#trilema | 2014-05-06

http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity/

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Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mir

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jurov ^ there, speshal for you.

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2250 @ 0.00014287 = 0.3215 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.0008472 = 23.298 BTC [-] {3}

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mircea_popescu: i'm not even reactionary, myself, i've not gotten so far. some visiting french politics professor called me "white" << Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like today if Marx had perished while affixed to the wall of some landgrave's dungeon.

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well, for one thing we wouldn't need +m here

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as we'd be the only ones able to read and write anyway

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 720 @ 0.000141 = 0.1015 BTC [-]

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My first thought is to rue those insights that would have been lost because some peasant wasn't in the right WoT. Then I remember the concern most nobles demonstrated by searching for talent within their own fields.

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and that's all for me. catch you tomorrow.

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yeah, me too

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17192 @ 0.00084588 = 14.5424 BTC [-] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07677829 = 0.9213 BTC [-] {3}

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OH! I GET IT!

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It's like an order randomized mixer.

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artifexd: The reusing addresses thing?

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Yeah.

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As in: Send me money. I'll send it to you later. But I may send the next guys money before I send yours. I may also send you a different amount than you sent me.

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That makes some sort of minor sense for a service that just holds money to send it back to its users, but that logic doesn't do a user of bitcoin any good.

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artifexd: It can make a ton of good. Someone suspects an address is yours because of a transaction between it and an address you claimed. You can assert, no that's a service's address and disavow it.

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Among other things.

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I can also just assert that the address isn't mine. Period. The first time I came into possession of the coins was when they arrived at the address I claimed.

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I certainly believe that reusing addresses has a time and a place. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the idea that it increases anonymity.

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0316021 = 0.316 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075501 = 0.151 BTC [-] {2}

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It makes more sense when I notice that mp has never (that I've seen) recommended that users reuse addresses. His statements have always (that I have seen) talked about services reusing addresses. Which... ok. I'll buy that.

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%t

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atcbot

[X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 235 Last Price: 240 24h-Vol: 126k High: 240 Low: 224 VWAP: 232

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artifexd: Well the thing is best practices for users involve a degree of esoterism

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A mix of resuse some addresses never, and reuse some addresses frequently.

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]

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Did ATC just hit an all time high?

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The worst privacy case for an individual though is one one address and only that address forever and ever, amen

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OMG, yeah. Absolutely.

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artifexd: No, on Openex it traded up to the 700's

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That hardly counts.

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The volume and trade frequency were higher than x-bt's usually is now.

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Did the guy that wrote openex ever come back? I haven't noticed him since then.

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artifexd: Not that I know of you can check the forums. His nick is r3wt

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Ick. Forums. It occurs to me that I don't care that much.

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That reaction is the same reason I didn't check for you

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.454 = 0.908 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07695561 = 1.5391 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07737491 = 2.476 BTC [+] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07799991 = 2.106 BTC [+] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [7C] 15 @ 0.00717577 = 0.1076 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [7C] 15 @ 0.00717577 = 0.1076 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00085505 = 14.2793 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00085278 = 12.7491 BTC [-]

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http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/5/5677734/bitcoin-plex-isk-eve-online

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Why Eve Online's economist thinks bitcoin could be a scam | Polygon

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lol

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garbage article, opionions and arguments how fun

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Naphex: Did you know there is a clean pathway between Isk and BTC?

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what do you mean?

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http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoins-eve-corporation/

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Bitcoin’s EVE corporation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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ah yeah i know of it

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[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 260 @ 0.00319713 = 0.8313 BTC [-] {3}

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BingoBoingo:http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/05/a-pragmatic-test-for-alcoholism/ <- too true

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bb, heading towards the office

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late wakeup

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I had a girlfriend that said I was an alcoholic because I enjoyed a drink or two or three every night

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so I stopped for 6 months to demonstrate I wasn't

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dumped her at the end of the 6 months

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Sounds like a waste of six months you could have spent with a reasonable girl

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yep

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good lessons to learn when you're young

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had an older (wiser) friend say to me "this girl is really difficult to be with"

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and I was like "yep, but I love her"

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and he was like "but it's too much effort for a girl."

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fin.

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good scene ;]

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heh heh

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!up Clue

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Voicing Clue for 30 minutes.

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I really hope csshih's employees don't fuck up getting the package out today.

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Be a shame if he had to with them twice

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BingoBoingo: what did you order?

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!up Sahtor

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Voicing Sahtor for 30 minutes.

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fluffypony: Flashlights. It's storm season and I learned all of the ones I have around are aging and their bulbs suck

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lol

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I meant which ones specifically

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<- bit of a flashlight nerd

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nite ize inovas

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two or three drinks a night does qualify for alcoholism in some books

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good choice

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Fuck those books

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fluffypony: Thank you for the vote of confidence

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bounce: I think that the qualifying factor is whether it changes your behaviour

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No, the line for alcoholism is that stopping drinking impares your ability to continue living

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wikipedia claims delirium tremens only kicks in after a week or so

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IIRC the criterion was like five glasses a week. though it went upward if you're a student, upward again if you're a medical or technical student, and upward again for certain cities with skewed (as in, mostly male) student population

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Eh, details

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of course; it's do goodery prattle

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Worse, it's a bunch of forum derp.

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no, official guidance and everything

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This is the same sort of derp think that gets us people who do stuff like support the bitcoin foundation because it sounds right.

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eh, finance's not supposed to /drink/ anyway.

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Or support p2p decentralized everythings because if these things are good in some applications, they must be good in all applications, right.

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lol

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decentralize EVERYTHING!

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oh this is my favourite

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https://twitter.com/The1KingDragon/status/463477836213264385

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Twitter / The1KingDragon: The latest @TheCryptoRush: ...

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The latest @TheCryptoRush: Dropped php/mysql in favor of node.js/mongodb. Want it faster? Help code: freenode #cryptorush (2/2) #crypto #btc

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because what an exchange REALLY needs is eventual consistency

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plenty people have contended that because GUIs look pretty for some applications, if only everybody used GUIs for everything productivity will soar for everybody

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we're still living with the damage

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and a gay language invented by a homophobe

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Because excess and poorly contextualized drinking can be destructive, apparently taking more than five drinks must be an illness. As opposed to the medical condition where the body has adapted to the presence of alcohol so much that discontinuing it is harmful.

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dropping php/mysql isn't a bad idea. but the replacement... some people are magnets for failure

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mongodb is amazing in the sense that 99% of its users do not need it, and create themselves new problems

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AMAZING COMPANY!

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 713 @ 0.00014273 = 0.1018 BTC [+]

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that's community counselors for you

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could well be from the idea that having people not spend several hundred beer tokens at the local watering hole each and every week would leave them with more money to spend on other things. then again, why aren't they waging national campaigns against audiophoolism? that's even more expensive and braindamaged.

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bounce: I've actually always suspected the religious case for prohibition was largely influenced by the cost of drinking taking money that could have been tithed

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;;google define:tithed

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Tithe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe>; tithed - definition of tithed by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/tithed>; Tithe - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tithe>

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;;google vodka russia taxes

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Legal vodka production falls by one-third in Russia — RT Business: <http://rt.com/business/russia-vodka-production-falls-158/>; Russian Vodka Prices Set to Increase by 30% in July - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2012/05/31/russian-vodka-prices-set-to-increase-by-30-in-july/>; Russia's vodka tax: backfiring – beyondbrics - Blogs - FT.com: <http://blogs.ft.com (1 more message)

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russia running mostly on vodka, I don't suppose that'll change any time soon

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!up steven-__

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Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.

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!up Dimsler

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Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.

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thanks

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steven-__: You're welcome. What brings you to these parts?

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I have been idling here for some time still learning

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not very active tonight

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Cool. Yeah, it's kind of a slow night. Anythings you do in Bitcoin or would like to do in Bitcoin?

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the peaceful time of day

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I'm still warping my head around it all, so not yet

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steven-__: That's probably the safest thing. Probably wouldn't hurt to acquire some coin and dispose of some coin as practice if you haven't done much other than read yet.

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Another interesting exercise is holding coin and keeping it safe from technical threats and ill advised spending

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2526 @ 0.00013807 = 0.3488 BTC [-] {6}

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I have held coin on and off for 2 years but never in any sort of safe way

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http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/btcxchangeRON.html woot! :D

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Bitcoin Charts / Markets / btcxchangeRON

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The only better time to practice than before is now

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what is ron?

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romanian money

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ah romanian leu

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yeah

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just bought a new PC 17,224.89 Lei :(

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o.0

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what's lei? the doge to ron's bitcoin?

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alienware or did you build yourself a rendering machine?

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nah built

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http://i.imgur.com/AfSp6X7.jpg

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5.3k usd, must be a beast

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Asus AMD Radeon R9 295X2, 8192MB + Asus X79 RAMPAGE IV BLACK EDITION was the expensive part

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:p

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"Porn has never looked so good!" - Naphex with his new PC

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4k porn? :P

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*rendered*

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hehe, is there any though?:D

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i'm gonna use it for mining :)))

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just kidding

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haha

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lmao

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00085329 = 12.5434 BTC [+]

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i noticed you guys have a lot of support for sterling

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its really misplaced he has been a shit owner for years

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and they are just pushing him out now that his team is good

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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090624

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Bill Simmons writes an open letter to Blake Griffin on the eve of the NBA draft - ESPN

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Well if someone wants to own a turd, they can own a turd.

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!up steven-__

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Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.

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they let him own a turd

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ANd now they won't.

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but now that its not a turd they took it away

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yes

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00085568 = 16.1724 BTC [+]

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this racism thing is just a way to sell it to the masses

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Or sell it to Magic Johnson.

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sell the story of them taking away the team to the masses not the team itself

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but yea magic was my first thought but he is pretty busy bringing a NFL team to la

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Hopefully it's the Rams

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They have been saying that for years

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hopefully now that magic is involved they can get it done

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http://valleywag.gawker.com/is-this-the-worst-tech-idea-of-2014-1570504945

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Is This the Worst Tech Idea of 2014?

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07849989 = 0.471 BTC [+] {2}

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it's actually pretty much like the cloud

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and shows how non-revolutionary "clouds" are, not how how stupid that one is

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I thought that post was just native advertising

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the first makespace post

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http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/makespace "Categories:

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None, Storage"

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None, accurate

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lol

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pankkake when are we starting a business? we can call it "the Dropbox of water"

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and store it in clouds

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http://scoopertino.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/apple_water_page.jpg

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i wonder if you lose your stuff like data in other failed startups

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lol

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Of course you do

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this really just seems like http://www.pods.com/ with smaller boxes

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It is

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!up steven-__

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Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.

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!up periscope

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Voicing periscope for 30 minutes.

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03276275 = 0.2949 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 700 @ 0.00019799 = 0.1386 BTC [-]

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http://thecodelesscode.com/case/143

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The Codeless Code:

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0784999 = 0.157 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31420 @ 0.00085303 = 26.8022 BTC [-] {2}

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good morning ass...ets.

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lol

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artifexd: It's like an order randomized mixer. << something like that.

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it's not technically that, because in point of fact you *can* implement with single use addresses the same system. however, you could also not have, and likely the presumption will be that you have not. so it's more like proof that you have than anything

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artifexd: I can also just assert that the address isn't mine. Period. << absolutely. on the other hand, reusing addresses actually makes the stupidirty of "calculating taint" much more expensive.

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not only in tech terms, but also in intellectual terms. ie, the nonsense one has to believe in other to believe in taint.

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this happens to be how one defends himself from stupidity : by making the intellectual cost of stupidity skyrocket.

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like, derps believe "there is a god above" ? well, let's put some satellites in orbit, see what they do then ? ah, they still believe it, except it's now above-er ? win.

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artifexd: It makes more sense when I notice that mp has never (that I've seen) recommended that users reuse addresses. His statements have always (that I have seen) talked about services reusing addresses. << yes, this is an important, and also correct, observation.

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.07684537 = 3.1507 BTC [-] {5}

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;;seen r3wt

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r3wt was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <r3wt> ;;bcauth r3wt

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Naphex: garbage article, opionions and arguments how fun << they've been having an eve corp whose shares are traded in bitcoin/equiv MPOE shares for... a year now ? more ?

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07626913 = 1.6017 BTC [-] {3}

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a nm, it got linked.

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fluffypony: so I stopped for 6 months to demonstrate I wasn't << alternatively you could have belted her butt to demonstrate it's not her place to say. better for humanity, because she probably went on to write opinionful articles about things.

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mircea_popescu: yeah...part of it was also to prove to myself I wasn't an alcoholic:)

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see, i can appreciate that sentiment, but it has a hole in it

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because inasmuch as it's in your hands, abstaining for an arbitrary period from x does not prove you don't have an addiction.

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the only logically sound way this proof works is if you're a slave and your master orders you to stop, without a specific timeframe. then yes.

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but does slavery == addiction ?

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no, slavery = outside of your control.

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oic oic

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there's nothing to negotiate, see ? whereas as long as you are your own master for all you know your adiction is making a deal

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for its immunity.

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now, this certainly isn't to say that taking a break is not a good idea.

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all it says is that it's indicium not proof.

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fluffypony: and he was like "but it's too much effort for a girl." << check it out thickasthieves, it's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#591323 all over again :D

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;;later tell thickasthieves ^

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The operation succeeded.

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mwahahaha

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well that's the lesson that I learnt

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it shouldn't be difficult

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sanity shouldn't be difficult. in practice, nothing else is quite as difficult.

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for from the crooked timber of humanity...

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no straight thing was ever made

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bounce: two or three drinks a night does qualify for alcoholism in some books << it very much depends on ethnicity and culture. your average samoan doing three vodka shots each day will be fucking dead from it.

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jurov on the other hand, gets meningitis of the uvula from not drinking enough.

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bounce: eh, finance's not supposed to /drink/ anyway. << oddly, all good doctors i ever knew smoked like turks, and all good finance people were drunks. check out romania's cb president pro vita, his face has the distinct red marks of enjoying wine.

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bounce: dropping php/mysql isn't a bad idea. but the replacement... some people are magnets for failure << i suspect mysql (just by itself) may actually be a better choice than mongodb.

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agreed

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00085636 = 15.0719 BTC [+]

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BingoBoingo: bounce: I've actually always suspected the religious case for prohibition was largely influenced by the cost of drinking taking money that could have been tithed << actually, it was leftover from english historical issues. "nitially gin was a welcome industry in England because it allowed a new class of consumption for grain, thus promising to elevate the prices of grain and so the profits of the landed ge

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ntry. Within a generation or two the prevailing winds changed, and most all of Victorian morals can adequately be reduced to and explained in terms of, the lords pushing their sponsored priests to go to war on their behalf, under the banners of other people should drink gin so as to make the lord money, but the people of this parish should not drink gin so as to be able to work long and hard, thus making the l

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ord money. That schizoid insanity is still torturing our fledging northern colonies to this day. "

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via teh divine cunt's footnotes. http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/#footnote_0_50163

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Naphex: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/btcxchangeRON.html woot! :D << wd.

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30day vol 487.65107709 BTC, not so bad at all.

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fluffypony: "Porn has never looked so good!" - Naphex with his new PC << "who said you can't mine btc on your pc in 2014 ?!"

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lol

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damned shit. this read logs later and comment deal doesnt work because instead of being beaten by like .5 seconds

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im beaten by like six hours

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steven-__: and they are just pushing him out now that his team is good << intel told me the same thing. "stfu with sterling, you're embarassing yourself. he's been an idiot worse than steinbrenner, nobody cared because the team used to suck."

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!up sl01

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Voicing sl01 for 30 minutes.

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fluffypony: pankkake when are we starting a business? we can call it "the Dropbox of water" << call it the dropbox of beer. you can go arounbd other people's tables and offer to store it for them.

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lol

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in my belly

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and speaking of nonsensical us stuiff that's really just inherited from europe, does this melody sound familiar to anyone ?

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http://www.youtube.com/embed/zikcHnimsxk

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Die Wacht am Rhein - YouTube

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uh wrong one

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=784KEIiga40

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Heil Dir Im Siegerkranz ( Deutsche Kaiserhymne ) - YouTube

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there.

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mircea_popescu: ykr, not bad at all :D

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HeySteve

hello

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hey

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!up Lee-

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Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes.

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!up steven-__

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Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.

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off to town, back later

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!up ericmuyser

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Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07633809 = 1.1451 BTC [+] {3}

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.d

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8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1022 blocks | Estimated Change: 5.1830% in 6d 17h 29m 22s

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HeySteve

if you follow altcoins, this site rates them by market, repository and social media activity, may be useful data: http://www.coingecko.com/

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00085299 = 17.5716 BTC [-]

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I haven't had more than a few sips of whiskey over the course of the last few months, not because I wanted to stop drinking, but because it just didn't occur to me that I had stopped

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HeySteve

Wi' tipenny, we fear nae evil; Wi' usquebae, we'll face the devil!

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http://cryptome.org/2014/05/bitcoin-suicide.pdf

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 274 @ 0.07088025 = 19.4212 BTC [-] {38}

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http://pdfnomo.re/bitcoin-suicide/

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for those that don't want PDF fuckery

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nice

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.072 = 0.432 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

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HeySteve: fix your junk

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re: http://cryptome.org/2014/05/bitcoin-suicide.pdf - spectacularly terrible paper

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recommended to everyone, for 'entomological' study.

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^ agreed.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00085486 = 14.1907 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00447161 = 0.1789 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.033 = 0.132 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0316021 = 0.316 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.03382226 = 0.8794 BTC [+] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.03424999 = 0.822 BTC [+] {9}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03154036 = 0.2208 BTC [-] {4}

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kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597647.0;topicseen <<< the forums realises why two cans and a string

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stop with the slander

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retards talking about retards who did this retard thing but retards now have a retarded fix

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7966 @ 0.00085537 = 6.8139 BTC [+]

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so basically Bitstamp creators watched Office Space?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11134 @ 0.00085299 = 9.4972 BTC [-]

10:00

i had a picture where they charged me 0.01 to give me 0.

10:01

kakobrekla: infinite fees

10:01

actually, they charged me 0.01 to take 1 satoshi from me

10:01

that was the case.

10:01

noyce

10:02

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bitstamp-scam-accusation-fixed-with-friendly-resolution.134066/page-2#post-2257684

10:02

Bitstamp Scam Accusation (FIXED WITH FRIENDLY RESOLUTION) | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk

10:03

>kakobrekla, Jun 5, 2013

10:03

they are a year behind?

10:05

that's a progress

10:06

davout but you know its only cents!!

10:06

:\

10:08

"Nothing wrong with rounding but charging a fee on every chunk is a plain old SCAM." <<< that guy has it exactly backwards

10:09

the forum is backwards

10:09

rotate your screen 180

10:09

so the lcd panel is turned towards the wall

10:09

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/03PNZ2E.txt)

10:09

!bash 3

10:10

LOL

10:21

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 67 @ 0.00324974 = 0.2177 BTC [+] {2}

10:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00085636 = 8.1354 BTC [+]

10:27

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/6/nsa-chief-google.html

10:27

Exclusive: Emails reveal close Google relationship with NSA | Al Jazeera America

10:30

"We claim that these built-in properties are not as brilliant as they are sometimes claimed."

