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00:06 thestringpuller dude
00:06 thestringpuller the actual fuck
00:06 thestringpuller can we get some hp pointed to atc?
00:08 thestringpuller %nethash
00:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: some sort of consistent treatment of focus << 'ratpoison' has 'polite mode' and 'rude mode' (window can open, on current display, or cannot.) i've them set to single key toggle.
00:33 asciilifeform switching caps lock and ctrl << 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na
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00:34 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: how os x << better question, -why' os x
00:38 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts
00:41 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: do we really need to rehash the best mobile compute hardware discussion?
00:42 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aha that was why.
00:42 ben_vulpes i'm apparently even more of a pauper than yourself, and must maintain mobile work stations.
00:43 BingoBoingo What? A pushcart isn't mobile enough?
00:43 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i recently ended up in a similar situation (some work in a godforsaken bare walls site) and looked at laptops, finding nothing even vaguely worth owning
00:43 nubbins` my 2008 macbook is still going strong
00:43 nubbins` in fact, i *just* ordered 8gb of ram for it
00:43 nubbins` should be a bit zippier than the current 2
00:43 * ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6, plus tp, plus pt, plus soap in restrooms, plus ping-pong table
00:43 * asciilifeform has 'mac air' circa '09, when absolutely must work in the jungles
00:44 * asciilifeform envies ben_vulpes
00:44 asciilifeform 575 buys... a doghouse here.
00:44 asciilifeform for a small dog.
00:44 ben_vulpes it's just a bay in a warehouse.
00:44 nubbins` 575 buys you a room on the second floor of my house for one month
00:44 asciilifeform what's a pt ?
00:44 ben_vulpes paper towels
00:44 asciilifeform aha
00:44 ben_vulpes toilet paper, paper towels
00:44 * asciilifeform assumed 'pay toilet'
00:44 ben_vulpes there's a nice symmetry
00:45 ben_vulpes oh lord if the slumlord were even so competent
00:45 nubbins` toilet pluger, pay toilet
00:45 asciilifeform or 'piss tank'
00:45 ben_vulpes access to piss tank(s) comes with rent
00:45 ben_vulpes slumlord must be browbeaten into providing and maintaining supplies though
00:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the machine shop ?
00:46 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i don't derp on atoms any more.
00:46 asciilifeform aaha.
00:46 ben_vulpes but it has 3-phase and concrete floors should any want to derp thusly.
00:47 ben_vulpes natural gas as well, for the localized heating of crank-turners.
00:47 * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...)
00:48 ben_vulpes in re-packing the toolbox today i had a moment of gloom over all the tools i've abandoned over the years.
00:48 ben_vulpes once upon a time i built furnaces, tables, cabinetry, play-vehicles for the e-peen at burning man...
00:49 ben_vulpes (chairs, wafer chucks, unattended production cells...)
00:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48653 @ 0.00075242 = 36.6075 BTC [+] {3}
00:50 ben_vulpes the actual tools i now own are hacksaws, japanese wood saws, various jigs, shitty quick-grip clamps, a stick welder (in the business-partner's garage), a cutoff saw (ibid), and a circular saw (...).
00:50 nubbins` there's no infrastructure for natural gas here so they just burn it all off
00:51 ben_vulpes various squares, tape measures, handheld sanders, an 18v battery drill and two batteries for same.
00:51 ben_vulpes vice grips (3, various sizes), wrenches, socket set, bike manipulation tools
00:51 nubbins` you're a stick welder ahead of my print shop so far
00:52 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: these are perfectly fine things every adult man i know, owns.
00:52 ben_vulpes for lo, the paupery. we must maintain our own equipment.
00:52 asciilifeform minus one or two
00:52 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'm reduced to that with which i cannot bear to part.
00:52 asciilifeform ben_vulpes travels ?
00:52 * ben_vulpes hovels
00:53 * asciilifeform also hovels, packs the hovel anyway
00:53 ben_vulpes it's fair packable.
00:53 ben_vulpes but also entirely replaceable anywhere with a 1960s industrial toolchain.
00:53 ben_vulpes oh and a grinder.
00:54 ben_vulpes can't weld or work metal properly without the grinder.
00:55 ben_vulpes * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << i came too close to sacrificing too many valuable human-parts derping on atoms on salary to go back to it.
00:55 ben_vulpes then the rocket folks gave me a tour of the life i could expect derping on the sexiest atom stacks around
00:55 * ben_vulpes shudders at the memory
00:56 asciilifeform 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ?
00:56 ben_vulpes "hey kid, want to maintain this family of bolts' load certifications through stack reengineering after stack reengineering? live in LA, sacrifice meaningful human contact, operate in remote proximity to large piles of cash and famous people working on other, cooler things?"
00:57 ben_vulpes "oh hey if you want to work on the hot parts, you could also go live in the desert - miles from anything interesting! - how about it? we pay 65K pre-tax."
00:58 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ? << they were proud to offer the opportunity to sacrifice my parts on the shrine of their stock price
00:59 ben_vulpes options: derp on shitty, non-lethal web stack solving problems for people with "real" businesses in exchange for some nominal amount of cash and the "freedom" to write my own schedule, or drive hours to get to the place with the interesting multiphysics problems and...flourescent-lit workspacen.
01:01 * asciilifeform if condemned to work on 'web stack' would rather have the lethal one. suffer less.
01:01 ben_vulpes you also labor under an actual education in what comprises a computer.
01:02 xmj ...
01:02 xmj working on 'web stack' is easy enough
01:02 xmj charge more if it's boring.
01:02 asciilifeform i also once earned bread by running wires in ceilings, walls.
01:02 asciilifeform and may again.
01:03 xmj how very Roark-y of you, asciilifeform
01:03 asciilifeform lol.
01:03 ben_vulpes it's all just plumbing.
01:03 xmj of course it is
01:03 ben_vulpes i imagine that i feel about running cables and laying literal pipe the way you feel about returning responses to http requests.
01:03 xmj that's what makes it so attractive
01:04 xmj sysadmin is digital plumbing.
01:04 xmj plumbing is... plumbing.
01:04 nubbins` print shop, creative plumbing
01:04 asciilifeform with the exception that plumbing of pipes to carry water, shit, - is honest work.
01:04 nubbins` just because anyone with a set of arms can do it doesn't mean it's honest
01:05 ben_vulpes what is dishonest work?
01:05 asciilifeform honest in the sense that water, shit need to run.
01:05 asciilifeform most computer systems have no business really existing.
01:05 nubbins` but we need to do the thing faster
01:06 xmj it's the old debate
01:06 ben_vulpes so i've started bringing in the kind of work i started out seeking. internal applications for companies converting passenger 747s into cargo 747s.
01:06 xmj and it's boring.
01:06 * xmj fastforwards asciilifeform to the 21st century.
01:06 xmj please accept that computer systems in this century have as much legitimacy as water systems in the last.
01:06 thestringpuller xmj sounds like a file format
01:06 asciilifeform xmj: familiar with edison's dc current electrical grid ?
01:06 nubbins` ;;google xmj file extension
01:06 ben_vulpes operate in the boonies, can't afford and don't want to hire programmers, and so bring me on to do...forms. for enquification of work. in exchange for which i get dollars, and the opportunity to suggest other ways in which to make their businesses run less awkwardly.
01:06 gribble What does XMJ stand for? - Abbreviations.com: <http://www.abbreviations.com/XMJ>; Ubuntu Manpage: xmj, mj-server, mj-player - programs for playing ...: <http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man6/xmj.6.html>; TOSHIBA 14N5-XM,XMJ,XE,XMS Service Manual free download ...: <http://www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/38085/_TOSHIBA%2014N5-XM,XMJ,XE,XMS.html>
01:07 xmj after WW-II was over russia stole german spigots, installing them in russia thinking water would come out of the wall...
01:07 asciilifeform xmj: he would have power plant on every street.
01:07 nubbins` ben_vulpes is this what they call "consulting"?
01:07 xmj ..needless to say that failed, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLUMBING.
01:07 asciilifeform xmj: this is roughly the situation of modern computing.
01:07 ben_vulpes nubbins`: who knows what "they" call anything.
01:07 asciilifeform stole german spigots, installing them << idiotic libel
01:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00075299 = 3.2379 BTC [+]
01:08 xmj asciilifeform: with the difference that modern computing "just works"
01:08 thestringpuller ;;ticker
01:08 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.15, Best ask: 406.12, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 406.12, 24 hour volume: 13245.56397950, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 410.02, 24 hour vwap: 400.824099826
01:08 asciilifeform modern computing "just works" << lol!
01:08 asciilifeform trololol...
01:08 thestringpuller !t m s.mpoe
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01:08 thestringpuller modern video games!
01:08 xmj ...
01:08 nubbins` loose times, fast women!
01:08 xmj ben_vulpes: why do you do FORMS for a client?
01:09 ben_vulpes it's an abstraction for the sake of discussion, xmj.
01:09 thestringpuller forms > spreadsheets
01:09 asciilifeform tight times - slow women.
01:09 nubbins` 5 cents cheaper than the theatre
01:09 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
01:09 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.62, Best ask: 406.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 406.54, 24 hour volume: 13174.81062162, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 410.02, 24 hour vwap: 400.847799735
01:10 nubbins` oh god i forgot i used to do shit with forms
01:10 nubbins` ms infopath
01:10 nubbins` oh god
01:10 thestringpuller that's a thing?
01:10 ben_vulpes microsoft, apple
01:11 thestringpuller ;;google infopath
01:11 gribble Microsoft InfoPath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_InfoPath>; Update on InfoPath and SharePoint Forms | Office Blogs: <http://blogs.office.com/2014/01/31/update-on-infopath-and-sharepoint-forms/>; Introduction to InfoPath Forms Services - InfoPath - Office - Microsoft: <http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/infopath-help/introduction-to- (1 more message)
01:11 ben_vulpes apple's shit's all about "end user experience"
01:11 ben_vulpes m$ all about preventing developers from thinking
01:11 ben_vulpes i guess i'm into really elaborate masochism
01:11 nubbins` nah man, you have to think plenty
01:11 nubbins` because it's all a hot mess
01:12 thestringpuller lol linux just kinda exists
01:13 nubbins` between two major versions of sharepoint server, microsoft rewrote all the APIs and shuffled around all the names, so that what once was called an X is now called a Y, and what was once called a Y is now called a Z
01:13 thestringpuller i wonder who thinks these are good ideas
01:13 nubbins` but all the class names remained the same, so to create an instance of Y you'd call createX()
01:14 thestringpuller and how these ideas are incepted and nutured
01:14 ben_vulpes oh god stop
01:14 ben_vulpes no stop stop stop
01:14 nubbins` and the best part is that X and Y and Z were extremely common words like "Web" and "Site" but with new, very specific, obtuse definitions
01:15 nubbins` applied as an onion skin over a convoluted permissions-based content management system
01:15 * nubbins` vomits, weeps
01:15 ben_vulpes noipe
01:15 ben_vulpes i'm noping right the fuck out of this conversation.
01:15 nubbins` i need a drink
01:16 ben_vulpes bitcoin-assets is my refuge from the shitty horrible suicide-inducing world of web programming
01:16 ben_vulpes i apologize sincerely for bringing this weep fest in here
01:16 nubbins` heh.
01:16 nubbins` don't feel too bad for me, i got out
01:17 nubbins` oh and also ben_vulpes they just emailed me and said it doesn't work in ie7
01:17 nubbins` LEL I KID
01:18 nubbins` microsoft infopath: "let's make XSLT even shittier"
01:22 nubbins` this "openbazaar beta 1.0" video is brutal
01:22 nubbins` guy is literally just browsing through items, clicking on them, lamely reading description
01:22 nubbins` "so i guess you could buy a pen if you wanted to..."
01:24 thestringpuller not everyone is as creative as you nubbins`
01:24 thestringpuller gosssh
01:24 nubbins` he doesn't have anything to say!
01:24 thestringpuller lighthouse looked promising in some regards
01:25 thestringpuller but meh
01:25 thestringpuller lol
01:25 thestringpuller all of it is pretty meh
01:28 TheNewDeal ;;rate nubbin` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3
01:28 gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
01:28 TheNewDeal ;;rate nubbins` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3
01:28 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user nubbins` has changed from 1 to 2.
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01:29 thestringpuller ;;gettrust nubbins` thestringpuller
01:29 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012
01:29 thestringpuller no level 1 from you yet nubbins` :P
01:31 nubbins` don't get too offended, i'm pretty skimpy with my ratings
01:31 nubbins` http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=nubbins`&sign=ANY&type=SENT
01:31 assbot Rating Details for User 'nubbins`'
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01:31 nubbins` ;;rate thestringpuller 1 patron of the arts
01:31 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thestringpuller has been recorded.
01:31 thestringpuller love it
01:32 thestringpuller i hope to be art connessieur one day
01:32 thestringpuller but art is tough
01:32 nubbins` stew meat is tough, unless you stew it
01:32 nubbins` art is the same
01:33 thestringpuller hmmm
01:33 thestringpuller that makes sense
01:33 thestringpuller that and a lot of practice eh?
01:33 ben_vulpes art meat is tough unless you art it?
01:34 nubbins` sure, yeah
01:35 nubbins` that's what i meant
01:35 decimation asciilifeform: re: "emacs aptitude test" << yeah I'm realizing I need to remap everything to become more productive, like a young apprentice ought. It is good to learn the default keybindings in case one needs to use some strange terminal without your own .emacs though -- not a situation where one should expect to be productive
01:39 decimation to the point, though - it's clear that only a crazy person or a fanatic would wear the 'hair shirt' of emacs defaults. why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion?
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02:20 BingoBoingo !up moldysnizz
02:20 moldysnizz squeeeeee
02:21 moldysnizz hiya bingo
02:22 moldysnizz Someday I'll dig out my computer with my chatquack credintals on it. For now, it's moldy.
02:22 moldysnizz How've you been?
02:24 BingoBoingo Not too bad
02:24 BingoBoingo You?
02:24 BingoBoingo How's the homestead?
02:25 moldysnizz Fix'n up an RV I bought a couple of months ago.
02:26 moldysnizz About to get a solar panal set up on the roof. The charge controler came in the other day.
02:26 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts << there are some places ip makes sense.
02:26 mircea_popescu the best example being, of course, your own dna.
02:26 BingoBoingo Nice moldysnizz
02:27 moldysnizz So, hopefuly someday soon I will be moving it onto my land.
02:27 moldysnizz *excited*
02:27 mircea_popescu * ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6 << not bad deal.
02:27 moldysnizz I might have to put in a driveway first. :P
02:28 BingoBoingo Well, worse things have been required of people by circumstances
02:28 moldysnizz =)
02:29 mircea_popescu * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << mp lives in land of currently spring. forgets the rest of the world has autumns and shit
02:29 BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/04/guy-motorcycle-looking-forward-donating-organs-year/
02:29 assbot Guy on Motorcycle Looking Forward To Donating his Organs this Year - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
02:29 BingoBoingo “You know I have my whole life ahead of me,” said 22-year-old Jasper. “Just in other people’s bodies.”
02:34 moldysnizz heh
02:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: honest in the sense that water, shit need to run. << the spanish right would disagree.
02:35 mircea_popescu all a matter of perspective.
02:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: trololol... << he's not trolling, he's just new and clinging to it like it's his foreskin or something.
02:40 mircea_popescu decimation: why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion? << because you're a vampire and the casket with your home dirt feels cosiest ?
02:42 BingoBoingo http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2014/09/18/how-to-discourage-a-doctor/
02:42 assbot How To Discourage a Doctor | The Health Care Blog
02:43 BingoBoingo "For example, make physicians increasingly dependent on complex systems outside their domain of expertise, such as information technology and coding and billing software. Ensure that such systems are very costly, so that solo practitioners and small groups, who naturally cannot afford them, must turn to the hospital. And augment their sense of incompetence by making such systems user-unfriendly and unreliable. Where possible, chan
02:43 BingoBoingo ge vendors frequently."
02:44 mircea_popescu the framing is kinda lulzy awkward.
02:44 mircea_popescu apparently doctors can't write, either.
02:46 BingoBoingo Of course they can't
02:49 mircea_popescu anyway, this is like its sister, "how the hedge fund masquerading as a 'research' university can take control of the professor/researcher"
02:49 moldysnizz wow. just wow
02:49 mircea_popescu herpy-derp. as if it's avoidable. in a totalitarian regime the state takes control, of everything. until it all goes to shit in a monolithic piece.
02:49 mircea_popescu what the hell else.
02:50 BingoBoingo !up moldysnizz
02:52 moldysnizz Thank you.
03:03 mircea_popescu http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3063483543243747@naggum.no.html on perceived arrogance
03:03 assbot Re: Theory #51 (superior(?) programming languages) - Naggum cll archive
03:07 BingoBoingo http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3283103461920369KL2065E@naggum.no.html
03:07 assbot Re: OT Re: GNU CLISP 2.32 released - Naggum cll archive
03:11 mircea_popescu "Just because someone says he suffers, does not mean he does, and even if he does, that does not mean it is anyone's business. Quite the contrary, a lot of really bad people successfully manipulate others by lying about how they suffer and exploit the natural tendency of better humans to feel compassion for sufferers."
03:11 mircea_popescu nothing "better" about it, it's a bug like any other.
03:11 mircea_popescu this is like saying that heartbleed affected the better ssh implementation.
03:11 mircea_popescu no. it affected the openssh implementation.
03:11 mircea_popescu derpy usians are on this empathy kick means jack.
03:14 BingoBoingo Oh Nagum address es the SGML/XML issue http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3283054407117609KL2065E@naggum.no.html
03:14 assbot Re: O'reilly subjugated to the Lisp juggenaut (well, almost ;-) - Naggum cll archive
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03:21 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-jet/
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04:30 punkman http://iplayif.com/?story=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifarchive.org%2Fif-archive%2Fgames%2Fzcode%2Fgostak.z5
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06:33 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BitPay closed before the end of the year" http://bitbet.us/bet/757/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 36(Y):64(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.26346298 BTC. Current weight: 25,271.
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08:18 BingoBoingo http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-runs-on-21-raid-proof-virtual-machines-140921/
08:18 assbot The Pirate Bay Runs on 21 "Raid-Proof" Virtual Machines | TorrentFreak
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08:45 kakobrekla it looks like posters arrive.
08:45 kakobrekla d
08:51 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Did you also get the nuclear resistant packaging other recipients are reporting?
08:52 kakobrekla actually i decided mid-unwrapping that im going to leave it packaged as it came.
08:52 kakobrekla maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it.
08:53 BingoBoingo Solid plan
08:53 BingoBoingo In a few millenia the archeaologist will appreciate that.
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09:44 danielpbarron does anyone know who this idiot is? https://twitter.com/bravetheworld/status/514036093281660928 -- she claims to have been in here before, but refuses to tell me her gribble username
09:44 assbot If you told me last year that I'd be running GIT and beta testing /openbazaar I'd think you were speaking in another language. /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
09:46 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: I dun remember.
09:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9698 @ 0.00075005 = 7.274 BTC [+]
09:51 cazalla danielpbarron, that's julia tourianski
09:51 cazalla seo marketer, anarchist, friend of jeff berwick and amir
09:53 danielpbarron cazalla, know her gribble username?
09:54 cazalla nfi but she has not been here in the past 12 months and she popped up 9 months ago
10:04 mats_cd03 rofl. 'seo marketer'.
10:05 cazalla mats_cd03, that's what her linked in says and she runs hydralocalmarketing.com
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10:13 mats_cd03 i lol at the lack of self-realization that causes such branding
10:14 cazalla someone is pulling her strings
10:14 mats_cd03 no, she's just dumb.
10:15 mats_cd03 inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is.
10:15 cazalla dunno, panda/penguin took me out
10:18 cazalla but no, she might be dumb but she popped up almost a year ago with all these videos, from what i've seen and heard from her, she's a puppet for someone else
10:19 BingoBoingo <mats_cd03> inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << What do you think /. is?
10:19 cazalla you know when you come across someone that says things that you know are being said on behalf of someone else, that's the feeling i get from her
10:21 cazalla she's done acting before, she's the actor in her videos, nfi who the producer/director is
10:22 dub friend if amir
10:22 dub so her utility ends at compost or some other biomass
10:23 nubbins` kakobrekla:maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. <<< good idea, collectors love original packaging
10:27 BingoBoingo https://github.com/conformal/btcd/releases/tag/BTCD_0_9_0_BETA << Interesting
10:27 assbot Release btcd v0.9.0-beta conformal/btcd GitHub
10:28 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/22/a-rough-weekend-for-missouri-sports/
10:33 kakobrekla nubbins` imma have to open it as my mom wants one
10:42 nubbins` for shame
10:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5602 @ 0.00075038 = 4.2036 BTC [-]
10:55 nubbins` http://youtu.be/rYcSqIuqkz4
10:55 assbot KTVA reporter quits on-air, reveals herself as owner of Alaska Cannabis Club - YouTube
10:55 nubbins` hahahahaha.
11:03 nubbins` http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&id=49397&latest=1
11:03 assbot VOCM.COM|Trial Begins Today in Botched Robbery Shooting | Article
11:03 nubbins` "wear a suit, it'll make you look good"
11:04 mats_cd03 i discovered a while ago that visual basic 6 was used for a front end on a .mil dish that provided internet connectivity to personnel in the field
11:04 nubbins` wow
11:05 mats_cd03 p amusing.
