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05:23 crtdaydreams What makes a man worthy of following? (as in the case of mp per se.)
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10:09 signpost traditional answer is that he conquers your old master. can be taken as abstract or concretely as you like.
10:10 signpost should also mention that a republic is not a cult of personality of one man. it's the confluence of many allied wills, even if unequal.
10:11 billymg i think the bar is lower than that, doesn't need to conquer anyone, only create meaning
10:11 bitbot (asciilifeform) 2022-04-01 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-31#1091736 << i don't think that part was lacking, mp was solid at generating meaning
10:12 signpost billymg: when ben introduced me to trilema old masters were defeated. that's what I meant by abstract.
10:13 signpost could also say that if meaning is created where none was before, old mastered died and left a vacuum.
10:13 signpost *masters
10:14 billymg ah, as in, "there's something else that exists/can exist" (that's how i felt when first discovering trilema at least)
10:14 signpost yup that
10:16 signpost http://logs.bitdash.io/trilema/2016-09-16#1543393 << randomly selected example of the guy thumping me over the head with tradition to great benefit.
10:16 bitbot (trilema) 2016-09-16 mircea_popescu: trinque fancy that, you had to have someone tell you! nature teaches by example, you stick more data into woman each time than you ever did into all machines you ever touched. yet...
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10:37 billymg hrm, bitbot's echos showing in the logs but not in the terminal
10:37 billymg !. uptime
10:37 bitbot billymg: time since my last reconnect : 0d 9h 37m
10:38 billymg odd, didn't manually restart anything
10:39 billymg oh well, he had a good run, will restart real quick now...
10:39 bitbot Logged on 2022-10-20 11:11:28 bitbot: billymg: time since my last reconnect : 98d 20h 34m
10:40 billymg !. uptime
10:40 bitbot billymg: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 0m
10:41 billymg grr
10:44 billymg !. uptime
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10:44 bitbot billymg: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 0m
10:44 billymg ok
10:47 billymg old issue
10:47 bitbot Logged on 2022-06-13 14:58:35 billymg: bot might need to be restarted, since restarted the blatta station it's connected to. i remember this being an issue in the past
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11:51 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015596 << didja have one in yours? ( asciilifeform not seen docs for the thing, wondered whether it worked only with dedicated 3disms, or could be used simply as 2nd console... )
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11:51 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-05 23:58:37 phf[awt]: asciilifeform, can also put framethrower in e.g. xl1201 which is what they are likely using here
11:52 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015597 << could as easily ask 'wat makes a cake worth eating' etc. subjective q, for the individual folx doing it, neh.
11:52 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-06 05:23:22 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel|awt|signpost]: What makes a man worthy of following? (as in the case of mp per se.)
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12:14 phf http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015623 << no, after buying xl i very rapidly cooled towards the whole retro-hardware thing. tbh.
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12:14 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-06 11:51:11 asciilifeform[6]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015596 << didja have one in yours? ( asciilifeform not seen docs for the thing, wondered whether it worked only with dedicated 3disms, or could be used simply as 2nd console... )
12:16 phf i had various opportunities to pick up macivory, framethrower, 3860 at reasonable price from dks, but i'm mostly content playing with that stuff when visiting the house of the whisperer you met
12:21 phf but specifically re framethrower you don't magically get a color console when connecting one, it's a dedicated auxilary output device
12:21 phf in fact i've never seen it render anything but this s-graphics screen https://twitter.com/LispEngineer/status/1390337249854767104/photo/2 :D
12:22 phf (if you notice it's the same screen as the one in the photo above)
12:23 phf * https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0t4V8BWQAQHanD?format=jpg&name=large
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12:24 phf http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015597 << “What’s he that wishes so? My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin: If we are mark’d to die, we are enow To do our country loss; and if to live, The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
12:24 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-06 05:23:22 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel|awt|signpost]: What makes a man worthy of following? (as in the case of mp per se.)
12:26 phf … He that shall live this day, and see old age, Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours, And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’ Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars. And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
12:26 phf … We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition: And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with u
12:26 phf s upon Saint Crispin’s day.”
