.336 BTC

19:11

do it old school

19:11

yeah, that works going that way. i need to go the other though.

19:11

selfie of you holding the newspaper for that day

19:11

:-P

19:11

Block #305659 Hash0000000000000000118b4c104bd3cdf62ddcbcfdcb66af97aadff2116e86a842 could not be known pre 2014-06-13 23:ish

19:11

like, i want to be able to say today "here is proof that I signed this on June 1st, not June 13th"

19:12

to prove you signed it no later than X, publish it on the record date.

19:12

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 190 @ 0.002 = 0.38 BTC

19:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00082407 = 28.9249 BTC [+] {2}

19:12

!up mdev

19:12

thankyou!

19:12

but yeah as other have said the problem with date is you can set it to what you want, so only way to confirm the date is used a 3rd party someone trusts

19:12

or various I suppose

19:13

ah, so, like stuff something in the blockchain

19:13

mike_c: that's the other option

19:13

mike_c blockchain, here, whatever.

19:13

or pastebin

19:13

bitcoin trusts no ones date, they don't use dates they use difficulty I think

19:13

your blog for that matter.

19:13

and try and average solving to 10 minutes

19:13

dependent on your penchance for risk

19:13

!down mdev

19:13

even though it's gone over an hour before...

19:14

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [+]

19:14

mike_c: what sort of longevity do you need on it?

19:15

are you thinking carbon dating?

19:15

lol

19:15

well, basically what i said. i want to be able to say "here's the signed statement. here is incontravertible proof i have not mucked with it since XX date"

19:15

[01:15:01] mdev: your abuse won't be tolerated

19:15

lol

19:16

mike_c: pastebin it (pastebin keeps the date) + dump the signature here

19:16

even if pastebin disappears you have a copy, and the signature can be verified by any of us that keep logs

19:16

log.b-a or my blog still requires trust. blockchain doesn't, but i'm not a fan of abusing chain for this kind of stuff. pastebin i guess works. nobody would believe they were in on the scamz.

19:17

yeah but you forget

19:17

log.b-a isn't the only log

19:17

I log, and I'm sure dozens of others do

19:17

theres the way-back-machine

19:17

you can prolly leverage that

19:17

oh yes good point kakobrekla - you can add a link to archive.org on a particular date

19:18

that thing still works? impressive.

19:18

still requires trusty

19:18

the thing is, the hardcore future problem is not resolvable, as entropy only goes one way

19:18

and so information accumulates.

19:18

mike_c: upload it to Maidsafe!

19:18

you can prove you know something and so establish it one way, but you can't prove you didn't know something.

19:19

not 100% resolvable, but blockchain stuffing comes close.

19:19

actually stuffing it here is probably better.

19:19

blocks reorg. how do you know you won't end up on a dead chain

19:19

you wait 6 confs.

19:19

duh

19:20

the thing is, it depends who you are "proving" to. since i am a b-a lackey, clearly i could get the logs mucked with. and nobody is going to care that fluffypony's copy agrees with it.

19:20

yeah I suppose

19:20

you could've paid us all

19:20

it's on the web lol.

19:21

but anyway, since you're in bitcoin, clearly you could have the blockchain mucked.

19:21

true. i do own ghash.

19:22

anyway, the problem as stated is unresolvable. as the future includes the past, you can't by yourself prove you were anterior to a point. only ulteriority can be proven that hardcore

19:22

;;unrate TheButterZone

19:22

Successfully removed your rating for TheButterZone.

19:22

which incidentally coallesces into a very strong attack on IP

19:22

yes, you can only provide evidence, not proof.

19:22

and also explains history.

19:22

the original impetuus driving herodotus was his own identity.

19:23

namely, proving he was there by including descriptions of events, which establishes his presence.

19:24

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/eligius-please-pay-my-200-btc.328351 << dude the amateur law&order bullshit going on in that thread is beyond the pale.

19:24

==== Eligius, please pay my 200+ BTC ==== | Bitcointa.lk

19:24

if your average us citizen got to run as much as a chicken coop... woe on those chickens.

19:25

"Yeah. I was just kind of wondering how much trouble it could cause if hundreds of people internationally started contacting his government demanding action to investigate his bitcoin involvement and possible unethical activities."

19:25

this would be your random shitstain wanting to be "anonymous".

19:26

mircea_popescu: too big (thick, bulky) for my taste << thought was, use elastomer, 0.4mm or so. but, sure, it'd be an amazing waste.

19:26

AMAZING COMPANY!