11:05 nubbins` i used to work at an insurance company that stored all their client passwords in plaintext
11:06 nubbins` i guess they probably still do
11:07 kakobrekla if only they base64 encoded it
11:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 88 @ 0.17404592 = 15.316 BTC [+] {9}
11:08 nubbins` unhackabru
11:08 nubbins` response when i brought it up: "we know"
11:08 kakobrekla should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!"
11:10 BingoBoingo Password is Xylophone http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/us/us-ramping-up-major-renewal-in-nuclear-arms.html?_r=0
11:10 assbot Log In - The New York Times
11:11 nubbins` kakobrekla 8)
11:11 nubbins` (password?)
11:16 bounce the password is to stick it in google
11:16 mircea_popescu !up GNULinuxGuy
11:17 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. << ahahaha kako got tired of digging
11:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00075018 = 17.7042 BTC [-]
11:18 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: does anyone know who this idiot is? << you know, the proof of idiocy is circular reasoning, not disagreement.
11:19 mircea_popescu lol bitcoinbelle
11:21 mircea_popescu wtf is with all these people and their identity issues, i can scarcely imagine one's life under this convention. age 0 to 1 week: MaternityInfant ; 1 week to 1 year : DiapersDude ; Age 1 to 3 years : MrChewsalot ; 3 to 7 : FallingoverPerson ; 7 to 10 SillyPuttyPutting ; 10 to 13 OneHairYo
11:21 mircea_popescu etc etc
11:21 mircea_popescu can't just be Susan or Alex throughout.
11:21 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P73529.txt )
11:21 BingoBoingo !b 3
11:22 BingoBoingo %d
11:22 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 294697.00 in 930 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.31
11:22 mircea_popescu i knew a chick that had named her cat Dog, but at least that was a) funny and b) not the cat's doing. too much pseudo-irony for lyfe.
11:23 nubbins` buddy of mine has a dog named water
11:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.1749 = 2.0988 BTC [+]
11:23 mircea_popescu on consideration, it's actually possible https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/458738254284468224/5L51itmv_400x400.jpeg doesn't realise her self-tagging as "belle" is at best ironic.
11:25 mircea_popescu on the plus side, til there exists a dude named xavier zappa. now that's not a bad name.
11:28 mircea_popescu "I think it funny #mainstreammedia implements paywalls on their websites. They think their gov't content worthy." lmao.
11:28 mircea_popescu that'sd a good point
11:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.14536972 = 13.374 BTC [-] {7}
11:29 mircea_popescu oh i totally want to pay something to read how nyt has rewritten the official usg talking points this week.
11:30 mircea_popescu danielpbarron oh, the rub is this is some twerp that wanted to have invented "bitcoin independence" except hadn't done their trilema reading and was nonplussed to find a) it's old and b) the people who did it aren't impressed with kids sitting on their ass "changing thr world" through verbiage.
11:31 chetty maybe dog walk hour catches on in usa and nyt can boohoo
11:31 mircea_popescu https://www.google.com/search?q=Julia+Tourianski&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X if you're curious.
11:31 assbot Julia Tourianski - Google Search
11:32 mircea_popescu chetty i don't think it can because well, that'd require meeting people.
11:34 mircea_popescu http://bitcoinmagazine.com/13984/ode-julia/ << leaving this here for pete_d :D
11:34 assbot Ode to Julia – Bitcoin Magazine
11:35 penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/
11:42 mircea_popescu ;;later tell jborkl yeah not a bad plane for the 200k it costs. prolly the best bird that money can buy.
11:42 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:49 thestringpuller the writer looks hot
11:51 mircea_popescu she's at that age when merely washing and not eating crap is good enough.
11:53 thestringpuller what is that age range
11:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01114943 = 0.9923 BTC [+] {4}
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 0.80499160 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 70 satoshi per share
12:00 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/AQy9kKW.jpg
12:00 nubbins` thestringpuller depends on the person. for me, birth-40
12:02 mircea_popescu thestringpuller bout same that the woman can effectualy become a slave, 16 to 26 or w/e. definitely not past 30, metabolism goes to shit.
12:03 mircea_popescu nubbins` i'd like to imagine you don't think 0 yos are hot.
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27252613 BTC to 15`097 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
12:04 nubbins` course not, you're extrapolating
12:04 nubbins` i'm only concerned with me
12:04 mircea_popescu i mean i know canucks are weirdos and dogs and everything, but srsly...
12:04 nubbins` fun fact, nurse in the delivery room was like "shit, nubs" and immediately engaged me in intercourse
12:05 mircea_popescu conversational intercourse ?
12:05 nubbins` sexual. it was the third woman i'd slept with.
12:05 mircea_popescu you slept ?!
12:05 mircea_popescu what, like all through it ?!
12:05 nubbins` euphemism!
12:05 mircea_popescu welcome to technicality club, bitch.
12:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18507 @ 0.00074664 = 13.8181 BTC [-]
12:05 nubbins` no sleep til valhalla
12:06 thestringpuller wait your wife had a baby
12:06 thestringpuller and you had sex with the nurse that helped deliver?
12:06 nubbins` wait what?
12:06 nubbins` this is my birth we're discussing
12:06 thestringpuller OH
12:06 thestringpuller lol
12:06 thestringpuller ~_~
12:06 nubbins` jesus, somebody get me a whiteboard marker
12:07 thestringpuller 8====> O = baby
12:07 thestringpuller or something?
12:07 thestringpuller right
12:07 thestringpuller penis + girl hole = intercourse?
12:07 thestringpuller yes yes?
12:11 jurov nubbins` then maybe you ought to show the world more than your exquisite torso?
12:12 jurov *to the world
12:12 mircea_popescu he means he was born into one of those conservative environments where they use wet nurses and what the wet nurses do to pacify the young lord that cries/won't sleep is suck his cocklet.
12:13 jurov but he also says it persists to this day ?
12:13 mircea_popescu well... canada
12:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42944 @ 0.00075063 = 32.2351 BTC [+] {5}
12:14 nubbins` the cold preserves things
12:14 nubbins` where do you think this name came from?
12:14 jurov wetnurse4lyfe
12:15 jurov btw, it's covered by insurance, too?
12:15 jurov teh welfare!!!1
12:16 mircea_popescu it occurs to me this conversation is grossly inappropriate for a serious, professional, tech minded channel
12:16 mircea_popescu please take it to #bitcoin-dev
12:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17108 @ 0.00075206 = 12.8662 BTC [+]
12:17 nubbins` HA
12:18 mircea_popescu the best part of eating cereal is pouring milk over the construction
12:18 jurov as in, directly from udder?
12:18 jurov er.. tit
12:18 mircea_popescu lol no
12:19 mircea_popescu justr, the moistening of previously dry matter, that could have survived indefinitely dry.
12:19 mircea_popescu it's very sexual.
12:20 Duffer1 how very tantric
12:24 nubbins` do they have honey shreddies in argentina?
12:27 mircea_popescu what's them ?
12:27 mircea_popescu i hate sweets with breakfast.
12:27 nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shreddies
12:27 assbot Shreddies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
12:28 nubbins` essentially shredded wheat w/ honey baked in
12:28 nubbins` y'see, when people talk about "commonwealth countries", this is the common wealth to which they refer
12:28 nubbins` shreddies, cadbury chocolate, superfluous Us in words, etc
12:30 mircea_popescu and by superfluous you mean ubiquitous ?
12:31 nubbins` both, i suppose
12:31 mircea_popescu :)
12:32 nubbins` technicality cafe: would you like a seat by the window?
12:32 mircea_popescu lol
12:32 nubbins` "sure, but only when you put the accent over the e"
12:33 mircea_popescu "do you mean the window made the seat or it allowed the seat ? by as in by picasso or as in by god ?"
12:35 nubbins` SEAT... by Window
12:36 mircea_popescu so how long should a li-ion battery hold its charge without discarching or recharging ? a month ? a year ?
12:37 thestringpuller sometimes it feels like they can go a year
12:37 thestringpuller definitely a month
12:38 mircea_popescu aha
12:39 nubbins` month sounds safe
12:39 nubbins` longer than that is probably suspect
12:40 mircea_popescu so basically you can't put a tesla in storage.
12:41 mircea_popescu this is a very interesting sidepoint to the whole electric car thing. a car YOU MUST FIDDLE WITH
12:41 thestringpuller you can't put a real car in storage
12:41 thestringpuller with gas
12:41 mircea_popescu much like the smartphone revolution is to a large degree, for the anthropologist at least, "the phone you can't forget about"
12:41 thestringpuller if you keep gas in the tank it ruins the fuel system
12:41 thestringpuller be it carbeurated or fuel injection
12:41 mircea_popescu thestringpuller so what do i do, take a laptop battery to the tesla, start it enough to drive to charging station ?
12:42 thestringpuller you'd have to do the same thing for if you put a combustion vehicle in long term storage
12:42 thestringpuller it's always recommended you remove the fuel from the gas tank before putting into storage
12:42 mircea_popescu hm.
12:42 thestringpuller the only other option is to put fuel preservatives
12:43 thestringpuller also depending on climate control the starter system could go dead in long term storage of a car
12:43 thestringpuller so you may need to tow the vehicle to a shop to do "wake up from comatose" work on it
12:44 thestringpuller i imagine with a tesla you just bring a single battery with you and drive to chargin station
12:44 mircea_popescu thestringpuller i had no idea of this theory.
12:44 mircea_popescu what's more, neither does the dmv : http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/laying_up.html
12:44 assbot Leaving a car unused | AA
12:44 mircea_popescu Fuel matters Petrol will stay fresh in a sealed container for about a year
12:45 mircea_popescu http://www.dmv.org/how-to-guides/storage.php
12:45 assbot Storing Your Vehicle for Long Periods of Time - How To Guides at DMV.org: The DMV Made Simple
12:45 thestringpuller yup these are decent guides
12:45 mircea_popescu their only advice is to fill the tank, which is what i knew on the topic too
12:45 mircea_popescu yes gasoline fractionally evaporates, but only in open atmosphere
12:45 thestringpuller damn i forgot all about oil congealing
12:46 mircea_popescu otherwise in a closed tank its own vapor pressure prevents it
12:46 thestringpuller if you have synthetic oil you may be good up to 5 years
12:46 thestringpuller but after long term storage with oil just sitting you would also want to do an immediate oil change
12:46 mircea_popescu yes, sure, you'll drive it for a tune-up.
12:47 mircea_popescu but the key there is, drive it.
12:47 thestringpuller with carburated vehicles if fuel stays in the carbs is clogs
12:47 thestringpuller it*
12:47 nubbins` http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/florida-woman-surgery-add-breast-article-1.1948199
12:47 assbot Florida woman has surgery to add third breast to make herself 'unatttractive to men' - NY Daily News
12:47 thestringpuller you may need starter fluid
12:47 mircea_popescu so you mean like, back i nthe 70s ?!
12:47 thestringpuller yes back in the 70's
12:47 thestringpuller XD
12:47 mircea_popescu nubbins` most unlikely to backfire plan of the year.
12:47 thestringpuller but I see your point mr. popescu
12:47 thestringpuller I guess we'll just have to wait an see with the long term storage of tesla's and electric vehicles in general
12:48 thestringpuller maybe someone invents a battery that can hold a charge for a lifetime and it's all moot
12:48 nubbins` heh
12:48 mircea_popescu more likely, someone invents tesla charger that works
12:48 mircea_popescu i mean, tesla as in nikolai. the distance thing
12:48 nubbins` yes, certainly a third breast will help her escape unwanted attentions
12:48 jurov there are already solar trickle chargers (obv. they work only outside)
12:49 thestringpuller hmm wireless charging has yet to become a thing even though the tech has existed a century
12:49 mircea_popescu jurov storing a car outside is unlikely to be invented soon
12:49 thestringpuller that would be ideal though
12:50 mircea_popescu nubbins` that shit's giving me eyes 3d sensations.
12:50 thestringpuller (wirelessly charging the vehicle)
12:50 mircea_popescu like i gotta defocus or something
12:50 mircea_popescu "Tridevil has aspirations to be a reality star, and hopes to get a show on MTV." woman does not want to date, because she wants to be on mtv.
12:51 mircea_popescu conceivably she also does not want to eat because she prefers to graze and so on.
12:51 jurov http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/National_Security_Agency_headquarters,_Fort_Meade,_Maryland.jpg << most secure outside car storage
12:51 mircea_popescu jurov those may be street art.
12:51 jurov dunno, un teh us, actual cars are cheaper
12:52 nubbins` mp watch the video on the bottom of the article
12:52 nubbins` brutal
12:52 mircea_popescu soo are we inviting her over for tits and biscuits ?
12:53 nubbins` seems insufferable, you go ahead
12:53 mircea_popescu lol. what's with all the youtube chicks, "hey guise, there is something i want to talk about today"
12:53 mircea_popescu could just go hg-tisi wttat!
12:53 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/30BXH5Y.txt )
12:53 thestringpuller !b 2
12:54 mircea_popescu nubbins` honestly, she just sounds desperately in need of guidance.
12:54 nubbins` ya think?
12:55 mircea_popescu myeah.
12:55 mircea_popescu what gave it away, right /
12:55 nubbins` heh
12:55 mircea_popescu lol "i have all these 18-28 friends and i don't know anyone who is successful"
12:55 nubbins` best part is when she says she's been working since age 15 and now owns a house, car, and motorcycle
12:56 mircea_popescu o, that being successful ?
12:56 mircea_popescu anyway, why so tense.
12:58 nubbins` "i worked from ages 15-20 and now own a house"
12:58 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/Uku02mU.jpg?1
12:58 thestringpuller !conference
12:58 thestringpuller what's the command!
12:58 thestringpuller !con
12:58 thestringpuller !conf
12:58 thestringpuller :(
12:58 jurov http://www.wired.com/2014/09/mit-students-face-aggressive-subpoena-demanding-source-code-bitcoin-mining-tool/
12:58 assbot MIT Students Battle State's Demand for Their Bitcoin Miner's Source Code | WIRED
12:58 nubbins` thestringpuller: $
12:58 thestringpuller $conference
12:58 empyex thestringpuller: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.29662096 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
12:58 jurov placing a js miner = fraud...
12:59 thestringpuller mod6: ^
12:59 nubbins` jurov iirc it was voluntary?
12:59 mircea_popescu jurov wait someone wrote an "aggressive" supoena for a github repo ?
12:59 mircea_popescu no tcp/ip where they live or what
12:59 jurov nubbins` dunno "it was never actually functional"
13:00 jurov whole article is a mess
13:00 mircea_popescu wired baby you're such a highway hooker.
13:03 mircea_popescu kay so going for a meeting. if anyone asks tell 'em i'ma be back in about an hour. laters!
13:03 thestringpuller where di mircea_popescu go?
13:03 thestringpuller $depth mpoe
13:03 empyex thestringpuller: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=202 Or use a valid MPSIC!
13:04 thestringpuller $depth s.mpoe
13:04 empyex thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 18667 @ 0.00074572 21900 @ 0.00074529 18714 @ 0.00074498 23400 @ 0.00074485
13:04 empyex thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 11592 @ 0.00074644 27792 @ 0.00075257 21815 @ 0.00075384 7997 @ 0.00075406
13:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00074572 = 10.0672 BTC [-]
13:06 ben_vulpes http://calagator.org/events/1250466855 << god bless portland
13:07 assbot Church of Robotron Calagator: Portland's Tech Calendar
13:09 mod6 thestringpuller: thx
13:15 nubbins` http://imgur.com/RIasguO
13:15 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
13:15 nubbins` mailman came :D
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13:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.0007455 = 7.6414 BTC [-] {2}
13:34 thestringpuller ;;ticker
13:34 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.07, Best ask: 402.83, Bid-ask spread: 2.76000, Last trade: 402.84, 24 hour volume: 12135.18562964, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 409.38, 24 hour vwap: 400.68935094
13:35 thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe
13:35 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074529 / 0.00074994 / 0.00075406 (1007833 shares, 755.82 BTC), 7D: 0.00074529 / 0.00075053 / 0.00076085 (4250760 shares, 3,190.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.0007551 / 0.00086605 (16406165 shares, 12,388.44 BTC)
13:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00074644 = 0.5972 BTC [+]
13:51 mircea_popescu !up julia_
13:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10792 @ 0.00074644 = 8.0556 BTC [+]
13:51 mircea_popescu julia_ you the chick with the guns ?
13:52 julia_ yes
13:52 julia_ you asked for me.
13:52 mircea_popescu soo, what's this business about trolls,
13:53 mircea_popescu and what's this business about hacked exchanges ?
13:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5908 @ 0.0007504 = 4.4334 BTC [+]
13:53 mircea_popescu as to http://bravetheworld.com/ if you try submitting a comment form it dies, check it out for yourself.
13:53 assbot CHAOS BEGETS FREEDOM | Brave The World | bravetheworld.com
13:56 julia_ my site has been completely fucked up recently
13:56 julia_ waiting to hear by from my host.
13:56 mircea_popescu looks like someone in the process of learning php has been editing the wp-comments files.
13:57 julia_ so should be resolved soon. feel free to post some hate next week
13:57 mircea_popescu this is part of what im trying to figure out. why is it you think i should hate you again ?
13:57 thestringpuller how did mircea_popescu ask for you?
13:57 mircea_popescu did we talk before or something ?
13:57 julia_ looks like someone is trying to "fork" reality with assumptions ;)
13:58 mircea_popescu yes, well, i don't hate people for that.
13:58 julia_ he was kind enough to email me so advice
13:58 julia_ some*
13:58 julia_ and I was kind enough to email him some advice :)
13:58 mircea_popescu julia_ is this some kind of you're young and powerless and people just keep kicking you around so you figure everyone's gonna at the very least try or what.
13:59 julia_ and maybe you guys would have more fun trolling me to my face instead of drawing conclusions from my linkedin account
13:59 mircea_popescu but when! and who! did that ?
14:00 mircea_popescu !s julia linkedin
14:00 assbot 0 results for 'julia linkedin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=julia+linkedin
14:00 julia_ haha
14:02 mircea_popescu !up BlueMeanie4
14:02 julia_ +danielpbarron
14:02 mircea_popescu julia_ that it ? mkay. so outside of being an anarchist hottie, what is it you do ? and what is it you want to do ?
14:02 BlueMeanie4 hello from Murica
14:03 julia_ well this is underwhelming - disappointment sets in
14:03 mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 they let you in ?!
14:03 julia_ are you being sincere +mircea_popescu
14:03 mircea_popescu julia_ yes.
14:03 mircea_popescu the thing with me is that im sincere.
14:04 bounce ah, you're sure you're not looking for abuse, down the hall?
14:04 mircea_popescu lol
14:04 mircea_popescu julia_ are you old enough to grok that reference incidentally ?
14:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6863 @ 0.00074485 = 5.1119 BTC [-]
14:05 julia_ I'm an anti-state propagandist maybe. I want to do what I can to move towards something different. I don't know what I CAN do yet, except learn through experimentation
14:06 mircea_popescu oh i see where you were discussed.
14:06 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2014#839641
14:06 assbot Logged on 22-09-2014 13:51:44; cazalla: seo marketer, anarchist, friend of jeff berwick and amir
14:06 julia_ I've only done into the btc black hole 4 months ago, but I don;t think I'll be coming out
14:06 julia_ I haven't done seo for years btw...
14:06 mircea_popescu mkay, so what you want to do is get in the wot for one, and come up with something practical to do for the other.
14:07 julia_ And I find it odd that people think I'm a puppet. My content would be a lot better if I was...I hope
14:07 mircea_popescu julia_ i wouldn't be too worried about it, half the kids on the internet claimed to be doing seo at some point in their life. it's like being cowboy for the 70s.
14:07 julia_ do I want to get in on wot, ..I haven't decided.
14:07 mircea_popescu there's something to decide ?
14:08 julia_ hahahah i hated doing it. but I got my fam business ranked very well so w/e
14:08 chetty nothing ventured julia_ is certainly nothing gained
14:08 bounce you probably should anyway. with a bitcoin address if you're not into the gpg key waving thing
14:08 mircea_popescu chetty more like, if she does next time someone makes a julia_ and starts talking here we can tell if it's her or not
14:09 julia_ ye +chetty indeed
14:09 chetty there you go, being all practical and all
14:09 julia_ ye I get it i know
14:09 bounce might as well ask an ircop (found in #freenode) to have nickserv release julia.
14:09 julia_ trust. i just dont see myself coming back often enough to bother
14:09 mircea_popescu dude i can scarcely imagine the kingdom of flies this socialmedia internet must be if the first notion in the head of anyone is that they're going to be hated or something.
14:10 bounce for verily, nickserv says: Registered : Sep 05 10:19:56 2012, Last seen : Sep 05 12:14:19 2012
14:10 mircea_popescu julia_ you know this is where bitcoin happens. you're basically saying you'll be part of the extra-new-york counterculture or something
14:10 julia_ im just curious what you wanted to achieve with that email mircea
14:11 mircea_popescu i wanted to see if you can do something meaningful or not ready yet.
14:11 julia_ is this where bitcoin happens? hmm what a claim. I see it happening elsewhere
14:11 mircea_popescu so you think.
14:11 mircea_popescu granted, an easy misapprehension to form.
14:12 julia_ I want to see if I can do something meaningful too. and it's better to do things when you're not ready. or else things will be stale
14:12 mircea_popescu quite.
14:14 julia_ ""I believe in doing things too soon. In striking before the iron is hot, in leaping before one has looked, in loving before one has been introduced. Nearly all the great and exciting things in life have been done by men who did them too soon. It was far, far too soon for Columbus to set out on his crazy trip to the New World. The ether was not ready for Beethoven when he began a symphony on a dominant seventh. Shelley,
14:14 julia_ ^ much feels. :D
14:14 mircea_popescu mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << trilema ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes.