10:30

how is this a fucking claim.

10:31

did they stop sending kids to school altogether in the english space ?

10:32

'people will rent cloud for five minutes and double-spend.'

10:33

lol.

10:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0752 = 0.5264 BTC [+]

10:33

as if infinite cpu just sat there, on the shelf, its price entirely unaffected by this hypothetical.

10:33

the funny thing about that paper is, of course, that altcoin is being used currently exactly as experimental proof that his theory is nonsense.

10:33

%diff

10:33

atcbot

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 140491.07 in 1544 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.15

10:34

there, 70% drop, go doublespend or w/e, show me how altcoin dies because whoa, sudden mandated diff changes.

10:34

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.0008621 = 0.1724 BTC [-]

10:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.45500002 = 1.82 BTC [+]

10:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07528666 = 0.4517 BTC [+] {2}

10:36

altcoins received plenty of successful double spending attacks

10:36

pankkake his "claim" is his claim.

10:36

there is the little detail that a (detectable) double-spend more or less buries a coin

10:36

cpu coins are especially vulnerable to cloud mining

10:37

no, altcoiners are morons, don't forget

10:37

but really you don't need a huge pdf to understand that

10:38

let's picture a source of hashing cycles, publicly auctioned. how would it not be subject to the same bidding dynamics as presently existing miners?

10:38

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/putin-passes-law-requiring-38bln-security-payments-from-visa-mastercard/499532.html

10:38

i.e. how would the cost of a double-spend possibly go down ?

10:39

http://pastebin.com/n8T3RXWF

10:39

Subject: This is your daily reminder that you are stupid and should speak less - Pastebin.com

10:39

lol!

10:39

did he actually ask to be let in?

10:42

i don't think so.

10:42

because why would he need to, right, because in the virtual reality he inhabits he is qualified.

10:43

so I guess it's like writing "no girls allowed" in your treehouse

10:43

like you know, whatever fucking shaman in the depths of africa rubbing sticks together "knows" and consequently doesn't need to obtain a license to opine on matters of medicine

10:43

as far as i can see, author is a (self-proclaimed) academic

10:43

pankkake no. it's like writing "fraudulent pracitce of medicine will be prosecuted" on the hopsital

10:43

somewhere in the god forsaken thirld world where this isn't somehow self-obvious.

10:43

all of this inescapably reminds me of james randi's flower pot.

10:43

like you know, kansas, kenya, take your pick.

10:44

'i have psychic powers!' - 'tell me what is under the upturned pot.' 'fuck you i'm dragon.'

10:44

if someone were to find an actual exploit, of whatever kind, in whatever coin, the 'proof of the pudding' would be - 'in the eating.'

10:46

<mircea_popescu> http://pastebin.com/n8T3RXWF <- Did you write that?

10:46

just sent it yes.

10:46

http://devilsadvocate.biz/be-one-of-us/ (also note i added bitbet ad to footer, thanks mike_c!)

10:46

Be One of Us

10:47

ah cool :) improved version is imminent.

10:47

why ty

10:47

in other news: 'the U.S. should consider getting its astronauts to the International Space Station using a trampoline.'

10:48

kinda old news that

10:48

yeah i haven't kept up. no idea if there's a lockheed contract for trampoline yet.

10:48

asciilifeform what flower pot is that btwe ?

10:49

i forget, what the heck does Got Milk? mean on Bitbet anyway?

10:49

well considering what the inexistend fighter jet has cost alreayd, i can only imagine what a shuttle would cost the usg

10:49

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.03300256 = 0.9571 BTC [-] {7}

10:49

you know, "most military expenditure in the world", then russia pisses in your ear whenever it feels like.

10:50

ThickAsThieves two years ago, usagi was doing this complex layered cake of very badly structured "corporations" that kept trading with each other then failing to execute the contracts etc. deprived kept calling him on it. for months, 100s of pages.

10:50

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03300449 = 0.4951 BTC [+] {2}

10:50

eventually usagi had a nervous break down, wroiter this post about how he can't get any sleep because he keeps having to defend "his good name" and he is selling his guitar and w/e to pay off debts

10:50

some years ago, stage magician james randi challenged psychics, soothsayers, esp artists, etc. to tell him what lies under an overturned pot in his basement.

10:50

and "we" need to stop because this can't be everything is a scam milk is a scam kjfdshgkshdkgjsfd

10:50

so we just took the "milk is a scam" thing.

10:51

hrm

10:51

maybe time to grow out of it?

10:51

grow out of it ?

10:51

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03299998 = 0.264 BTC [-]

10:51

i'll rephrase

10:51

it' sstupid

10:51

yes, that's what brands are : stupid to the clueless. like say the word "brand"

10:51

say it 500 times fast, check out how stupid it seems.

10:52

does it make sense to have an escrow service provider sign a contract? or is this not necessary since he's the trusted 3rd party anyway (i think he should sign a contract, but he insists otherwise)

10:52

danielpbarron who's the guy and why's he refusing to sign a contract ?

10:52

well, not refusing, but strongly disagreeing

10:52

but you just clued me

10:52

Michail1

10:52

the rules are that contracts are mandatory if either party desires, but may be waived as unnecessary if both parties wish to

10:52

and effect hasnt changed

10:53

ThickAsThieves what's so stupid about it ? it's sort-of like Ford having "Got Black?" on its corporate website.

10:53

mircea_popescu: what the inexistend fighter jet has cost << what would it have cost ussr to build a flat screen tv ?

10:53

because, of course, "customers can have a car any color they want"

10:53

asciilifeform afore or after the chinese took over the us ?

10:53

recall an incident i described some months ago, of getting ordinary circuit boards baked at a u.s. plant.

10:54

they cost considerably more than their weight in platinum.

10:54

ThickAsThieves: eventually there will be a yahoo answers entry about "why does bitbet say 'got milk'" and it will be ok :)

10:54

this kind of thing permeates everything.

10:54

at first glance, it's confusing and distracting. then upon learning, it's just an inside joke mocking some nobody

10:54

"Its an ugly thing, watching all these kids shoot from the hip." << ThickAsThieves haha actually i kinda enjoy it for the comedy value

10:54

mike_c lol

10:54

but mp i'm sensitive!

10:54

ThickAsThieves yeah, i see it more that way. it's a little nook, something to discover, some way to be "in".

10:55

nobody cares about usagi, but some people - such as for instance I - care about the fact that we were doing insider jokes in 2011.

10:55

or - for that matter - the recent discussion about what it costs to house a google worker, and why

10:56

myeah.

10:56

i guess it at least goes to your word promising to blacklist people

10:56

i look forward to the realization of blacklisting methods for Wired and such

10:57

like next time WiredHerp comes here to ask questions and all he gets is a link to them being banned ? and an invitation to get his editor to fire the offending party and publish a retraction cum apology ?

10:57

doesn't seem hard to do.

10:58

i just can't resist thinking "wtf does it say 'got milk' on this header, but doesnt even say 'bitcoin'?!"

10:58

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1726 @ 0.00013776 = 0.2378 BTC [-] {6}

10:58

why would it say "bitcoin" ?

10:58

not like i own the trademark.

10:58

i mena i guess it's all in the name

10:59

for teh SEOz

10:59

but there're usually bets with Bitcoin in them

10:59

i got affiliates, supposedly. let them do the seoz.

10:59

i guess i should add alt text to the ad on my site

11:00

as is customary with the free market, the more you work the more you get :D

11:00

Add another layer of abstraction to the inside joke by changing "Got Milk?" to "Milk Life"

11:00

Or, you know, don't.

11:01

eh, changing designs. what is this, the web ?

11:01

*

asciilifeform thinks back to the discussion of which animals to milk, held at mp's meetup.

11:01

lol you'll have to refresh me

11:02

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07011902 = 2.8048 BTC [-] {6}

11:02

where vegetarian (TaT?) - 'animals didn't ask to be milked' - me: 'then let's milk the ones which we can ask'

11:02

it probly involved - is breadt milk vegan?

11:03

aha yes

11:03

breast*

11:03

"You see, other than by chance, it is impossible to properly communicate and convince an audience of your position when you are deluded from where you stand in the first place." <<< you just summarized us dating.

11:03

oh lol

11:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.069605 = 4.1763 BTC [-] {5}

11:04

obviously, lactating animals are all desperate to be milked.

11:04

mastitis = death otherwise.

11:04

try not milking a cow for a day see what it does.

11:04

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0694 = 1.5268 BTC [-]

11:04

well try not milking a cow for 9mos too plz

11:04

cow's a bit of a pathological case. but sure.

11:05

asciilifeform afaik labrats with dead litters get it too, and die.

11:05

the common house cat idem

11:06

https://twitter.com/NATOSource/status/463373724960301056/photo/1 <<canadians and romanians getting together outside irc. a thing of beauty

11:06

Twitter / NATOSource: Photo: Six CF-18 Hornets flying ...

11:06

ThickAsThieves the editing dept sez : "deluded AS TO where you stand"

11:07

thx

11:07

i meant it as deluded (away) from

11:08

not - from where you stand

11:08

but this clears that up

11:08

apparently that structure always takes "as to".

11:09

concerned as to her well being, convinced as to the dangers etc

11:09

"Its a bit like a man grunting at a woman hes attracted to. Theres no context, no clarity, no purpose, no potency, no efficacy. No finesse. No nuance. Marketing is an art, not some fucking blunt object for which to clobber your every desire. "

11:09

dude i like this guy's writing.

11:10

well ty, i'm still trying to not sound like a 10th grader

11:10

that's pretty much it. reddit is an apeman looking for a club to clobber things

11:10

the greed point is spot on too

11:11

anyway, sponsorships may work. it's just... they require some elements, such as lordship, that are absent for reddit's case.

11:11

the canonical case of sponsorship is art, of course.

11:11

well any of the methods may work by chance or to some degree

11:11

but they are so backwards about it

11:11

myeaj

11:11

they see dogecoin on tv and get jealous

11:12

ThickAsThieves: then they'll move to doge

11:12

well, the welfare mass is trying to implement what it thinks high falootin' politix is, which ends up trying to re-implement the nonsense of their socialist masters,

11:12

which are always exactly backwards.

11:12

are you the worst fucking nightmare of the proletariat ? claim you're the saviour of proletariat.

11:12

indeed, that's something that drives me crazy

11:13

alinsky-goebbels 101

11:13

seeing rednecks fight for things opposed to their own position

11:14

anyway, not only they shouldn't , but they couldn't hire a professional that knows better.

11:14

god help the professional hired by a crowd.

11:14

might as well answer "witches wanted" ads in 1700s salem

11:15

maybe, but the attempt would likely manifest into organization

11:15

only lords may hire professionals, as far as the professionals know their own best interest.

11:15

there's no such thing as "manifesting into organisation" tho

11:15

there's always some guy in charge of collecting the crowd's money

11:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00085271 = 8.186 BTC [-] {2}

11:15

that guy gets a rep

11:16

maybe learns a thing or two

11:16

gets ripped off by a fre "professionals"

11:16

if he sticks around then maybe it works out

11:16

few*

11:17

every one is gonna scalp their share though

11:18

mebbe

11:18

i agree that it's a silly endeavor though

11:20

it's also interesting to point out that the only organization purported to promote bitcoin, does no outreach other than public speaking

11:20

you cant even fucking learn about Bitcoin on their website

11:21

anyway, i disagree with the theory the motivator is greed.

11:21

you agreed 5mini ago!

11:21

it seems clear it's either mimetism or brownian motion,

11:21

which are the same thing, depending on whether you think othyer people are agents or objects.

11:21

maybe it's all of that

11:21

greed can apply to things other than money - fame/power etc

11:21

i mean greed is certainly there

11:22

it's like how people wanted the next asicminer

11:22

what they wanted was to be there for the bubble

11:22

maybe it's not greed i dunno

11:22

but it's tightly wound to it

11:22

sure.

11:22

but more in the sense of the will to live, and the quest for survival.

11:23

they're greedy like bacteriums.

11:23

i dunno man, you really think their will to surive is that strong?

11:23

or that active?

11:24

redditers: will to live, asseters: will to power

11:24

bitbet affiliation sucks, i have tried a bit

11:24

i dont like calling them redditers cuz it feels like an insult to editors

11:25

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03350559 = 0.3351 BTC [+]

11:25

seems it applies on only the bet that is linked with ?ref= parameter

11:25

as soon as they start to click around, it gets forgotten

11:25

redditards, reddites, reddheads...

11:25

so ref to home page is pointless?

11:25

:(

11:25

i wanna OWN my affiliations

11:25

for lyf yo

11:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNJeZCZQ96M <<putin on the ritz

11:26

Putin On The Ritz - Andrew Wyeth Neal - YouTube

11:26

not 100% sure but it seemed that way to me

11:26

kakobrekla, care to share the inner workings of affiliate program?

11:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03309463 = 0.3971 BTC [-] {2}

11:28

i see Enky is boycotting Bitstamp

11:30

[MPEX] [S.MG] 2000 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}

11:31

ThickAsThieves> or that active? << yes.

11:32

it makes women push watermelons through their square inch of a vaginal canal. never underestimate the will to live.

11:32

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0318 = 0.1272 BTC [+]

11:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3446 @ 0.00085268 = 2.9383 BTC [-]

11:33

<jurov> as soon as they start to click around, it gets forgotten << no wai ?!

11:33

it's site-wide im pretty sure, and root works too

11:33

kakobrekla ?

11:33

well, i always got some satoshi in few hours following the link was published

11:33

ThickAsThieves you can't own it for lyf lol, you own it for a month

11:34

and nothing ever since.

11:34

*days

11:34

jurov so maybe referral didn't stick ?

11:34

i accept this compromise, thank you for negotiating

11:34

:)

11:34

i don't know why it did not stick

11:35

jurov cause the person made a bet and then forgot about it ?

11:35

jurov: no it works, the cookie expires at session though. that way I got myself fees by mistake

11:35

i meant specifically, the referral, as in, the guy you referred.

11:35

it's anecdotal, why not just test it

11:35

it expires when window is closed?

11:35

no it doesn't.

11:35

when browser is closed

11:36

cookies are so misunderstood

11:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03301945 = 0.3962 BTC [-] {3}

11:36

pankkake even if you purge cookies when you close browser, it should track you by ip afaik

11:36

they're delicious delicacies

11:36

the referal? I doubt it. or I would have gave myself fees forever

11:36

*

ThickAsThieves sharpens picthfork, just in case.

11:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03300675 = 0.3961 BTC [-] {2}

11:37

^ pankkake this. i have did it myself, i got back fees from the bet i linked directly but that was all

11:38

well kakobrekla can weigh in when he wakes up

11:38

or you can watch the cookie

11:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22488 @ 0.00085171 = 19.1533 BTC [-]

11:39

gawd, Pando is really starting to annoy me

11:39

heh now i wonder why i just said myself "prolly it should be so" and not investigated further

11:39

all this "Since our article, the world is a better place. You're welcome." shit

11:40

wut is pando?;o

11:40

why is that jesse draper trying so hard to be "hot" ? she's just some girl.

11:40

Naphex cali based would-be news source.

11:40

http://pando.com/2014/05/05/after-pando-brings-the-facts-to-light-steven-tylers-daughter-ends-quest-to-shut-down-bay-area-band/

11:40

After Pando’s reporting, Steven Tyler’s daughter ends quest to shut down Bay Area band | PandoD

11:41

After Pando shows clear evidence of fraud, Indiegogo responds by… deleting anti-fraud guarantee

11:42

a "gogo" in French is a fool

11:42

heh

11:42

pankkake ever seen bebes a gogo ?

11:42

"What I love about Pando is how quickly it's exposing itself to be ego-stroking spin machine for its investors and their interests." ~ me

11:42

this is odd. the ref cookie seems to last for an hour..

11:43

http://i.imgur.com/kUY9nJk.png

11:43

also, why not call liv tyler liv tyler ? not like she's not in the idbm etc

11:43

it's not liv

11:43

ah

11:43

feel free to steal my bitbet session now too :)

11:43

no. oh, another louis de funès, lol

11:43

;)

11:44

<ThickAsThieves> gawd, Pando is really starting to annoy me << they were cool at some point.

11:44

then pmarca happened.

11:44

how is it i find mp's claims to fame palatable, but not theirs?

11:45

substance i guess

11:45

reality bites

11:49

wait i make claims to fame ?

11:49

!up Azelphur

11:49

Voicing Azelphur for 30 minutes.

11:50

well you arent scared to attribute outcomes to your own actions

11:50

o that.

11:51

maybe it's that "pando" is not a person ?

11:51

and that pando has no rep with me

11:51

maybe it's that the shit they claim makes zero difference, to you or anyone else ?

11:51

maybe yeah

11:51

and that too

11:51

omg band name saved!

11:51

thank you prince pando!

11:52

prince pando is actually not a bad name for a flaming cabaret homosexual

11:52

can't help but think of a pedo panda

11:52

http://trilema.com/2011/spamerul-dan-pulic/ << like the guy in that pic

11:52

Spamerul Dan Pulic pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:52

lol at thaty pic

11:53

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.06474168 = 0.7122 BTC [-]

11:53

maybe i'll write a pando hate article and steal all their lovers

11:55

mircea_popescu: have you ever checked out romanian section of bitcointalk?

11:55

i dont think it was ever on the girl's list

11:56

mostly did securities, scam accusations, stuff like that.

11:56

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446503.140 Mining Drama :D

11:57

"Dupa 24 de apeluri 7 emailuri la care am primit mesaj cu autoresponder in sfarshit pot sa respir cumva."

11:58

that reads "after 24 calls and 7 emails i can finally breathe somewhat"

11:58

deepthroat references floatin' in my head...

11:58

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07395199 = 3.6976 BTC [+] {3}

11:58

anyway. sad.

11:59

"Am platit vreo 15mii $ in total si in situatia mea probabil o sa ii recuperez si sa fac profit candva avand in vedere ca nu platesc curent."

11:59

:))

11:59

ah wrong face :(

12:00

yeah. cocksucker's trying to steal electricity, thinks this is "business".

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.67766560 BTC to 8`520 shares, 31428 satoshi per share

12:01

http://blackminer.com/ the miner producer

12:01

Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin & Litecoin Mining Hardware

12:01

from bacau i think

12:01

they don't look that bad

12:02

not enough there to make any sort of call really

12:03

still looks like they sold some

12:03

mircea_popescu: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mpex.co

12:04

!mp http://dpaste.com/3MRP82K/

12:04

Processing.

