00:03 |
xmj |
fluffypony: are you on skype? |
| |
~ 29 minutes ~ |
00:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00077664 = 15.0668 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
00:54 |
wywialm |
good morning |
00:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00077664 = 5.6695 BTC [+] |
00:56 |
mircea_popescu |
heya |
00:56 |
mircea_popescu |
long time no see |
00:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00077515 = 17.1308 BTC [-] {2} |
01:06 |
BingoBoingo |
%ticker |
01:06 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 222 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 177k High: 277 Low: 199 VWAP: 243 |
01:06 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
01:06 |
atcbot |
65k@280 40k@278 25k@222 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160 |
01:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21545982 = 1.2928 BTC [-] {3} |
01:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00077664 = 14.0184 BTC [+] |
01:35 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/f-derp-short-risky-bitcoin-startups/2014/06/25 |
01:42 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/ |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
01:58 |
benkay |
!up Vexual |
02:01 |
bitcoinpete |
so the world cup experiment was fruitful, if costly |
02:01 |
bitcoinpete |
i like the 2btc min bet |
02:02 |
bitcoinpete |
that'd definitely cut down on the spammy number of the wc/other sport bets |
02:02 |
bitcoinpete |
the problem with the wc is simply the number of teams |
02:02 |
benkay |
mircea_popescu, mike_c: cool stuff |
02:03 |
bitcoinpete |
if mp had created a rolland garros bet for every single player + halep it would've been the same problem |
02:03 |
bitcoinpete |
having bets on "advancing" vs winning isn't ideal |
02:03 |
bitcoinpete |
too many advancers |
02:04 |
bitcoinpete |
so nao: barriers to entry |
02:04 |
bitcoinpete |
as ever, a wise move |
02:04 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/dogecoin-creator-jackson-palmer-leave-dogecoin-community-calls-cult-like/2014/06/24 |
02:04 |
assbot |
Dogecoin Creator Jackson Palmer To Leave Dogecoin Community; Calls it "Cult-Like" |
02:04 |
bitcoinpete |
lol BingoBoingo just saw that too |
02:04 |
bitcoinpete |
da redditz attacked me! |
02:05 |
bitcoinpete |
ok tired eyes, time for bed... |
02:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00077568 = 5.5849 BTC [-] {2} |
02:18 |
punkman |
http://en.chessbase.com/post/ecu-dre-code-for-che-tournaments |
02:18 |
assbot |
ECU Dress Code for chess tournaments | Chess News |
02:19 |
punkman |
"regarding décolletés (in the US "cleavage"): "the second from the top button may be opened." And skirts may be no shorter than 5-10 cm above the knees" |
02:19 |
punkman |
why can't we have sexy chess |
02:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00077638 = 10.0541 BTC [+] {2} |
02:32 |
BingoBoingo |
Next Inputs.io??? http://www.coindesk.com/hive-adds-litecoin-support-new-web-wallet/ |
02:32 |
assbot |
Hive Adds Litecoin Support With New Web Wallet |
02:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0007783 = 10.8573 BTC [+] {2} |
02:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00077906 = 14.88 BTC [+] |
02:50 |
mircea_popescu |
<bitcoinpete> that'd definitely cut down on the spammy number of the wc/other sport bets << yeah. |
02:50 |
mircea_popescu |
<punkman> why can't we have sexy chess << i can :D why can't you ? |
02:53 |
* |
punkman can't wait for MP's Naked Chess Tournament |
02:53 |
punkman |
full of brazilian/argentinian booty |
02:54 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
02:57 |
punkman |
BingoBoingo: OMG No pool hoppers. << actually there's an extra TH on coinminer |
02:57 |
BingoBoingo |
%diff |
02:57 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 210330.52 in 1977 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -58.88 |
02:57 |
BingoBoingo |
OMG they left already!!! |
02:57 |
BingoBoingo |
%ticker |
02:57 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 222 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 176k High: 277 Low: 199 VWAP: 243 |
02:59 |
mircea_popescu |
<benkay> mircea_popescu, mike_c: cool stuff <<< :D try it out! |
03:00 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
03:00 |
atcbot |
65k@280 40k@278 25k@222 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160 |
03:04 |
benkay |
mircea_popescu: mebbe later - in the meantime i'm enjoying the luxury of going to sleep at midnightish |
03:05 |
mircea_popescu |
hehe |
03:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00077906 = 8.1801 BTC [+] |
03:13 |
mircea_popescu |
!up [Jan] |
03:14 |
benkay |
apropos of the bash bombs discussed earlier, my favorite part about computanium is how ls'ing in a directory with lots of things will cripple a server |
03:14 |
benkay |
can* |
03:14 |
mircea_popescu |
what sort of lots ? |
03:15 |
mircea_popescu |
unless the drive is shitty and unraided that shouldn't really happen. besides, you shouldn't have the kernel volume shared with userspace anyway. |
03:18 |
extra |
http://data.mtgox.com/api/2/LTCUSD/money/ticker |
03:18 |
extra |
LTC confirmed |
03:18 |
benkay |
40k iirc, and it was on a shitty cloud drive to boot. |
03:18 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahha what |
03:18 |
mircea_popescu |
$depth s.wol |
03:18 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: [S.WOL] Bids: 20000 @ 0.00004100 100000 @ 0.00004000 500000 @ 0.00003500 |
03:18 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: [S.WOL] Asks: |
03:18 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: too many inodes makes ls quite slow |
03:19 |
mircea_popescu |
look at that mike : it's oversold. |
03:21 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman with or w/o writeback mount ? |
03:23 |
punkman |
dunno what that is, but it's reading all the entries in a dir that's slow |
03:23 |
mircea_popescu |
(not that you couldn't call getdents by yourself bypassing the 16kb buffer or whatever fucktarded limit readdir does) |
03:23 |
mircea_popescu |
mkay, in sum : this problem is an artefact of using butter knife to mix concrete rather than any problem of the concrete. |
03:27 |
punkman |
fun tip: if you have a shitload of octopus, cement mixer is a good way to tenderize them |
03:27 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
03:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00077463 = 13.7884 BTC [-] {2} |
03:37 |
xmj |
Hi. |
03:37 |
xmj |
punkman: how many kg are we talking? |
03:41 |
punkman |
xmj, dunno maybe 10-20kg in small portable mixer, more if you get the truck version :P |
03:41 |
xmj |
hahaha |
03:42 |
xmj |
I wonder, how do you heat the truck version. |
03:42 |
xmj |
Flamethrower, because awesome? |
03:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33694 @ 0.00078134 = 26.3265 BTC [+] {3} |
| |
~ 26 minutes ~ |
04:11 |
pankkake |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664691.0 |
04:11 |
assbot |
Fight FUD and Scams with social media for trading cryptocurrencies |
| |
~ 26 minutes ~ |
04:38 |
pankkake |
http://proscamming.0-host.net/ |
04:38 |
assbot |
--- * ~~~ Professional Scamming ~~~ * --- |
| |
~ 24 minutes ~ |
05:02 |
davout |
pankkake: i don't see no twitter bootstrap, not investing |
05:07 |
davout |
what's currently the best non-scam mining rig one can buy these days ? |
05:08 |
davout |
or to state the question a bit differently, what's the current market price of mining power? |
05:12 |
jurov |
davout: cex.io says one GH/s is 0.0075 BTC |
05:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.20501668 = 2.0502 BTC [-] {4} |
05:13 |
davout |
thanks, i want to do a rough back of the envelope estimate of what kind of investment the recent diff increases imply |
05:14 |
davout |
;;calc 0.0075*20*1000000 |
05:14 |
gribble |
150000 |
05:14 |
pankkake |
cex is priced rationally? |
05:14 |
davout |
;;calc 150000*600 |
05:14 |
gribble |
90000000 |
05:16 |
davout |
pankkake: what's your best way to estimate? |
05:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.201 = 1.005 BTC [-] |
05:16 |
pankkake |
I don't know |
05:19 |
jurov |
pankkake is anything priced rationally? Not in BTC, at least. |
05:26 |
jurov |
S.WOL added to coinbr |
05:26 |
jurov |
yay for mike_c |
05:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00081608 = 11.9964 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 50 minutes ~ |
06:19 |
punkman |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664614.0 |
06:19 |
assbot |
[NEW]Gambling invest!!!ROI 20 - 200% |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
06:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.202 = 6.868 BTC [+] |
06:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.19942857 = 1.396 BTC [-] {3} |
06:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4073 @ 0.00082529 = 3.3614 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
07:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9038 @ 0.00082369 = 7.4445 BTC [-] {2} |
07:23 |
moiety |
mewning! |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
07:43 |
pankkake |
;;later tell davout http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/290rph/coming_soon_ghs_price_on_cexio_will_crash/cigicgh |
07:43 |
assbot |
IkmoIkmo comments on coming soon- GH/s price on cex.io will crash |
07:43 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
07:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00081703 = 0.6536 BTC [-] |
07:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00081642 = 4.327 BTC [-] |
08:02 |
moiety |
2nd of july i shall have proper intevebs! \o/ |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
08:20 |
dub |
trusting an LEC commit! |
08:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14406 @ 0.00081893 = 11.7975 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
08:51 |
BingoBoingo |
%diff |
08:51 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 252691.36 in 1949 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -50.60 |
08:54 |
davout |
pankkake: thx! |
09:03 |
davout |
still wondering how i could get the closest to reality when calculating how much it'd cost to bring an extra PH/s to the network |
09:05 |
davout |
closest i can think of is take the current best rig that actually sells and use that as basis |
09:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00081385 = 4.3541 BTC [-] |
09:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
i imagine it'd be hard to just buy 1PH, everyone does preorders, isnt Rockminer selling units for ASICMINER around now? |
09:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
Rocket Box 450G-490G 480W[shipping around 27th,June] 990mbtc each if you buy 4 units |
09:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
1PH would surely be cheaper if you contacted them to make arrangements |
09:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
(cheaper rate) |
09:14 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: i see, i'm not really trying to be very precise here, just a ballpark estimate for the recent ~47PH/s increase |
09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
$1m |
09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
for 1 PH |
09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
by my napkin math |
09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe discount is deeper at that size i dunno |
09:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
altough the costs to set that much gear up and run it for a bit would surely add up fast |
09:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;ticker |
09:16 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 557.56, Best ask: 561.08, Bid-ask spread: 3.52000, Last trade: 561.11, 24 hour volume: 9245.61146986, 24 hour low: 555.11, 24 hour high: 587.95, 24 hour vwap: 572.508947449 |
09:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
the cut should be almost over... |
09:19 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: yeah, when i take the chart of currently available hardware and do the math against their cost (disregarding $/kwh) $1mn/PH is the lowest i get |
09:19 |
davout |
actually €1.25mn/PH |
09:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
lotsa dough |
09:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
i wonder how long before 1PH pays for itself in coin |
09:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
could work out this round for people, since the money may have been spent when BTC was worth %800+ |
09:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
$ |
09:25 |
mthreat |
ACM world finals problems, https://icpc.kattis.com/problems |
09:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
"All you do is plug it into a printer's USB port, and the device uses specialized hardware to create a random number with 256-bits of entropy." |
09:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mycelium-entropy |
09:36 |
assbot |
Mycelium Entropy | Indiegogo |
09:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
^ asciilifeform |
09:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.coindesk.com/maidsafe-lessons-learned-crowdsale/ |
09:39 |
assbot |
MaidSafe COO Reflects on Lessons Learned from Crowdsale |
09:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
"BitAngels, the angel investment group which was helping out with the crowdsale, expected mastercoins to comprise no more than 25% of the overall investment. Instead, Lambert explained, they ended up making up roughly half of the investment total." |
09:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
“A lot of people questioned why we would use two currencies, and looking back we [should] have used one.” |
09:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe thatll be on his grave |
09:49 |
davout |
full chart if anyone is interested : http://i.imgur.com/TpCGCOk.png |
09:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0479 = 0.958 BTC [-] |
09:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00081411 = 4.8032 BTC [+] |
09:55 |
jborkl |
well that was a derp move |
09:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
!up zoinky |
09:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
!up miaoux |
09:57 |
zoinky |
woo 30 minutes |
09:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
!up dR3___ |
09:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
!up dignork |
09:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
09:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
same zoinky from tradingview? |
09:58 |
zoinky |
dont even know what to say |
09:58 |
zoinky |
yeah |
09:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
<---bitcoinassets |
09:59 |
zoinky |
don't recall the name on TV TBH, i know you as TAT from here and forums |
09:59 |
zoinky |
maybe if i saw the avatar haha |
09:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
word, i dont chat as much as others there |
09:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
avatar is kim jong un getting goxxed |
10:00 |
zoinky |
mostly trolls there idk why i chat there |
10:00 |
zoinky |
guess im easily trolled |
10:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
there's a few guys trying to be normal |
10:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
though some do FUD to get the trades going their way |
10:02 |
zoinky |
price droopy |
10:02 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
10:02 |
atcbot |
20k@293 65k@280 35k@279 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160 |
10:02 |
BingoBoingo |
!mpif |
10:02 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.0002151 BTC [-] |
10:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4159 @ 0.00081411 = 3.3859 BTC [+] |
10:03 |
BingoBoingo |
!t m s.bbet |
10:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (381 shares, 0.19 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00048666 / 0.000525 (8328 shares, 4.05 BTC) |
10:03 |
benkay |
!t m s.wol |
10:03 |
assbot |
I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs. |
10:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
yep, it took longer than i thought to get to 560, one more little leg down and then sideways with a slight incline til the auction (maybe) |
10:04 |
benkay |
!l m s.wol |
10:04 |
assbot |
The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow. |
10:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
i thought s.wol was .00003, yet the asks are .000035 and up |
10:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
zoinky are you in the WoT? |
10:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;gettrust zoinky |
10:05 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user zoinky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=zoinky | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=zoinky | Rated since: never |
10:05 |
benkay |
kakobrekla: assbot doesn't know about wol? |
10:05 |
benkay |
!l m s.wol |
10:05 |
assbot |
Stupid fucking white man. |
10:05 |
benkay |
!l m s.nsa |
10:05 |
assbot |
Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00013 BTC [-] |
10:05 |
BingoBoingo |
thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!! |
10:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
benkay i suspect s.wol isnt fully set up in mpex for real for real |
10:06 |
benkay |
i do wonder about the ur-account on mpex |
10:06 |
benkay |
that from which all assets are pushed |
10:06 |
benkay |
and that to which all btc drain |
10:07 |
benkay |
(i dreamt about it last night) |
10:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, I tagged the wrong autocomplete. |
10:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
"mircea_popescu:we scam everyone later." |
10:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
!up Pasha |
10:08 |
jurov |
ThickAsThieves I already pestered asciilifeform with that mycelium gizmo, he said it's some atmel satanic stuff, i then saw it opened and it was true |
| |
↖ |
10:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
satanic, as in, the rng is more like png? |
10:10 |
jurov |
the rng is hidden on the chip |
10:10 |
jurov |
it's one chip solution |
10:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
word |
10:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
when the heck is cardano coming out, i already wanna know what the 2nd product will be |
10:12 |
jurov |
the 3rd, you mean. first one was phuctor |
10:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
well, hardware |
10:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
toys |
10:14 |
jurov |
http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/ huh? |
10:14 |
assbot |
BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (96%) on Yes, 0.05 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 83`843 (100`000 to 1) |
10:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
not much confidence there |
10:15 |
jurov |
http://bitbet.us/bet/636/cardano-delivered-before-christmas/?ref=1EteoRKNYbNhhmFfsKnUSWRF3JUpKCcMnc and this one was total fiasco |
10:15 |
assbot |
BitBet - Cardano delivered before Christmas :: 0.57 B (81%) on Yes, 0.13 B (19%) on No | closed 6 months 1 week ago |
10:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11785 @ 0.00081533 = 9.6087 BTC [+] {2} |
10:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
weird i have no recollection of betting on this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/873/any-european-team-to-win-2014-fifa-football/ |
10:19 |
assbot |
BitBet - Any European team to win 2014 FIFA Football World Cup :: 0.33 B (44%) on Yes, 0.42 B (56%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 35`628 (100`000 to 1) |
10:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
yet i did |
10:20 |
benkay |
haxx and scams |
10:20 |
jurov |
someone used your addy to make you paranoid |
10:20 |
assbot |
Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0P034F9.txt ) |
10:20 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 4 |
10:21 |
jurov |
noooo |
10:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
bitbet selective scamming by associating bets wrongly! |
10:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
this is kinda funny https://docs.google.com/a/mixedmedia.pro/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AieQiVL6xc-1dHE5anhTSGotYUVIMmR5cERIYU5BOVE&output=html |
10:21 |
assbot |
2014 Daytrading CURRENT |
10:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
trading log for a losing trader |
10:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22779556 = 0.6834 BTC [-] |
10:22 |
jurov |
i was going to lament unmanageable bash mod queue... but kako emptied it :) |
10:22 |
kakobrekla |
benkay its not in the mpex api output |
10:22 |
rithm |
what is mixedmedia.pro |
10:22 |
rithm |
"your total marketing solution" |
10:23 |
kakobrekla |
jurov i noticed our bash acceptance rate is far apart :) |
10:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah it's a docs domain i use |
10:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
oops |
10:23 |
rithm |
silent stalker over here |
10:23 |
jurov |
tat paranoia++ |
10:24 |
rithm |
the link it takes you to is sanitixed |
10:24 |
rithm |
fwiw |
10:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
word |
10:25 |
jurov |
don't sleep with deprived. word. |
10:25 |
rithm |
this is hilarious |
10:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
don't sleep with deprived? |
10:26 |
zoinky |
I am not in WoT |
10:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah dont trade sleep deprived |
10:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
10:26 |
jurov |
Rule 1 |
10:26 |
rithm |
but he's actually up to 12 from 6,500 |
10:26 |
rithm |
in 90 days or so |
10:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional |
10:26 |
rithm |
unless i misunderstand |
10:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
!up zoinky |
10:27 |
zoinky |
how does one get in wot |
10:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
here's the original link fwiw https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AieQiVL6xc-1dHE5anhTSGotYUVIMmR5cERIYU5BOVE&output=html |
10:28 |
assbot |
2014 Daytrading CURRENT |
10:28 |
rithm |
reminds me of rithm.blue/2014/06/24/confirmation-bias-a-blessing-or-a-curse/ |
10:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
zoinky one sec |
10:28 |
jurov |
zoinky http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets |
10:28 |
assbot |
first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] |
10:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
jurov beat me to it |
10:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22782704 = 0.6835 BTC [+] {2} |
10:29 |
zoinky |
ok thanks ill check it out |
10:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02848654 = 0.5697 BTC [+] |
10:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
https://rithmblue.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/rithm-blue-titsintshirt.png |
10:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
:) |
10:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
rithmblue is audio production? is there samples somewhere? i just see live vids |
10:33 |
rithm |
all i have at this time is live audio |
10:33 |
rithm |
studio is still being built |
10:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
cool, i dabble myself, have home studio, etc |
10:33 |
rithm |
well i haven't decided on the studio setup you can help me |
10:33 |
rithm |
i want 24 channels and analog but digital option |
10:34 |
rithm |
kinda want to be able to record to vinyl |
10:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dont use a board, just a collection of lunchbox stuff |
10:35 |
rithm |
that's cool because mostly everything i do i use my zoom h4n for right now |
10:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
my ADDA is an old MOTU cuz it has some particularly good chip in it |
10:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
828mkii |
10:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6412 @ 0.00082025 = 5.2594 BTC [+] |
10:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
not sure what stage youre at, but for me the best jump in quality was getting that ADDA, a decent tube mic, and a high-quality mic pre |
10:36 |
chetty |
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/25/want-to-disprove-man-made-climate-change-a-scientist-will-give-you-10000-if-you-can/ |
10:36 |
assbot |
Want to Disprove Man-Made Climate Change? A Scientist Will Give You $10,000 if You Can | TheBlaze.com |
10:37 |
rithm |
because i'm still building the studio (construction) mostly i do live stuff |
10:37 |
rithm |
live a/v events |
10:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04789916 = 0.5748 BTC [-] {2} |
10:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
cool, yeah you probably want more versatile stuff then, like a good mixing board |
10:38 |
chetty |
So this 'scientist' wants to pay for someone to prove a negative! |
10:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
10:39 |
rithm |
i got an imgur of my rig somewhere |
10:40 |
rithm |
ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this |
10:40 |
rithm |
http://imgur.com/CaiSMZO |
10:40 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
10:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://crypto-comics.com/comic36.png |
10:40 |
xmj |
Maybe I'm having a day |
10:40 |
rithm |
halorig.com mini, Zoom H4n line out, splitter +headphones, line in to Canon Vixia HF G20 |
10:40 |
mike_c |
ThickAsThieves: https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/579/46/which-record-type-option-should-i-choose-for-the-information-im-about-to-enter |
10:40 |
assbot |
Which record type option should I choose for the information Im about to enter?(DNS Questions) Namecheap.com Knowledgebase |
10:40 |
xmj |
and maybe CentOS is just a worthless piece of shit. |
10:41 |
mike_c |
scroll down to NS record |
10:41 |
mike_c |
subdomain: seeds host: 54.whatever.i.said |
10:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
k i'll work on it |
10:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
that menu is probably buried somewhere else, i couldnt find anything that looks like that |
10:42 |
mike_c |
well, you were in the nameserver section |
10:42 |
mike_c |
which isn't quite right |
10:42 |
mike_c |
cuz that's for the root domain |
10:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
i was only there as a last resort, cuz the DNS secrtion only allowed TXT or CNAME |
10:42 |
mike_c |
hm |
10:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's all fucked up |
10:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
i shoulda just used my own DNS |
10:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
yeah it only shows A, TXT, CNAME as options... i'll dig |
10:46 |
punkman |
you are on the wrong page |
10:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
i cant find "All Host Records" like the support doc says |
10:46 |
xmj |
if i may ask |
10:46 |
xmj |
what are you trying to achieve? |
10:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
a subdomain pointing to an IP |
10:47 |
mike_c |
we are trying to put a NS record in therealaltcoin.org that sets the nameserver for seeds.therealaltcoin.org |
10:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
more specifically, where the fuck Namecheap hides such setting |
10:47 |
mike_c |
this custom nameserver is running altcoin-seeder |
10:47 |
punkman |
https://manage.www.namecheap.com/myaccount/modsingle.asp?domain=YOURDOMAIN.COM&type=nameserver&rkey=NC |
10:47 |
assbot |
Login Signup |
10:47 |
punkman |
there |
10:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
thats what i did last time |
10:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
which i gave mike_c a screenshot of |
10:49 |
punkman |
well youi need to run a nameserver then |
10:49 |
mike_c |
we are. |
10:49 |
mike_c |
but only for seeds.therealaltco.org |
10:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'll show what that link results in |
10:51 |
mthreat |
Final standings ACM world finals: http://icpc.baylor.edu/scoreboard/ |
10:51 |
assbot |
the 38th Annual World Finals of the ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest |
10:51 |
mthreat |
no US team in top 10 |
10:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
(i did this yesterday) after i add info, this is what it shows for it: http://imgur.com/iHFPZli |
10:52 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
10:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16373 @ 0.00082389 = 13.4896 BTC [+] |
10:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
there's no place that looks like the link mike_c gave from their doc |
10:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
where i can fully choose to make any kind of record |
10:54 |
punkman |
you need to make ns1.therealaltcoin.org and ns2.therealaltcoin.org, point to nameserver ip |
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10:54 |
punkman |
then add seed, ns1.therealaltcoin.org NS record |
10:55 |
jurov |
ThickAsThieves: I had to look |
10:55 |
jurov |
and on Modify Domain screen |
10:55 |
punkman |
ThickAsThieves: does the domain use the host's nameserver? |
10:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
yes |
10:55 |
punkman |
well then you need to go there and add NS record |
10:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
... |
10:55 |
jurov |
there is NS record under ADVANCED in the RCORD TYPE dropdown |
10:56 |
punkman |
yeah but you gotta use NC's nameserver for that |
10:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
i see no "advanced" in this window jurov |
10:59 |
punkman |
oh you use namecheap hosting for it |
10:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
yes |
11:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
in that screenshot, do i just put this custom IP in the ns1 and ns2 boxes and add that? |
11:00 |
pankkake |
ns1 and ns2 should be namecheap nameserver ips |
11:01 |
punkman |
do you see a link on the menu that says "Transfer DNS Back to Us"? |
11:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's always there, but yeah |
11:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
even if you use them |
11:01 |
punkman |
no if you use them it says "Transfer to web host" |
11:01 |
jurov |
http://live.coinbr.com/images/Namecheap.com_-_Modify_Domain_%28anonml.com%29_-_2014-06-25_16.59.46-fs8.png here's how would i point subdomain to cloudflare |
11:02 |
punkman |
maybe the hosting account menu has something about dns? |
11:02 |
punkman |
never used that myself |
11:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
jurov i cant find that window |
11:02 |
punkman |
yeah because you use namecheaphosting dns, not namecheap dns |
11:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
11:03 |
jurov |
menu -> manage domains -> click on domain name -> all host records |
11:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
doesnt exist |
11:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
ok |
11:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think punkman is onto something |
11:03 |
jurov |
which step doesnt exist? |
11:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
so i'm using their DNS, just not THEIR DNS |
11:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
or someshit |
11:03 |
punkman |
my domain with NC DNS uses DNS1.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM |
11:04 |
punkman |
not DNS1.NAMECHEAPHOSTING.COM |
11:04 |
punkman |
which is what therealaltcoin has |
11:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
All Host Records now appears! |
11:05 |
mike_c |
thanks guys. TaT and I were not getting closer to the goal :) |
11:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
yes thx, almost done |
11:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
hoepfully |
11:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18414 @ 0.00082389 = 15.1711 BTC [+] |
11:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
so i need to wait the TTL time before checking if this worked right? |
11:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
1800 is 30m if i recall? |
11:11 |
mike_c |
ttl is a suggestion |
11:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah |
11:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
how do i know if it's working, does an NS record show up on whatsmydns.net? |
11:12 |
mike_c |
what should happen is eventually you do a dig -t any therealaltcoin.org and it shows up |
11:12 |
pankkake |
you can ask the responsible dns server directly, bypassing ISP caches |
11:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dont understand either of you |
11:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
:) |
11:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
i can tell ya when i visit seeds.therealaltcoin.org it behaves differently now :/ |
11:14 |
mike_c |
uh oh |
