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00:00 BingoBoingo Indeed. My new alias is Tater Totz
00:00 BingoBoingo Fuck me
00:00 BingoBoingo I suck
00:01 BingoBoingo Oh, someone else is using the nick Tater Totz
00:01 BingoBoingo This... must really suck for them...
00:01 * asciilifeform doesn't get the reference - or really want to
00:02 justusranvier BingoBoingo: She is ok
00:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The reference is merely to the pseudo source of carbo hydrates.
00:02 BingoBoingo justusranvier: That is great.
00:02 justusranvier Suppose I should tweet a follow up
00:02 BingoBoingo Dogs are too much better than us to suffer much
00:07 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/476576385796825088
00:07 assbot I'm a big Matt Carpenter fan. But, for Pete's sake, swing the bat! /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash
00:07 justusranvier I am rather fond of them but I wouldn't go so far as to say "better than us".
00:08 BingoBoingo justusranvier: Name a single person other people would knwo who inheres the property of being innocent...
00:09 justusranvier BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/476575872636289024
00:09 assbot She's doing much better than a few days ago. http://t.co/0DRu2ae1qD
00:09 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/cfarivar/status/476491781614624768
00:09 assbot It's not everyday you get a letter from the NSA. :-) /hashtag/FOIA?src=hash http://t.co/nmXYFpF8CS
00:09 BingoBoingo Thank you justusranvier
00:10 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/ <<
00:10 assbot On The Superiority of Monarchy (or, adnotations to Why the Worst Get on Top) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
00:10 mircea_popescu mp proudly presents.
00:10 BingoBoingo That is some hella timing
00:12 BingoBoingo Also, I am probably never refering to canonical's product ever again as anything but nigbuntu. Even Windows is almost better.
00:12 mircea_popescu lol
00:12 mircea_popescu but why nig ?
00:13 BingoBoingo Because in dutch "nig" and "ignorant" resolve to the same root word.
00:13 mircea_popescu oic.
00:14 mircea_popescu mike_c: i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime.. << prolly.
00:15 BingoBoingo Also, seriously, nothing was logging system faults. I share some blame for not ensuring this, but... Who the fuck did I expect to do this.
00:16 BingoBoingo Lazy ass watermelon eating Mark Shuttleworth.
00:16 mircea_popescu hm, syslog ?
00:16 BingoBoingo Makes me hope there is NEVER a new Rhodesia.
00:17 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Firefox crashed opening a cryptome link.
00:17 mircea_popescu uh
00:17 mircea_popescu that's not likely a kernel errror
00:18 asciilifeform if all (even userland) crashes were exploitable - we'd all be rich
00:18 asciilifeform (or just very sad)
00:19 BingoBoingo I assumed all crashes were logged, but I was too niggardly to make sure.
00:20 BingoBoingo Now I'm connected to IRC through a pile of lies.
00:20 mircea_popescu ahahaha
00:20 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/186BRM9.txt )
00:20 mircea_popescu !b 2
00:20 asciilifeform ratio of crashes to useful (exploitable) crashes is roughly like kimberlite to diamond.
00:20 BingoBoingo Explain those minerals in Eve terms...
00:21 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/
00:21 BingoBoingo Also... I'm glad I never turn the Ultra 5 off
00:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: volcanic rock, found in za
00:23 mircea_popescu davout: do i read this one correctly or is euronext valued somewhere around a fifth of whatsapp << if you believe the numbers, yes.
00:23 BingoBoingo Za mean nothing now that South africa has the abreviation. Where did the great Rhodesia go???
00:24 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust nkuttler
00:24 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask nkuttler!~nkuttler@unaffiliated/nkuttler. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nkuttler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nkuttler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nkuttler | Rated since: Mon Apr 8 17:12:48 2013
00:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: incidentally you can still get '.su'
00:24 BingoBoingo Wake me up when I can get .nig
00:25 BingoBoingo SHort for shuttleworth
00:25 asciilifeform wonder who will have '.us' a decade hence
00:25 BingoBoingo Never since Adrian IV has someone squandered prominence as much as Shuttlecock has.
00:26 mircea_popescu !up joesmoe
00:27 mircea_popescu to auto-voice you need to a) identify with gribble. you don't need gpg for this, tho gpg works. you can also identify with your btc address ; b) be in assbot's l2 trust.
00:27 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe
00:27 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
00:27 mircea_popescu you currently are not, which is why assbot isn't upping you.
00:28 joecool ;;gettrust assbot joecool
00:28 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011
00:28 BingoBoingo Through this mess of VM's I'll also say the portale's original Mobo is dead. Fuck you '12 BIOS update.
00:28 mircea_popescu punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634283.0 << holy shit that 2nd post reads like yahoo answers
00:28 assbot Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev?
00:28 mircea_popescu they've created their own community alright.
00:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's post: führerprinzip, it works. preaching to choir?
00:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im justannoyed that people like mises and hayek, ultimate fucking socialists, are represented as some sort of anti-socialism.
00:29 mircea_popescu fucking bullshit, collectivists arguing with each other as to the proper way to the gallows, pretending like it's a world.
00:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: incidentally, ~= 'единоначалие'. how do you say 'führerprinzip' in english? 'steve jobs' ?
00:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't think these are the same tbh.
00:30 asciilifeform true
00:31 asciilifeform if they were, there'd be no need to learn languages
00:31 mircea_popescu there's this very active, latin approach to leadership that i object to.
00:31 mircea_popescu your leader is not fucking here to tell you what to do.
00:31 asciilifeform i like to call it 'playing civ-1'
00:31 mircea_popescu it's exhausting.
00:31 asciilifeform stalin was never more frustrated and ineffective than when he played civ1
00:32 mircea_popescu lol
00:32 mircea_popescu what, on the early years of the front?
00:32 asciilifeform there, and occasionally at home
00:35 BingoBoingo My favorite part of C machines is their capacity for deception.
00:36 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: cant they make it any longer << lmao
00:37 mircea_popescu jurov: bitcoin is registered trademark nao << always has been. by... mtgox. bcause... "it;'s better someone with bitcoin's interests at heart have the tm than someone random"
00:37 mircea_popescu now it will be bought for pennies in a court auction, and you will ALL have to be on my pissing on patents submarine, willy-nilly.
00:37 mircea_popescu well, the dorks that made bitcoin* stuff, at any rate.
00:38 asciilifeform cue the 'we live in submarine' song
00:40 mircea_popescu drawingthesun: I shudder to think what people have said about ActiveMining here << lol fluffypony who's she ?
00:40 mircea_popescu !up drawingthesun
00:40 BingoBoingo It is truly amazing what happens when you walk a disgraced judge's steps backwards a few steps.
00:40 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
00:41 mircea_popescu pankkake: French hair salons love word plays in their names. it's ridiculous << the lumbar yard!
00:42 BingoBoingo I know I've played chess here a few times. In the interim have batter cess players found their way here?
00:43 BingoBoingo moiety???
00:43 mircea_popescu mnope
00:43 mircea_popescu ;;seen moiety
00:43 BingoBoingo Ah
00:43 gribble moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 12 hours, 19 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <moiety> ok moving time, see yous later!
00:44 mircea_popescu wonder what happened to her
00:44 BingoBoingo Prolly Phone blindness
00:44 asciilifeform finally bought manul ?
00:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Manul won't counter my Pirc defense with an Austrian attack so boring...
00:45 asciilifeform (phun phact. last i checked, you can legally own and keep any animal you wish in a moscow apartment.)
00:45 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Same holds in Missouri.
00:45 asciilifeform there's a clip somewhere of a happy owner of siberian lynx in a little flat there.
00:45 asciilifeform 8th floor.
00:45 BingoBoingo Missouri is the only US state that keeps the promise.
00:46 asciilifeform (new meaning for tired old 'longcat is long')
00:49 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-updates-imperial-monarch-might-ship-600gh-model-now/
00:51 decimation mircea_popescu - your intro to the Hayek post calls to mind Mr. Moldbug's point about "chronic kinglessness"
00:52 decimation most of the west would be unable to pass the test of being willing to happily die for the wishes of a particular man or set of men
00:52 asciilifeform decimation: carlyle, evola, ..., ..., limonov, moldy... if one were to spit out all the folks who complained about kinglessness, freenode will boot you for flooding
00:53 decimation yeah, when you think clearly about the nature of soveriegnty, it becomes obvious
00:55 Bet created: "Yankees to get most all-star selections" http://bitbet.us/bet/895/
00:55 decimation also, modern china, singapore, dubai, etc show that "totalitarianism" (lack of collectivism?) is hardly a barrier to economic development
00:57 asciilifeform 'All cannot play the king, and a host of leaders is no wise thing. Let us have but the one leader, the one true king...' - homer's iliad, part ii
00:57 asciilifeform etc
00:59 asciilifeform decimation: the subject of democracy as a successful parasite on wealthy nations was beaten to death by countless people.
00:59 asciilifeform before mr. m touched it
00:59 asciilifeform somehow he gets credited with it by the reddit folks, sorta like tim leary getting credit for lsd
01:00 asciilifeform (most americans seem to think that leary discovered it)
01:00 decimation yeah that's a good point. I guess the reason I "credit" him is because he was the one who brought me out of my ignorance on the subject
01:00 * BingoBoingo actually had a grad class that spent a few weeks on the Leary papers.
01:01 decimation but there is no doubt that it is ancient complaint
01:02 asciilifeform pity he couldn't stop at popularizing and had to mix in assorted crud.
01:03 asciilifeform when we make monkey noises at moldbug, have to remember, the man perhaps should not be held responsible for his audience
01:03 mircea_popescu decimation how;s that one go ?
01:03 asciilifeform 'you go to war with the enemy you had, not the enemy you wish you had' - or how'd that go.
01:04 decimation the complaint about the degenerate nature of democracy (and its various aliases)?
01:04 mircea_popescu the irony being that democracy works fine... here.
01:04 mircea_popescu among people who comprehend the nature of freedom, so to speak.
01:04 mircea_popescu which is notreally distinct from the nature of sovereignity.
01:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00006623 = 0.1325 BTC [-]
01:05 BingoBoingo There are geographic anamalies that break democracies and republics, the premier example of which is Illinois.
01:05 asciilifeform incidentally, old russian folk phrase for a fool, 'без царя в голове' - literally, 'without a king in his head' is useful & applicable
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01:05 asciilifeform sovereignty starts 'at home'
01:05 mircea_popescu pretty much
01:06 asciilifeform some american or other wrote about 'femtoeconomics' - keeping order in your own brain, i think it was
01:06 asciilifeform perhaps similar concept
01:06 decimation my brain recalls moldbug's discussion of cis vs. trans democracy
01:08 asciilifeform mr mold sometimes reminds me of a kid, given a chess set but with no notion of the game, treating the pieces as a curious kind of marble / blunt or pointed weapon.
01:08 decimation yeah, he has mastered that "alien" form of thinking
01:09 BingoBoingo WTF is cs vs. trans. SHould be dex vs. levo...
01:09 decimation well, I don't think he's an expert chemist...
01:10 asciilifeform obligatory:
01:10 asciilifeform http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm
01:10 assbot Why is there Anti-Intellectualism?
01:11 BingoBoingo That isn't expert shit, that is learning things rotate shit.
01:11 asciilifeform 'It is useful, however, to distinguish between tinkering and creativity...'
01:11 asciilifeform '...The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of childlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite.'
01:13 mircea_popescu not a bad observation.
01:13 mircea_popescu too many kids running around, raising kids of their own
01:19 decimation asciilifeform, that's a brilliant essay, thanks for the link.
01:20 decimation It strikes me that curiousity is a feature of genetic expression
01:21 Bet created: "EUR/USD rate to close on or above 1.40 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/896/
01:23 BingoBoingo !up Ukyo
01:26 mircea_popescu decimation indeed it is.
01:26 mircea_popescu that's also why it continues to exist after havingkilled numerous cats
01:26 Bet created: "S.MG profitable in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/897/
01:36 BingoBoingo %ticker
01:36 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 260 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 4k High: 144 Low: 143 VWAP: 143
01:41 BingoBoingo OMG
01:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0243847 = 0.1219 BTC [-]
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02:10 mircea_popescu "Sub-Saharan Africans never discovered Madagascar. Madagascar was settled initially by sailors from Indonesia"
02:10 mircea_popescu perhaps some reparations are in order.