14:14 mircea_popescu julia_ ok, so what is it you want to do ?
14:15 julia_ +cazalla nothing to say to me?
14:15 mircea_popescu (course, shelley talks of men, not necessarily women, but hey, let's gloss)
14:15 mircea_popescu he's prolly still asleep. aussie.
14:16 julia_ well if it's too soon, how can I know? :P I think ideas have to just manifest and find a vehicle. I'd like to be a vehicle for something that can affect change. maybe that will never happen...but process is fun. I've learned a lot...more to come I'm sure. I'm very raw still. so don't assume I think much of myself because I don't in fact that's the only thing that gets to me.
14:17 mircea_popescu what, just in general, change ?
14:17 julia_ no- he was saying I was a puppet earlier :P
14:17 julia_ yes that's vague, change...
14:17 julia_ let me see here...how to phrase it
14:18 chetty well being raw makes it easy for someone with more experience to pull the strings .. worht keepíng an eye out
14:18 mircea_popescu julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?
14:18 julia_ I think there's generational propaganda, different in every region. but if a minority of people escape the thinking they've been granted by states and the framework of their time, then they can build alternative systems.
14:19 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!" << totally.
14:19 julia_ +chetty oh now you're looking out for me? im autonomous. if I have any power, it's in that fact.
14:19 bounce "thinking granted by the state"? o_O?
14:20 mircea_popescu she paradoxically has a point there. a lot of low level / common man thinking happens as a linguistic and paralinguistic construct
14:20 julia_ ye, like everything else. people are born into systems thinking they owe those systems something, and they can;t fathom living a different way
14:20 mircea_popescu as state controls kid education to a large degree...
14:20 chetty wow, its a general statemant julia_ , I keep my eyes open too, lot of would be puppet masters out there
14:20 mircea_popescu chetty really ?! i'd have thought there's not even a dozen that can be bothered.
14:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00074485 = 6.1823 BTC [-]
14:21 ben_vulpes julia_: since you're falling down the black hole, have you dabbled in GPG yet?
14:21 chetty well I didnt say good ones, mircea_popescu
14:21 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i'll bet you she dunno know what it is.
14:21 mircea_popescu -know
14:21 ben_vulpes duknow
14:22 mircea_popescu maybe pete should change his name again. pete duknow
14:22 mircea_popescu !up julia_
14:22 bounce yeah hm. AFAIK often enough not wilful propaganda. though there's states with lots of that too, of course.
14:22 mircea_popescu what's willful even mean at that level.
14:22 bounce more like prevailing strains of thought, like how n/w yurp education systems are typically filled with left-leaning do-gooders and the material reflects that
14:23 julia_ i use mailvelope
14:23 mircea_popescu and how's this not wilful ?
14:23 julia_ and bitmessage
14:23 julia_ is that what u mean? encryption
14:23 mircea_popescu julia_ why ?
14:23 thestringpuller i thought bitmessage was dead...
14:23 ben_vulpes julia_: can you encrypt and decrypt arbitrary strings with that or just emails?
14:23 bounce lack of a central steering committee with clear agenda
14:23 mircea_popescu thestringpuller no because people are born in systems etc.
14:24 julia_ mailvelope is strictly a gmail addon i believe
14:24 mircea_popescu julia_ look, they're both gimmicks. gpg is the actual core of bitcoin.
14:24 mircea_popescu conceptually.
14:24 bounce so it more or less arises from prevailing opinions floating around without concious decision to put it in. steering by unthinking.
14:24 ben_vulpes julia_: there's no cost to WoT entry beyond showing up with keys. if you can decrypt a string encrypted to your public key, you can enter the WoT.
14:25 mircea_popescu bounce yeah well, the unintrospected can still be wilful.
14:25 bounce (perhaps the inverse of wilful un-thinking expected from the polit crowd in 1984)
14:25 julia_ I'm learning still. if you told me I'd be beta testing open bazaar a few months ago I'd just go wide eyed
14:25 ben_vulpes but if you're stuck with a tool that holds you'll only ever want to en/decrypt emails, you've been sold a load.
14:25 ben_vulpes (and i have an altcoin to sell you too ;P)
14:26 mircea_popescu bridgecoin!
14:26 julia_ aight link me i'll go head and do it.
14:26 mircea_popescu uhh the fuck was it.
14:26 mircea_popescu ;;google first steps bitcoin assets
14:26 gribble start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>; ATO Provides First Guidance Note on Bitcoin - DigitalBTC: <http://www.digitalbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/ATO-Provides-First-Guidance-Note- (1 more message)
14:26 ben_vulpes ;;google first steps bitcoin-assets
14:26 gribble start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>; ATO Provides First Guidance Note on Bitcoin - DigitalBTC: <http://www.digitalbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/ATO-Provides-First-Guidance-Note-on- (1 more message)
14:26 mircea_popescu USELESS GOOGLE
14:26 ben_vulpes dang.
14:26 bounce what was it again, there's a few people, among them an activist married couple from texas, that have lots of undue influence in the content of schoolbooks in large parts of the us, because they influence the texas schoolboard with their personal agenda, then that cascades through the system by sheer force of purchase volume
14:26 ben_vulpes http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/
14:26 assbot start [bitcoin assets wiki]
14:26 mircea_popescu julia_ http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
14:26 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
14:26 julia_ nothing is that difficult. it's only a matter of bothering i find.
14:27 bounce that'd be wilful.
14:27 ben_vulpes http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
14:27 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
14:27 mircea_popescu lmao ben_vulpes stop copying me
14:27 ben_vulpes lmao mircea_popescu stop copying me
14:27 mircea_popescu this is wilful infringement of chatlines intellectual propertah
14:27 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx4jn77VKlQ
14:27 assbot Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube
14:27 ben_vulpes there's only trolls in this channel!
14:27 ben_vulpes what sort of non serious capital oriented blahblah tits etc
14:27 bounce oh, I just copyrighted and trademarked wilful, so now you both owe me fiddy gazzillion dollahs
14:29 julia_ ty
14:29 thestringpuller mircea_popescu sounds like cartman sometimes.
14:29 mircea_popescu julia_ lemme explain the difference. all usable encryption is based on asymetric keys. this is a keyword you can look up.
14:30 mircea_popescu gpg gives the end user control of the almighty keys
14:30 mircea_popescu the bullshit nsa-sponsored solutions, whatever they may be called, do not.
14:30 ben_vulpes ;;google ultimate gpg key
14:30 gribble Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal: <https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/>; edit-key - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/r899.html>; gpg --batch --yes --edit-key trust - GnuPG and GNUTLS Mailing List ...: <http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2010-July/039213.html>
14:30 mircea_popescu this difference is as essential as the difference between linux and running proprietary ms code you can't modify or even read.
14:31 ben_vulpes (julia_: that's a good place to start with creating your own keys and keeping them safe. this is just as important as keeping your btc privkey safe, if not more so.)
14:31 julia_ i have a PGP key, that's different ye?
14:31 bounce neh. details.
14:31 ben_vulpes well, "what's a key?"
14:31 ben_vulpes the master? the decryption key? the signing key?
14:31 mircea_popescu as long as you use gpg, you're an individual, and can be interacted with as such. as long as you use anything else, including nothing at all, you're not, and whatever you may like to think or claim, can never actually be interacted with as an individual, except if you live in a 1900s reenaction camp where the intenret doesn't exist.
14:31 mircea_popescu julia_ not at all.
14:32 bounce both should be openpgp format. there might be some differences in algorithms supported, but both should work together well enough.
14:32 mircea_popescu exactly the same thing. pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof.
14:32 julia_ so my pgp sig is what you're talking about?
14:32 julia_ ok then I'm aware.
14:33 mircea_popescu smart girl huh.
14:33 ben_vulpes brought her around once upon a time for a reason mircea_popescu
14:33 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i magically have no recollection of this ?!
14:33 ben_vulpes different handle back then
14:33 mircea_popescu what was it ?
14:33 ben_vulpes julia_: ?
14:33 julia_ ive had that for a while, i didn;t know this part "pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof." thanks
14:34 mircea_popescu julia_ so what's your key fingerprint ?
14:34 chetty http://twitchy.com/2014/09/22/irony-overload-check-out-what-the-nypd-used-to-pop-floodwallstreets-carbon-bubble/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter
14:34 assbot Irony overload! Check out what the NYPD used to pop #FloodWallStreet’s ‘carbon bubble’ [photos] | Twitchy
14:34 julia_ 5B51 A372 0F49 6281 ACA2 287E 1057 2E34 9297 B40F
14:34 mircea_popescu i see you hav the public key published, but something like http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/ is better practice
14:34 assbot Contact : PGP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:34 mircea_popescu aha ty
14:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.155075 = 0.6203 BTC [+] {3}
14:35 julia_ am I still a puppet? or maybe I'm actually interested in this stuff. hmmmm
14:35 mircea_popescu so now you do ;;eregister [username] [pgp key LONG ID]
14:36 ben_vulpes !s bravetheworld
14:36 assbot 98 results for 'bravetheworld' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bravetheworld
14:36 mircea_popescu oh anjie's friend ?
14:37 julia_ ah right so i did register ages ago?
14:37 mircea_popescu julia_ how is miss castillo these days ?
14:37 bounce ;;gpg info bravetheworld
14:37 gribble No such user registered.
14:37 julia_ mk right - i remember now
14:37 bounce doesn't have a search-by-keyid thingy, does it?
14:38 mircea_popescu bounce yes it does.
14:38 julia_ ok where am i typing these commands? http://technerd.net/nickserv.html
14:38 assbot NickServ allows you to
14:38 mircea_popescu julia_ right in here.
14:38 mircea_popescu julia_ seems you never did, and you're prolly well advised to register something like juliat or JuliaTourianski or w/e.
14:38 bounce you prefix them with /msg nickserv
14:39 julia_ why do u advise that
14:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22642 @ 0.00074544 = 16.8783 BTC [+]
14:39 bounce (or you do /query nickserv then take it from there)
14:39 mircea_popescu because it'll save you the chagrin of working for a year as bitcoinpete only to change it later to pete d
14:39 julia_ ok so if i follow these instructions in the order it should be smooth http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
14:39 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
14:39 mircea_popescu yes.
14:40 mircea_popescu and if it isn't, feel free to post your hate here.
14:44 mircea_popescu !up JuliaTourianski_
14:45 JuliaTourianski_ says my email is not valid
14:45 ben_vulpes what's complaining about email hm?
14:46 mats_cd03 14:14:38 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << trilema ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes.
14:46 mircea_popescu !up olil3olli3
14:46 mats_cd03 and here i thought SEO was this thing aside from creating content
14:46 mats_cd03 guess not.
14:47 mircea_popescu it is, but it's things like not putting a ton of meaningless markup and generally it's "not doing idiotic shit"
14:47 mircea_popescu for most sane individuals most seo should be directly obvious
14:47 mircea_popescu which makes it the direct equivalent of dating advice. something people living in the us need.
14:47 JuliaTourianski_ regarding seo, after hummingbird the emphasis on content and new content in particular was raised. sm as well
14:48 mircea_popescu what's humingbird
14:48 JuliaTourianski_ i mostly did creative local seo, on page keywords and content rather than paying for off page seo
14:48 JuliaTourianski_ google releases updates in the way they rank websites
14:49 JuliaTourianski_ hummingbird was one that really hurt off page seo (like paying for links etc) because it made new content vital
14:49 mircea_popescu when was this ?
14:49 JuliaTourianski_ ages ago
14:50 JuliaTourianski_ let me think...like last winter
14:50 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YDHKSQ.txt )
14:50 ben_vulpes !b 2
14:50 mircea_popescu ahahaha waht are you, 19 ?! last winter was ages ago ?
14:50 JuliaTourianski_ i haven;t done any significant seo since then so I don;t follow it now, im sure there have been more updates since
14:50 JuliaTourianski_ anyways- im trying to register and says email is invalid
14:50 mircea_popescu who says ? nickserv ?
14:51 JuliaTourianski_ ye
14:51 JuliaTourianski_ -NickServ- [juliatourianski@gmail.com] is not a valid email address.
14:51 mircea_popescu uh.
14:51 mircea_popescu no []
14:51 mircea_popescu those are metasyntactic characters.
14:51 kakobrekla use <> instead
14:51 mircea_popescu kakobrekla stop trolling the girl omg!
14:52 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ use nothing. go nude for it!
14:52 kakobrekla sexist.
14:52 mircea_popescu i am not sexist, i am straight.
14:52 kakobrekla fuckin feminist mp.
14:52 mircea_popescu the difference is negligible.
14:53 JuliaTourianski_ you guys know I have a anti-feminist series
14:53 mircea_popescu is it any good ?
14:53 bounce such antiism
14:53 mircea_popescu antitism
14:54 mircea_popescu anyway, i guess i am probably the most feminist here.
14:54 Bet created: "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/
14:54 JuliaTourianski_ it's my biggest video
14:54 mircea_popescu link ?
14:55 ben_vulpes how many mb?
14:55 ben_vulpes !up JuliaTourianski_
14:56 JuliaTourianski_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-LCohouNDc my wokr b4 bitcoin :P ahahah much embarrassment but ppl love the drama
14:56 assbot Declare War on Feminism: The Body, Sex & Rape - YouTube
14:57 mircea_popescu got the script anywhere?
14:58 JuliaTourianski_ ye somewhere
15:01 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 3(Y):97(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,994.
15:01 Duffer1 nubs? :P
15:02 mircea_popescu so if silver actually falls under 15 it means the nominal value of the us pound would be like 240 dollars or so ?
15:02 mircea_popescu uk pound*
15:02 mircea_popescu not bad, 24`000% inflation in a century.
15:02 The20YearIRCloud i'm curious how low silver can go
15:03 mircea_popescu historically it ended up pretty low.
15:03 The20YearIRCloud I'd love to buy some more ASEs
15:03 Duffer1 ase?
15:04 mircea_popescu eagles
15:04 Duffer1 ah
15:04 mircea_popescu definitely more practical "survival" coinage than the golden stuff.
15:04 mircea_popescu course a bitch to handle, but hey.
15:06 JuliaTourianski_ ;;eregister JuliaTourianski_ 10572E349297B40F
15:06 The20YearIRCloud Eh, a roll of silver dollars is pretty portable and decently valuable
15:06 gribble Request successful for user JuliaTourianski_, hostmask JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/10572E349297B40F
15:06 The20YearIRCloud enough now adays for two cases of ammo
15:06 ben_vulpes *drumroll*
15:06 The20YearIRCloud or a month's worth of groceries
15:06 Bet created: "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/
15:07 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud i dunno where you find your women, but a coupla hundred bucks doesn't buy a month's worth of groceries.
15:07 The20YearIRCloud Does for us
15:07 The20YearIRCloud we spend $100ish a week
15:07 ben_vulpes they're midwestern groceries. mostly corn syrup.
15:07 mircea_popescu o.O
15:07 mircea_popescu $100 a week ?!
15:08 The20YearIRCloud yes, all processed foods, HFCS and white bread
15:08 mircea_popescu dude i gotta reevaluate oh.
15:08 Duffer1 that's about my food bill per week also
15:08 ben_vulpes no meat, no veg. just foamed corn syrup with 'nutrients'.
15:08 The20YearIRCloud My family of 4
15:08 mircea_popescu yeah well. i think stuff is cheap here, but i go through anchoves, artichokes, fresh strawberries etc.
15:08 The20YearIRCloud around here we buy and crush up a few multivitamins + flinstones chewables, and make into the HFCS syrup
15:09 ben_vulpes hee hee
15:09 mircea_popescu comes to about 1-2k a month, for a "family" of four.
15:09 The20YearIRCloud By anchovies you mean caviar?
15:09 mircea_popescu no, i mean anchovies.
15:09 mircea_popescu it's this small fish.
15:09 The20YearIRCloud they're pretty darn cheap here
15:09 The20YearIRCloud maybe $4-$5/lb
15:09 mircea_popescu in ohio ?!
15:09 The20YearIRCloud artichokes are pretty cheap as well
15:09 The20YearIRCloud Yeah
15:10 mircea_popescu ohio is landlocked what are you talking about 5 bucks a lb
15:10 lobbes not to mention property values are stupidly cheap in oh
15:10 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 3(Y):97(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,984.
15:10 The20YearIRCloud Fish markets in columbus, they have fresh fish shipped in via air or same-day freight
15:10 The20YearIRCloud We're less than a day away from the atlantic ocean, only 2 from the pacific
15:10 mircea_popescu italian imports are about 10 bucks for 3 ounces./
15:11 The20YearIRCloud I can go to columbus and get lobster/crab that was caught less than 36hrs prior to arriving here
15:11 mircea_popescu less than 36 hours ?
15:11 The20YearIRCloud About there
15:11 bounce the wonders of cheap fuel
15:11 The20YearIRCloud <12hrs from boat to truck, truck drive from say maine or somewhere is less than 12hrs here to Ohio
15:12 thestringpuller Ohio isn't landlocked
15:12 mircea_popescu i had good experiences with just caught lobster in boston.
15:12 The20YearIRCloud We have lake erie
15:12 thestringpuller Cleveland is a lack city.
15:12 lobbes ohio has 'The North Coast'
15:12 thestringpuller lake*
15:12 The20YearIRCloud so all the walleye and perch you could ever hope for!
15:12 mircea_popescu that's something. perch is pretty good.
15:13 The20YearIRCloud It's about 2hrs from me, rent a boat and get all the perch you want for a $25 yearly permit
15:13 The20YearIRCloud My brother-in-law was there in August, spent about 2 hours and caught the limit. He and his friends had 150kg of fish within 3 hours
15:14 mircea_popescu i heard the us fish and wildlife's been spending a lot to repopulate inland waters.
15:15 The20YearIRCloud Lake erie is fantastic, all the great lakes are. What's in trouble are coastal waters as the government has a pretty stupid deal to 'help' fishermen on the coats
15:15 The20YearIRCloud *coasts
15:15 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud the moral of the story being something like, "it's the land of the thrifty" down there huh ?
15:15 The20YearIRCloud They all run tax scams - Fish, sell fish tax free, claim no money on taxes and take government bailouts when all possible
15:16 mircea_popescu sucks.
15:16 The20YearIRCloud So, by the government's estimates, all fishermen are poor, so they should be free to do whatever they want, and laws are set up to prevent inland fisheries from producing farm-able fish
15:17 The20YearIRCloud Like with that BP oil spill, there were hundreds, maybe thousands of fishermen that were all cash businesses who claimed only $50k on taxes, but in fact were doing $500k-$1m/year just themselves with a boat, and BP only re-embursed them based on what they claimed on taxes
15:17 mircea_popescu haha
15:17 mircea_popescu o so THAT's why so pissed off huh
15:18 The20YearIRCloud I think Obama ended up saying they could go up to 3x of claimed taxes, maybe more. But what happened in the end many went under because they had been cheating taxes for 20+ years and it finally caught up with them.
15:18 The20YearIRCloud Those that were honest, or had enough reserve capital to buy more boats and keep themselves through hard times (Katrina & the oil spill) are now doing fantastic
15:18 mircea_popescu this us you speak of sounds more and more argentinian by the minute.
15:19 bounce rejoice while there's still fish. apparently the aswan dam is doing its part in depopulating the mediteranean
15:19 thestringpuller bounce is so pessimistic
15:19 ben_vulpes yeah, except for the terrifying usg war machine.
15:19 mircea_popescu bounce that dam was there for 50 years.
15:19 bounce been busy for 50 years too
15:19 mircea_popescu hardly, tbh.
15:19 The20YearIRCloud There's tons of that, people don't understand how big cash business is in the US
15:19 mircea_popescu just, 50 years ago the current interest to make egypt poor didn't quite exist.
15:20 The20YearIRCloud i'd venture to say that 1/4th of all money paid in the US is via a non-taxable, cash event
15:20 JuliaTourianski_ ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:13b5523f61f36a8137e4701bf2c86fcee94b6a2b5b134299d470cd26
15:20 gribble Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_ with key 10572E349297B40F
15:20 The20YearIRCloud Are your anchovies imported fresh/live mircea_popescu ?
15:20 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud if that's true, which it could be depending how you define "economy", then the country is a lot more stable than it looks
15:20 mircea_popescu even if its government isn't.
15:20 RagnarDanneskjol I don't think there's that much paper cash in circulation
15:20 JuliaTourianski_ look. "Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_"
15:20 Apocalyptic well done
15:21 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud anchovies are eaten matured, which means, salted and kept in extra virgin olive oil for a dozen weeks
15:21 The20YearIRCloud US is huge ,and hard to understand. The economy of my state alone is extraordinarily complex
15:21 JuliaTourianski_ teehee- where's my lollypop?
15:21 mircea_popescu !up Dimsler
15:21 ben_vulpes ;;ident
15:21 gribble Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
15:21 mircea_popescu ;;ident JuliaTourianski_
15:21 gribble Nick 'JuliaTourianski_', with hostmask 'JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231', is identified as user 'JuliaTourianski_', with GPG key id 10572E349297B40F, key fingerprint 5B51A3720F496281ACA2287E10572E349297B40F, and bitcoin address None
15:21 bounce what's with the _ though?
15:21 mircea_popescu rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.
15:21 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_,
15:21 Dimsler bitcoin magazine editor from toronto?
15:21 ben_vulpes ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blod
15:21 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.