11:14 |
mike_c |
A record seems to be gone |
11:14 |
punkman |
did you transfer "back to us"? |
11:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
yes |
11:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
probly a delay in that? |
11:15 |
mike_c |
oh, nvm. it's there now. weird. |
11:15 |
punkman |
because now it has no idea what IP the root is |
11:15 |
punkman |
unless they've added some magic |
11:16 |
punkman |
*root domain |
11:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
the page loads at least |
11:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
but no idea if the seeds subdomain is set up as needed yet |
11:16 |
punkman |
and if you add it manually, then namecheaphosting can't update the IP if it ever changes |
11:17 |
mike_c |
ThickAsThieves: the point is not for seeds.therealaltcoin.org to show a web page. what should happen when this is working is that it will point to active ATC nodes (which probably aren't running web servers) |
11:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
i understand that no page would load (i assum you'd need to do something on your end for a page to load via http for it) |
11:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
what i dont understand is how to check if i did it right |
11:18 |
mike_c |
i'll let you know. |
11:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
cool |
11:19 |
TomServo |
*** ns1.namecheaphosting.com can't find seeds.therealaltcoin.org: Non-existent domain |
11:19 |
TomServo |
Is that your DNS server? |
11:20 |
punkman |
TomServo: ns1.therealaltcoin.org is supposed to be the NS for seeds. |
11:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
so should i add a nameserver in addition to the NS record? |
11:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
pointing to same outside IP? |
11:21 |
mike_c |
54.x.x.x *is* a nameserver |
11:21 |
mike_c |
how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p |
11:21 |
TomServo |
haha |
11:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
11:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
we're like new breed of plumbers |
11:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
where does this pipe go!? |
11:22 |
TomServo |
not sure, but it definitely needs more flux |
11:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
crack it open and see what pours out! |
11:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
"that's the sewage" "oh, shit." |
11:23 |
Mats_cd03 |
ym is a nameserver |
11:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://nypost.com/2014/06/25/its-david-vs-goliath-in-race-to-launch-nys-first-regulated-bitcoin-exchange/ |
11:23 |
assbot |
It’s David vs. Goliath in race to launch NY’s first regulated bitcoin exchange | New York Post |
11:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
"The twilight of the rule-writing process — expected now in early July — has started internal discussions at Nasdaq about how to take advantage of the currency’s growing popularity, sources said." |
11:23 |
xmj |
hrm |
11:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Should Nasdaq officials decide to go forward, they likely will move quickly — exchange officials expect to create a regulated platform for bitcoin buyers and sellers in about a year, one source said." |
11:26 |
kakobrekla |
http://www.coindesk.com/switzerland-government-report-bitcoin-insignificant-legislation/ |
11:26 |
assbot |
Swiss Government Report: Bitcoin Too 'Insignificant' for Legislation |
11:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
i tried to do a lil promo for War of Life on reddit and got deleted, after getting 3 upvotes nonetheless |
11:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
must be a competitor modding |
11:26 |
Apocalyptic |
reditards at their best |
11:26 |
jurov |
does WoL have referrals? |
11:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
good q! |
11:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
"bitcoin.org's content is managed by Saïvann Carignan, who is somewhat associated with the Foundation (though not an employee AFAIK), but the bitcoin.org domain name is jointly owned by me, Sirius, and an anonymous person. We will take action if bitcoin.org is being used inappropriately or the development group does something crazy." ~Theymos |
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11:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2901 @ 0.00082389 = 2.3901 BTC [+] |
11:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
mike_c in the WoL Shares area, why not show first bits like BitBet does? |
11:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
also with current pop-up method, it doesnt allow copy-pasting an addy |
11:38 |
Mats_cd03 |
i am tired of hearing about theymos |
11:38 |
Mats_cd03 |
its time he gets hit by a car |
11:39 |
pankkake |
Mats_cd03: that is grounds for a twitter ban |
11:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
mike_c it's also hard to find my bets, maybe a search function is needed like bitbet too |
11:39 |
mike_c |
why can't you copy-paste? |
11:39 |
mike_c |
search sounds like good idea |
11:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
cuz the pop up disappears when i move mouse |
11:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
also the closed games have no timestamps or anything |
11:40 |
mike_c |
what? what browser/os are you on? |
11:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what |
11:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
chrome |
11:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
also recommend a "previous" & "next" game link to chronologically page thru |
11:51 |
mike_c |
there's only one active GoW at a time. but i do want to add a list of old games, etc. |
11:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23383 @ 0.00082161 = 19.2117 BTC [-] {2} |
11:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4089 @ 0.00082231 = 3.3624 BTC [+] |
11:58 |
punkman |
ThickAsThieves: think you broke it, http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ 400 Bad Request |
11:58 |
assbot |
400 Bad Request |
11:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
mofo |
11:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79952895 BTC to 9`635 shares, 18677 satoshi per share |
12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.045 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2} |
12:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00082655 = 14.01 BTC [+] {2} |
12:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pastebin.com/xNLprWFE for the lulz |
12:04 |
assbot |
Selina selinamartindale@gmail.com http://www.thinkkeno.net/%E7%8F%BE%E7%89%A9% - Pastebin.com |
12:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.04432367 = 0.8421 BTC [-] {5} |
12:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
heh |
12:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
alright so basically i need to add all the DNS records that were in the host before, to the changed to nameserver, right? |
12:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
seeds.therealaltcoin.org seems to be working for Seattle |
12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host 'seeds.therealaltcoin.org' |
12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly in an hour or so |
12:10 |
punkman |
ThickAsThieves: do you have a VPS or shared with NC hosting? |
12:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think i fixed it all |
12:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
the only xfactor is the A records all didnt like a "." at the end of the IP entry, whereas seeds.therealaltcoin.org NS record accepted it |
12:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
the site loads again now too |
12:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
now ait |
12:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
12:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
i do not have a VPS |
12:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ works |
12:16 |
assbot |
400 Bad Request |
12:16 |
punkman |
I don't seen any entries for seeds subdomain |
12:18 |
BingoBoingo |
%diff |
12:18 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 324223.45 in 1913 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -36.61 |
12:18 |
punkman |
%tslb |
12:18 |
atcbot |
0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!) |
12:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.04228851 = 2.495 BTC [-] {8} |
12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 266666*.9 |
12:20 |
gribble |
239999.4 |
12:21 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 58333 *.9 |
12:21 |
gribble |
52499.7 |
12:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's odd that the www. works but not without it, being that www. is the CNAME |
12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
you prolly don't have a * record |
12:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
the @ one? |
12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
no, the * one |
12:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
hmm |
12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google dns catchall |
12:22 |
gribble |
Wildcard DNS record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcard_DNS_record>; How can I set up a catch-all (wildcard) subdomain? (DNS Questions ...: <https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/597/46/how-can-i-set-up-a-catchall-wildcard-subdomain>; Is a wildcard CNAME DNS record valid? - Server Fault: (1 more message) |
12:23 |
punkman |
you need @ not * |
12:23 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: both work from here |
12:23 |
davout |
yeah, you don't need a * record for the root domain |
12:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
should i remove the * record then? |
12:24 |
davout |
and if www is CNAME'd to the root you don't need it at all |
12:24 |
davout |
i don't really like to keep those around unless i need them because i want to have a domain-dependent behaviour |
12:24 |
davout |
*subdomain dependent behaviour |
12:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
www is indeed cname'd to root, but @ is pointing to the server IP |
12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
davout well sure |
12:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
which i assume is correct, only the root domain doesnt load, for me at least |
12:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
www. does load though |
12:25 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: try from your mobile phone, disconnected form wifi |
12:26 |
davout |
dns caching is a bitch |
12:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol davout, incidentally, Paris is the only IP that hasnt updated yet |
12:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
so yours might break soon too |
12:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/therealaltcoin.org |
12:26 |
davout |
"Paris is the only IP that hasnt updated yet" <<< does not compute |
12:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
look at link above |
12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
til .mp is an actual tld |
12:27 |
davout |
sfr is one of many providers |
12:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
ok it loads fine in Tor |
12:27 |
davout |
there's no such thing as "the dns for paris" :D |
12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
davout no dude he knows remotely the situation of dns in paris |
12:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
dub's a noob :D |
12:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
well it was an inconvenient coincidence |
12:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
considering the only french guy could see it |
12:28 |
davout |
golden rule when fucking with dns : "test after changing the configuration, never before, or you'll be stuck with shit being cached" |
12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
"The get.mp site is a bit defunct as the certificate is expired." |
12:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
alls well |
12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
the steaks in my fridge are a bit defunct too! |
12:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
now i just need confirmation the seeds.therealaltcoin.org is doing what it's supposed to |
12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
davout or just floosh a lot |
12:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
so can i have an A record fors seeds. too? |
12:30 |
davout |
i just check the configs with a "dig A domain.tld @ns.otherdomain.tld" |
12:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
so it doesnt timeout when loaded in web browser? |
12:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe pointing to text file of current seeds? |
12:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
or is that just pointless |
12:31 |
punkman |
seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 40000INNS54.197.241.190. |
12:31 |
punkman |
seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 60INA54.197.241.190 |
12:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dunno what that means |
12:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
alls well? |
12:32 |
mircea_popescu |
->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 58366 |
12:32 |
mircea_popescu |
lol win |
12:32 |
punkman |
I did dig -t ANY seeds.therealaltcoin.org @54.197.241.190 |
12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
mine's ambigous |
12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 40000INNS54.197.241.190. |
12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 60INA122.49.204.147 |
12:33 |
punkman |
right, that's good |
12:33 |
davout |
seeds.therealaltcoin.org doesn't seem to actually have any name servers defined |
12:34 |
davout |
therealaltcoin.org does |
12:34 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: what the fuck have you done? |
12:34 |
punkman |
davout, dig -t ANY seeds.therealaltcoin.org @dns1.registrar-servers.com |
12:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
seeds. has an NS record with value= 54.197.241.190 |
12:35 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: i assert the contrary |
12:35 |
davout |
punkman: if you force the nameserver you're cheating! |
12:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
well being that i'm minimally experience with this stuff, i dont know what youre suggesting i do |
12:36 |
davout |
are you hosting the NS server yourself ? |
12:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's namecheap's |
12:36 |
davout |
i'd try to see why you're getting a servfail |
12:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
but i can add any record |
12:36 |
davout |
hmm |
12:37 |
thestringpuller |
;;seen BingoBoingo |
12:37 |
gribble |
BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 minutes and 41 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> %diff |
12:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'll ss my current records |
12:37 |
chetty |
Supreme Court bans warrantless cell phone searches |
12:38 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: it's very weird that your subdomain doesn't seem to have an associated nameserver when asking without asking dns1.registrar-servers.com |
12:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://imgur.com/0wLdYIn |
12:39 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
12:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
that should help |
12:41 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: why do you have the last line ? |
12:41 |
davout |
why do you need to associate a separate nameserver to the seeds subdomain ? |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
<chetty> Supreme Court bans warrantless cell phone searches << ya, that'll do a lot. |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
usg will just redefine "cellphones" as laptops or w/e |
12:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
cuz mike_c told me to, cuz that IP is his and a nameserver |
12:42 |
davout |
didn't you mean to have an A record instead ? |
12:42 |
Apocalyptic |
anyway NSA isn't bound by law, is it ? |
12:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
i only menat to do as told |
12:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
should it be A instead? |
12:42 |
punkman |