02:10 mircea_popescu Africans never discovered nearby islands like the Cape Verde archipelago.
02:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00085347 = 4.6087 BTC [-]
02:23 mircea_popescu http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm << splendid read indeed.
02:23 assbot Why is there Anti-Intellectualism?
02:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00085347 = 0.2134 BTC [-]
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02:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07035599 = 0.6332 BTC [-] {2}
02:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06988 = 0.6988 BTC [-] {5}
02:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0700002 = 0.28 BTC [+]
02:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085609 = 0.6849 BTC [+]
03:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07 = 1.54 BTC [-]
03:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00085609 = 9.5026 BTC [+]
03:11 dub is buttpay having issues anyone is aware of?
03:11 dub namecheap can't take my coinz
03:12 fluffypony dub: I made a BTC payment to NameCheap yesterday
03:12 fluffypony what's it doing?
03:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-]
03:18 dub not happneing, they have acknowledged a problem
03:18 fluffypony kk
03:21 dub http://status.namecheap.com/?p=15985
03:21 assbot Namecheap Status » [Updated] BitCoin Connectivity Issues
03:24 fluffypony that's annoying
03:25 dub indeed
03:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.02890909 = 0.318 BTC [+] {2}
03:35 fluffypony rice boys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2K2lCgbXw
03:35 assbot Who needs air? (Better Quality) - YouTube
03:41 decimation for those innocent of the subject, here's a video that gives a taste of the Chinese dominance of the electronics market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBtRJc-z05k
03:41 assbot Electronics shops in Hua Qiang Bei, Shenzhen, China - YouTube
03:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00085639 = 2.8261 BTC [+]
03:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 80 @ 0.01801326 = 1.4411 BTC [-] {9}
03:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.02439593 = 1.6589 BTC [+] {5}
03:58 davout good morning
03:58 fluffypony morningz
03:59 Naphex morning
03:59 davout ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot!
03:59 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+]
04:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.251 BTC [+]
04:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.254 = 1.27 BTC [+]
04:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.255 = 1.275 BTC [+]
04:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25888887 = 0.5178 BTC [+]
04:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2608 = 1.304 BTC [+] {2}
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04:32 pankkake http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5265047&cid=47207157
04:32 assbot Firefox 30 Available, Firebug 2.0 Released - Slashdot
04:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 650 @ 0.00085609 = 0.5565 BTC [-]
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05:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00085442 = 1.7943 BTC [-]
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05:55 davout kakobrekla: isn't that a little unclear? -> http://bitbet.us/bet/897/s-mg-profitable-in-2014/
05:55 assbot BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`875 (100`000 to 1)
05:56 pankkake "If the most optimistic predictions for am's performance come true, I will be able to cover my losses from virtually every other garbage scheme I bought into, plus some." bitcointalk, still looking at a bailout
05:56 davout as in, it can have revenue but still be unprofitable due to expenses
05:56 pankkake s/at/for/
05:56 fluffypony lol
06:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.0299999 = 0.51 BTC [+]
06:05 chetty It’s hard to deny just how poorly Chicago’s public schools are performing when it hits you in the face. Such is the case with Paul Robeson High School’s 2014 prom theme: “This is Are Story.”
06:06 pankkake :o thanks obama!
06:13 Mats_cd03 they meant to do it, i promise
06:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 122 @ 0.01800022 = 2.196 BTC [-] {3}
06:15 chetty pankkake, to be fair Obama hasn't been around long enough to ruin the HS kids
06:15 dub but blame africa
06:15 pankkake but he's from Chicago right?
06:16 chetty well he didn't go to HS there, but if he did that might explain a lot
06:16 Mats_cd03 barely
06:16 dub its a story about pirates
06:17 chetty now heres one to feed the fear: http://witscience.org/analysis-of-radio-frequency-identification-rfid-chip-prevalence-in-3-discrete-united-states-populations/
06:17 assbot Analysis of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Chip Prevalence in 3 Discrete United States Populations – WIT
06:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.261 BTC [+]
06:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7761 @ 0.00085426 = 6.6299 BTC [-] {2}
06:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0693002 = 0.1386 BTC [-] {2}
06:31 dub I'd like to know whats on the chip
06:32 dub one of our american brothers should dump one
06:34 chetty shouldnt be that hard to get a filling replaced and check it out
06:34 dub should be able to just scan it
06:34 fluffypony http://cacr.uwaterloo.ca/techreports/2014/cacr2014-10.pdf
06:34 fluffypony that is awesome
06:38 * dub IPO's the Personal Faraday Cage
06:40 fluffypony lol
06:41 dub https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpdABiEbzY
06:41 assbot Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube
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07:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0698 = 0.698 BTC [+]
07:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.029999 = 0.21 BTC [-]
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07:39 pankkake http://www.lacnic.net/en/web/anuncios/2014-no-hay-mas-direcciones-ipv4-en-lac
07:39 assbot Home - LACNIC
07:41 pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-betting-kicks-brazil-world-cup/
07:41 assbot Bitcoin Betting Kicks Off for Brazil World Cup
07:41 pankkake no bitbet either
07:43 davout dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpdABiEbzY <<< old but gold
07:43 assbot Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube
07:47 kakobrekla ;;later tell mircea_popescu <davout> kakobrekla: isn't that a little unclear? -> http://bitbet.us/bet/897/s-mg-profitable-in-2014/
07:47 assbot BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`823 (100`000 to 1)
07:47 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:55 dub davout: handome coke sniper is the best
07:55 dub hansom*
07:55 davout watching
07:57 davout dub: amazing
07:57 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
08:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00085444 = 9.527 BTC [+] {3}
08:08 Mats_cd03 ;;ticker
08:08 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 630.0, Best ask: 632.07, Bid-ask spread: 2.07000, Last trade: 631.89, 24 hour volume: 7078.38017203, 24 hour low: 627.12, 24 hour high: 654.13, 24 hour vwap: 649.944906232
08:08 Mats_cd03 ;;bc,stats
08:08 gribble Current Blocks: 305253 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1178 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12243694772.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14359
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08:49 kakobrekla !up weenfan
08:49 kakobrekla how stupid is this.
08:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.029999 = 0.36 BTC [-]
09:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0699 = 0.3495 BTC [+]
09:02 assbot weenfan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
09:03 kakobrekla !up weenfan
09:03 kakobrekla !up SomeoneWeird
09:04 weenfan :)
09:04 kakobrekla welcome!
09:13 fluffypony kakobrekla: what's stupid?
09:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.029 = 0.203 BTC [-]
09:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0244 = 0.3172 BTC [+]
09:17 kakobrekla fluffy http://dpaste.com/2J7QFJ6.txt
09:18 fluffypony lol
09:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0701255 = 1.4025 BTC [+]
09:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07039137 = 0.7039 BTC [+]
09:23 Mats_cd03 http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/the-argentine-bond-saga-made-simple/#more-212867
09:23 assbot The Argentine bond saga, made simple : SCOTUSblog
09:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+]
09:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00085349 = 3.9261 BTC [-]
09:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0244 = 0.1952 BTC [+]
09:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 104 @ 0.00429979 = 0.4472 BTC [-] {2}
09:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech) << built by the mexican mafia, was it.
09:48 mircea_popescu benkay the totality of russian personnel residing on foreign soil would be the residentura. the subset doing interesting stuff out of them (such as, not the ambassador's personal homebred imported cocksucker - in most places you have to import women as they don't grow locally babes tall enough, blonde enough, fair skinned enough, lithe enough etc etc etc) would be the... agentura.
09:48 mircea_popescu but since we're on it : agentura.ru :D
09:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0694053 = 0.4164 BTC [-]
09:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085495 = 11.5418 BTC [+] {3}
09:52 mircea_popescu (mostly andrei soldatov, a much more interesting fellow than mossberg, imo)
09:53 mircea_popescu and speaking of mossberg : a google on re/code does NOT pop up the wikipedia page on the top 10 results, like for absolutely any other word with a wikipedia entry.
09:53 mircea_popescu nevertheless, it DOES pop a right panel with a summary of mossberg's wikipedia page.
09:53 mircea_popescu someone should put the time into researching the matter, it seems clear to me by now google is entirely manual, they have no algo left at all.
09:54 mircea_popescu basically the 400bn mkt cap company is in its entirety a hundred people trying to maintain a web directory, and we're back to the early 90s over here.
10:00 mircea_popescu diametric: use truecrypt. hehehehe << lol ok. that was worth it :D
10:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange << it's seriously not that healthy.
10:03 mircea_popescu i didn't eat the pork fried on the bible/coran/etc for the record.
10:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting << im interested to hear more of the latter part, do tell ?
10:06 mircea_popescu dub: ff crashed because ff << more specifically, because mozilla co STILL can't make a half decent garbage collector, so they constantly leak memory. yes, even version 69 or w/e they're up to by now.
10:06 mircea_popescu this has fundamental causes in the original training of the people involved with the code, which is why you don't want to learn to computer on bullshit fashionable languages.
10:06 pankkake their garbage collector is better each version, but they add more garbage each version
10:07 mircea_popescu you gotta learn to computer on a language everyone despises, that'll keep you from thinking too much of fucking languages.
10:07 mircea_popescu pankkake haha you have a way with words mr.
10:11 mircea_popescu ok, here's another thing. asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones. << intuitively it seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not ?
10:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gentoo is a source-only distro, where you get to twiddle compiler flags, wait a week for newly-provisioned machine to compile the universe, and - most annoyingly - suffer in the innermost circle of 'dependency hell' where you have to tear up the entire world to build xxxx
10:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the latter part. bycicling
10:12 mircea_popescu i know why gentoo sucks :D
10:12 asciilifeform (on account of xxxx depending on yyy which cannot be built with old version of xxxx around, etc. - sometimes 50 packages long 'chain')
10:12 asciilifeform aha
10:13 asciilifeform picture the folks who ride 50km on bicycle in each direction every day
10:13 mircea_popescu but why would it have to be 50km ?
10:13 asciilifeform because usa
10:13 mircea_popescu but that's because non-cycle.
10:13 mircea_popescu in a town designed for walking everyone else does fine.
10:13 asciilifeform obviously true
10:13 mircea_popescu in a town designed for driving nothing ever works.
10:14 asciilifeform also true
10:14 mircea_popescu (yet another fundamentally wrong design decision that sits at the core of the us' failure, and can't be fixed)
10:14 asciilifeform seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not << 'travelling salesman problem'
10:14 mircea_popescu let's start with what autorouter does. it fills in routes you didn't make yourself ?
10:15 asciilifeform correct
10:15 asciilifeform some proggys even try to place components
10:15 asciilifeform (this, afaik, never works)
10:15 mircea_popescu ok so now... the number of possible connections is finite.
10:15 mircea_popescu what's the problem with bruteforcing it ?
10:16 asciilifeform finite human lifespan...
10:16 mircea_popescu maybe that's what i'm not getting. how many routes are there on an average board ? thousands ?
10:16 * asciilifeform peeks at autorouter window mournfully
10:16 asciilifeform thousands.
10:17 asciilifeform but understand, it isn't enough to merely connect things
10:17 mircea_popescu so then what in the fuck. you take an infinite lifespan to try out 10k options on a computer ?
10:17 asciilifeform gotta obey various rules (minimal clearances between various kinds of objects; minimized path lengths; avoid vias like the plague in high-frequency signals; etc)
10:18 asciilifeform sometimes N or more paths have to be of the same length (to 0.1 mm or so) and you end with 'meanders' (look at the bottom side of stick of sdram)
10:18 asciilifeform on top of this, the tracks, vias, components - occupy space
10:18 asciilifeform a via occupies space on all N layers of a board
10:18 asciilifeform (unless it doesn't. called 'blind' via)
10:18 asciilifeform ^ expensive
10:19 mircea_popescu i still think this should be a solvable problem.
10:19 * mircea_popescu is quite naive.
