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00:44 whaack_temp wow horrible re: b-ok.org
00:45 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $21418.36
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00:46 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $21418.67
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01:28 phf hmm, first time i've actually tested pest on a roaming connection, behind consumer nat
01:30 phf http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-04#1015508 << why no tk
01:30 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-04 23:05:59 asciilifeform[6]: ... 'wx' and 'qt' -- only game in town.
01:30 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2022-01-03 asciilifeform: fucked with 'wx', 'qt', bought the fucking books, worked through all known public examples of anyffin even vaguely resembling hypertext editors, tried with raw x11, # of misc. horrors. all to 0 useful result.
01:34 phf i've written a simple demo, where use "marks" around areas to be able to replace and update those areas when more information is available
01:37 phf tk text widget is plenty powerful, supports a handful of concepts to markup and subdivide the output for all the pest needs. i think you can even output inline images
01:38 phf i've not tested in on "gigabytes of data", but eats canticle for leibowitz for no slowdown whatsover
01:40 phf the only feature that's missing (and that depends on who you ask) is file drag&drog and drop. i would've liked to be able to drop a file onto the pest window, and get it pasted or uploaded or whatever
~ 35 minutes ~
02:15 asciilifeform ^ would imho be a sufficient 'wainot', not even need to list others
02:16 asciilifeform ( tho gotta mention, not ever seen a tk proggy that 'loox native' on any os at all, even linux (where 'gtk == native'))
02:17 asciilifeform (tbf it's been many yrs since asciilifeform tried tkism)
~ 6 hours 57 minutes ~
09:14 billymg well, i feel like an idiot. turns out this was user error
09:14 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-02 10:44:28 billymg: god dammit, i think my isp here just started throttling torrents. ubuntu (as a test, 2k seeders) downloading at < 50kB/s
09:17 billymg someone clicked the little turtle icon (speed limit) in the web ui. the girl uses the same web interface so i'd like to blame it on her but honestly could've just as easily have been me, seeing as how i didn't even notice
09:18 billymg so attn log readers: torrents work fine in costa rica without any workarounds, don't cancel your plans to move here
~ 1 hours 50 minutes ~
11:09 asciilifeform billymg: lol
11:09 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
11:09 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $21293.59
~ 27 minutes ~
11:36 shinohai "Come to beautiful sunny Costa Rica, we have it all! Exotic women! Torrents! Bitcoin Billionaires drowning in the ocean!"
11:37 signpost that damned turtle.
11:37 signpost good morning all
11:38 shinohai Morning shinohai
11:38 signpost lol!
11:38 shinohai gah SIGNPOST
11:40 shinohai Weechat has built-in narcissism, can wish self gm
11:45 signpost phf: any requirement to use a fixed-width font?
11:46 * signpost sorta tired of reading human speech in typewriter.
11:47 signpost http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015529 << next-best would be to consistently look like itself on all. I've had something like "well-typeset book" kicking around in my imagination.
11:47 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-05 02:16:09 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|deedbot|awt]: ( tho gotta mention, not ever seen a tk proggy that 'loox native' on any os at all, even linux (where 'gtk == native'))
~ 1 hours ~
12:48 asciilifeform signpost: aside from the current curses ughs ( e.g. the weechat asciilifeform is pesting from ) , no reason wai would haveto have fixed font (unless resorting to bake raw fb gui without renderers , that is)
12:48 dulapbot Logged on 2022-10-02 23:08:34 asciilifeform: as it is, for fonts alone we've postscript, truetype, opentype, and wtf else
12:50 asciilifeform ^ sumthing asciilifeform attempted, on & off, for ~2decade nao, but not got anywhere satisfying.
12:51 asciilifeform extant os suck so mightily that even 'scroll a screen of text w/out flicker' is a quest for hero
12:52 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015538 << dunfughet, also, capt. kidd's treasure!
12:52 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-05 11:36:45 shinohai: "Come to beautiful sunny Costa Rica, we have it all! Exotic women! Torrents! Bitcoin Billionaires drowning in the ocean!"
12:53 shinohai BingoBoingo better fire up the yacht and go searchin'
~ 35 minutes ~
13:29 phf http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015545 << you can do all kinds of ungodly things, like http://glyf.org/screenshots/pest-ungodly.png
13:29 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-05 11:45:48 signpost: phf: any requirement to use a fixed-width font?
~ 33 minutes ~
14:02 shinohai very horrendous, wow!
