#trilema | 2014-06-24

Any interesting C programming generally is going to mean moving from mac os to A/UX which... means finding a suitable Mac (68030 based generally) and a hard drive of sufficent capacity

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I've never really done much with C though, haven't done anything with C on an ancient Mac. Problems that tend to push me to finally string together some code tend to be further up the stack.

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One dilema I ponder on sometimes is whether the beauty of the ancient macs was due to the talent of the developers, or due to the beauty of 68k assembly.

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constraints.

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no space for a multi-GB turd.

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Comments from the loper blog now make me think of http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/TempleOS.html when I think of successors to the ancient Mac OS legacy

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The Temple Operating System

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mew

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moiety: latest cat count on street == 17.

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o.O

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make it 16 asciilifeform .. go on, you know you want to

00:17

i just heard about this doge TMing business, and i can't stop laughing

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With a sufficient monetary surplus I think an interesting project would be, introducing feral cats to obesity

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moiety volunteers as a feeder

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BingoBoingo: doesn't work - they multiply

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asciilifeform: That's the interesting problem

00:19

win-win? multiple barrel-cats

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what if they got too fat to mate?

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The less interesting challenge is they migrate.

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and the only ones that could migrate were those uphill that could roll

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moiety: But the challenge it introduces is soon you have ALL the feral cats to feed

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all teh kittehs - challenge accepted

00:23

someone in the extended family has a pregnant cat.. i may be forced to rehome a small being shortly

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Of course you the decreases the value of feral cats. Useful ferals like useful farm cats need to catch vermin

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moiety: From your ghetto "BingoB you you need meet chi so the two of you can talk about mauls for days"

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christ, who's been bothering you? obviously don't know us that well lol

00:25

moiety: I just popped on, was I think you should just unilaterally switch the site to altcoin and change the mascots to Manuls

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moiety: a question that's been bugging me for years: are there actually distinct species (in the biologist's sense) of cat.

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afaik every hybrid that's ever been attempted in earnest - worked.

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i miss btc .. this crowd is making me lose sanity/... oh was that the beep i heard?

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asciilifeform: That is the very interesting question. I dunno if cats meaningfully have "species"

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asciilifeform: yes, i believe so. like the bobcat we were discussing. or manuls. they are fundementally different from others.. eg manuls have round pupils

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Except maybe the cheetah with it's canid features. Might not hybridize well.

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moiety: sure, they look quite different. but normally 'species' is defined as a set of individuals which can interbreed.

00:28

pretty much every 'felis' hybrid has been tried, afaik, and worked

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likewise panthera

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(tiglon, jiger, etc)

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leopon.

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examples of felis - 'savannah cat' (domesticus + african serval)

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ah.. then yeah, not that i know of either

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search, youtube is full of hybrid felis

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then the '$64k question' - can we bridge felis and panthera?

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i.e. does there exist 'bridge cat'

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a felis that can breed with some panthera

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asciilifeform: your opinion on word sound.... for my site (eventually) felidae or felinae sound better to you?

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i think with felis and panthera we come into a size issue?

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afaik felidae is standard

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size issue << this is for the 'farmer' to solve via the usual means (artificial insemination)

00:32

Headline "Tomcat behind highway rest stop knocks up Zoo lioness"

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BingoBoingo: ah yes thats the mid-sex-change dramatis lilyius. a testing pillar of "my ghetto"

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04599644 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2}

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asciilifeform can't seem to find his copy of 'felid hybrids' (great 1970s monograph)

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^ claimed a successful 'house lynx'

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when they do hybrid, they do seem to turn out just smaller versions of the bigger species

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moiety: Not always smaller... The main coon is no longer the largest "domestic" cat

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who holds the record?

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asciilifeform almost expects to hear 'longcat'

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i do believe it is main coons for the record. they /are/ gigantic

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no longer?

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what is now

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;;google savannah cat

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Savannah cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah_cat>; Savannahs For Sale Savannah Cats For Sale - A1 Savannahs: <http://www.a1savannahs.com/savannahs.htm>; A Beautiful Relationship - Savannah Cat MAGIC and Andreas Stucki ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuiKbnA3w0Q>

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so my dream of a giant manul is not unthinkable?

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i shall ride the shops on it

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to the *

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Not all savannah cats are huge, but in the later generations they get Big

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some years ago, a savannah cat escaped in my town, and caused idiots to panic

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(they thought it was man-eating)

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i'd be camping outside with a camera

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It probably should have been if they paniced like that

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(as i recall, savannah cat is bred in only a few places, and sells for ~$20k each)

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moiety: You first challenge probably is "manul with robust immune system"

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asciilifeform: give it another two decades, and you'll find them among the other ferals

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BingoBoingo: not so sure about this. ferals tend to be small - probably adaptive, considering the food supply

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asciilifeform: People don't have small dogs in your neighborhood?

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lol

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true they are so fragile D;

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So a friend adopted a kitten, looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cat-MaineCoon-Cookie.png hasn't stopped growing yet. I'm wondering when to break the news...

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File:Cat-MaineCoon-Cookie.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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just at any point before they need both arms to pick it up BB

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He worries that it is getting "fat" but... It grows in every direction.

00:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 394 @ 0.04213652 = 16.6018 BTC [-] {25}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00078709 = 7.3986 BTC [-]

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Including "mouth span"

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cats don't seem to grow like dogs either. as in reaching a certain size at a certain age and stopping. mine have kept growing (albeit slowly) until mid-age

00:58

Despite Barricellis pioneering experiments, barely anyone remembers him. I have not heard of him to tell you the truth, says Mark Bedau, professor of humanities and philosophy at Reed College and editor of the journal Artificial Life. I probably know more about the history than most in the field and Im not aware of him. http://nautil.us/issue/14/mutation/meet-the-father-of-digital-life

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Meet the Father of Digital Life - Issue 14: Mutation - Nautilus

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!up cowloon

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moiety: That's true

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BingoBoingo: i can see your friend sitting looking at this giant wondering if it will ever stop lol

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hello cowloon

01:05

http://sysmagazine.com/posts/217799/ "fleshstore"

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How to reduce costs by the virtual data-processing center by means of flesh-store USB IT daily blog, news, magazine, technologies

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.20485992 = 2.0486 BTC [-] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.03995847 = 1.9979 BTC [-] {6}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.03954732 = 1.1864 BTC [-] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.03637586 = 0.7275 BTC [-] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.03501923 = 1.821 BTC [-] {7}

01:23

%book

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35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 33k@177 750k@175 216k@160

01:33

So... GNU Gnash seems to have improved quite a bit these past couple weeks.

01:37

i didn't even know there was such a thing, was just reading about it. how has it improved?

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moiety: It now works with Hulu

01:50

BingoBoingo not that familiar, no. besides, it shoul;dn't really be seaside weather.

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Ah, hail's the thing that happens here at least annually and depresses motor vehicle prices

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BingoBoingo: you get the weirdest weather i have ever heard of

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shithole of the world :D

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moiety: I though this was just standard for not living on an Island

01:57

BingoBoingo i was born in a place where wind over 50mph was newsworthy

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i thought that was uk mircea_popescu? or can't we even excel at that now?!

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moiety world can have mu;tiple assholes i guess

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sub 100mph doesn't really make the news unless it spins

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i have been searching for the least windy place to live

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Wind isn't so bad, it is cleasing.

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Gives the trees character!

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Now flooding, that never happpens without making a mess.

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morning frendz

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fluffypony: penguirker better light up!