10:19 asciilifeform in practice, it is solvable - in the sense that man applies 'muscle grease' and board gets routed. eventually.
10:20 asciilifeform and the machine's contribution is substantial
10:20 asciilifeform (no one but children, afaik, uses cad without autorouter entirely)
10:20 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now.
10:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i actually added this to the list of things to do when im old and retired.
10:21 mircea_popescu no fucking way this doesn't have a good solution
10:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: MB of... .bat script << the origin of batshit.
10:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: things to do << fundamentally we're all making a mistake, of solving salesman problem on von neumann engine. instead,
10:23 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#517931
10:23 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
10:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform my intuition is that the machine couldhave evolving bias. like you know, a virgin girl trying to fuck you.
10:24 mircea_popescu "like this ?
10:24 mircea_popescu "how about this ?
10:24 mircea_popescu "is this any good ?"
10:25 asciilifeform (variation on the famous puzzle-joke where mathematicians were given piles of sticks to sort. they puttered around with algorithms - and then janitor comes, and simply stands the sticks up on table, picking them off longest first...)
10:25 mircea_popescu something like that
10:31 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz << lulz is quite understandable, if not machine-understandable. the trick most people claiming to be "only in for the lulz" do is copied directly from that ancient trick of the socialist, "in it only for the soviets" : they oft use it to cover their own (usually intellecual) laziness
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10:31 mircea_popescu with the infantile expectation that no one might figure it out, and should someone figure it out they'd necessarily be easy to laugh down, "because lulz"
10:32 davout "BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now." <<< which is one of the reason specifying the protocol was deemed 'too hard'
10:32 mircea_popescu obviously it doesn't work that way, but "obviously" doesn't work for your average screentanned neckbeard because obviously depends on social experience
10:32 mircea_popescu davout indeed. the dirty little open secret here is that if you don't specify it openly, mp will specify it closedly and then beat you over the head every time you deviate
10:32 mircea_popescu and you'll be painfully wrong and he'll be lulzily right each time he does it
10:33 mircea_popescu and now you've engineered humiliatory failure for yourself.
10:33 mircea_popescu but, like the above, not something the screentanned neckbeard can figure out on his own. (same reason)
10:33 davout everyone's trying to be as cool as the openssl folks
10:33 mircea_popescu and plenty are succeeding lol
10:35 davout so, what do you think about the wording of the "s.mg profitable in 2014" bet ?
10:35 mircea_popescu i gotthe gribble but not there in the log so dunno context yet.
10:35 mircea_popescu what's th problem with it ?
10:35 davout the resolution says it has to have "revenue", the title says it has to be "profitable"
10:36 davout i'm saying it can have revenue without being profitable
10:36 mircea_popescu ah that. well, if all else fails the bitbet backstop is that titles are informative, bets are descriptive
10:36 mircea_popescu much like you know, newspaperarticles
10:37 davout ok, so by this logic i just have to make a donation to s.mg to have it have "revenue", and the bet resolves to 'yes'
10:37 mircea_popescu how would you make adonation to s.mg ?
10:38 mircea_popescu (and if the bet was worded otherwise, this would havbe been true. if you can make a hundred billion dollar donation to berkshire you can currently win the berkshire bet too)
10:38 davout by sending it money, assuming there's some sort of service rolled-out by end 2014, if not it can't really have revenue or be profitable, but in this case the bet title might as well be reworded to "s.mg open for business" or something like that
10:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months? << something with cats in it. or depending on whaty you mean by pass.
10:39 davout just saying the resolution condition should be rewritten, which shouldn't be much of an issue since there are only house bets for now
10:39 mircea_popescu i don't think that ever happened to date.
10:39 davout said the virgin
10:39 mircea_popescu moreover, you're saying it, but you're not backing it up.
10:40 davout howso ?
10:41 mircea_popescu lol. you ask me how so you've failed to make a case ? by failing to make a case lol.
10:41 mircea_popescu howso you think you did make it, is more the question.
10:41 davout what part of "the title isn't consistent with the bet resolution condition" do you disagree with?
10:42 mircea_popescu the part where that matters.
10:42 mircea_popescu consider perhaps a better example : we go into a japanese restaurant together, where we're given sticks to eat with.
10:42 mircea_popescu these aren't equal length.
10:43 kakobrekla how do you sort them?
10:43 mircea_popescu when pointed out to the manager, he explains that while they mostly try to make it the same length, being two different items obviously they can never in fact be equal length, for quantum reasons
10:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00085315 = 2.9007 BTC [-]
10:43 mircea_popescu and so for any case, the backstop is that the larger stick's length is defined as the pair's equal length
10:44 mike_c what? that's ridiculous. the shorter stick should be the pair's equal length.
10:44 davout well, i get how that can be clarified, all i'm saying is that it can't really hurt to make them consistent, especially when no one else has bet yet
10:44 mircea_popescu obviously mike_c runs the rival FUD japanese restaurant across the street
10:45 mircea_popescu where not only they sleep with their horses in the bed, but also all house numbers are even
10:45 mircea_popescu like slovenly sluts.
10:45 davout and also that the bet doesn't make that much sense if to resolve to yes s.mg only has to report an incoming money transfer > 0
10:45 kakobrekla he likes to use that word.
10:45 mircea_popescu davout well let's do these one at a time huh ?
10:46 mircea_popescu it can't really hurt to make them consistent, before they're made. but the entire model (not just of bitbet, for that matter) rests on absolutes, and the proposal of improving this bet runs into the absolute that it's already published,
10:46 mircea_popescu and so it'll go nowhere.
10:46 mircea_popescu and as to how much sense a bet makes... who the fuck cares outside of the people betting on it.
10:46 mike_c bibet has stooped to making clarifying comments before. this may be appropriate in this case.
10:47 mircea_popescu imo bs shakespeare tony awards bets don't make any sense
10:47 mircea_popescu mike_c yeah but i prefer to make it buried in here.
10:47 mircea_popescu gotta give fluffypony's platform a living after all.
10:47 davout granted, but following your logic, if the title doesn't matter wrt the bet resolution there's no problem changing it :-)
10:48 mircea_popescu only because you abusively equate distinct things.
10:48 fluffypony what did I miss
10:48 mircea_popescu the absolute isn't a conditional absolute, ie, "the bet won't changed except for parts we can get away with"
10:48 mircea_popescu +Be
10:49 mircea_popescu now if only the us congress spent their morning today reading this log instead of absolutely anything they've been doing,
10:49 mircea_popescu the us might have a chance of being properly administered for a day.
10:49 mike_c davout: you can easily fix this by asking the question in the comments.
10:49 mircea_popescu mike_c fud #2 for you today, suggesting the choice of venue is upon the plaintiff! WHO EVER HEARD OF THIS
10:49 davout the way i understand what you say is that the bet title is merely a convenience, it has no value with regards to resolution, so by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever
10:50 mircea_popescu davout sure, but the way you understand things has little bearing
10:50 mircea_popescu this isn't some sort of diplomatic negotiation where you can make oral notes on your signing of the treaty
10:50 mircea_popescu "germany understands this peace treaty as a carte blanche to fuck all your womenz"
10:50 davout hm
10:50 mircea_popescu the way it was said was that in any dispute between the two, the body carries.
10:51 davout i'm not saying there's an ambiguity in the bet resolution, it's perfectly clear if the body supersedes the title
10:52 mircea_popescu yeah but you're trying to equivocate between "in any dispute between the two, the body carries" and "by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever"
10:52 mircea_popescu these are not the same, really. for instance, the title is indexed.
10:52 mircea_popescu as far as bitbet is concerned, the string of english words that is the title NOW MEANS the string of english words that is the body.
10:52 mircea_popescu much like if you made an alias.
10:53 mircea_popescu that's the meaning of the japanese sticks story : not that you can throw out one stick
10:53 mircea_popescu but that whatever you may think your measurement shows,
10:53 mircea_popescu the shorter stick IS ACTUALLY as long as the longer one.
10:53 davout yes, i got all that :-)
10:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085432 = 0.6835 BTC [+]
10:53 davout let's move on to the second part
10:53 mircea_popescu win.
10:53 davout wait
10:54 mircea_popescu i wonder how many people reading the logs just got a legal & philosophical education.
10:54 mircea_popescu what was the second part lessee
10:54 davout the way the resolution is worded can be reduced to : "bet resolves to yes if at some point during 2014, it is possible to send money to an address owned by s.mg"
10:55 davout because that would count as revenue
10:55 mircea_popescu well then it also has to report it.
10:55 mircea_popescu or perhaps it could report revenue nobody sent as btc
10:55 mircea_popescu such as for instance i dunno, blizzard gets scared and pays us 50 bux to not run wow out of business
10:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.070003 = 0.28 BTC [+]
10:55 davout that would count as revenue
10:56 mircea_popescu indeed.
10:56 davout making the bet resolve to yes
10:56 mircea_popescu right.
10:56 davout even if there are 500 BTC expenses to cover leading to a loss
10:57 mircea_popescu right.
10:57 davout so the bet resolution could be rewritten as "yes if s.mg receives at least one satoshi in 2014"
10:57 chetty you know it is fascinating how much this convo sounds like this 'issue':http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/the-argentine-bond-saga-made-simple/#more-212867
10:58 mircea_popescu davout except satoshi is misleading, itcould receive a goat.
10:58 davout win
10:58 davout BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO REPORT IT TOO
10:59 chetty If someone gives me a goat I will never tell
10:59 mircea_popescu davout sure.
10:59 mike_c goat embezzlement!
10:59 mircea_popescu chetty lmao
11:00 davout it also has implications wrt to the bet resolution time
11:00 davout the bet can actually resolve as soon as s.mg is open for business
11:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0699 = 1.398 BTC [-]
11:01 mircea_popescu indeed.
11:02 pankkake http://bitbet.us/propositions/ is too small, I can't see older rejects
11:02 assbot BitBet Propositions
11:02 pankkake or you should remove the pure spam
11:02 mircea_popescu or you could check daily.
11:03 mircea_popescu or add a rule "whenever the last bet on page is not in my list of read bets, halve the checking interval"
11:03 mike_c isn't there an rss?
11:03 mike_c ah, not for proposed
11:04 mircea_popescu now that may be a good idea
11:04 mircea_popescu kakobrekla, proposed bets rss ?
11:05 pankkake I did check yesterday
11:05 pankkake there was just too much bets (and spam) in a short timeframe
11:05 pankkake well, alternatively I can submit it for the third time :D
11:05 mircea_popescu chetty "Or, the Court might ask the Obama administration for its views on pari passu"
11:06 mircea_popescu since when the motherfucking hells does the administration have a say in this!
11:06 mircea_popescu jesus republic of the soviets they got going over there. go ask lenin whydontcha
11:06 mircea_popescu pankkake prolly rss is the best solution
11:07 pankkake why not remove the "fsdfdf" bets? they make up 80% of the page
11:07 kakobrekla pankkake if you are looking for the reason i can look it up
11:08 pankkake it's a bitcoin-central vs. kraken volume bet
11:09 kakobrekla this one : This bet resolves has Yes if Bitcoin-Central has a 30d BTC/EUR trading volume higher than Kraken's, at any point before 2015, as computed by http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/
11:09 assbot Bitcoin Charts / Markets
11:09 kakobrekla ?
11:09 pankkake yes
11:10 kakobrekla reason: Not going to check two pages every day to make sure; come up with a better resolution source if possible.
11:10 mircea_popescu hm
11:10 pankkake unfortunately there isn't, as neither exchanges publish a 30d volume
11:10 davout kakobrekla: dun worry, i'll tell you a couple in advance which day i'll push dogecoin volume to bitcoin charts
11:11 kakobrekla lel
11:11 davout *couple of days
11:11 kakobrekla btw when are you going to connect to rtbtc again
11:12 davout prolly sthg i'll work on during the summer
11:12 mircea_popescu pankkake this sort of bet is problematic, because what the fuck's the submitter to do.
11:12 mircea_popescu im thinking a solution going forward would be "claim bets", ie, bets that resolve one way unless proof to the contrary is presented in the comments.