mike's nameserver spits out node IPs as A records |
12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
this should be interesting, how tat's soup comes out with al lthe asset cooks |
12:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
i dont have a problem hosting the seeds myself, if handheld through it |
12:44 |
davout |
punkman: so the use case is that they're going to be multiple seeds, managed by mike_c like s1.seeds.therealtcoin.org ? |
12:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
no it's just a list i think |
12:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think the plan is to embed this subdomain into the altcoin software, so newbs can get the chain easier |
12:44 |
dignork |
ThickAsThieves: http://serverfault.com/questions/100307/can-the-value-for-a-ns-record-be-an-ip-address |
12:44 |
assbot |
dns - Can the value for a NS record be an IP address? - Server Fault |
12:45 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: so when hitting seeds.therealaltcoins.org, a single server will spit out a list of seeds, in some format for use by the atc client ? |
12:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think so |
12:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm speaking for mike_c and pankkake i think |
12:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
and i'm not so sure i'm qualified |
12:45 |
pankkake |
yes, that is is |
12:45 |
davout |
well, then you don't need a NS record |
12:46 |
davout |
you need a plain old A record for seeds that points to the IP of the server managing the seeds list |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
dude it's like being on mdma over here |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i derp about my business, suddenly there's this weird booming echo multivoice |
12:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
cool i'll fix it |
12:46 |
pankkake |
it's wrong! |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
a second later it comes through they're screaming "goal!1" but that second... |
12:47 |
pankkake |
the "format" for the altcoin client is a DNS reply |
12:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
pankkake you talking to me or mp? |
12:47 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: oh fuck, i'm supporting nigeria |
12:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah |
12:47 |
pankkake |
to davout |
12:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
i could not have guessed that DNS would be an interpretive thing... |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves he was confirming it for davout |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
bah |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha the interpretive dns dance! round robbin! the nut cracker! |
12:48 |
davout |
pankkake: whaddaya mean |
12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
this should totally be a musical |
12:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
how about i just put BOTH records |
12:48 |
davout |
i feel like i'm going down into a confusion vortex |
12:48 |
jurov |
ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. now you'll have two problems! |
12:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
more shares is better! |
12:48 |
assbot |
Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VE6PXR.txt ) |
12:48 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 9 |
12:48 |
pankkake |
seeds. has to be served by the self updating dns server |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
<jurov> ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. now you'll have two problems! <<< ahahaha |
12:49 |
pankkake |
well despite knowning the thing I have a hard time following the discussion |
12:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
<jurov> ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. /// actually this is something i do want |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
"you have two problems. the government takes one and gives you a cow. now you have three problems." |
12:50 |
davout |
pankkake: you want to resolve subdomains of seeds. ? |
12:50 |
punkman |
davout, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723462 |
12:50 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman re the "no shorter than 5-10 cm above the knee" : does thaat resolve to -5 which is then 5 below the knee ? |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
or does it just resolve to "depending on how lanky you are, one inch over your cunt" |
12:51 |
pankkake |
seeds. is also resolved by the NS of seeds. |
12:51 |
davout |
punkman: a i see, you want a dynamic A record for seeds |
12:52 |
punkman |
yeah and other cool features, https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder |
12:52 |
assbot |
sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub |
12:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
ok well at the moment the screenshot is what it is and will remain so until explicitly instructed |
12:53 |
punkman |
ThickAsThieves: maybe change it to seeds NS ns1.therealtaltcoin.org, then go to the other page and point ns1. to mike's IP |
12:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.042 = 1.386 BTC [+] |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
this didn't work so well did it. |
12:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
i wil not accept a maybe |
12:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
explicit instructions only |
12:54 |
davout |
punkman pankkake if what's needed is load balancing, or failover, multiple A records for the same domain would do just fine |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
sensible. |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
davout: what's currently the best non-scam mining rig one can buy these days ? << prolly the 3th knc recently delivered |
12:54 |
pankkake |
yes, if you have known nodes running… and I don't believe it is the case |
12:55 |
punkman |
ThickAsThieves: well according to dignork's link, having an IP in NS record is not so valid |
12:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
btw, i do have some .bit domains registered, including bitcoin-assets and therealaltcoin |
12:55 |
punkman |
but I got no fucking clue to be honest |
12:55 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: yeah, i didn't state the question very explicitly, but i was wondering about the price to pay to bring an extra PH/s to the network, something around 1.25mn is what i found |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
it seems to be about 1 dollar per gh roughly. |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
so 1mn per ph, net of any logistics |
12:56 |
davout |
and electricity |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
1.25 prolly reasonable yeah. electricity is logistics :D |
12:56 |
davout |
i guess thats included in "logistics" |
12:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
mike_c see above discussion and lemme know if you need anything changed anytime |
12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: [NEW]Gambling invest!!!ROI 20 - 200% << lmao |
12:58 |
davout |
to be read as -200% |
12:58 |
davout |
nah, actually i'm an idiot, that's not possible |
12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
IT SHOULD BE |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how long before 1PH pays for itself in coin << hash doesn;'t really need to pay for itself in coin tho. |
12:59 |
punkman |
I can't ping seeds.therealaltcoin.org, does it resolve for someone? |
12:59 |
jurov |
not if one pays another 100% for filing a debt claim |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov has it |
12:59 |
davout |
punkman: lol |
13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman unknown host. |
13:00 |
davout |
jurov: as in "this guy owes me 100 BTC, here's 100 BTC to get it from him" ? |
13:00 |
mike_c |
ugh. hopefully you didn't "fix" it, i think you had it :) |
13:01 |
mike_c |
davout: I am running a nameserver for seeds.atc |
13:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: maybe thatll be on his grave << what should be on his grave is "I thought I knew shit, because I used to be a shithead. Now I know better, but what's the use, I'm already shitlisted." |
13:01 |
mike_c |
clients will query it to find active ATC nodes |
13:01 |
mike_c |
in order for clients to query it, the root domain needs to list my server as a nameserver for seeds.atc |
13:01 |
mike_c |
clear as mud? |
13:02 |
punkman |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2014#732075 |
13:02 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
13:02 |
mike_c |
punkman: no reason you should be able to ping it! |
13:02 |
punkman |
no? |
13:02 |
Apocalyptic |
<mike_c> in order for clients to query it, the root domain needs to list my server as a nameserver for seeds.atc // you're sure ? |
13:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
what if i want http://seeds. to point a picture of apple seeds? what record for that? |
13:02 |
Apocalyptic |
I thought it was meant to resolve to IP of nodes |
13:03 |
mike_c |
Apocalyptic: it does resolve to IP of nodes. but how does your computer know who to ask to resolve it. |
13:03 |
davout |
ThickAsThieves: A record for that, on mike_c's server |
13:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
nuts |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
!t m s.wol |
13:03 |
assbot |
The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire. |
13:03 |
davout |
mike_c: so you're going to resolve s1.seeds.the...org etc ? |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly ? |
13:03 |
mike_c |
no, no s1.seeds |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
!t m d.bpay |
13:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC) |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
13:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
mp how come your s.wol is 35 instead of 30, just to fuck with people? |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves someone bid |
13:04 |
davout |
mike_c: so what fqdns is your server going to resolve ? |
13:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
? i dont see any Last Price |
13:04 |
mike_c |
seeds.therealaltcoin.org |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
and speaking of which, now that mike_c is up he's prolly going to put bitcoin in once he's done destroying altcoin dns |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
after which those shares are prolly selling |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
so get in if you want to get in. |
13:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0008285 = 5.7995 BTC [+] |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves there isn't a last price yet. |
13:06 |
mike_c |
https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder/blob/master/README |
13:06 |
assbot |
bitcoin-seeder/README at master sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub |
13:06 |
davout |
mike_c: dig A seeds.therealtcoin.org @54.197.241.190 |
13:06 |
davout |
->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 49439 |
13:06 |
mike_c |
dig -t A |
13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!! << it's tiny, 15 btc total. |
13:06 |
davout |
mike_c: why would that change anything ? |
13:06 |
davout |
i'm asking for an A record |
13:07 |
mike_c |
dig -t A seeds.therealaltcoin.org @54.197.241.190 |
13:07 |
punkman |
realtcoin |
13:07 |
punkman |
^^ |
13:07 |
mike_c |
flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, |
13:08 |
davout |
punkman: my face, my palm |
13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
wow they're really massacring nigeria. |
13:09 |
davout |
mike_c: yeah works now |
13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i think someone needs to send argentina team an ugrend proposal |
13:09 |
davout |
lol |
13:10 |
mike_c |
hopefully nobody actually reads the logs. |
13:10 |
|
Bet placed: 9 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.31299681 BTC. Current weight: 3,557. |
13:11 |
davout |
mike_c: curious as to why i'm getting a servfail when not asking your server directly |
13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional << funny how that works huh. |
13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
davout take a hint ? :D |
13:12 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: ? |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, "why do i get a fail message when im not doing anything" |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
"cuz you suck!!1" |
13:12 |
davout |
meh, i get the same message as you |
13:13 |
davout |
also same message from different machine, on different network |
13:14 |
davout |
mike_c: maybe that's related to using an IP directly as the NS field value, i have no fucking clue :D |
13:16 |
punkman |
"It is important to know that NS records are only responsible for defining the names of DNS servers within a zone, i.e. they do not represent IP addresses," |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman what's a standard for if not pissing all over it ? |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
we're cats! |
13:18 |
BingoBoingo |
;;seen moiety |
13:18 |
gribble |
moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <moiety> 2nd of july i shall have proper intevebs! \o/ |
13:18 |
punkman |
yeah but I first said this 2 hours ago |
13:18 |
punkman |
and now it's not working :P |
13:18 |
moiety |
i here :] |
13:18 |
mike_c |
so it should be seeds.therealaltcoin.org NS -> foo.therealaltcoin.org and then foo.therealaltcoin.org -> 54.x.x.x? |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
hi moiety |
13:19 |
moiety |
i had an appointment for sorting everything out income wise, sorry |
13:19 |
moiety |
hello |
13:19 |
davout |
punkman: -assets currently looks like a bunch of medieval doctors putting leeches on a guy with a broken ankle |
13:20 |
punkman |
I'm just glad I'm not a sysadmin |
13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
and it's worth every penny of the admission fee! |
13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/25/want-to-disprove-man-made-climate-change-a-scientist-will-give-you-10000-if-you-can/ << 10k srsly ? it'd better be bitcoin. |
13:21 |
assbot |
Want to Disprove Man-Made Climate Change? A Scientist Will Give You $10,000 if You Can | TheBlaze.com |
13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, want to disprove tardstalk scam of the week ? nobody will give you 10 bitcents if you can ha-ha! |
13:22 |
pankkake |
I'll give 10000 BTC to the first person to disprove the existence of the Space Elephant |
13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
rithm: ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this <<< was it more than a car ? |
13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake stop being unscientific!11 |
13:24 |
chetty |
mircea_popescu, I was amused at the great scientist asking folks to prove a negative :P |
13:24 |
pankkake |
can we have a 20 year bitbet against global warming? |
13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty and then they wonder why i keep saying stupid === poor. |
13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake if youy put 10k down on it |
13:26 |
moiety |
pankkake: elephants are scared of mice. galactic space mice (http://history.nasa.gov/animals.html) mean you will never find an elephant in space. i think this counts. |
13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
give the girl 10k. |
13:26 |
|
Bet created: "Amazon stock to close at over $350 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/965/ |
13:27 |
pankkake |
thankfully you didn't say 10k of what :) |
13:27 |
moiety |
i would accept 10k manuls |
13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google 10k manuls |
13:28 |
gribble |
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13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
fail. |
13:28 |
pankkake |
yeah, google always manuals me when I want manuls :( |
13:28 |
davout |
servfail. |
13:28 |
punkman |
10k gold manuls, would be nice |
13:29 |
mircea_popescu |
reading the logs, you bunch have been at this "let's fuck up dns" for a while by now huh |
13:30 |
rithm |
i should specify indirectly huh |
13:30 |
rithm |
like th rig is for sale at halorig.com and you can with btc |
13:30 |
rithm |
the camera was drop ship otc trade |
13:30 |
rithm |
and so forth |
