#pest | 2023-02-02

afaict, ocpy's xorshift here, and maybe here.

05:49

and afaict, ocpy-relevant numpy Generator's choice() and integers() here, but an apparent pointless puzzle, as phf suggested.

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10:10

cgra: 'unfloating' imho a+++ idea

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asciilifeform will note tho that he did not have notion of stuffing lubyism decoder per se into fpga; rather, to use the latter as a pass-through packet filter, with regular comp receiving valid packets strictly

10:17

!q seen-anywhere shinohai

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dulapbot

shinohai last seen in #asciilifeform on 2022-11-30 14:36:28: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-11-30#1114242 << email received, did not unpeer but will dive in firther when back @ desk later.

10:17

hrm nm, asciilifeform's bot not eats foo[bar|baz|etc] properly

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11:05

http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021940 << first one is correct, xorshift1024_next is taken exactly from http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-01#1021924

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Logged on 2023-02-02 05:48:49 cgra[jonsykkel]: afaict, ocpy's xorshift here, and maybe here.

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Logged on 2023-02-01 22:33:46 phf[deedbot|awt]: i assume "xorshift1024" that they use is from this paper https://vigna.di.unimi.it/ftp/papers/xorshift.pdf, but i'm not quite sure what sort of magic scipy's generator use to e.g. produce Generator(…).random() or choice() or any other results

11:08

the second one is "jump" it lets you rotate the state equivalent to 2**512 individual generations. it is somehow used in parallel code…

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phf, right. couldn't immediately tell whether this 'jump' would end up being useful or not

12:56

http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021943 << valid signatures only or even broader validation? something that requires memory (like getdata flagging)?

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Logged on 2023-02-02 10:13:12 asciilifeform[4]: will note tho that he did not have notion of stuffing lubyism decoder per se into fpga; rather, to use the latter as a pass-through packet filter, with regular comp receiving valid packets strictly

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13:27

http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021796 << i do think there would be a market for that here with expats who [thought that they] escaped the totalitarian west

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Logged on 2023-01-30 14:29:45 signpost: billymg thinks there is an expat community in CR that may buy this type of product.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021803 << i'm in a similar mode currently. at some point towards the end of last year something finally flipped for me and i decided to fully embrace living on a farm/compound vs. the sort of "digital nomad" / "i'm just a tourist here" mindset i was stuck in before

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Logged on 2023-01-30 14:34:27 signpost: yep, would like to hear more thoughts from billymg. I'm still sorta in get fiats, convert to buttcorn, ammo, and land mode, but not impossible to persuade.

13:31

i've been getting my hands dirty with actual physical work on the property, just this morning finished tearing down some old wooden shelves in the bodega in preparation for a remodel (tons of fun doing so with a sledge hammer)

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021952 << nah, simply 'martian or not', i.e. iron anti-ddos pill

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Logged on 2023-02-02 12:56:12 cgra[jonsykkel|signpost]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021943 << valid signatures only or even broader validation? something that requires memory (like getdata flagging)?

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( will note, asciilifeform not expects to actually bake these, because not knows how to bake any iron whatsoever economically )

13:42

Logged on 2023-01-30 14:36:13 asciilifeform[5]: the unfortunate thing is that the only 'cheap' iron is likely to be whatever you currently have, + what's in scrapyard

13:43

http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021956 << actual farm, i.e. taking things to market ? (or simply home garden?)

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Logged on 2023-02-02 13:30:22 billymg[jonsykkel|awt]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021803 << i'm in a similar mode currently. at some point towards the end of last year something finally flipped for me and i decided to fully embrace living on a farm/compound vs. the sort of "digital nomad" / "i'm just a tourist here" mindset i was stuck in before

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1021954 << asciilifeform still wonders how many ~actually~ escaped, given observation 'where you actually live is where yer dough lives'

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Logged on 2023-02-02 13:27:49 billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021796 << i do think there would be a market for that here with expats who [thought that they] escaped the totalitarian west

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asciilifeform: i don't even have a home garden, only some chickens

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billymg: even here lotsa folx have these nao