11:13 pankkake yeah, for the CNY volume bet I actually wrote a script to watch the result
11:13 mircea_popescu the problem with this, of course, is that it gives a monetary incentive to make comments, at which point the result will be a flood of nonsense
11:13 pankkake then quickly archive.is the page
11:13 mircea_popescu (ie, someone who's not won loses nothing by making a spurious claim he has. this then taxes mod time, and the more complex the claim the better for the claimant)
11:14 mircea_popescu one of those subjects being thought about.
11:14 pankkake though for a 30d volume bet, you should see it coming
11:14 mircea_popescu pankkake unless one exchange is offline for a little bit.
11:14 pankkake no but I mean you have to care only if they are reasonably close, which isn't the case at all now
11:15 mircea_popescu not so.
11:15 mircea_popescu suppose each does 10 btc a day on average.
11:15 mircea_popescu suppose one day there's a panic, which takes one offline but not the other, which now dows 500 btc
11:15 mircea_popescu have you seen it coming ?
11:15 mircea_popescu surely if they both were online both'd have done 500 btc, keeping their parity
11:15 mircea_popescu but they weren't.
11:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 4 @ 0.042 = 0.168 BTC
11:16 mircea_popescu "Particular difficulties ensue if the rules are not simple multiples of each other, and when vias must traverse between layers with different rules."
11:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok im cured. this and the oxide gate problems, i can see it now.
11:17 mircea_popescu "The earliest types of EDA routers were "manual routers" -- the drafter clicked a mouse on the endpoint of each line segment of each net. Modern PCB design software typically provides "interactive routers" -- the drafter selects a pad and clicks a few places to give the EDA tool an idea of where to go, and the EDA tool tries to place wires as close to that path as possible without violating DRC." << my naive bias thing
11:17 mircea_popescu actually well implemented etc.
11:20 Mats_cd03 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2440866
11:20 assbot Intraday Momentum: The First Half-Hour Return Predicts the Last Half-Hour Return by Lei Gao, Yufeng Han, Guofu Zhou :: SSRN
11:21 mircea_popescu hm
11:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+] {2}
11:26 mike_c it's amazing how many great links come through this channel without any need for up/down voting systems.
11:26 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
11:28 benkay <decimation> yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices // my favorite of these is made my a local shop (designed in germany, though). it sits on your nervous system and listens to your heartbeat, supplying it's own 'carrier wave' when necessary to entrain the signal that nominally keeps things beating in time.
11:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC
11:28 benkay i almost took a job making fixtures for them before i knew how little i enjoyed shop support at big shops.
11:29 benkay * asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun // are the 'suicides' humorously staged yet?
11:30 mircea_popescu !down mike_c
11:30 mircea_popescu no up/down indeed :D
11:30 mike_c well there is that.
11:30 mircea_popescu benkay afaik heart beats on its own localised nervous system
11:30 mircea_popescu not going through the spine
11:31 benkay one of the subnets.
11:31 benkay installation was a pain
11:31 benkay :D
11:31 mircea_popescu lol
11:31 mircea_popescu so this is the day of the longlog huh
11:31 benkay for me at least.
11:32 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog << is that even possible ?!
11:32 mircea_popescu or you mean, "not turned on"
11:33 benkay BingoBoingo: 'man logger'
11:34 mircea_popescu they even had a special doohickey made so they could add it in the menus
11:34 mircea_popescu a sort of gui log reader
11:35 mircea_popescu or do you mean that ancient "rsyslogd was HUPed, type lightweight" bug they've had for ages ? did it eventually prevail upon them and so they just took logging right out of 12.04 ? :D
11:36 benkay logging is hard
11:36 benkay users don't care
11:36 benkay give everyone a touchscreen
11:38 mircea_popescu since now im looking into logs,
11:38 mircea_popescu [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth1 OUT= SRC=208.94.26.148 DST=192.168.0.100 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=242 ID=65083 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=46252
11:39 mircea_popescu ppls haxxing off 443 now ?
11:40 dignork mircea_popescu: might be heartbleed probes
11:40 dignork mircea_popescu: nop, sorry, it's SPT
11:41 Mats_cd03 http://aswathdamodaran.blogspot.com/2014/05/alibaba-china-story-with-profitable.html
11:41 assbot Musings on Markets: Alibaba: A China Story with a profitable ending?
11:41 davout root
11:41 davout fail
11:43 dignork davout: might be just weird NAT router
11:43 mircea_popescu davout hm ?
11:49 mircea_popescu decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water) <<< that took a while.
11:49 mircea_popescu someone'll prolly write a blockbuster in a little
11:49 davout nvm, wrong window
11:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC
11:50 kakobrekla it was his username and password, root and fail.
11:50 mircea_popescu seems reasonable.
11:50 davout kakobrekla: hahaha, actually the password is root too
11:51 kakobrekla :)
11:51 Mats_cd03 i take credit for good links in this channel
11:51 mircea_popescu i once broke into a network with the root-leaf combo
11:51 kakobrekla http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2014-06-10-dlakava-dlan-junijski-uritoff-28170.jpg
11:52 kakobrekla now i take credit.
11:52 mircea_popescu this is why you don't make wicca chicks sysadmins
11:52 Mats_cd03 ur dirty
11:52 mircea_popescu kakobrekla that's not a good link, that's a bead link.
11:52 davout such nsfw
11:53 kakobrekla where dafuq do you work
11:53 mircea_popescu yogurt factory.
11:53 benkay !up blackwhite
11:53 kakobrekla ah, they buy milk from us?
11:53 mircea_popescu not from us, from usagi.
11:59 thestringpuller can't have cookies without milk
11:59 fluffypony lulz
11:59 mircea_popescu !up mjr_
11:59 mircea_popescu !up TheNewDeal
11:59 mircea_popescu how's diff betting coming along
11:59 TheNewDeal it's gonna be close
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
12:00 TheNewDeal we're actually losing some time this change, making the 3rd change iffy
12:00 mircea_popescu fun huh
12:00 TheNewDeal meh
12:00 TheNewDeal more interested in the opec production news of the morn
12:01 Mats_cd03 thats not good news
12:01 TheNewDeal what is?
12:01 mircea_popescu russia is emerging as a major ally of the muslims, and its strategy to energetically isolate the west is starting to take shape.
12:02 TheNewDeal west has lucked out with oil prospects of late
12:02 TheNewDeal not sure how long it will help though
12:03 Mats_cd03 diff bet and opec news
12:04 TheNewDeal both, I know
12:04 mircea_popescu problem is
12:04 mircea_popescu youy never know if the west is lying or not
12:04 TheNewDeal I was hoping for the bitcoin network and the opec producers to ramp up production :D
12:04 Mats_cd03 iraq is going to lose a fourth city to the fictional caliphate
12:04 Mats_cd03 by the end of this year
12:04 TheNewDeal mircea_popescu true, and oil prospects are always estimates
12:05 mircea_popescu exactly.
12:05 mircea_popescu i can't image a us policy of easy money not including easy reserves.
12:05 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7250864#msg7250864
12:05 assbot BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]
12:05 fluffypony "On the other hand it was expected that usagi will get confused and "loose" the wallet. In general he's so confused that he doesn't know if he's a she or she's a he."
12:05 fluffypony lol!
12:05 fluffypony I love forum catch-up days
12:05 Mats_cd03 losing mosul to militants is a death blow
12:06 mircea_popescu i love olives
12:06 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 you know, iraq 2 mayt well turn out to be the largest intl mistake the us ever made
12:06 TheNewDeal be back
12:06 mircea_popescu especially through being the last.
12:07 pankkake the USAgi?
12:07 mircea_popescu lol
12:08 fluffypony hah hah
12:09 pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/expedia-will-accept-bitcoin-hotel-bookings/
12:09 assbot Expedia Will Accept Bitcoin for Hotel Bookings
12:09 mircea_popescu funny btw, the us overthrew ukraine, the russian-backed syria overthrew iraq.
12:09 mircea_popescu so far, check.
12:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711999 = 0.1424 BTC [+]
12:10 Mats_cd03 the northern alliance was the best bet iraq ever had for any semblance of security
12:11 Mats_cd03 i wonder if the kurds have the stomach to breach doors and fight house to house
12:11 Mats_cd03 probably not
12:11 mircea_popescu stomach they have
12:11 mircea_popescu numbers they have not.
12:12 mircea_popescu at any rate, back on the realpolitik map, i wonder just how defensible afghanistan is w/o iraq,
12:12 mircea_popescu and once the withdrawal is complete by autumn i wonder just how safe any us interests in the midwest will ever be again.
12:13 mircea_popescu proll best start dealing with venezuela.
12:14 TheNewDeal mexico and canada as well
12:15 mircea_popescu canada is a given, 52nd state, after uk
12:15 mircea_popescu mexico looks iffy tho
12:16 chetty its ok Mexico is currently moving to Arizona
12:16 TheNewDeal mexico is 3rd to canada and saudi arabia
12:17 mircea_popescu saudi arabia is in no way on the list.
12:17 TheNewDeal http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm
12:17 assbot U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports
12:17 mircea_popescu it's an ally of the us in thesense the tour guide of the fat tourist is an ally of his.
12:17 mircea_popescu taking him to all the good fleecing spots.
12:17 mircea_popescu i'll bet you the us won't be buying much oil from sa by the end of the decade.
12:19 TheNewDeal regardless of saudi, mexico is ~1/4 - 1/3 of the opec total
12:19 mircea_popescu also a doomed hope. the cartels will sooner or later make continued oil exports dependent on continued opium imports
12:19 mircea_popescu much in the manner of england colonising china
12:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC
12:20 mircea_popescu it'll work, too. mexico has a better chance of ruling the us than either democrat or republican party in ten years.
12:20 TheNewDeal there is a booming mexican population within the us
12:20 mircea_popescu sure
12:21 mircea_popescu colonisation usually works that way.
12:21 TheNewDeal except when you infect the indigenous population with deadly diseases
12:22 mircea_popescu i don't imagine biological shock is going to be much going forward
12:22 mircea_popescu we've had flight for a centuryby now
12:22 TheNewDeal I'm just saying it happened in mexico too
12:22 TheNewDeal knocked out a bunch of mayans and others when the conquistadors came through
12:23 mircea_popescu yeah.
12:24 TheNewDeal speaking of viruses and disease
12:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0711999 = 0.2848 BTC [+]
12:24 TheNewDeal I tried betting both sides to the MERS, not looking good now
12:25 mircea_popescu "The day's developments mean Isis now has effective control over three cities, including Falluja and Ramadi in neighbouring Anbar. "
12:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+]
12:25 mircea_popescu no, the day's developments mean that isis has now secured communication lines for its pincher of baghdad
12:25 TheNewDeal what is Isis?
12:26 mircea_popescu the syrian expeditionary army in iraq
12:27 TheNewDeal Islamic State Isomething Ssomething?
12:27 mircea_popescu Iraq's embattled government said it would arm civilians and ask the parliament to declare a state of emergency. << this is a splendid point in case. the us-allied iraq government is going to... arm the civillians.
12:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 8 @ 0.042 = 0.336 BTC
12:27 mircea_popescu right.
12:27 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal "of iraq in syria"
12:28 mircea_popescu http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/10/1402409110353/Iraqis-fleeing-Mosul-011.jpg << People fleeing the violence queue at a checkpoint near Mosul.
12:28 mircea_popescu This i don't fucking understand. if you're trying to leave mosul and there's some fuckwits holding a "checkpoint" in your way
12:28 Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: arming civilians is really the only thing they can do. what, its not like the state can secure anything
12:28 mircea_popescu the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails
12:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+]
12:29 mircea_popescu then videotape it and post it on youtube, should any other fuckwits need training as to the importance of "holding checkpoints"
12:29 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 "arming civillians" strictly means, in this sense, "Taking these weapons the us gave us and giving it to the people they were trying to fight"
12:30 Mats_cd03 well yeah
12:30 mircea_popescu what civillians ? "we're giving the n billions worth of material to al-quaeda. because fuck you, that's why"
12:31 benkay <mircea_popescu> the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails // learned helplessness of the last rats to flee?
12:31 mircea_popescu but i mean look at tyhe picture
12:32 mircea_popescu cars where camels go, a bunch of redditards trying to pretend like they're playing WoW irl.