13:31 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: "we heard you like dns, so we put a dns server in your dns server ..." |
13:31 |
rithm |
mircea_popescu you actually read the logs? |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
rithm every day since 2012. |
13:31 |
rithm |
i'm gonna start trolling you when you are afk pretty hard |
13:31 |
rithm |
now that i know this |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot rithm |
13:31 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user rithm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=rithm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rithm | Rated since: Tue May 6 14:03:45 2014 |
13:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
there's a penalty for polluting rithm |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
careful leetal grasshopper :D |
13:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
assbot will fine you |
13:32 |
rithm |
a penalty |
13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
a penal tit |
13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google penal tit |
13:32 |
gribble |
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13:32 |
rithm |
i love to be tied up and flogged |
13:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
so the Titan coins were loaded like instantly |
13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
/htm/ is such a good directory to have. |
13:32 |
rithm |
so evil nick highlighting discouraged or outright banned? |
13:33 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google big tits rosebudding |
13:33 |
gribble |
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13:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
and i emailed asking about gold ones cuz the website says out of stock |
13:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
but they have 30 |
13:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
so i'ma get some |
13:33 |
rithm |
i have one ThickAsThieves |
13:33 |
rithm |
it is shiny |
13:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
yep |
13:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
i figure i want a lil gold anyway |
13:34 |
rithm |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuoB5aVP4gA |
13:34 |
assbot |
Titan One Gold (Titan AU) - YouTube |
13:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
such slideshow! |
13:34 |
rithm |
my phone now does those for me |
13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c: how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p << how do you fit a girl in a lightbulb ? |
13:35 |
rithm |
these new phones are magic |
13:35 |
rithm |
like i can take a few pics and select a theme and boom slideshow |
13:35 |
rithm |
works with video too |
13:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
you can take the girl out of the lightbulb, but ya cant take the lightbulb outta the girl |
13:36 |
pankkake |
assetters would simply declare that light is a scam |
13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what <<< mike_c i think we should cater to this guy :D |
13:36 |
pankkake |
"For the record, a boatload of neckbeards doesn't pay for one single financier. This because tech people actually are humanly inferior to money people. They're less of a person." |
13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake i'll have to revisit that nao that nasdaq wants to join teh fray :D |
13:37 |
mike_c |
yes. sleepy bettors will be accomodated. |
13:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
13:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
it gets weirder tho |
13:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
the address i bet from |
13:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
isnt in my wallet |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
13:38 |
pankkake |
are you using bitcoin-qt? it doesn't list change addresses |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
remember that guy a year or so ago threatening to kill kako's plushie toys |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
because we stole his moneyz!!! |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
and then his address wasn't even on the bet ? |
13:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
yeah pankkake, that must be it |
13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
$depth d.bpay |
13:39 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: [D.BPAY] Bids: |
13:39 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: [D.BPAY] Asks: 900 @ 0.23999999 |
13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
$depth d.btgo |
13:39 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: [D.BTGO] Bids: |
13:39 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: [D.BTGO] Asks: 1000 @ 0.05249970 |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
if anyone wishes to invest... |
13:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
major oversight in WoL |
13:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
trollbox |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c : add a webirc link to #wol in the page ? |
13:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
imo it should be in the same window |
13:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
think of the WoL Community man |
13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
who ? |
13:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
13:47 |
FabianB |
$traded |
13:48 |
empyex |
FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: D.BPAY F.MPIF S.MPOE |
13:48 |
pankkake |
!t m d.bpay |
13:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC) |
13:48 |
pankkake |
:o |
13:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.0005234 = 1.0468 BTC [+] |
13:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21519 @ 0.00083149 = 17.8928 BTC [+] {2} |
13:56 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/25/no-do-not-dencentralize-everything/ |
14:07 |
|
Bet created: "Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/966/ |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake scamveloper works |
14:11 |
mircea_popescu |
sorta the confluence of scammer, eloper and developer |
14:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.0008285 = 2.9826 BTC [-] |
14:12 |
pankkake |
did not think of eloper |
14:12 |
mircea_popescu |
:p |
14:12 |
mircea_popescu |
you blew a link tho |
14:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/%3Eexchanges%3C/a%3E,%20%3Ca%20href= |
14:12 |
assbot |
Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
14:12 |
pankkake |
I have another post coming :D I've deciced against a third by inserting it in the second |
14:13 |
pankkake |
indeed… I've crapped on most of my hrefs while writing too |
14:13 |
pankkake |
another reason I want to switch out of wordpress: writing HTML |
14:14 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Police_ID_suspect_in_Philadelphia_gun_range_robberies.html |
14:14 |
assbot |
Police seek suspect in Philadelphia gun range robberies |
14:14 |
FabianB |
hm. doesn't nasdaq close in points and not in usd? |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
i write html in wp |
14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
FabianB ya |
14:15 |
FabianB |
mircea_popescu: 20:07 <+[]bot> Bet created: "Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/966/ |
14:15 |
assbot |
BitBet - Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014 :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 99`997 (100`000 to 1) |
14:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6136 @ 0.00082822 = 5.082 BTC [-] {2} |
14:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12414 @ 0.0008261 = 10.2552 BTC [-] {3} |
14:24 |
BingoBoingo |
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=140327616811443&w=2 |
14:24 |
assbot |
'Re: compare memcmp with 0' - MARC |
14:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0419997 = 0.84 BTC [-] |
14:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.042 = 0.798 BTC [+] |
14:39 |
davout |
pankkake: "Now some guy now wants to decentralize decentralized version control." <<< Oo |
14:49 |
punkman |
http://news.yahoo.com/solar-roadways-210149010.html |
14:49 |
assbot |
Crowdfunding campaign raises $2.2M to build solar roadways - Yahoo News |
14:50 |
Namworld |
Re what I was talking about the other day concerning provably fair systems. To be fair, most casinos do the same thing re providing new server seeds after user's seed. |
14:50 |
Namworld |
So I'll probably do a public campaign concerning all venues. |
14:51 |
Namworld |
So I got some stuff written, concerning logic behind it and proposed change to such systems. |
14:51 |
Namworld |
Here's what I have thus far: http://pastebin.com/bQj4fSht |
14:51 |
assbot |
Provably Fair System - Pastebin.com |
14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld you need a blog |
14:52 |
Namworld |
I don't have one. Don't think I write often enough to attract any kind of regular audience regardless. |
14:53 |
punkman |
I want to make a nice provably fair baccarat game. Get all those chinese bitcoins. |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
1. Client changes the seed after each new server seed, before every bet. He doesn't know server seed, so seed he provides should give a random number. (Painfully tedious, few actually do it, but for those who do, provably fair.) << prolly a bot that does this would be useful. |
14:53 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.govexec.com/federal-news/fedblog/2014/06/epa-employees-told-stop-pooping-hallway/87223/ |
14:53 |
assbot |
EPA Employees Told to Stop Pooping in the Hallway - Fedblog - News - GovExec.com |
14:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00082949 = 4.5622 BTC [+] |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld stop being stubborn. if you put up text like that you need a blog. how's someone going to comment on it for instance ? how's someone coming in 1 year know what was already commented ? |
14:54 |
Namworld |
Yes, it should indeed be a requirement to have such an external tool for current venues. |
14:54 |
Namworld |
mircea, I'll probably just post it on the gambling forum where it is relevant and let people pitch in. |
14:55 |
Namworld |
At least there's a large, targeted audience there. |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess also |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman i never got bacarrat, but you know what might be a good idea ? |
14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
a museum of gambling site |
14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
play all the games that meanwhile died, from ancient egypt and fenicia to chemin-du-fer |
14:56 |
punkman |
not bad |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld "No, you wouldn't be able to notice that the website, across all players, has a much higher house edge than 1% which is unlikely. It's easy to fill with fake "lucky" account to compensate " << you could notice it over your own experience. |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
jd for instance allows you to run 0 bet sampling rounds of infinite size. |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
or should i say allowed. |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
but anywqay, this entire paper is not about server cheating, it's about how "if you're lazy and stupid you might lose". sure. as it should be. let people make proper betting bots with seeding per bet |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
and yes jd was correctly implemented. |
15:00 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/25/bitcoin-is-not-a-payment-network/ |
15:01 |
mircea_popescu |
the coinroll "end of the day disclosure" method is also acceptable. it may be open to abuse for low volume sites (based on finding hash collisions, much in the same way mining works) but doesn't seem too practical |
15:01 |
mircea_popescu |
client's last deposit tx is good, and a lot of space in there in the block in case it's needed. |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
i still say you should make a blog. |
15:02 |
Namworld |
It doesn't help much if the system is targetting accounts with large balance and stops cheating after a small sample/when the large balance isn't making large bets. |
15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
this is true |
15:03 |
Namworld |
They could steal a few thousands extra BTC on large bets which might not seem too odd until it's too late. |
15:03 |
Namworld |
Would also be costly to attempt to verify by betting. |
15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bitbet-us-scammers-ignore-delivered-bfl-products.114047/ |
15:04 |
assbot |
bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products | Bitcointa.lk |
15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
lol epic |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld do you see why the jd "show on request" model is slightly stronger for fairness than the "fixed time disclosure" ? |
15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake "Then there is services like" there are. |
15:09 |
Namworld |
How is it stronger for fairness? Server seed provided prior to client seed. |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
let me show you a model. |
15:09 |
pankkake |
I thought about it, and decided "there is" was the correct form, as I am saying "services like this exist" |
15:09 |
Namworld |
Sure |
15:10 |
pankkake |
but maybe I am confused about the grammar |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
you are yes. |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld suppose site switcxhes at 1 btc. so : |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
server seed is "A". 0.1 btc comes in, is calculated. wins or loses. |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
0.2 btc comes in, idem calculated. |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
at this point, server is also mining, and knows that hash "B" would also be consistent with the history so far. |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, either "A" or "B" would give the 0.1 and 0.2 bets same results. |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
1.2 btc bet comes in. server looks at results, A wins, B loses. server picks its hash as B and reconstructs the merkle tree |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
now, if you know when the hash will have to be revealed, this is possible |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
if hash may be revealed at any random point, this is suddenly problematic |
15:12 |
Namworld |
There's a single server seed for all users for the day... with its hash predisclosed. It would be pretty much impossible to reasonably find another seed that matches the hash... |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
the absolutely ideal system, imo, would be a server that used the same secret for ALL PLAYERS and reset it (for all players) at any player's request. but this poses problems for anon players. |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a conundrum |
15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld a you also predisclose the hash ? |
15:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
pankkake why do you lie to us http://www.coindesk.com/intuit-merchants-accept-bitcoin-paybycoin-service/ |
15:13 |
assbot |
Intuit Lets Merchants Accept Bitcoin With New 'PayByCoin' Service |
15:13 |
Namworld |
Yes, there's a list with months of secrets' hashes provided upfront. |
15:13 |
Namworld |
Like JD provides the server's seed hash. |
15:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
(intuit is what most small businesses and more use for acconting in US) |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld a ok nm then, it's quite strong |
15:14 |
Namworld |
Here: https://coinroll.com/files/secrethashes.txt |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
"Now some guy now wants" pankkake must proof moar omg |
15:14 |
Namworld |
That and we don't provide a default client seed, we use the blockchain transaction ID of the last deposit. |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld ya that part is very good. |
15:15 |
Namworld |
So by default all players should be covered correctly |
15:15 |
Namworld |
No work to do on the user's part, other than verification. |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld why is that txt not signed ? |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