19:26

*

asciilifeform wouldn't, but likes carrying thought experiments to logical conclusion.

19:26

asciilifeform paper is a tenth that.

19:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.075 = 2.25 BTC [+]

19:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.0749625 = 5.997 BTC [-] {3}

19:32

mircea_popescu: nein. http://imgur.com/Jhmfp3B

19:32

Nein! - Imgur

19:33

!up mdev

19:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.075 = 2.1 BTC [-]

19:33

asciilifeform lol

19:34

*

asciilifeform couldn't resist

19:35

;;calc .4 / .34

19:35

1.17647058824

19:35

:D

19:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.075 = 3.45 BTC [-]

19:36

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ICkWjdQuK7Q

19:36

Brian Hyland - Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini - YouTube

19:36

incidentally 'mitutoyo' makes a perfectly acceptable Schtangen-zirkul.

19:37

zirkel ?

19:37

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0755 = 1.057 BTC [+]

19:37

aye

19:37

even comes with calibration certs

19:38

(how many consumer widgets do?)

19:38

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 132 @ 0.02990076 = 3.9469 BTC [-] {4}

19:43

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0755 = 0.906 BTC [+] {2}

19:44

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.0750021 = 7.5002 BTC [-] {3}

19:46

!up mdev

19:48

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.07500001 = 4.5 BTC [-] {2}

19:49

he got pissed how this nanotube challenge is stupid, life is unfair and blah blah

19:49

ragequit.

19:49

who, mdev?

19:49

yes

19:49

teward

he got banned for those antics in other channels, if my memory serves me right...

19:49

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.07500001 = 4.875 BTC [-]

19:49

teward

(he as in mdev)

19:50

challenge?

19:50

his words.

19:52

<mdev>you should remove the !up thing, it's an annoying system

19:52

<mdev>you're giving everyone with voice the ability to up/down voice everyone who hasn't gone through the nanotube challenge

19:52

thar.

19:52

teward

the 'nanotube challenge'... he's talking about the OTC auth system isn't he...

19:52

shit, even Blazedout419 made it...

19:53

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0755 = 0.755 BTC [+]

19:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00081634 = 24.5718 BTC [-] {3}

19:57

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0755 = 0.453 BTC [+]

19:59

lol'd

20:03

%ticker

20:03

atcbot

[X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 235 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

20:05

%depth

20:10

;;later tell BingoBoingo: while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo << if you don't already own one, a very usable spot-welder can be made from the ubiquitous 1F+ capacitors sold for use with automotive 'boom-booms.'

20:10

The operation succeeded.

20:11

;;later tell BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3kwpQbVHBo << illustrated.

20:11

Capacitor Welder - Battery tab Welder part 1-2 - YouTube

20:11

The operation succeeded.

20:13

phun phact: when the seekrit skvirrels in wash. dc weld the manholes shut prior to Führer-motorcade, they just spot-weld little tabs.

20:13

(how i know? they don't always remember to... take them off.)

20:14

*

asciilifeform didn't believe the legend of them actually doing this, until seeing the tabs. they look like pull tabs from soda cans.

20:14

http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/opinion-analysis-the-triumph-of-the-lanham-act-and-of-federal-private-rights-of-action/

20:14

Opinion analysis: The triumph of the Lanham Act (and of federal private rights of action) : SCOTUSblog

20:26

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.075 = 0.525 BTC [-] {2}

20:29

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/11/manhole.jpg

20:29

^ turns out they used to do proper welds?

20:29

i dunno what the fuss is all about

20:30

so someone kills the president. big deal, bout 50mn unemployed lawyers ready to take over

20:30

mircea_popescu: imponade.

20:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0753 = 0.3012 BTC [+] {2}

20:31

;;google imponator imponade

20:31

Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165>; fogus: The iPad as the Ultimate Imponator: <http://blog.fogus.me/2010/04/18/the-ipad-as-the-ultimate-imponator/>; Erik Naggum - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erik_Naggum>

20:31

damn.

20:32

(it's dumb, of course. a shaped-charge would plasma-jet through the cover, like butter.)

20:37

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07475 = 0.3738 BTC [-]

20:37

lol top ofthe stack

20:37

it gets rather annoying.

20:38

almost like inhabiting some sort of solipsist hell

20:38

well what else is paradise.