12:04

Response: error

12:05

davout meanwhile it's back

12:05

yo

12:05

fried server++;

12:06

funny thing is, i got the notification from you about half a second before from tech.

12:07

probably because your tech doesn't have a bot running

12:08

no, more like because they have to use encrypted chan

12:08

heh i got notification too, but was afk

12:08

anyway. seems a bios chip smoked out. this is what redundancy is for, carry on.

12:09

never had that happen

12:09

dem romanian computers

12:10

Naphex i have had so many things happen for mpex that i never had happen before i couldn't begin to tel lyou

12:14

bitcoinpete's reuse address article making some hay on twitter it seems

12:15

mircea_popescu: why not run a varnish cache for fronting mpex?

12:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008517 = 3.0235 BTC [-]

12:20

mircea_popescu: bios !?

12:20

botched flash?

12:20

or, literal magic smoke

12:22

asciilifeform the board just went

12:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00085161 = 19.5019 BTC [-] {2}

12:23

since you said 'bios', i wondered how this conclusion was reached.

12:23

Naphex this wasn't a front problem, the front was fine all through

12:23

i like how Matonis is retweeting an article that says "Take whatever the Core Devs say and do the exact opposite."

12:23

mircea_popescu: yeah i know, was just asking why not, for just html you'd get a lots of plus

12:23

gj bitcoinpete

12:24

Naphex because it's more code, basically.

12:24

asciilifeform just a guess i suspect. the processors weren't hot enough to smoke.

12:25

ThickAsThieves i wonder if matonis actually does get the custom-tailored award thing

12:26

award?

12:26

oh the blockchain awards?

12:26

weren't there some awards ? "best atm" etc

12:27

yeah i think it's kicking off the conference something

12:27

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/

12:27

Jon Matonis - The Monetary Future - Forbes

12:27

he had a job for 1 month writing for forbes

12:27

then bitcoin crashed

12:27

hehe

12:27

iirc he had a forbes blogs for a while

12:27

defo longer than 1 month

12:28

oh

12:28

'loa dmore'

12:28

!up ziggamon

12:28

Voicing ziggamon for 30 minutes.

12:29

i have this feeling none of the people i will want to ask questions will have a Q&A session

12:29

mircea_popescu: you run it on some server before, totally transparent. it will cache most in RAM and deliver, it. it will merge outgoing connections and route them through HTTP 1.1 connections

12:29

and i'll end up chasing them down in the red light district

12:29

save you lots of trouble even from ddosses whatever;p

12:30

Naphex not saying varnish is bad or anything

12:31

ThickAsThieves didnt you say you liked whoresterdam ?

12:31

i do, never tried the whores thoughh

12:31

would be much more productive to run into these guys at a coffee shop

12:32

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0319899 = 0.1599 BTC [+]

12:32

in the end my ideal is asking them in public with a crowd

12:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03199 = 0.2559 BTC [+]

12:33

just to be thorough, would you mind phrasing your question for Vehehe exactly?

12:33

it seems it'd need multiple parts

12:33

you got your own head neh ? you get the idea, ask it until you get an answer

12:34

but generally you want to know whether and when theyll issue financial statements?

12:34

are they a 501c3?

12:34

if so i can have my wife get them

12:34

not whether, but why haven't they.

12:34

what is he hiding

12:34

k

12:35

did he spend the money on booze, like every single other bitcoin foundaton plat member to date ?

12:35

such as karpeles ? such as vleisides ? such as etc ?

12:35

what is his connection to ndrengheta ?

12:35

was he aware bfl is using the bf logo to scam users ? did he agree to be paid to help with this ?

12:35

did all the payment end up in the foundation or did he pocket some ?

12:36

if he didn't pocket any why does he refuse to allow the foundation to publish its books ?

12:36

re: ndrangheta: http://www.malavita.com/diemusik_en.html

12:36

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00433 = 0.433 BTC [-]

12:36

does he think it's ok to be both the treasurer and the exec of a foundation ?

12:36

is this because he wants to prevent the public from discovering how he's been embezziling the donations ?

12:36

etc.

12:36

until he answers, you can keep askin.

12:37

allow the foundation to publish its books << what and undress the nsa payola?

12:37

btw, i reread the logs yesterday

12:37

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.074 = 0.37 BTC [+]

12:37

and when i said "mah job!"

12:37

i totally misunderstood what you were asking bitcoingirl to do

12:37

asciilifeform also a good line :p

12:37

ThickAsThieves hehe i thought so.

12:37

didnt realize it was an mpex promo thing

12:39

dafuck, their donate page is vastly lacking in info

12:39

you don't say.

12:39

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0324999 = 0.65 BTC [+] {3}

12:39

possibly to an illegal degree

12:39

no ?!

12:39

dude what the fuck have i been sayinbg for a year over here already!

12:39

hehe

12:39

they ran off top the uk because the us le was starting to ask questions

12:39

you know the saying,

12:40

you can also ask about that, what's the plan, once the uk starts asking questions they move it to panama ?

12:40

I'll see it when I believe it.

12:43

i emailed legal@bitcoinfoundation.org

12:44

we'll see if i get a Murck-y responde

12:44

response

12:45

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {2}

12:47

https://twitter.com/The1KingDragon/status/463477836213264385

12:47

Twitter / The1KingDragon: The latest @TheCryptoRush: ...

12:47

WHY

12:47

WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING RETARDED

12:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaQNPxDISus

12:48

La Musica Della Mafia-A Casanza (Vittorio) - YouTube

12:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00085181 = 25.4265 BTC [+] {2}

12:48

asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2010/nu-folosi-lucrurile/

12:48

there it is.

12:49

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/05/06/brain-dead-on-the-boardwalk-folks-agree-with-obama-that-not-liking-mexican-food-is-racist-117133?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

12:49

Brain-dead on the boardwalk: Folks ‘agree with Obama’ that not liking Mexican food is racist -

12:57

hey fluffypony "Bella 'sta storia e chi la sente, bella la gente ca la racconta, bella la terra ca nun sâ scorda, bella Michela ca nun s'arrènne."

12:57

so, beautiful the story and whoever hears it, beautiful the people that tell it, beautiful land that won't forget, beautiful michela that won't... yield ?

12:57

or wtf is arrenne

12:58

dialect, I'd have to ask my nonno

12:58

so ask teh nonno.

12:58

phoning him now

12:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46 = 2.3 BTC [+]

13:01

lol plz hold, nonna first has to complain about how she's going blind and my nonno is a lazy ass

13:03

it waited 3 centuries, it'll wait out your cell battery too :D

13:03

michele that won't scar?

13:04

scar ?

13:04

mircea_popescu: did that solder job stay affixed?

13:04

asciilifeform for ~ a year.

13:04

neato

13:04

ThickAsThieves nah, i suspect it's a cognate of arrender

13:04

arrendar*

13:04

looks exactly like those infernal 'dell' power jacks

13:05

i fixed at least 3 as a student, for various folks

13:05

asciilifeform iirc it was a dell.

13:05

Beautiful story to who can hear it, nice the people that tell the story, pretty the earth that doesn't forget it, beautiful Michela that didn't forget it.

13:05

uh

13:05

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 135 @ 0.00088925 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}

13:05

a decade later, i still recognized those 3 thermal vias

13:05

lol

13:07

pain, you know ?

13:07

best way to form memories.

13:10

"the idea of "ten million dollars" really need to start meaning something again."

13:10

lol gawker going nuts. sure it will. 10 mn btc means a scary shitload of alot.

13:11

when do we ask for 10m rubles to mean something ?

13:13

10mn rubles mean you've not been drinking enough for a while.

13:14

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

13:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03300179 = 0.33 BTC [+]

13:23

https://i.imgur.com/SOMC0BA.png

13:24

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7819 @ 0.00012213 = 0.9549 BTC [-] {17}

13:26

dat increase sekuriteez

13:28

good morning!

13:29

mike_c: thanks for the bitbet rotator :)

13:30

you're welcome!

13:31

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3607 @ 0.00017829 = 0.6431 BTC [-] {32}

13:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00085126 = 21.622 BTC [-] {2}

13:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46999993 = 1.41 BTC [+] {2}

13:47

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.47 = 1.88 BTC [+]

13:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00085137 = 28.5635 BTC [+] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

14:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2864 @ 0.00085194 = 2.44 BTC [+]

14:06

v2, with linking to the right bet:

14:06

http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/bitbet-afilliate-ad/

14:06

BitBet Affiliate Ad - Btc Alpha

14:08

https://twitter.com/blockchain/status/463736248293941248

14:08

Twitter / blockchain: Is there anything more ...

14:08

"Is there anything more inspirational than a talk about #bitcoin by Andreas Antonopoulos? http://ow.ly/wvuOU @aantonop"

14:08

so you're not even serving your own address a few percent of the time?

14:08

all hail our great overlord Andreas!

14:08

pankkake: just 0.1%. i'm not greedy

14:09

well, you should state so then!

14:09

i kid, i kid.

14:09

ahah

14:09

it's easy to bypass with the image only, anyway

14:09

yeah

14:10

perhaps leave a donation address, as I would definitively donate if it earned me something

14:11

if you make any money (and my script doesn't steal it) you can WoT me :)

14:11

u wot m8

14:12

;;rated mike_c

14:12

You rated user mike_c on Mon May 5 14:54:20 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: small atc transaction + he does great stuff with btcalpha.com.

14:13

fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358820.msg3876565#msg3876565 I'm not sure I was the first though

14:13

lol

14:25

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0734999 = 0.5145 BTC [-]

14:26

;;ident

14:26

Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

14:26

;;rate pankkake "Gives French people a good name."

14:26

Error: 'Gives French people a good name.' is not a valid integer.

14:27

;;rate pankkake 1 "Gives French people a good name."

14:27

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user pankkake has been recorded.

14:34

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 67 @ 0.006023 = 0.4035 BTC [-] {6}

14:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0315111 = 0.1576 BTC [-]

14:40

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0733999 = 0.1468 BTC [-] {2}

14:40

!ticker m s.mpoe

14:40

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00084554 / 0.00085283 / 0.00085994 (728540 shares, 621.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00092644 / 0.00098485 (4953038 shares, 4,588.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00095915 / 0.00101 (19816431 shares, 19,007.06 BTC)

14:42

https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/463711450432020480 << matonis discovers the west indes. or at least the teutons

14:42

Twitter / jonmatonis: On Reusing Bitcoin Addresses ...

14:42

dat matonis

14:43

dat matonis tho, he's actually wanting to build a relationship with #bitcoin-assets?

14:45

thestringpuller: almost seems like it

14:46

don't count him out on timisoara/lower americas next year

14:49

http://www.theatlantic.com/live/events/new-york-ideas/2014/ <<one of these is nic cary. can you spot waldo?

14:49

New York Ideas - AtlanticLIVE - The Atlantic

14:50

pankkake, you wrote "Private keys have only one address" on bitcoinpete's article

14:50

are you going to nitpick? :)

14:50

are you really sure you want to claim that ?

14:51

it's not nitpicking if it's outright wrong right ? :)

14:51

lol

14:51

WWE RAW, Bitcoin Assets Smackdown edition

14:51

besides the various forms of writing an address, I guess there are RIPEMD-160 collisions?

14:51

obviously

14:52

;;later tell BingoBoingo http://thedoghousediaries.com/comics/uncategorized/2014-05-05-cc318e9.png

14:52

The operation succeeded.

14:52

fluffypony: That actually gets said a lot by fans of the same team.

14:53

just not of opposing teams

14:53

the most entertaining part of sports is supporters

14:54

bitcoinpete: i like tho how people are following trilema-esque articles now in relation to bitcoin with the big push from your blog

14:54

originally mircea_popescu said when dealing with the press: "don't, they are too stupid to live" or something thereof

14:55

someone has to bridge the gap between the intelligencia and the drooling masses

14:55

it won't happen overnight

14:56

and i don't mind dealing with the press

14:57

that gap is unbridgeable. ask hanbot.

14:57

more blogs like thickasthieves and further helping to broaden our network

14:58

giving support to what was otherwise a lone voice in the wilderness

14:58

hum i see cryptorush was discussed this morning

14:58

haven't these guys given up already ?

14:58

mike_c the gap for all is unbridgeable, but there are some caught in the thorns that can be freed

14:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2507 @ 0.00085321 = 2.139 BTC [+]

14:59

As evidenced by the slowly growing population of this channel?

14:59

;;later tell thickasthieves don't worry bro, Reddit's got this, Bitcoin is going to sponsor a UFC fighter: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24uq2q/how_serious_are_you_about_sponsoring_a_ufc/

14:59

The operation succeeded.

15:00

Apocalyptic: no

15:00

a noble goal, good luck with it :) certainly a task i don't envy.

15:00

fluffypony:WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING RETARDED // cause they think they can build an exchange

15:00

whereas they don't have a single clue

15:00

Apocalyptic: but don't worry, despite being gutted and having a scam-IPO to rebuild they're going to use MongoDB because it solves everything!

15:00

it's WEB SCALE!

15:00

at this point the only thing that comes to mind is : "i don't even..."

15:01

scale wat

15:01

3 visits/s

15:01

MUST SCALE

15:01

mongodb is also decentralized

15:01

so it solves everything. twice.

15:01

pankkake: exactly

15:01

who needs 1 trade to be confirmed

15:01

when you can have 3 different trades confirmed at the same time

15:01

"King Dragon @The1KingDragon Security Professional, CEO CryptoRush"

15:01

it's like a triple spend

15:01

artifexd: yes, exactly

15:02

these are some epic credentials

15:02

innovative features like negative balances!

15:02

mike_c: noble goals or nothing

15:03

.d

15:03

8.001 billion | Next Diff in 956 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.4079% in 6d 3h 29m 55s

15:03

pankkake: eventual consistency, within 3 weeks!

15:07

bitcoinpete: What do you think will be the "premiere" archive of information? I imagine all the good info in BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves Trilema your's and other blogs will eventually be archived into the "Manual for the Bitcoin n00b"

15:08

there is the wiki

15:08

thestringpuller: this is something we've discussed before i believe… and there's no one clear answer.

15:08

the wiki is one

15:09

ultimately, there's no replacement for reading the logs and the blogs

15:09

I guess you end up reading old, important artists with all the links

15:09

articles*

15:09

eventually, i see fewer people walking into bitcoin (and assets) like they own the place

15:09

meaning that those entering the space will appreciate how little they know

15:10

this humility comes with a measure of diligence

15:10

and patience

15:10

thestringpuller: That's a good question. I imagine we'll fill the wiki with important points over time, but in the long run it will probably be spread over the blogs. Maybe when it becomes a concern there might be a discussion of some sort of archive-assets for blogs that lose viability to to operator inability to continue them.

15:10

that's interesting bitcoinpete

15:10

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]

15:10

because i had a discussion recently on the "true n00b"

15:10

a n00b that isn't willfully ignorant

15:11

n00bs that are willfully ignorant will fight to defend said ignorance

15:12

thestringpuller: the true n00b is already losing interest in bitcoin, though "cryptocurrency in general" still has their attention

15:12

thus, doge, etc

15:13

ah so the true n00b usually has a short attention span like the kids of the MTV generation @_@

15:15

Well, it is hard to characterize the eventual trajectory of any given true n00b.

15:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 31 @ 0.03349595 = 1.0384 BTC [+] {4}

15:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03151121 = 0.2521 BTC [+]

15:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-]

15:17

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0335 = 0.268 BTC [+] {3}

15:17

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03151113 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {3}

15:17

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {3}

15:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0335 = 0.268 BTC [+] {2}

15:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0315111 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {2}

15:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {2}

15:18

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07249999 = 1.0875 BTC [-]

15:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0335 = 0.268 BTC [+] {2}

15:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03151105 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {2}

15:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {2}

15:20

;;later tell ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=598237.0 IPVO!!

15:20

The operation succeeded.

15:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+] {2}

15:20

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {2}

15:22

pankkake: YOU TOO CAN OWN A PIECE OF THIS WIKI!

15:22

I started typing a reply to them but ya know

15:22

I actually can't bring myself to finish it

15:22

self moderated

15:23

"Our target is to raise 15 BTC", lol

15:23

we should do an IPO for Wikipedia

15:23

on BitcoinBourse

15:23

pankkake is to be chairman imo

15:24

definitely

15:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]

15:25

fluffypony: going to sponsor a UFC fighter << never having known of 'UFC', i assumed that it referred to an 'unmanned flying competition' - i.e. drone dogfight tourney.

15:26

LOL

15:26

which would be indeed interesting

15:26

now that I would sponsor

15:26

'bb' caliber cannons. or, alternatively and more simply, rams.

15:27

;;later tell heysteve i haven't seen your links on crytocoinnews so feel free to pass them along!

15:27

The operation succeeded.

15:29

;;later tell mircea_popescu my nonna phoned me back to say that they were discussing the piece of poetry, and she suggests this alternative: "This is a beautiful story for whoever listens to it, beautiful the people that tell the story, beautiful the land that cannot be forgotten, beautiful Michela she will be"

15:29

The operation succeeded.

15:30

asciilifeform: I imagine the drones having hardening foams and nets, seem more likely to cripple competing aircraft.

15:30

BingoBoingo: only the ones with exposed rotors.

15:31

I could see a sticky hardening foam interfering with the aerodynamics of non-rotor aircraft

15:31

sure.

15:32

I'm thinking of the stuff developed a while back for non-lethal anti personel use

15:32

there is enough 'design space' to make the tourney interesting. e.g. a smaller and more maneuverable craft is harder to blast with the glue gun, etc.

15:34

excess engines will withstand some glue, but draw more power. use imagination.

15:36

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4699999 BTC [-]

15:37

some tricks would probably have to be excluded (e.g. radio jamming)

15:37

I'm a media whore and got interviewed on a podcast: https://soundcloud.com/zerofiat/zero_fiats-vertcoin-update-05-06-2014#t=11:40

15:37

<3

15:37

or, at least, stipulate in the rules that both fighters must share a channel

15:37

(jam opponent, jam self)

15:38

bitcoinpete: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/gordon-geeko <- HeySteve's profile on CCN

15:40

'"We can turn your computer into a brick," U.S. officials told the

15:40

startled executives, according to a participant in the meeting.'

15:40

http://cryptome.org/2014/05/nsa-scares-ceos.pdf

15:40

please do! i need a brick.

15:41

is there a rss feed per author on cryptocoinnews?

15:41

yep! cool

15:41

re: http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/825/ad.png -

15:41

^ this might be a 'badBet.'

15:42

it is possible to trigger earthquake artificially.

15:43

asciilifeform: prolly not a mega one tho

15:43

:D

15:43

it has minimum of 8.0 Mw. that would be impressive if manmade.

15:43

davout: how 'mega' would depend on the tectonics of a particular location.

15:44

can you produce an earthquake for 0.14 BTC?

15:44

asciilifeform: are you implying that a human action could have some influence on the tectonic movements leading to an earthquake?