and also it's a fine example of what'd go into the bitcoin-assets registrar of deeds. |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
was someone working on that ? |
15:16 |
pankkake |
this is why I usually don't publish after writing, but hey… |
15:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
The BA Registrar & Brokerage House & Auto Parts |
15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
15:17 |
Namworld |
Not sure, would probably be best for list to be signed. |
15:17 |
Namworld |
Jurov would have to look into that. |
15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld if you want i can sign it for you. then whoever wants to say you changed it will also have to say i signed a new version. |
15:19 |
Namworld |
If you're willing to do so, it would be great. Don't forget to include date. |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
alrighty. |
15:20 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: waste some money - http://www.proofofexistence.com/about |
15:20 |
assbot |
Proof of Existence |
15:20 |
Namworld |
I trust jurov not to lose/have list of secrets compromised. Although list/signatures might need to be updated if Coinroll is sold again to another party or list is compromised. |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork youll have to search for that term :D |
15:21 |
Namworld |
A date with signatures shows when it was acknowledged to be changed. Such that none can claim a specific change occured prior to that date. |
15:21 |
Namworld |
Maybe dooglus would be willing to sign the list too. |
15:21 |
Namworld |
2 strong parties to sign, along with jurov as the owner. |
15:21 |
Namworld |
Should be sufficient. |
15:22 |
pankkake |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665403.0 |
15:22 |
assbot |
Why Do You Invest? |
15:23 |
dignork |
mircea_popescu: irony detector fails me today, the link was about provable timestamping, for you gpg sig on Namworld text |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=proofofexistence |
15:24 |
assbot |
3 results for 'proofofexistence' - #bitcoin-assets search |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/coinrolltxt.asc |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake it's not you is it ? |
15:30 |
pankkake |
no, it's the infamous crumbs |
15:30 |
Namworld |
Thank you very much. |
15:31 |
Namworld |
I'll ask dooglus if he can do the same. Jurov or wao can publish both signed text files on the verification page. |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
15:32 |
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Bet created: "Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer to be Yahoo CEO no more" http://bitbet.us/bet/967/ |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
what's crumbs infamous for again ? |
15:32 |
pankkake |
trolling Legitimate Bitcoin Companies |
15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
lol k |
15:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04747994 = 0.7122 BTC [-] {2} |
15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
"A more formalized version of this should be linked/appended to every single IPO offering on the forums as a cautionary tale. " |
15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, totally, let's ban mpoe-pr for doing it :D |
15:35 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-starts-deploying-cloud-mining-customers-waiting-monarchs/ |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
oggnasty : "Valuing these offerings over time in BTC is idiotic..." |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
herpderp. |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
"You ask why people invest... Let me answer that for you as I have decades of experience providing analysis to investors... " |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
o brother. |
15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
o wait. I'm lambchop ?! |
| |
↖ |
15:38 |
pankkake |
so altcoin hashrate is basically one KnC Neptune |
15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
3th or so no ? |
15:38 |
pankkake |
yes |
15:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00082742 = 4.3026 BTC [-] |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. like 6k usd total investment. |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
or about 10 btc. while a block is worth about 5k-10 satoshi |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
so you'd have to find 100k blocks or thereabouts to break even |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
(did i fuck up my math ?) |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/#comment-101734 fixed link nao can has pingback |
15:42 |
assbot |
Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
"Bitcoin with an infinite but reasonable inflation would not be so different." |
15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
what the fuck does that mean |
15:45 |
pankkake |
I agree the formulation isn't ideal. I mean, what if block reward was 1 BTC forever |
15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
but you're right, the only current business of pseudo-bitcoin businesses a la coinbase, bitpay etc is that they're benefiting from a legal inefficiency, where exchanges that admit it are being fucked actively, whereas exchangesd that pretend to be paymernt processors aren't fucked quite as bad quite as yet. |
15:46 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake that is matematically equivalent to "each block is its own sort of halving" |
15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
in theory it should make no difference. |
15:47 |
pankkake |
yes. but even yearly fixed inflation wouldn't be that bad imho |
15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, i like your newfound activity. |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
well imho based on what ? |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
This blog is the inalienable property of the greatest mind the universe ever had, and is ever going to have. Its contents are licensed under a Creative Commons License. |
15:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04200184 = 0.588 BTC [-] {2} |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
I encourage you to visit the links: the profiles section will help you in your daily worshiping of myself, while the other sections will allow you to experience the productions of some other great minds. However, you will come to the inevitable conclusion that Im better than all of them combined. |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
hahaha srsly ?> |
15:49 |
pankkake |
I think predictable money supply is the most interesting property |
15:49 |
pankkake |
of course, Bernankoin has somewhat predictable money supply and is worthless by design |
15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
actually i think something else is the most interesting property, and sorta too lazyto write blogpost |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
actually looking at http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ ... 60 posts past two weeks ? |
15:54 |
assbot |
Assets Assimilated |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
quite the vibrant little community we got here. there's even a manul in a treehouse! |
15:56 |
pankkake |
and many new blogs |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
like 3 posts / head i tcomes to |
16:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.0478897 = 1.6761 BTC [+] {2} |
16:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00082568 = 43.761 BTC [-] {4} |
16:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00082405 = 14.5857 BTC [-] {2} |
16:23 |
kakobrekla |
;;bc,stats |
16:23 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 307808 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 639 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 17 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16689850735.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.97216 |
16:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.0478 = 1.0038 BTC [-] |
16:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0478 = 0.717 BTC [-] |
16:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008229 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2} |
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16:54 |
mthreat |
http://bakerlaw.com/alerts/bitcoin-investment-vehicles-beware-the-sec-is-watching |
16:54 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Investment Vehicles Beware The SEC is Watching | BakerHostetler |
16:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.0008293 = 11.3614 BTC [+] {2} |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/06/19/daniellemaye-30789/images/full/05.jpg |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
dem shoes |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
mthreat all this "we gotta say something and we have no idea what to say so here's a collection of copypasted material with filler" shit... |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
fiat people : stop trying to pretend bitcoin is fiat. bitcoin is not fiat. more importantly, your expiration date is in the past. |
17:05 |
rithm |
evoorhees according to that article left 5100BTC positive and $50,000 usd negative in fines |
17:05 |
rithm |
which sounds like a terribll terribly punitive slap on the wrist |
17:06 |
rithm |
but yeah that regurgitated |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
rithm the misguided pretense as to jurisdiction is starting to get on my nerves. sec doesn't actually make it, but all sorts of dr foreskin lapdogs fall over each other to "create consensus" |
17:09 |
rithm |
if you can tell them to fuck off, and trendon can lie to them and destroy evidence, and erik can keep all his bitcoins and fay a minor usd fine..... |
17:09 |
rithm |
nm i decided not to finish that sentence |
17:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00083085 = 6.4806 BTC [+] |
17:10 |
rithm |
also aparently the IRS only keep backup tapes for 6 months |
17:10 |
mircea_popescu |
well that depends. if it suits them, they only keep them for 6 months. |
17:11 |
rithm |
that's what i learned |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise, you're "legally required" to keep the records for... ever. |
17:11 |
rithm |
why have i been filing these taxes and keeping these papers for so long if I can just say "i dunno" |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i so wouldlike to see someone grow some fucking balls and argue in court that they're not hold to do anything the irs wants because well... the irs doesn't follow the law. |
17:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
"As we have capacity available and as we gain more capacity, we will be activating more people in Cloud Mining. As we ship out hardware and disable the people with Cloud Mining after they have their hardware shipped, we will allocate that capacity to the next people in line. " |
17:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
BFL, the hits keep coming |
17:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
they are giving people rented hash shares instead of shipping their hardware |
17:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
pretty awesome stuff |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
please keep buying shit at par, we'll give you rented hashes for 5% six months later |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
the gigavps method |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile the sec is too fucking snotty to actually get to work at strangling these idiots. |
17:18 |
rithm |
mircea_popescu, even better rent the burn-in period as "cloud hashing" |
17:18 |
rithm |
it's really all the same |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
!up felipelalli |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
"burn-in" lol |
17:19 |
rithm |
basically you could operate a pool of anonymous miners that constantly roll-over and get shipped to customers |
17:19 |
rithm |
as part of a lrger operation |
17:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00083085 = 2.7418 BTC [+] |
17:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
'How much of a threat is something like Bitcoin?' "We settle and pay out in 121 currencies ... once bitcoin is regulated ... why wouldn't we use bitcoin ... if it's regulated as a currency" ~ Western Union CEO |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
truth is bitcoin is exactly going to kill them. western union has a market made out of illiterate peasants and assimilated non-persons, which is not really worth serving per se, |
17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
and a market of "hackers" let's say, ie, the sons and daughters of said iliterate peasants. who will just move to bitcoin. |
17:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
Aereo lost huh |
17:25 |
pankkake |
WU is used for many scams, so they are truly in competition with Bitcoin |
17:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
"The 17 most important things Google announced at I/O" lol |
17:26 |
rithm |
i've seen WU operate in poor countries |
17:26 |
rithm |
it's a monopoly |
17:27 |
rithm |
i should say 3 |
17:27 |
mthreat |
it's kinda like western union saying they won't use the internet until it's regulated |
17:27 |
rithm |
"countries" sounds like a lot |
17:27 |
rithm |
but i've seen them in mexico, the vigin islands, and western samoa |
17:27 |
rithm |
there's a WU on every block |
17:28 |
pankkake |
well that's what they're selling. send money, everywhere |
17:28 |
pankkake |
perhaps the real competitor is localbitcoins |
17:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
"There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin, increasing the risk there could be inconsistencies in the financial reporting of bitcoin transactions. The lack of accounting rules means the coin will be accounted and reported using the most appropriate standards that exist making it challenging to compare GAAP between different companies |
17:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
transacting in bitcoin. Investors should carefully watch and judge the reporting to make sure they understand, and agree, with management’s view." Moodys |
17:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
Name of the Day: Perianne Boring, of Boring & Company |
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17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
somebody failed to read up on the nz0 |
17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
who was it ? |
17:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00082231 = 6.2496 BTC [-] |
17:52 |
bitcoinpete |
pankkake davout do either of you boys know anyone at the "house of bitcoin" in paris? |
17:52 |
pankkake |
I think davout does |
17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
No results found for "There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin". |
17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
someone gotta up their googlefu |
17:53 |
bitcoinpete |
pankkake: heh cool |
17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/offtopic-abandoning-bitstamp/ < pankkake wrong link ? |
17:53 |
assbot |
Page not found | Bitcoin Trading Signals |
17:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
mp the quote was not from PR |
17:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
internal data sheet |
17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
"The poorly thought trust system also highly favor said organization" favors. cause singular. |
17:54 |
pankkake |
I think he removed the post |
17:54 |
bitcoinpete |
a "bitcoiner" i know from calgary is in paris atm and headed to the house of bitcoin |
17:54 |
bitcoinpete |
apparently they knew yours truly from twitter and -assets |
17:55 |
bitcoinpete |
was curious if any of the house of bitcoiners were here |
17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves internal to whom ? |
17:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Sector Comment" looks like an internal newsletter or somesuch |
17:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
it has a "Rate this Research" button on the bottom, so i'm guessing itll be on their website somewhere |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