20:38

lol

20:43

"something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand that needs to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower. that happened to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe two. first, the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and they wont be as skilled or even as smart what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes she

20:43

er need as the motivation to enter the field. second, an unskilled labor force will want job security more than intellectual challenges (to some the very antithesis of job security). third, managing an unskilled labor force means easy access to people who are skilled in whatever is needed right now, not an investment in people which leads to the conclusion that a programmer is only as valuable as his ability to get

20:43

another job fast. fourth, when mass markets develop, pluralism suffers the most there is no longer a concept of healthy participants: people become concerned with the individual winner, and instead of people being good at whatever they are doing and proud of that, they will want to flock around the winner to share some of the glory."

20:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00081686 = 15.1119 BTC [+]

20:43

the issues of "entrepreneurship" as practiced by the circus could not be better described.

20:44

incidentally, this is genius : writing things that are correct as you write them, and then stay correct as later readers apply them to circumstances you could not have foreseen.

20:44

this is what makes shakespeare relevant, today as in his time. this is also what makes marc andreessen irrelevant today, and permanently.

20:45

we were talking about this in the context of programming user interfaces earlier today. "programmers are just so resistant to formalizing and writing down their problems, preferring instead to just hack at their computers until the have something that sort of works".

20:45

"well of course! there's no IDE for pencil and paper."

20:45

whatever else could be said about herr naggum - the man had actual thoughts.

20:46

and he dealt with problems that are rather familiar to us, if superficially unrelated.

20:47

the problems of democracy.

20:49

penguirker

New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/ladies-and-gentlewomen-this-is-the-buttman/

20:51

lol re: lever lock keys

20:51

soviet import?

20:51

they prolly bought the machines

20:51

in 1991

20:51

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.0753 = 3.2379 BTC [+] {2}

20:51

funny part is, betcha no one alive remembers how to pick these.

20:52

im sure here they do

20:52

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07547142 = 2.6415 BTC [+] {2}

20:53

experience not so different from tasting WD-40 << mircea_popescu clearly tasted the local 'cheese' in usa

20:53

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.04405928 = 0.6609 BTC [-]

20:53

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 88 @ 0.07687272 = 6.7648 BTC [+] {3}

20:54

:p

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0775 = 3.875 BTC [+]

20:56

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07999999 = 0.96 BTC [+]

20:58

asciilifeform: do you see a problem with usb-to-usb gadget which will make usb guest read-only?

20:58

it seems rather trivial gadget, but i've never seen it implemented so far

20:58

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 112 @ 0.07999999 = 8.96 BTC [+] {3}

20:58

dignork: it's a useful gadget. i have one.

20:59

gotta implement the mass storage command stack on both ends - a bit of a bitch

20:59

asciilifeform: bought it or built it?

20:59

built.

20:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00081601 = 4.6105 BTC [-]

20:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.0812 = 2.1924 BTC [+]

21:00

might be a nice additional product for S.NSA imho

21:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 87 @ 0.08195976 = 7.1305 BTC [+] {3}

21:01

dignork: cardano comes with wp dip

21:01

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 63 @ 0.08728505 = 5.499 BTC [+] {6}

21:02

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.08838 = 4.0655 BTC [+] {3}

21:03

i kinda suspect that usb disk wp is one of those gizmos that everyone who needs - already has.

21:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08838 = 0.1768 BTC [+] {2}

21:04

for those who don't - many (traditional spindle) drives still have wp jumpers. bring it out to a toggle.

21:05

asciilifeform: i understand the implementation complexity (not too bad), and just wonder how come it's not a marketed thing.

21:05

there are really not many applications that will behave well with this.

21:06

(try booting any os - not patched for this purpose - from a wp'd disk, see what i mean here)

21:07

incidentally, there are commercial incarnations of this. used by official disk diddlers:

21:07

;;google write blocker

21:07

Computer Forensics Write Blockers - Digital Intelligence: <http://www.digitalintelligence.com/forensicwriteblockers.php>; Write Blockers - Forensics Wiki: <http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Write_Blockers>; Forensic disk controller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_disk_controller>

21:07

but there is much more common use-case, gave a usb disk to colleague to copy a movie w.e, now i need to reformat it...

21:08

sha256sum /dev/sdwhateverthefuck > hash.txt

21:08

or this

21:09

a more interesting fact is that, if you open a consumer usb turd that has a wp toggle, it is - afaik - never connected to the flash rom proper

21:10

but to the microcontroller, which gives os (winblows naturally) an ignorable 'pretty please don't write.'

21:10

(why? ask the folks responsible, not me...)

