#pest | 2023-01-30

Logged on 2023-01-29 18:39:45 signpost: would sooner make sure ocpy works on dulap, for example, but you're on ???buntu

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-29#1021738 << thanks for this clarification. and your input was appreciated. perhaps a handful of braincells were properly re-oriented as a result

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Logged on 2023-01-29 18:39:08 signpost: what's miswired is a bunch of d00ds all using different sanctified versions of these things.

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fwiw, got ocpy running on my random-platform, and getting similar results to signpost's. and while not done looking yet, not expecting to find obvious improvements

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10:06

cgra: cool! what's the diff look like?

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I don't believe I personally have the resources (or inclination) to continuously backport security fixes to python 2.7.

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awt: yeah, I don't think anyone should.

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asciilifeform still curious what folx mean concretely by 'security fixes for python'

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( e.g. cve catalogues plenty of bugs in py libraries, but not afaik in the runtime per se )

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... loox liek there's this that'd fit the description, but is re ancient (i.e. < 2.7.7), even older than dulap's

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point's that it's not sane to take a longterm dependency on an object of python's complexity without also monitoring whether the thing's been owned. the one I saw was https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2014-1912/

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that this one happens to not apply to the old versions people have chosen is a matter of chance.

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linked above aha

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signpost uses all kinds of tools he'd like to deprecate in time.

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signpost: sadly this applies to erry 'kilometres of open sores' pile o'shit, not only python

14:19

bazel say, for builds in professional work.

14:21

I'm poking at this "sanctified wordpress version" unspoken ideological emanation of tmsr.

14:22

would be better to take a utilitarian approach and realize that we're gonna be sinning for a long time, sin less over time.

14:22

signpost: relatedly, was thinking re hypothetical 'fits-in-head iron pestron' appliance in re potential to cure the 'if it's networked, it's prolly pwned' affliction in a permanent way

14:22

yeah, I bought that fpga item with nic you mentioned a while back

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if can't cure the kid's immunological disease, bubbleboy engineering seems like next best

14:23

"my house isn't fire-proof, but my friends typically don't set fires in the living room"

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signpost: didja ever have a chance to 'hello world' it ? ( asciilifeform broke teeth chasing down the toolchain )

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not yet. most recent hardware fiddling was with some cameras I bought in re: discussion with billymg and others on possible non-bezos security systems.

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asciilifeform recalls thread re geophones. afaik still 0 konsoomer offerings re subj

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oughta mention that pest looks useful as a component of a physical security system for org with multiple sites

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and multiple observers

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signpost: the part where it doesn't care re ip addrs is an obvious win in said application imho

14:27

yep. potentially a way to johnny-appleseed pest nodes too.

14:27

internal side of the thing ends up serving up a chat interface to owner

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elaborate?

14:28

suppose you go installing these security systems for people. there's a hardware device you place at network edge at secure site, and at observer sites. that network edge device could also serve as a comms terminal for the operators.

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just stating obvious that both alarm alerts and human communication can happen over the same nodes

14:29

billymg thinks there is an expat community in CR that may buy this type of product.

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imho the most interesting part is that the protocol is simple enuff that it could be hardwareized (and fully de-vonneumanized) in readable implementation, potentially

14:30

worth talking about more here. I became disinterested with the project in thinking that there aren't many Americans that give a shit.

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pretty cool if so

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signpost: the critical lack of givers of shits re sane softs prolly aint going away

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ditto irons

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asciilifeform at one pt had naive notion that bitcoinism could change this, but in fact went in ~opposite~ direction, i.e. goxification, where the tards give even ~less~ shit

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yep, would like to hear more thoughts from billymg. I'm still sorta in get fiats, convert to buttcorn, ammo, and land mode, but not impossible to persuade.

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( and see also )

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cheap hardware comms device helps us all not die as well as this other idea, so good thing to pursue in either case.

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dulapbot

(asciilifeform) 2020-12-16 asciilifeform: cgra: i ought to make clear that i do not atm have any plans to mass-produce any kind of irons (beyond handful of prototypes for own use.) simply because it -- afaik -- cannot be done economically.

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the unfortunate thing is that the only 'cheap' iron is likely to be whatever you currently have, + what's in scrapyard

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errything else costs over9000 a la FG.

14:38

not to be a downer, but the obvious fact is there's probably not a lot of time.

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to say boot up a business or bake irons.

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aaha

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everybody decides the crash is over about 1/3 of the way in, then splat.

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and the last couple didn't have a looming world war.

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no reason to stop rowing though.

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while it's still possible to make custom irons at sumthing like reasonable cost, there are things that could be made. but afaik would have to be from ideological or immed. practical consideration, to 'biznis' it afaik is simply quick way to lose shirt.

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~nobody wants to pay the sort of dough that'd recover fixed dev cost, for ~anything nontrivial.

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1st casualty of civ collapse is anyone's ability to bake anyffin new, 'weird', or even any such thing doesn't help 1 illiterate club and eat anuther and in such a way that can be explained in 3 minutes

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it aint clear to asciilifeform that the folx in 'land & ammo' mode give half a rat's arse re throwing bits , 'securely' or otherwise (or even oughta)

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( if the bitcoin folx didn't, then who ? )

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* any such thing as doesn't ...

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http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-30#1090474

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(asciilifeform) 2022-03-30 signpost: I won't cry if all I get is a toast with my internet frens when I let y'all know I just saw the flash.