15:21 The20YearIRCloud It's amazing how quickly we came out of a $1 billion dollar/year budget deficit to having a $2b surplus and cash in the bank
15:21 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
15:21 mircea_popescu whose, gribbs.
15:21 The20YearIRCloud Yet almost nothing was cut
15:21 ben_vulpes mine, you missed the semis
15:21 The20YearIRCloud in terms of state expenses.
15:21 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ now you can identify with gribble and self-voice by pm-ing assbot !up
15:21 mircea_popescu try it.
15:21 ben_vulpes ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blood
15:21 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user JuliaTourianski_ has changed from 1 to 1.
15:22 mircea_popescu ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.
15:22 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.
15:22 The20YearIRCloud ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ why not?
15:22 gribble Error: 'why' is not a valid integer.
15:22 Dimsler what brings Julia to this channel?
15:22 The20YearIRCloud ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.
15:22 mircea_popescu Dimsler amusingly enough, danielpbarron
15:22 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.
15:22 Dimsler LOL
15:22 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes tried to do it but he FAILED because he SUCKS. whereas daniel inadvertently managed.
15:22 mircea_popescu because he's a smooth operator.
15:23 JuliaTourianski_ lmircea made me
15:23 Dimsler lol the toronto bitcoin meets are so damned bad
15:24 ben_vulpes i failed?
15:24 JuliaTourianski_ daniel is in love with me. his love was magnetic
15:24 ben_vulpes lolk
15:24 JuliaTourianski_ ye they r
15:24 The20YearIRCloud that sounds messy
15:25 mircea_popescu Dimsler why ?
15:25 Dimsler its a marathon of misinformation and greed
15:25 The20YearIRCloud I'd like to try some of the imported anchovies you're eating, compared to our welfare-state anchovies here
15:25 The20YearIRCloud the $2/lb stuff
15:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1200 @ 0.000691 = 0.8292 BTC [-] {3}
15:26 RagnarDanneskjol ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 hottie
15:26 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.
15:26 The20YearIRCloud Here's imported stuff for $25/lb - http://www.igourmet.com/shoppe/Italian-Anchovy-Fillets-in-Bail-Top-Glass-Jar.asp?src=froogle&gclid=CjwKEAjwkf-gBRCd-b2m2aOo0EQSJABMeQDkF69LJ1QQu-of7LFld4tRDH0DNwKhuJ1CJ21aIV1QvRoChXHw_wcB
15:26 mircea_popescu ;;google buy agostino recca in ohio
15:26 gribble Amazon.com : "Agostino Recca" Fillets of Anchovies : Packaged ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Agostino-Recca-Fillets-Anchovies/dp/B004F7T49W>; Anchovy My Baby - Slice: <http://slicefoodinsights.com/anchovy-my-baby/>; Taste Test: The Best Anchovy Fillets | Serious Eats: <http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/10/taste-test-best-anchovies-anchovy-fillets-in-olive-oil.html>
15:26 The20YearIRCloud RagnarDanneskjol: you've seen her?
15:26 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud ^
15:26 RagnarDanneskjol yes
15:26 Dimsler i lately have been snatching up san marzano tomatoes
15:27 Dimsler italian imports
15:27 Dimsler for a good sauce
15:27 Dimsler i swear you can't do it otherwise
15:27 mircea_popescu ha ha ha you said snatching
15:27 The20YearIRCloud http://www.ditalia.com/product/273/online-italian-gourmet-grocery-essentials?utm_source=google&utm_medium=CSE&utm_campaign=google&gclid=CjwKEAjwkf-gBRCd-b2m2aOo0EQSJABMeQDkBxcAsHM-cDAxboOoG1OS_YawQDXLIlMuoWwVMbo7ehoCDmfw_wcB
15:27 assbot Pantry Essentials - Sicilian Anchovies in Oil
15:27 Dimsler lol
15:27 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ type /query assbot then in the window so opened type !up
15:27 Dimsler excuse the pun
15:27 Dimsler i gotta get out of toronto, getting cabin fever over here
15:27 Dimsler not sure if i can last another winter
15:28 mircea_popescu you coming to teh conference ?
15:28 mircea_popescu !up JuliaTourianski_
15:28 Dimsler didn't the isle of man one just finish?
15:28 The20YearIRCloud Here's anchovies off amazon for $7/lb - http://www.amazon.com/Agostino-Recca-Anchovies-Salted-Whole/dp/B0050ILYRA
15:28 assbot Amazon.com : Agostino Recca Anchovies Salted Whole Anchovies : Packaged Anchovies : Grocery & Gourmet Food
15:28 Dimsler wheres the next one
15:28 Dimsler i need a get away
15:28 Dimsler mircea_popescu, did ukraine in the summer
15:28 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud i guess im getting gypped.
15:29 Dimsler was in khrakov when they shot the mayor
15:29 Dimsler lol
15:29 mircea_popescu $conference
15:29 empyex mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.29826841 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
15:29 mircea_popescu Dimsler ^
15:29 mircea_popescu Dimsler did they shoot the deputy ?
15:29 JuliaTourianski_ ty for everyone's help - glad i bothered
15:29 Dimsler well there was no sherrif
15:29 JuliaTourianski_ where do I put in my btc address?
15:29 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ seriously up yourself so you know you can do it.
15:29 Dimsler my cyrillic is bad
15:30 JuliaTourianski_ !up JuliaTourianski_
15:30 Dimsler but i snagged up a condo for $5kusd
15:30 Dimsler and a dachia for $2k
15:30 Dimsler mmm cheap war torn realestate
15:30 RagnarDanneskjol http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication#Registration
15:30 assbot Bitcoin address authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
15:31 Dimsler mircea_popescu, you read dough casey?
15:31 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ gotta do it in pm
15:31 mircea_popescu Dimsler notrly.
15:31 JuliaTourianski_ this means I had sex with Doug- http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/whether-you-love-or-hate-it-youre-missing-what-really-matters-about-bitcoin
15:31 assbot Whether You Love It or Hate It, Youre Missing What Really Matters About Bitcoin | Casey Research
15:32 JuliaTourianski_ yup, i just did it :) ahah pm'ing myself felt counter intuitive
15:32 mircea_popescu !down JuliaTourianski_
15:32 mircea_popescu o hey.
15:32 The20YearIRCloud I don't hear many good things from guys i've known who have gone to romania. (Specifically comments about money/economics)
15:32 mircea_popescu depends where you go. bucharest is a cesspool.
15:32 The20YearIRCloud Dimsler: where is this?
15:32 Dimsler kharkov
15:32 The20YearIRCloud seriously?
15:33 Dimsler yeah man
15:33 The20YearIRCloud that's amazing
15:33 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
15:33 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ so now that you're all set up into personhood, come up with something to do so that the almighty powers of the b-a can support you
15:33 Dimsler i absolutely love eastern europe
15:33 Dimsler spent the rest of my time in budapest
15:33 Dimsler as overrated as it was
15:33 Dimsler then back to krakow
15:33 mircea_popescu shooting porn or what ?
15:33 The20YearIRCloud I have a friend in bulgaria, he has some pretty cool things going on
15:33 Dimsler mircea_popescu, LOL beat me to it
15:33 The20YearIRCloud Specifically with eastern european agriculture
15:34 JuliaTourianski_ mircea_popescu I'll try, just for you
15:34 mircea_popescu well bulgaria is like the world's gherkin capital.
15:34 JuliaTourianski_ Has anyone in here actually met me in person? Just curious
15:34 Dimsler neg, i stay away from the toronto bitcoin nerds
15:34 Dimsler they are just bad
15:34 mircea_popescu you should be keeping the list!
15:34 Dimsler no offence
15:34 JuliaTourianski_ it's too long
15:35 The20YearIRCloud i'd like to go to the toronto bitcoin conference next time it's around. That way I can say i've been in a foreign country before :D
15:35 JuliaTourianski_ i hate decentral, no worries
15:35 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, ah then we have PLENTY in common
15:35 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud canada is not foreign and barely a country :D
15:35 Dimsler i know
15:35 JuliaTourianski_ ye toronto conf was dope actually
15:35 The20YearIRCloud It is for me :D
15:35 The20YearIRCloud i can get poutine and bagged milk
15:35 mircea_popescu is bagged milk a breast reference ?
15:36 Dimsler the toronto conference was a regurgitation of miami
15:36 The20YearIRCloud No, but it could easily (Maybe should) be
15:36 Dimsler some of the bets btc meets i've had was in NYC
15:36 Dimsler because you get alot of finance guys involved
15:36 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-HUDo7XQ4
15:36 assbot Butters - "Do You Know What I Am Saying?" - YouTube
15:36 The20YearIRCloud won't the next NYC conference require a license to attend?
15:37 mircea_popescu no, it'll require a license to leave.
15:37 Dimsler lol
15:37 Dimsler will i have to send my assistant instead?
15:37 Dimsler last time had a blast in nyc at the btc conference
15:37 Dimsler ended up walking around manhattan at like 4am
15:38 JuliaTourianski_ ;;bcregister JuliaTourianski_ 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG
15:38 gribble Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.
15:38 Dimsler mircea_popescu, hahaha that episode is a classic
15:39 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ there's a special command to add an address if the acct is reg'd already
15:39 Dimsler mircea_popescu, i'll fly out to argentina for that conference
15:39 mircea_popescu Dimsler make sure you reg then!
15:39 Dimsler mircea_popescu, is it failry anon?
15:40 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ ;;changeaddress
15:40 JuliaTourianski_ changeaddress
15:40 mircea_popescu Dimsler well no, people generally know each other.
15:40 JuliaTourianski_ thats' what the wiki says
15:40 JuliaTourianski_ right
15:40 JuliaTourianski_ ;;changeaddress
15:40 gribble (changeaddress <bitcoinaddress>) -- Changes your registered address to <bitcoinaddress>. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your new address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. You must be authenticated in order to use this command.
15:40 mircea_popescu Dimsler how'd this go "hello everyone, pleased to meet you, i'm <snipped>" ? who are you meeting then.
15:41 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you said we don't have to register we can just show up
15:41 mircea_popescu sure.
15:41 Dimsler no i understand what you mean
15:41 thestringpuller yay. send in the hobos!
15:41 JuliaTourianski_ (changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG)
15:41 thestringpuller i kid i kid.
15:41 JuliaTourianski_ arg i feel so noobish.
15:41 mircea_popescu check out the lisp chick.
15:42 mircea_popescu ;;changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG
15:42 Dimsler lol
15:42 JuliaTourianski_ ;;changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG
15:42 gribble Request successful for user JuliaTourianski_, hostmask JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:183f6fd27c774070bb9152f6b72d592a8a5a07b24937afd0dbafce49
15:42 Dimsler wait a minute
15:42 bounce yes why doesn't gribble support s-expressions?!?
15:42 JuliaTourianski_ yay done
15:42 Dimsler are you the brave the world chick?
15:42 bounce not done
15:42 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ you'll have to confirm it.
15:42 mircea_popescu bounce i think it does
15:42 mircea_popescu it has a ... PYTHON evaluator :D
15:42 JuliaTourianski_ well almost
15:43 JuliaTourianski_ ye brave the world
15:43 bounce gribble is a bit stupid and nanotube won't change the confused wording there. yes I asked. oh well.
15:43 JuliaTourianski_ ok how do i confirm it
15:43 thestringpuller nanotube is a ghost
15:43 JuliaTourianski_ it gave a challenge string
15:43 thestringpuller he also doesn't acknowledge pull requests :P
15:44 RagnarDanneskjol do you have an electrum wallet Julia?
15:44 bounce you sign it with the bitcoin client, then feed the signature to bcverify
15:44 mircea_popescu ;;seen nanotube
15:44 gribble nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <nanotube> heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition to do anything 'deliberately' :)
15:44 mircea_popescu not that ghostly.
15:44 JuliaTourianski_ yes electrum
15:44 RagnarDanneskjol is the addreess you used from electrum?
15:45 RagnarDanneskjol if so, right click your address >> sign/verify
15:45 RagnarDanneskjol copy the entire string starting with "freenode:#......"
15:46 JuliaTourianski_ so i go into electrum console and i type in ....
15:46 RagnarDanneskjol easier to just right click the address you used
15:46 JuliaTourianski_ i have the old version
15:47 RagnarDanneskjol how old? - still believe you can right click addr to sign
15:47 JuliaTourianski_ oh sign verify msg?
15:47 RagnarDanneskjol right
15:47 thestringpuller is it similar to bitcoind?
15:47 RagnarDanneskjol not really
15:48 JuliaTourianski_ wow. fucking cool.
15:48 JuliaTourianski_ i was wondering what that was for
15:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 201 @ 0.01125995 = 2.2632 BTC [-] {2}
15:48 RagnarDanneskjol yes good times
15:49 JuliaTourianski_ now what command to I use to verify with the signature?
15:49 JuliaTourianski_ in here
15:49 thestringpuller ;;bcverify
15:49 gribble (bcverify <signedmessage>) -- Verify the latest authentication request by providing the <signedmessage> which contains the challenge string signed with your bitcoin address of record. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
15:49 RagnarDanneskjol yep that one
15:49 JuliaTourianski_ ;;bcverify G3nn80TtrApV3CjPg47bzTpWasmbOy0Yt+634HunWwuJcoe5kZ6mrAAD9epPR0fbyQF0UqEcGIJSrcgJEKborN4=
15:49 gribble Successfully changed address for user JuliaTourianski_ from None to 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG. You are now authenticated for user 'JuliaTourianski_' with address 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG
15:49 RagnarDanneskjol fyi julia - you can send all these messages to gribble in pm for future ref
15:50 Dimsler yes
15:50 JuliaTourianski_ nice. ty all
15:50 Dimsler please pm
15:50 JuliaTourianski_ ok. great
15:50 mircea_popescu !up eizodo
15:51 JuliaTourianski_ !up RagnarDanneskjol
15:51 JuliaTourianski_ gah.
15:51 mircea_popescu !up Dimsler
15:51 Dimsler thanks
15:51 Dimsler i gotta get out my original wallet
15:52 RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - do you want chris to do anything else with the pool - he was looking for guidance?
15:52 mircea_popescu srsly. you know you're being outdone by a noob girl over here.
15:52 Dimsler lol
15:52 Dimsler i have this thing linked to my originalest wallet ever
15:52 Dimsler from like 2011
15:52 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol notrly for now, needs some time to run
15:53 JuliaTourianski_ will anyone b at the vegas inside btc?
15:53 RagnarDanneskjol okee
15:53 RagnarDanneskjol yes Julia - I will
15:53 eizodo thanks
15:53 RagnarDanneskjol me and my dogs
15:53 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ do you go to all of these ?
15:53 Dimsler yeah i know
15:53 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, theres only like 1-2 a year worth going to
15:53 RagnarDanneskjol vegas is a good one
15:54 JuliaTourianski_ ive only been to 3 conferences
15:54 Dimsler the rest of them are just right back to introductionary speaches and covering the same topic a million times
15:54 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ you know i'm still looking for a mpex mascot.
15:54 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, have you done nyc?
15:54 mircea_popescu bwahaha the gems in the log.
15:54 mircea_popescu 22:23:09 hanbot: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did paranoia or w/e it's called lose any bitcoin this month yet ? << llamacea
15:54 mircea_popescu 22:23:50 mircea_popescu: hanbot o right. pannacotta
15:54 JuliaTourianski_ im mostly going to meet up with P byrne to be honest...not the gambling at all
15:55 JuliaTourianski_ I tend to go for the people not the conference..i maybe listen to 1 speech usually
15:55 danielpbarron ;;rate JuliaTourianski__ 1 https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld
15:55 assbot YOUR HYDRA (BraveTheWorld) | Twitter
15:55 gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
15:55 Dimsler come do nyc with us
15:55 mircea_popescu The South-Western Bathhouse Local family business in Mississauga, Ontario << is this the canadian equivalent of the mystical massage parlour ?
15:55 JuliaTourianski_ ill be in NYC right after vegas
15:56 Dimsler nyc or argentina to meet good ol mircea in person
15:56 mircea_popescu What that did - average of 100 daily hits o.O
15:56 Dimsler mircea_popescu, i do the russian bathhouse in york
15:56 Dimsler it is awesome
15:56 Dimsler good steam does the body good
15:56 kakobrekla whats with the name calling, is it better if i call it MKLF next time?
15:56 JuliaTourianski_ I own a russian bathhouse mircea_popescu
15:56 mircea_popescu Dimsler im not old enough for bathhouses yet
15:56 danielpbarron JuliaTourianski_, glad to see you joined :D
15:56 Dimsler mircea_popescu, lol oh common
15:56 Dimsler i'm not old either
15:56 mircea_popescu lol
15:56 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, which one?
15:57 JuliaTourianski_ banya.ca
15:57 Dimsler lol no way?
15:57 The20YearIRCloud in russia or canada?
15:57 JuliaTourianski_ way
15:57 Dimsler how does this place compare to the one in york?
15:57 JuliaTourianski_ I took cody wilson and amir there
15:57 The20YearIRCloud i wonder if that'd do well in Columbus or cleveland
15:57 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud in columbus quite likely.
15:58 The20YearIRCloud cleveland has a pretty big russian population compared to columbus though
15:58 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, what do you get for clients?
15:58 Dimsler the york one is nothing but gangsters and shadyness
15:58 Dimsler which is entertaining as hell
15:58 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud yeah but probably easier to break into the market on the novelty angle.
15:59 The20YearIRCloud yeah
15:59 mircea_popescu a settled russian population either has its own and won't use yours or does without and won't use yours.
15:59 The20YearIRCloud Granted what I want here/columbus is a nice steakhouse that gets their meat locally, rather than from China or 500mi aways
15:59 Dimsler my russians been getting worse and worse
15:59 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler started out mostly russians, then I did my seo/marketing magic and now it's 60% canadians 40% russians
15:59 The20YearIRCloud nice
15:59 Dimsler they taught us russian in school
16:00 JuliaTourianski_ which = good cuz russians are cheap and difficult :P
16:00 Dimsler lol
16:00 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ only the boys.
16:00 mircea_popescu the girls are cheap and easy.
16:00 The20YearIRCloud Now you can sell the canadians overpriced russian food
16:00 Dimsler the girls rock
16:00 Dimsler probably some of the most realistic attitudes
16:00 JuliaTourianski_ you would know
16:00 mircea_popescu Dimsler plus can drink.
16:01 Dimsler lol well i'm polish
16:01 Dimsler so the polish girls can drink too
16:01 JuliaTourianski_ +The20YearIRCloud our food is very underpriced actually
16:01 Dimsler but too westernized and complacant
16:01 mircea_popescu ;;import polish_jokes.h
16:01 gribble Error: "import" is not a valid command.
16:01 The20YearIRCloud Then you should overprice it for locals :D
16:01 mircea_popescu it should be, gribble.
16:01 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, will defeintly check this place out
16:01 Dimsler i've heard about it
16:02 The20YearIRCloud maybe you can get a glorious discount if paid in bitcoins/litecoins
16:02 Dimsler lol do you accept btc?
16:02 JuliaTourianski_ +The20YearIRCloud my dad refuses. he used to charge only 9 bucks for hand made sausages + sides that no one could finish cuz the portion was so large
16:02 The20YearIRCloud Does he run it and you help manage?
16:02 Dimsler holy cow
16:02 Dimsler the food menu looks delicious
16:02 The20YearIRCloud Yeah, it does look good, russian is good stuff
16:03 The20YearIRCloud only had it twice though :(
16:03 JuliaTourianski_ yes we are accepting BTC this season :)
16:03 mircea_popescu almost as good as romanian :D
16:03 The20YearIRCloud I wouldn't know romanian if my life depended on it
16:03 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler ty all home made, original recipes, feature in savour mag :)
16:04 Dimsler next time i'm in missy i'm goign to check this out
16:04 JuliaTourianski_ +The20YearIRCloud my parents run it, I manage it and do all the marketing/sm/website I make the cake and do the drinks, manage the beer etc.
16:04 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud they're total sluts. polenta ? romanian traditional dish, according to romanians. sarmali ? check. baklava ? check. blinyi ? check. etc.
16:04 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler please do
16:04 The20YearIRCloud i thought baklava was greek
16:05 Dimsler neg
16:05 mircea_popescu quite.
16:05 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler ill beat you with a venik
16:05 mircea_popescu romanians just steal all the foods.
16:05 Dimsler i thought it was turkish?
16:05 bounce "manage the beer". sounds like a heady job, eh.
16:05 mircea_popescu yeah i gotta refine my rating here.
16:05 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu they generally steal
16:06 JuliaTourianski_ +bounce guilty
16:06 mircea_popescu ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 Manages the beer for a family owned Russian bathouse with handmage sausages in Mississauga.
16:06 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user JuliaTourianski_ has changed from 1 to 1.
16:06 Dimsler well everyone stole pączki from us
16:06 The20YearIRCloud they're really catching on Dimsler
16:07 mircea_popescu paczki are romanian.
16:07 mircea_popescu ;;google pogacele reteta
16:07 Dimsler lies
16:07 gribble Pogacele cu jumari ~ bucatar maniac: <http://www.bucatarmaniac.ro/2010/01/pogacele-cu-jumari.html>; BUCATE ROMÂNEŞTI on Pinterest: <http://www.pinterest.com/marianaungurean/bucate-rom%C3%A2ne%C5%9Fti/>; Placinte on Pinterest | 159 Pins: <http://www.pinterest.com/radomia/placinte/>
16:07 mircea_popescu BUCATE ROMANESTI bitch
16:07 mircea_popescu that means like supertraditional we invented it foodstuffs.