15:44

davout: sure.

15:44

pankkake: hah found it

15:44

pankkake: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/gordon-geeko/feed

15:44

at least two known methods.

15:45

pankkake: doubtful, the last japenese earthquake cost sthg like 750,000

15:45

cost?! to produce?

15:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24579 @ 0.00085321 = 20.971 BTC [+]

15:45

asciilifeform: enlighten me

15:45

one - nuke

15:45

other - tesla's apparatus

15:46

yeah, thought about that one, might require an extremely massive one tho, or maybe very well positioned

15:47

tesla's apparatus was briefcase-sized. and, according to rumour, the experiment has been replicated since. but, to no one's great surprise, the data in open literature is very scarce.

15:47

"other - tesla's apparatus" <<< how? i would have said the second method involved some sort of sending waves through the earth and manage to use some sort of resonance phenomenon

15:47

that was indeed it.

15:47

oh, guess i was confused about what tesla's apparatus is

15:48

!= tesla coils

15:48

no coils involved

15:48

THEY'RE COOL THO

15:49

mythbusters says no tesla earthquake. http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/about-this-show/earthquake-machine.htm

15:49

mike_c: i would expect the results to depend heavily on the surroundings.

15:49

mike_c: ever do the famous oscilloscope and breaking glass experiment?

15:50

no, you can break glass with an oscilloscope?

15:50

no - with a loudspeaker.

15:50

smack the glass with the oscilliscope?

15:50

similar to what opera singers have done as a party trick

15:50

mike_c: no with a loudspeaker dummy

15:51

my way sounds easier

15:51

but with an automated widget that determines the glass's resonant freq.

15:51

asciilifeform: you go to weird parties

15:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17tqXgvCN0E

15:51

breaking a wine glass using resonance - YouTube

15:52

anyone who played on a swing as a child has experienced a pumped oscillator.

15:53

whoa. that video is cool. that glass is shaking.

15:54

;;google tacoma narrows bridge

15:54

Tacoma Narrows Bridges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridges>; Tacoma Narrows Bridge (1940) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_(1940)>; Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse "Gallopin' Gertie" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw>

15:54

same thing, but accidental - on a larger scale.

15:54

comments on that video are good too :) "Thanks now my crt is broken"

15:55

who rang?

15:55

tesla's hammer is often said to be 'debunked' because, placed in an arbitrary patch of ground, it is unlikely to do much.

15:56

kakobrekla: we were looking for clarification on bitbet affiliate rules.

15:56

which part

15:56

like, is referral cookie good for all bets or just the one you sent them to?

15:56

should be good for 30 days

15:56

irrespective of anything else

15:56

but really

15:56

feel free to look at the code

15:56

(js)

15:56

plus, the ref cookie only seems to be good for an hour.

15:57

whut?

15:57

when I looked at the cookie it said it expired in an hour.

15:57

when did you set it?

15:57

fluffypony: good find!

15:58

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2014#662090

15:58

#bitcoin-assets log

15:58

http://bitbet.us/js/custom.js

15:59

should be 30 days

15:59

but dunno, ill take a look

16:00

um

16:00

JS date time is in milliseconds

16:00

i think you're missing a (* 1000)

16:00

ZOMG.

16:00

*

kakobrekla parted #bitcoin-assets

16:00

Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/0233GRF.txt)

16:00

!bash 4

16:01

to finish the previous story - not everything is a wine glass. but anything that can be induced to behave like one, can be broken in just this way.

16:03

if you can induce oscillations strong enough to stretch the materials past breaking point.

16:03

(which is exactly how 'brissance' works, in explosion)

16:04

reason #1483 why javascript is retarded.

16:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11134 @ 0.00085094 = 9.4744 BTC [-]

16:06

mike_c should be fixed nao

16:07

js made me a scammer :(

16:07

confirmed fixed. cookie expires on June 5 now.

16:08

you got a mention in the sauce.

16:08

nice :)

16:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.0008509 = 17.1031 BTC [-] {2}

16:36

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4699999 BTC [-]

16:46

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/463781829313855488

16:46

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @pro2rat @jonmatonis @bitcoinpete ...

16:46

god help us.

16:46

self-lubricating assholes and uvula orgasms could be a reality inside Maude, why not.

16:51

<pankkake> besides the various forms of writing an address, I guess there are RIPEMD-160 collisions? << a ripemd-160 collision that'd make two diff bitcoin addresses out of one key is kinda improbable even theoretically tho

16:51

yeah so stop nitpicking Apocalyptic

16:51

<fluffypony> ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://thedoghousediaries.com/comics/uncategorized/2014-05-05-cc318e9.png << no actually i said that. sorry.

16:52

mircea_popescu: I seem to recall you mentioning Piketty, but don't recall the context. Was it regarding his book?

16:52

mircea_popescu: yes but you're a rational human being

16:52

who can think

16:52

and reason

16:52

<mike_c> that gap is unbridgeable. ask hanbot. << hanbot teh bridge builder. in full leather regalia and with three whips and twoi lashes in each hand.

16:52

More to the point, is his book worth reading?

16:53

<Apocalyptic> haven't these guys given up already ? << i was kinda surprised myself.

16:54

http://bitbet.us/bet/716/btc-worth-over-5000-before-2015/#b18 << 2:1 srsly ?

16:54

BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015

16:55

Bridges built with Ginger roots.

16:55

<pankkake> so it solves everything. twice. << 8 lines bashed. omfg i spilled. bwahahahaha

16:55

TomServo yes.

16:56

and depends what your interest is. my mention was something to the effect of, "some frenchie took the pseudo-statistics that yielded the golf club pattern in climate pseudo-science and applied it to pseudo-economics"

16:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11171 @ 0.00085254 = 9.5237 BTC [+]

16:58

<Apocalyptic> "King Dragon @The1KingDragon Security Professional, CEO CryptoRush" << FUCK YOU. he's a KING dragon.

16:59

<fluffypony> pankkake: eventual consistency, within 3 weeks! << for all the beating eventual consistency gets, the sad secret elephant in the room is that all business in the history of business for the past 1k years has been of the eventual consistency types. what do you think double entry accounting is.

16:59

business runs on ec.

16:59

thestringpuller yeah ideally the wiki should end up a sort of short story of all the blawgs.

17:00

sure, but a cryptocurrency trading website needs to be able to enact trades in real time in a monolithic fashion

17:00

!up JorgePasada

17:00

Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.

17:00

;;gettrust assbot JorgePasada

17:00

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user JorgePasada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=JorgePasada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=JorgePasada | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 15:07:18 2014

17:00

he can up hisself, fluffypony

17:00

yes, this is true, money changers didn't traditionally run like banks.

17:00

benkay: yes but I want to talk to him

17:00

benkay: Not gonna make the meetup tonight, I'll be down later in the week though

17:01

see you sometime, frere.

17:01

JorgePasada: I see our friends in the Neo&Bee thread don't understand that when you and I say "creditor" we mean "creditor" and not "investor"

17:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330001 = 0.165 BTC [-]

17:01

the mystery lemma of -assets is that no matter in what asshole of the world any one assetteer lives, there's at least one that lives within visiting distance.

17:01

it's almost as if we inhabit a theoretical topological construct rather than irl.

17:03

fluffypony: People throw words around with absolute certainty and complete disregard for actual meaning

17:03

*

fluffypony nods

17:04

and the worst part is they don't even try to question their own understanding and/or more accurately drill down on meaning

17:05

bitcoinpete: eventually, i see fewer people walking into bitcoin (and assets) like they own the place << kinda what i'm trying to get with the trouting various clueless twits a la courtois. "it ain't yo momma's btc, yo! show some respek!"

17:05

did anyone ever ferret out who courtois is/was ?

17:05

JorgePasada well you know, if one can't reach eventual intellectual consistency through logical means, the only method available is not asking questions.

17:06

asciilifeform some random dood aspiring to academia, i had his page somewhere.

17:07

http://www.nicolascourtois.com/

17:07

that paper was a true masterpiece of the 'chicken recipe' where the chicken never turned up.

17:07

Nicolas T. COURTOIS' research in cryptography

17:07

check out the new/bomb bullets.

17:07

mircea_popescu: Is that the Intellectual consistency through ignorance approach?

17:07

GOST !?!

17:07

he has an entire list of derp there. "On Subversive Miner Strategies and Block Withholding Attack in Bitcoin Digital Currency"

17:07

how the hell does one cryptanalyze gost without the s-boxes

17:07

JorgePasada yup. can't be beat.

17:08

(classical period "invincible ignorance")

17:08

asciilifeform yes, i was thinking, o look what cryptologia publishes now.

17:09

i must admit i never looked at one since 2005 or w/e it moved

17:09

didn't miss much.

17:09

but in the 80s i recall it being somewhat of a big deal

17:09

course, 80s cryptology. heh.

17:10

mircea_popescu: The scary part is when they fit data to their ideas/ideals instead of the other way around

17:10

Hard not to though

17:10

*

mircea_popescu puts on his metaphysician hat. JorgePasada nothing that necessarily is could be scary, necessarily

17:10

as far as i can see, this fellow's a genuine, if unimaginative crypto type. and bitcoin is now part of the mandatory 'gentleman's set' of topics such a creature must at least pretend to show an interest in. hence paper.

17:11

asciilifeform exactly.

17:11

:-) Too meta for today, I'm in getting shit done mode before this Amsterdam trip.

17:11

and the way he goers about it makes one fucking petrified of these folks' general competence and ability as displayed at the daily business of their chosen field.

17:11

this is a sadder discovery than i expected - (expected a green grad student or somesuch)

17:12

it's as if you were a woman, and visited gynecologists monthly, until one day when you discovered they decided football was part of gynecology, and then kept running into one another on the field like drunk sperms.

17:12

at which point you're suddenly afraid to let them use metal objects on your soft bit.

17:12

lol!

17:12

of course i can picture another scenario

17:13

where crypto academics are quietly slipped various turds to print under their names. 'can also have problems.'

17:13

you can, but i'm taking bets against that.

17:13

i'd have bet, on account of the first page or two of the turd smelling of crafted disinfo

17:14

but having ingested the entire rotten egg - no bet.

17:14

no psyop in the world can compile disinfo of the level ignorance & stupidity can.

17:14

see, specialisation refines and improves the quality of one's corectness.

17:14

it does not however help the quality of one's error.

17:14

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1600 @ 0.00015876 = 0.254 BTC [-] {4}

17:15

the best error, like the best entropy, is the result of a different approach than culture.

17:15

It's why Hearn gets suspected of disinfo and this guy is suspected of lazy and ignorant

17:15

bingo.

17:15

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [-] {2}

17:15

hearn's not very good at it.

17:16

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 125 @ 0.0008621 = 0.1078 BTC [-]

17:19

BingoBoingo: I imagine we'll fill the wiki with important points over time << as stan'd say, i can also see another scenario, where the wiki is still where it's now, a decade later.

17:20

Also a possibility

17:20

"DarknetMarkets IPVO"

17:20

holy shit. the ipo of an anon entity ? logic just got knotted into a pretzel and ate itself.

17:21

"so i contributed some equity" "to whom ?" "to someone" "so what do you want ?" "a share of the profit" "of whom ?!" "of someone"

17:22

"well perhaps you should sue ?" "ok." *files suit against "someone"*

17:22

*suit gets rejected for lack of venue, failure to state a claim, failure to file and failure to fail*

17:22

"oh this opressive government and the fucking courts which we can say we live in a tyrannical tyranny!11"

17:23

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 75 @ 0.00565409 = 0.4241 BTC [-] {13}

17:24

asciilifeform: 'bb' caliber cannons. or, alternatively and more simply, rams. << i remember watching a rather interesting "electricity stealing" competition among some flying items a few years ago.

17:24

trying to evolve drone designs

17:25

fluffypony im kinda after the root of that arrenne magical word. i'm pretty sure it's neither to forget nor to be.

17:26

mircea_popescu: unfortunately the grandparents I have that are still alive are very peasant, so I'm not going to get much more out of them

17:26

:-P

17:26

well if they were from calabria...

17:26

they're not huh.

17:26

no, unfortunately not

17:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00085327 = 7.2528 BTC [+]

17:27

but look at the beauty of what is (could be) in a word :

17:27

Sicily (nonna) and Modena (nonno)

17:27

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597213

17:27

Dankcoin

17:27

if it's indeed arrendar, one's to explain how the hell vulgar latin yielded the same thing in south italy and in south spain

17:28

and moreover, why the d is rendered as n in a double n, wtf, this isn't even a documented consonant migration afaik

17:28

i'd have to spend weeks with recordings of ethnology and folklore to listen for the double n construct tho, and i obviously have not the time for it.

17:32

Members Online Now : Atruk, hyperiond, bitkill, jurov, coinminer69er, bertani Total: 68 (members: 6, guests: 57, robots: 5)

17:32

that bitcointa.lk thing isn't really doing that bad.

17:32

No it isn't at all.

17:33

"Join me & meet the old & new in payments (@AmericanExpress, @Visa, & @RippleLabs)"

17:34

it'd seem to me the principal utility of ripple these days is so that banking idiots who wish to spend longer with their head in the sand can pretend like they're not.

17:35

also in the news, Human Rights Watch : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm-xzUvCMAI7FVZ.jpg

17:36

MP : The point of womanhood is for the woman to start a new life, as a new person, once she sexually matures.

17:36

http://www.businessinsider.com/high-school-teacher-on-snapchat-update-2014-5#!JNao7

17:37

mircea_popescu: the best error << see 'precision vs. accuracy', as (perhaps even still?) taught in school

17:37

what? i've not been logged on bitcointa.lk several days

17:37

asciilifeform mhm.

17:37

twitter : "25 hedge fund managers earned more than double every kindergarten teacher combined. But who created more value?" mp : "Definitely no kindergarten "teacher" ever created any value. Just trying to claim the workings of nature for themselves."

17:38

i wonder if i'll end up banned eventually.

17:38

mircea_popescu: I don't think twitter really bans.

17:38

For quite awhile now, kids have had a real anxiety about being separated from their phone, but today it was near panic. I am hoping by tomorrow some of the novelty will have worn off and we can get back to business.

17:38

BingoBoingo didn't they ban that uk fellow recently ?

17:39

;;tslb

17:39

mircea_popescu: I didn't hear anything like that. Could also be dumb UK stuff?

17:39

Time since last block: 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 44 seconds

17:39

%tslb

17:39

atcbot

9 minutes and 25 seconds

17:39

every kindergarten teacher combined << add up the earnings of all of the garbagemen in your country. and to see what value they create, visit a city with 'garbage strike'

17:39

these actually happen in usa

17:39

"Today was the first day in a long time I actually took phones away. I have no idea what all was included in the update, but you would have thought it was crack. They seriously could not keep away from it. I even had one girl crawl under the table with her phone."

17:40

lol crack.

17:40

asciilifeform they happen more in italy.

17:40

to folks with this particular form of brain damage, garbageman should seem like the height of occupational importance pyramid

17:40

but a garbageman does something useful. a kindergarten teacher perhaps, some places. NOT in ussr, and not in ussa tho. most emphatically not.

17:40

in ussr they at least occasionally administered medicinal beatings

17:41

nothing medicinal about beating 3 yos.

17:41

too soon.

17:41

children are born cowardly, if your preschooler can't be controlled by scowling you need to work on your warface.

17:41

3yo should learn to see a (correctly sized) thrashing as something ordinary

17:42

+1 i can stop my son in his tracks with my warface.

17:42

maybe with a newspaper, asciilifeform

17:42

plastic ruler, more traditional

17:42

i mean, i think we know i'm no priss, and so im not speaking from some locus of nonsensical ideology.

17:43

but teh beating of single digit aged ppls is dysfunctional.

17:43

ussr was set up as bone-simple, rather than optimal, apparatus.

17:43

this is true.

17:44

re: drone competition - flying machine enthusiasts are surprisingly tradition-bound

17:44

BingoBoingo iirc he said something or the other about some stadium accident. beautyon has the story.

17:45

Ah

17:45

i've yet to meet one that would take seriously the idea of using a 'spaceball' for control, in place of the nonsensical double mini-joystick (inherited from model cars!)

17:45

that's weird...

17:45

'spaceball' is a beautiful thing. not to be confused with trackball

17:46

it doesn't rotate freely in its pedestal - only twists. along any axis.

17:46

i imagined surely they must have smartphone accelerometer as an interface

17:46

perhaps the dominant one by now

17:46

at least one toy store variant does

17:46

hard to control throttle / accessories that way, though

17:46

anyway, stupid for spaceball to not market itself as "magic wand"

17:46

add a stick to the ball.

17:46

tilted phone is also difficult to return to neutral

17:46

whereas spaceball need only be released

17:47

this is why the ball needs pedestal

17:47

(spaceball is visible in my ancient robo-widget spam - http://www.molboxllc.com/products.html)

17:47

"At that point I took all the phones away and we had a little reminder chat about when it was appropriate to use your phone and when it was not. Also that it was rarely appropriate to hide under the table." chetty check this out : no longer appropriate to hide under desk in the us school system.

17:48

;;google bert the turtle

17:48

Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle Civil Defense Film - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60>; Duck and Cover (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_and_Cover_(film)>; Bert The Turtle (The Duck And Cover Song) - Atomic Platters: <http://www.atomicplatters.com/more.php?id=57_0_1_0_M>

17:48

http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/14/05/05/2012218/richard-stallman-answers-your-questions

17:48

Richard Stallman Answers Your Questions - Slashdot

17:49

what, no more hide from the nukes under your desk???

17:49

the questions and responses were actually interesting

17:49

people laugh at bert the turtle

17:49

because, 'once you see the flash, you've been xrayed'

17:49

but the intent was to avoid being 'hedgehogged' by broken glass, among other things

17:50

sitting under desk - wasn't an entirely dumb idea.

17:50

asciilifeform seems that way to me. you'd want your butt over your head, not your head over your butt

17:50

tho gonads further complicate matters.

17:50

afaik, that was specified

17:51

once you see the flash, gonads are well-done

17:51

i guess the ideal underdesk packing would be butt, head, then torso atop and limbs atop that

17:51

<asciilifeform> once you see the flash, gonads are well-done << this is quite not true, actually.

17:51

clearly depends on distance, etc

17:51

of course.

17:52

anyone own one of those old 'nuke calculator' slide rules?

17:52

moreover, looky here : suppose you are a woman, for some reason. you are born with all your sex cells.

17:52

if you get blasted by ionizing radiatiopn, some will die

17:52

those will never mature

17:52

the remaining tho, will.

17:52

so you'll still be ovulating, esp as a young woman, no matter the dose.

17:52

sure. question is, ovulating what.

17:53

not much of a question.

17:53

sorry to interrupt but this is just too lulzy: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2699338/phps-openssl-sign-generates-different-signature-than-sscryptos-sign

17:53

for the ovule to manage to come out it needs to pass a bunch of checks.