right but i mean of whom or what or in general, who needs to be hit over the head with the observation that the bitcoin space has had a gaap for years and they're being ignorant. |
17:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
just because scammers don't use gaap in fiat too doesn't give ignoramuses aspiring to comment the right to pretend gaap doesn't exist, or its use isn't legally mandatory. |
17:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's by Jason Cuomo, Senior Accounting Analyst & Jeffrey Berg, Senior Vice President |
17:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
Production Associate, Srinivasan Raghavan |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
there's about 50 diff lawyers of that name. anyway. |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
is this some sort of webcast ? |
17:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
i have ph# if you really want it |
17:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
no it's pdf from a friend that knows a guy at Moodys |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
finding the source link to a quote has never been this difficult |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
a. well then i guess friend can see the log or w/e. |
17:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
Report Number: 167942 |
18:00 |
thestringpuller |
girls just wanna have fuuuun |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway this aereo thing is going to cause problems in the future. |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
Why should any of these technological differences matter? Breyer wrote. They concern the behind-the-scenes way in which Aereo delivers television programming to its viewers screens. They do not render Aereos commercial objective any different from that of cable companies. |
18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
"we decided not to go by what things are, but by what things seem to us" is nothing but an open invitation to be scammed. |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
It is not the role of this court to identify and plug loopholes, Scalia wrote. It is the role of good lawyers to identify and exploit them, and the role of Congress to eliminate them if it wishes. << i could see scalia as bitcoin chief justice. |
18:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
he's said some crazy shit though |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
like ? |
18:03 |
justusranvier |
It is the role of that court to present the peasants with the illusion of fair play and the rule of law so they don't revolt. They aren't doing a very good job. |
18:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
i forget exactly, we've discussed it here i think |
18:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=scalia |
18:03 |
assbot |
14 results for 'scalia' - #bitcoin-assets search |
18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier i dunno. as a compulsive reader of supreme court caselaw up until about the 70s i must say it was pretty good literature. |
18:04 |
justusranvier |
They used to do a much better job of maintaining the illusion. |
18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess that argument is always available. |
18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, bbl! |
18:06 |
justusranvier |
mircea_popescu: For when you get back: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm |
18:06 |
justusranvier |
Try not to let the atrocious web design detract from the content. |
18:07 |
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18:11 |
davout |
bitcoinpete: yeah, i know the guys and the place |
18:11 |
davout |
wai |
18:12 |
moiety |
someone tell me again why i run a site that attracts utter retardation on a frequent basis |
18:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7719 @ 0.00082254 = 6.3492 BTC [+] |
18:13 |
bitcoinpete |
davout seems they follow the action on -assets and know who i am, much to the surprise of a developer i know visiting paris |
18:13 |
dub |
wat is house of bitcoin? |
18:13 |
bitcoinpete |
it's a bit surprising to me too because most of those community-minded types wouldn't (and couldn't) touch -assets with a 10 ft stick |
18:14 |
davout |
dub: it's like a coworking space/atm spot/meetup place |
18:14 |
bitcoinpete |
dub my guess is an embassy/work space/community |
18:14 |
bitcoinpete |
right |
18:14 |
dub |
sounds like it should contain wax statues of scammers and retards |
18:14 |
bitcoinpete |
there's one in new york, tel aviv, montreal, etc |
18:15 |
bitcoinpete |
dub sorta |
18:15 |
bitcoinpete |
they should really just be here instead |
18:15 |
davout |
the guys are also behind the french "association bitcoin" |
18:15 |
bitcoinpete |
and no doubt they're pushing for merchant adoption. and regulation |
18:16 |
dub |
is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto |
18:16 |
davout |
dub: that sounds like redditspeak |
18:20 |
dub |
give a troll a break, trying to fill my quota here |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier lol that's quickly becoming one of the most loved b-a links |
18:24 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety cause you're new ? |
18:26 |
pankkake |
I googled "Bitcoin is not a payment network" and guess who I end up finding… MPOE-PR |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
surprise surprise |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
(but yes I said it first) |
18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
<dub> is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto << don't knock it, it's a splendid strategy. |
18:29 |
davout |
"(but yes I said it first)" <<< i think i said that in 2010 ;) |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
but since pankkake got me re-reading old things, yea, i like this fluffypony bit : |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
"That last point probably needs some elaboration. You see, #bitcoin-assets makes a distinction between being wrong and being stupid. If you are wrong about something the implication is (and should be) that you are self-aware enough to explain your reasoning well enough that one of three outcomes occur: those in conversation either come round to your point of view; or they agree that you have a valid l |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ine of reasoning and are entitled to hold that viewpoint; or your self-awareness and general level of intelligence allows you to change your opinion or view. Thus, being wrong (or having to defend your view) is encouraged!" |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
davout yeah but yours doesn't count because it was before mine! |
18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/9365/725/avatar92.jpg?1394547263 << tat avatar ? |
18:31 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpusbL62eB4&feature=kp |
18:31 |
assbot |
Orlando's - YouTube |
18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
btw, nigeria lost |
18:32 |
davout |
yo, playing france on the 30th |
18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
18:33 |
davout |
france vs. ecuador was such a fucking pain to watch |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
are they playing the women's french team ? |
18:34 |
bitcoinpete |
pankkake: are you on twitter? |
18:34 |
pankkake |
no |
18:34 |
bitcoinpete |
a ok |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
he threatened to kill trayvon martin |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
and got suspended |
18:35 |
bitcoinpete |
lol |
18:35 |
bitcoinpete |
just wanted to see if i could attribute your articles there |
18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
he has a blog |
18:36 |
pankkake |
funny though, friends randomly met some guy that knew me from what.cd, I have achieved mild internet celebrity |
18:36 |
bitcoinpete |
i doubt @headfucking is taken |
18:36 |
bitcoinpete |
ok confirmed now, it's free |
18:36 |
davout |
or takeable i'd assume |
18:36 |
pankkake |
I *had* a Twitter account but was never really active, and closed it years ago |
18:36 |
bitcoinpete |
mircea_popescu: agreed. blog > twitter |
18:37 |
davout |
hm, i guess @fuck is taken, so tis possibru |
18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
https://twitter.com/fuckme |
18:38 |
assbot |
The Watcher (fuckme) auf Twitter |
18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
dead since 2011 |
18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
roughly speaking the year twitter peaked. |
18:38 |
bitcoinpete |
pretty much |
18:39 |
bitcoinpete |
2010 seemed to be the coming out party |
18:39 |
bitcoinpete |
2011 was probably tops |
18:39 |
bitcoinpete |
and here we are, 3 years on. starting new blogs |
18:40 |
pankkake |
I had a blog when it was trendy to have one |
18:40 |
bitcoinpete |
lol donations! http://www.coindesk.com/adopt-node-project-aims-bolster-bitcoin-network-security/ |
18:40 |
assbot |
'Adopt a Node' Project Aims to Bolster Bitcoin Network Security |
18:40 |
bitcoinpete |
pankkake: and when was this? |
18:41 |
moiety |
i'm learning quick though mircea_popescu :] |
18:41 |
mircea_popescu |
:p remember kitten, one of the first things i said to you was wtf you doing with the doge |
18:41 |
pankkake |
my first post is probably 2004 |
18:41 |
moiety |
do yous remember the failed attampt at a bitcoin facebook? |
18:41 |
davout |
moiety: lol no, shoot |
18:42 |
moiety |
mircea_popescu: a question I have since repeated tomyself so many times. |
18:42 |
moiety |
davout, it was exactly the same as facebook but orange and had bitcoin symbols everywhere. i think it failed so badly, theytried to sell it and couldn't even pan it off |
18:42 |
pankkake |
wait I've been running a node for years, can I get paid?! |
18:43 |
pankkake |
or is it only funding nodes ran by the same guy (but decentralization!) |
18:43 |
bitcoinpete |
pankkake: running nodes, writing for your blog, everything should get you paid! |
18:43 |
pankkake |
actually, first post: September 2003 |
18:43 |
bitcoinpete |
solid |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
on reading http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/f-derp-short-risky-bitcoin-startups/2014/06/25 towards where it says "the log of the original discussion", am i the only one for whom that link comes as some sort of doge thing rather than a log linkj ? |
18:43 |
assbot |
F.DERP, A New Bitcoin Short-Only Hedge Fund Targeting Major Bitcoin Startups |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
somethign weird going on with overlays in there |
18:44 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake can you believe the braindamage ? |
18:45 |
TheNewDeal |
ok I have a stupid question. What happens if I have two vending machines that sit side by side and both accept bitcoin. Will people have to wait for 6 confirmations to receive goods, or is there some other way to receive their bitcoin safely? |
18:45 |
pankkake |
link is ok, thank god for noscript/requestpolicy/etc |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal at the size of your purchase you can prollylet them go on one confirm. who's gonna dblspend for a can of coke |
18:46 |
TheNewDeal |
friggin candy addicts |
18:46 |
pankkake |
do you think they will double spend to buy cheap food? in a physical location? |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
you got a better deal with this than with them putting in us quarters anyway. |
18:47 |
TheNewDeal |
ok what happens if I have a laundromat and the washer accept bitcoin. Someone finds out they can just come and get two loads for the price of 1, dry 2 loads for the price of 1, etc |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ya right,. |
18:47 |
justusranvier |
re: getting paid to operate nodes: http://sourceforce.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32467926/ |
18:47 |
assbot |
sourceforce.net |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
someone doing that much hash doesn't need your puny 5kw tumble drier |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
they got their very own 12 MW thing |
18:48 |
TheNewDeal |
do you need to hash at all? |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
18:48 |
TheNewDeal |
I thought you could just send 2 transactions before a block is mined |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
so you'd see the other one first ? |
18:48 |
TheNewDeal |
doesnt propagation take on the scale of minutes? |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
6 confirms (as opposed to 1 confirm) only matters if they are actively mining and attacking the chain |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
1 confirm (as opposed to 0 confirms) helps if they try to isolate you in the convey txn graph |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but this you can fight by keeping good peers. |
18:49 |
pankkake |
nodes shouldn't propagate the doublespent tx if they have the first, but of course it's not 100% reliable |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
it's about 96% reliable atm i think |
18:50 |
TheNewDeal |
couldn't any derp go to blockchain tho? |
18:50 |
TheNewDeal |
just use the doublespend feature |
18:50 |
pankkake |
you mean bitundo? |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
it';s not really all that trivial. |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody's doublespending your .85 bitcent stale sandwich |
18:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0163868 = 0.8193 BTC [+] {2} |
18:51 |
TheNewDeal |
more concerned about the laundry :D |
18:51 |
davout |
am i the only one to think it's actually stupid to not relay double spends ? |
18:51 |
mike_c |
this was explored exhaustively with satoshi dice. some serious gymnastics pulled it off with trivial amounts, and SD then reacted and closed that loophole as well. |
18:51 |
pankkake |
davout: I've read some interesting debates but I don't remember them |
18:51 |
TheNewDeal |
can I get a linky to their solution? |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, what mike_c said. |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
davout not really much diff. sort-of poisons you as it were. |
18:52 |
moiety |
davout: I can't find any screens of it. here's the logo https://bitcointa.lk/data/avatars/m/78/78316.jpg?1393513983 Bitcoin Socially it was called. |
18:52 |
mike_c |
the double spend had to do with making the SD tx ugly (lots of inputs), and double-spending with a fee. SD just started using fees and problem went away iirc. |
18:53 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: "sort-of poisons you as it were." <<< does not parse |
18:53 |
pankkake |
iirc the payment protocol (I know, right) can make propagating the transaction the responsibility of the merchant |
18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
davout type 1 (pick one tx, relay that) "poisons" the nodes that got the dblspend. type 2 (relay all) doesn't. |
18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
imo type 1 behaviour is better |
18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
but they don't make that much difference |
18:54 |
davout |
pankkake mircea_popescu i tend to think it's better to transparently relay both txes, so that they're much easier to detect if you care about them |
18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
well yeah. conversely, type 1 makes it obvious which nodes get poisoned |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
would you rather see the bad tx or the "bad" nodes ? |
18:55 |
davout |
i think it's easier to handle an obvious double spend than to keep track of 'good' vs. 'evil' nodes |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
seeing how blacklisting is still a thing, consensus kinda favoured current behaviour for good game theoretic reasons |
18:55 |
pankkake |
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3354 |
18:55 |
assbot |
Relay first-double-spend transactions by gavinandresen Pull Request #3354 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
it was argued this isn't so smart. but anyway |
18:58 |
Naphex |
anyone can recommend a easy tool to sign multi-sig transactions ? |
18:58 |
Naphex |
to pass to a noob to sign his stuff |
18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, node behaviour is going to be the major topic of 2015 i suspect. |