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BingoBoingo: at Frankfurt, only flying to Estonia in an hour

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the conference only starts on Thursday

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runs till Sunday

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%book

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35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 33k@177 750k@175 216k@160

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%book

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35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 33k@177 750k@175 216k@160

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%diff

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[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 445034.21 in 9 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.79

02:13

they are giving us all these different little bins for different recycling here.. in scotland.. they will just blow about ... into things... causing damage... unsure i can take the stress

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%book

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35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 1M@199 33k@177 750k@175

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%diff

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[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 444380.80 in 8 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.88

02:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18160 @ 0.00078668 = 14.2861 BTC [-] {2}

02:29

Next ATC statement already more interesting than last, how interesting can it get?

02:36

!jd

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Just-Dice stat: 19098 BTC profit, 18.4k BTC invested, 1269.21 mio bets, 5.32 mio BTC wagered

02:36

!jd mpif

02:36

Bad JD response.

02:36

!Bad JD

02:48

lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlA_YXDm9bg

02:48

Things you're doing wrong every day: everything. - YouTube

02:49

xmj

fluffypony: do you have wifi on the plane?

02:49

xmj: I had on the flight here, but from FRA to TLN I don't think so

02:54

xmj

yeah, improbable - they usually fly A319 or 320 -without WiFi

02:59

Moore's Law http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/06/supercomputer-slowdown-worlds-fastest-system-sees-no-new-challengers/

02:59

Supercomputer slowdown: Worlds fastest system sees no new challengers | Ars Technica

03:00

hum, strong bids on x-bt

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Apocalyptic: Looks like it

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%diff

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[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 444380.80 in 8 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.88

03:04

Might explain why

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indeed, everyone expecting the hoppers' selloff most likely

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I've notice it has been a while since anyone sold into a bid

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;;bc,stats

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Bet placed: 1.00099999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.16299681 BTC. Current weight: 5,080.

03:25

Hashpower is the worst

~ 16 minutes ~

03:42

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/23/josie-cunningham-gets-6000-taxpayer-taxi-rides-_n_5520892.html

03:42

Josie Cunningham Gets 6,000 Of Taxpayer Funded Taxi Rides A Year

03:42

why don't they buy her a car

03:47

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.04099999 = 0.943 BTC [+]

03:54

punkman: Parking is a pain

04:04

http://www.economist.com/node/21603828

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GOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLL! | The Economist

~ 18 minutes ~

04:23

punkman: Are you sure they are giving her Botox and not MTPT?

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Sorry, MPTP...

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BingoBoingo imagines a version of Jason Statham movie crank aligned to resent clinical knowledge. Statham poisoned with MPTP and must combat parkinsons with Selegeline, Amphetamines, and action Movie situations

04:29

is it that good writers don't wanna go to hollywood, or is it that the guild beats them up and deports them when they do?

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punkman: I really dunno. Occasionally it seems the random mix of writers hollywood gathers occasionally develops a concept well.

04:42

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.04099937 = 1.64 BTC [+] {2}

04:43

BingoBoingo, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/23/student-gets-trapped-in-vagina_n_5522066.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

04:43

Student Gets Trapped In Vagina Sculpture (PHOTOS)

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he does LvCunts too apparently

04:43

Whatever happened to that aspiring reincarnation of Carl Sagan

04:43

Apocalyptic: Lube is everything

04:48

from comments: "Should be sentenced to serve six months hard labia."

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this is an actual fetish btw

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brb off to post office, will avoid any large vaginas

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lol

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There is nothing wrong with a vagina that can create a large space.

05:04

All of them do that

05:11

http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/23/184252/the-bursting-social-media-advertising-bubble

05:11

The Bursting Social Media Advertising Bubble - Slashdot

05:12

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/06/wikipedia_s_bureaucracy_problem_and_how_to_fix_it.html

05:12

Wikipedia’s bureaucracy problem and how to fix it.

~ 40 minutes ~

05:52

https://nest.com/works-with-nest/

05:52

Works with Nest. | Nest

05:53

!up AlexWkz

05:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.20507803 = 1.4355 BTC [-] {5}

05:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [-] {2}

06:01

mew anyone around for a bit of advice?

06:06

http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/06/07/the-vanished-grandeur-accounting/3zcbRBoPDNIryWyNYNMvbO/story.html

06:06

The vanished grandeur of accounting - Ideas - The Boston Globe

06:06

moiety: Aroud, writing a blog post

06:07

I have all kinds of bad advice

06:08

post office is arguing with me. to send batteries internationally, they need to be attached to the device. an external mac battery is fine isn't it... because it IS the device, right?

06:09

just go to another post office and tell them it's an external disk

06:09

moiety: Wire it to a Blinkenlight and have it turned off.

06:12

punkman, only got one here. i think i'll just go shout at them a bit

06:12

why'd you tell them it's a battery?

06:12

BingoBoingo: cus of packaging, i cant attach it to anything. but the batteries are contained inside the thing, just like it would be if it were in a laptop already

06:13

because you have to declare it and its not my battery to get confiscated punkman

06:13

moiety: Use electrical tape.

06:13

Make it a single thing and ship it as an art piece

06:14

this is why I hate to receive/send stuff internionally

06:14

and so many things get "lost"

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oh god don't say that pankkake

06:15

things being lost has been quite rare for me, broken in transit though...

06:22

I've never had trouble shipping anywhere.

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im not worried about it breaking, its in the original packaging it was sent to me in

06:24

but i am right in telling them the actual batteries are attached to the device, right?

06:24

cus you can't remove them

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moiety: yeah it's not a battery, it's a complete external power storage device

06:25

just ask for the manager or something, clerks got nothing to do but argue

06:25

the guys head is going to melt when i give him that sentence, i can feel it

06:26

right off to argue withthem again, thanks all, back in a wee bit - again

06:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35023 @ 0.00077913 = 27.2875 BTC [-]

~ 23 minutes ~

06:53

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 110 @ 0.040995 = 4.5095 BTC [+]

07:01

Upcoming post might be /. able

07:02

So, PrimeDice still isn't provably fair... Should I bother calling Stunna on it until he fixes it?

07:05

Or as a competitor, should I leave that to others? hmm...

07:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35979 @ 0.00078249 = 28.1532 BTC [+]

07:08

Namworld: Might as well, you have a vested interest. If not you, who?

07:09

is PrimeDice the biggest dice now?

07:10

lol, people are betting on a non provably fair site?!

07:12

Yes

07:13

why are they so dumb?

07:13

or maybe how

07:13

because you can still change the client seed before each bet, making it provably fair. The problem is if you don't, you can be cheated and it's impossible to get caught.

07:14

A true provably fair system doesn't need EVERYONE to check and doesn't allow any scenario where a cheated bet is impossible to notice.

07:15

The thing is, they give a new server seed for each bet. Guess what they can do if you don't change your client seed before each bet?

07:16

oh, so at least it isn't completely obscure

07:16

There are ways to do it that you can just keep betting and even if the site cheated even only 1 out of 100 bets, there needs only a few people to track a few hundred bets to start discovering unfairness.

07:17

Like provide new server seed only when asked for and reveal old one. Then change client seed.

07:17

Like JD does. Then you can spam bet with the sticky server seed. No problem, no cheating.

07:18

was just trying PrimeDice, this happened twice already: I bet, balance updates, bet doesn't show in My Bets list

07:19

or even better, like Coinroll, use predisclosed hash of daily secret for everyone. Not alterable. Then client seed is BTC deposit tx ID, so we don't provide a default seed for the client.

07:20

Only way to cheat would be altering bet parameters after the fact to keep matching seeds and rolls, which is completly noticable if even a few users tracks their bets.