12:32 benkay isn't this the kind of desert where one can simply drive around road obstructions?
12:32 benkay !up cipi
12:32 mircea_popescu i wonder how many of the fuckwits still have the lease papers in the glove compartment.
12:32 benkay ;;gettrust cipi
12:32 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user cipi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=cipi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cipi | Rated since: never
12:32 benkay what's wrong with lease papers in the glove compartment?
12:33 mircea_popescu benkay it's the sort of desert where a car doing less than 50 is a death trap.
12:33 mircea_popescu benkay that nobody fucking owns title to anything anymore.
12:33 mircea_popescu german serfs cca 1100 knew as much, "the day foreign armed men walk the province, all tax obligations are null and void"
12:33 Mats_cd03 heh
12:34 thestringpuller havelock is becoming the spam of IPOs
12:34 kakobrekla !up CiPi
12:34 mircea_popescu "The city fell like a plane without an engine," said a Mosul businessman << what's with these people and planes.
12:34 Mats_cd03 when there's blood on the streets...
12:34 Mats_cd03 steal a tv
12:34 mircea_popescu you'd think they could have less humorous metaphores.
12:34 thestringpuller it's like every fucking day I get a new email "IPO AVAILABLE!"
12:34 mircea_popescu thestringpuller bitcoin available ? :D
12:34 benkay !up samson_
12:36 Apocalyptic thestringpuller, yeah havelol spam starting to be annoying
12:37 fluffypony I eventually just blacklisted their domain
12:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00229947 = 0.2299 BTC [+]
12:37 fluffypony so now I don't get any email from them
12:38 pankkake you can unsuscribe from IPO announcements. did it months ago
12:38 mircea_popescu but think ofall the opportunities!
12:38 Apocalyptic opportunities!!1!
12:39 mircea_popescu opporturdities
12:39 pankkake opportnudetities
12:39 pankkake no, that's on trilema
12:39 mircea_popescu this almost sounds like an improvement
12:39 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/afc801fdf4033715a186c389bdc2b1fd/tumblr_n5ov5g3MW31r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:40 mircea_popescu o boy i gotcher nao.
12:40 mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/06eb0d0ea9f889594956100fbfe37bdd/tumblr_n5ov4cgTN81r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:40 pankkake give her something to eat, poor girl
12:40 pankkake ew
12:40 mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/562a57e24c1f363fa54e8d256cf08218/tumblr_n5ov3jzavH1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:40 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/98d97ff00e69651207f7f7265392ff0b/tumblr_n5ouxvMXqm1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:40 Duffer1 :(
12:40 mircea_popescu and you know what it's gonna be, and yet you can't look away
12:40 mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/44c5cb790e9a599d6f3d87c6dafd4181/tumblr_n03226ov601r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:41 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/14e277ab71c17d39726de474524f808c/tumblr_mpa2frkYet1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:41 benkay of ffs
12:41 mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/a4795fff1483b83f61581ce15813a6f4/tumblr_mocdml62xy1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:41 kakobrekla spam
12:41 mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72x46xj9l1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:41 benkay !down mircea_popescu
12:41 mircea_popescu da fuck is that even
12:41 mircea_popescu like chest flap
12:41 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6lh931Iqg1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:42 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50ns6XJBW1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:42 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1gewxiBem1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:42 Mats_cd03 fuck
12:42 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpif2hFC51r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:42 Mats_cd03 why
12:42 mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpid63QVC1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:42 mircea_popescu i sold out to the usg!
12:42 mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltqmu7JZ1a1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:42 benkay stahp
12:42 * kakobrekla sets mode +m #bitcoin-assets
12:42 mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt2nmzazVH1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
12:43 mircea_popescu that should be enough for a day huh ?
12:43 mircea_popescu com back tomorrow, same time !!1
12:43 pankkake didn't look at the last ones. usually I don't resist, but too much at a time
12:43 mircea_popescu well the'll be in the log
12:43 mircea_popescu waiting for you
12:43 mircea_popescu being ugly and waiting. waiting and being ulgy.
12:44 benkay makes one miss ozbot.
12:46 mircea_popescu decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well? << a solid argument, except, why does a cat manage to break things so well when no cat has yet produced any thing ?
12:47 jurov if everyone suspects the deaths being staged, then ofc they were not well accomplished
12:47 pankkake I wish I knew how ozbot found the images
12:48 mircea_popescu pankkake just went through some selected tumblrs
12:50 pankkake https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/09391f1561178e3112f44516be6dbe4b/tumblr_n6pbmpw0PE1s9dnijo1_1280.jpg on the homepage, what a horrible pic
12:52 mircea_popescu whats with all the black people ?
12:52 mircea_popescu is obama racist or something ?
12:53 pankkake my first thought was "this looks like a typical stock photo where minorities must be present otherwise you're racist. oh wait, who's this guy, i think i know him"
12:53 TheNewDeal while I was going there, my school got caught photoshopping a black person into a photo
12:54 TheNewDeal the black guy came out publicly stating he was not in the photo originally
12:54 pankkake wow, so it was a photo of know people in the school? and they thought they could get away with it?
12:55 pankkake anyway, the classic: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/26/microsofts-ad-in-poland-p_n_269366.html
12:55 assbot Microsoft's Ad In Poland Photoshops Black Man, But Keeps Asian Man, White Woman
12:55 TheNewDeal actually, looks like it was before my time. http://www.snopes.com/college/admin/uwmadison.asp
12:57 TheNewDeal pankkake niiice
13:03 pankkake https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/3c67ec86122253f5d2eb70757b91d789/tumblr_n5ix72EeKc1rrq7ino1_1280.jpg
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13:09 mircea_popescu davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot! << thanks!
13:10 mircea_popescu dub: but blame africa << everyone knows africans aren't pirates, they couldn't even discover madagascar.
13:10 mircea_popescu it's the muslims that are the pirates.
13:16 mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/v3TgQCo
13:16 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
13:16 TheNewDeal updating the diff change estimate to 6.8%
13:17 mircea_popescu why tyhe fuck do they continue to push all the derpage and try and pretend is entirely beyond me
13:17 mircea_popescu roughly in the situation of a small african country trying to push this alt-geography where china doesn't exist
13:18 TheNewDeal whats the sham betsite?
13:18 mircea_popescu !up mgio
13:18 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot mgio
13:18 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mgio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mgio | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mgio | Rated since: never
13:18 mircea_popescu you will need ti get in assbot's l2 to voice yourself.
13:18 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal i dunno, a bevy of pretenders
13:18 mircea_popescu they change about quarterly
13:19 mircea_popescu the pretense remains unchanged. "there's mpex, we don't talk about. the exchange we talk about is <Del>glbse<del>btct<del>bitcoin whatever<del>etc"
13:19 TheNewDeal they the results of the proposition spam?
13:19 mircea_popescu "there's bitbet, we don;'t talk about. the betting sites we talk about is <del>etc"
13:19 mircea_popescu i have no idea
13:19 mircea_popescu !up joesmoe
13:19 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe
13:19 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
13:19 joesmoe i can't seem to get assbot to like me, its being a real ass
13:20 mircea_popescu same goes to you that i said to mgio : unless you're in assbot l2's trust you can't up yourself.
13:20 joesmoe ahhh
13:20 joesmoe i'm suprised i'm not
13:20 joesmoe i've done a few transactions on otc a while back
13:20 mircea_popescu well, look at l1, talk to the people there.
13:20 mgio i see
13:21 mgio has anyone seen ukyo around recently?
13:21 mgio thanks for the help
13:21 mircea_popescu ;;seen Ukyo
13:21 gribble Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 25 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
13:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 34 @ 0.042 = 1.428 BTC
13:24 mgio not a good sign, oh well
13:24 Apocalyptic he's here right now
13:24 joesmoe lol
13:25 TheNewDeal weird
13:27 mircea_popescu mgio what's your interest anyway, if it's not secret ?
13:28 joesmoe mgio is NSA, tracking Ukyo down
13:28 mgio ukyo.loan, he owes me a lot of money and it supposedily working on some projects to pay it back. wondering what the status is
13:29 mgio I'm probably more patient than I should be
13:29 mircea_popescu well what recourse other than patience do you have anyway.
13:29 mike_c what's the other option?
13:29 mircea_popescu beat you.
13:29 benkay NONE THIS IS BITCOIN
13:30 benkay the whole 'can you assbot' thing as test of technical ability is a neat filter to boot.
13:30 mgio legal options, of course
13:30 mike_c mircea_popescu: what do you think is the best judge of money supply? m2? m4?
13:30 benkay ninjashogun's been harping at me again. anyone else catching his flak?
13:30 mike_c yes
13:31 mike_c wait for the part where he asks you how many bitcoin you have.
13:31 mgio he lives in the US, as do I, and the terms of the loan are pretty straightforward
13:31 mircea_popescu <mgio> legal options, of course << that didn't mwean anything.
13:31 mgio only way to get out of it if he was to declare personal bankrupcy
13:31 mgio in other words, sue him for the btc owed
13:31 mircea_popescu mike_c what are you judging it for ?
13:32 benkay !up AncientAliensBTC
13:32 mircea_popescu !up AncientAliensBTC
13:32 benkay oh this will be good
13:32 mircea_popescu !sideways benkay
13:32 benkay my btc come from aliens
13:32 TheNewDeal ooooh goat's milk - so milky
13:32 benkay i have an alien miner
13:32 benkay in a pyramid
13:32 Apocalyptic <benkay> oh this will be good <<
13:32 AncientAliensBTC SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good.
13:33 TheNewDeal surpised I haven't heard speculation that satoshi was an alien.
13:33 benkay yeah totally
13:33 benkay satoshi nakamoto is ancient aliens
13:33 chetty time traveler
13:33 benkay its the only sensible option
13:33 benkay nono der paradoxen
13:33 benkay aliens makes sense tho
13:33 mike_c mircea_popescu: hard to describe. i am trying to think about how many dollars there are, which is obviously a complicated topic.
13:34 Apocalyptic AncientAliensBTC, hope you are Giorgio
13:34 benkay <AncientAliensBTC> SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good. // actually the thing is that the tech is so bad that only an agent entirely unfamiliar with cultural standards could have done it
13:34 mircea_popescu mike_c ok, but dollars in what sense ?
13:35 mircea_popescu it's always the case you can narrow and pin things down in a macro discussion, tho it's almost always the case people are reluctant to do so
13:35 mircea_popescu functionally, deductively, somehow there's a way
13:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00085432 = 3.5027 BTC [+]
13:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8180 @ 0.00085661 = 7.0071 BTC [+] {2}
13:36 AncientAliensBTC More seriously though, anyone want to discuss the betting of both sides on BitBet? I'm curious about discussing the theory behind the results of the data dump.
13:37 mircea_popescu you seen mike_c article ?
13:37 AncientAliensBTC Nope
13:38 TheNewDeal Someone found the truth Re:I am ... by cshark @slashdot http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4562153&cid=45709487
13:38 assbot Bitcoin Inventor Satoshi Nakamoto Could Actually Be Group From Europe - Slashdot
13:38 mircea_popescu ;;google btcalpha betting bitbet
13:38 gribble Betting BitBet Both Ways - Btc Alpha: <http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/>; Btc Alpha - Analysis tools for bitcoin finance.: <http://www.btcalpha.com/>; When Does BitBet Money Come In? - Btc Alpha: <http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/when-does-bitbet-money-come-in/>
13:38 mircea_popescu it's a good site generally.
13:39 AncientAliensBTC poured through trilema and btc alpha already :)
13:39 mike_c mircea_popescu: well, i am trying to internalize money supply. like it seems m2 floats around 4x m1. the fed says m3 is meaningless, but others say it isn't. and i don't entirely understand m4 yet.
13:40 mike_c i thought you might have some insight to measures worth understanding vs. ones that are just noise.
13:40 Apocalyptic "the fed says m3 is meaningless" // is anything the fed says meaningfull ?
13:40 mircea_popescu the fed is engaged in a doomed fight to maintain the financial relevancy of a dead industrial base.