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14:20 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015627 << asciilifeform admits similar 'cooled' (was moving 'macivory', and all the while thinking 'will boot?' & 'how many contacts will have to reseat')
14:20 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-06 12:14:34 phf[awt]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015623 << no, after buying xl i very rapidly cooled towards the whole retro-hardware thing. tbh.
14:20 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015633 << reminiscent of ye olde 'deluxe paint'
14:20 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-06 12:23:19 phf[awt]: * https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0t4V8BWQAQHanD?format=jpg&name=large
14:21 * asciilifeform not hunting for any additional bolix irons -- other than moar identical ivory cpus for the eventual meatgrinder -- for some yrs nao
14:22 asciilifeform imho the Right Thing in re: preserving 'atlantean' irons is to properly reverse'em.
14:23 asciilifeform (easier said, unfortunately, than done; and asciilifeform presently has ~0 cycles to meaningfully work on subj)
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15:46 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
15:46 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $21174.11
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17:11 phf well, right, also i got exposed to retro hardware culture, and the hoarding and the associated folly. a lot of your rants about "not interested in reversing because devalues rembrandts" assumes rational, goal driven behavior. in reality mostly crazy people with compulsions, "only replace caps with time appropriate equivale
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17:11 phf nts", etc.
17:13 phf in fact the whisperer you know is the only person who actually does anything with his hoard, beyond "boot it up, and looked at the company logo". i find it to be extremely dull otherwise. i was imagining community of people using their dos machines to write demoscene code, or running their automation with turbo pascal or w
17:13 phf hatever. no such things exists on a group level
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18:54 * asciilifeform was running (personal wankature, rather than amzing publishable heroisms..) cnc control under dos for a while. today has pen166 for gamez, with roland etc. but not any more tries to demoscene etc
18:54 asciilifeform and come to think of it not booted up for ~2y nao
18:56 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-06#1015648 << specifically recall one such fella. but yea prolly not 'goal driven' at all, but 'i'ma get hold of this magick artifact, how could i not' etc
18:56 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-06 17:11:53 phf[awt]: well, right, also i got exposed to retro hardware culture, and the hoarding and the associated folly. a lot of your rants about "not interested in reversing because devalues rembrandts" assumes rational, goal driven behavior. in reality mostly crazy people with compulsions, "only replace caps with time appropriate equivale
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21:27 phf sometimes i'll see posts about a dos machine wordstar or apple macintosh being the ultimate writing station, but somehow never the great american novel from same author. it's still better though than "macintosh in original packaging, on shelf"
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23:03 asciilifeform some folx cream pants when they discover an old comp where 'wow, no updateism', fullscreen proggies, etc.
23:03 jonsykkel wtf dose this mean? http://zzz.st/up/GyCcR4qx/
23:03 asciilifeform ( not to mention -- fast!! )
23:04 asciilifeform jonsykkel: 'gnat-gpl' is broken sadware, rec to avoid
23:04 jonsykkel a ok
23:05 jonsykkel trying to corebot but it wants same version gcc and gnat.
23:05 asciilifeform jonsykkel: it dun come w/ buildroot (which bakes internal gcc, gnat, etc.) anymoar?
23:06 jonsykkel asciilifeform: it does bake an internal gcc at least, but seems to want another gcc+gnat to compile the build system itself
23:07 jonsykkel or watever it is called
23:07 asciilifeform forwat does that thing even need a gnat?
23:07 jonsykkel no idea
23:07 jonsykkel it complains if not there at least, but lets build without
23:07 jonsykkel maybe i will try that simply
23:08 * asciilifeform looks for shinohai's gnat recipe, but his www apparently kaput?
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23:09 asciilifeform asciilifeform's mirror of adacorpse's gnat fwiw
23:09 jonsykkel neat, tanks
23:10 asciilifeform ancient recipe for same. iirc signpost had a moar recent one but grr can't find atm
23:11 jonsykkel good stuf
23:12 signpost jonsykkel: http://trinque.org/src/pentacle.tar.gz http://trinque.org/src/pentacle.tar.gz.asc
23:12 signpost oughta write up proper instructions on blog but there's a README in there
23:13 asciilifeform a ty signpost
23:13 * signpost can walk ya through a build tomorrow. shinohai got it done easily
23:13 jonsykkel cool, i will download thank!
23:14 jonsykkel will at least give it a try self first
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