07:21

I'm saying PrimeDice implementation is poor. They could be cheating right now, it would be impossible to notice, even if everyone verified and tracked all their bets.

07:21

the interface is horrible too

07:21

New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/24/choosing-a-linux-desktop-environment-for-newbs-and-n00bs/

07:21

That's left to opinion. Isn't bad as far as I care.

07:22

It's more the implementation of their provably fair system.

07:23

Anyway...

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BingoBoingo remembers TradeFortress constantly advocating beautiful provably fair systems and just... Running with the money...

07:26

Spammity spam spam away! http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3649189

07:26

Xfce: Choice Desktop environment for new Linux Users - Slashdot

07:26

Yeah, as I said, a properly done provably fair system doesn't prevent cheating/stealing. It just makes it impossible to do without the possibility of getting caught.

07:27

Provably fair ought to be the bare minimum. It is a shame people consider themselvesserious without it.

07:27

However...

07:27

Provably fair should be so far below the minimum.

07:30

https://twitter.com/apbarros/status/481157619261116416

07:30

Wanna know the pwd for the Brasil world cup security center WiFi nw? It's on the whiteboard ;-) /hashtag/fail?src=hash http://t.co/XD6ujqk5nq

07:33

Technically I think there's many smaller places that gives a new server seed before each bet... but that's a poor system.

07:35

Well, "provably fair" offers some room to choose particulars, but... Can have problems

07:35

Yes, you can always alter betting parameters

07:35

"Only way to cheat would be altering bet parameters after the fact to keep matching seeds and rolls, which is completly noticable if even a few users tracks their bets."

07:35

But you can get caught for that.

07:36

The way PrimeDice does it, they could cheat without any possibility of getting caught.

07:36

With all parameters/seeds/rolls always matching and not changing, yet obtaining a house edge that is not 1%

07:37

At least for players that don't change their client seed before each roll, which is going to be the majority of players.

07:37

This is poor because the system needs to be so that a minority checking bets will catch the cheating for everyone.

07:38

Provably fair should imply that any cheating possible under any scenario is possible to catch.

07:39

it's not

07:39

even in JD's case cheating by dooglus is impossible to catch

07:40

How so?

07:40

he knows the server seed

07:41

Oh, I mean for players. That's an issue but only for investors.

07:41

indeed

07:41

But there's not much way around it.

07:41

I'm talking strictly users side.

07:42

In that case it's possible to have a system where any sort of cheating will be possible to catch.

07:43

doubtful this is a solvable problem

07:44

the JD one for investors or the all cheating is possible to catch?

07:45

Last 19 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2W47ZD7.txt )

07:45

!b 19

07:45

The thing about "provably fair" is that like all other transactions it is an offer from one party to another.

07:46

One party is always by their nature going to be situated better to fuck the person across the table.

07:46

this has been discussed some time ago; one solution can be to use future block hashes as part of the server seed, however it delays the result

07:46

"Provably fair" is a tool to mitigate the risk.

07:47

all cheating. what prevents a server side tweak for 1.1% being switched on and off irregularly to evade persistent monitoring for cheating in your scenario?

07:48

operator could claim, 'probability lol' when evaluating statistical claims by suspicious users

07:48

http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2014q2/000344.html

07:48

Because then rolls wouldn't match?

07:49

You can't change to 1.1% without changed the target number/giving the wrong number for the roll.

07:49

maybe I've misunderstood something here

07:50

Namworld: Well, a casino operator could "take a gamble" by offering a player a result to the player's detriment that is not provably fair

07:51

Bet placed: 1.9995 BTC for No on "World Cup 2014: English to net more than 6 goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/939/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.5986 BTC. Current weight: 66,921.

07:52

Yes, but then even if only a small portion checks their bets, it would get caught. Even if a site did it only 1% of the time, it would quickly be discovered.

07:52

And it would barely provide any advantage. Unless you only do it for very large bets, but those are highly likely to be checked.

07:53

It's possible to cheat, but it's noticable. Even if not everyone checks.

07:56

With PrimeDice, if you don't change your client seed before each roll, you could verify every parameter after the bet, see if anything was changed or if seeds match with the roll. It will check out fine, even if PrimeDice cheats.

07:58

Because they'd be cheating before the rolls with proper seeds provided. Which means they wouldn't need to alter bet parameters after the fact or provide a roll number that doesn't match the seeds.

07:58

Aka, stealth cheating

07:59

I'll admit a 100% flawless system is probably not possible... but the PrimeDice implementation is far from even being half-right.

07:59

Hmmm... -assets doesn't seem as capable of spamming 3rd party sites like it was earlier this year.

08:02

What?

08:03

Right, Primedice's implementations suck in that it counts on implementator honesty too heavily

08:05

It basically doesn't provide any verifiable results unless you change client seed manually before each bet. Which is incredibly poor practice. No user will want to manually change their secret before each bet and type a new random string.

08:05

http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/06/pr-will-be-first-up-against-wall-when.html

08:05

Errata Security: PR will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes

08:08

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5280803&cid=47253005

08:08

Netflix Shutters Its Public API - Slashdot

08:08

I think he mentioned at some point the provably fair system for PrimeDice would be modified for a 4th version of the website, but eh

08:10

OMG security is hard, Who knows who??? http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/06/24/facelock_an_alternative_password_system_are_potentially_better_than_hard.html

08:10

Facelock, an alternative password system, are potentially better than hard to remember passwords, study finds.

08:10

Oh yeah, read that post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253144.msg6485263#msg6485263

08:10

Is PrimeDice really (provably)fair? Well, it isn't.

08:11

I have a hard time rembemering faces

08:11

He says wouldn't CR and JD be able to cheat by altering provided server seed, explaining exactly what PrimeDice does but CR and JD doesn't...

08:11

Essentially all provably fair schemes come down to an evaluation of the implementor's reliability.

08:12

"the point I want to make is his use of the phrase "powerful encryption". There is no such thing. There's only two types of encryption, that which works and that which doesn't" // a fact that still eludes some people

08:12

it has nothing to do with implementor's reliability and it has all to do with hard maths and frequency of verification on the user's part.

08:13

The scheme provided itself is the reliability of the site. It either is poor or is strong. Regardless if the owner is untrustworthy or trustworthy.

08:13

Namworld: You pick an implementation based on the choices the person who implemented it made. If you really want to roll dice you pick the most "fair" system.

08:14

The owner being trustworthy only impacts risk of fleeing with users' balance.

08:14

Otherwiase you write off the implementor as a snake BECAUSE they chose poorly

08:14

Yes, pretty much.

08:15

The right choice should only have to be Tradefartress vs. Dooglus. Not Dooglus vs. politically correct mathzors

08:19

Scammers rarely compete with hard targets though when they can spz. an advantage.

08:20

Eh, anyway...

08:22

https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/481412058152333314

08:22

Great /DLind cardstack on the recent wave of child migrants coming to the US to escape violence in Central America. http://t.co/AHt2wdLXy3

08:23

@binarybits http://Vox.com already seems to be racking up spam profiles fwiw #OMGSpamzors http://www.vox.com/users/motorshow-oman

08:23

Vox

08:23

motorshow-oman Profile, Activity and Communities

08:24

can you block numbers entirely on android or just filter the texts to some inbox you never go into?

08:26

moiety: No idea. I have a flip phone.

08:27

calls you can block

08:27

mines not an android but rather than change my number i thought i would just get an android. i like my number but i cant get rid of this creep

08:27

moiety: null ringtone. works even on ancient phone.