16:08 Dimsler yes i know
16:08 mircea_popescu (tbh, these were stolen in the 1600s)
16:08 Dimsler i have lots of romanian friends
16:08 The20YearIRCloud the nice thing about the US is the variety of ethnic foods we get
16:08 The20YearIRCloud Most europeans haven't had the chance ever to try Mexican
16:08 The20YearIRCloud Well, texicanized mexican
16:08 mircea_popescu plenty of mexican restaurants in yurp
16:09 Dimsler The20YearIRCloud, for once, i'd like to sit down and have a real steak or chicago style pizza anywhere in europe
16:09 The20YearIRCloud I looked at how many were in the UK and it was pretty low
16:09 The20YearIRCloud you're not missing out on the c hicago pizzas :(
16:09 Dimsler i would do the btc vegas conference just to eat at carnevino
16:09 mircea_popescu see los mexikas in vienna if there.
16:09 The20YearIRCloud Ever try a brazilian steakhouse?
16:09 Dimsler yesss
16:10 The20YearIRCloud we've got at least 2 in columbus now
16:10 The20YearIRCloud One does brunch for $21.95 and it's amazing
16:10 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
16:10 The20YearIRCloud http://www.rodiziogrill.com/
16:10 assbot Rodizio Grill - The Brazilian Steakhouse
16:10 mthreat i once saw a "Texan" restaurant in belgium. The menu looked nothing like any food I'd ever seen in Texas.
16:11 The20YearIRCloud what'd they serve?
16:11 The20YearIRCloud I imagine it's like the 'australian' places we have here
16:11 mircea_popescu what is even "texan" food ?
16:11 Dimsler fried pigs feet
16:12 The20YearIRCloud part of it is texmex, the other is beef-oriented American with most of it trending towards BBQ
16:12 mthreat mircea_popescu: good question, there are several kinds of popular food... tex-mex, bbq, mexican, etc
16:12 mircea_popescu kinda what i figured.
16:13 mircea_popescu i spent some time in mexico, loved the food, but didn't impress me as being specific in any wya.
16:13 mthreat but in general, it seems like ethnic food gets worse the further away it gets from the origin. I;m sure there are exceptions,
16:13 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu what happened to ur twatter account
16:13 mircea_popescu shit. texas i mean.
16:13 mircea_popescu i also spent time in mexico, and yes, that's a thing.
16:13 JuliaTourianski_ tiramisu is shit in italy.
16:13 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ i killed some derp and they got pissy.
16:14 Dimsler lol
16:14 Dimsler twatter
16:15 Dimsler good riddance
16:15 Dimsler not sure why you bothered with that form of clownery
16:16 X-Rob I've been watching 'Miranda' over the weekend. It's amazingly hilarious. English show, has three seasons of 6 episodes each.
16:16 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
16:16 mircea_popescu Dimsler because like five or so years ago some chicks i was hanging with all made one and kept pestering me.
16:16 X-Rob Highly Recommended.
16:16 Dimsler see
16:16 jurov i once tried taco bell in.. canada. not a fond memory.
16:16 Dimsler got peer pressured
16:16 The20YearIRCloud taco bell is novelty food
16:16 mircea_popescu then they broke the interface, i took a break, forgot about it, then rediscovered it after a coupla years and reused it for i dunno, a few months
16:17 The20YearIRCloud do you have any chipotles in romania?
16:17 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud nope
16:17 mircea_popescu romanians are very particular about no bleeding assholes.
16:19 bounce http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475
16:19 assbot BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy'
16:19 mthreat http://damelamochila.tk/
16:19 assbot DAME LA MOCHILA
16:19 Duffer1 ya saw that bounce
16:19 mircea_popescu is it memeizing ?
16:20 Duffer1 50b divestment
16:20 mircea_popescu it really should be damelamochisha.amigo
16:20 Duffer1 i'd be curious to see how small a fraction of their total holdings that is
16:20 bounce do some research
16:20 The20YearIRCloud bounce: that's their philanthropic(sp) group
16:21 Duffer1 i'm not that curious :P
16:21 The20YearIRCloud It's not a huge number from what i read the other day, like $50m
16:21 Duffer1 b not m
16:22 The20YearIRCloud No , that was their energy holdings or estimated investment in renewables
16:22 mircea_popescu "The philanthropic organisation was founded in 1940 by the sons of John D Rockefeller. As of 31 July 2014, the fund's investment assets were worth $860 million."
16:22 mircea_popescu so, no 50bn
16:22 The20YearIRCloud From what i had read, only a specific branch of their total investment fund was going to go to clean energy, and it was a low number
16:22 mircea_popescu i have nfi if the people involved can rightly represent the impact of some millions in what's being discussed.
16:23 The20YearIRCloud The actual fund they have (The $50b) fund has made no commitmenets to any sort of renewable energy investments
16:23 mircea_popescu china does 1 trn worth of coal plants a year.
16:23 bounce who's going to buy those $50e9 of fossil fuel assets? also, tin foil hat time: apparently they think it's time to get out, so peak oil
16:23 The20YearIRCloud like peak copper in the 70s
16:24 mircea_popescu bounce everyone, basically.
16:24 Duffer1 the article i read sounded like they plegded a 50b divestment
16:24 Duffer1 pledged even
16:24 The20YearIRCloud they were wrong
16:24 bounce guys, add an n to the b if you have to go there.
16:24 mircea_popescu yeah well.
16:25 The20YearIRCloud Every time i dive into renewable energy numbers I always find a pile of lies
16:25 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
16:25 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.13, Best ask: 402.97, Bid-ask spread: 0.84000, Last trade: 402.13, 24 hour volume: 12796.14663601, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 409.38, 24 hour vwap: 400.367047136
16:25 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud funny how that works the same for me!
16:25 mircea_popescu i wonder why this would be.
16:25 The20YearIRCloud Almost like it's run by marketing firms
16:26 Duffer1 i see it's not them alone
16:26 Duffer1 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475
16:26 assbot BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy'
16:26 mircea_popescu marketing firms that know nobody's going to jail for al gore's carbon credits mob deal.
16:26 The20YearIRCloud And that it's a easy pill to sell to idiot individuals
16:26 bounce it's going to need a lot of money to beef up the "renewable" tech tho
16:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+]
16:27 mircea_popescu bounce and not a bad way to spend some money, at that.
16:27 The20YearIRCloud What's $50b out of total worldwide investments of 50 trillion?
16:27 mircea_popescu 0.1%
16:27 The20YearIRCloud All smoke and mirrors to try and make renewables work better
16:27 The20YearIRCloud I'm not completely opposed to renewables, but the renewables that actually work aren't the ones that anyone talks about
16:27 mircea_popescu srsly, energy research is not a bad idea nor a bad goal.
16:28 The20YearIRCloud Anyone that talks about photovoltaics and windmills as a answer to anything should be immediately ignored
16:28 mircea_popescu it could do without all the idiotic derpage it's currently wrapped in of course.
16:28 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud cells might eventually work.
16:28 mats_cd03 solar works plenty, and it gets lots of talk.
16:28 Duffer1 political packaging :/
16:28 bounce time to set up a research institute and write some billionaires for research funding, then buy up all the patents and the research groups and make them work together
16:28 The20YearIRCloud And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands
16:28 mircea_popescu and windmills work excellently in some very narrow cases. much like hydro.
16:29 mats_cd03 lifetime eroi is higher than nuclear iirc (~5x?)
16:29 The20YearIRCloud Hydro is leaps and bounds better than solar or wind, yet many environmentalists hate it
16:29 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud hydro only works where you have a river ; wind only works where you have ... the equivalent phenomenon, in the air fluid.
16:29 The20YearIRCloud depends on how you calculate nuclear
16:29 mats_cd03 hydro talk is stupid, thats why
16:29 mircea_popescu but where that is satisfied, they work.
16:29 JuliaTourianski_ solar is halving in price quite quickly and getting more and more powerful exponentially...wind is iffy. take a lot to maintain. costly. ugly. kills the eagles :P
16:29 mats_cd03 everything that can be dammed already has been, for the most part.
16:30 bounce so what's the exponent? :-p
16:30 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 that doesn't make it not work.
16:30 The20YearIRCloud And places like hoover dam work extraordinarily well
16:30 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ it's not really that exponential. and the price is a minute consideration, the cost is the main point.
16:30 mats_cd03 didn't dispute it works. just not interesting.
16:30 bounce dams apparently aren't worth the costs long run, in terms of environmental impact and failure to deliver on the improvement of life for the locals promise
16:30 mircea_popescu well sure, not interesting, that depends on your interests :p
16:30 The20YearIRCloud "interesting" shouldn't be a point of conversation about anything energy related
16:31 mircea_popescu bounce neither of these are criteria.
16:31 mats_cd03 its okay, .cn will solve this in three decades
16:31 bounce oh yes they are.
16:31 mircea_popescu the criteria are, energy used to erect, energy delivered after erection.
16:31 The20YearIRCloud Yes, they will start using people as fuel
16:31 mircea_popescu the locals can get fucked, with their hopes aspirations and expectations of "promises"
16:31 mircea_popescu nobody's promising jack.
16:31 JuliaTourianski_ once the energy issue is solved (housing, water filtration, food, medicine is all basically there) then maybe fuller will be proven right...and without reliance on gov infrastructure we can escape political systems altogether
16:31 mats_cd03 via selling commercial portable fission reactor designs to the rest of the world at a nice markup
16:31 The20YearIRCloud Well, higher prices
16:31 The20YearIRCloud Our local power co-op is seriously looking at small nukes
16:32 mats_cd03 thats nice. 'looking'.
16:32 JuliaTourianski_ I just did a cool interview with viney gupta on the subject, editing now actually. first time ive been hopeful in a while
16:32 The20YearIRCloud Their lifetime cost even with installation and maintainence costs is under 4c per KWH
16:32 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud unless they blow up.
16:32 The20YearIRCloud and it reduces total grid costs which can be another 1-2c per KWH that has to be accounted for
16:33 The20YearIRCloud These are the ones that use the thorium fluid, they're between a traditional reactor and a RTG
16:33 Duffer1 JuliaTourianski_ on solar or renewables in general?
16:33 mircea_popescu a those things
16:33 The20YearIRCloud The big thing is you don't have to install high power lines, buy easements, hire helicopter crews to fly over lines for obstructions and so on
16:33 The20YearIRCloud So the grid costs go down severely
16:34 JuliaTourianski_ +Duffer1 on the entire picture of our future, and how engineering/tech will impact us politically
16:35 JuliaTourianski_ first part is about crypto specifically, vid next week will be about what we're discussing here http://youtu.be/KybZAEm0stY
16:35 assbot Engineers vs.Thugs: the Power of Bitcoin, Cryptography &Tech - YouTube
16:36 mircea_popescu "the entire picture of our future" ?
16:36 JuliaTourianski_ the guy is pretty cool. created open source housing
16:36 JuliaTourianski_ hexyert
16:37 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu no, in relation to how tech will shape it, especially in the "3rd world"
16:37 mircea_popescu "Hello! If you're going to Burning Man, have a great burn, and welcome to our Financial Times readers too." ?
16:37 JuliaTourianski_ ye burner love the hexyert
16:37 JuliaTourianski_ hexayurt*
16:38 mircea_popescu ok so basically this is a cheap temporary shelter solution ?
16:40 JuliaTourianski_ very cheap. every person in the world can have one without enviro impact. +mircea_popescu
16:40 mats_cd03 heh
16:40 mircea_popescu what's very cheap ? 7 dollars/lb ?
16:40 JuliaTourianski_ but it can be made out of things other than plywood for permanent housing
16:41 JuliaTourianski_ For hexayurts fabricated from four-by-eight foot sheets of foam or hexacomb cardboard and duct tape, the cost has been estimated at $1,000 each (compared to $30,000 for a FEMA trailer). Hexayurts fabricated from OSB and wooden blocks can cost as little as $250–300.
16:41 JuliaTourianski_ open source is key
16:42 The20YearIRCloud Skilled builders is key
16:42 bounce how's that? what's the fema paying in "intellectual property" licensing for its trailers then?
16:42 The20YearIRCloud Shelters are easy to build, problem is lack of education/understanding, look at how many die in Africa due to cholera
16:43 mircea_popescu yeah the builders matter.
16:44 JuliaTourianski_ anyone can build these things
16:44 The20YearIRCloud One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery
16:44 JuliaTourianski_ and thers water filters for 100 bucks that can filter virus and bacteria now
16:45 The20YearIRCloud Sure they can, if they know how to do it, but it's always amazing how many people out there don't understand a dang thing
16:45 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
16:45 The20YearIRCloud You can make a water filter for nothing that filters 99.99% of all contaminants
16:45 JuliaTourianski_ world will be saved via compost toilets :P
16:45 The20YearIRCloud Compost toilets are fine, any kind of containment system for sewage is just fine, but half the world doesn't realize that keeping your septic and your water in the same place is a bad thing
16:46 bounce well, nasa has a fix for that
16:46 The20YearIRCloud I have a fix for that too - simple education
16:46 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ you built one ?
16:46 bounce piffle. HIGH TECHNOLOGY is the way, I'm telling you
16:46 ben_vulpes hexayurts are incredibly poorly engineered.
16:47 kakobrekla 'ghash' sound linda like 'jihad'?
16:47 bounce like, in-orbit high. anything less just won't do.
16:47 The20YearIRCloud I'm teaching a class on basic mechanics/machines, and it's amazing how many people out there don't understand how anything works
16:47 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
16:47 ben_vulpes http://rigsomelight.com/2013/09/09/frameless-geodesic-dome.html
16:47 assbot Frameless Geodesic Dome
16:47 JuliaTourianski_ +ben_vulpes what makes u say that
16:47 ben_vulpes (linked previously)
16:47 kakobrekla *kinda
16:47 ben_vulpes having been in them.
16:47 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu dont need one, but I'm sure i could. im very handy. wish i was more techy isntead but hey.
16:47 JuliaTourianski_ instead*
16:47 ben_vulpes i mean - did we learn nothing from Buckminster Fuller?
16:48 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ well yes but these aren't statements of the same strength. the problem being that the difference between theory and practice is narrower in theory than it is in practice.
16:48 mircea_popescu this readily recurses into divergence.
16:48 assbot Dimsler +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
16:48 mircea_popescu !up Dimsler
16:48 JuliaTourianski_ +ben_vulpes the point is to easily build it. domes are much harder
16:48 Dimsler wait
16:49 Dimsler whats assbots problem
16:49 The20YearIRCloud ben_vulpes: where are you getting the corugated plastic from?
16:49 mircea_popescu ;;ident Dimsler
16:49 gribble Nick 'Dimsler', with hostmask 'Dimsler!~dimsler@17.254.127.199.client.static.strong-in67.as13926.net', is identified as user 'Dimsler', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1NQqDhT9kvXD8vtUyPZmhr935EzyW2ybjU
16:49 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot Dimsler
16:49 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Dimsler!~dimsler@17.254.127.199.client.static.strong-in67.as13926.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Dimsler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Dimsler | Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013
16:49 JuliaTourianski_ +ben_vulpes vinay loves fuller
16:49 mircea_popescu Dimsler you need wot rating.
16:49 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud ebay!
16:50 mircea_popescu ;;rate Dimsler 1 New blood
16:50 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Dimsler has been recorded.
16:50 mircea_popescu there, try now.
16:50 Dimsler excellent
16:50 Dimsler finally
16:51 ben_vulpes JuliaTourianski_: you've not bothered to read the link, i gather.
16:51 mircea_popescu so how do the plates stick together anyway ?
16:51 mircea_popescu bolted or what
16:51 ben_vulpes bolted, yeah.
16:51 mircea_popescu and if windy ?
16:51 ben_vulpes load condition?
16:52 mircea_popescu i dunno, 10kpa
16:52 Dimsler are people going to be living in this shit?
16:52 ben_vulpes The20YearIRCloud: you can use plywood.
16:52 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i mean separation of panels? lifting of the thing?
16:52 Dimsler you have better chance of convince people into living in shipping containers
16:52 The20YearIRCloud I'm just trying to find information on the plasdtic
16:52 The20YearIRCloud *plastic
16:52 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that thing ain't lifting off.
16:52 mircea_popescu it's falling apart.
16:52 Dimsler aggregates and building materials to build proper shelter is cheap
16:52 The20YearIRCloud Because that dome would essentially be shelter, absolutely no protection from heat or cold
16:52 Dimsler its the man power that is unaffordable
16:52 Dimsler refer to the restoration of Rome
16:53 ben_vulpes The20YearIRCloud: so double-shell it.
16:53 RagnarDanneskjol !up RagnarsBitch
16:53 ben_vulpes jesus it's like engineering never happened around here.
16:53 The20YearIRCloud Let me find the exact R value
16:53 The20YearIRCloud Just checked, and the R value of double-shelling would be 4
16:53 ben_vulpes plus straw?
16:53 mircea_popescu 4 is better than 0.
16:53 ben_vulpes also source?
16:53 Dimsler lol nobody is going to live in that.
16:53 The20YearIRCloud https://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/prod1;ft_corrugated_sheets_panels;pg102948.html
16:53 assbot 4mm Twin-Wall Corrugated Plastic 8' Wide - FarmTek
16:53 mircea_popescu Dimsler people with no other option.
16:54 The20YearIRCloud The minimum R value for wall insullation (not ceiling mind you) in the US is now in the area of 25-30
16:54 ben_vulpes The20YearIRCloud: double-shell implies an air insulation layer
16:54 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud yes but this is for africa neh ?
16:54 Dimsler in africa theres plenty of access to clay
16:54 ben_vulpes this has heat xfer implications that you've not considered.
16:54 Dimsler and clay structures
16:54 The20YearIRCloud R value of the air insullation isn't going to be that great, maybe 10
16:54 mircea_popescu Dimsler clay is slow to work tho
16:54 The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: and if you had few/no temperature swings it'd be fine
16:54 Dimsler i don't see them smelt plastic and mould injecting domes
16:54 ben_vulpes oh yeah shit
16:54 The20YearIRCloud Clay works fine, heck even straw will be better, one US sized bale of straw has a R value of 9-10
16:54 ben_vulpes i really need a pressed shitboard housebox
16:55 ben_vulpes made by a giant corporation in the business of fabbing horrible shitboard boxes
16:55 Dimsler The20YearIRCloud, exactly
16:55 The20YearIRCloud Those houseboxes are about the same in terms of performance
16:55 ben_vulpes for a retarded markup
16:55 Dimsler wait
16:55 Dimsler if we are all in agreement
16:55 The20YearIRCloud How many of you here live in brick houses?
16:55 mircea_popescu from what i gathered here the pro argument was that these take less man-hours to put up than an actual construction.
16:55 Dimsler then who the hell is talking about these idiotic eco homes?
16:55 The20YearIRCloud Brick is how many centuries old?
16:55 The20YearIRCloud How old is cement?
16:55 Dimsler The20YearIRCloud, exactly
16:55 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud cement is actually older than they think.
16:56 mircea_popescu the romans used it.
16:56 The20YearIRCloud It's not cutting edge stuff by any standard whatsoever. So why bother with air layers, straw, high strength plastics?
16:56 Dimsler oh thats Julia girl was talking about it
16:56 Dimsler man thats ridicluous
16:56 Dimsler nobody is going to live in that
16:56 The20YearIRCloud You can teach a bunch of low/no education people how to make bricks in a week or two, and in a month show them how to make a house that will last 50-100 years
16:56 mircea_popescu Dimsler 1k kids for two days of booze and sexting at burning man ?
16:56 Dimsler LOL
16:57 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud problem is it takes them about a month to build it.
16:57 Dimsler they can buy regular tents?
16:57 The20YearIRCloud How long does it take to mail plastic sheeting to Africa?
16:57 Dimsler if south africa has taught us anything during the aparthide
16:57 Dimsler is the white man should just leave the blacks alone
16:57 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud yeah well.
16:57 ben_vulpes or a thing that i can knock together in the middle of nowhere for next to nothing
16:57 The20YearIRCloud And it's not like people in the middle of Africa don't have enough time to build something that's gonna work well
16:57 ben_vulpes see the paupery story for details on other "engineering" criteria missing from the conversation.
16:58 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes link ?
16:58 The20YearIRCloud You want to look at affordable, extremely useful housing, look to what the Scots & irish did with their housing in the 1600s from Sod
16:58 ben_vulpes !s pauper
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16:59 The20YearIRCloud Some of those houses would last forever and needed almost no heat during freezing cold winters
16:59 JuliaTourianski_ the hexayurt is a solution for emergency housing, refugee camps, and poverty housing. they do protect against extreme temperature changes, hence their use at burning man
16:59 The20YearIRCloud heck, body heat would keep em warm
16:59 The20YearIRCloud And tents are bad?
16:59 mircea_popescu "After six decades and the expenditure of the equivalent of tens of billions of dollars, the promise of breeder reactors remains largely unfulfilled and efforts to commercialize them have been steadily cut back in most countries"
16:59 JuliaTourianski_ tents r shit
16:59 mircea_popescu IPFS doesn't like torium
17:00 ben_vulpes tents a shit
17:00 ben_vulpes indeed
17:00 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, for who?
17:00 ben_vulpes i for one think the burning man use case is hilarious
17:00 The20YearIRCloud hipsters at burning man?
17:00 HeySteve +The20YearIRCloud> One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery <- cool, here's something else you might be interested in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM0d2EsVehQ
17:00 assbot The BioCycle by AgriProtein and Bear Valley Ventures - YouTube
17:00 JuliaTourianski_ ?