21:11

cheaper than to add usb-to-usb host with additional logic

21:11

nope

21:11

no need to add another micro

21:11

every flash rom comes with a 'we' pin

21:11

re: booting, if gizmo emulates CD-ROM it might work

21:12

dignork: sandisk used to make a line of usb micros called 's3', that had this feature

↖

21:12

no longer sold

21:12

but they're still common

21:12

strike that

21:12

U3

21:12

http://u3-tool.sourceforge.net/

21:12

u3_tool - Tool for controlling U3 drives

21:12

U3 had wp? I had one, no switch

21:13

no hardware switch i mean

21:13

no switch. but has magic partition that enumerates as cdrom

21:13

writeable with that tool only

21:14

so, not really hardware wp. kernel level turd can (and will) diddle an u3 partition

21:14

but for 'civilian' use, adequate

21:14

afaik, u3 was phased out because win-xp will autorun any volume that mounts as optical disk, to this day.

21:15

i've a 'you could have been owned' stick i like to lend to xp users.

21:15

(pops up happy box)

21:16

it, incidentally, isn't a u3 stick. but a much earlier (circa '03?) chipset for which i found docs

21:16

likewise enumerates as optical disk.

21:16

neat, it had password protection

21:17

good gift for folks contemplating but not yet escaped from microshit.

21:18

for the innocent: most usb flash drives have reprogrammable micros, with various amounts of code space.

21:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0203299 = 0.1626 BTC [+]

21:30

"The first thing they could do would be to double-spend already confirmed transactions. For example, they could send some bitcoins to an exchange, trade them for dollars, wire the dollars to their bank account, and then announce a longer blockchain where the transfer to the exchange never happened. Now they have dollars and bitcoins." <<< such braindamage

21:30

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/06/13/centralized-mining/

21:30

Bitcoin Foundation

21:30

oh shit, it's actually the second part that's retarded

21:30

"There are some practical problems with carrying out that attack, though. They are likely to get caught, because it is impossible to wire money to a bank account anonymously. It seems very likely they would find themselves in legal trouble for defrauding the exchange."

21:34

dub

I like the css on that page, makes the blue hyperlink text not actually be a link

21:37

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [-]

21:39

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-]

21:40

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08 = 0.24 BTC [-]

21:43

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0763 = 0.2289 BTC [-] {2}

21:49

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07541622 = 0.2262 BTC [-] {2}

21:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00081686 = 4.6561 BTC [+] {2}

21:56

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07899986 = 0.316 BTC [+] {2}

21:57

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07999989 = 0.64 BTC [+]

21:59

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0799949 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2}

22:01

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.079 = 0.711 BTC [-]

~ 16 minutes ~

22:18

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0750008 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2}

22:20

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0750001 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}

22:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00081722 = 40.3707 BTC [+] {2}

22:34

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.076 = 0.152 BTC [+] {2}

22:36

what's all this about me unrating

22:38

oh, Blazedout419

22:38

;;rated Blazedout419

22:38

You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun Mar 2 12:59:46 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: trusted trader.

22:38

^

22:43

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07391166 = 0.3696 BTC [-] {2}

22:48

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.076495 = 0.306 BTC [+] {3}

22:54

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07489994 = 0.2996 BTC [-] {3}

22:57

unrelated to anything whatsoever: http://lamat.me

22:57

Lamat - Log

23:02

e.g. http://lamat.me/video/BD.html

23:02

Breathing Dildo

23:03

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.21155 = 0.4231 BTC [+] {2}

23:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.211 = 0.633 BTC [-]

23:05

asciilifeform: http://www.myresearch.lt/blog/time/time.phtml

23:05

Measurement of changes of relative time density - Blog of Aleksey Zaitsevsky

23:05

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07499285 = 1.0499 BTC [+] {2}

23:06

that one's classic, tried it myself

23:06

(same neg result)

23:06

'Was born in february of 1979 in city Kiev (the USSR), grew disobedient. Favourite toys: designer's sets and matches.'

23:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00081661 = 13.8007 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

23:23

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.05 = 0.55 BTC [-] {2}

23:27

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.075 = 0.3 BTC [+]

23:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [+]

23:31

<asciilifeform> i kinda suspect that usb disk wp is one of those gizmos that everyone who needs - already has. << not so.

23:32

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.075 = 1.05 BTC [+]

23:33

!up jeff___

23:33

mircea_popescu: as i eventually found out - device in its simplest form (simply deny write) - is commercially available (if expensive, for reasons of golden toilet.)