18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
they have no incentive (perhaps the best candidate for a satoshi oversight is not putting any incentive for tx relay at all) to behave properly and a lot of different types of misbehaviours necessarily include themn |
18:59 |
TheNewDeal |
why so |
19:00 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: "it was argued this isn't so smart." <<< i'd be interested in reading the argument |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
davout you're mostly rehashing it right now ? |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, salmon's here. bbl #2! |
19:02 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: thinking about it, i'm usually not very fond of arguments that nodes should behave a particular way, simply interested in the case against transparently relaying all legal txes, even if they are double spends |
19:05 |
TheNewDeal |
well what happens to a node that has a transaction and receives information about a double spend of that transaction? |
19:06 |
mike_c |
you mean what happens when a block is orphaned? |
19:06 |
TheNewDeal |
hmmm |
19:06 |
TheNewDeal |
i just started reading about this statoshi client today so forgive my ignorance http://coinchomp.com/2014/05/07/announcing-statoshi-realtime-bitcoin-node-statistics/ |
19:06 |
assbot |
Announcing Statoshi: Realtime Bitcoin Node Statistics - CoinChomp |
19:06 |
davout |
TheNewDeal: you don't double spend a transaction, you double spend an output, but other than that, nothing really until one of them gets into a mined block, more information can't really hurt |
19:07 |
TheNewDeal |
unless of course you're receiving an immediate service |
19:07 |
TheNewDeal |
isn't there something about nodes being banned for like 24 hours for bad behavior? |
19:09 |
TheNewDeal |
I'm just thinking in terms of my vending machine example |
19:09 |
TheNewDeal |
might be in full retard mode |
19:11 |
mthreat |
anyone loaded the blockchain into a graph database like neo4j? google released another graph database today, https://github.com/google/cayley |
19:11 |
assbot |
google/cayley GitHub |
19:11 |
davout |
mthreat: i know a guy that did if you're interdasted |
19:12 |
bitcoinpete |
on the bitbettery: http://trilema.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/#comment-101741 nao with fickst avatar! |
19:12 |
assbot |
The results of the World Cup experiment. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
19:12 |
davout |
TheNewDeal: i think what you're referring to is nodes banning some of their peers, you don't really ban nodes from the network |
19:12 |
TheNewDeal |
yes indeed |
19:13 |
mthreat |
davout: ya i'm kind of interested - any interesting results? |
19:13 |
TheNewDeal |
wasn't sure if it was considered bad behavior to propagate a double spent output |
19:13 |
dignork |
Naphex: if it's 2-3 multisig, check bitrated.com, it allows to use online generated keys, or just use pubkeys |
19:13 |
davout |
TheNewDeal: if you give some low value thing in exchange for a zero-conf tx, you might find it useful to immediately get the information that someone is attempting a double spend, rather than having the info cock-blocked |
19:14 |
davout |
mthreat: i didn't really dig, what kind of results are you after ? |
19:14 |
Naphex |
dignork: nah something custom, just sign a multisig with a privkey |
19:14 |
mthreat |
davout: nothing specific.. just seems like there could be some interesting stuff, watching the flow of coins |
19:15 |
dignork |
Naphex: https://github.com/spesmilo/sx then |
19:15 |
assbot |
spesmilo/sx GitHub |
19:15 |
davout |
mthreat: have you read the paper from adi shamir and dorit ron? |
19:15 |
mthreat |
davout: yeah |
19:16 |
Naphex |
the yeah i know sx, but needed something to give to a noob. who won;t be able to command line it:P |
19:16 |
bitcoinpete |
;;later tell mircea_popescu which trilema article featured this dood ? seem to recall seeing mr. wonderful there at some point http://www.businessinsider.com/chen-guangbiao-lunch-cash-giveaway-2014-6 |
19:16 |
assbot |
Chen Guangbiao Lunch Cash Giveaway - Business Insider |
19:16 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
19:16 |
Naphex |
but i'll probably write something simple to sign it |
19:16 |
davout |
mthreat: so you know as much as i do ;) i'll put you in touch with the guy that did it if you want to implement sthg on your side |
19:17 |
mthreat |
davout: ah.. no that's ok.. thanks |
19:17 |
davout |
Naphex: you apparently haven't learned the "don't give people bitcoins if they ain't educated enough to handle them themselves" lesson heh? |
19:20 |
Naphex |
davout: just need em to sign a transaction once in a while |
19:21 |
thestringpuller |
davout: hah. but if those people make us look better. |
19:24 |
davout |
Naphex: maybe an idea would be for them to simply use the qt built-in console rather than a full-fledged terminal? |
19:25 |
Naphex |
davout: yep, but you need to make a json array with the redeemScript, inputs and script-pubkey |
19:25 |
Naphex |
which requires quite some manual work |
19:25 |
Naphex |
would probably be easier with bash and terminal |
19:26 |
Naphex |
then with current bitcoin-cli multisig |
19:26 |
dignork |
Naphex: you can show them full json on site/send by email w/e |
19:26 |
Naphex |
yeah - will probably just write some simple tool |
19:27 |
Naphex |
put raw transaction in, + privkey sign it |
19:27 |
Naphex |
i create transaction and just pass it |
19:29 |
Naphex |
probably even simplify and use lotsa scrypt rounds and use a password to gen priv key |
19:29 |
Naphex |
then they can just sign with password |
19:30 |
dignork |
Naphex: look at bitrated.com, they did it properly, and their code is on github |
19:31 |
dignork |
actually they - shesek, you can talk to him |
19:31 |
Naphex |
its no problem, was just looking for a already made tool |
19:32 |
dignork |
Naphex: there is also http://ms-brainwallet.org/ , but it's horribly wrong |
19:32 |
assbot |
Multi-Signature Brainwallet - JavaScript Client-Side Bitcoin Address Generator |
19:32 |
Naphex |
dignork: thx, haven't seen this one before |
19:33 |
Naphex |
only the outcast one which looked to only work with its own privkeys |
19:33 |
Naphex |
dunno why the hell |
19:33 |
Naphex |
dignork: lol, ms-brainwallet doesn't look right needing both keys :) |
19:33 |
dignork |
yeah, braindead |
19:34 |
dignork |
it was a POC code I assume |
19:34 |
Naphex |
probably |
19:34 |
Naphex |
but kinda fits, what i was looking for is something where you input transaction, signed & composed by person A |
19:34 |
Naphex |
and person B can just sign it providing redemption + privkey |
19:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00082446 = 1.484 BTC [+] |
19:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.04765432 = 1.7632 BTC [+] {3} |
19:35 |
dignork |
yeah, but it expects two privkeys :) |
19:35 |
Naphex |
and the raw transaction is read only :P |
19:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0478 = 2.151 BTC [+] |
19:39 |
Naphex |
bitcoinjs looks to have multisig support |
19:39 |
Naphex |
maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that |
19:39 |
dignork |
Naphex: dealing with noobs, worst question is: how do I get a pubkey |
19:40 |
mike_c |
<+Naphex> maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that << famous last words? |
19:40 |
Naphex |
mike_c: its just for signing a transactions that is already composed and signed, multi sig also |
19:40 |
Naphex |
i wouldn't care much even if 2nd key got compromised, since the raw pre-signed transaction delivered is already composed |
19:41 |
mike_c |
"JavaScript-based cryptography" just sounds.. terrifying. |
19:41 |
Naphex |
i agree |
19:41 |
Naphex |
but for signing a multisig not that bad |
19:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00082446 = 5.5239 BTC [+] |
19:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/9365/725/avatar92.jpg?1394547263 << tat avatar ? /// I think it's my disqus avatar |
19:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
never forget! |
19:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it /// until someone makes some AirbndUberApp that makes doublespending a crowdgoal or whatever |
19:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.0008244 = 1.319 BTC [-] |
19:58 |
Naphex |
gn |
20:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.04455639 = 0.5792 BTC [-] {4} |
20:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19231 @ 0.00082318 = 15.8306 BTC [-] {3} |
20:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00082204 = 9.9878 BTC [-] |
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20:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19819 @ 0.00082356 = 16.3221 BTC [+] {2} |
20:58 |
mod6 |
%d |
20:58 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 382007.64 in 1850 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -25.32 |
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21:16 |
moiety |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/new-creationist-museum-explains-how-noah-managed-to-fit-dinosaurs-on-the-ark-9552108.html |
21:16 |
assbot |
New creationist museum explains how Noah managed to fit dinosaurs on the ark - Weird News - News - The Independent |
21:17 |
TheNewDeal |
nice |
21:18 |
TheNewDeal |
was wondering how he did dat |
21:20 |
TheNewDeal |
I'm getting really excited for this silk road auction. Can't wait to see how it goes down |
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21:40 |
benkay |
makes perfect sense, mo |
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21:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0008255 = 12.7953 BTC [+] |
22:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0444018 = 2.2201 BTC [-] {5} |
22:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0444 = 2.22 BTC [-] |
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22:21 |
Mats_cd03 |
why bring babies when you can bring a carton of dinosaur eggs |
22:21 |
Mats_cd03 |
DUH |
22:23 |
moiety |
ya, i am so glad they cleared that one up |
22:24 |
moiety |
i was marooned on the sofa for some time due to a rather fast large spider travelling around my livingroom floor |
22:30 |
bloctoc |
has anyone discussed how they decided to purchase 200BTC worth of BPAY? |
22:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's not THAT absurd, if you can afford it |
22:31 |
mike_c |
huh? looks like ~25btc |
22:32 |
TheNewDeal |
I think it's slightly absurd because the whole F.Derp is just in its beginning stages |
22:32 |
mike_c |
!t m d.bpay |
22:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC) |
22:32 |
bloctoc |
not saying it's absurd, it's a serious question. |
22:32 |
mike_c |
^ 25.00 btc |
22:33 |
bloctoc |
the detail page has 900 shares, the overview has 100 shares if I'm reading it right, then something's amis |
22:33 |
bloctoc |
s |
22:33 |
mike_c |
those are the shares mp is offering for sale |
22:33 |
mike_c |
he offered 1000, 100 have been bought |
22:33 |
bloctoc |
oh, got it. |
22:35 |
bloctoc |
25 BTC I can see not feeling too bad if you guess wrong. |
22:36 |
bloctoc |
but feeling good if you guess right |
22:36 |
bloctoc |
of course, it's probably more sophisticated than that |
22:38 |
benkay |
one might consider...hedging. |
22:39 |
TheNewDeal |
well BPay shares can be sold at a later date, no? |
22:40 |
bloctoc |
I don't see how anyone would be able to hedge bpay today |
22:41 |
bloctoc |
they would have to be sold at a later date since there are no buy orders yet. |
22:43 |
benkay |
D.BPAY or the actual shares? |
22:43 |
benkay |
what, hold btc's not a good enough hedge? |
22:44 |
benkay |
D.BPAY is a hedge against the fartup cirkus producing something with market value in the next year or w/e |
22:44 |
benkay |
bloctoc: |
22:44 |
bloctoc |
that's a bet, not a hedge |
22:44 |
TheNewDeal |
F.DERP is the hedge |
22:45 |
Mats_cd03 |
on the subject of bets, write a proper proposition and that can be your hedge. |
22:45 |
TheNewDeal |
against the group of derps |
22:45 |
Mats_cd03 |
problem solved |
22:45 |
Mats_cd03 |
thanks kako |
22:45 |
benkay |
buy F.DERP, buy D.*, ams hedged |
22:45 |
TheNewDeal |
F.Derp was made to short the basket of derps |
22:45 |
bloctoc |
proposition on bitbet you mean? |
22:46 |
Mats_cd03 |
yes |
22:46 |
TheNewDeal |
implied |
22:46 |
benkay |
yeah, F takes you short, D takes you long |
22:46 |
benkay |
hedging against their bringing something to market is betting that they do |
22:46 |
TheNewDeal |
the strange thing is how the D pays out |
22:47 |
benkay |
please correct me, bloctoc |
22:47 |
benkay |
what's strange about it, TheNewDeal ? |
22:47 |
bloctoc |
I thought S.MPOE was F.DERP and I don't see F.DERP Am I Right? |
22:47 |
TheNewDeal |
talked about it earlier |
22:47 |
TheNewDeal |
but the gist is this |
22:48 |
TheNewDeal |
in a theoretical scenario, a company pays for the worth of the startup |
22:48 |
TheNewDeal |
talking about an aquisition type here |
22:48 |
TheNewDeal |
so the stock of the acquirer shouldn't really change |
22:49 |
TheNewDeal |
Example was. If Bitpay is worth 1Billion usd, FB forks over 1 Billion USD, FB valuation stays same |
22:49 |
TheNewDeal |
in reality, FB stock is volatile, could potentially have a large shift in the 30 day period |
22:52 |
bloctoc |
benkay where did you discover F.DERP? |
22:52 |
thestringpuller |
!mpif |
22:52 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+] |
22:52 |
benkay |
bloctoc: logs |
22:54 |
bloctoc |
I see it - this whole hedging discussion makes sense now. thanks |
22:55 |
TheNewDeal |
bloctoc https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z |
22:55 |
assbot |
Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip |
22:56 |
benkay |
for a second i was hoping to learn something there :D |
22:57 |
benkay |
maybe mircea_popescu comes by later to school me |
22:58 |
TheNewDeal |
did my explanation make any sense about an acquisition type event? |
23:00 |
bloctoc |
you had me until "FB Stock is volatile". Meanwhile I understand the concept of hedging, I just didn't realize when I asked the question that there was such a thing as F.DERP |
23:01 |
benkay |
can't have puts without calls, etc |
23:01 |
bloctoc |
not legally anyway... |
23:02 |
Mats_cd03 |
uh... |
23:03 |
Mats_cd03 |
nothing to do with law, this is how it works |
23:03 |
bloctoc |
not legally where I live anyway.. |
23:03 |
benkay |
no no, the market just falls over with one and not the other |
23:03 |
benkay |
naked shorts bad, covered shorts good |
23:03 |
benkay |
going long without commensurate short options is cuh-fukken-razy |
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23:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.04285624 = 1.0714 BTC [-] {3} |
23:22 |
TheNewDeal |
Per the world cup article http://trilema.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/ . I think BitBet should allow zeroconf bets simultaneously on Yes and No, especially if they move to requiring a 2 BTC minimum. |
23:22 |
assbot |
The results of the World Cup experiment. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
23:23 |
TheNewDeal |
The site profits off total volume, not someone forking over a risky bet on one side |
23:27 |
TheNewDeal |
Also, why is it said that BitBet "fronts" .1 BTC on the bet? I thought they split .1 BTC, some portion going to the original bettor, and the other portion is a wager that will pay the site |
23:31 |
Mats_cd03 |
the bet is seeded. look at the first two wagers for each bet |
23:37 |
benkay |
;;later tell TheNewDeal you had it right the first time |
23:37 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
23:37 |
Mats_cd03 |
o...join leaves r disabled on my client ffs |
23:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04202638 = 2.1013 BTC [-] {6} |
23:46 |
benkay |
there's always tab-complete, Mats_cd03 |
23:46 |
benkay |
look who's joining us |
23:47 |
benkay |
hey baby doll |
23:47 |
benkay |
play me some jamz? |
23:47 |
Vexual |
i think kako might anuerism |
23:47 |
benkay |
eh, that's his problem |
23:51 |
Vexual |
yeah.. well |
23:51 |
benkay |
i guess yours then as well |
23:51 |
benkay |
kakos problems are all of our problems |
23:52 |
Vexual |
maybe so |
23:52 |
Vexual |
it might make it harder to bet not chinese on the ladies tennis |
23:56 |
benkay |
beer empty |
23:56 |
benkay |
going home |
23:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.0008239 = 63.6875 BTC [-] {2} |
23:59 |
Vexual |
syntax error |