13:48

yeah, i didn't mean i'm prepping for when the grocery stores close

13:48

cheap worm-to-food converter

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for one i don't think that will happen, and there are enough small farm operations in my area that i could probably barter with them

13:50

a, saw 'farm/compound', assumed > 'backyard chicken'

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asciilifeform: there was just so much that needed to be done, it was overwhelming, realized i would have to get involved myself. can't just hire idiot contractor and not know what they're doing

13:54

when i got up into one of the ceiling recently to run the wire for a security cam system realized how bad things can turn out when you just let the contractor do it

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asciilifeform personally not sees appeal of bananistan, after learned about prices, not only of real estate but extortionate import taxes, remailer fees, etc

13:55

de gustibus non est disputandum (tm) tho.

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asciilifeform: don't need bananistan, plenty of rural parts of the US where you could do this

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billymg is not trying to convince asciilifeform, already knows the 9001 reasons why he can't/won't

13:56

billymg: 'rural usa' tends to mean 'satellite net pipe' and (what can't buy from local farm) phood -- from lolmart

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asciilifeform periodically looks into subj

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billymg has cheap fiber here, believe it or not

13:57

iirc phf got it to work (tho didn't say how much time/dough spends on 'going to town' to resupply)

13:59

as asciilifeform understands, it only worx well 'as part of balanced diet' of actually socializing with the locals / building into meatwot

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asciilifeform: is what i'm doing now, and part of what i meant by no longer in the "digital nomad" / tourist mentality

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a.

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billymg: got new passport yet ?

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for instance, first remodeling project i did here pretty much just forked over dough to an expat, gave design direction, waited for result

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now i work with workers directly

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asciilifeform spent a great deal of time remodeling w/ hands.

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asciilifeform: passport in costa rica is only after 5-7 years

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asciilifeform: it's nice, i like doing it

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continuous?

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no, but in doses large enough for http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-05-31#1104372

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(asciilifeform) 2022-05-31 asciilifeform: juggling bits, interestingly, appears not to provide this basic nutrient. even on modern shitcomp, softs behave too much like ideal 'spherical horse' philosophical object, do not supply the needed contact with reality ( and, worse, dysfunctional in ways which ~actively promote~ insanity )

14:05

or did you mean for passport? in that case, yes

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can take trips, but some limit on how long you can be away from the us

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away from cr i mean

14:07

no one here cares about anything though, see e.g.

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Logged on 2023-01-09 13:55:41 awt: asciilifeform: I was in fact already stopped a few days after the limit. For some reason they let me off and gave me a fist bump.

14:07

so no real need for passport

14:09

where need passport ftr

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dulapbot

Logged on 2023-01-09 14:10:58 asciilifeform: awt: not only report, but this appears to be enuff of a headache for'em that in many places they simply tell you to fuckoff if you've only us passport.

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ah, not had that problem yet

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reich won't letcha outta their tax plantation unless you have new 1

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asciilifeform: that's true, still gotta file taxes every year

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not only file, but pay twice neh

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asciilifeform: to be fair though, i imagine you could even officially renounce, have it officially accepted, and still be shaken down at some later date if some bureaucrat is having a bad day and happens to notice you for whatever reason

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There is no Rule of Law™

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so why bother?

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see, e.g. the "liberty reserve" guy

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billymg: not heard of a documented case of this actually happening to date. tho obv not impossible

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(outside of cases where victim voluntarily returned to usa)

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signpost learned recently that can't renounce on behalf of one's child, lol

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1022006 << i don't pay taxes twice, no

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Logged on 2023-02-02 14:11:04 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|awt|deedbot]: not only file, but pay twice neh

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cr doesn't tax foreign sourced income

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billymg: iirc usa inmate Officially owes tax even if living off reservation

14:14

usa afaik the only jursdiction that does

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signpost: not your child, belongs to the 'village'

14:15

yup, beaten into one at every step of the journey.

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asciilifeform: right, but where's the "double"?

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billymg files taxes in the US with same accountant he was using when he resided there

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billymg: a, makes sense, not 'double' if cr not taxes foreign

14:16

how are the property taxes?