23:34

re davout's link , "take the time to run bitcoind and p2pool." << running any recent bitcoind is much worse for bitcoin than mining on ghash

23:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.076 = 0.152 BTC [+]

23:36

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.076 = 3.496 BTC [+]

23:37

yea well.

23:38

davout but that aside i dun see much problem with it. gavin is copying the sec, hard to find fault even should you be so inclined.

23:39

cookbook: http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-and-Effective-USB-Write-Blocker

23:39

Cheap and Effective USB Write Blocker

23:39

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0241 = 0.1928 BTC [-]

23:40

hence 'everybody who wants, has'

23:40

just have to want enough.

23:40

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0301997 = 0.3624 BTC [+]

23:40

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0750005 = 0.75 BTC [-] {3}

23:40

well these are not the same.

23:40

every horny teenager has a harem

23:41

they only have to... want enough ?

23:42

unlike gurlz, widgets don't wiggle away if you're inept. persistence can substitute for talent in the case of trivial problem, hence the existence of 'instructables', 'make', et al.

23:43

*

asciilifeform checks inventory. no harem, but plenty of custom gizmos of every variety.

23:44

yeah, but 'everybody who wants, has' ; 'just have to want enough'. ergo, not everyone who wants has.

23:44

should've been more specific - yes

23:45

picture if you could crib harem source code.

23:46

(betcha there'd still be annoying buggers who 'bah, it won't build!')

23:48

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07500342 = 0.975 BTC [-] {2}

23:49

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0750001 = 0.75 BTC [-] {2}

23:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07494005 = 0.3747 BTC [-] {2}

23:50

betcha there'd be just the same folks as today for whom itwon't build.

23:50

o holy shit.

23:50

;;google just power cycle machine no idea going on

23:50

“You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/>; Why won't my perpetual motion machine work?: <https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/whynot.htm>; Reviews of Cycling Science | cycling science: <http://cyclingandscience.com (1 more message)

23:51

ok. do i need to say any more ?

23:51

*

asciilifeform would build.

23:52

sauce being of course tom knight, http://catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html#id3141171

23:52

Some AI Koans

23:52

i think everybody alive knows that tale

23:52

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07489999 = 1.8725 BTC [-]

23:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00081793 = 8.4656 BTC [+] {2}

23:52

meanwhile google thinks it's mine.

23:53

1 and 2 in serp.

23:53

this is why never to trust google as an arbiter of relevancy.

23:53

https://www.google.com/search?q=tom+knight+keyboard&tbm=isch

23:53

tom knight keyboard - Google Search

23:54

http://i.vimeocdn.com/video/464650250_640.jpg ?

23:54

lol!

23:54

wrong knight...

23:54

:D

23:55

the latter (smbx) keyboards were castratos compared to knight's

23:55

(pictured here - not mine, though i own both - http://webwit.nl/input/misc/symbolics1.jpg)

23:55

404 Not Found

23:55

^ lol, loads fine here

23:56

the kind of people who have a strong desire /not/ to think become not just a liability on their immediate surroundings, they force a change in how civilization can sustain itself when these people think they should have some power, and indeed /have/ some power qua mass consumers, where everybody is in fact just like everybody else and were being a minority costs real money if not convenience.

23:56

So why do I not want Common Lisp to be a mass market language? Because this kind of people will want to exert influence over something that is good because it has been restricted to the elite that has made a conscious choice to be different from /something/, indeed to /be/ something. The very word exist derives from to step forth, to stand out.

23:56

i like naggum.

23:56

*

asciilifeform doing his best to help zombie-naggum keep walking, since '10.

23:57

guy shoulda definitely been more of a narcisist.

23:57

"the kind of people who have a strong desire /not/ to think become not just a liability on their immediate surroundings, they force a change in how civilization can sustain itself when these people think they should have some power, and indeed /have/ some power qua mass consumers, where everybody is in fact just like everybody else and were being a minority costs real money if not convenience.

23:57

So why do I not want Common Lisp to be a mass market language? Because this kind of people will want to exert influence over something that is good because it has been restricted to the elite that has made a conscious choice to be different from /something/, indeed to /be/ something. The very word exist derives from to step forth, to stand out." << this, incidentally, is why the same splooge tries to

23:57

discourage exceptional people from vanity.

23:57

hah, he was despised by half of c.l.l. for 'self-important prick'

23:57

so that they stupidly kill themselves, a la naggum.

23:57

asciilifeform didn't he die of neglected ulcer ?

23:58

aye

23:58

that's not narcisism.

23:58

hypochondria is narcisism.

23:59