17:54

so hypothesis here - hiroshima mutations are fallout effect, rather than xray?

17:54

this is testable.

17:54

somebody should find the remaining sephardim who were, at one point, 'deloused' in israel with... xray machine

17:54

Oh, Strontium 90

17:55

Cobalt 60

17:55

another demographic - airplane stewardesses

17:55

birth mutants, or no - ?

17:55

asciilifeform to a large degree, it hurts the fetuses, not the kids-to-be-born later

17:56

because fetuses rapidly divide

17:56

checksums, sure.

17:56

amplification of defect

17:56

it further hurts later conceptions because of the inside the womb radiation

17:56

(from say cesium lodged in the woman's basin)

17:56

somewhere there lives an answer to this question. but i've a dump truck to move.

17:56

it's well known that airplane pilots tend to father girls

17:57

this, because cosmic rays kill the weaker male making sperm

17:57

the girls they make, however, are healthy.

17:57

benkay tweeted tat shit. lawl.

17:59

now why would male making sperm tend to be weaker? its an interesting question ..

17:59

because the male chromosome sucks and is larger and derpier

18:00

*

chetty decides to leave it at that

18:00

lol

18:00

mircea_popescu: Y chromosome is actually much small, contains less checksums.

18:01

Alibaba is the fastest-growing Internet company in one of the fastest-growing economies in the world, said Sameet Sinha

18:01

Girls get XX and hence more checksums

18:01

also biggest and oldest etc.

18:01

BingoBoingo i thought the Y was longer by like 15%

18:01

*

mircea_popescu is not a biologist.

18:02

mircea_popescu: I dunno about physical size, but the Y contains much less encoding and information.

18:02

this is true, but i meant size

18:02

AH

18:03

in things such as surviving a dose of xrays, it's counterintuitively your length more than your area that matters at subcellular level

18:04

It also matter that reduncancy is better than the lack thereof. Y is more vulnerable in both aspects.

18:06

!up blueocean

18:06

Voicing blueocean for 30 minutes.

18:06

true.

18:06

thank you mp, that was nice of you

18:07

sure.

18:07

who're you ?

18:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00085496 = 16.3725 BTC [+] {2}

18:07

lol

18:07

i'm a human

18:07

that's a start.

18:08

i just realized i've been using lol too much over the last few years. i apologize

18:08

fluffypony congrats on media whoring. can you offer text summary for the audio patience challenged ?

18:08

18:09

check that out ye people behind the plastic curtain :

18:09

you'll have even slower interwebz.

18:09

mircea_popescu: unfortunately not, was off-the-cuff, but mostly just reiterated stuff I've mentioned in here before and did lots of marketing-droid-speak about The importance Of Adoption (tm)

18:10

aok wd.

18:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06973836 = 1.2553 BTC [+] {3}

18:11

plastic curtain… i like that

18:12

feel free to steal it.

18:12

http://ca.bitcoinfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Newly-elected-board-member-Press-release.pdf <<industry seat back to ballots after two people each got two votes lol

18:12

mircea_popescu: ty

18:14

mike_c: it has minimum of 8.0 Mw. that would be impressive if manmade. << impressive ? if an 8.0 earthquake were man made i doubt we'd still have computers left tobitch about things.

18:15

asciilifeform: tesla's apparatus was briefcase-sized. and, according to rumour, the experiment has been replicated since. but, to no one's great surprise, the data in open literature is very scarce. << thatthing's like the water engine imo.

18:15

https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/463424423241191424 <<banking the undesirables

18:15

Twitter / ErikVoorhees: Spent over 40 minutes on the ...

18:15

kik

18:15

blueocean see, use kik instead of lol.

18:16

lol, bitpay is using cloudflare

18:16

I really need a firefox addon to display a red cloudflare warning…

18:16

mhm.

18:16

all the muricans use cloudflare

18:16

and of course I discover it because… the page isn't responding

18:16

thank you cloudflare!!!

18:16

you mean soundcloud? :)

18:17

This page (https://bitpay.com/merchant-login) is currently offline. However, because the site uses CloudFlare's Always Online™ technology you can continue to surf a snapshot of the site

18:17

keeping the door open is more cost-effective than fisa, etc

18:17

yeah, static copy of login page

18:17

lawl

18:17

how's the api doing ?

18:17

suppose im a merchant that just sold 10k btc worth of fresh salmon, am i fucked nao ?

18:18

I hope it's not on the same servers :D

18:18

I just wanted to know what was the purchase link I created a while back, I don't use the API

18:19

kakobrekla: ZOMG. << OMFG KAKO!!11

18:19

i know :/

18:19

here i sit crushing my and every expert's brain as to why the fucking hell of fuck does bitbet aff not take off

18:19

i have to find out from mike ?!

18:19

maybe its time he takes over bb.

18:20

no, cause that's too much hard work for no cookies

18:21

pankkake, when we had our Bitcoin Black Friday special their API was unavailable

18:21

on the bright side, it was off by just a 1000.

18:21

omg

18:21

millions invested, can't even pay for real DDoS protection or servers

18:21

pankkake aww.

18:22

in george's words, "bear in mind we at least paid to spraypaint a crackwhore!"

18:22

srs bzns

18:22

that was them?

18:22

iirc ? no ?

18:22

the golden horror ?

18:23

https://i.imgur.com/kqrYBFI.jpg doesn't look like it

18:23

they paid for the wall

18:23

uh. so who paid for the girl then ?!

18:24

the risk of paying for walls : you may end up associated with the hobo pissing on them

18:24

triple m…

18:24

like the tape

18:24

with some "ooo" in it

18:24

triple moo ? what ?

18:26

http://triplezeromedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Triple_Zero_Logo_RGB-WHITE-e1390499681195.jpg found it

18:26

triple goatse

18:26

wd

18:27

uh ok. ty!

18:28

so bitpay shared a wall with the guys.

18:28

"bitpay, premier non redundant birtcoin service, powered by triple 000 media" says that wall.

18:28

and 000 shared a girl with a canadian tuxedo

18:29

http://triplezeromedia.com/ << check that out

18:29

specifically, the 1px thin lower border resulting from some real clever monkey in the photo chop seat.

18:29

lol that's an awful website

18:30

i wouldn't hire them to mow my lawn

18:30

would you hire them to mew your lown ?

18:30

yet they spent money on conference promo when they have nothing to show

18:30

pankkake clearly you don't understand the party culture.

18:31

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 76 @ 0.0032632 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}

18:31

people buy the whole bar rounds when they have no good story to tell / no good toast to make all the damned time.

18:31

my lown was borned mewed

18:32

I remember the day I got free drinks thanks to GitHub. Gave the tip to a bunch of people, most of them didn't even know what GitHub was

18:32

i hope you didn't refer to those people as "guys"

18:32

apparently the tab was a few thousands

18:32

or w/e, mecs

18:33

IIRC there was only one girl :(

18:33

what's gals in french again ? can't be you guys go around saying copine or some shit

18:33

the year after, you had to register to be allowed in :D

18:33

meuf, fille, gonzesse

18:33

meuf aok

18:34

btw, am i the only one to remember mlouf, the foot-face thing ?

18:34

meuf would be the more common / younger saying

18:34

http://bdoubliees.com/vaillantpif/series6/zormlouf.htm

18:34

I'm probably too young for it. I haven't read much Pif either

18:35

you were reading communist Pif, I was reading capitalist Picsou

18:35

asciilifeform: anyone own one of those old 'nuke calculator' slide rules? << https://www.fourmilab.ch/bombcalc/ Herr Walker simluates one and describes how to build one on his site

18:35

pankkake nah, i had the complete editions valliant, 1952 to 1970ish, bound in yearly tomes

18:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3885 BTC [-]

18:36

bitcoin agency?

18:37

not in the web of trust?

18:37

bitch please.

18:37

far as i can see there's precisely one agency in the WoT.

18:37

oh i guess you're right, it was some front populaire thing

18:37

benkay what are they supposed to be doing ?

18:37

other than being the first and largest agency, ofcourse.

18:38

Pif was edited by l'Humanité, the communist newspaper (still active). though surpringly there wasn't much propaganda

18:38

agency is a web 3.14 name for a contract development shop.

18:38

pretty sure i own the only contract development shop in the wot, but i'd be thrilled to meet some others.

18:38

benkay well, tell them :D

18:39

"BTC China announced via Twitter today that it has suspended Chinese yuan deposits from the Bank of China"

18:39

what, and help the competition?

18:39

mircea_popescu: if they can't figure out where the money is i don't want to meet them.

18:39

benkay you get to find out if it's the sort of competition you'd be better served working together with.

18:40

unless of course they're the kind of whores that need pimping...

18:40

pankkake : vaillant, French publisher, founded in July 1946 by the Front Patriotique de la Jeunesse (FPJ)

18:40

twasn't published by l'humanite

18:40

asciilifeform: (19-03-2014) as always, when using a technical pidgin like english, everybody loses something. << learning some German taught me how dumb English is: no grammatical cases, no genders, irregular endings, irregular pronunciation

18:40

In the 80's it merged with Éditions J becoming Éditions Vaillant-Miroir Sprint (VMS) (by then i wasn't paying attention anymore)

18:40

decimation you know i just had this dispute with native speaker today ? because she said "tuna" with a plain u like in cartoon

18:41

L'Humanité is Pif. Front Patriotique de la Jeunesse definitively sounds like traditional right

18:41

and i coulnd't make it out because obviously it's tjuna

18:41

otherwise you'd spell it fucking toona

18:41

lol yeah that

18:41

so we went into exploration and discovered that indeed, plain u is ju, otherwise neat u is oo

18:41

except... "not in american english"

18:42

so, there's two fucking levels of pigdinization, and only the 2nd layer actually killed the possibility of expression

18:42

most americans I know pronounce it toona

18:42

the english did have shakespeare

18:42

the US was so overpopulated with Germans 100 years ago that they shaped American English

18:43

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18:43

the other weird thing about US vs UK english is that the UK pronounce foreign words ... in English

18:43

pankkake l'humanite was actually printed by jaures/the pcf

18:44

"Don Jewan" indeed

18:44

admittedly, a distinction very fine.

18:44

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18:44

!up AndrewJackson

18:44

Voicing AndrewJackson for 30 minutes.

18:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.072 = 0.432 BTC [+]

18:45

in other news, AWS claims that their log files are space delimited.

18:46

this is true.

18:46

additionally, some of their fields have spaces in them as well.

18:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11461 @ 0.00085636 = 9.8147 BTC [+]

18:46

is it unreasonable to expect that a delimeter not be used in fields?

18:47

i'm new to this pressed shitboard thing and can never tell if a thing is done incorrectly or if there's a deeper shitboard reason for the derptastic engineering.

18:49

benkay yo yo yo

18:49

what's up fellow

18:49

benkay this design is nonsense, i don't care wtf.

18:49

thestringpuller: you pang?

18:49

why not just use csv, it'a a fuckin standard

18:50

can't tell if 'design' or just derps lifted out of someone else's DC for their 2 years in aws.

18:50

;;google cascadian hacker remote hands

18:51

The Tragedy of Remote Hands - 'Canadian Bitcoins' robbed of 143.94: <http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html>; Cascadian Hacker: <http://cascadianhacker.com/>; Webwallets Will Always Fail - Fr33aid's wallet robbed, Blockchain ...: <http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_webwallets-will-always-fail-fr33aids- (1 more message)

18:52

benkay of course, traditional webserver access logs (the sort awstats processes) are in fact space separated

18:52

but the fields do not cointain spaces

18:52

(urls are encoded, so it'd be %20)

18:53

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UNEkAwY9

18:54

is the notion that because it's in square brackets it'd be fine to include a space?

18:54

or do i need to write a state machine generator generator to identify unix time machines?

18:54

if the field is documented as [to] then i guess

18:55

lol unix time machines

18:55

course why the fuck do they not use the already conventrional ""

18:55

is beyond me.

18:55

[28/Apr/2013:03:01:16 +0000] vs "GET /PlantlustProgAccess?max-keys=1000 HTTP/1.1"

18:55

everyone gotta be speshal

18:55

fuck. everyone. involved.

18:56

coula just went "28/Apr/2013:03:01:16 +0000" and you probably would have never even realised.

18:56

at least the number of fields is consistent. only saving grace.

18:57

naw, imma notice whitespace no matter where it is.

18:57

18:57

i mean give me a fn delimiter and i'm going to delimit on that.

18:57

~>

19:03

motherfucking fuck

19:04

as part of this solar install we werse sold a hybrid water heater

19:04

and soap?

19:04

this is what people say whose washing machine water hose popped early in the unsupervised cycle

19:04

rather than solar, cuz it's better or cheaper or whatever

19:04

well, it'd more noisey than the A/C

19:04

like very loud

19:05

well... it WAS cheaper

19:05

and my garage is a converted recording studio in the making

19:05

...

19:05

Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/0DA9XZP.txt)

19:05

!b 9

19:05

you mean was?

19:05

he means would be

19:05

it requires 700sqft of open air to work, so i also cant box it in to dampen noise

19:05

or should be.

19:05

ThickAsThieves just go with the flow man. add the noise to the beats :D

19:06

make it noise-rap

19:06

it's gotta be better than the shit on tv.

19:06

or whatever you plan on recording

19:06

lmao

19:06

i'm so frustrated by this

19:06

ThickAsThieves what's the noisy part ?

19:07

there's a mega fan, and then this humming mini-keg thing

19:07

is the fan making noise because of mechanics or airflow ?

19:07

both

19:07

what the hell is a hybrid water heater?

19:08

it uses the hot air or some shit

19:08

its a thing that "will and will not heat your water"

19:08

ThickAsThieves: what are you recording

19:08

because heating water isn't dead simple to begin with.

19:08

oh look it has an electric mode

19:08

maybe i can get out of thois only spending $4000 for nothing

19:08

ThickAsThieves Presents: The Lion King Intro (Cover)

19:08

ThickAsThieves if it makes you feel better, my house (and most of europe) is heated by gas fired tankless systems, which actuyally make very little noise.

19:09

well the prior was electric, it only made noise when refilling with water after showers

19:09

benkay some shit us idea that tries to combine the african water heater (big tank painted black) with the european model (burn gas under the pipe, like a reverse fridge)

19:09

this one uses like 30% of the electricity

19:10

ThickAsThieves so basically by making a deal with your helpful government, you can now keep your hot water showers,

19:10

if you liked your hot water showers.

19:10

and it'll only cost an extra 4k.

19:11

the best part is the installer wouldnt even take the replaced one, which works perfectly fine

19:11

here i was thinking i'd be nice and give it to him for free

19:11

lol

19:11

he's like where do you want this

19:11

motherfucker

19:11

ThickAsThieves have him come back, make a hybrid-hybrid system

19:11

where both the old and new are spliced together.

19:12

i guess i need to ride it out and see if it shuts up when it's heated

19:12

and how long that takes

19:12

i bet it doesnt

19:12

i bet the fan even runs on elec mode

19:13

tbh, unless you got some turboprop shit going on here, a properly soundproofed garage shouldn't care anywya.

19:13

it's loud man

19:13

uh

19:13

like i said i cant block it off either

19:13

how loud can it be ? got a db probe ?

19:13

it just stopped!

19:13

i'm a whiney bitch!

19:14

funny, i can't tell whether my heater fan is working from here.

19:14

i dont have a db probe, but have a special mic for measurements in a box somewhere

19:14

no matter, i know from hearing it's too loud to have going with mics hot

19:15

and to mix over

19:15

how the fuck do you want to do a soundproofing job w/o a db probe

19:15

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19:15

it doesnt work like that

19:16

soundproofing isnt what i need

19:16

that would only please neighbors

19:16

huh !?

19:16

i need to control reflections

19:16

sound treatment

19:16

oh

19:16

o boy.

19:16

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19:16

can i bet against this ipo of yours somewhere ?

19:17

haha

19:17

i think you misunderstand what i do

19:17

i dotn record bands n shit

19:17

or need multiple rooms

19:17

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19:17

you just heat water ?

19:17

it's essentially a mixing room with a vocal area

19:18

well yes. that's what studios are these days.

19:18

because who the fuck plays an instrument anymore.

19:18

well i have guitars and amp too

19:18

but that's easy to mic even in sub-optimal room

19:18

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19:19

you mic electric guitars ?!

19:19

not lately but of course

19:19

uh. why ?!

19:19

why not?

19:19

because... they are... electric ?

19:19

lol

19:19

you mic the amp

19:19

you already got their signal, what's the mic going to do ?

19:19

the speakers

19:19

but

19:19

*

mircea_popescu goes over to lie down and die.

19:19

https://imgflip.com/i/8md2f

19:20

because if i just record the line, then i must use digital effects and overdrive etc

19:20

it's not the same

19:20

not bad

19:20

but not the same

19:20

mircea_popescu the speakers color the sound specifically depending on brand model, and guitar players want that .

19:20

cause they are herps.

19:20

yes i use a tube amp

19:21

i also have one tube mic and one tube preamp

19:21

among others

19:22

this thing is great http://www.lachapellaudio.com/model-583s/

19:22

kakobrekla so the amps do not have a jack into which you can plug your speakers or mixing table or anything else ?

19:23

i have a better idea : MIC THE SPEAKERS TWICE

19:23

actuallu

19:23

amps and speakers are usually joined for guitars afaik.

19:23

some guys mic the mix out of the monitors

19:23

mod6 lol

19:23

ThickAsThieves so basically this "industry" is not so unlike bitcoin biznis industry

19:24

aesthetically driven technologies

19:24

somewhat

19:24

;)

19:24

this is partly why i tried (and failed) to get stan interested in designing gear

19:24

he'd probably rape the scene

19:24

just the offense this discussion brings to any serious ee may have him change his mind.

19:25

people have like 1000-post-long threads about digital converter chips

19:25

about noise from cabling

19:25

etc

19:26

they cream over vintage stuff because new shit is all crap

19:26

hell, they cream over plugins that emulate vintage gear

19:26

dem vacuum tubes

19:27

<+ThickAsThieves> hell, they cream over plugins that emulate vintage gear << haha

19:27

ThickAsThieves a lot of that is bullshit, a lot of it isnt.

19:27

you laugh but it's nig money

19:27

big*

19:27

hehe

19:27

nig too though

19:27

hahah

19:27

ive easily got $10k in plugins

19:28

like bitcoin, it's also a vast learning space

19:28

it was the object of my obsession til i found you guys

19:29

and now you are also done with btc finance?

19:29

and til i invented investment banking ;)

19:29

(taken from your blog)

19:29

yes

19:29

i still trade some

19:30

lol

19:30

but moving back to music

19:30

well, let's hope music gets regulated in the us then

19:30

just for my own personal lulzfest.