17:00 ben_vulpes "hi i'm subjecting myself to burning man but i want a temperature regulated environment but i can't afford an rv RENTAL"
17:00 Dimsler lol who cares about hipsters at burning man
17:01 mircea_popescu it is pretty funny
17:01 The20YearIRCloud HeySteve: that's quite cool
17:01 HeySteve yeah gonna start using them for fish feed
17:01 The20YearIRCloud We've got a methane reactor on a farm here, doesn't use flies but produces a few KW of continuous power from a milk production
17:01 ben_vulpes one use case that made some modicum of sense was this one dood's fuckpalace, but i was always amused that he couldn't just get down in public at the burn
17:01 ben_vulpes i mean w.t.f.
17:01 Dimsler a cattle sized meat grinder
17:01 Dimsler should be wheeled into burning man
17:03 jurov from what i read about burning man, one needs two tents, the bigger one where you can clean off the salt
17:03 jurov and inside it a small one
17:03 The20YearIRCloud Ok, so the flies do a similar thing to composting?
17:03 jurov domes/yurts are usable as the bigger one
17:03 mircea_popescu Dimsler why the hate ? kids gotta gather somewhere.
17:04 mircea_popescu now they can't rape each other on the uni campus, where is the handling supposed to occur ?
17:04 ben_vulpes jurov: if you're cleaning off the dust, you're doing it wrong
17:04 ben_vulpes wet wipes for the crotch is about all one needs.
17:04 jurov you were yourself?
17:04 ben_vulpes i was what?
17:04 jurov ion burning man
17:04 Dimsler mircea_popescu, well no see, kids are about 16yrs old approx?
17:04 Dimsler if you're 25 acting like a kid
17:04 ben_vulpes a few times yeah jurov
17:04 Dimsler its a little different
17:04 jurov they wrote "if left on the skin that dust causes burns" - you say BS?
17:05 ben_vulpes "get a house, settle down, give up on fun, otherwise you're a retarded child." << Dimsler
17:05 The20YearIRCloud HeySteve: do you have more info on this fly thing?
17:05 mircea_popescu Dimsler nah, in civilised society as old as 26.
17:05 ben_vulpes jurov: you're missing a duration qualifier there
17:05 ben_vulpes i also suspect that skin oils make a nice little bottom layer
17:06 The20YearIRCloud The big thing about fish feed is that there are a few types that have very, very, very low protein inputs and thrive on waste anyway
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17:10 mircea_popescu http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=272 << this bash thing
17:10 assbot #bitcoin-assets bash
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17:17 HeySteve The20YearIRCloud yeah they're building a big facility in fluffypony's neck of the woods to supply animal feed to farmers here
17:17 The20YearIRCloud I'd love to try it here, granted finding the waste input could be difficult outside of animal manure from farms
17:17 The20YearIRCloud How are the larva harvested?
17:17 HeySteve this is a good guide: http://www.ie.unc.edu/for_students/courses/capstone/13/bsfl_how-to_guide.pdf
17:17 The20YearIRCloud Great
17:17 HeySteve the larvae harvest themselves by crawling up ramps and away from all the mess
17:20 mircea_popescu like silkworms huh
17:20 HeySteve I'm not sure, never kept silkworms
17:23 The20YearIRCloud HeySteve: and into harvesting stations?
17:24 HeySteve yeah or straight into animal feed troughs even
17:25 The20YearIRCloud Alright, and they're eaten live by the animals?
17:28 HeySteve yeah I know chickens will eat them live and the protein content is high. will try it with fish but maybe they need to be processed for smaller fish
17:28 jurov chicken don't have any prejudice against live worms
17:29 jurov rather the opposite
17:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0075 = 2.25 BTC [+]
17:37 The20YearIRCloud two nice-ish buys today, joy
17:38 The20YearIRCloud chicken love insects, i know quite a few people that feed almost exclusively scratch (no food)
17:38 The20YearIRCloud granted that doesn't work in winter
17:42 assbot moldysnizz +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
17:42 HeySteve you can put the chickens in a cage above the grubs to manage their waste
17:45 kakobrekla !up moldysnizz
17:46 moldysnizz Thanks, kakobrekla!
17:47 kakobrekla yw
17:47 kakobrekla !s moldysnizz
17:47 assbot 16 results for 'moldysnizz' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=moldysnizz
17:48 kakobrekla not much of a talker
17:48 kakobrekla not that there anything wrong with that
17:49 moldysnizz heh, not so much. chatquack may have logged some drunkeness. I don't have access to his credintals right now. Desktop is in storage.
17:49 moldysnizz moldy is my fallback.
17:52 The20YearIRCloud HeySteve: that setup looks quite great
17:57 The20YearIRCloud Especially as a dried foodstock, i'm shocked though they estimate value at only $1/lb
17:57 The20YearIRCloud would help with doing batches
17:57 Dimsler ground beef is 40cents /lb
17:57 Dimsler and thats a 70/30 mix
17:58 The20YearIRCloud where?
17:59 The20YearIRCloud HeySteve: seems they're 20% efficient at converting waste to protein/feedstock it seems
18:05 jurov you should prolly should IPO it on havelock
18:05 jurov MAGGOTMINER
18:06 The20YearIRCloud yeah
18:07 The20YearIRCloud The concern I have is would be getting the waste
18:07 The20YearIRCloud They need 80kg+ to make ~17kg of feed per week. That's a great deal of waste.
18:07 jurov can prolly be crowdsourced
18:09 Dimsler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEvomyYkIPY
18:09 assbot Thief - Opening Scene - YouTube
18:09 HeySteve heh maggotminer
18:09 The20YearIRCloud 335m tons of manure is produced a year in the US, which would result in 67m tons of BSFL feedstock
18:10 The20YearIRCloud Assuming 100% of all animal waste is used as a food source for them.
18:10 HeySteve better than sending it to landfill I'd say!
18:10 The20YearIRCloud Sure
18:11 HeySteve a lot of animal feed is fish-based afaik
18:11 The20YearIRCloud Then of that 67m tons of feedstock, animals (Depending on breed) are 15%-20% efficient at taking the BSFL feedstock and converting it to actual on-animal weight
18:11 HeySteve fishmeal has risen a lot this year: http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=fish-meal
18:11 assbot Fishmeal - Monthly Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi
18:12 The20YearIRCloud So, an extra 13.4m tons of meat per year from recycling the waste through BSFLs.
18:12 HeySteve nice
18:12 The20YearIRCloud Wouldn't be a terrible thing if more places converted, but the problem starts to become that if you free-range animals (Cows and pigs, which are the largest waste producers by far), you can't effectively go out and get that waste
18:13 The20YearIRCloud it has to be from indoor breeding/feeding areas
18:13 HeySteve right. you're better off with collecting organic waste from other sources in that case
18:13 HeySteve I've got a restaurant and greengrocer onboard for eg.
18:14 The20YearIRCloud and how many pounds of meat will they produce a month from the BSFL?
18:14 HeySteve and as in that video, sewage will seem to work too
18:14 The20YearIRCloud At 100% of the animal waste produced converted to food, it'll take care of 5% of the total US meat demand
18:15 cazalla JuliaTourianski_ puppet comment leave you a little rustled?
18:16 HeySteve well I know with fish, there's a method which achieves nearly 1:1 feed to weight conversion
18:16 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla was that your intention
18:16 jurov btw, i loved that quip about coffee grounds
18:16 HeySteve so using BSFL and tilapia, that could be done
18:16 HeySteve (in theory)
18:17 The20YearIRCloud I'm a real big fan of tilapia
18:17 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla well?
18:17 The20YearIRCloud because from what I hear you can take raw farm waste (essentially corn silage) and feed it to them
18:18 The20YearIRCloud that'd be quite interesting
18:18 HeySteve hmm well, they will eat many things but to get good growth they want high protein feed
18:18 The20YearIRCloud The thing with tilapia is that they eat like crazy on just about anything
18:19 The20YearIRCloud the big holdback on tilapia is oxygen concentration. They breed like crazy to the point that they'll kill themselves
18:19 HeySteve right but they only breed above about 28^ centigrade
18:19 cazalla JuliaTourianski_ i was drinking last night but still, that's my impression
18:19 HeySteve and at high concentration, they will prioritise feeding over breeding
18:20 HeySteve but yeah, the more dissolved oxygen you can get the water to carry, the more densely you can stock them
18:21 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla what is it based on? intuition...
18:21 The20YearIRCloud Yeah, and that's what i see as the primary problem
18:21 The20YearIRCloud although here some guys are going to pure oxygen injection in the water
18:21 HeySteve well I am going to test out an impeller system
18:21 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla i am curious to your line of thought
18:21 The20YearIRCloud That's the more cost effective way to do it i think. I was looking at a 24/7 air compressor
18:22 cazalla JuliaTourianski_, just a whisper, i hear it in my ghost but seriously, you never answered http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2014#839995
18:22 assbot Logged on 22-09-2014 18:18:35; mircea_popescu: julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?
18:22 Dimsler cazalla, Julia is a novice bitcoiner
18:22 Dimsler she doesn't understand
18:22 HeySteve yeah a motor to run an impeller with a tube to draw oxygen down to the blades, I believe it will work well
18:23 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it.
18:23 Dimsler no
18:23 Dimsler lol
18:23 HeySteve the turbulence *should* stop it becoming a giant fish blender... might put on some kinda mesh just in case
18:23 Dimsler you're just associated with the mainstream clownery
18:23 JuliaTourianski_ if i'm associated with everyone, then who is pulling my strings?
18:23 JuliaTourianski_ amir? mainstream?
18:24 Dimsler yes ofcourse
18:24 Dimsler amir taaki and the etherium clowns
18:24 JuliaTourianski_ you just dismissed a huge chunk of the btc space based on nothing.
18:24 cazalla JuliaTourianski_ given i've seen a lot of you and paul joseph watson (alex jones puppet), perhaps that is the direction i should start
18:25 Dimsler yeah i know
18:25 Dimsler even went to the bilderberg group
18:25 Dimsler alex jones that clown
18:25 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla ive been on infowars, keiser, bbc, fox news - so who is it pulling my strings?
18:25 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, amir was cool when he wasn't a pure drughead
18:25 Dimsler years ago
18:26 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler I'm friends with everyone in the declaration video..that's a lot of ppl, so whcih ones are pulling my strings? don;t cherry pick eh
18:26 cazalla JuliaTourianski_, i said earler i don't know
18:26 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla don't cherry pick info.
18:26 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla yeah you don;t know- maybe there's not much to know.
18:26 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, the question was pretty innocent
18:27 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt?
18:27 HeySteve JuliaTourianski_ did u interview the hexayurt designer in that video posted above?
18:27 Dimsler no we don't care in here that you have a vagina
18:27 JuliaTourianski_ yeah i did
18:27 cazalla JuliaTourianski_ i'd be even more suspect if you were black
18:27 JuliaTourianski_ everyone cares. lol it's naive to say you don;t
18:27 Dimsler no seriously
18:27 Dimsler you're in the wrong channel if you think that
18:28 JuliaTourianski_ it's not a sexist thing. it is what it is. it makes a difference both ways
18:28 HeySteve ok well tell him he was wrong about GHash cartel monopolising Bitcoin mining as per anarchists: https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs
18:28 assbot Bitcoin Hashrate Distribution - Blockchain.info
18:28 cazalla JuliaTourianski_ as said vagina has nothing to do with it but a pretty girl is useful to get across the message, maybe you start making videos on ethereum soon?
18:28 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, no, its because you're a public figure
18:28 HeySteve that happened briefly but it didn't last
18:29 JuliaTourianski_ i have made 0 videos for anyone, so I'm confused with this whole convo
18:29 Dimsler cazalla, no i think its the exact opposite
18:29 Dimsler seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously?
18:29 Dimsler like i think shes got her work cut out for her
18:30 JuliaTourianski_ I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works
18:30 Dimsler Trace Mayer lol
18:30 cazalla Dimsler, not really, this goes back to chat on how nigerians craft their emails
18:31 cazalla JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers
18:31 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler i have certain advantage being me, but yes, ppl don;t take me seriously. when i go to these conferences it's telling. and everyone thinks im there with my bf. I'm not complaining, becuase once they bother to speak to me I show them I'm actually into BTC and the judgement dies.
18:32 Dimsler well why does it have to be armoury for storing offline wallets
18:32 Dimsler what happend to just storing your wallet offline at home?
18:32 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla we all started out as a novice. I wrote that myself. i was inspired and excited. that's all. i wanted to bring the community together :) it was fun. u dont need to trust it
18:32 Dimsler if you were perpetrating strict anarchy, independance would be critical
18:32 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler cuz you can do watch only wallets etc.
18:32 Dimsler so yeah
18:33 Dimsler completely unnecessary
18:33 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler I've been an anarchist a while. i was writing for mises.ca for a year prior to doing btc stuff
18:33 JuliaTourianski_ I didn;t come out of "nowhere" i was a lib since HS
18:33 Dimsler mmm austrian school of economics
18:33 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler completely necessary
18:34 BingoBoingo <JuliaTourianski_> I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works << Are you familiar with Armory's poor behavior?
18:34 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler the only reason the comment gets to me, is cuz I truly believe in everything I say and it sucks to be doubted in that. but I'm still fresh so fine. i don;t expect to be granted respect. I'll work for it. but dismissing people off the bat is just as bad no?
18:35 Dimsler nobody has dismissed you?
18:35 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo they always work on their feedback no?
18:35 Dimsler no
18:35 Dimsler they don't
18:35 HeySteve is the phone home issue fixed or what?
18:35 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler saying someone is behind my content is dismissive ye
18:35 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: I mean the user phoning home stuff.
18:36 cazalla julles, i'm not dismissing you or suggesting any sort of conspiracy but it raises ones suspicion when novice makes video and is seen with scammers the likes of amir, berwick, alex jones and his puppets
18:36 BingoBoingo If they do that... What else can they do?
18:36 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo expand- last i saw was some reddit criticism they were addressing on privacy issues
18:36 mircea_popescu !up Jondo
18:36 mircea_popescu holy shit logs.
18:36 Dimsler !up BCB
18:36 BingoBoingo cazalla: Maybe she fell in with a rough crowd.
18:36 Dimsler lol
18:36 danielpbarron JuliaTourianski_, you're really digging -assets, huh?
18:36 BCB Dimsler: thx
18:37 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_ is going to get eaten alive
18:37 BingoBoingo !s Armory phone home
18:37 assbot 3 results for 'Armory phone home' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Armory+phone+home
18:37 BCB JuliaTourianski_: what is your first language
18:37 Dimsler shes russian
18:37 Dimsler i can't tell if born or not
18:37 mircea_popescu how did you come to that conclusion ?
18:37 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla amir is a ot a scammer. alex...I'm deciding on alex. ive spoken to him personally since, and I dont like the direction he's going lately. berwick is berwick. how about the rest of the ppl in there? all scammers?
18:37 Dimsler cause shes got an accent
18:38 BCB French Canadian?
18:38 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, yes
18:38 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#795113
18:38 assbot Logged on 13-08-2014 23:30:06; mike_c: armory phones home with a hash of your home directory
18:39 mircea_popescu Dimsler accents make girls be eaten out ?
18:39 Dimsler oh noo
18:39 danielpbarron lol, "berwick is berwick." the polite way to say someone is a weirdo
18:39 JuliaTourianski_ +BingoBoingo im sorry hun, i dunno what that means. all i know I've been using armory. and it's rated to be the most secure by vitalik and I trust robots :D
18:39 BCB She sounds like Celine dion
18:39 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, vitalik is a complete moron
18:39 danielpbarron you trust vitalik??
18:39 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: I dun really trust Vitalik
18:39 Dimsler wahahahha
18:39 Dimsler vitalik
18:39 JuliaTourianski_ +BCB fuck off. that's the worst thing anyone has said to me yet :P
18:39 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, i knew vitalik when he was in waterloo
18:40 Dimsler buying bitcoins off me
18:40 Dimsler ages ago
18:40 Dimsler complete fucking boob
18:40 BCB JuliaTourianski_: be nice. just tell us your first language.
18:40 Dimsler with his idiotic ponzi etherium scheme
18:40 JuliaTourianski_ I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good
18:40 Dimsler armory is not good
18:40 mircea_popescu lmao celine dion.
18:40 JuliaTourianski_ +BCB it's russian
18:40 Dimsler myth dispselled
18:40 BCB Dimsler: you can't deny Vitalik's intelligence
18:40 Dimsler can
18:40 Dimsler fully deny vitaliks intelligence
18:40 mircea_popescu BCB wut ?!
18:40 danielpbarron "i don't trust him but i trust him." hm, ok
18:40 BCB JuliaTourianski_: interesting...
18:41 BCB mircea_popescu: Vitalik is a smart guy
18:41 Dimsler vitalik is not a smart guy
18:41 Dimsler what are you talking about
18:41 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler trust me...i know all there is to know about the ethereum issues. i wont comment further
18:41 mircea_popescu i dun see it.
18:41 cazalla !up julles
18:41 Dimsler ethereium is a joke
18:41 mircea_popescu what makes you think vitalik is smart ?
18:41 BCB Dimsler: We can disagree
18:41 Dimsler sure
18:41 BingoBoingo <JuliaTourianski_> I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good << The way trust works is if you dun trust someone, you can't trust them to tell you icecream is good.
18:41 BCB mircea_popescu: I've read his writing. He is one of the most articulate writers on bitcoin.
18:41 Dimsler man didn't amir lose a toe or something
18:42 Dimsler in that hilarious compound these crackheads were staying at?
18:42 mircea_popescu BCB specifically.
18:42 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, whats amirs drug of choice?
18:42 danielpbarron well he's smart enough to figure out a way to get 30k BTC out of all the fools who aren't patient enough to just buy Bitcoin and hold it
18:42 JuliaTourianski_ anyways. my point is, look at the big picture. there are good people in the declaration vid. most importantly it's a message I strongly believe in. so scammers or not, the message stays the same.
18:42 Dimsler danielpbarron, vitalik is broke
18:42 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ you have much to learn.
18:42 Dimsler he sold all his bitcoins for a few t-shirts
18:42 BCB mircea_popescu: I don't buy Etherium and I have know idea of his coding skills but he is a good writer.
18:42 mircea_popescu BCB you are not saying anything specific.
18:43 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler he likes psychedelics & M
18:43 Dimsler Tolstoy is a good writer
18:43 mircea_popescu "x is smart" "why" "because i think he is" "why" "because he is"
18:43 mircea_popescu wd, but that's idiocy in action.
18:43 mircea_popescu !up julles
18:43 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu yes I do.
18:43 BCB mircea_popescu: he has a broad knowledge of the bitcoin echosphere. Have you ever meet him in person?
18:43 julles cazalla, hi, sorry I never introduced myslef. I'm julles, I like what you guy do and have no relation whatsoever with the julles you're thinking of ;)
18:43 danielpbarron what's with this +nickname thing? what client does that?
18:43 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, the people you have in that video
18:43 Dimsler mean jack shit for bitcoin
18:43 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ take the case of jeff. he's an idiot, and now a fraudster. not for any reason than misassociation.
18:44 mircea_popescu generally speaking, the most damage you can do to yourself is associating yourself with idiots and scammers
18:44 mircea_popescu a point shrem is not able to regret enough.
18:44 Dimsler yes
18:44 Dimsler well shrem straigh tup
18:44 Dimsler funded a tonne of silkroaders
18:44 Dimsler and he knew about it
18:44 Dimsler and he also laundered everyones elses cash
18:44 Dimsler bless that man
18:45 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu there are a lot of ppl in the vid. the non scammers whoever u may think they are cancel out the scammers, whoever u think they are
18:45 mircea_popescu so no, this scummy "oh the message is nice anyway" carries no water.
18:45 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu ya'll are cherry picking.
18:45 BCB Dimsler: and he'll get less then 5 years
18:45 mircea_popescu a bottle of wine does not cancel out a cupful of sewage.,
18:45 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, are you kidding?
18:45 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu one or two rotten cherries don;t kill the tree
18:45 mircea_popescu it works the other way around.
18:45 BCB for copping a plea and being an informant
18:45 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, how about shrem is a rat
18:45 JuliaTourianski_ ahah semantics now
18:45 mircea_popescu mno.
18:45 Dimsler and completely cooperated and ratted out half of the btc community
18:45 JuliaTourianski_ did u see the LINE i gave shrem
18:46 JuliaTourianski_ "we are in an age of appropriation, and nothing is immune"
18:46 mircea_popescu i did not.
18:46 mircea_popescu uh... mkay ?
18:46 JuliaTourianski_ is that lost on u lot?
18:46 mircea_popescu that dun make much sense to me
18:46 Dimsler i get the pun
18:46 Dimsler i mean whats the point?
18:46 Dimsler shrem wasn't some god
18:46 JuliaTourianski_ he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked.
18:46 Dimsler lol guy also sold out early
18:46 mircea_popescu jurov: can prolly be crowdsourced << jurov is on fucking fire lmao
18:46 Dimsler lol
18:47 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ soooo ?
18:47 JuliaTourianski_ so the line is perfect.
18:47 mircea_popescu it's not that "he worked" and "thinking" etc. he made a career out of thinking he knows better than me,
18:47 Dimsler how the fuck can you be an anarchist living in canada anyway
18:47 mircea_popescu and now he'll make a career out of prison lyf.