08:27

its texts that are the problem so far

08:28

moiety: I'm telling sharpie in the pooper... blackmail... peace

08:28

asciilifeform: it's only one number though, i don't want to miss other messages

08:28

moiety: most phones, even late '90s vintage, let you set ring tones by number

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moiety is trying

08:29

on android you can go step beyond that so the caller will get a dropped line

08:29

yeahthis wee thing can't do it asciilifeform

08:30

i can get a wee basic android no problem

08:30

(i blocked my isp)

08:30

my nokia dumbphone can do it

08:30

can't even block n umbers for calls on this

08:31

its a wee fb phone

08:31

though my mobile operator also now has a blocking service

08:31

facebook phone?

08:32

yeah mum picked it up when mine broke not knowing anything about phones. facebook for vodaphone thing

08:32

i can't do anything normal, but i can update my status.. sigh*

08:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KSUJ9Xtw9E

08:35

Noonee - The Chairolution - YouTube

08:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 67 @ 0.04099974 = 2.747 BTC [+] {2}

08:36

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.042 = 2.1 BTC [+]

08:37

moiety re bnc: znc

08:38

http://bit.coin.je/

08:38

bit.coin.je - The Jersey Bitcoin Portal

08:39

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.043 = 0.688 BTC [+]

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BingoBoingo takes a smoke break, tired of inhaling strange

08:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 29 @ 0.02219999 = 0.6438 BTC [+] {2}

08:42

kakobrekla: thank you. i got it but i have no idea how to install. i think i'm a lost cause

08:43

"We feel that Jersey is perfectly positioned to become a cryptocurrency-friendly jurisdiction. We’ve got a very highly-regarded finance industry with world class AML/KYC expertise."

08:45

scrap that think i got it

08:47

meh command not found a million times

08:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2253 @ 0.00077913 = 1.7554 BTC [-]

08:49

*

BingoBoingo proposes an excelent exercise for anyone wanting to test their organic chemistry knowledge, cleaning another person's bathroom.

09:00

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/6/22/detroit-water-un.html

09:00

Detroit activists call for UN help as city shuts off water for thousands | Al Jazeera America

~ 30 minutes ~

09:31

http://www.mondaq.com/x/322078/data+protection/ECJ+Declares+Data+Retention+Directive+Invalid

09:31

ECJ Declares Data Retention Directive Invalid - Data Protection - European Union

09:32

hm nevermind i got scrolled.

09:32

dat thing is old

09:37

http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/736804

09:37

ITAR-TASS: Economy - Russia wants to replace US computer chips with local processors

~ 15 minutes ~

09:53

fending off the boys moiety?

09:54

!up miaoux

09:55

miaou !

09:56

just a creepy weirdo in the extended family i have never met Mats_cd03 rather just block it than cause problems

10:03

miaoux

lol

10:05

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/06/24/1228223/google-building-a-domain-registration-service The Internet soon to be renamed The Google

10:05

Google Building a Domain Registration Service - Slashdot

10:18

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[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 438899.48 in 5 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.65

10:21

%ticker

10:21

[X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216

10:21

mod6

%tslb

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1 hour 42 minutes and 14 seconds

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mod6

%ob

10:21

35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 1000k@199 33k@177 750k@175

10:34

http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/06/asa/

10:34

ASA Updates Algorithm to Account for Red-Heads | Medical Satire - GomerBlog

10:36

Quoting numerous recent red head studies published in The Lancet, the ASA did confirm that red heads do in fact have souls, the carpet matches 90% of the time, most red heads hate when ‘red headed slut’ shots are ordered for them, and yes they truly are amazing in bed.

10:36

AMAZING COMPANY!

10:36

looks scientific enough. I'd they less than 90% though

10:37

http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/12/national-arthritic-society-lobbies-climate-change/

10:37

National Arthritic Society Lobbies for Climate Change | Medical Satire - GomerBlog

10:40

pankkake: Honestly there is only one way to investigate such claims

10:41

yes - do you know how I could get this kind of Scientific Research funded?

10:42

pankkake: I dunno, maybe find someone with experience writing grants?

10:42

https://twitter.com/SciencePorn/status/481301442737995776

10:42

X-ray of a 900 pound man. http://t.co/DWukhHvSuj

10:43

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/even-venture-backed-bitcoin-miner-startup-cant-deliver-on-time-gets-sued/

10:43

Even venture-backed Bitcoin miner startup cant deliver on time, gets sued | Ars Technica

10:44

http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/28ykrp/comedy_silver_or_the_only_people_more_delusional/

10:44

Comedy silver, or: The only people more delusional than bitcoiners are litecoiners. : Buttcoin

10:46

heh. just that title is hilarious.

10:46

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/06/24/1318236/florida-man-faces-48k-fine-for-jamming-drivers-cellphones

10:46

Florida Man Faces $48k Fine For Jamming Drivers' Cellphones - Slashdot

10:46

Yeah

10:50

User generated content problems https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/481449050168770560

10:50

Great /DLind cardstack on the recent wave of child migrants coming to the US to escape violence in Central America. http://t.co/AHt2wdLXy3

10:59

%diff

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[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 437759.59 in 2 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.81

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2 Blocks to ATC diff change

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;;ticker

11:05

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.73, Best ask: 586.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.26000, Last trade: 586.99, 24 hour volume: 4255.87860255, 24 hour low: 582.0, 24 hour high: 591.92, 24 hour vwap: 586.544403643

11:08

;;ticker --currency eur

11:08

Bitstamp BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 430.848545, Best ask: 431.775275, Bid-ask spread: 0.92673, Last trade: 431.775275, 24 hour volume: 4266.35277512, 24 hour low: 428.061, 24 hour high: 435.35716, 24 hour vwap: 431.403388611

11:11

OMG watch out the Lebron BitBet http://deadspin.com/lebronapocalypse-1595238462/+tcberman not much action so far... http://bitbet.us/bet/960/lebron-james-to-take-his-talents-elsewhere/?ref=16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok

11:11

Agent: LeBron Will Opt Out Of Miami Contract, Become Free Agent

11:11

BitBet - LeBron James to take his talents elsewhere :: 0.03 B (25%) on Yes, 0.09 B (75%) on No | closing in 3 months 3 weeks | weight: 98`864 (100`000 to 1)

11:13

"At this point, we don't know anything about LeBron's plans other than the fact that he is opting out of his current contract. This doesn't necessarily mean that he is bolting Miami for another team. This could be LeBron positioning himself to re-sign with the Heat at a discounted rate so they can build a better team around him, and it could even be the first step in the elaborate bring-Melo-to-Miami scheme that was reportedly bei

11:13

ng explored earlier this month."

11:14

"This could be LeBron positioning himself to re-sign with the Heat at a discounted rate so they can build a better team around him"

11:14

ahahaha WHAT THE FUCK

11:14

"he's opting out to give us more money"

11:14

what do they put in the us water supply ? dumbherb ?

11:15

Bet placed: 6 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.16299681 BTC. Current weight: 4,727.

11:16

also in the news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/99316fc4d80511b4d7ea955e66ff9874/tumblr_n19n9ml8KO1t3904qo1_500.jpg

11:18

mircea_popescu: Well... in most of the US maintaining water delivery infrastructure is a low priority... Lead pipes are a menace not unlike aluminium mains wiring

11:18

i guess they must be

11:22

It isn't unheard of for athletes to take less money, but it always happens when the contract has expired or when they want to negotiate for more years at less money per year.

11:23

well, salary isn't their total income. they can make more in aggregate by being on a winning team (endorsements, etc.)

11:23

Never though for the cause of "I want less to be the shiniest specialest person on the team"

11:26

btw lead pipes aren't the problem, water tends to deposit minerals to the sides that limit lead poisoning

11:26

but the fact that nobody knows where the pipes are at all

11:26

in NYC large part of water is not even paid for because of this

11:29

mike_c they're going to be on a winning team by moving to one that can pay,

11:29

not by subsidizing idiots.