13:40 mircea_popescu m3 is only relevant if you wish to pierce through that veil
13:41 mike_c anyone have any good book recommendations on the topic?
13:41 Apocalyptic mike_c, do you distinguish between money supply and monetary base ?
13:41 mike_c Apocalyptic: i am trying to :)
13:42 mircea_popescu hm
13:43 mircea_popescu all the goodstuff i read on the paper were romanian cb white papers in the 80s and 90s
13:43 mircea_popescu on thetopic*
13:43 mike_c AncientAliensBTC: i see betting both sides of a bitbet as a bet on action. if the bet receives a lot of action, you should do well.
13:45 mircea_popescu !up dexX7
13:45 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot dexX7
13:45 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dexX7: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dexX7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dexX7 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 20:01:25 2013
13:45 dexX7 thanks
13:45 dexX7 i think i can up myself
13:47 mircea_popescu aha yeah you can.
13:47 mircea_popescu whoever made the mp being wrong bitbet : i was all for it but the mods shot it down.
13:47 mircea_popescu bitbet mods suck
13:47 pankkake agreed
13:48 AncientAliensBTC How does betting later affect my odds? Say I bet 1 BTC (as the site shows) with a 3.5 BTC payout. How much will I cash in on my early betting vs lose out to my position becoming more popular/dilute other side?
13:48 pankkake and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong
13:51 kakobrekla AncientAliensBTC someone made an app to simulate that i think
13:53 TheNewDeal it's easy enough to calculate
13:53 TheNewDeal ancientaliensbtc is it ok to assume no more bets will be made on the opposing side (more conservative) ?
13:53 fluffypony mircea_popescu: what was the bet?
13:54 pankkake fluffypony: http://bitbet.us/propositions/
13:54 assbot BitBet Propositions
13:54 TheNewDeal top one MP to admit being wrong in #b-a
13:55 mircea_popescu <pankkake> and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong << no its not. i always admit it when i'm wrong, it's just im not wrong that often
13:55 fluffypony heh
14:03 TheNewDeal would be interested to see what % of bitbet is made into private bets
14:04 TheNewDeal or are they quite rare?
14:04 mircea_popescu well they're private.
14:05 kakobrekla actually they are public.
14:05 TheNewDeal how so?
14:05 TheNewDeal you can see it, but need a password to bet?
14:05 mircea_popescu quantum
14:05 kakobrekla cause transparency.
14:05 mike_c have their been any?
14:05 TheNewDeal not concerned as much with the why
14:05 mircea_popescu banany
14:05 kakobrekla correct TheNewDeal
14:05 mike_c *there
14:05 mircea_popescu are
14:06 assbot Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HF6ZMY.txt )
14:06 mircea_popescu !b 12
14:06 mircea_popescu bah
14:06 kakobrekla mike_c yes, refused.
14:07 TheNewDeal could I bet both sides at the beginning as well?
14:07 kakobrekla no
14:08 TheNewDeal what!
14:08 kakobrekla im trying to save on the btc addresses!
14:08 kakobrekla you know they are finite, right.
14:08 TheNewDeal yes
14:08 mircea_popescu no they're not
14:08 TheNewDeal can't you reuse?
14:10 kakobrekla depends
14:11 benkay http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // waaaaaaaaaaaaat is this
14:11 assbot Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide?
14:11 TheNewDeal I have accidentally been requesting new addresses when betting the same side at a later time. Didn't realize you could just resend to same
14:11 kakobrekla you can have it either way
14:13 TheNewDeal but back to this private bet. You're saying I couldnt bet both sides at the beginning, then hand out the password to close group of people?
14:14 kakobrekla you can take one side, wait for approval, bet the other side and then hand out the pass
14:15 TheNewDeal ahhh
14:15 TheNewDeal same difference
14:17 mircea_popescu yup
14:17 mircea_popescu !up alex_c
14:18 mircea_popescu anyone interested in my salmon teriyaki recipe ?
14:18 TheNewDeal perhaps. cooked in oven?
14:19 TheNewDeal I'm not confident enough with my fish via grill skills
14:19 mircea_popescu nah silverstone half-wok
14:20 TheNewDeal sure
14:21 dignork benkay: http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // i've seen similar hardware deployed by companies to monitor their employees traffic. Single point of failure. Awesome point to hack.
14:21 assbot Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide?
14:21 Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014 total goals over 158" http://bitbet.us/bet/898/
14:22 Mats_cd03 fucking ssl
14:23 mircea_popescu "Now you can have visibility into all the encrypted SSL traffic on your network—at extremely high performance—so you can inspect it, identify potentially nefarious activities, and feed the intelligence to an ecosystem of security application vendors—all through Blue Coat."
14:23 mircea_popescu herp.
14:24 benkay snake oil?
14:24 asciilifeform ninjaspamz0r is back!? lol
14:25 dignork mircea_popescu: well, they are actually lying, for this to work, they either have to ssl-strip, or plant corporate CA in all their system
14:25 mircea_popescu the latter.
14:25 mircea_popescu which increases the vulnerability of their "security" tremendously
14:26 pankkake corporate CA is the usual trick
14:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5248 @ 0.00085751 = 4.5002 BTC [+] {2}
14:26 pankkake can you even restrict CAs to tlds?
14:27 chetty <mircea_popescu> anyone interested in my salmon teriyaki recipe ?// do tell
14:27 mircea_popescu aite i'll photo document soonish
14:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0299 = 0.4186 BTC [+]
14:34 fluffypony ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you haven't seen it, this is by far the best flopping attempt in recent history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbmnhusvWTc
14:34 assbot Amateur football at its best - YouTube
14:34 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC
14:37 fluffypony something I said?
14:37 fluffypony :-P
14:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 341 @ 0.00038033 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {3}
14:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.03 = 0.39 BTC [+] {3}
14:47 jurov !t m f.mpif
14:47 assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021703 / 0.00021721 / 0.00021725 (5601 shares, 1.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
14:49 davout pankkake: "can you even restrict CAs to tlds?" <<< wat?
14:51 pankkake you could add a CA and have it validate only .mycompany
14:52 TheNewDeal when did mpif start? was it april?
14:53 TheNewDeal looks may
14:54 mike_c started trading in may. it started operating a bit before that.
14:57 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: 12.04 did indeed ship without rsyslog or syslogd, it can produce dmesg but the terminal is of course too short to display the whole thing.
14:58 mircea_popescu o.o
14:58 mircea_popescu so go back to 10.04
14:58 pankkake shift+pageup?
14:59 pankkake no logger? or does upstart have one, like systemd?
14:59 mircea_popescu does it keep a journal for the hdd or dispensed with that too ?
15:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: dmesg | less
15:00 pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-wins-best-virtual-currency-startup-award-europas/
15:00 assbot Bitstamp Wins Best Virtual Currency Startup Award at The Europas
15:00 BingoBoingo I really lacks all of the useful system tools. I'm afraid it might tell me I need to install cat if I try to use it now
15:00 mike_c imagine if they had three cans
15:01 mircea_popescu what's eruopas ?
15:04 kakobrekla jupiters moon?
15:06 mircea_popescu i guess.
15:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23211011 BTC [-]
15:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23211016 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2}
15:28 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I'm telling you with the diff bets you have to consider the externalities.
15:29 TheNewDeal yes the network is quite variable over short term
15:30 davout pankkake: ic
15:31 davout mircea_popescu: lol
15:33 TheNewDeal bingoboing I'm also looking at the short term history for comparison
15:35 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: I'm telling you that Datacenters in the summer aren't pretty. Mix that up with Knc's generally sloppy build quality...
15:35 BingoBoingo fluffypony: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/storm-damage-greatly-improves-name-of-tennessee-car-was-1589411382/+Tom_Ley
15:35 assbot Storm Damage Greatly Improves Name Of Tennessee Car Wash
15:35 TheNewDeal April 29 - May 12 the difficulty increased 10.66 %. Blocks came through on average 542 seconds. To get 3 changes, we need to find blocks at an average of 554 seconds
15:36 kakobrekla TheNewDeal you can always ddos some pools
15:37 TheNewDeal I wouldn't dare attempt something along those lines
15:37 TheNewDeal plus I'm hoping for yes
15:38 kakobrekla <mike_c> imagine if they had three cans < imagine if they could do maff
15:39 TheNewDeal we're nethashing at 89.9 PH, once we pass 91.1 we should be finding faster than 554 s/ block
15:40 fluffypony BingoBoingo: that is a great name, I much prefer it over the original
15:41 BingoBoingo It's always a good time at the Asstime Car wash
15:42 jurov ass time is good time
15:44 mike_c srsly BingoBoingo. those gawker sites are going to rot your brain.
15:44 BingoBoingo mike_c: That's what the Vodka's for. It's a preservative.
15:45 jurov BingoBoingo I gather you want to taxidermize yourself alive?
15:45 BingoBoingo Slowly, hopefully it will take another century.
15:46 jurov http://stuffo.ddmcdn.com/stuffyoushouldknow/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2013/11/roguetaxidermy6.jpg it will end up like this
15:47 mike_c kakobrekla: sometimes shit gets accidentally converted to floats :) maff is hard.
15:47 kakobrekla :)
15:48 fluffypony jurov: what's the problem with that?
15:48 fluffypony I expect to be like a well-matured red wine by the time I die
15:48 fluffypony rich and full of body
15:48 jurov http://stuffo.ddmcdn.com/stuffyoushouldknow/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2013/11/roguetaxidermy23.jpg imma use this for coinbr maintenance page
15:49 jurov or rather 500 errors
15:50 jurov !up belcher
15:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00085874 = 2.9627 BTC [+]
15:51 BingoBoingo The monkeyfish would make a great error message.
15:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00085836 = 5.751 BTC [-] {2}
15:59 jurov http://forum.truecrypt.ch/t/poll-what-name-would-be-best/29 vote for the last :D
15:59 assbot Poll: What name would be best? - TCnext
15:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01856559 = 0.13 BTC [-]
15:59 jurov they forgot cyphermaid/cryptmaid
16:05 fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1z5hnyKfBg
16:05 assbot This Girl Didn't Make Her Point So Well - YouTube
16:05 fluffypony lol
16:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.06843266 = 17.1082 BTC [-] {19}
16:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2050 @ 0.00006881 = 0.1411 BTC [+] {2}
16:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2952 @ 0.00005895 = 0.174 BTC [-] {8}
16:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11310 @ 0.00085506 = 9.6707 BTC [-] {2}
16:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5664 @ 0.00085432 = 4.8389 BTC [-]
16:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 669 @ 0.00036106 = 0.2415 BTC [-] {3}
16:30 Mats_cd03 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/iraqi-city-tikrit-falls-isil-fighters-2014611135333576799.html
16:30 assbot Iraq city of Tikrit falls to ISIL fighters - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
16:33 Mats_cd03 opec should reconsider this morning's news
16:34 mike_c bitbet: ISIL takes baghdad
16:41 BingoBoingo Oh, a .net .split
16:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029 = 0.116 BTC [-]
16:50 BingoBoingo http://www.coindesk.com/expresscoin-launches-become-coinbase-unbanked/
16:50 assbot Expresscoin Launches to Become Coinbase for the Unbanked - CoinDesk
16:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: coinbase for the unbanked << when do we get mazerati for the unmazeratied?
16:51 TheNewDeal oooh dogecoin as well
16:52 TheNewDeal I think the more avenues where btc/doge can be traded, the lower doge/btc will become
16:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Probably next week. I'll just need some fiberglass to duct tape to this lawnmower.
16:52 TheNewDeal actually thats backwards
16:53 TheNewDeal it will cost more doge to get one btc the more exchanges trade
16:54 benkay mircea_popescu: i was under the impression the reds died out under a disease barrage from the early western explorers, far before the smallpox blankets.
16:55 BingoBoingo http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer#r=hp-lst
16:55 assbot With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek
16:56 jborkl <asciilifeform> It was a DDOS attack it went up to 750k kpbs for a few hours this morning then stopped
16:57 jborkl not really sure why though, not like it would make any difference?