18:47 Dimsler the most communist socialized shit hole
18:47 JuliaTourianski_ he thought he was immune and he wasn't . lesson learned maybe. he's a good guy, ppl make mistakes
18:47 Dimsler on the entire planet
18:47 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_> he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked. << This is why you can't plea out ever.
18:48 mircea_popescu this "people make mistakes" bull is much too soft for btc.
18:48 Dimsler yeah i know
18:48 mircea_popescu generally people make one mistake.
18:48 Dimsler nobody makes mistakes in btc LOL
18:48 BCB +1
18:48 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu u guys seem to have personal man beef with a lot of these ppl. this is where being a blonde girl helps, no egos.
18:48 mircea_popescu nope.
18:48 ben_vulpes nah, i just have a lot of man beef.
18:48 mircea_popescu nothing personal whatsoever.
18:48 JuliaTourianski_ ahhaha
18:48 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, yeah honestly we don't really care
18:49 Dimsler those guys don't effect bitcoin
18:49 Dimsler or its growth
18:49 mircea_popescu it's just that the gear switch from derpyland to btcland is bound to culture shock a little.
18:49 JuliaTourianski_ so what has the jury decided? whose pulling my strings? alex jones? berwik? amir? shrem? ahah
18:49 BCB JuliaTourianski_: should should put captions with the speakers names. I don't recognize half those guys
18:49 Dimsler we are ruling that anyone that gives you attention
18:49 JuliaTourianski_ that would look gaudy
18:49 mircea_popescu BCB that's the tell tale sign of a good btc expert
18:49 JuliaTourianski_ there are credits down below
18:49 mircea_popescu never seen before.
18:49 JuliaTourianski_ in the order of speaker
18:50 Dimsler oh lawdy
18:50 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler ahah therefore everyone
18:50 BCB mircea_popescu: ha. Everybody is a fucking expert these days
18:50 Dimsler BCB, no? no wai?
18:50 JuliaTourianski_ bruce fenton and patrick byrne are pulling them. i admit it!
18:50 mircea_popescu expert is what junior used to be in the 90s
18:50 BCB Dimsler: I heard even you are an expert now.
18:50 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, maybe we should buy shit on overstock?
18:51 kakobrekla ;;google ciphershed
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18:51 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ he your bf or something ?
18:51 Dimsler you guys remember when reddit blew up, claiming overstock drove up the price of bitcoin?
18:51 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu everyone is my bf obviously
18:51 Dimsler nooo
18:51 Dimsler beta orbiters
18:51 Dimsler not boyfriends
18:52 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu who would write my content otherwise?
18:52 mircea_popescu Dimsler is a beta orbiter what i imagine it is ?
18:52 JuliaTourianski_ bahaha
18:52 Dimsler http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beta+orbiter
18:52 assbot Urban Dictionary: Beta orbiter
18:52 mircea_popescu ie, this derpy dude spinning around some chick in the hopes that one day he can ask her things and she'll propose they be friends ?
18:52 Dimsler yes
18:52 mircea_popescu check me out i can guess teenthings!
18:53 Dimsler well Julia is still here
18:53 Dimsler i guess she staying?
18:53 Dimsler can we at least get some nuds?
18:53 Dimsler nudes
18:53 mircea_popescu i'm hoping she amounts to more than that other chick, what was her name.
18:53 mircea_popescu the one that did the beg videos and then was never seen again
18:53 Dimsler long and forgetten
18:54 Duffer1 the reporter?
18:54 Duffer1 i forget..
18:54 mircea_popescu nono. brunette.
18:54 jurov saffron?
18:54 mircea_popescu a right!
18:54 mircea_popescu had that snazzy vid to gif website
18:55 cazalla she has some new bitcoin videos
18:55 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ so you see yourself mostly as a blogger/radio host/whatever that way ? pundit-like ?
18:55 mircea_popescu cazalla nething good ?
18:55 Dimsler i can't figure out what agenda shes pushing
18:55 BCB JuliaTourianski_: who chooses Jeffrey Tucker's bowties?
18:55 Dimsler the first few videos she had were good
18:55 Dimsler about actual anarchy
18:56 Dimsler then it turned into a btc obsession
18:56 mircea_popescu Dimsler who you talking about ?
18:56 Dimsler Julia
18:56 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu ew
18:56 cazalla judge for yourself http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=828999051
18:56 assbot 401 Authorization Required
18:56 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler why cant i have my own agenda?
18:56 mircea_popescu Dimsler why does she have to have an agenda ?
18:56 Dimsler interesting
18:57 Dimsler well as an outspoken individual offering themselves up as a gladiator to entertain
18:57 BingoBoingo The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands << Who says solar has to get everyone powered to work?
18:57 Dimsler there should be something to solute
18:57 mircea_popescu is Jeffrey Tucker the guy that split from mises.org some time back ?
18:57 mircea_popescu i recall there was some drama but don't recall the drama.
18:57 Dimsler hence i'm curious about what the agenda is
18:57 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler most ppl seem to be obsessed with btc. i did because it;s the onyl way anarchy can function scalabley
18:57 cazalla if there was ever a guy still in the closet..
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18:57 mircea_popescu !b 2
18:57 BCB mircea_popescu: He runs liberty.me
18:57 mircea_popescu darn you cazalla cockblocking my !b's
18:58 cazalla lol
18:58 mircea_popescu and matt drudge is more in the closet.
18:58 mircea_popescu ever seen the man's hats ?!
18:58 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, yes bitcoin would allow anarchy to function, but so can many other things through history
18:58 JuliaTourianski_ by most ppl i mean, ppl either get obsessed or not. either in the woods or outside
18:58 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler disagree
18:59 Dimsler well then you've obviously haven't read much history
18:59 mircea_popescu what's the definition of anarchy we're working on ?
18:59 Dimsler seeing as anarchism has been rampant
18:59 mircea_popescu "it's my hot body and i can do what i want" ?
18:59 Dimsler up until the mid 1800s
18:59 jurov anarchy will rule!!1
18:59 cazalla in the woods or outside, blockchain technology, the other 6 billion, enough with the fucking platitudes, you're sounding more and more like andreas JuliaTourianski_
18:59 Dimsler OH
18:59 Dimsler dont mention
18:59 Dimsler andreas in here
19:00 Dimsler please
19:00 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler tribalism maybe, this is the first time I think anarchy could work on a large scale becuase the blockchain offers a very practical set of tools for operating economy, trade, legal systems etc, in a trustless fashion. so I got obsessed ye.
19:00 Dimsler all of that
19:00 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ you still haven't said what you mean by "anarchy"
19:00 Dimsler operated on pen and paper
19:00 Dimsler lol
19:00 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler i like andreas a lot
19:00 mircea_popescu you would lol
19:00 Dimsler andreas was great
19:00 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu absence of state
19:00 Dimsler right up until he became bitcoin jesus' bitch
19:00 BCB Andreas is a bitcoin expert
19:01 Dimsler andreas is such a bitcoin expert that he doesn't have any
19:01 BCB andreas is writing the bitcoin book
19:01 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ so then his point holds. anarchy is prevalent historically.
19:01 Dimsler mircea_popescu, fuck yeah it is
19:01 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu Anselme Bellegarrigue style
19:01 Dimsler no horse shit
19:01 mircea_popescu nm teh style.
19:01 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu I don't disagree. but it was always on a smaller scale.
19:01 mircea_popescu !up dnaleor
19:01 Dimsler smaller scale
19:02 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ what's your definition of scale ?
19:02 Dimsler what the fuck are you talking about?
19:02 Dimsler during the french revolution only %7 of the people spoke french
19:02 JuliaTourianski_ allocation of resources is an issue, fuller says that's the role of gov systems really. once we scarcity is resolved we don;t need their infrastructure
19:02 Dimsler i mean german fairy tales
19:02 Dimsler before napoleon came and raped germany
19:02 mircea_popescu scarcity resolved ?
19:02 Dimsler were of the "times that were"
19:02 mircea_popescu what nonsense is this, bitcoin is scarce by definition.
19:02 punkman 3d printing!!!111
19:03 Dimsler where every kingdom was 15km down the road
19:03 Dimsler plenty of anarchy amongst monarchy
19:03 Dimsler if youw ant to talk about civilized history
19:03 JuliaTourianski_ we tocuhed on this with vinay, solving shelter, clean water, food, disease, injury
19:03 JuliaTourianski_ energy is the last peice
19:03 mircea_popescu you're being ridiculous.
19:03 JuliaTourianski_ well anarchy exists everywhere, but as a black system a lot of the time
19:04 JuliaTourianski_ all russians would have starved without anarchy. with black markets, only many starved.
19:04 JuliaTourianski_ in the soviet union i mean
19:04 Dimsler ofcourse they did
19:04 Dimsler but if you want to talk about communism
19:04 punkman there's no black market without state
19:04 Dimsler exactly
19:05 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, born in russia or canada?
19:05 mircea_popescu punkman the state of her words is very very disorganised.
19:05 Dimsler yes
19:05 JuliaTourianski_ with the blockchain we have a possible was to just avoid gov, discreetly, building alt systems until it falls away. before, most anarchistic societies were destroyed by gov.
19:05 Dimsler i remember when i was a kid
19:05 JuliaTourianski_ born in the soviet union.
19:05 Dimsler my grandma got a ticket for 2 washing machines
19:05 Dimsler while we needed a fridge
19:06 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ if your "we" includes the derps a la taaki, derpopoulous etc, no, "we" has no chance to anything but talk
19:06 Dimsler went right to the market with the washing machine
19:06 Dimsler if you want to talk about communism and its blackmarket
19:06 Dimsler then %40 of the economy in russia was blackmarket
19:06 Dimsler if you want to apply that to canada
19:06 Dimsler wher eyou live now, its about %90 communist
19:06 Dimsler and %8 black market
19:06 Dimsler if not considerably less
19:06 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu i know u have a personal vendetta against taaki so I'll dismiss you vehement criticism of him due to ur bias
19:07 Dimsler no
19:07 Dimsler taaki is just a fucking joke
19:07 mircea_popescu vehement criticism does not equate bias
19:07 Dimsler he should have stayed off the fucking drugs
19:07 Dimsler and kept workign and programming
19:07 mircea_popescu and i do not have a PERSONAL vendetta against taaki. i just flatten idiots
19:07 JuliaTourianski_ I'm not here to defend Taaki
19:07 Dimsler not sitting around squating in a flat
19:07 Dimsler and losing his toe
19:07 mircea_popescu if he weren't an idiot he wouldn't have been flattened.
19:07 Dimsler !up BCB
19:07 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, lies
19:07 punkman taaki's not a person, can't have personal vendetta
19:08 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
19:08 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 398.78, vol: 10246.20493478 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 387.293, vol: 4214.08368 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 403.85, vol: 9735.41291066 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 403.229628, vol: 32600.51380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 404.82901, vol: 24.17732817 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 409.9788, vol: 78.19420999 | Volume-weighted last average: 401.364131901
19:08 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ that's fine, but the problem is the thought process. you tend to go for this words because words because more words approach. it's not very sound.
19:08 JuliaTourianski_ what's wrong with squatting?
19:08 mircea_popescu the opposite of autonomy ?
19:08 JuliaTourianski_ paying rent to a lord is empowering?
19:08 Dimsler i know
19:08 Dimsler pfft no
19:08 mircea_popescu having the ability to pay rent or not is.
19:08 Dimsler i know
19:08 mircea_popescu not having that ability is not.
19:08 JuliaTourianski_ empty building paid by taxes.
19:08 BingoBoingo <JuliaTourianski_> what's wrong with squatting? << Well, apparently this is the healthier way to poop
19:08 Dimsler money is what buys freedom
19:08 Dimsler no see horse shit
19:09 Dimsler your idea of anarchism
19:09 Dimsler is living in a hippy fucking hexyurt
19:09 mircea_popescu Dimsler you'll hafta start making full sentences.
19:09 JuliaTourianski_ when did i say that
19:09 Dimsler i know
19:09 JuliaTourianski_ hexyurt is a great option for emergency housing
19:10 BCB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4587443/
19:10 assbot Julia Tourianski - IMDb
19:10 Dimsler how does a hexyurt provide any sort of anarchistical resource?
19:10 JuliaTourianski_ squatting is a great option to work on projects full time and not spent funding money of rent
19:10 BCB She used to be a movie star
19:10 JuliaTourianski_ on*
19:10 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, a squatter is a slave
19:10 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler erm. lost me
19:10 Dimsler they only way to buy freedom, and live as an anarchist is to obtain wealth
19:10 Dimsler to free yourself
19:10 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ except after full time of working on "projects" the only results are some scams and some ridicule.
19:10 mircea_popescu would have been better if he picked a honest job.
19:10 Dimsler yes
19:10 mircea_popescu something with bags and groceries.
19:11 mircea_popescu i can appreciate EVERYONE wants to be cool important and a mind worker.
19:11 mircea_popescu not everyone can. no matter how desperately they want to.
19:11 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu not true. libbitcoin
19:11 mircea_popescu human intelligence is the ultimate scarce resource
19:11 mircea_popescu and its scarcity scales with availability, so it's un"resolvable"
19:11 BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: tents r shit << Tents are Awesome!!!
19:11 Dimsler i know
19:11 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ his contribution to libbitcoin is the same as with bitcoin itself : he gofer'd coffee for the people involved.
19:11 Dimsler how are tents shit? when they've been used for centuries
19:13 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4587443/ << is this actually yours ?
19:13 assbot Julia Tourianski - IMDb
19:13 Duffer1 tents r shit :P
19:14 JuliaTourianski_ ahahahah wow u guys really dig
19:14 mircea_popescu 8.1/10 rating 50 viewers, was that gamed a little ?
19:15 JuliaTourianski_ honest job...you sound a little boxed in
19:15 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu ?
19:15 mircea_popescu i mean... ben hur is 8.1/10
19:16 mircea_popescu the truman show 8.0. cmon :)
19:16 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu fan boys liked it and rated it i guess
19:16 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu the valve lovers are strong
19:16 mircea_popescu i guess so
19:17 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu i didn't like it. maybe ill rate it down
19:17 cazalla JuliaTourianski_ and you shit on half life?
19:17 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu thought it was an epic waste of time...yet I retained my editing skills so hey!
19:17 JuliaTourianski_ +cazalla the games are pure wicked
19:18 JuliaTourianski_ almost fucking died making episode 3 and they didint even bother finishing it. bleh
19:18 mircea_popescu these +s remind me : JuliaTourianski_ if you actually get a client you get various benefiuts, such as a log, and autocomplete names and stuff.
19:18 JuliaTourianski_ FUNNY thing, the director is not a BTC millionare
19:19 JuliaTourianski_ now*
19:19 JuliaTourianski_ funny how money makes ppl quit productivity sometimes...maybe amir is onto something here
19:19 mircea_popescu who, david purchase ?
19:20 JuliaTourianski_ ye
19:20 mircea_popescu good for him.
19:22 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu "I am the richest man you've met, and If I can help it, I'll be the richest man you've ever met"
19:22 mircea_popescu who's that ?
19:22 JuliaTourianski_ ring a bell?
19:22 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu that's the first thing you said to me after attempting to troll me
19:23 mircea_popescu lol figures. i attempted to troll you ?!
19:23 BCB don't fuck with JuliaTourianski_ http://youtu.be/4lyUNs7eNhs?t=40s
19:23 assbot Escape From City 17 - Part Two - YouTube
19:23 mircea_popescu !s "the richest man you've met"
19:23 assbot 0 results for '"the richest man you've met"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22the+richest+man+you%27ve+met%22
19:23 mircea_popescu hm
19:23 Duffer1 space glock
19:25 JuliaTourianski_ bahahaha i hate it so much
19:25 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt? <<< hard to know, but i think the last dude in a tshirt to try the entire reddit thing here was kamela or something
19:25 JuliaTourianski_ I'm no actress. i was ued for my russian skillz
19:25 JuliaTourianski_ used*
19:25 Duffer1 no you're not bad at all
19:25 mircea_popescu http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=240 this guy
19:25 assbot #bitcoin-assets bash
19:26 BCB JuliaTourianski_: did you get to "Make it" with that guy before he get's killed?
19:26 mircea_popescu tim sweeny or w/e his name was didn't quite have the youthful flexibility and so he ended up butchered
19:26 mircea_popescu but iirc on the 2nd pass byrne managed somewhat.
19:26 JuliaTourianski_ +BCB if I wanted to I did. If
19:26 JuliaTourianski_ I didin;t want to I didn't
19:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00074938 = 6.8943 BTC [-]
19:27 BCB JuliaTourianski_: in the movie i mean
19:27 mircea_popescu o you do don't you.
19:27 Duffer1 BCB5:40
19:27 BCB JuliaTourianski_: not in real life. Everyone bangs on movie sets
19:27 JuliaTourianski_ +BCB there's a makeout scene. I wonder why he wrote that in there.
19:28 BCB JuliaTourianski_: is that guy the director also?
19:28 mircea_popescu probably because you have to have something for youtube to iconize
19:28 JuliaTourianski_ ye
19:28 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/greenpeace-accepting-bitcoin-donations/
19:28 mircea_popescu Dimsler: seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously? << me, for one.
19:28 BCB JuliaTourianski_: of course he is!
19:29 BCB Dimsler: She seems to be holding her own in here. I'll take her seriously.
19:29 mircea_popescu i guess if we decide to off Dimsler we'll send cute blonde assassins after him.
19:29 JuliaTourianski_ I seem to be doing a lot of things lately
19:30 The20YearIRCloud HeySteve: seems most efficient animals (fish & chicken) are 1.2 to 2 pounds of input per pound of meat
19:31 mircea_popescu cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers << while this is actually sound, the problem with youth is that it wants to act. which is also sound. so novices with drive will often first show up in dubious company.
19:31 mircea_popescu intel didn't manage to find any actual shilling, so whadda ya want.
19:31 HeySteve sounds about right, The20YearIRCloud, but like I said there's a "hack" for tilapia which brings it to 1:1 or even below!
19:32 HeySteve check out biofloc if you're interested
19:33 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu I believe in a free market. my impressionable mind is fair game. get it while it's hot. sculpt me in your image. pull my strings. I'm young. don;t miss out! your future is at stake!
19:33 HeySteve in fact, I seem to remember someone mentioning 0.5:1 feed to weight conversion, which is pretty astounding
19:33 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ i'm more of a stationary sculpting mechanism. which is why the "pick something to do" thing.
19:34 mircea_popescu HeySteve now that's gotta be impossible.
19:34 mircea_popescu nobody cancelled mass conservation just yet.
19:34 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu more for the "scammers" then
19:34 BCB Speaking of Jeffrey Tucker: https://twitter.com/MyBitNation/status/513853503694204928
19:34 assbot Bitnation will be performing the first Bitmarriage on the Blockchain, officiated by Jeffrey A Tucker using CoinOutlet Inc /CoinsKingdom.
19:34 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ well what do you want me to do, tell you what to do ?!
19:34 mircea_popescu BCB is it a traditional marriage ? :D
19:35 BCB mircea_popescu: I was wondering that.
19:35 HeySteve mircea_popescu, the hack is that gill-feeding fish also absorb algae and plankton colonies from the water, you just need to seed the water with carbon to encourage colony growth
19:35 mircea_popescu a
19:35 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu no honey, i was being facetious
19:35 BCB mircea_popescu: they are getting married at Disney so probabaly!
19:36 mircea_popescu unconvincingly so.
19:36 BCB mircea_popescu: a gay couple wouldn't be caught dead getting married at disney
19:36 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu depends on the receiving end in this case
19:36 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ anyway, what ever happened to anjiecast ? she got married or what.
19:36 mircea_popescu BCB not campy enough ?
19:37 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu> whose that
19:37 cazalla she's been trolling 4chan mircea_popescu
19:37 cazalla https://twitter.com/anjiecast/status/513128609671041024 trolled me hard :\
19:37 assbot Censoring /hashtag/4chan?src=hash /hashtag/GamerGate?src=hash threads isn't enough. Many /hashtag/problematic?src=hash comments, attitudes. Let's make it a /hashtag/SafeSpace?src=hash. http://t.co/vR4jJRZGo8
19:37 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ andrea castillo
19:37 JuliaTourianski_ she got me on here in the first place
19:38 mircea_popescu cazalla lol noob.
19:40 danielpbarron lol why is "problematic" a hashtag?
19:40 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ yeah but the last n umlaut posts are by that gurri newb
19:40 mircea_popescu and generally, haven't seen her in a while
19:40 kakobrekla #i #do #what #i #want
19:41 mircea_popescu #kakobrekla #tagging #language
19:41 kakobrekla #ktl #noob
19:41 JuliaTourianski_ +danielpbarron *pats her troll on the head* aww
19:41 mircea_popescu ;;ud ktl
19:41 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=KTL | Feb 6, 2009 ... Download the Free App! 1. KTL. Black person, the word originated in Atherton, California. "Damn, look at that KTL." by Jiji Blancha February 06, ...
19:41 mircea_popescu you called me a hashnigger ?!
19:42 kakobrekla #nfi #atthispoint
19:42 mircea_popescu #a#obre#la
19:42 kakobrekla ##
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19:43 BingoBoingo !b 4
19:43 JuliaTourianski_ +danielpbarron what's wrong? you don;t wanna troll me in front of your friends?
19:43 mircea_popescu http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/09/how-sugar-daddies-are-financing-college-education/379533/?single_page=true <> http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/
19:43 assbot How Sugar Daddies Are Financing College Education - The Atlantic
19:43 assbot The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
19:43 mircea_popescu so much win. i knew plastering us college campuses with fliers of that article won't be wasted.