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from asciilifeform's pov, tho, 90% of the point of getting outta usa is to get outta their tax

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0.25% !

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signpost not in any rush, but might buy an exit option at some point.

14:17

hot damn

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1022013 << afaik only worx 1-way, 'roach motel'-style (can enlist child into usg slavery, but not take out)

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Logged on 2023-02-02 14:12:50 signpost: learned recently that can't renounce on behalf of one's child, lol

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unsurprise.

14:20

signpost: re: non-pozzed security system market, i haven't done any of the exploration legwork yet, so still just a hunch that there would be demand for it

14:20

can get her dual. kid's responsible for her own conscience from there. :)

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billymg: q is whether 'there's demand' at the price point where could actually make anyffin, rather than in abstract

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asciilifeform: right, that too

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https://github.com/OpenIPC << found this thing, and bought some cameras that purport to be supported. haven't had a chance to attempt reflash yet.

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( elementarily, there 'is demand' for damn near anyffin, if price is ~= lolmart's )

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but open firmware can be had, apparently.

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signpost: asciilifeform quite disillusioned with chinesium 'linux cameras', they crash

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(why? not found out)

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( and if anyone knows of 1 such where multi-yr uptimes, plox to post )

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awt

http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1022025 << see foreign earned income exclusion

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Logged on 2023-02-02 14:16:59 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|deedbot]: from asciilifeform's pov, tho, 90% of the point of getting outta usa is to get outta their tax

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awt: iirc the max exclusion is a pittance

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awt

112k is not a pittance me personally

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given 'the real inflation'(tm), will be in not too long

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awt

30k here, 25k there, pretty soon you're talking big numbers.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1022039 << will let ya know. no crashes out of this guy yet, but haven't paid close attention.

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Logged on 2023-02-02 14:22:00 asciilifeform[5]: signpost: asciilifeform quite disillusioned with chinesium 'linux cameras', they crash

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ideally would like to put an open firmware on one and have the thing take commands over pest (move, zoom, etc) and fart out video feed probably over fountain code. something like that.

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signpost: asciilifeform was thinking of some non-obv. applications (e.g. camera pointed at sumthing nonseekrit, or at least sumthing you wouldn't mind yer l1 seeing, as a pill against 'gestapo steals errything, confiscates camera hdd' etc

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)

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( in context of auto-p2pwarez, that is )

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Logged on 2022-12-28 18:58:31 asciilifeform[4]: hypothetically, if asciilifeform is in yer l1, you end up with a complete .../you/asciilifeform/*

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yep I'd participate in that. no problem with l1 being able to see me mowing the lawn, and thereby see if the pigs come blazing in without a warrant, etc.

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idea was moar of a 'l1-powered distributed backup disk' than 'they watch' but yes

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sure, that's useful too.

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prolly not so interesting w/out the shortwave replacement for reichnet, tho

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(atm 1st thing 'the pigs' do in an 'interesting' case is to cut yer net pipe)

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-01#1021937 << i managed to get same result with same seeds from Xorshift1024.random_raw() and own common lisp implementation

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Logged on 2023-02-01 23:56:16 phf[deedbot]: yeah, i got the seeds out of initialized Xorshift1024, and at this point i should be getting same number out of random_raw() as my lisp version, but no such luck

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this was not a complete waste of time, because involved porting c xorshift1024 to lisp and have it work correctly

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ah that's pretty cool.

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curious to see if your impl trounces mine in performance (which I hope!)

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should be very parallel friendly without python's limitations.

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which brought up an issue i've encountered before and never had a satisfying solution: there's no way to restrict lisp bit operations to produce direct rewrite of c code, without relying on non-portable hacks

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a non-portable solution (in sbcl/cmucl) is to crank up speed 3 safety 0, type annotate everything and then lisp will generate equivalent code that truncates values to specified types

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e.g. xorsfhit1024 becomes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=UZma, and it still generates garbage on that last multiply (it bignums and then truncates, i can't figure out how to make it use a int64bit version of *)

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-02-02#1022064 << i'm kind of hoping it'll outperform python single threaded, but seeing as how you use numpy all over the place maybe that won't be the case…

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