11:29

jurov true.

11:30

yeah, but national sports are monopolies. teams have salary caps.

11:33

re: russian 'arm' cpu hype << same sad story as 'elbrus' company. the latter started out as a somewhat original superscalar design, ended up a cheap pentium clone. they succumbed to the temptation of the ussr starting in '70s - clone common cpu, run l33t w4r3z.

11:37

Is it sad that I find the HP "the machine" announcement more encouraging than the Russian arm one?

11:38

neither is particularly interesting, imho. both intend to run the same idiot stack forever.

11:39

The HP stuff seems interesting at least for what can be done with used stuff 10 years after release.

11:40

10-20 years out will be interesting in any scenario simply because of how will people react to bumping against Moore's law at the least.

11:45

Who knows maybe once fabs bottom out around 5nm people might start making "sea of gates" FPGAs again

11:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 106 @ 0.04100211 = 4.3462 BTC [-] {4}

11:46

BingoBoingo: MSFT already does, have you seen?

11:47

jurov: It's not just that there are FPGAs though, but a certain kind...

11:48

BingoBoingo: if it's a 'xilinx' or 'altera' - you're stuck with the vendor's closed turd.

11:48

oh that, will come naturally after sufficiently smart compilers

11:49

both of the major (well, only ones worth mentioning) fpga vendors make most of their profit from renting out license to use their libraries (ethernet controller, soft cpu cores, etc.) and not from hardware. hence the tightly closed architectures.

11:49

(reasoning being, were they to open the specs, anyone could cut open the libs and never pay the ransom)

11:49

At some point the price of fabbing "state of the art" will go down, simply because "state of the art" hits a wall.

11:50

state of the art in, e.g. steel production, hasn't changed in decades

11:50

own a backyard steel mill ?

11:51

BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-12-2013&bots=true#432847

11:51

#bitcoin-assets log

11:52

Well, I've reprocess aluminum there before.

11:52

*reprocessed

11:53

it may very well be possible to produce 'backyard cpu,' but refinement of traditional fabrication methods won't get you there

11:53

'can't get to the moon by piling up chairs'

11:54

I'm not thinking backyard, I'm thinking whoever Avalon et al hired to do their baking.

11:59

BingoBoingo> jurov: It's not just that there are FPGAs though, but a certain kind... << it's actually likely to see a proper war around this.

11:59

denying chips is pretty much the best way to keep people doing service "jobs".

11:59

http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/24/cheng-cheng-boy-2-addicted-to-alcohol-in-chinas-anhui-province-4773587/

11:59

Cheng Cheng: Boy, 2, addicted to alcohol in China's Anhui province | Metro News

11:59

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asciilifeform remembers one of the less-discussed reasons for vietnam war - the buggers had the temerity to build semiconductor plants

12:00

*

jurov is sad nobody seemed to notice the "sufficiently spart compilers" snark

12:00

BingoBoingo: you didn't visit china a couple years back did you?

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.78645505 BTC to 9`565 shares, 18677 satoshi per share

12:00

jurov we're just waking up over here lol

12:01

asciilifeform their temerity runs in the fambly it seems. they now have the temerity to fight china over sea oil.

12:02

moiety: Nah

12:03

jurov: But pointing out that snark might highlight it too agressively for certain listeners...

12:07

jurov: is this working? https://coinroll.it/stats bets counter is going up but nothing showing in table

12:07

Coinroll

12:08

use https://coinroll.com/stats

12:08

Coinroll

12:08

ah

12:09

we migrated the domain

12:12

BingoBoingo: re: your x11 wm post: the funny thing is, i originally grew fond of 'ratpoison' wm precisely because, years ago, as student, i used an uncommonly small laptop.

12:12

BingoBoingo: (you mentioned wanting a traditional wm specifically for miniature computers, which i found odd)

12:14

*

mircea_popescu feels an urge to contribute, and so http://38.media.tumblr.com/43ddab4f04de339735f1450d7d8d5fff/tumblr_n1mx0hovad1qgp9ipo1_500.jpg

12:15

lol!

12:25

http://www.iprofesional.com/notas/189965-Que-pasara-con-el-valor-del-dolar-si-la-Argentina-le-paga-a-los-fondos-buitre

12:25

Qu pasar con el valor del dlar si la Argentina le paga a los fondos buitre?

12:27

not much either way.

12:32

asciilifeform: interesting

12:34

BingoBoingo: example of this machine: http://www.notanon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gentoo_libretto.jpg << the circular object underneath 'intel' sticker is the mouse. two buttons on the back of lid.

12:34

https://twitter.com/apbarros/status/481157619261116416

12:34

Wanna know the pwd for the Brasil world cup security center WiFi nw? It's on the whiteboard ;-) /hashtag/fail?src=hash http://t.co/XD6ujqk5nq

12:34

^ when this is your 'mouse,' mouseless wm is appealing.

12:34

It must be

12:36

http://38.media.tumblr.com/6c8929d97e29476c98fe514cbd1c866d/tumblr_mj7ikq5jYs1ryigg2o1_500.jpg

12:44

https://dicesoft.net/projects/wildcard-code-execution-exploit.htm

12:44

Bash glob arbitrary code execution

12:47

haha

12:47

i thought a neighbor was leaving for the morning, and ran outside in my underoos to return a key

12:47

turns out it was another neighbor's girl, my ins broker

12:47

im in the same room as bruce schneier right now

12:47

his ponytail is scruffy.

12:47

amusingly, the one who won't ride his bike naked

12:48

Mats_cd03: http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/

12:48

Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:49

i have read it

12:49

dude is too much of a hippie fuck for that to be true

12:49

incompetent, maybe

12:50

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/luncheon/2014/06/gettys

12:50

[Today] (In)Security in Home Embedded Devices | Berkman Center

12:50

I didn't picture him as a hippie (and certainly not incompetent)

12:54

davout

has -assets already discussed DigitalBTC (digitalbtc.com) ?

12:55

http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=digitalbtc

12:55

digitalbtc

12:56

benkay so did you return her key ?

12:56

re http://38.media.tumblr.com/6c8929d97e29476c98fe514cbd1c866d/tumblr_mj7ikq5jYs1ryigg2o1_500.jpg - that's the only kind of panties that should be allowed

12:56

pf no wrong girl

12:57

hah, look at that. search.b-a is so much better than google site:logs.b-a.

12:57

jurov that's been known for a while no ?

12:58

yes. but it never ceases to entertain me

12:58

<Mats_cd03> dude is too much of a hippie fuck for that to be true << o.O

13:00

jurov actually if it ever gets "fixed" i guess asciilifeform's point about how linux goes to shit like everything goes to shit under the pressurte of popularity wil lbe quite breathtakingly proven

13:01

so the girl and i've been perverting the refrain to "rock me like a hurricane" all morning

13:01

particular winners:

13:01

"whorricane"

13:01

"dock me like a faggot king"

13:01

i had to dig up a demonstration of docking for that one to make sense to the lady

13:01

...

13:02

TomServo

a...demonstration?

13:02

TomServo he prolly doesn't know the old meaning of the term

13:02

doesn't a whoreicane sound great?

13:02

what, docking or demonstrations?

13:02

;;ud dock

13:02

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dock | Dock. to place the foreskin of your dick over someone else's penis head. Clay Aiken docked Lance Bass when he came out of the closet. by hitman912 ...

13:02

there is a whole internet of examples...