19:30

lol

19:31

i did a whole floor plan for my space, i'll probly start some blog posts on the efforts after Amsterdam

19:35

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19:35

for asciilifeform: this guy makes a killing selling kits (or assemblies) of a mic preamp that mimics a very popular more expensive one http://www.classicapi.com/catalog/

19:35

ThickAsThieves

19:35

I'm still confuzzled

19:36

it's a recording studio but not for bands?

19:36

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19:36

his "secret sauce" is that he uses his on opamp design

19:36

fluffypony he's probably just trying to record his wife snoring

19:36

lol

19:37

correct fluffy, my recent years were focused on making "rap beats"

19:37

step into my parlour, said the spider to the fly

19:37

and recording local rappers

19:37

ThickAsThieves: that's helluva interesting, way out of my field of knowledge

19:37

this may be still on the table, but I'm currently researching the video game music industry

19:37

ThickAsThieves but basically, any "artist" is just called "a band" in my admittedly living in the past head.

19:38

i did a few songs for a garage game

19:38

but based on some trivial readings I believe the major aim is authenticity - what goes on to the master (digital or otherwise) must be as close to reality as possible, let post-processing be done in playback

19:38

fluffypony there's not really such a thing as "authentic" sound.

19:38

it all depends what youre going for

19:39

sound is air vibration. unless you package the air along with the signal, your digital thing'll be just a construction.

19:39

ThickAsThieves: at least you have proper prng, just hook a mic to that hybrid heater exhaust

19:39

i actually had an idea about that

19:39

lol

19:39

the most recent almbum i was working on,

19:39

mircea_popescu: for real, audiophile stuff is way over my head anyway

19:39

was to have 2 mixes

19:39

one for open air, and one for headphones

19:40

where i would specify the headphones used

19:40

which got me to wondering why we dont see "ipod" mixes

19:40

ThickAsThieves this is a good thing to do, but not for the direct reason. for the marketing meta-reason instead :

19:40

it'll keep the fans endlessly occupied with a fun debate

19:40

right

19:40

which will mean they will never have awkward silences discussing your shit

19:40

which will mean that's all they'll want to talk about.

19:40

win.

19:40

it was very integreated with marketing of the album

19:40

it was called Headphone Music

19:40

hehe

19:41

i'm exploring my next steps via research and planning

19:41

i have more twisty ideas like that about having a music business

19:41

it's pretty much necessary

19:42

to have any hope of profit

19:42

hence having an eye on video games over rap beats

19:42

the market is thriving and exists

19:42

whereas rap producers mostly spend money

19:43

you won't make money from making sound any more than a girl will make money taking selfies.

19:44

well when you start doing soundtracks there is other related work

19:44

sfx, voice recording/acting

19:45

the (imo incredibly cool) voice acting including in present eulora was... a freebie.

19:45

sure, and i intend to offer some freebies initially

19:46

so does everyone else. perpetually.

19:46

see hansen

19:46

yes, but not all companies are interested in free

19:46

and not all freebie offerers stay that way

19:46

nor need to

19:47

i have some thoughts i'm fleshing out to address that as well

19:47

you can argue this with me till either of us get bored. point remains : this isn't a business, it's a hobby.

19:47

you think a audio production company is a unicorn?

19:48

this market is deader than disco, you might as well build a time machine to go back to 1982 to buy buffett's textile business.

19:49

for great victory!

19:49

(please note that i havent necessarily commited to treating this as more than a hobby, that's why i'm exploring it on paper first)

19:49

i havent convinced myself yet either

19:49

sure.

19:49

but as i work i am at leats finding angles

19:50

there's no angle to be found to go around the simple fact that nobody is willing to pay to listen to some music.

19:50

they'd rather expect you to pay them

19:51

i dont disagree, but you also think video game company wouldnt pay to have a dedicate audio artist or team on their project?

19:51

ThickAsThieves: rather sell amps with surreptitiously embedded miners

19:52

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19:52

video game industry is getting to be bigger than movie industry isnt it?

19:53

rift cost 50mn and has yet to make 20.

19:53

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03199598 = 0.32 BTC [+]

19:53

Video games and Movies are big industries in different ways.

19:53

chetty sage pix : http://trilema.com/2014/sage/

19:53

yet rift still paid for its music

19:53

ThickAsThieves surely. and it has great music, too.

19:54

and there is a vast ocean of game types and sizes out there

19:54

none of them willing to pay you a living wage, but all of them happy to have you on board.

19:54

hell i could be the king if iphone app music or some shit

19:55

be wary of lines of work in which there are stars.

19:55

that's the clear proof that the thing is run as a lottery, and most everyone involved pays to participate.

19:55

i dont think that video game music is very starstruck

19:55

they mostly go unappreciated

19:55

you went to iphone kindgom.

19:56

even teh FF series, probablty the most popular soundtracks, i bet less than 10% of buyers could name 1 composer

19:56

ThickAsThieves: You mean Uematsu?

19:56

haha

19:56

dick

19:56

:)

19:57

Well, it's like the one composer for nearly all the games.

19:57

mostly this is in contrast to rap beat production, it is all about the stars

19:57

and i have very little hope of profit in that area

19:58

sorta like how hans zimmer does like 80% of movie soundtracks that are any good.

19:58

ThickAsThieves if i were to wager a guess, rap beats is a crystal ball thing.

19:58

ie, if you suck a major rap artist's cock (the mage) and he deigns to call you his crystal ball,

19:58

then you can make a killing selling to the wananbes

19:58

these days you have to pretty much hand over a finished song that just needs to rap verses

19:58

it's ugly

19:58

exactly how amps and shit are sold to the masses.

19:59

course that can change within five minutes, leaving you without your living.

19:59

^

20:00

meanwhile, zimmer appreciation moment.

20:00

http://www.youtube.com/embed/6ab1l2TwFp8

20:00

True Romance # You're so cool - Hans Zimmer - YouTube

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20:01

incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology

20:01

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0334501 = 0.3345 BTC [-]

20:01

funny that same idea occurred to me recently

20:01

and thjat's just oiff the top of my head

20:01

gon' need some more whores.

20:01

like a daily news

20:01

hans zimmer and lisa gerrard!

20:02

and bear mccreary must be doing 80% of tv series

20:02

benkay funny how bait died. those pics really sucked too

20:02

meanwhile i think my A/C now died

20:02

Klye ever come back with his pictures?

20:03

BingoBoingo nah, i think he may be more than a few tweaks and turns away from an actual workable harem.

20:03

Yeah, strikes me as to young and unpracticed.

20:03

well, he's ambitious which is good, and has stuck around for a while, which is also good.

20:04

Indeed. Seems like he also gave up on mining which is good

20:04

and while i suspect he's not necessarily willing to openly admit as much, he prolly got my point.

20:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7558 @ 0.00085379 = 6.4529 BTC [-] {2}

20:04

It seems so

20:05

.bait

20:05

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m10b5eGXYQ1qgm31io1_500.jpg

20:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7942 @ 0.0008508 = 6.7571 BTC [-] {2}

20:05

prrrrrrty vanilla.

20:06

it's such a weird artefact of times long gone, to see women wearing panties...

20:06

until you've got the girls showing up with other girls you can't really call it a harem.

20:07

;;tslb

20:07

Time since last block: 23 seconds

20:10

https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/463833295717810176

20:10

Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Nobody hires anymore. It's ...

20:11

more serious than you think : hiring is a myth!

20:12

in a few years everyone will just be their own business

20:12

and the the employers will be clients

20:12

all the*

20:12

if this hasn't already happened a few years back

20:16

[MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 6300 @ 0.0109775 = 69.1583 BTC [-]

20:17

!up drew

20:17

Voicing drew for 30 minutes.

20:18

like 11bn diff by june

20:20

<ThickAsThieves> in a few years everyone will just be their own business << why do you think i do what i do?!

20:20

https://twitter.com/_mculp/status/463835160568274945 << check it out, twitter campaign has results.

20:20

Twitter / _mculp: @mircea_popescu @beautyon_ ...

20:20

at least the idiff's are actually in play this quarter. nice to see.

20:21

how's the arb look idiff vs bitbet?

20:22

don't see much on bitbet to short diff for june

20:22

[MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 8500 @ 0.01099853 = 93.4875 BTC [+] {2}

20:22

benkay iirc there was a 14bn on 14th of july

20:23

http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/

20:23

BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day

20:23

14.07, heavy yes

20:23

is there any field-leading work on option/parimutuel parity?

20:23

hey mike_c how about a bot that gives odds and whatnot for bitbet links ?

20:23

benkay not so far.

20:24

that's a good idea

20:24

8:28 btc for the july thing.

20:24

we need more bots in here

20:24

lol

20:24

https://www.fairlay.com/event/category/bitcoin/difficulty/?signup=1250

20:24

what we need is a better ozbot. like, providing a read of bitbet bets, and better baits

20:25

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06967978 = 1.3936 BTC [-] {7}

20:26

What about that Periscope idea that does upskirts and whatever?

20:26

soi the x.idiff expire 18th of june, and trading around 11bn atm

20:26

the bitbet is for 14th july, heavy towards >14bn

20:26

it'd seem people suspect june/july will have major deployments of moar hash

20:26

BingoBoingo maybe so

20:28

.d

20:28

8.001 billion | Next Diff in 916 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.8962% in 5d 20h 36m 10s

20:28

;;calc 8 * 1.07 * 1.15 ^ 2

20:28

Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

20:28

;;calc 8 * 1.07 * 1.15 ** 2

20:28

11.3206

20:29

seems rational actually

20:29

mircea_popescu: Control code is UP! or DOWN!

20:30

who ran ozbot again ? was it scrat ?

20:30

;;seen scrat

20:30

scrat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Scrat> im a fat cock

20:30

<+mircea_popescu> it'd seem people suspect june/july will have major deployments of moar hash /// afaik ASICminer has yet to release the hounds

20:31

!up Jezzz

20:31

Voicing Jezzz for 30 minutes.

20:31

thx

20:31

you gotta be id' with gribble, in assbot's wot to self-voice yourself.

20:31

ozbot is mine

20:31

oh it is ?

20:31

/whois ozbot

20:31

^

20:31

say, how hard would it be to make it look for bet pool on bitbets ?

20:31

!up DrewHorne

20:31

Voicing DrewHorne for 30 minutes.

20:32

;;gettrust assbot Jezzz

20:32

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Jezzz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Jezzz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jezzz | Rated since: Fri Mar 2 23:47:44 2012

20:32

hey guys

20:32

;;rate Jezzz 1 ozbot

20:32

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Jezzz has been recorded.

20:32

there. now you can id with gribble, and then pm assbot !up

20:32

thx

20:32

thickasthieves, how are you

20:32

mircea_popescu: not hard

20:32

DrewHorne: who are you?

20:32

Jezzz so mind doing it ?

20:32

i'd just need to take a look at the bitbets api

20:32

also, where does .bait pull the pix from ?

20:33

have a link handy?

20:33

Jezzz: bitbet provides json with all the bet information. just add ?json to end of bet url.

20:33

yes there's a json one sec

20:33

^ there

20:33

;;rate Jezzz 1 .bait

20:33

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Jezzz has been recorded.

20:34

im coming from the bitcointalk.org investments forum, I have a very solid business plan that I am looking for investment on, and after speaking with ThickAsThieves he said that the best way to go about vetting my idea in the bitcoin space was to bring it here

20:34

DrewHorne ok, shoot.

20:34

mircea_popescu: how do you imagine the bitbet interaction working?

20:34

<mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/

20:34

<ozbot> BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes, 30 btc on no, 55 days left.

20:35

that'd be the bare bones.

20:35

<ozbot> BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes (73%), 30 btc on no (27%), 55 days left (33`212 weight).

20:35

for a whole shebang

20:35

basically my idea involves moreso a fiat investment rather than a bitcoin investment for starters, especially since it is over a 5 year period. I am very much of the opinion however that there are forward thinking and open minded investors of all sorts in the bitcoin space

20:35

i'd rather have the later.

20:35

Couldn't kako also dynamically create the title to be that?

20:36

surely

20:36

you'll have to add up all the bets yourself because kako said so :)

20:36

also, if you've got to provide the entire link, not sure that's a real handy shortcut

20:36

677 is the unique id, Jezzz mircea_popescu

20:36

it should be kako's penance for his affiliate scam

20:36

but if everyone wants it, i'll code it up

20:36

bitbet.us/bet/677

20:36

mircea_popescu wants it, Jezzz

20:36

yes that works

20:36

also some parts of the strategy are confidential, and would only be on the table for discussion after signing a mutual NDA and mutually confirming our identities

20:37

how about .bitbet 677

20:37

or similar

20:37

sounds good!

20:37

!up Ziggy9263

20:37

Voicing Ziggy9263 for 30 minutes.

20:37

Jezzz i wouldn't know wtf the bitbet 677 is off my head

20:37

hm

20:37

i tend to just link a biutbet, then i find myuself having to paste data

20:37

lemme see if there's an easy way to do like a dynamic search

20:37

BUT the investment has a 6000% return, looking for $1,250,000 USD in exchange for 30% equity of a company we will sell for $250,000,000 in 5 years

20:37

Drew if any of the secrets you keep are require dknowledge to vet your plan, then we cant help you

20:37

like .bitbet bastille

20:37

alternatively, kako could indeed change the title.

20:37

or similar

20:37

you already grabbing URLs, should be easy to regex bitbet urls and do something different, no?

20:37

im not sure that'd be useful tbh

20:38

mike_c: yep

20:38

also, if you lead with your hands out, that doesnt help

20:38

<DrewHorne> basically my idea involves moreso a fiat investment rather than a bitcoin investment for starters, << so that's the end of the discussion.

20:38

*

Jezzz shoos DrewHorne to #fiat-assets

20:38

this is true, hence I am in a bit of a paradox here.

20:38

ill check it out jezzz thanks

20:38

paradox isnt the right word

20:38

joking DrewHorne

20:38

the paradox is entirely of your own making.

20:39

you're in the barber shop explaining you want clothes made.

20:39

is that a real freenode lol jezzz

20:39

how is this a paradox ?

20:39

what you are is an opportunist

20:39

<DrewHorne> BUT the investment has a 6000% return, looking for $1,250,000 USD in exchange for 30% equity of a company we will sell for $250,000,000 in 5 years << this should go in my list of "stupid things one should never say"

20:39

you are more excited to share what you want from people, than what you have to offer them

20:40

maybe he watches too much Shark Tank

20:40

I think they lead with the ask

20:40

was i not sharing both equally by simultaneously sharing what I want and how it would benefit them?

20:40

upon consideration, i think jezz has a very valid point. it's not ozbot that should change.

20:40

and i actually don't watch any TV really

20:40

:)

20:41

http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/

20:41

BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day

20:41

it's bitbet. kakobrekla can we make individual bet titles read like "BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes (73%), 30 btc on no (27%), 55 days left (33`212 weight)" instead of just bet title as is now ?

20:41

but I bet ozbot does it before bitbet does :)

20:41

<+mircea_popescu> upon consideration, i think jezz has a very valid point. it's not ozbot that should change.// hey that was my point!

20:41

indeed ThickAsThieves

20:41

i dunno about that hehe. we've had rapid deployment b4

20:41

*

ThickAsThieves gets all crumbles, no cookies

20:42

ThickAsThieves no credit for you!!1 :D

20:42

!jd mpif

20:42

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.01849826 BTC; +0.28271040 BTC (+0.1727%) since last check 22h 56m 7s ago.

20:42

mircea_popescu: i'm almost done, they better hurry :)

20:42

lol kk

20:43

;;calc 1.001727 ** 365

20:43

1.87725633448

20:44

erroneous command issued

20:45

what no do you want me to do it or ?

20:45

now*

20:45

if you are, i'll stop

20:45

ThickAsThieves - so if I were able to discuss ~90% of my business plan here, but it involved fiat currency, would this not be a proper place to vet the plan?

20:45

i am, as in exist, i havent started make the change yet.

20:45

no sense in us both doing it

20:45

kakobrekla you prolly should

20:45

better to have informative titles for all uses

20:46

perfect

20:46

than just a bypass hack in chan bot and nowhere else

20:46

no to perfect!

20:46

*

Jezzz goes back to his other project :)

20:46

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0690709 = 2.0721 BTC [-] {7}

20:46

not*

20:46

Jezzz sorry :)

20:46

fuck

20:46

no worries at all

20:46

not so perfect i meant.

20:46

but yeah, carry on.

20:46

kakobrekla your spelling and keyboarding is perfect

20:46

DrewHorne, either share or dont share, youre worrying about the drapes for a house you dont own yet

20:46

DrewHorne if you want to discuss some business plan, discuss some business plan

20:47

you were discussing a financial plan,

20:47

and one denominated in the wrong symbol.

20:48

actually Jezzz : how about better .bait!

20:48

heh

20:48

use naked in public or something, those retouched soft pronz are painful

20:48

if you have another tumblr source you'd like me to add to the randomization, I can do that

20:48

.bait

20:48

lessee

20:48

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0yqm4Nknw1qgx97jo1_500.jpg

20:48

lol, case in point I guess

20:49

maybe exlude victorias secret porn?

20:49

http://exposed-in-public.tumblr.com/ http://womennakedinpublic.tumblr.com/ http://public-playground.tumblr.com/ http://girlsnakedinpublicplaces.tumblr.com/

20:49

dunno if I have time to build ozbot a porn analyzation engine

20:49

Exposed In Public

20:49

:)

20:50

lol pron anal-yzation engines is where the webmoney is!

20:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00085596 = 3.7662 BTC [+]

20:50

"s.mpoe rises on news of better pronz in -assets"

20:51

yeah, here's your better pronz.. http://37.media.tumblr.com/773582c056499207091b555557c0fb60/tumblr_n1d6a4GD9U1rnzzeqo1_1280.jpg

20:51

"Coinbase announced that it acquired Kippt, a start-up company whose product gives users with a way to store and sort online media."

20:51

19 bn ?

20:51

mike_c: notice that too :P

20:51

mike_c at least she's naked!

20:51

you can't unsee it

20:52

no $ amount mentioned for the deal

20:52

who knew pronz is so difficult.

20:52

ThickAsThieves: acqui-hire

20:52

but the acquired folks are old ycombo buddies of coinbase's

20:52

"a start-up company whose product gives users with a way to grammer"

20:52

grammar has two a's :D

20:52

who the fuck writes coinbase pr copy ? ahmed ?

20:53

no startup ever goes bust in the us. always an acq-hire at the end..

20:54

mike_c they used to, pre bubble.

20:54

yeah, it's a new thing. so retarded.

20:55

graammer

20:55

is it dutch day yet ?

20:55

not retarded at all. better the team you know than the miscellaneous derps from the meetup you don't.

20:55

Jezzz: can you make ozbot automatically correct people's spelling?

20:56

also can you make ozbot fix everyone's ipos ?