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"what's your strategy?" "why... luck! it's worked so far!"

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signpost bbl

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021767 << the kind of hack one'd likely expect

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Logged on 2023-01-30 10:06:55 signpost: cgra: cool! what's the diff look like?

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"py3.11 hashlib.file_digest() replacement, of the crudest kind" << lol!

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yeah, this is the kind of stuff I'd rather not obscure the code with, as the point of the code is to provide a reference for implementations in other languages

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hopefully reads like a description of the algo as much as possible, rather than ifdef soup

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really didn't take much, that said

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yeah, made a good practical demonstration to your earlier point

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-18#1020652 << This is not enough for me. I need more than superficial reasons to act from any cause.

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Logged on 2023-01-18 11:23:46 phf[deedbot]: *this* place is now a hangout spot for frens, and some people who i guess missed out on the original run and are in it for the various projects. projects that maybe continue in the vein of tmsr thought, but only in a superficial way

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Perhaps to my shame I find the lack of an MP to be demotivating.

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awt: wouldn't have guessed this, fwiw, from awt's output of mp era vs. current

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asciilifeform: yes up until the last year or so of tmsr I was an eater and secret blogger.

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Nonetheless in private I was spending vast amounts of time on things motivated by mp - learning ancient greek, for example.

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It is disappointing that by the time I dug myself out of the hole I was in, the thing went kaput.

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I am still working from the cause of sound money.

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that's what happens when you live for someone else.

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signpost grateful for the dunk back into tradition, and would've liked to see tmsr last longer.

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but was working on my own liberation before, during, and now after

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futility aside. because the answer to that is "fuck you"

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Logged on 2023-01-20 22:10:00 phf[deedbot|awt]: so like when gotcha people say "oh you saying you're only good because sky daddy told you so", the answer is "fuck off"

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that said, awt owes his day's work to no one but himself.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021840 << no objection to this at all

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Logged on 2023-01-30 18:54:04 signpost: that's what happens when you live for someone else.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021842 << I owe my liberation almost in full to tmsr.

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Logged on 2023-01-30 18:55:28 signpost: but was working on my own liberation before, during, and now after

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this is that meaning-crisis thread again from another way in.

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awt: hope life's good otherwise

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021837 << the greeks are still there to read, even after mp kaput...

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Logged on 2023-01-30 18:45:21 awt: Nonetheless in private I was spending vast amounts of time on things motivated by mp - learning ancient greek, for example.

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signpost: life is pretty good. Almost out of the hole. Divorce should be resolved this year.

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asciilifeform recalls, for sumreason, t.dalrymple (brit prison shrink, author of some lulzb00kz) accounts of his patients asking, 'doc, where do i find sumthing that feels as good as heroin?'

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awt: which hole was it that you're almost out of ?

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Concerning the greeks - a couple of tragedies took the wind out of my sails there. I used to attend a meetup hosted by a UC Berkeley classics professor. Sadly he committed suicide. Then mp drowned. Took some of the fun out of it I suppose.

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asciilifeform: bad marriage.

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as far as asciilifeform concerned, mp drowned in '18. but already noted this at length.

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dunno what e.g. awt was hoping to do with post-'18 mp... wait to be the next to be 'unpersoned' and yer work plagiarized ?

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( ... polish holy php turd ? )

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Logged on 2023-01-29 18:17:54 signpost: "the master's ass graced this particular wordpress version. you can still see the crease and smell his cigars."

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asciilifeform: yes it's all very clear now. IMO doesn't really matter precisely when but the bitbets debacle was the end.

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fella had a 'substances' problem. unfortunate, but followed typical progression.

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anyway, go drown in free agent pussy for a while on the beach. just stay away from mixing riptides and rum!

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nothing kills the joy of life like a bad relationship

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signpost mega-grateful for blatta's existence. earlier commentary was about standardizing tooling so folks who want to can collaborate without pointless toil.

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as for me, I like talking with asciilifeform and getting yelled at by phf, and will stick around for that.

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can hump along some software as time permits. window for world domination is closed and was probably never open.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021870 << Alas!

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Logged on 2023-01-30 19:23:18 signpost: can hump along some software as time permits. window for world domination is closed and was probably never open.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021868 << Ty and yes I understood. I'm just at a point where I only have like a decade of declining productivity left. Gotta choose wisely.

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Logged on 2023-01-30 19:20:21 signpost: mega-grateful for blatta's existence. earlier commentary was about standardizing tooling so folks who want to can collaborate without pointless toil.

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dunno that window for 'world domination from desk' was ever open, lol

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yes yes, I was trying to be polite!

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( 'from cr beach & fine restaurants' similarly )

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( see also )

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dulapbot

(asciilifeform) 2022-03-29 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090466 << imho 'expectations inflation' was a serious & ultimately fatal disease of #t

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021873 << generally folx 'give up' long before actually weak from old age, is the thing (vs., e.g. paul erdos was still doing his thing when died, in his 80s)

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Logged on 2023-01-30 19:39:58 awt: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-01-30#1021868 << Ty and yes I understood. I'm just at a point where I only have like a decade of declining productivity left. Gotta choose wisely.

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mp barely 40 when gave up.

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asciilifeform: I ain't giving up. In fact more determined than ever. Had some weird sort of chronic fatigue that took me out for almost 2 years. I've slowly recovered and holy shit you really don't appreciate your health until it's gone.

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