13:03

benkay "and if you don't, they dock ya"

13:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS42yIDQX6s

13:03

... and they dock ya! - YouTube

13:03

;;ud sound docking

13:03

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sound%20Docking | The act of inserting one's penis into another man's urethra. See also Sounding and Docking.

13:05

what movie's that from?

13:06

hudsucker proxy...

13:06

hudsucker ya

13:07

;;google site:trilema.com docking

13:07

Have you played Elite back in the 80s ? pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/have-you-played-elite-back-in-the-80s>; The theory behind the alternative EVE corporation pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-theory-behind-the-alternative-eve-corporation/>; The bezzle-USD and the tide-USD pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle- (1 more message)

13:13

Bet placed: 2.2 BTC for No on "World Cup 2014: English to net more than 6 goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/939/ Odds: 6(Y):94(N) by coin, 8(Y):92(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.7986 BTC. Current weight: 66,270.

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%diff

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[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436273.12 in 1 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.01

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%tslb

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51 minutes and 22 seconds

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%book

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35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 1000k@199 33k@177 750k@175

13:20

davout

pankkake: thx!

13:34

sum of this talk: embedded devices r fucked, forever, but you can reduce the attack surface by installing openwrt.

13:34

imo, pr0j3k7 m4yh3m is how this gets triaged

13:36

or by using better embeded stuff

13:44

%tslb

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21 minutes and 51 seconds

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%diff

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[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 511511.43 in 2016 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 0.00

13:45

%ticker

13:45

[X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216

13:45

!up Menno

13:47

!jd

13:47

Just-Dice stat: 19098 BTC profit, 8.7k BTC invested, 1269.21 mio bets, 5.32 mio BTC wagered

13:57

40k divested so far. not bad.

14:01

wait, only 8.7k invested

14:01

what happened ?

14:02

they shut down

14:05

rithm

wah wah wah

14:12

I see, missed the news

14:13

Bet created: "Michelle Keegan to be FHM's 2015 Sexiest Woman" http://bitbet.us/bet/963/

14:14

justusranvier

mircea_popescu: You were right about my most recent article sucking in terms of prose. I'm going to fix that after I finish writing part 2.

14:22

mircea_popescu: and the devices in existence? what about them?

14:27

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.041031 = 0.8206 BTC [-]

14:30

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.041031 = 0.6975 BTC [-]

~ 34 minutes ~

15:04

http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/24/1815200/china-starts-outsourcing-from--the-us

15:04

China Starts Outsourcing From ... the US - Slashdot

15:05

hmm docking... my eyes get wider every day in here.... :]

15:09

hm. bitcoind says that when you encrypt your wallet, previous backups of unencrypted wallet will no longer work. this seems.. impossible.

15:09

either previous backup could send those coins or it couldn't. i dun get it.

15:12

ah, because it lies. this makes sense.

15:15

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 100 @ 0.0559801 = 5.598 BTC [+] {2}

15:15

!t h rent

15:15

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00350000 / 0.00361356 / 0.00399990 (185 shares, 0.66850777 BTC), 7D: 0.00350000 / 0.00420716 / 0.00452500 (2122 shares, 8.92760209 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00412542 / 0.00568031 (5652 shares, 23.31686459 BTC)

15:22

;;rated xmj

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You have not yet rated user xmj

15:23

;;rate xmj 1 not only have we broken bread, but we have broken wild boar. Also, took me on a tour of Old Town, Tallinn, Estonia.

15:23

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xmj has been recorded.

15:36

lol

15:36

goat was going to come to the conference?

15:36

"im sorry again i cant make it. i have two different personal things making this not doable. im very sorry."

15:37

rithm

chaaaaaaaang-nooooi

15:37

fluffypony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

15:37

riithtttttttthhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

15:37

thestringpuller!!!!!!!1111oneoneoneonetyone

15:38

hooray for internet!

15:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.21974574 = 2.1975 BTC [+] {5}

15:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04101171 = 0.5742 BTC [-] {3}

15:53

http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/quantifiably-unsane-vessyl

15:54

Quantifiably unsane: Vessyl | Locklin on science

16:00

Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 20.26299681 BTC. Current weight: 4,512.

~ 17 minutes ~

16:17

xmj and fluffypony sitting in a tree

16:18

xmj riding fluffypony

16:19

k-i-s-s-i-n-g

16:19

whoa thats explicit this is a PG channel

16:20

waitwhat k*ssing is explicit nao?

~ 18 minutes ~

16:38

!up navhul-lacsup

16:39

!up justusranvier

16:39

!up ak__

16:40

!up CoalPowerGorilla

16:40

!up cedivad

16:40

!up kermit

16:41

speak up damnit :D

16:41

so, hashfast got 20 millions in and they were able to destroy all of that value.

16:41

I'm looking at the filing right now.

16:41

they must have won something

16:41

ct got something like 25M and are doing just fine

16:43

what did hashfast blow $$ on?

16:44

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/bitcoin-miner-startup-hashfast-could-be-forced-to-liquidate-itself/ hehe

16:44

Bitcoin miner startup HashFast could be forced to liquidate | Ars Technica

16:44

The involuntary bankruptcy filing came days after HashFast’s CEO told Ars that his company was “as poor as church mice.” Prior to that, the company fired half of its staff and declared “we’re not scammers.”

16:45

they basically decided to destroy the company in December when they saw that they would have had huge lawsuits against them due to their lies

16:46

so they sinked the ship and got everything out via alternative means, imho

16:46

what they spent 20M on... Good question, the filings are not answering to that for now

16:48

linked article mentions parnership with some PepperMining anon company, maybe that was it

16:49

nah, that was the tip of the iceberg. And ars is good, but not good enought. it's difficult for us to understand what is really going on, a jurnalist cannot do miracles

16:50

you're from ars?

16:51

jborkl

peppermining is jsut two guys buying chips

16:51

lol, no. I'm a poor guy that spent more than what should have lost pre-ordering from HashLabs

16:52

jborkl

they said "accounting is a wreck and can't find millions" <- probably is there

16:53

best case, it went into holding btc and the guys at the top are making out like princes.

16:53

worst case... poor house.

16:54

and american prisons.

16:55

yes, there are many addresses we know of that holded our BTC payments since August/September

16:56

Barber claimed that they were payments to suppliers, but he has still to prove that.

~ 19 minutes ~

17:15

!up cedivad

17:15

!up chax

17:15

!up Swadq

17:16

Swadq

Cheers

17:16

hello

17:26

!up bigtip

~ 42 minutes ~

18:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.20001187 = 1.0001 BTC [-] {4}

18:08

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.04265517 = 1.237 BTC [+] {2}

18:08

FabianB

$traded

18:08

empyex

FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE X.EUR

18:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.19804922 = 2.5746 BTC [-] {4}

18:10

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 256 @ 0.195 = 49.92 BTC [-]

18:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00077799 = 0.778 BTC [-]

~ 21 minutes ~

18:44

search.bitcoin-assets.com updated - changes:

18:44

- Now sorts by date by default (option to sort by relevance)

18:44

- Add JSON output for IRC bot integration

18:44

- Tried to improve line spacing

18:44

- Better error messages, instead of blank pages

18:44

- Better page <title>, for assbot benefit

18:44

- Fixed UTF-8 for accented/non-Latin characters

18:50

SHIP IT

18:50

good stuff mthreat!

18:53

kakobrekla: add &output=json for json. I can change the JSON output if you like, for gribble (do you run gribble?)

18:55

no i dun run gribble, assbot will take care of this - but, my thought was just to make assbot build the url query for you on the chan, no json needed

18:55

like "blah!search blah" and it returns

18:55

http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=blah

18:55

68 results for 'blah' - #bitcoin-assets search

18:56

no?