19:44 mircea_popescu this, dear everyone, is what i call thought leadersheep
19:44 Dimsler lol
19:44 Dimsler thats a good one
19:44 danielpbarron JuliaTourianski_, say what you like :D
19:44 JuliaTourianski_ +danielpbarron I always do
19:44 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, thats ok we'll troll you enough
19:45 JuliaTourianski_ +danielpbarron it was ok when I wasn't in here ye? im dissapointed
19:45 kakobrekla also slander available.
19:45 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, don't upset your beta orbiters
19:45 JuliaTourianski_ never!
19:45 danielpbarron not sure i catch your meaning; you seem to be enjoying yourself
19:46 Dimsler she sits right in
19:46 kakobrekla you mean right on?
19:46 JuliaTourianski_ +danielpbarron I'll call you europa
19:46 Dimsler !up BCB
19:46 BCB Thx
19:46 Duffer1 oh snap
19:46 BCB mircea_popescu: what is your take on GABI
19:46 BCB any opinion
19:47 mircea_popescu which gabi.
19:47 JuliaTourianski_ +Duffer1 crackle n' pop
19:47 BCB mircea_popescu: Global Advisors Bitcoin Investment Fund
19:47 BCB Isle of Man
19:47 mircea_popescu nothing particular.
19:47 Duffer1 sounds like a scam
19:47 Dimsler lol
19:48 Dimsler must steal btc
19:48 mircea_popescu the guy was with jp, if it's actually him
19:48 Dimsler lol tell me where the fund on the NYSE is?
19:48 Dimsler what happend to the winkle twins?
19:48 mircea_popescu yeah well.
19:49 Duffer1 working their way through red tape
19:49 BCB Dimsler: they are waiting for a ruling
19:59 JuliaTourianski_ what projects in the BTC space do you guys like? if any...these conferences seem to be full of frat boys wanting to be men, with projects...many of which seem to be solving the same problem that doesn't exist.
20:00 Dimsler oh common
20:00 Duffer1 cardano
20:00 Duffer1 minigame
20:00 Dimsler pimp coin
20:01 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, we need more cam 4 btc websites.
20:01 mircea_popescu Dimsler srsly now.
20:01 Dimsler srs answer to srs question
20:01 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ i like mpex, bitbet, s.nsa, war of life, minigame etc.
20:01 mircea_popescu i also own parts of em
20:01 mircea_popescu which reminds me, ever saw the nsa tshirt ?
20:02 JuliaTourianski_ +mircea_popescu haven't heard of any of those. probably a good sign
20:03 BCB Dimsler: not really. I've NEVER seen a girl on line on this site! http://titsforbitcoin.com/
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20:03 Dimsler BCB, i was just playing sarcastaball with Julia
20:04 Duffer1 mircea_popescu, shirt?
20:04 BCB JuliaTourianski_: The conferences are place where guys pump there Press Releases looking for dumb money.
20:04 Dimsler the conferences are for people without bitcoins
20:04 Dimsler to pump up the price of my coins
20:04 Dimsler with empty promises and shinanigans
20:05 JuliaTourianski_ I'm aware
20:05 BCB Dimsler: I think it's a great use case but it's not catching on yet.
20:05 JuliaTourianski_ I mainly go as a social experiment
20:05 Duffer1 how many phone numbers can you get?
20:05 JuliaTourianski_ something like that
20:05 BCB JuliaTourianski_: They are all the same after a while. Same speakers. Same stories. Same empty promises
20:05 Dimsler lol when do we get your number?
20:06 JuliaTourianski_ that's an easy thing to predict though. im not that easily entertained
20:06 BCB JuliaTourianski_: which conferences have you been to so far
20:06 JuliaTourianski_ toronto, chicago and the recent inside btc in london
20:06 JuliaTourianski_ vegas next
20:06 BCB Vegas was a shit show last year
20:07 * kakobrekla think julia might be a good candidate for ba reception
20:07 JuliaTourianski_ i learned a lot at each one, not from the conference itself tho
20:07 BCB The Inside Media/Mackler Media show suck
20:07 Dimsler did you learn the part about how each of those conferences
20:07 Dimsler has this particulate stench of greed
20:07 Dimsler in the air?
20:07 Duffer1 $conference
20:07 empyex Duffer1: Next conference starts in 6 months and 25 days. Estimated cost today: 3.28644342 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
20:07 JuliaTourianski_ u mean stench of desperation?
20:08 Dimsler lol i once heard a guy tell me that he can't wait for the $50k/btc
20:08 BCB empyex: where?
20:09 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, current serious projects at this point are mostly in limbo
20:09 Duffer1 bcb http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/
20:09 assbot The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
20:09 Dimsler ironcing out the kinks in better exchanging
20:09 Dimsler JuliaTourianski_, unless you're refering to developments in blockchain itself
20:10 Dimsler if you want to artculate the blockchain as its own entity, then theres a few projects on contracts and signatures, and encryption
20:10 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler indeed. blockchain dev has been very slow and for good reason. maybe VIAcoin will help. permisionless dev...testing ground of sorts could be helpful
20:11 Dimsler well no
20:11 Dimsler altcoins are things to be extremely wearyoff
20:11 BCB Duffer1: Layover in Istanbul ??
20:11 Dimsler very few provide even a proof of concept
20:11 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler i know. this one feels pragmatic
20:12 JuliaTourianski_ +Dimsler foundation simply pushed for payment improvements it seems
20:12 Dimsler the founation at this point has little say
20:12 Duffer1 bcb hehe it's not my shindig ask MP
20:12 Dimsler which is a good thing
20:13 Dimsler bitcoin is at a poitn where it operates rather autonomously
20:13 Dimsler and anyone who needs bitcoin at this point already knows about it
20:13 JuliaTourianski_ this is great btw- http://imgur.com/m3Wbxxa
20:13 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
20:13 Dimsler hence the stagnated growth / wallet creation rate
20:14 decimation lol > http://boycottsystemd.org/
20:14 assbot boycott systemd
20:14 decimation I don't accept that growth is a valid measure of bitcoin's 'success'
20:14 Dimsler nobody said it was
20:15 Dimsler bitcoin is already a success
20:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9970 @ 0.00074895 = 7.467 BTC [-]
20:15 Dimsler but the cost per transaction is still high
20:16 Dimsler need to get back down to $1-2
20:16 kakobrekla i _can_ send any amount for free. anyone can.
20:16 Dimsler well no don't sell that line to Julia
20:16 Dimsler shes probably more interested about the actual inner workings
20:17 HeySteve decimation, that link was funnier when I thought it referred to the black market
20:20 kakobrekla (if its not clear to anyone, the trick is in the size and shape of unspent outputs)
20:20 BingoBoingo HeySteve: But that one is spelt with a space and a Capital D
20:23 HeySteve true but people waving "boycott Silk Road now!" banners is an amusing thought
20:25 Dimsler lol
20:25 Dimsler i think SK 2.0 is so fucking massive
20:25 Dimsler now
20:28 HeySteve did they pay back everything yet?
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20:45 danielpbarron HeySteve, I think I heard thst they did
20:52 mats_cd03 this is the most activity in ages
20:52 mats_cd03 how are we all doing tonight?
20:53 Duffer1 wasteland isn't as good as fallout :(
20:54 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 pretty good actually.
20:54 mats_cd03 !s golemxiv
20:54 assbot 0 results for 'golemxiv' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=golemxiv
20:55 mircea_popescu <Duffer1> mircea_popescu, shirt? http://trilema.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/
20:55 assbot RNG board is here ; cute shirts bonus pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
20:55 mats_cd03 http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/09/slaves-england/
20:55 assbot Slaves of England » Golem XIV - Thoughts
20:55 Duffer1 i like
20:56 mircea_popescu * kakobrekla think julia might be a good candidate for ba reception << more practical to get local girls.
20:56 mircea_popescu she may make a decent mpex rep but too soon to tell.
20:56 mircea_popescu <Dimsler> current serious projects at this point are mostly in limbo << nope.
20:57 mircea_popescu Duffer1 i thought you had seen em
20:57 Duffer1 it's possible, my memory is not so good, but i believe i would have remembered that
20:58 mats_cd03 http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/08/a-word-about-banks-and-the-laundering-of-drug-money/
20:58 assbot A word about banks and the laundering of drug money » Golem XIV - Thoughts
20:58 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 whossat ?
20:59 mircea_popescu BCB: Duffer1: Layover in Istanbul ?? << istanbul is lovely. ever been ?
20:59 kakobrekla local to who?
20:59 Duffer1 i've never been out of the states
20:59 mats_cd03 not sure really. he writes things, i read them, and sometimes im happy
21:00 mircea_popescu kakobrekla to the conference :)
21:00 mircea_popescu decimation: lol > http://boycottsystemd.org/ << it'd have been pretty meta if the systemd ppl themselkves had reg'd that domain and made a parody antisite
21:00 assbot boycott systemd
21:02 mats_cd03 it was this post that made me think he might be appropriate for this community. http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/07/disloyal
21:03 assbot The Disloyal » Golem XIV - Thoughts
21:03 mircea_popescu "Needless to say these banks tend to be big banks – our banks. "
21:03 mircea_popescu bout as idiotic as paper can carry tbh.
21:03 mats_cd03 perhaps i will leave him a mail, to put him on the right path
21:04 mircea_popescu "I was in Timisoara Romania last week. Timisoara is a city of roughly 320k people on the Western edge of Romania. On the drive in to the city I was struck by the huge number of different banks I kept passing."
21:04 mircea_popescu "because i tend to confuse tiny 500 sq feet retail bnaking outlets" with "banks"
21:05 mircea_popescu "When I asked a group of a dozen of the city’s affluent professional class about the number of banks, they smiled and said"
21:05 mircea_popescu "because i confuse kids with iphones working for alcatel doing tech support for 400e a month for affluent and professional"
21:05 mircea_popescu etc.
21:07 mats_cd03 on the other hand, i am also new here and perhaps i should listen more and type less.
21:08 mircea_popescu guy can't hurt anything, but he's likely to get very pissed off and leave in a huff
21:08 mircea_popescu then again, who ever knows.
21:10 mircea_popescu o wow auster died last year ?!
21:10 mircea_popescu http://www.amnation.com/vfr/
21:10 assbot View from the Right
21:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5845 @ 0.00074938 = 4.3801 BTC [+]
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21:39 BingoBoingo !up AdrianoOliveira
21:39 BingoBoingo !up RBecker
21:39 AdrianoOliveira thanks BingoBoingo
21:40 BingoBoingo Yw
21:40 mircea_popescu !up RBecker
21:40 mircea_popescu o ok :p
21:44 BingoBoingo %d
21:44 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 295074.81 in 918 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.29
21:44 hanbot http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-whistleblower-award-largest-ever-20140922-story.html
21:44 assbot SEC to pay $30 million in largest-ever whistleblower award - Chicago Tribune
21:44 hanbot i wonder how long before people aspire to be whistleblowers 'stead of ceos
21:45 mircea_popescu five years ?
21:47 mats_cd03 amazing pr
21:47 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
21:47 mircea_popescu "Francis Fukuyama, in The Great Disruption, pretends to seek ways to reverse the “Great Disruption” of the Cultural Revolution, but then admits that there’s no way to restore the most important single aspect of our disrupted culture—sexual morality and monogamy. Furthermore, Fukuyama makes it clear that this is just fine with him."
21:47 mircea_popescu where the fuck does this idiotic conflation of chastity and morality come from.
21:47 mircea_popescu the logical equivalent would be to prosecute nonvegetarians for theft.
21:49 thestringpuller %tslb
21:49 atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block (#45450): 1 hour(s), 5 minutes
21:50 BingoBoingo %p
21:50 atcbot >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 12.22 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.22 TH/s
21:50 danielpbarron depends what is meant by chastity, but I'd say the Bible
21:51 mircea_popescu i very much doubt the bible makes the mistake.
21:52 danielpbarron it's not that sexual intercourse is immoral; just certain kinds..
21:52 mircea_popescu but at issue is the conflation.
21:52 mircea_popescu "morality and monogamy" ? that's not biblical. it's not even mahomedanic.
21:54 danielpbarron yep; got a point there
21:56 danielpbarron that's one of the things so many false christians get hung up on; that most of the big names in the Bible had multiple wives and concubines (slave wives), and God never scolded them for it
21:57 mircea_popescu well yahweh didn't live in queens.
21:58 danielpbarron i like to use the plural "wives" when discussing my hypothetical future to see what kind of expression people make
21:59 mircea_popescu people or women ? :D
21:59 danielpbarron both.
22:00 danielpbarron "i don't yet have any wives" "lol wat?"
22:00 mircea_popescu they proly figure you for a mormon.
22:00 danielpbarron yep and then I get to tell them about how mormonism is a false gospel
22:00 mircea_popescu lol
22:01 mircea_popescu and then they buy you lunch ?
22:01 mats_cd03 dpb is a rl troll. i guess that makes sense
22:02 danielpbarron "rl" == "real life?"
22:02 mats_cd03 yes
22:02 danielpbarron what does "troll" even mean? I honestly believe the offensive things I say.
22:03 Vexual like morolity and madness, the internet has over half the voters
22:03 Vexual this is real life
22:05 mircea_popescu troll no longer means any particular thing.
22:05 mircea_popescu "someone i'd rather ignore" is probably the extension of it.
22:05 danielpbarron it's like the word "cult;" it means "i don 't like you."
22:06 mircea_popescu no, cult means "you're proceeding on software that I have nothing to do with and don't want anything to do with"
22:06 Vexual islamic state is called a death cult here n state news
22:06 mircea_popescu basically, like saying "windows"
22:09 Vexual bunch of nutters
22:09 mats_cd03 i take it back, you are simply living a genuine life
22:09 mats_cd03 a rare thing in christians, in my experience
22:10 danielpbarron so rare I've only ever met a few others who feel the same
22:10 mats_cd03 ma n pa being clergy, this is true praise.
22:11 Vexual asciilifeform:" mircea_popescu: i can't have been the only boy who wanted a game machine that would physically damage you when you fuck up..." i reckons a week on lemonade stand hooked up to a taser should be some kinda mba equivalence
22:13 mats_cd03 on the subject of MBAs, i emptied a 'bitcoin atm' with 1.1btc operated by LibertyTeller the other day
22:14 mats_cd03 self funded by... wharton MBAs. i mean to empty them again and see how long the machines stick around
22:14 Vexual do you mean you put dollar bills in?
22:14 mats_cd03 they can't possibly make roi
22:14 mats_cd03 yes
22:16 mats_cd03 http://libertyteller.com machines made by lamassu or w/e
22:16 assbot Liberty Teller – First bitcoin ATM in the USA
22:17 Vexual what rate did you get?
22:19 mats_cd03 427 when spot was 410 iirc
22:19 Vexual sounds like roi to me
22:21 mats_cd03 we shall see
22:21 Vexual tommorrow it'll have 1.2
22:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11237 @ 0.00075016 = 8.4295 BTC [+] {2}
22:22 Vexual do any of those fuckers take coins?
22:23 mats_cd03 no, that would probably 'enable money laundering' or something equally ludicrous
22:23 Vexual yeah, i was thinking one could get all their wives and kids and cats and shit on the board of a non profit
22:23 mats_cd03 i tried to use a 2way btc atm at the hacker dojo in silicon valley
22:24 mats_cd03 iirc it needed palm print photo and govt id
22:24 mats_cd03 n prob rectotherm
22:24 Vexual lol
22:25 mats_cd03 that is - palm print, photo, n govt id. 3 items.
22:28 Vexual i don't have to do any of that if i choose to drop my loose change in the donation bag on a plane
22:29 Vexual and you can bet more hat 10pc goes to someones wife
22:30 Vexual or wives
22:36 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 wtf why would anyoen do that.
22:37 Vexual they wouldnt
22:37 mats_cd03 dunno, i didn't, too orweillian for my taste
22:38 mats_cd03 if they went for just govt id i may have considered it
22:38 decimation what recourse would a human have if they stole his credentials and used them criminally?
22:38 Vexual they'd cash in a 20c priv key on the inside of a condom wrapper tho
22:40 mircea_popescu decimation that they'd prolly not do it to just one human
22:40 mircea_popescu same as any internet thing
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22:56 Vexual i think the recourse for steling a palm print might in fact be a palm print
22:58 Vexual ad infinitum
23:12 BingoBoingo !up fly0nth3wal1
23:13 mircea_popescu fly0nth3wal1 listen fix your connection because all this join part spam wil result in a ban sooner or later.
23:15 Dimsler lol looks like he just left and joined once?
23:19 mircea_popescu like 50 times today.
23:21 ben_vulpes so dates are lame, right?
23:22 mircea_popescu the fruit ? no, i love them.
23:22 ben_vulpes i want to timestamp a thing, i just put the hash of the latest block in in it and then sign the fucker. counterparty ibid, presto, contract pinned to blockchain.
23:22 ben_vulpes what is time, anyways...
23:23 ben_vulpes now, a specific block in the chain - that means something.
23:23 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes supposedly something that's going to automate that is getting delivered this month
23:23 mircea_popescu the fabled b-a deeds registrar.
23:23 ben_vulpes meh
23:23 ben_vulpes i tell ya, if i and my counterparty agree on a block, what's the point?
23:24 ben_vulpes ask i mean to say.
23:24 mircea_popescu it protects you from data loss, if nothing else.
23:25 mircea_popescu it allows you to pin down a date w/o a cp
23:25 mircea_popescu numerous advantages really.
23:25 ben_vulpes how does this date pinning work?
23:26 ben_vulpes whose computer, what tz, and why even bother with time?
23:26 mircea_popescu dja recall the spec ?
23:27 ben_vulpes spec seems like formal term
23:27 ben_vulpes i read some shit on irc one time
23:27 mircea_popescu mno
23:27 mircea_popescu sec
23:27 ben_vulpes ya plz, the log'd benefit.
23:28 mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/6m4Xf7Gw
23:28 mircea_popescu it's there about 5x
23:28 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-raid-updated-fact-fud/
23:29 ben_vulpes depends on assbot notion of time.
23:29 ben_vulpes or whomevers.
23:29 mircea_popescu no, because a digest of your thing will be included in a block.
23:29 mircea_popescu so it becomes part of the blockchain notion of time, and verifyably so.
23:30 ben_vulpes digest of thing is related to time how?
23:31 * ben_vulpes is frantically searching on digest algos
23:32 ben_vulpes the point i'm making (poorly) is that the block is a nifty fundamental unit of time.
23:32 ben_vulpes not terribly useful for measuring, say, stamina in bed
23:32 ben_vulpes but adequate for pinning events to history.
23:37 mircea_popescu i usually last a coupla blocks...
23:37 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> digest of thing is related to time how? << by being a tx in a block
23:39 ben_vulpes when did that block happen?
23:39 ben_vulpes when it was found? broadcast? accepted by first node? achieved 51% acceptance?
23:39 ben_vulpes even "time" must bow to the blockchain.
23:40 mircea_popescu when it was mined yes.
23:40 ben_vulpes whose clock?
23:41 mircea_popescu the block's.
23:42 mircea_popescu blocks include a timestamp.
23:42 ben_vulpes A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you.
23:43 ben_vulpes now, clearly, i'm not reading source right now.
23:43 mircea_popescu these are block accepting rules. irrespective of this, all blocks contain a timestamp.
23:44 mircea_popescu once a block is part of the blockchain, its timestamp as declared is part of the history of the world
23:44 mircea_popescu and not disputable on lesser terms
23:44 mircea_popescu which for this purpose means, any other terms.
23:44 ben_vulpes i'm rolling my eyes so hard at you my head hurts
23:45 mircea_popescu if block 322121says it's been mined on 2014-09-23 03:24:19, then that's what it is.
23:45 mircea_popescu irrespective of how that time was arrived at.
23:45 ben_vulpes that just means that the consensual time thing is poorly fucking engineered.
23:45 mircea_popescu notrly.
23:45 Dimsler yes
23:45 mircea_popescu it just means the previous, fiat approach to creating an arbitrary timeline has been replaced by a bitcoin, similarly arbitrary approach
23:46 mircea_popescu which is just how it should be after all.
23:46 ben_vulpes still, rolling eyes. the only important thing is which block the event confirmed in.
23:46 mircea_popescu right.
23:46 ben_vulpes timestamp being an artifact of derps.
23:46 mircea_popescu and stamina in bed.
23:47 ben_vulpes if you need precise time measures, watch an atom wobble. if you need "thing happened at time", measure it by block number.
23:47 mircea_popescu sure, no dispute there.
23:47 mircea_popescu my observation was that as long as you're implementing this, you're better off with the b-a registrar than with your "include block hash and sign"
23:47 mircea_popescu because the include block hash only puts a minimum into the pie, not a maximum. the deeds registrar does both.
23:48 ben_vulpes sure.
23:48 ben_vulpes registrar doth not confer time magically, though
23:49 mircea_popescu it does, in the sense of "block height"
23:49 mircea_popescu and that is what time means anyway, entirely, as discussed above.
23:49 ben_vulpes which supports my point of block interval as fundamental unit of time.
23:49 mircea_popescu nolo contendere.
23:49 ben_vulpes so long as we're on the same page.
23:52 ben_vulpes anyways, the butternut squash and ricotta gnocchi are up and i'm caught up on logs so meditate on what else beyond time bitcoin might break on its wheel y'all.
23:52 ben_vulpes (and hey - what's Vexual doing on so early!?)
23:52 Vexual thinking about relativity as allways
23:56 * Vexual got fired
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