20:56

benkay: not retarded to do it, retarded to have these "blah blah company got acquired" nonsense

20:56

when they just hired the team and nobody got any money

20:56

and they immediately shut the project down

20:57

mike_c everyone thinks "it's good pr". somehow the fucking world is upside down. for instance, in a sane market, the shareholders of the acquirer would discount ther share

20:57

but in backwards world, "having spent a lot of money" is a claim to fame,

20:57

preferable to "has deployed capital judiciously"

20:57

because everyone's living handout to handout, and the best way to be loved is to create the appearance of doling out handouts

21:01

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45297945 BTC [+]

21:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44440089 BTC [-]

21:03

so dies another great business plan.

21:04

assbot - business plan killer ?

21:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45297944 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4444 BTC [-]

21:07

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.06836392 = 1.8458 BTC [-] {5}

21:08

!up Drew

21:08

Voicing Drew for 30 minutes.

21:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00433 = 1.0825 BTC [-] {2}

21:08

thanks

21:08

how do you send a private message on here

21:08

first experience with freenode

21:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 152 @ 0.00433 = 0.6582 BTC [-]

21:09

you type in this box, this is private, limited to earth residents

21:09

except the aliens that read the log

21:09

perfect

21:10

i mean as far as if i rejoin and need to get !upped again

21:10

like how do i private message assbot to up me

21:10

that the last step of many steps one must take before one takes the last step

21:11

hm

21:11

ok, well anyways ThickAsThieves here are a few rough points on my business for discussion

21:12

OK - I have successfully thrown a music festival in Atlanta called Lunar Massive. Our plan is to continue the brand in the most optimum direction and develop it into the ideal acquisition target for the below company for the further below reasons. -

21:12

1. There is a media company (SFX entertainment) has stated that they are building a $1 billion empire in the Electronic Dance Music (EDM) space and have already spent $400 million buying different EDM festival related brands all over the world in the last year for anywhere from $15-$100 million.

21:12

/msg assbot yourmsg

21:12

or

21:12

/query assbot to start a conversation

21:12

2. -out of the worlds population of 7 billion, 3.6 billion are under the age of 30, and 2 billion are millennials. -Electronic Music is indisputably the music of choice for the 18-34 year old demographic mentioned above -The “Electronic Music Culture”, as he calls it, is more digitally plugged in and more reliably marketed to in a modern sense than any other genre -The industry is currently very fragmented, and was much mor

21:12

thank you benkay, and thanks for !upping me

21:12

also, you can't up yourself, i don't think.

21:12

;;gettrust assbot Drew

21:12

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Drew: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Drew | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Drew | Rated since: never

21:12

wow

21:12

hop on that handle

21:13

;;gettrust ben

21:13

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user ben: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=ben | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben | Rated since: never

21:13

holy f

21:13

3. -If he was able to unite much of the industry under one brand, he would effectively control the marketing ability to 18-34 year olds with disposable income, an ability worth a tremendous amount of money to corporations that are looking to market their product to this demographic (of which there are a vast amount)

21:13

4. Our strategy is designed to create a brand which will cater to what this man and his company are trying to accomplish, which will value our brand at easily a quarter of a billion dollars. We will do this by having a different approach than any currently existing brand.

21:13

5. The majority of music festivals, including the ones he has purchased, have one large event per year. If they are quality events, they gain a raving loyal following who attends every year and their audience steadily increases. (Electric Forest, Ultra Music Festival, etc)

21:13

6. Our brand will have 8-10 medium/large scale events (~10-15 thousand people, multiple stages, 20+ acts), each with 10 small scale events (500-2500 people, one stage, 2-3 acts) in the surrounding area. Each medium/large scale event will be annually, with the 10 surrounding small events spaced out throughout the year to lead up to each large scale event.

21:14

7. The medium / large scale events will be spaced out around the year in each different location (Atlanta, Dallas, LA, NYC, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Miami, etc) so that the portion of the fanbase we develop into rabid fans can literally follow our brand around the country, like some music fans do.

21:14

8. the effect created by our structure will be to, instead of having one event per year for promotion to be centered around, we have 90-100 events associated with the brand across the country throughout the entire year to build promotion around, using each event as a social media hub and continuing to expand our presence. This will create the most unified EMC related brand that has existed so far, making it the literal perfect

21:14

company*

21:14

literal perfect company?

21:15

town down the rhetoric e-boy.

21:15

dub

I lol that the US learned about "EDM" 30 years later and is liek 'jump on dis new shit'

21:15

So... How do you compete against incumbents like LiveNation et al

21:17

how do you plan to address the e-tard's demonstrated abhorrence of large brands?

21:18

i would say that those 2 questions are very much interrelated

21:19

i would say that livenation is automatically abhorred by the vast majority of not only e-tards but lovers of live music in general

21:19

while they own many venues and are able to throw larger shows and more frequently than most people, they don't directly throw any festivals or 5000+ person events that i am aware of

21:20

they sponsor many festivals but are not in direct ownership of any

21:20

yeah they keep their brand where nobody can see it.

21:20

wise of them

21:20

this sounds like "we;re going to be the grateful dead but ultra corporate and the kids will love it"

21:21

i would correct you though benkay, in that the abhorrence is mostly towards large corporation involvement in live music, not so much the brands themselves

21:21

brands. how even ams brand.

21:22

if your brand = your corporation, i don't see how that's addressing the concern.

21:22

electric daisy carnival is branching out their festival, and even though they recently formed a "creative partnership" with SFX (the corporate devil in their eyes) that is not taking away from their brand following

21:22

burning man has a 'too big' branding problem already.

21:22

anyways.

21:22

sounds like a fiat business.

21:22

zero reason for btc folk to get involved.

21:22

yup

21:23

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2MN42E3.txt)

21:23

!b 3

21:23

unless they were looking to put their eggs in multiple baskets rather than one

21:23

just index the s/p

21:23

call it a day

21:23

second market if gambling's your thing.

21:23

"fartups".

21:24

Drew: we're mostly interested in businesses that cryptocurrencies enable.

21:24

understood

21:24

not much of that in this play.

21:25

I came here at the advice of ThickAsThieves, though I could have been more clear with him about the background of it

21:25

ya well that gets you some amount of politeness.

21:25

not much more.

21:26

I am looking on the bitcointalk.org forum for an investor though, and one thing you may be able to help me with (if you are willing) would be how to more readiliy pitch it to them

21:26

nah

21:26

go outside. meet people in the entertainment biz. raise money, do thing.

21:26

thats ok, politeness isn't something i came looking for. I have a thick skin and would prefer constructive brute criticism to beating around the bush senseless politeness any day

21:26

start small and demonstrate competence.

21:26

business rolls downhill to the heavy objects. be a heavy object.

21:27

but you know

21:27

who are you?

21:27

have you done anything like this before?

21:27

what experience do you have managing dopamine-depleted volunteers and arbitrating rape accusations on the fly?

21:27

we just successfully threw a music festival in atlanta with some pretty star studded acts

21:28

the response was that it was the 3rd best electronic music event held in atlanta to date

21:28

i don't really care

21:28

with the exception of tomorrowworld and counterpoint, 2 multi-day festivals with 100x the budget

21:28

ya anyways

21:28

Honestly Drew you sound like a less floridly psychotic version of Dank on bitcointalk with this plan.

21:28

i'm out y'all

21:29

er wait maybe not

21:29

well i'm glad i come across as less psychotic at least

21:29

We actually have experience though, have accomplished some things already, and are looking to expand

21:29

and actually have a team with 50 years of experience in the market

21:30

i would hope that that would separate me from people such as dank

21:30

these are all claims as what require substantiation.

21:30

best way to substantiate claims about identity is...get in to the wot and get people vouching for you.

21:30

otherwise, dog.

21:31

get into the wot?

21:31

;;gettrust Drew

21:31

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Drew: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Drew | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Drew | Rated since: never

21:31

web of trust

21:31

;;google bitcoin-otc web of trust

21:31

#bitcoin-otc web of trust: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust data: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php>; #bitcoin-otc: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/>

21:31

;;google bitcoin-otc beginners guide

21:31

Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide>; Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc>; bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/>

21:31

not much use if you're running a fiat biz and only care about your fiat connections, though.

21:32

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2743 @ 0.00012872 = 0.3531 BTC [-] {2}

21:32

i can't trust you without it though.

21:32

understood

21:32

i would imagine that there are some btc connections that may decide to become a fiat connection any day though

21:32

i'd imagine that it happens both ways every day actually

21:32

he gets it. hey mikey!

21:33

anything else, Drew ?

21:33

this you Drew? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=537527

21:34

yes duffer

21:34

you've got 4 minutes of voice left, Drew...

21:34

yeah benkay, it seems like the web of trust is where i need to head to

21:34

so what is the easiest way to accquire trust through that? or the most efficient rather

21:34

time.

21:34

repeated demonstrations of competence.

21:35

basically, other humans have to trust you.

21:35

so i will basically have to dig a hole and fill it back in again for the sole sake of demonstrating competence

21:35

nah

21:35

!up Drew

21:35

Voice for Drew extended to 30 minutes.

21:35

what can i do that is productive towards my goal to gain that

21:35

thanks

21:35

depends on your skills

21:36

what you can be trusted to do

21:36

what you've *been* trusted to do

21:36

!up Drew

21:36

Voice for Drew extended to 30 minutes.

21:36

Drew: If you lurk opportunities get offered rather frequently to do things for people.

21:37

such as?

21:37

thing is that you gotta lurk

21:37

and the opportunities are neither guaranteed nor lucrative.

21:37

It really depends. You can scroll up to the conversation about making ozbot better as an example.

21:37

seems like lucrative isnt the point

21:37

precisely.

21:37

trust would be the point

21:38

These things happen nearly every day. Maybe it takes a while for something to fit your skillset.

21:38

mircea_popescu has a standing offer on the table for people to promote the cardano

21:38

'course, there's no cardano yet.

21:38

The point though is to continue demonstrating you aren't an idiot

21:38

also as much as i appreciate the bitcoin space, it is not my expertise

21:38

and also that you execute

21:38

im definitely not an idiot, but a good friend of mine is the bitcoin expert

21:38

and also my referral to this space

21:39

the opportunities in -assets are almost entirely bitcoin exclusive.

21:39

nubbins` by virtue of being here sometimes has landed printing jobs

21:39

various artists have been commissioned via this channel

21:39

but this is a bitcoin centric space.

21:39

Drew: Well the best time to start learning the space was 2010-2011. The next best time to start learning is today.

21:39

Or tomorrow

21:40

i feel that there should be a way to earn trust with this space in other ways than proving bitcoin competency

21:40

is there not/

21:40

death to fiat fueled governments etc etc

21:40

?

21:40

bitcoin competence is a baseline.

21:40

The way to learn though is more reading than doing, at least at first.

21:40

would be interesting to define 'bitcoin competence'

21:40

^^

21:40

(referring to BingoBoingo)

21:40

where would be a good point to start, readingwise

21:40

trilema

21:40

benkay: I think asciilifeform Has a better point

21:41

pff, how about 'how many satoshi in 1 BTC?' i see them get this wrong /constantly/ on twitter, drives me up a tree.

21:41

http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

21:41

yeah, that's a good one.

21:41

if i had 1 satoshi for everytime they got it wrong, i'd have 1 BTC by now.

21:41

e.g. does a fellow who read the bitcoind src, satoshi paper, understood mostly - but then pisses away his stash into chumpatrons, 'competence' ?

21:42

"doesn't bleed coins"?

21:42

or, opposite scenario.

21:42

asciilifeform: I imagine they have half of it. Seaman vs. Able Seaman

21:42

seaman vs. diesel mechanic

21:42

recent grad vs. support engineer

21:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00085629 = 31.0405 BTC [+] {2}

21:43

i suppose a definition is unnecessary - folks who have a poor enough grasp of the mechanics, of both varieties, will soon lose interest in btc and fade away

21:44

so if the bitcoin assets space is definitely almost entirely btc focused, would you say that the bitcointalk space is as well? I have had a couple of responses even on my posts that were almost entirely flame-ridden

21:44

What explains Taaki then?

21:44

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

21:44

Bitcointalk is a wasteland, barren

21:44

do you not think that there are investors in that space that would be interested in fiat investments?

21:44

!t h rent

21:44

[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00609548 / 0.00655500 (98 shares, 0.59735710 BTC), 7D: 0.00532500 / 0.00595003 / 0.00750000 (2975 shares, 17.70133594 BTC), 30D: 0.00532500 / 0.00694584 / 0.00750000 (8321 shares, 57.79633594 BTC)

21:44

idiots ya

21:44

one could argue that 'we' ought to still take an interest in these lost souls, if only to prevent them from ending as fuel, stoking chumpatron

21:44

rent has fleeced a bunch, Drew

21:44

There probably are some. Not many people take anything on Bitcointalk seriously

21:44

(chumpatron exhaust stinks)

21:45

really? i was referred to it as being one of the top 2000 most trafficked sites on the internet

21:45

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0315001 = 0.315 BTC [-]

21:45

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0334501 = 0.3345 BTC [-]

21:45

which is definitely quantity over quality, as is evident

21:45

most investors who want to go long the USD do so with their USD investments.

21:45

Drew: Traffic /= Good

21:45

right

21:45

you would have to be incredibly profitable to roi for investors who buy in BTC if your customers are paying in fiat

21:45

that's the catch.

21:45

being profitable in btc.

21:45

yea duffer definitely

21:45

so let me ask you guys something

21:46

shit gets complicated fast when you touch both positive and negative terminals.

21:46

(i, for those who don't know, ended up here entirely by fortune. invited by mpoepr/hanbot)

21:46

in the next 5 years, what do you see the roi being on bitcoin?

21:46

bloody unknowable.

21:46

-25% to +1500% range

21:46

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1A4GMGD.txt)

21:46

!b 3

21:46

my friend has told me that with a 1% widespread usage, with all the BTC mined they would be 1 million USD apiece?

21:46

something along those lines

21:47

relative to todays USD value

21:47

http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/

21:47

BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment

21:47

Prolly take more than five years for that though

21:47

asciilifeform its also fortunate you arrived :)

21:47

kakobrekla: thank you

21:47

more than 5 years to reach that usage rate? or more than 5 years for all BTC to be mined? or both?

21:47

Drew: might be worth reading mp's essay on how retail ('coffee cup') usage is irrelevant

21:48

Drew what was attendance at this festival ?

21:48

~4,000 people

21:48

mircea_popescu: glad to hear that you still have functioning bees. our bees over here are having problems.

21:49

one day, your country may export... bees.

21:49

asciilifeform or just as well not export thewm

21:50

Drew there seems to be no mention anywhere except on the promoters' fb pages.

21:50

well, they're a renewable resource.

21:51

asciilifeform: In my region we seem to be having a strong rebound year for bees.

21:51

from just a google search or?

21:51

several articles come up just from the google search

21:51

linke me ?

21:52

https://www.google.com/search?q=lunar+massive+atlanta&oq=lunar+massive+atlanta&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l2j0l3.2444j0j9&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

21:52

mircea_popescu: like the water engine imo << wtf is a water engine? old-school water mill?

21:52

with atlanta included (probably necessary)

21:52

asciilifeform romania also has an abundance of free ranged butterflies.

21:52

most industrialised countries do not, lepidopterae being some of the most sensitive to pollution

21:53

we still have butterflies here, mostly migratory (mexico)

21:53

afaik

21:53

*

asciilifeform not lepidopterae expert

21:53

Drew aha so nov 15, North Atlanta Trade Center, $40 a ticket.

21:54

yes, thats the one

21:54

they grew more expensive as the event approached but that was one of the early bird prices

21:54

any published material that includes your name in connection to this ?

21:55

probably not honestly. I organized the entire team that threw it, met and introduced the 2 partners (EDMutual and Decibel), designed the initial business plan and found the investment. My name isnt on any of that though

21:56

there is plenty of published material regarding EDMutual and Decibel though, and through them i can very readily prove my association with this project

21:56

well so you can appreciate our problem. if we were to try and evaluate your claim, we'd have no objective weay to distinguish you from a random guy that bought a ticket.

21:56

this is something you may wish to consider for the next thing you organise.

21:57

for a random guy who bought a ticket, i sure have some ambitious plans for this project ;)

21:57

i see what you mean though

21:57

which brings us to the next step, which is the wot, whose purpose is exactly that.

21:57

Our plan is to continue the brand > you mean "lunar massive" ?

21:58

"in the most optimum direction" unless you're mel, optimum is a superlative for you. it takes no comparative.

21:58

"and develop it into the ideal acquisition target for the below company for the further below reasons" > can you name such a brand that was acquired ? when, by whom, how much ?

21:59

!up RKinder

21:59

Voicing RKinder for 30 minutes.

22:00

RyanKinder

Hello. :)

22:00

hi

22:01

absolutely

22:01

i can name several

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one moment

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http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-internet-middleman/

22:01

Observations of an Internet Middleman | Beyond Bandwidth

22:01

level 3 blowing the omerta.

22:01

mircea_popescu: re: 'millenials' link - wtf is a 'millenial' ?

22:01

asciilifeform chicks of fuck age.

22:02

;;google the story of mel

22:02

The Story of Mel - Catb.org: <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html>; The Story of Mel: <http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html>; The Story of Mel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Mel>

22:02

article seems to suggest that one should not hire them

22:02

Drew: Mel and optimization ^^

22:02

(inadvertently)

22:02

asciilifeform indeed.

22:02

haha

22:03

perhaps, unless one is trained zoologist.

22:04

Mircea whatever happened with Mrs. Boring?

22:04

SFX entertainment (the company whose tastes we are building our brand to cater to) has made the following acquisitions in the last few years

22:04

"Much has been made of peering agreements. Many peering agreements were made between engineers in the early days of the Internet and consisted of not much more than a single page of text if there was anything written down at all. They werent really contracts in the way you might consider a formal legal agreement."

22:04

-Disco Donnie Presents - $50,000,000 - 100% ownership

22:04

this is quite important btw. never forget that the internet exists more as a mpex contract than anything else.

22:05

-Electric Daisy Carnival - $50,000,000 - 50% ownership

22:05

RyanKinder

fluffypony: Just read your post on the vertcoin subreddit. Interesting stuff.

22:05

-ID&T (Tomorrowland / Tomorrowworld) - $100,000,000 - 75% ownership

22:05

-Dayglow - $35,000,000 - 100% ownership

22:05

-Beatport - $52,000,000 - 100% ownership

22:06

-MMG - 16,900,000 - 80% ownership

22:06

-Totem Onelove - $75,000,0000 - 100% ownership

22:06

-i-Motion - $12,000,000 - 70% ownership

22:06

Drew the edc i knew was like the world's largest electronic stuff, but i had no idea some sfx thing had bought it

22:06

you got a link to that ?

22:07

(you mean the ny/orlando/pr etc one right ?)

22:07

seems to be still owned by insomniac

22:07

!up Drew

22:07

Voicing Drew for 30 minutes.