14:07 asciilifeform phf: oh hm, mac port ?
14:09 * asciilifeform notices that phf's pestron not fills in chains yet. but iirc was mentioned at one pt
14:11 * asciilifeform not has mac port of anyffin other than -- believe or not -- ffa, where built ~effortlessly and w/out coughing
14:12 * asciilifeform at one time was benchmarking on various cpu, and the crapple was the only 'i7' in torture room at the time
14:13 asciilifeform would be curious to try on exotic crapples ('m1', 'm2' etc.)
14:13 * asciilifeform dun have these currently
~ 20 minutes ~
14:33 phf http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015560 << the window is not representative of actual functionality™
14:33 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-05 14:09:30 asciilifeform[5]: notices that phf's pestron not fills in chains yet. but iirc was mentioned at one pt
~ 46 minutes ~
15:19 signpost http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015556 << I like it. business, yet casual.
15:19 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-05 13:29:05 phf[awt]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015545 << you can do all kinds of ungodly things, like http://glyf.org/screenshots/pest-ungodly.png
~ 1 hours 45 minutes ~
17:05 phf im stylin
17:06 phf i'm going to leave it as is, to remind myself that all life is pain
~ 47 minutes ~
17:54 crtdaydreams phf: the comic sans is mwah *chefs kiss*
18:00 asciilifeform lol at least not font 'algerian'...
18:01 * asciilifeform recalls subj from microshit loloffice under win31. and occasionally sees old shop signs in it in rundown parts of town
18:03 * asciilifeform finally moved 'macivory' & its crt etc to new pad. over9000x portability improvement vs the 3620 !
~ 19 minutes ~
18:23 crtdaydreams asciilifeform: is the 3620 composite video?
~ 56 minutes ~
19:20 asciilifeform crtdaydreams: nope. 100% digital, over custom cable, 'supervga' res. (long before even 'vga', iirc that particular console circa '84)
19:20 asciilifeform crtdaydreams: a little moar re outta what they baked it. emitter-coupled logic.
19:21 asciilifeform 160mhz digital mysterymeat over 12-conductor monster coax.
19:23 asciilifeform was feasible arguably because b&w (1-bit colour). later on iirc they came out with a color display, but was iirc tv-style rather than 'svga'
19:24 asciilifeform example of for what the colour display was.
~ 25 minutes ~
19:50 phf i'm personally quite fond of this picture, http://glyf.org/screenshots/symbolics-square.jpg
~ 2 hours 29 minutes ~
22:20 asciilifeform phf: any idea who in this picture ?
22:20 asciilifeform ( or -- when. green kensington trackball? defo mid-'90s neh )
22:22 * asciilifeform not had the bolix 2nd ed. console pictured; envious
22:34 phf asciilifeform, it's because you're not into popular culture. without further investigation, pictured is an unnamed Square salaryman sometime between 1994 and 1997 working diligently in s-graphics to implement 3d models for a popular video game Final Fantasy VII
22:44 phf i'm pretty sure i've come across details before as far as who was the bolix champion at square and how that came about, but i can't find it anymore
22:47 phf genera had support for i18n out of the box, though none were implemented (left as an exercise™) except for japanese. there was even a custom input device for doing kanji input
22:50 phf further the two monitors on the bottom right are symbolics console, and the screen with "final fantasy vii" is an s-graphics output over framethrower, which is a custom graphics board
~ 24 minutes ~
23:15 crtdaydreams asciilifeform: dead link re: console cable
23:19 crtdaydreams http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015580 << Ah this demo
23:19 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-05 19:24:59 asciilifeform[5]: example of for what the colour display was.
~ 29 minutes ~
23:48 * asciilifeform recognized the bolix console and console game title in phf's pic; and 'framethrower' ( dks: 'hey wanna buy 3640 instead of 3620, could then put 'framethrower'' a: 'not fits in this toyota' )
23:49 asciilifeform the left side screen is almost certainly an sgi (wonder why? only as xterm for the bolix, to give 2nd console ?)
23:50 asciilifeform interestingly, bolix kbd nowhere in sight ( did the wacomesque kanji board replace it?? )
23:52 asciilifeform ( 3640 -- for the innocent -- approx. size of 2 drawer filing cabinet, and iirc ~100kg )
23:58 phf asciilifeform, can also put framethrower in e.g. xl1201 which is what they are likely using here
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