17:00 Mats_cd03 some trivia: a lord jeffrey is responsible for the biological warfare against the reds, and today he has a bustling college town as his namesake
17:01 benkay top shelf old mate
17:01 jborkl ;;tldr mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time
17:01 gribble Error: "tldr" is not a valid command.
17:01 jborkl damnit what is it again?
17:02 mike_c later tell ?
17:02 Mats_cd03 wot wot
17:06 jborkl ;;later tell mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time
17:06 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:06 jborkl thank you mike_c
17:12 fluffypony http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/11/microsoft_poised_to_take_web_server_crown_from_apache/
17:12 assbot Microsoft poised to take Web server crown from Apache The Register
17:20 mircea_popescu benkay so ?
17:22 BingoBoingo %book
17:22 atcbot 20k@265 20k@264 16k@260 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
17:22 benkay "Black population in Africa will become extinct under pressure from (legitimate) Chinese economic interest much in the way Red population in North America became extinct under pressure from (legitimate) European economic interest."
17:22 benkay sounds like less of an economic pressure and more of an environmental pressure. new predators in the environment.
17:23 benkay mircea_popescu:
17:24 mircea_popescu it wasn't linguistic pressure
17:24 mircea_popescu so it was economical
17:24 mircea_popescu there's not a third.
17:28 Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: booking points over 3110" http://bitbet.us/bet/899/
17:29 benkay gotcha.
17:29 benkay politics or economics.
17:30 benkay why economics over thermodynamics?
17:30 mircea_popescu but i mean what's the difference
17:30 jborkl I rarely go to the forums anymore, but I guess all the actm peeps finally figured out it was a scam?
17:30 benkay i guess its just politics :D
17:31 mircea_popescu jborkl nah.
17:31 mircea_popescu !up Radi777
17:32 mike_c !t h am1
17:32 assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.23211010 / 0.24845358 / 0.26100000 (47 shares, 11.67731831 BTC), 7D: 0.19301000 / 0.26587505 / 0.32900000 (1160 shares, 308.41505284 BTC), 30D: 0.11000000 / 0.29371218 / 0.50990000 (4694 shares, 1378.68495324 BTC)
17:32 Radi777 hey guys :)
17:32 mircea_popescu ello
17:32 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
17:32 gribble Current Blocks: 305315 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1116 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 18 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12282280955.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.4718
17:34 jborkl I tried reading the actm thread and gave up,
17:36 Mats_cd03 brain hemorrhaging?
17:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 47 @ 0.0245 = 1.1515 BTC [-]
17:51 Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: total red cards 18 or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/900/
17:56 Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins" http://bitbet.us/bet/901/
18:00 fluffypony http://motherboard.vice.com/read/warren-buffetts-30-billion-wager-on-clean-energy-is-one-of-his-safest-bets-yet
18:00 assbot Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard
18:00 fluffypony someone should just tell him about BitBet
18:02 jurov is either side of that bitbet safe?
18:04 Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: penalty kick success rate over 60%" http://bitbet.us/bet/902/
18:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 94 @ 0.02392752 = 2.2492 BTC [-] {16}
18:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06999993 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2}
18:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.03045714 = 1.066 BTC [+] {2}
18:08 Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: total USA goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/903/
18:10 mircea_popescu <assbot> Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard << it's very safe.
18:10 Bet created: "Blue Jays Flying High At All-Star Break" http://bitbet.us/bet/904/
18:10 mircea_popescu we all know it's gonna lose, not much dispute.
18:11 jurov how so?
18:12 jurov expecting oil price to keep climbing in comparison to renewables is pretty safe assumption
18:12 Bet created: "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/
18:14 Bet created: "Neymar Wins Golden Ball" http://bitbet.us/bet/906/
18:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01859916 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {2}
18:23 mircea_popescu the only reason "renewables" seem economical atm is because govt picks up 80% of the tab.
18:24 mircea_popescu govt won't be able to keep picking up any of the tab in the future,
18:24 mircea_popescu but won't allow you to divest either.
18:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00085853 = 2.6614 BTC [+] {2}
18:24 mircea_popescu from a business perspective, renewables = suicide.
18:26 jurov fossils are heavily subsidised, either
18:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
18:27 mike_c BingoBoingo, you still want to sell some no?
18:29 jurov plus, if musk succeeds to get prices of batteries down
18:29 mircea_popescu fossils are not subsidised, fossils are taxed
18:29 jurov .... but dunno i know, maybe it's all just a bubble
18:29 mircea_popescu about the same 80%
18:29 mircea_popescu so currently, the situation is that in the marketplace, a kilo of beef costs 11 and a kilo of pork costs 13
18:29 mircea_popescu except, the beef costs 48 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 37 loss to the government
18:30 mircea_popescu whereas pork costs 3 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 10 gain to the government.
18:30 mircea_popescu the idea that stuff costing 50 will be able to compete with stuff costing 3 once the govt is out of the picture is nutty
18:30 jurov now the earth gas supplied to europe is which one?
18:31 mircea_popescu you mean methane ? ch4?
18:31 jurov here only household gas is subsidised
18:31 mircea_popescu if you mean natural gas, it's pork.
18:31 jurov industrial usage is not
18:32 jurov how it is a gain to the govt? slovak one, not russian
18:32 mircea_popescu nobody cares about slovak one :)
18:32 mircea_popescu the us (and eu) are being crushed atm because they're paying the 37, whereas russia, saudi arabia etc are pocketing the 10
18:33 jurov and solar/wind is expensive to install, not to produce
18:34 BingoBoingo mike_c: I'd be amenable to selling up to half my bitcoin's stake in that bet.
18:34 jurov the expectation is for the 48 to get down, and for 3 to get up
18:35 mike_c BingoBoingo: this is b39, right?
18:35 jurov i really don't know if it's realistic, but i don't think buffett haven't done any math around it
18:35 mircea_popescu jurov install and maintain.
18:35 BingoBoingo mike_c: Indeed it is.
18:36 mircea_popescu jurov i think he's done plenty of math. it goes like this : "im too old to get it up anymore. will be dead soon anyway. who the fuck cares."
18:36 mike_c and you are offering it at cost, yes? half for 0.5?
18:37 BingoBoingo mike_c: I'm amenable to offering it at a discount, i.e. selling the 0.5 stake for less than 0.5 BTC.
18:37 jurov afaik maintenance is the part that is currently heavily subsidized for fossils
18:37 mircea_popescu you two are gonna write a gpg contract ?
18:37 mike_c what fun is that. i'll take it at cost.
18:37 mircea_popescu this is getting excited.
18:38 BingoBoingo mike_c: Sold.
18:38 mike_c k, send addr sometime and i will send payment
18:39 BingoBoingo mike_c: The payout address for that bet works 1PzuSnKaJsKwgyAqb6sqc5nsw55v2MnHoz
18:39 mike_c ok. i'm going to send from a hot wallet, so don't send my winnings back there :)
18:39 mike_c er, shared wallet
18:40 BingoBoingo Alright. When summer cooks the miners and its time to pay you I'll ask for an address.
18:41 BingoBoingo ;;later tell TheNewDeal I'm afraid I'm out of 'No' stake to sell without losing my excitement.
18:41 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:41 TheNewDeal haha mkya
18:41 TheNewDeal mkay
18:41 kakobrekla should be an auction or smth
18:43 BingoBoingo Well, it kind of was.
18:43 jurov well, stockholm forecast is up to balmy 24C .. not something to fry knc datacenter
18:44 jurov ove next week
18:44 jurov where's asicminer housed?
18:45 BingoBoingo Well, knc ships miners out to other people doesn't it? I think Asicminer is somewhere costal south China.
18:45 jurov looks like it's hongkong
18:45 jurov 33C in Sunday, otherwise less
18:46 jurov just picked most concentrated spots
18:47 BingoBoingo I'm also considering less concentrated spots, like the Hillbillies in Texas and the MiddleWest whose data center is their garage.
18:48 kakobrekla aynone took a look at this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=647457.0;topicseen
18:48 assbot bitsquare.io - The P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange
18:48 jurov how many asics are there?
18:48 jurov in hillbillies'garages?
18:49 jurov pool ddos will have much higher effect imo
18:49 BingoBoingo Well does Slaughter actually have a datacenter?
18:49 BingoBoingo I doubt it, but I bet he has a garage.
18:50 jurov how many % actm has?
18:50 BingoBoingo No idea, but there's a bunch of forum tards and such out there...
18:51 jurov he's using forum tards to generate hashrate?
18:51 BingoBoingo I think so.
18:53 BingoBoingo Thank you mike_c
18:53 mike_c no thank you! we'll be the first ever to make money betting against difficulty :)
18:53 jurov mike_c rly?
18:53 mike_c i think we'll lose, but i like the odds now.
18:54 mike_c jurov: first best greatest
18:54 jurov iDiff-* was introduced when? a year ago?
18:54 mike_c nobody has made money on idiffs betting against difficulty, that's for sure.
18:54 jurov i did
18:54 mike_c no way. they've all been capped?
18:55 jurov till tat + asics came around
18:55 BingoBoingo lol
18:55 jurov to be precise, i did not bet against difficulty, too. just sold them at sufficiently high price
18:56 TheNewDeal actually I made money betting no for april http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/ and may http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/
18:56 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April :: 9.83 B (5%) on Yes, 180.55 B (95%) on No | closed 2 months 3 weeks ago
18:56 assbot BitBet - May I suggest 9B difficulty? :: 6.44 B (8%) on Yes, 72.03 B (92%) on No | closed 1 month 2 weeks ago
18:56 mike_c fine, we won't be the first. but still best greatest.
18:57 jurov on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing?
18:57 BingoBoingo !mpif
18:57 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021649 BTC (Total: 433.00 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
18:57 TheNewDeal 1K4Fs has virtually 60% of the no
18:58 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: That's mircea_popescu
18:58 TheNewDeal indeed
18:58 BingoBoingo It helps to know the other bettors
19:05 BingoBoingo ;;tslb
19:05 gribble Time since last block: 11 minutes and 24 seconds
19:08 mircea_popescu <jurov> on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing? << too risky
19:08 TheNewDeal too frisky?!
19:09 BingoBoingo Altcoin, Less Risky than Idiff
19:09 TheNewDeal Altcoin makes the cut, but idiff is too frisky?
19:10 mircea_popescu yeah.
19:10 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1XARHGT.txt )
19:10 BingoBoingo !b 5
19:10 mircea_popescu altcoin is pretty much risk free.
19:11 TheNewDeal on my screen, it shows my message before
19:12 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: That's because your screen plays favorites
19:12 BingoBoingo ;;rate TheNewDeal's screen -1 Biased
19:12 gribble Error: 'screen' is not a valid integer.
19:12 TheNewDeal hahaha
19:13 kakobrekla altcoin can only lose 200 satoshi.
19:13 BingoBoingo %ticker
19:13 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 250 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
19:13 kakobrekla +-
19:13 mike_c 57 down, 143 to go
19:14 BingoBoingo I hope ATC crashes to Doge prices for a while.
19:14 kakobrekla how much is doge
19:14 mike_c not with this nethash
19:14 mike_c it's at like 6 th/s
19:15 mircea_popescu doge is what, 50 by now ?
19:15 BingoBoingo %diff
19:15 kakobrekla which?
19:15 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 502280.32 in 1204 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -29.79
19:15 mike_c kakobrekla: atc.
19:15 kakobrekla and dropping
19:15 mike_c not exactly
19:15 kakobrekla just approximatley?
19:15 mike_c nethash was at 5 th/s. then it plummetted to 1 th/s after last diff change.
19:15 BingoBoingo Doge is about 68 satoshis
19:15 mike_c that lasted a bit
19:16 mike_c and now it's at 6 th/s
19:16 kakobrekla O_o
19:16 kakobrekla someone hopping the diff?
19:16 Apocalyptic yeah unbalanced rent some hashpower
19:16 mike_c two parties involved. pool-hoppers, and then unbalanced trying to screw the pool hoppers.
19:16 Apocalyptic to avoid these hoppers
19:16 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> and dropping << nah was -80% a coupla days ago
19:17 kakobrekla so its dropping less :p
19:17 mike_c well diff is :) but nethash isn't
19:18 kakobrekla yeah nethash is just being hopped
19:19 mike_c yeah. it's a bit of a mess. but such is the life of a young altcoin.