18:56

cool

18:56

but aside that, i can make you ?json to parse the stuff from logs if you want

18:57

still daily , just w/o the html stuff

18:57

it's not really necessary.. the parsing is pretty easy using JSoup

18:57

as you wish

19:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.21987562 = 1.5391 BTC [+] {3}

~ 24 minutes ~

19:28

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.03847462 = 0.5386 BTC [-]

19:39

* Ignatius-otc (~root@gateway/tor-sasl/ignatius-otc) << what could possibly go wrong

19:45

;;seen jurov

19:45

jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <jurov> !up bigtip

19:57

Mats_cd03:mircea_popescu: and the devices in existence? what about them? << burn them.

19:57

help gdp

19:57

moiety: hmm docking... my eyes get wider every day in here.... :] <<< i wouldn't worry while it's just the eyes.

19:58

mike_c: ah, because it lies. this makes sense. << it flushes the 100 pre-generated addies.

19:58

so in that sense.

19:59

cedivad: so, hashfast got 20 millions in and they were able to destroy all of that value. << listing what, a d. ?

20:00

but if it makes you feel any better, they were never populat here. not that ct ever was.

20:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 99 @ 0.04203706 = 4.1617 BTC [-] {6}

20:03

asciilifeform pretty lulzy

20:07

cedivad: Barber claimed that they were payments to suppliers, but he has still to prove that. << that'd be unlikely. depends a lot of the jurisdiction and everything, but in general speaking the manager can just say "we have no more money" and that's that. he doesn't have to prove how he spent it. you may prove he misspent it and then it could escalate to fraud, but in general, in a bankruptcy, a manager is not going t

20:07

o have to prove shit.

20:08

knc, relatively speaking, is on the ball. last week they shipped (300 x 3) = 900 TH/s, and a similar amount over the next week.

20:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00077799 = 11.5143 BTC [-]

20:09

in other news, over *twenty* petahashes have come online in the last week or so

20:09

what. the. fuck.

20:09

people realising they're getting left out.

20:09

where is it coming from??

20:10

by mid summer every government with pretensions will be mining.

20:10

who else could it be. this is serious horsepower.

20:11

hey TheNewDeal. by the way. don't bet against difficulty.

20:11

mike_c people interested in mysteries will now go into the logs to see when i first made certain unsubstantiated claims and then apply engineering timeframes to the window ellapsed.

20:11

quite awhile ago.

20:12

plus, it's easy now! search.b-a ftw

20:12

yeah, quite a while ago. enough to ship 3 generations of cardano :D

20:12

hehe

20:13

mike_c why did this need to be repeated?

20:13

I thought that you and BB were betting against, and I was for 14B

20:13

seemed relevant. not a dig.

20:14

Trust me, I have learned my lessons

20:14

Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Germany will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/931/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.82942216 BTC. Current weight: 16,720.

20:15

;;gettrust TheNewDeal

20:15

Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!465aebee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.70.90.235.238. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user TheNewDeal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=TheNewDeal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014

20:16

not trusting you! you've not learned your lessons!

20:16

ha-ha!

20:16

I'm currently learning my lesson

20:16

aok

20:16

I'll get in your trust network sometime

20:16

just need to find a trustworthy event

20:17

;;gettrust assbot bitcoinpete

20:17

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014

20:21

New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/24/world-cup-meets-bitbet-court-of-appeals/

20:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00077486 = 8.6009 BTC [-] {2}

20:28

New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/24/world-cup-meets-bitbets-court-of-appeals/

20:36

Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/937/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.27207284 BTC. Current weight: 16,620.

20:36

Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.83257221 BTC. Current weight: 54,944.

20:38

bitcoinpete: fwiw, i was going to bet on the same one but didn't as i thought it was borderline and likely to be refunded

20:38

look what you have done now mp

20:40

myeah.

20:40

dun worry, this is just to give them a false sense of security.

20:41

we scam everyone later.

20:42

Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Portugal will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/932/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.63982192 BTC. Current weight: 16,591.

20:45

oh ok, good plan

20:53

what'd I miss?!

20:54

oooh the World cup controversey

20:54

who was the better with the idea to keep bets going until the last moment?

20:55

http://37.media.tumblr.com/a44db4db295f2f711f3d0a3f325bcd1a/tumblr_mwqi95H55y1s0tgwso1_1280.jpg her ?

↖

20:55

Bet placed: 1.93 BTC for No on "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/937/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.20207284 BTC. Current weight: 16,528.

20:56

ooooh getting me excited for my rock climbing trip next weekend

20:56

I'll show her an expert crack climb

20:56

lol

20:57

so ripe for linguistic exploitation that

20:57

you're climbing a rock monyanna?

20:57

no, he's clinging to a crack

20:57

the crack that separates limb from limb

20:59

I'm rock climbing around 4th of July weekend. not next

20:59

wups

20:59

headed to land of smoker's paradise

21:07

pretty disappointed that I wasn't the winner of the bitbet adjudicating record with my bitcon price above $525 in may bet. seems like there was a little bit of leniency with this sports bets with the date adjustments

21:10

there was

21:10

whats an adjudication record ?

21:11

in bitcoinpetes blog it looked like you said you or kako had never adjudicated on a bitbet

21:11

betting mid game of 3rd match is still a risk though if it's an hour until the block is confirmed, that's the other reason i avoid mid game bets

21:12

cazalla this is true

21:13

TheNewDeal well, it's the mod's job. they normally do a good job of it, but not always.

21:13

my case was a little iffy regardless

21:13

last minute bet on a price cross

21:14

(previous case like that was hmmm

21:15

lemme dig for it

21:15

http://trilema.com/2013/the-anatomy-of-a-disaster/

21:15

The anatomy of a disaster pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:15

there, about a year ago

21:17

damn

21:17

should have made a bet that was "bitbet will allow another negative bet"

21:19

latest urge to impulse bet is the FHM bet. Last year's sum was so high!

21:20

well not super high, but the winners made like 3X payout.

21:24

TheNewDeal: do you bet to have some fun with it type shit or are you the sorta guy that knows the bounce you get off different sort of wood on basketball courts?

21:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19489 @ 0.00077654 = 15.134 BTC [+] {2}

21:24

well I played basketball and up until 8th grade and wasn't good enough to make it on the freshman team

21:24

no basketball analogy fails

21:25

I'm the type of person that stays away from everything at the casino that designed to make you lose on purpose, and heads straight to the poker tables

21:26

take said bet here

21:26

http://bitbet.us/bet/727/block-315k-mined-on-or-before-july-28th/

21:26

BitBet - Block 315k mined on or before July 28th :: 0.44 B (5%) on Yes, 8.39 B (95%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 5 days | weight: 15`645 (100`000 to 5`000)

21:26

I bet *very* late in the game

21:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00077355 = 10.0562 BTC [-] {2}

21:27

but I knew what the return would be. I also looked at the return for people who might have a much larger BTC stake than myself

21:28

was quite sure that no larger bets would come on the same side. Made sure that the outcome was a rare event, and felt very confident in betting

21:29

what's your best bet?

21:29

to date, will be 14B in may

21:30

this one paid ok considering i only bet chump change amounts http://bitbet.us/bet/832/difficulty-at-block-302-400-over-10-billion/

21:30

BitBet - Difficulty at block 302,400 over 10 billion :: 0.05 B (11%) on Yes, 0.43 B (89%) on No | closed 1 month 1 week ago

21:30

urrr not may, but bastille day

21:30

shame more people didn't bet on that prop though

21:30

shhhh

21:30

that's me you're raping

21:30

orly?