22:08

one moment ill grab the link

22:10

I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with US amateur radio licensing

22:10

whups my apologies that acquisition was by live nation rather than sfx

22:11

but live nation acquired 50% of insomniac for 50,000,000

22:11

insomniac still owns the festival EDC, but live nation actually owns 50% of insomniac now

22:11

more like it.

22:11

the rest of those acquisitions were by SFX entertainment

22:11

you gotta do your homework drew.

22:11

i did my homework mircea, sorry i missed one of the problems

22:12

generally speaking the prospective investor will run into one of these, and just drop the thing silently.

22:12

also generally speaking, this sort of thing we're doing here is paid on retainer, and by the hour.

22:12

but moving on :

22:13

duly noted

22:13

"4. Our strategy is designed to create a brand which will cater to what this man and his company are trying to accomplish, which will value our brand at easily a quarter of a billion dollars."

22:13

and i do appreciate yalls patience and interest in this

22:13

that's laughable. how much are you worth, atm ?

22:14

not anywhere close to that

22:14

so then how do you know it's easily this or that ?

22:15

based on a pattern of purchases and what those companies mean to him through those purchases

22:15

branson can say easily a quarter billion. coming out of you it just sounds ... like a millenial.

22:15

yes yes.

22:15

8-10 medium/large scale events << this is where you show the demographics of the area.

22:15

what about georgia can support 10 medium/large scale events ?

22:15

his first acquisition was disco donnie presents....a brand known for throwing terrible quality events

22:16

10 medium / large scale events nationwide

22:16

wait. so you intend to spend 1 month per area ?

22:16

no

22:16

i mean you, personally.

22:16

each area will serve as its own hotspot

22:16

then how is this supposed to work ? is your team made out of 10 people ?

22:17

our team has 6-8 core members and 5-10 more that are involved to a lesser degree

22:17

(Atlanta, Dallas, LA, NYC, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Miami, etc) < the count is 8, and this stinks of poorly researcher. why denver and not seattle, for instance ?

22:17

why portland and not boston ?

22:18

i listed those cities primarily to illustrate a the way the shows would be spread out

22:18

but you're supposed to do the research. do the demographic work. KNOW why X and not Y.

22:19

to moreso basically describe the general idea

22:19

these aren't the result of throwing darts at a highschool map

22:19

yes, i get the general idea that the us contains a number of cities.

22:19

hardly needs illustration.

22:19

moving on

22:19

"we have 90-100 events associated with the brand across the country throughout the entire year to build promotion around, using each event as a social media hub and continuing to expand our presence. This will create the most unified EMC related brand that has existed so far, making it the literal perfect company"

22:20

do you comprehend the problems of creating brand identity over 100 geographicallyh disparate items ?

22:21

such as?

22:21

o boy.

22:21

if the brand identity was rooted in quality live music of a few main genres, and the acts were tailored by city for maximum effect, what brand identity problems would you be mainly speaking of/

22:22

see, a good chunk of mcdonald's corporate expenditure goes to making sure that mcdonalds hamburgers are the same in atlanta and lincoln

22:22

similarly with coca cola, and all large consumer product brands that use local anything

22:22

so, buying local buns makes things taste...local.

22:22

right

22:22

to have a brand, you have to manage localisation issues.

22:22

neither insulting the locals, nor allowing them to dilute you into nothing

22:23

this is an extremely complex, difficult and resource intensive endeavour.

22:23

you're setting yourself for this task of herding 100 cats, and THIS is why nobody else is doing it.

22:23

but while buying an idaho bun may taste different than a florida bun, a meyer subwoofer rented from idaho would be the same as one rented in florida

22:23

you see, "We will do this by having a different approach than any currently existing brand." is no guarantee of success.

22:24

sometimes there are reasons nobody else is cooking by holding the stove on their head.

22:24

Drew perhaps.

22:24

im still following and agreeing with all of your logic

22:24

but your answers to this problem will have to be much much better than merely not appearing like you ever heard of it.

22:25

but sometimes there is no good reason why no one has figured out how to use a stove yet, if we go back in time to that point

22:25

sure.

22:25

dub nobody likes your dubstep anyways!!1

22:26

you forgot to add 'one' after the 1 there :)

22:26

mircea i really do appreciate you taking your time to speak with me about this

22:27

Panera might be a good case in localization issues to read up on

22:27

Drew what's your formal education ?

22:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00085579 = 10.3551 BTC [-] {2}

22:27

BingoBoingo about half the case studies in us business school are actually this or applications of it, if memory serves.

22:28

panera bread bingo?

22:28

Drew: Yes

22:28

perhaps excusable on the grounds that few higher level thinkers end up in busienss school

22:28

i went to a few years of aerospace engineering at Auburn University

22:28

mircea_popescu: So I've heard. I'm just thinking of a local venture that has run into the localization issue hard as it expanded

22:28

airbnb to this day doesn't realise that it's much more successful in canada than in the us, or why.

22:28

decided rapidly that a field with a glass ceiling of earnings proportional to achievement was not for me

22:29

decided to open my own business

22:29

Drew the problem of not having completed formal education is that you don't end up with a structured thinking process. this is not so bad for people like engineers, who don't really need it quite to the degree, but you're trying to go into business.

22:30

of course, the us college hasn't been giving people thinking tools in 50 years, but anyway.

22:30

^^^

22:30

i would like to think that i ended up with a structured thinking process

22:30

do you not think so/

22:31

casual examination would indicate otherwise, but hey. you're a millenial aren't you ? got plenty of time.

22:31

well i'm glad there is hope for me yet

22:31

you found your way here, that's no small thing

22:31

anyway, so run me through your expense structure. you need 1.25mn (exactly), which is to cover what ?

22:31

BingoBoingo: US amateur radio licensing << there is an exam, multiple choice, concerning basic physics and law (as it pertains to radio in usa). the questions, if i recall, are... published. just like the joke that is u.s. 'citizenship test.'

22:32

asciilifeform you know romanian citizenship requires you to know... official romanian history ?

22:32

mircea_popescu: not surprised.

22:32

which differs in unexpected places from commonly accepted history, of course.

22:32

naturally.

22:32

mircea honestly if you are willing i would love to shoot you over the complete financials to check out

22:33

i understand if you dont, but it would be much more effective than me trying to explain it all

22:33

why do you think that ?

22:33

mircea_popescu: in it, do the dacians build rome?

22:33

why do i think that it would be more effective?

22:33

asciilifeform not quite to the degree, but god help you if you seem to think there's no such thing as "thracians", as distinct from whatever sarmatian cloud

22:33

Drew yes

22:33

lol!

22:34

asciilifeform in the words of romania's first 3rd republic president, "we come from the ducks that come from the trucks"

22:34

because it is spread out over a 5 year period, 20 pages of excel

22:34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0S0HsWPIWk

22:34

Iliescu si engleza - YouTube

22:34

drew if you can't summarize it throw it out.

22:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2538 @ 0.0008544 = 2.1685 BTC [-]

22:36

mircea_popescu: 'don't touch the mustache.' (どういたしまして)

22:36

lol

22:36

Dōitashimashite

22:38

ducks/trucks line wasn't there

22:39

but it isn't hard to see how it could have been.

22:39

uh it must be

22:40

https://medium.com/p/23f9de5dc65e

22:40

!up Drew

22:40

Voicing Drew for 30 minutes.

22:40

BingoBoingo: if you want the license, visit a used book store, buy the question set, memorize, pony up the fee. at no point will you need to use brain.

22:41

AltCoin Alert: Western Union Obtains Alternative Currency Exchange System Patent from USPTO

22:41

asciilifeform dangit it's gone. somehow that clip got edited a little.

22:41

lol

22:41

anyway, the guy explained romanian ethnogenesis in those terms. he meant dacians and thracians, not that that version'd have been any more sensible.

22:42

that part seems obvious

22:42

ThickAsThieves yeah. a good reason for bitcoin to start ignoring patents too.

22:42

how can one use anything resembling a functioning computer without ignoring patents?

22:42

elephant in room.

22:43

obligatory spam:

22:43

http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309

22:43

Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.

22:44

asciilifeform: I suppose that's what I'll have to do.

22:44

asciilifeform you seen the earlier bit about the php/objective-c key mismatch issue ?

22:44

yeah, somehow not surprised

22:45

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.004332 = 0.4332 BTC [+]

22:45

so you know, gotta have some mechanism to force people to not be retarded

22:46

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/your-android-phone-viewed-illegal-porn-to-unlock-it-pay-a-300-fine/

22:46

Your Android phone viewed illegal porn. To unlock it, pay a $300 fine | Ars Technica

22:47

(malware story)

22:48

but sometiems one wonders how much of this malware serves a useful government function.

22:48

'untraceable payment mechanisms such as Paysafecard or uKash.' << spam-paypals still exist!?

22:48

oya

22:48

they change about every 2 years, which consequently is the experimental period of law enforcing

22:49

currently paysafecard is going up and ukash is going out

22:49

wonder if they serve any purpose but... this.

22:49

coupla years ago ukash was just taking over from... i forgot who

22:49

egold ?

22:51

and, who, exactly, keeps anything they cannot afford to lose, on a Pnohe?

22:51

people.

22:52

people keep "everything they have" in reach of the government, and i nreach of a woman they met two weeks ago while drunk, and so on.

22:52

lol

22:52

people are poor, and while the little they own is still all they own, the security they can feasibly deploy is nil

22:53

think of it this way : most women alive today can not afford to enforce the privacy of a room to fuck in.

22:53

so they either do it in the bushes, with the constant risk of a stray dog taking a piss on the couple during,

22:53

or else they put up with whatever nonsensical demands expectations and assorted nonsense someone with a chicken coop available may wish to put forward.

22:55

i suppose 'people' are also innocent of the concept of backup.

22:55

no, just, innocent of the resources to get a spare disk.

22:55

"It is likely that the success of LZW and its thousands of implementations, especially among small developers, caught Unisys unprepared. Otherwise, it would be difficult to understand how Unisys could first allow a very large number of small and big developers to use LZW for years, and then, after the establishment of various standards based on LZW, change its attitude."

22:56

'submarine.'

22:56

yeah, seriously, it is so very difficult to understand. couldn't have even predicted it, either. o.O

22:56

(actual term of art!)

22:57

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.44064002 = 13.2192 BTC [-] {9}

22:57

innocent of the resources to get a spare disk << india? zimbabwe?

22:58

the world over.

22:59

yes, viet cong had to fill bamboo stalks with half-dead batteries to power a radio. but the average shaved ape today is drowning in cheap hardware.

22:59

so ?

22:59

unless it's on obamacare they can't afford it.

22:59

so, missing ingredient is brain (or giving a damn)

23:00

missing ingredient is always brain.

23:00

as a teenager, i was kept in lavish supply hardware-wise just from what nearby (us) office parks dumped.

23:00

this is like having a 40 yo chick come to you for dancing lessons and you telling her "missing ingredient is you being 20". why tyvm, mr expert guy!

23:00

and know quite a few others who feasted likewise.

23:00

but this is exceptional

23:01

sorry, had to grab a shower

23:01

asciilifeform frame the question better : you've not had any decent sleep in a week, you gotta make it in time to work cause else it's your ass.

23:01

the 1.25 million would, in summary, be used for the following over approximately 3 of the 5 years mentioned for the plan

23:02

and if you get fired you'll lose the apt and thus the deposit and thus homeless.

23:02

now tell me about getting spare drives. when ? with what ?

23:02

if you have 20 bux spare you'll get a manicure, maybe you find some guy that's not an asshoel.

23:02

talent buying, venue rentals, sound / lighting equipment, staffing, security, other event related costs

23:03

lol, in wash. dc. you can see... hobos, with smartPnohes.

23:03

much of it on advertising and promotion materials and in general

23:04

in all likelihood we won't need the whole 1.25 million but there is a cushion of about 300,000 built in

23:04

asciilifeform basically it boils down to, your sorting algorithm of evil not matching theirs.

23:04

morning folks

23:04

Drew that was the shittiest summary in recorded history. try again.

23:04

punkman yo.

23:04

i

23:04

'm like pavlov's dog over here punkman, i see your name i expect great links.

23:04

;;google favela chic

23:04

FAVELA CHIC: <http://favelachic.com/>; Favela Chic - République - Paris, France | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/favela-chic-paris>; Favela Chic, Paris - Restaurant Reviews - TripAdvisor: <http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g187147-d779098-Reviews-Favela_Chic-Paris_Ile_de_France.html>

23:04

mircea_popescu: somewhat tangentially, i notice that your illustrative examples of the ragged and starving are always grlz.

23:05

google fails me

23:05

this is sorta like using alley cat as illustration of the biology of felis silverstris

23:05

*silvestris

23:05

asciilifeform well that's my pov. i mostly care about, interact with and experience the world through womenz.

23:05

that made me laugh pretty hard i must say

23:06

lol one second

23:06

life of the feral animal is hard, sure.

23:06

"Favela Chic is when you have lost everything material, everything you built and everything you had, but you’re still wired to the gills! And really big on Facebook. That’s Favela Chic."

23:06

"You lost everything, you have no money, you have no career, you have no health insurance, you’re not even sure where you live, you don’t have children, and you have no steady relationship or any set of dependable friends. And it’s hot. It’s a really cool place to be. "

23:06

obligatory:

23:06

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html

23:06

ClubOrlov: Dead Souls

23:07

punkman favela if memory serves is the precarious squatting living arrangements most south america enjoys

23:07

yeah it is

23:07

flatron tv set in hole in the wall ruin sort of thing

23:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43255 = 0.8651 BTC [-] {2}

23:12

.d

23:12

8.001 billion | Next Diff in 898 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.0148% in 5d 17h 30m 56s

23:15

*

mircea_popescu wonders wtf TheNewDeal is. then has dejavu moment. then remembers it's testing123.

23:15

what's in a name!

23:15

:D

23:15

are you saying testing123 is more memorable?

23:16

;;bc,stats

23:16

23:16

gribble and oz differ by a whole day on diff change

23:16

yet same estimated change

23:16

somebody has a bug.

23:17

"I really would like you to contrast that with what you have to do with HTML on the Internet. " asciilifeform re your article, god help us if we end up executing code off the data

23:17

how in the shithells is this a good idea ?!

23:17

looks like gribble

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bitcoinwisdom is 5.7 days at 11.6 %

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TheNewDeal no im just saying switching nicks is a very expensive operation for everyone else

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mircea_popescu: the same way that jumping out of an airplane can be a good idea.

23:17

with the correct equipment.

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let's have the equipment first

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then i'll consider it

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that was sorta the point of the piece (and the whole fscking site...)

23:18

!up drew

23:18

Voicing drew for 30 minutes.

23:18

;;calc 898 / 6 / 24

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6.23611111111

23:18

yeah, no way 4 days 16 hours

23:18

is nanotube responsible for that?

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gracias

23:18

<mircea_popescu> why portland and not boston ? << generally there is only one reason to locate in portland and that is low-cost 'engineering' talent.

23:19

asciilifeform now as far as programmable gpus go, o boy would computer games love thids

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mircea_popescu: the horror with which nearly every reader (who wrote in) reacted to that piece, is indicative of the true depths of the hole we are in.

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benkay i dunno, that's why the producers hire research depts yo uknow ? not my jobsworth :D

23:19

can i get a linky?

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TheNewDeal to ?

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this ascii piece

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... re god help us if we end up executing code off the data

23:20

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#663880

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#bitcoin-assets log

23:21

"Let the trolls try to collect danegeld from a hundred million consumers!" << this may be dangerous, in that putting too much weight on something "that will hold anything" never works. like you know, 19th century poliution and the ideas of "send fumes in the air, it can take anything" or "water will wash anyhing away"

23:21

maybe with too many incentives stacked up, they'll figure out a way to do it, and that'll be a horror worse than any other.

23:21

dead souls Club Orlov?

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already working on it in the us to a distasteful degree.

23:21

this is called 'heighten the contradictions'

23:21

<Drew> but while buying an idaho bun may taste different than a florida bun, a meyer subwoofer rented from idaho would be the same as one rented in florida << the tastes and social mores differ wildly across the different regions. f'r instance, you'll have a mighty hard time displacing red cube in portland (but again don't ever do anything in this town)

23:21

sorta like the earthquake machine.

23:22

works better from safe distance.

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yes.

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when the glass breaks.

23:22

Cost of Goods Sold Artists463,350 Marketing184,600 Production92,300 Security46,150 Ticket Fee20,470 Venue52,775 Other0 Cost of Goods Sold859,645 Gross Profit (Loss)778,133

23:22

this format doesnt transfer well, that was a test, brb

23:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.44992636 = 7.1988 BTC [+] {6}

23:23

Drew it's fine

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<Drew> i would like to think that i ended up with a structured thinking process << hang out here and you might be so lucky as to have one beaten into you

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can you believe, dear assets, that the ticket mafia gypped him for almost 40% of the rent of the venue ?

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4499555 = 0.8999 BTC [+]

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land of the <del>brave</del> fucktarded.

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srsly, effed.

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yup

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mircea_popescu: works better from safe distance << not everybody gets the luxury of a safe distance. some folks have to make do with, e.g. -

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http://files.radioscanner.ru/uploader/2012/japan_suicide_mine.jpg

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one day i would like to see a bitcoin ticketing platform

23:24

free of ticket fees....

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*tear*

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not so far off.

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i know

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anyway. this actually looks like a sane budget. who made it ?

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looking forward to it

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one of my team members

23:25

ok. so this was for the lunar thing ?

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yessir

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(that 'lance mine.' there's a vietnamese film, of a parade, 1970s, where merry cadets march around with... them. presumably spoils of the old war.)

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20 pages of sane financials like that

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or yes ma'am

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asciilifeform: does the soldier survive? it's not a kamikaze thing is it?

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mike_c: exactly what you expect.

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or whatever, internet anonymity reigns

23:27

in comments to the parade film, people asked, 'why toilet plungers?!'

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<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves yeah. a good reason for bitcoin to start ignoring patents too. << bitcoin cares about patents today?!

23:27

mike_c the soldier *may* survive.

23:27

ok. so the 'suicide' part is that you have to get within a pole's length of the tank :)

23:28

Drew alright. see, now you're sounding a lot less like dank.

23:28

it's a shaped charge. so, your luck depends on the fragments flying, among other things.

23:28

thank you

23:28

penetrate 6 inches of steel, must be quite a charge

23:28

anyway, this is all for me. see you ~guys~ in the morning.

23:28

the gals im seeing tonite.

23:28

mircea

23:29

thanks very much for your input, it was a pleasure meeting you

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e- meeting you at least

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i'll prolly be lurking around here trying to have a structured way of thinking beaten into me eventually

23:30

;;gettrust Drew

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Drew: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Drew | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Drew | Rated since: never

23:30

start there.

23:30

ill start tomorrow

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no sense rushing.

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