19:19 kakobrekla the way of the road.
19:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0233 = 0.233 BTC [-]
19:29 benkay <zrobo> cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 65 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0004. 24 hr volume: 944 megadoge
19:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.01902 = 0.1712 BTC [+]
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20:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00085519 = 4.8746 BTC [-]
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20:48 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
20:48 gribble Current Blocks: 305334 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1097 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12251801307.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.21254
20:50 mircea_popescu damn it's tight.
20:50 mircea_popescu ;;calc 14 / 1.1756551916903952
20:50 gribble 11.9082534564
20:50 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1.19 ** (1/3)
20:50 gribble 1.05969850212
20:50 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1.19 ** (1/2)
20:50 gribble 1.09087121146
20:51 BingoBoingo I really don't think we are making it to a third adjustment.
20:51 mircea_popescu 33 days, of which a week here
20:51 mircea_popescu so 26. nope. it ain't happening.
20:52 BingoBoingo The trend says yes, but the externalities say no.
20:53 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/pbz2vxh.jpg
20:53 BingoBoingo lol, is that Dogecoin trying to build some interest?
20:54 mircea_popescu soon.
20:54 BingoBoingo Anyone ever front you that billion Doge to take a short position?
20:55 mircea_popescu notrly.
20:56 mircea_popescu in spite of all the pretense as to "exchanges" and tips and whatnot, it'd seem 99%+ of all doges are actually held by the admin group
20:56 mircea_popescu not much of a currency in any sense.
20:57 mircea_popescu !up pgp
20:58 asciilifeform re: doge - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#713298
20:58 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
20:58 asciilifeform (it was pushed as 'only for the lulz', note)
21:00 mircea_popescu i guess so
21:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00085428 = 13.1986 BTC [-] {3}
21:03 benkay hey pgp!
21:03 benkay ;;gettrust pgp
21:03 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user pgp: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=pgp | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pgp | Rated since: never
21:04 benkay huh check out that registration date
21:07 TheNewDeal info pgp
21:08 * asciilifeform prodded colleague to reg with gribble. he digs out pgp key from... 1992.
21:08 Apocalyptic I bet it's sub 1024 bit
21:09 asciilifeform 1024 if i recall.
21:22 asciilifeform 'The new, thicker copper layer did resolve the heat build up from the current flow. Temp has been reduced by 20C with the new boards.' (from jborkl, quoting bfl co. lamenting its troubles.)
21:22 asciilifeform ^ what happens to folks who refuse to do arithmetic before going into production
21:22 asciilifeform imagine a manufacturer of, say, ups, or tv, whatnot, posting an update like this.
21:23 asciilifeform why this never happens?
21:23 kakobrekla also preorders
21:23 asciilifeform and this.
21:24 asciilifeform i can almost understand taking preorders if you're a broke, ragged dervish. but these folks have already exited that stage.
21:24 asciilifeform likewise, luring people into preorders to fund a chip fab project almost makes sense. but boards?
21:26 kakobrekla yea but risk on a chip is far greater
21:26 asciilifeform i suspect that: when they tape out a dud asic, they simply... take preorders longer.
21:27 asciilifeform !up pgp
21:27 kakobrekla dunno then why silicon valley isnt silicon anymore.
21:28 asciilifeform because usa.
21:30 * asciilifeform finds u.s. uni professors hotlinking to images on his site; tempted to replace with goatse
21:31 Apocalyptic heh
21:34 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/snowdenbot-wasnt-just-for-ted-now-lives-in-his-aclu-lawyers-office/
21:34 assbot Snowdenbot wasnt just for TED, now lives in his ACLU lawyers office | Ars Technica
21:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC
21:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wtf is the point?
21:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Some people instead of just doing IRC get a small car instead?
21:44 asciilifeform afaik, these 'robots' were originally intended for 'micromanagement' types to roll around a factory floor, pointing remote-controlled laser pointer at lazy monkeys, mouthing obscenities through speaker
21:47 BingoBoingo It still isn't too late for that.
21:47 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: from your link: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/us-marshals-step-in-thwart-efforts-to-learn-about-cell-tracking-devices
21:47 assbot US Marshals step in, thwart efforts to learn about cell tracking devices | Ars Technica
21:47 asciilifeform ^ turd concerns the use of a well-known mitm gizmo for cellular
21:48 asciilifeform (consumer pnohes make no effort to authenticate - whatsoever - so this is trivial)
21:48 BingoBoingo Yeah. Amazing how records request can have problems.
21:48 asciilifeform the interesting thing is that there is theoretically no need for such a thing, considering that towers are more or less owned by usg
21:49 BingoBoingo Indeed
21:52 asciilifeform so why mitm? answer: manufacture of guilt.
21:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00085407 = 29.9779 BTC [-]
21:53 asciilifeform the next 'new york death ray' idiot won't play ball? won't make the necessary phone call? now it can be made... for him.
21:55 asciilifeform this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs
21:55 asciilifeform if you can already read, why mitm? answer: for - writing.
21:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21522 @ 0.00085677 = 18.4394 BTC [+] {3}
21:59 asciilifeform in other news: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jun/04/major-terrorism-trial-secret-first-time-legal-history
21:59 assbot Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com
22:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00086204 = 5.6464 BTC [+] {2}
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22:28 Blazedout419 omg so who is going to buy into sha on havelock?
22:28 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> imagine a manufacturer of, say, ups, or tv, whatnot, posting an update like this. << this is a 2012 comment.
22:28 mircea_popescu you're not meta enough by now
22:31 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs << not that simple.
22:31 mircea_popescu it had no access to self-signed certs.
22:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 50 @ 0.042 = 2.1 BTC
22:35 mircea_popescu http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jun/04/major-terrorism-trial-secret-first-time-legal-history << re this pile of lol
22:35 assbot Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com
22:36 mircea_popescu on one hand, the legal principle that dorks a la mari reid & her crew may be kept secret will logically extend to defendants, too.
22:36 mircea_popescu now any terrorist and any tax evader has good title to refuse any sort of information sharing, much like the prosecutor's own men do.
22:36 mircea_popescu moreover, they have very little option in the matter, as their safety strictly depends on this sort of secrecy.
22:37 mircea_popescu basically, technology has already made the state impossible, just at the time bitcoin showed up but mostly unrelated to it.
22:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.26079984 = 1.304 BTC [+] {2}
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23:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: was gonna answer 'but nobody used self-signed certs' - then remembered having done so personally at one point
23:06 mircea_popescu plentyof people do.
23:12 Mats_cd03 asciilifeform sees monsters in the shadows
23:12 Mats_cd03 i dunno if i can agree
23:13 * asciilifeform also sees monsters under floodlight
23:13 Mats_cd03 it could be much more mundane
23:13 Mats_cd03 like it costs the telcos money to staff people responding to LEO requests for access
23:13 Mats_cd03 and mitm is just simpler in execution
23:14 asciilifeform probably exactly this appears on the grant applications, yes.
23:14 Mats_cd03 lol
23:15 asciilifeform incidentally, one can trivially bake the cellular mitm gizmo from consumer hardware. (exercise for alert reader)
23:16 Mats_cd03 that sounds interesting, go on
23:16 asciilifeform ;;google verizon network extender hack
23:16 gribble It's a Cinch for Hackers to Break Into Your Verizon Network - Gizmodo: <http://gizmodo.com/its-a-cinch-for-hackers-to-break-into-your-verizon-netw-790461949>; How To Compete With NSA By Hacking a Verizon Network Extender ...: <http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/07/16/1343238/how-to-compete-with-nsa-by-hacking-a-verizon-network-extender>; DailyTech - Hackers Show Regular (1 more message)
23:17 Mats_cd03 i was under the impression the equipment for this kind of thing was approaching <$1000
23:17 mircea_popescu 10 years ago
23:17 Mats_cd03 never looked into it
23:17 asciilifeform ^ vendor declared victory after disabling easy firmware update mechanism on the gadget. board still has jtag port, removable flash, etc.
23:17 asciilifeform runs linux!
23:18 asciilifeform used to be that it took actual sweat to source 'miniature tower' radio components
23:19 Mats_cd03 o, but patched, hrm
23:19 asciilifeform patch is a joke
23:19 asciilifeform as described above
23:19 Mats_cd03 probably
23:19 asciilifeform not probably - certainly
23:19 asciilifeform if i like, i desolder the rom and introduce mine.
23:20 asciilifeform this is a ~$300 gizmo you can buy - retail
23:20 asciilifeform it sits in your house, you can mutilate it at your pleasure
23:20 asciilifeform other u.s. telcos have similar products
23:20 Mats_cd03 how interesting
23:20 Mats_cd03 do you have a link
23:20 mircea_popescu http://giant.gfycat.com/InsidiousIncredibleAlpinegoat.gif
23:21 asciilifeform but this isn't particularly interesting. the interesting part is that everything people speak of as 'inseekoore!' re: cellular comms, was baked in very deliberately - and publicly - at the start.
23:21 asciilifeform e.g. the toy crypto of gsm
23:22 Mats_cd03 i generally presume incompetence before malice
23:22 asciilifeform ;;google A5/1
23:22 gribble A5/1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/1>; A5/2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/2>; Animation of A5/1 cipher - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgZAI3DdUA4>
23:24 Mats_cd03 how interesting
23:29 asciilifeform before the telco 'network extender' gizmos were sold (incidentally, a scam - the telco still charges for minutes despite using the chump's own local wired bandwidth!) mitm-ing was demonstrated using 'software defined radio' (inexpensive board, does exactly what is printed on the crate)
23:31 dub femtocells, meh you get to use your handset
23:31 asciilifeform yeah, pay per minute for the privilege of using own hardware.
23:32 asciilifeform great deal.
23:32 dub thats up to provider
23:32 asciilifeform all u.s. providers, last i checked, charged exactly the same on femtocell.
23:32 Mats_cd03 neat, ill have something else i can do with the device im ordering
23:32 Mats_cd03 http://hakshop.myshopify.com/collections/gadgets/products/hackrf
23:33 assbot HakShop — HackRF Pre-Order
23:33 dub well if you're counting minutes on your mobile, im sorry
23:33 Mats_cd03 asciilifeform is probably going to tell me im getting ripped off
23:33 dub nobody has a hardline these days so its a valid offering
23:34 asciilifeform for non-u.s. folks - 'landline' phone is poison here, because it is considered fair game for spam (unlike cell)
23:34 asciilifeform so they're slowly going extinct
23:34 * asciilifeform never had own landline in entire adult life
23:34 Mats_cd03 i still get fucking spam
23:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform thye're not so considered in europe but idem gohing extinct
23:34 Mats_cd03 sucks to suck
23:35 dub not so slowly tbh
23:35 Mats_cd03 wait 20 years
23:35 asciilifeform i can get pseudo-landline (tack-on to fiber terminal) for around 10 usd / mo. but... why?
23:35 mircea_popescu i had my own landline. it wasn't particularly useful
23:35 dub I have pots signal on my dsl line but I couldnt tell you the number
23:36 mircea_popescu (trivial to tap too. if you think gsm cypher is bad, try headset-and-hairpins)
23:36 Mats_cd03 poor cell tower coverage, necessary to have a working phone in an emergency (e.g. elderly person), zombie apocalypse, etc
23:37 mircea_popescu internet should be wired, phone wireless.
23:37 asciilifeform zombie apocalypse with fiber service, right
23:38 Mats_cd03 i suppose i should scale it back to natural disaster
23:38 dub the emergency service arguemtn for pots is fast becomming irrelevant as teh network becomes less resilient
23:39 Mats_cd03 and how is it becoming less resilient
23:39 asciilifeform the old pots lines are gone where i live.
23:39 asciilifeform see:
23:39 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014&bots=true#656208
23:39 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
23:39 dub you're not wired back to a full CO anymore and the cabinet has no better battery than a cell tower
23:40 asciilifeform i've more battery in here than in the cabinets. sad.
23:40 * dub sheds a tear for his DMS100 days
23:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00086895 = 19.8555 BTC [+]
23:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086895 = 7.9943 BTC [+]
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