21:30

very poorly designed bet if I might add

21:31

was my first approved

21:31

i'm hoping a win on the knc bet but expect to lose given criteria even though they've begun shipping

21:32

well don't they also have to perform to spec?

21:32

yes that too

21:33

best resolved bet to date was this I guess. http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/#b27 12% return over a 24 hr period :D

21:33

BitBet - Bitcoin price above $525 before May :: 10.29 B (87%) on Yes, 1.51 B (13%) on No | closed 2 months 1 week ago

21:34

I guess it wasn't really that large though if you add in my late bet that was refunded as well

21:34

bitcoinpete did like 30% in less than an hour ?

21:35

well thats pretty fucking fantastic if you ask me

21:36

I'm trying to get away from the risky bets myself

21:37

played too much with the price bets when I started and just ended up making little for risking lots

21:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00077394 = 6.0367 BTC [+]

21:37

ewww

21:39

On a slightly different topic. Was the Nanking massacre related to the Treaty of Versailles ? Was talking about the Nanking massacre just the other day at work with someone, he was talking about the Nazis being involved, and I didn't realize Germany had given Japan some land in China a couple decades before

21:45

mthreat why does neither http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tumblr.com nor http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tumblr match http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2014#731499 even though the former matches http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#713703 (and how come they don't both match that).

21:45

7 results for 'tumblr.com' - #bitcoin-assets search

21:45

44 results for 'tumblr' - #bitcoin-assets search

21:45

#bitcoin-assets log

21:45

#bitcoin-assets log

21:47

the former is not indexed yet

21:48

I indexed an hour or so ago

21:49

Bet created: "Berkshire Hathaway BRK-B to close at over $135 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/964/

21:49

New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/what-do-you-have-for-breakfast/

21:49

mthreat but if you look, plenty of similar links yest

21:50

i think there's some sort of funk in url tokenization maybe

21:52

https://atc.waroflife.com << neato

21:52

War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!

21:52

ah yeah. "tumblr.com" matches 7 because those 7 have "/tumblr_xyz" in the url, which gets tokenized so it has the token "tumblr"

21:52

^ wait nevermind what i just said

21:53

what a title

21:53

yay

21:53

so yes dear investors, http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.WOL

21:53

S.WOL last @0.00000000

21:53

won't last long.

21:54

mircea_popescu: yeah it looks like url tokenization just isn't very smart

21:54

congrats mike_c

21:54

thanks!

21:54

mthreat i suggest just break urls on all nonalphanum

21:55

mircea_popescu: best bet is probably use: tumblr*

21:55

;;gettrust mike_c

21:55

Currently authenticated from hostmask mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mike_c: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 23 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mike_c | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mike_c | Rated since: Sun Nov 24 21:18:22 2013

21:55

;;rated mike_c

21:55

You rated user mike_c on Tue May 27 19:08:51 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Model blogger, dev..

21:56

;;rate mike_c We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard on Bitcoin media.

21:56

Error: "We're" is not a valid integer.

21:56

o nice, congrats to both

21:56

;;rate mike_c 3 We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard on Bitcoin media.

21:56

Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mike_c has changed from 3 to 3.

21:56

;;rate mike_c 3 We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard for Bitcoin reporting.

21:56

Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mike_c has changed from 3 to 3.

21:56

clearer. mazel tov

21:56

also, here's a chick having a fun. http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo9uzpIrRb1qmf4cto1_1280.jpg

22:03

mike_c maybe add webirc to here on contact form ?

22:04

if channel so desires. didn't want to impose without asking.

22:04

s/desires/allows/

22:04

ooooh my this GoW looks interesting

22:05

%ticker

22:05

[X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216

22:05

well people can just pm you. with the voice rules, it';s unlikely anyone can bother anything

22:05

ok

22:11

who owns x-bt?

22:13

Apocalyptic

22:16

really liking this site

22:17

should be fun to play.

22:19

seems like a very advanced way to... lose money

22:20

looking for previous games though, can't find them

22:20

there's free money in every GoW.

22:20

Watch some of the old games to get a feel for things, and then dive in!

22:20

can i get a linky?

22:20

from home page, see 'finished' game on left

22:21

also sample game linked in help section

22:21

asciilifeform http://www.kp.ru/ ahahah this still exists!

22:21

KP.RU , , -, - // KP.RU

22:21

but i will link that line too. good feedback.

22:23

http://www.kp.ru/daily/26247/3127963/

22:23

- // KP.RU

22:25

should pay someone to put up some signs at MIT advertising this WoL

22:25

is that some sort of show trial ?

22:25

mircea_popescu: not only! they have a net stream radio!

22:25

TheNewDeal indeed.

22:25

;;calc 5 / [ticker --last]

22:25

0.00872585120679

22:25

cheap advertising :)

22:26

what happens to GoW once 1000 blocks are through? Turns into a Mini Game?

22:27

so these kids had a sort of fight club ?

22:27

it's over, next game starts.

22:27

mircea_popescu: says they plugged a journalist

22:28

easiest way to get into is to try it. ATC are cheap.

22:28

%ticker

22:28

[X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216

22:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.22615217 = 8.3676 BTC [+] {16}

22:28

%diff

22:28

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 511511.43 in 1997 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 0.00

22:28

OMG No pool hoppers.

22:29

yet

22:29

I'm not worried about the price of ATC, already checked up on that

22:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.2300909 = 2.531 BTC [+] {2}

22:29

not as cheap as doge, but, hey.

22:29

I'm wondering if the Game of Life just restarts every "week", or if some other cellular automata game will replace it

22:29

Game of the Week restarts every 1000 blocks

22:30

home page on the left is a link to next week's game

22:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.231 = 0.924 BTC [+]

22:30

<TheNewDeal> seems like a very advanced way to... lose money << bout 1%.

22:30

icecream is a less advanced way to lose money.

22:31

hahaha truth

22:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00077359 = 12.5708 BTC [-] {3}

22:31

after all, you could just inject glucose

22:31

not seeing said link mike_c

22:31

this is homepage, correct https://atc.waroflife.com/?

22:31

War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!

22:32

yeah. game 8 on left/top is last week's game. below that, game 10, is next week's game.

22:33

ahhh I gotcha

22:33

and by "week" i mean 1000 blocks.

22:33

what I'm wondering is this. How many 1000 block games will be played?

22:33

hopefully infinite.

22:34

make sense at all? every 1000 blocks a new game starts?

22:34

yes

22:35

just confused me with the name Game of Week, thought there might be a totally different game next week

22:35

and GoL would turn into a minigame or something

22:36

it is not as simple as dice, but hopefully some find it fun.

22:36

most definitely. I think it will appeal to the btc crowd

22:36

!up Illumination

22:36

gotta head to bed though

22:37

csshih

oops

22:37

thanks for checking it out.

22:37

TomServo

Looks pretty cool guys, nice work.

22:38

TomServo

Is there a target date for the grand opening?

22:41

Nice work mike_c

22:42

thanks bingo.

22:42

TomServo: not yet

22:44

Vexual

neato, I like how there isn't an eplilepsy warning

22:44

live on the edge

22:48

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23 = 0.69 BTC [-]

23:02

;;ticker --market all

23:02

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 571.52, vol: 6803.07747613 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 565.76, vol: 3725.13007 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 575.6, vol: 6506.2024117 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 580.0, vol: 48.925372 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 585.461604, vol: 2031.13920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 586.15372, vol: 2.82964216 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 571.326, vol: 35.10755019 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

23:03

--more

23:03

;;more

23:03

Error: That's all, there is no more.

23:03